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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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I'm your host. Now it's through until eight o'clock tonight.
We talk a bit of tennis and would you believe it,
on the twenty second of January, a bit of rugby.
Can't help ourselves. Oddly though, when the story about Richie
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Muwonga broke producer and he said, well, you know, it's
only like three weeks away the start of Super rap anyway,
so it's not that far ahead of it. So I'll
like wow, fourteenth of BEB Valentine's Day and eleven with
Super Rugby commences crazy, but it's not about Super Rugby.
(01:16):
We speak or they are speaking to someone involved heavily
in Super Rugby. CEO of the Crusaders, Colin Mansbridge joins
us talking about the news that Richie Mwana will not
be returned to the All Blacks under Scott Robertson. Negotiations
have broken down so that three year contract that he
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signed for repeatedly what two million dollars a year. He's
halfway through that and he will remain there and he
will not be coming back. It doesn't matter what kind
of jiggery pokery the ends that are I think they
can put down. It ain't happening. We'll find out about
what they can actually do, why they can do it,
if they would do it. And where does Richie stand?
Shortly with Colin Mansbridge and I caught up with Aaron
(02:01):
Ratliffe earlier today. Can't tell you it's going to be
live because plainyses on court, yeah, to talk about her
Australian Open. She's got two double semi finals coming up,
the mixed which is happening now and the woman's sorry,
the women's doubles, which is happening with her partner Gabby
(02:21):
Dobrowski on Friday, looking ahead to a double double at
the Grand Slam. She joins us around about quarter to
eight tonight, and first we're going to be joined by
Colin Mansbridge. Before we get amongst Colin, let's get a
monkst this sort today. Sport today is said the Australian
(02:42):
Open is edging towards a crescendo. Craig Gabriel summarizes with
the women's semi finals currently.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Sits Madison keys is rallied from a set down to
defeat Eleni's with Elena three six six three six four
to reach the semis for the third time and first
since twenty twenty two. The American is now on a
ten match win streak and she returns to the top ten.
She will face Egish Vantek, who made short work of
Emma Navarro six two. The other semi has Arena Saberlenka
playing Parla Badorsa.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Auckland FC are super keen to claw their way back
to the top of the A League again by beating
up on the current leaders, ADELAIDEFC. That's tonight in South
Australia Black Knights defended. Tommy Smith expects big things from
himself and his teammates.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
These are the games you want to play as a
professional footballer. You know you want to be challenging for
those top spots against the best teams in your division.
So obviously we want to go into every game looking
to win it and this one will be no different.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And Jess Kerr is having quite the super smash season
four Wellington. Today she wallopped forty four then whipped four
wickets to propel her team to fifty nine run win
over Canterbury. She told TV and Z plus just how
cool it is to be part of the flame.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm just really having fun.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
I love playing for Wellington, putting on the jersey and yeah,
it's a great group and to be able to contribute.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
And when going to cricket for Wellington is really special.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And that's today.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Coming up eleven past seven Wednesday, twenty second over January
edge to the All Blacks through Super Rugby. We go
now looking at the non return of Richie Muwanga at
the moment from Tashiba back into the All Blacks to
discuss that kind of Mansbridge and Crusader's chief executive officer
joins us now today may welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Cure to ask how are you mate.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Very very well start of a fresh year. Only what
how far away? We're only a few weeks away from
the start of super season. That's bizarre. It's crept up quick,
isn't it.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
It has a physical head out for our boys on
Friday morning, and then we've got the long run where
we do some work with child Cancer Foundation try to
some money for them, and then we've got the following week,
we've got a pre season in Kerwe with the Blues,
and then Dan and Vicago with the Hoghlanders.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And then she's all going with the Hurricanes on the fourteenth.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
So yeah, it's lovely to see people running around the
field doing some that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's nice and it's nice to see it in the sun.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Think news coming through today is the Richie Muwanga story.
It's a story that won't go away. And now we
find ourselves in the situation where it looks like he's
not going to come back and be selected to be
an All Black, but it's still an ongoing situation. The
negotiation possibly won't stop according to his agent anyway. So
where do we sit right here in your eyes around
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the alibility of the alibility of Richie Murewonga. What has
to happen for him to return to be an All Black?
Can he break his contract? Is there a possibility of
a sabbatical? What do Zealand Rugby want? What are they
trying to do? Can you make head or tail of
this kind?
Speaker 7 (05:46):
It is difficult and I have a great deal of
sympathy for them. You know, you think about Razor and
New Zealand Rugby's job is to get the best possible
team they can possibly get, so they're always going to
be testing the system to see how they can get that.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know, system's done a pretty good job.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
And served the All Blacks and serve New Zealand Rugby
for a long period of time. So you do have
to be a bit careful about, you know, building exceptions
or setting precedents that that undermine that system.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I think that's probably the other side of the coin.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
You know, on the one hand, you want to have
the best available players that you can have at any
point in time, but then in doing something, you don't
want to sort of chop the legs of the system
off and make it less effective than it's been. And
it's fair to say over a long period of time
it's been a significant contributor to the New Zealand rugby
development system, the All Black team. I understand that there
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needs to be some care. The other thing is, you know,
you know, players make some choices and and things change.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But you know that's that's sort of life, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
You know, it's it's hard to rewrite the rewrite contracts
and that after they've been done.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Okay, so he's got a three year contract. It's completely
one very successful year. He's in the middle of year
number two and he's got one more year to go.
If the ends it are were to be a little
flexible on this, in your role as a CEO, you
get this, I hope could he finish his contract into Sheba,
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come back, sign a deal to play in New Zealand,
play with the All Blacks, and part of that deal
means his sabbatical clause pops in, so he can go
straight back to to Sheba again, finish his last year
and come back. Would that work? Is that the kind
of I suppose workings that end and will be looking
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to achieve if they stayed their rules, it will be
that simple.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I think the challenge though, is and it's always difficult
when you're talking about a person or an event in
the context of a strategy. So the more we look
at this, there's always going to be a way for
an individual to deal with an individual vent and I'm
not sure that's particularly helpful because you know, if you
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try to build a strategy around individuals, you're going to
end up in a situation when your strategy is that
complex and that difficult, it's not going to be helpful
for anybody. People aren't going to get clarity on how
they can manage their careers and where they need to go.
So I'm not sure. I'm not sure putting poor or
Richie in the middle of this is helpful for anybody.
I actually think we've got to be really careful about
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systems and unintended consequences. So we think about it from
a super perspective, in particularly in crusaders environment. What we
think about our job is to engage fans, excite them
about the game, have them interested in the game, and
that there's this fan piece.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
The second piece is.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Our job is to grow athletes to represent our national team,
and we do that hopefully by winning some championships on
the way. But if you think about that second one,
you go changing the system, Willy Linnary, you're in response
to this or that event, you actually give the players
less certainty and less clarity in the way that they
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can manage their careers.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And we all have different views later.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
In life about oh my opinions changed, but these are
a lot of these athletes are making five ten year
career decisions. So I think we serve them best by
giving them some clarity, being really precise and working on
their development so they can come through that system, you know,
be a great All Black and then and then hopefully
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also you know, quite some wealth for them and their
family later in life.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Colin Man's been CEO of the Crusaders joins us. But
that proposition are put to you before. If he was
to come back for the All Black season at the
end of a current TASBA season, if he signed with
his own rugby, he has to sign I think with
a super club and then he can put his sabbatical
into effect after the next Sheba season.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Is it that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Simple or is it slightly more complex than that.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think you're trying to make it too simple. And
the thing I love.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
About you make the thing I love about you is
you do make these things really simple. But they of
course they're not that simple. And on loads to talk
about Richie situation, but I am I am keen to
talk about the strategy. And the strategy has served New
Zealand rugby. Well you even look at last year, look
at the the number of players and say second row
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and when we thought we were a bit light there
and then suddenly second rowers starts showing what great skill
they've got and what great depths we've got there. So
and that speaks to the quality of the development that's
gone on in the in the system, so in.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
The triefs and the hurricanes in particular last year.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
So you've just got to be a bit careful of
if you if you chop their leagues off and you say, right, actually,
we're not going to set up a system that they
can keep developing players, then then you do end up
with you do end up in a worst case scenario,
bit like England and the EPL. You know, it's a
competition full of foreigners. They're they're taking people from anywhere,
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and does it help them.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
When World Cups. I'm not sure it does.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
So I think I think we've got to just be
real careful with exceptions and preferably not put individual players
under pressure to use them as the exception example when
we're talking about it, I think if there's a if
there was a strategic reset required, I think calm, thoughtful
minds should get around the table and work through the
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pros and cons. But yeah, we've got to be a
bit care for that putting individuals under pressure.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, looking at the greater good and not making a
knee jerk decision that will affect the New Zealand rugby
long term. They're their rules that can apply what they
want and do what they want, but they've got to
be cognizant of the bigger picture essentially.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Yeah, And I think and the other thing just just
just to remember is if you think about the athletes
that come through the system and what the system does,
so the super rugby system essentially underwrites New Zealand's high
performance development costs. And so so if you start pulling
a lever on on this side of the machine, and
you pull a lever and you take out all the
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viability of that system, then suddenly you get what you
want on the short term fix, so to speak, But
then you actually undermine the whole system going forward.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So suddenly you know, you get.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
A player this year, this week, but then you don't
get anybody in your pipeline for the week after, the
week after and the week after.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so we just have to be a.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Little careful, just a wee bit careful about responding to
an event and changing the whole system.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And that it looks back to what you're talking about
second rowers and the perceived lack of faith in the
first five stocks. If they move mountains to get Richie
miing about what damage that does and the inability for
the grass sheets to actually come through. It is complex.
I'm sorry. I try and make it simple. Colin Mansbridge.
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It's just the way I roll. I wish the world
was much more like that. So you understand what ends
you are are doing, and you don't see in an
individual case then changing immediately. It needs to be something
that's really looked into for the greater good over a
long period of time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I think so.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
I think it's got to be very thoughtfully executed. Anything so,
and we'll always find an exception. The danger is if
you use the exception to drive the decision that then
you know, you get all these unintended consequences.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And I think you talk about it in particular.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
You know, players who are coming through schools and clubs,
the grassroots of our system at the moment, if they're
going to be making decisions about the potential for themselves
to be professional athletes in the future, they want to
be able to see that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They've got a pathway.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Now, imagine if there is no super or and there
is no NPC, the last thing you want is your
players sort of thinking, actually, well, I'm going to leave
school at fifteen and go in to Australia play NRL
or or whatever it is. I think it's just we've
got to be really thoughtful about eligibility. And it's not
just say it's not an important conversation and we shouldn't
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have it.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I just think we've got to be really thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You no need for BEDMO. We've got the breakdowns on
Sports Talk.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
News Talk unintended circumstances. That's Colin manns Bridge, chief executive
officer of Crusaders Rugby, and talking about the decision that
they're no longer chasing Richie Muwanga to come back and
play for the All Blacks this year. It's simply not
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going to happen, even though they went over there on
bend and knee with cap out going we really want you.
And you'd say that Scott Robinson really wanted them as well,
but they couldn't come to an agreement to simplify it.
And I know that Colin said, look, Dascy, try and
make things too simple all the time, but that's part
and part of broad right try and boil it all
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down to what it actually means so people can can
digest it. In essence, if enz Are wanted Richie Muwanga back,
they would change their eligibility rules because they're their rules
and no one else's rules. They're not World Rugby rules.
They're not sands are rules the Sands or even still exists.
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They're their own rules. They can do what they want,
and they're that desperate to get Richie Muanga back. They
can get a biro out adjusted and Richie will come back.
They don't have to go on a bended knee with
a cap in hands saying can we organize something where
you can come back and re sign for the Crusaders
for a bit and then we'll give you a sabbatical
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that means you play View All Blacks. That means you
get to keep your two million dollars. You're getting a
season with Tashiba. It's so convoluted, so confusing, and if
they wanted to, they could simplify it, but it cost,
and as Colin Mansbridge pointed out, they've got to be
so cognizant of the cost of making these decisions. I'll
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go and try and work a way that they can
get the best out of Richi Muana and get them
back again. This didn't work. It failed. I'm split when
it comes to should they change their laws because as
the old Rugby saying goes no longer for purpose, So
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you get why people want to change them. But being
aware of what might happen down the line, should they
need jerk on the back of as Colin described it,
one event of one character. Will that really serve them
well in the future. I'm not sure if it will.
I'm not sure if it won't either. But what I
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like to go back to in this situation, which is
why I believe ends it up, shouldn't change their eligibility
rules based on this event, this occasion, and yet they
will look at it in time because he feel like
they have to been steadfast by it. Of recent times,
it appears to have worked, although it was getting very
shaky the foundations they build it on. When you look
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at Sean Stevenson, I mean you look at the amount
of players now that do get sabbaticals. It's nowhere near
as firm as it used to be. Here's where I
sit on this, Richie Malian's got to sleep in the
bed he made. He signed the contract for a whole
lot of money. He took the cash and good on them.
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I'd do exactly the same thing. He made that decision
based on his future. He didn't know whether Scott Robertson
would be back. He didn't know if Scott Robinson going
to pick him or not. Doesn't matter. He had a decision.
He made that decision. It's changed a bit. Someone wants
them back again. New Zealand Rugby can't bend over to
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accommodate this. They can't. It'll make them look incredibly stupid.
Change in time, I'm sure makes some considered decisions, but
I go commend them for not turning on a diamond,
doing whatever they could to get Richie Woonger back again.
There's a number of reasons behind that, but the simple
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reason is they made their bed, they slip in it,
shouldn't have gone there in the first place, and grovel,
where's your trust in, Damien McKenzie? Oh, this is news
Talks eb Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Simply for you,
should New Zealand Rugby change their rules to get Richie
wuonger back one event, one occasion, one decision. Should they
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change it to get the guy back? Yes or no?
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
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text nineteen ninety two that CBCB stat a text charge.
It does apply, looking forward to your cause, looking forward
to your text. You're on sports.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Took two two one hundred fast my food.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
They touched the gas, I said, the baby, So the
Dallas making lass.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
You said, where's the fun in there?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Let's go put some.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Back forget the riffs.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Call you make a call on.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
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Speaker 2 (19:28):
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Speaker 3 (19:30):
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Speaker 2 (19:35):
It is.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's a Wednesday, twenty second of January, Dak your calls
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty injured A. Do they
just like pull the stops out and go backer or
change everything? We want Richie back? No, they shouldn't. They
should have even gone over there in the first place.
I should have stayed here and say, Scott Raiser Robinson,
you got the players, make him play better. Richie's great
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fantas he's gone. He made his decision. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
High Bill good eight Hey, look funny Bill, when he
was talking about doing the same thing in South Africa,
all these counts want to rugby union come out and
said what he thought we was gonna started running and
down and all this sort of stuff. And that's why
South Africa beat us, mate, because all their best players,
they are overseas getting the best money and then they
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come back to play for the country. And in New
Zealands we think that's we think it's a capital crime
to go overseas and do the best thing for your
family but still want to play for New Zealand. But
apparently you can't because the All Blacks are such a
big brand. Well anyway, mate, how many artistic we leave
us yet?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, Bill, We've got to look beyond that. And that's
what cold of Man was saying. It's not about the
All Blacks purely. It's about having idols and superstars and
our own shores and keeping.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
On titles and superstars. I'm just about winning test matches.
So South Africa has won the last two World Cups,
yet it so does But I support our best players
getting the best money, they're still want to.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's the one question. So if you never see the
best players playing in Super Rugby, it doesn't bother you.
They basically come and play test rugby and disappear. That
that doesn't probably probably don't worry because that's what happens, right.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
We lose them more, well, you lose them more, but
this is going to play you never.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
They never hear it, you don't have your OK. I mean,
that's fine if that's the way you think.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
Well, what's the point here when they're going to make
so much money overseas.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But it's all about their money. If they want to
be about their money, it can that's fine. Knock yourself
out and disappear. But I think from ends it are
the all blacks are thinking here is you see them,
you want to be them. You go to the games,
you go to Super rugby games. You're superstars to see
them there. They are part of your community and you're
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sporting identity, and you need that to promote the game.
You need that to lift kids into playing the game.
If they just flying in a lea jet three times
a year and played test rugby, what does that say
to you? About the all breaks. I don't think they
represent us anymore, and I think that's pretty important. That's
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just me. Hey David, how are you?
Speaker 9 (22:36):
Yeah? Good mate? No, you play for your country. Have
how many young five eights around the country kind of
getting the all breaks? And why bend over back for
to one person? It just doesn't suit well with me,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
No, I think that's fair. I think Richie knew what
he was doing and he made that decision, and good
on him. I'd do it too, but oh you had
no good luck to him?
Speaker 9 (23:04):
But why go Capnandro?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I didn't meant to swear.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Sorry, it's tough past seven that This is sports talk
on News Talk z B. Lines were open eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. We're going to go now to Steve.
Good Steve, how are you?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Thank you?
Speaker 11 (23:27):
Many?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
The answer is no, you don't change the law, don't
change the rules. No, yeah, long term does it need
to be tweaked?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Do you think?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
No? No? Not in my opinion, d'arcity not at all?
Don't I He went, He's gone and that's the end
of it. We got a great with ten. He's waking
out of player and he'll come right are coming?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Good.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, what Commormins was saying, before you get a situation
where we've got no Lockstock, what's going on? We're finished,
We've lost Brady Retellic and Sam white Lock and who
stood up this see and said, no, you're fine. You see,
it does happen. And there are going to be times,
aren't there when there's going to be a void that's
difficult to fill?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Absolutely there is. You know, wasn't so long ago that
Grant Grant Fox was at the end or of everything.
So each moved on and we've moved on.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
And I suppose the big thing here is that is
it does keep better players here and maybe not the
best player, maybe we lose the best players. But is
that that is that hugely important?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Lask All just wants to win it all costs. I
tend to the fact that we need to have our
players playing in New Zealand, to be characters to look
up to, to be part of.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
It's still at a national game, isn't it rugby?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
And and it's like it must be like putting on
all back jersey must be must be the highlight of
everyone's career.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It has to be.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It's never been something that I've wanted, but you know,
I love it and I love watching it, but I've
never wanted to do it. I don't have that commitment myself.
But you know, to go off and chase money, I
suppose they have to. I suppose I'm being a bit
naive here and I suppose.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But well, they've got a choice. They're still wanting to
be made. But if you do open it up, and
that's the other question, would people be comfortable with the
fact that we have all blacks who make an absolute
fortune and our world teachers and we never see them
here because that's the payoff? Do we really want that? No,
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it might just come down to something as simple as that.
And I think the ends are are going, Oh, we
don't want to lose control of this.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
We can't.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's too valuable. And so there.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I hope they don't know. It's a great but it's
a gravy training.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You play for X amount of time and then you
go overseas, even if they adjusted. So there's the Mactoe rule.
So after you've represented the country fifty times, you can
go over seas something like that. But they can't do
it in a hurry cab. They can't go ah, we
need them. Let's go. And this is all based on
what Scott Robinson saying. I don't like our first five eights.
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Can we have Richie back please? So you're gonna bend
everything on the whims of one coach.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's he's the wrong man for the job, I believe,
but we don't want to get into it right now.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Let's wait till June. Steve, thanks very much for your call.
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Routelift and Venus have gone down six to four in
that first set. Semi final Mixed doubles Australian Open, Gadecki
and Peers holding court. Excuse the pun currently try and
(27:00):
keep up today with that as it carries on and
on routeleft. Caught up with her earlier on in the day.
She actually spoke to us before she played a Grand
Slam tennis match. How cool. We'll talk about this, that
and the other that'll be happening about ten minutes time.
Meantime lines rape and I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
change the rule right now to get Richie back.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Na.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
This is news talkslo and.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
If you're money, change how the fuel chute twenty minutes
to eight Sports Talk on News talking to b Lines
(27:47):
raping eight hundred eighty ten eighty just change the lore
and get Richie back. No, don't. More I think about it,
the more firm I become on this they should have
even gone on Lass in the first place. Makes them
look silly, doesn't it.
Speaker 12 (28:02):
Wayne, Absolutely day on my to receive with you on
this one.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
It seems odd that they've got a real strict set
of parameters. Yeah, if they think they might want them
back because it wasn't quite right, they'll crawl over broken
rock to do it. It just makes them look.
Speaker 12 (28:22):
Silly, I think so. And I think it doesn't bode
well for those that are aspiring, you know, for that
step up from super rugby and maybe they're you know,
even coming along as just done New Zealand twenties. They're
breaking into super rugby. They could be the next camp
of the rank. And I actually think that at the
(28:45):
end of the day, maybe it's just Robertson who's not
backing his coaching ability, Like he's got players there, so
why was he not just using these players opposed to
having to go to Mywonger and say hey, you have about
your ditchal that money over there and come back to
the Orblacks. He's done his time at the orb Blacks.
He chose to go taste the money and fear called
(29:06):
of that too. I don't disagree what I'm going and
getting the money, but I think we need to focus
on the talent we've got at home and run with that.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I don't think it's Richie's fault in the situation, if
ends it are at the at the whim I'm presuming
of Scott Robertson go and try and get him back.
And it's not Richie's problem. He's not part of this,
shouldn't have been roped into it. It's the embarrassment of
having to go and saying, can we somehow I get
out of this because I think that rule's not that great.
(29:36):
That's embarrassing more than silly.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Yeah, and if you're you know so, I am a
white g Own chief supporter. So obviously we've for got
dem On now, you know, top of the pop kind of.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Well, he ripped Island to shreds. He was amazing in
that game. I'll give him that.
Speaker 12 (29:56):
Yeah, you look at where's plumberg on he's obviously saying,
well ship, you know, excuse me if you know Robertson's
going well, Actually, I don't think we've got any good
fears for I was coming up. I want to get
Richie back and he's failed, so I were going to
lose more time.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, if you've got in Wayne, thanks very much for
your call. If you have young players coming through going on,
I don't like this process. I don't like the system
they've got here. Maybe I just run away. Anyway, it's
a dangerous game they're playing, very fraught.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Derek.
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Yeah, I was just wondering what would happen if Breshimoonger
did an interview on one of the stations and said,
I'm actually desperate to play for the All Blacks. I've
actually talked to my Japanese club and they give me
the okay and they're ready to release me whenever the
All Blacks are playing. I reckon that we're putting this
hill in a Rabia in a pretty difficult position. If
a player came out publicly and said I'm desperate to play.
(30:48):
I think I'm the best number ten, and I'm not
the only one who thinks that, and I'm desperate to
play for the All Blacks, and I wonder how they
would react to a player going public and saying how
despert is to represent New Zealand. I reckon it would
really put New Him and Arabia into a pretty difficult position.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
But they've got they explore the international when are they
good with it? They want their players to represent. They've
got a whole lot of South African's playing over there
and they let them go. They want that to happen,
So I think there's a problem. I don't know. It's
just that their own laws mean they tie themselves up knots,
and the complexities around the sabbaticals are so difficult to negotiate.
(31:30):
It makes it really difficult. So it's on ends that
are But they shouldn't go back. Richie made his decision.
Speaker 11 (31:41):
And also South Africa is providing at the moment. I mean,
am I the only one that sees that they're providing
a formidable challenge right now?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
They're amazing. The public need to get to see them.
Speaker 11 (31:54):
Look, I actually only up tonight and you probably probably
knew this call was coming. I got I'm not trying
to tell you how to do an interview. It's your show.
But I got really annoyed and upset when Colin Man
went on about the English Premier League being filled with foreigners,
and then he made that crack about England's never won
the World Cup. I mean, come on, that's a silly,
silly thing to say there was more young players than then.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
That was, wasn't me?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
Yeah, I know, And it's a different I have thought
that out.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
The very different competitions I suppose, And what he's just
saying is he doesn't want a situation similar bit different
where the game gets flooded with foreigners.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Nationals and they can raise that.
Speaker 11 (32:35):
That can raise the level of performance and competition. Let's
not forget that, and that would bring through, that would
raise the talent for a lot of young players coming
out of the NPC. And I watched the NPC this year.
Does he surprising?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It was?
Speaker 11 (32:47):
It was a great comp and you saw so many
good young players and good crowds and great support and
a lot of good television coverage.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
It has to be said.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
And I'll tell you what if Scott Robinson wants to
lower his eyes away from the super Rapi guys and
always dissatisfied with the talent that he's seeing he couldn't
go too far wrong with having a look at.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Some of these and that's the idea and that's the desire. Derek,
thanks very much for your core as always trying to
tell me how to do it. Abew, that wasn't my fault,
it was Colin. A very different games, weren't they, EPL
versus All Black Rugby, Super rugby. So different, so different,
(33:28):
so much more money, so much bigger, so many more
people involved. AnyWho. That's it for this segment of the program.
Gaddiki and Piers are running away with this mixed doubles
semi final in Australia, six four in the first, three
(33:49):
to one in the second. But on the day I
managed to corner Routlift. Have we chat with her about
this game and about what's coming up on Friday to
seven quite the tournament. She's up next, You're on.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
News Talks HEB.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Eight. Earlier today I caught up with doubles tennis player
Aaron Rattler for Erin. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Hi, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
How are you well? Probably not as tired as you are.
You really been quite a lot oft, didn't you. Mixed
doubles women's doubles all on the same day. Is that sensible?
Do you think erin.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Yeah, it's all good. It's normal at slams. I think
a lot of people when you play doubles in mixed
you get doubled up. So it's just something you I mean,
it's a good, good problem to have.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
What do you how do you go about preparing for
something like that? You've done it before playing, As you said,
it's something that happens. Is there a particular method to
go about putting your best foot forward in both fixtures?
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Just focusing on like the first one match at a time.
I think, just preparing with the heat. I Hi traded
a lot, proper nutrition, all that stuff, getting enough sleep. Yeah,
just the basic thing.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
So nothing's changed. You just at her a following proceeds.
It's that symbol. Yeah, exactly when it comes to the
disciplines and how you play with each partner. With Michael Wall,
with Gabby, how does that adjust in your preparation? What's
the difference in exchanges with the female or male?
Speaker 8 (35:23):
They're both pretty positive and they bring a good energy,
so it's not too different.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Honestly.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
The only main thing is with Gabby I play on
the duce side with Mike, I play on the ID,
so that's pretty different, so I have to adjust my
game a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Wait, so is that a personal preference or just the
way the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Gabby likes to play on the odd and Mike likes
to play on the deuce, So I just played the
other one.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yesterday after what happened, you were very complimentary of Gabby,
and I think you got a bit Cussie on it.
She saved your ass and a few other nice expletives too,
So you got to love that. We've got a lot
of love for Gabby, haven't you.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Yeah? Yeah, she was amazing yesterday at the Nut. I
was struggling a little bit with my serve and she was, Yeah,
a star up there.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
So what happens in between you're playing today with Michael,
then you're playing your women's doubles matches. As far as now,
it's getting to the point at end. What happens with training?
What happens with setting yourself up? What's the process.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
It's just a hit for thirty minutes before every match.
There's not really any training. It's just warm ups. Now, Yeah,
that's it. And so you're just like in the gym
for like forty five minutes before that and then you
warm up and then play your match.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So when you're playing, so you're ranked second seed, so
you've obviously got favoritism. I don't know what your history's
like at Margaret Court specifically, what difference does that make.
You're taking on Gadecki and Peers. Where do they sit
in the widest scheme of things and what do they
bring to the court? Do you think?
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Erin, Yeah, they're a great team. They've had three really
good wins and we haven't played Australians yet and so
we've actually had the crowd on our side with all
the kiwis coming here to sport, it's been awesome. So
maybe today they all might they might have more of
the crowd, but I'm sure the cues will still come
(37:17):
and support. But yeah, I mean they're both really good players.
Mike knows Peers pretty well, I know Gadeki. Yeah, we're
just excited to get the opportunity to play.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Does that make for a more entertaining match for the
players themselves? That you know the people over the net
and I presume this is quite common, does that just
add an extra but a spark to the fixture, maybe
lessen the aggression. Possibly.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Uh No, we all know each other by this point.
We're playing the same people every week basically. The only
one that is different is like when we play mixed.
Obviously we don't know the men that well and the
men don't know the women that well. But yeah, now
at this point we know everybody, So everybody knows everybody.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
You've mentioned the hate before, Aaron, and dealing with that.
I don't know what we're looking like today because I'm
hiding an air conditioning. But again, something you just have
to get used to. There's any specific method you use there.
Speaker 8 (38:12):
No, the last few days were really hot, but it's cool,
doubt a lot. It's like only twenty degrees today, and
I think it'll be like that for the rest of
the tournament. You just use ice packs on changeovers, hydra, yeah,
just the basic stuff. But yeah, it's not gonna be
too hot for the rest of the tournament, so that's nice.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I think I know what you're gonna say here, Aaron Rautler.
But the energy from victory in one discipline, does that
transfer to the next discipline? Light you get it going today?
Does that mean in your semi final in the women's doubles.
It adds a little extra you have to kind of
separate it all out.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
I don't even think about the anything except for the
match that I'm playing in the moment, Like I'll focus
on the one today. I'm not even thinking about my semi,
my woman's semi. To be honest, I just am going
one match at a time.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So when I bring it up, you get a bit like,
I'll come on, mate, Really, I've told you might be
focusing on the one, you know, But we can't help ourselves.
We're interesting and what happens wait Thursday or Friday. So
you're not.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
Angry, No, no, god, no, I understand people. People always
are like, oh, what's happening in the future. You think
about winning, winning the tournament, blah blah blah. But nah,
that's not something we think about because you got to
focus on what you need.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
To do at They hear them now the phrase be present,
very very important. But I'm not going to be prison
and I'm going to look forward. It's number two seeds
playing number three seeds. What's your history like with the oppositions?
Off the pinko and say, I think it's how you
pronounce your name.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
They are new teams, so we've played them separately quite
a few times, but never together. So yeah, it'll be
a great match. There are two amazing doubles players, Grand
Slam winners like multiple times. So yeah, we're we're excited
and we're ready and yeah we'll do our We'll watch
them play a little bit and uh yeah, figure out
(40:00):
how we're how we're going to try and win.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I'm gonna be impressed with how fay you've come considering
gavid Rowski with it breast cancer scare and she took
a bit of time off, which hold the proceedings somewhat
and understandably so, so her return to the court and
the success you're having it says a lot about her
mental strength and about your support as well. Eran, Yeah,
(40:22):
that was.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
A heavy thing to deal with last year, and all
credit to her. She's been absolutely incredible. It just makes
everything you know, she achieved and we achieved together even better. Obviously,
very happy to be on the other side of it,
and she'll have to, you know, keep up with her
health and her checks and all that stuff. But yeah,
it was definitely really scary. I've never known anyone near
(40:45):
me to have a cancer scare. So yeah, it was
a lot, but honestly, it's incredible to be besides somebody
that you know has such an inspiring story.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I suppose it puts into perspective what you're doing for
a living. It's just a net and a couple of bulls, right.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
Yeah, exactly, it's exactly what it did. It really brings
perspective to everything, for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
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Speaker 3 (41:17):
It was Aaron Routler, the New Zealand's tennis player born
in New Zilla, moved to Canada, then saw seats and
decided to represent the country of her birth. Currently in
the doubles match with Venus, looks like they're going to
get flight six four four three at the moment, and
of course Gabby Dobrowski, her doubles partner, and the women's
doubles are there in the semi finals of the Aussie
(41:38):
Open coming up on Friday. Wonderful character, lovely lady, very
generous with her time and even kinder to produce her
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We talk a bit of tennis and would you believe it,
on the twenty second of January, a bit of rugby.
Can't help ourselves. Oddly though, when the story about Richie
(00:56):
Muwonga broke producer and he said, well, you know, it's
only like three weeks away the start of Super rap anyway,
so it's not that far ahead of it. So I'll
like wow, fourteenth of BEB Valentine's Day and eleven with
Super Rugby commences crazy, but it's not about Super Rugby.
(01:16):
We speak or they are speaking to someone involved heavily
in Super Rugby. CEO of the Crusaders, Colin Mansbridge joins
us talking about the news that Richie Mwana will not
be returned to the All Blacks under Scott Robertson. Negotiations
have broken down so that three year contract that he
(01:37):
signed for repeatedly what two million dollars a year. He's
halfway through that and he will remain there and he
will not be coming back. It doesn't matter what kind
of jiggery pokery the ends that are I think they
can put down. It ain't happening. We'll find out about
what they can actually do, why they can do it,
if they would do it. And where does Richie stand?
Shortly with Colin Mansbridge and I caught up with Aaron
(02:01):
Ratliffe earlier today. Can't tell you it's going to be
live because plainyses on court, yeah, to talk about her
Australian Open. She's got two double semi finals coming up,
the mixed which is happening now and the woman's sorry,
the women's doubles, which is happening with her partner Gabby
(02:21):
Dobrowski on Friday, looking ahead to a double double at
the Grand Slam. She joins us around about quarter to
eight tonight, and first we're going to be joined by
Colin Mansbridge. Before we get amongst Colin, let's get a
monkst this sort today. Sport today is said the Australian
(02:42):
Open is edging towards a crescendo. Craig Gabriel summarizes with
the women's semi finals currently.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Sits Madison keys is rallied from a set down to
defeat Eleni's with Elena three six six three six four
to reach the semis for the third time and first
since twenty twenty two. The American is now on a
ten match win streak and she returns to the top ten.
She will face Egish Vantek, who made short work of
Emma Navarro six two. The other semi has Arena Saberlenka
playing Parla Badorsa.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Auckland FC are super keen to claw their way back
to the top of the A League again by beating
up on the current leaders, ADELAIDEFC. That's tonight in South
Australia Black Knights defended. Tommy Smith expects big things from
himself and his teammates.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
These are the games you want to play as a
professional footballer. You know you want to be challenging for
those top spots against the best teams in your division.
So obviously we want to go into every game looking
to win it and this one will be no different.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And Jess Kerr is having quite the super smash season
four Wellington. Today she wallopped forty four then whipped four
wickets to propel her team to fifty nine run win
over Canterbury. She told TV and Z plus just how
cool it is to be part of the flame.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm just really having fun.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
I love playing for Wellington, putting on the jersey and yeah,
it's a great group and to be able to contribute.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
And when going to cricket for Wellington is really special.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And that's today.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Coming up eleven past seven Wednesday, twenty second over January
edge to the All Blacks through Super Rugby. We go
now looking at the non return of Richie Muwanga at
the moment from Tashiba back into the All Blacks to
discuss that kind of Mansbridge and Crusader's chief executive officer
joins us now today may welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Cure to ask how are you mate.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Very very well start of a fresh year. Only what
how far away? We're only a few weeks away from
the start of super season. That's bizarre. It's crept up quick,
isn't it.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
It has a physical head out for our boys on
Friday morning, and then we've got the long run where
we do some work with child Cancer Foundation try to
some money for them, and then we've got the following week,
we've got a pre season in Kerwe with the Blues,
and then Dan and Vicago with the Hoghlanders.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And then she's all going with the Hurricanes on the fourteenth.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
So yeah, it's lovely to see people running around the
field doing some that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's nice and it's nice to see it in the sun.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Think news coming through today is the Richie Muwanga story.
It's a story that won't go away. And now we
find ourselves in the situation where it looks like he's
not going to come back and be selected to be
an All Black, but it's still an ongoing situation. The
negotiation possibly won't stop according to his agent anyway. So
where do we sit right here in your eyes around
(05:30):
the alibility of the alibility of Richie Murewonga. What has
to happen for him to return to be an All Black?
Can he break his contract? Is there a possibility of
a sabbatical? What do Zealand Rugby want? What are they
trying to do? Can you make head or tail of
this kind?
Speaker 7 (05:46):
It is difficult and I have a great deal of
sympathy for them. You know, you think about Razor and
New Zealand Rugby's job is to get the best possible
team they can possibly get, so they're always going to
be testing the system to see how they can get that.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know, system's done a pretty good job.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
And served the All Blacks and serve New Zealand Rugby
for a long period of time. So you do have
to be a bit careful about, you know, building exceptions
or setting precedents that that undermine that system.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I think that's probably the other side of the coin.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
You know, on the one hand, you want to have
the best available players that you can have at any
point in time, but then in doing something, you don't
want to sort of chop the legs of the system
off and make it less effective than it's been. And
it's fair to say over a long period of time
it's been a significant contributor to the New Zealand rugby
development system, the All Black team. I understand that there
(06:40):
needs to be some care. The other thing is, you know,
you know, players make some choices and and things change.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But you know that's that's sort of life, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
You know, it's it's hard to rewrite the rewrite contracts
and that after they've been done.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Okay, so he's got a three year contract. It's completely
one very successful year. He's in the middle of year
number two and he's got one more year to go.
If the ends it are were to be a little
flexible on this, in your role as a CEO, you
get this, I hope could he finish his contract into Sheba,
(07:15):
come back, sign a deal to play in New Zealand,
play with the All Blacks, and part of that deal
means his sabbatical clause pops in, so he can go
straight back to to Sheba again, finish his last year
and come back. Would that work? Is that the kind
of I suppose workings that end and will be looking
(07:37):
to achieve if they stayed their rules, it will be
that simple.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I think the challenge though, is and it's always difficult
when you're talking about a person or an event in
the context of a strategy. So the more we look
at this, there's always going to be a way for
an individual to deal with an individual vent and I'm
not sure that's particularly helpful because you know, if you
(08:00):
try to build a strategy around individuals, you're going to
end up in a situation when your strategy is that
complex and that difficult, it's not going to be helpful
for anybody. People aren't going to get clarity on how
they can manage their careers and where they need to go.
So I'm not sure. I'm not sure putting poor or
Richie in the middle of this is helpful for anybody.
I actually think we've got to be really careful about
(08:22):
systems and unintended consequences. So we think about it from
a super perspective, in particularly in crusaders environment. What we
think about our job is to engage fans, excite them
about the game, have them interested in the game, and
that there's this fan piece.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
The second piece is.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Our job is to grow athletes to represent our national team,
and we do that hopefully by winning some championships on
the way. But if you think about that second one,
you go changing the system, Willy Linnary, you're in response
to this or that event, you actually give the players
less certainty and less clarity in the way that they
(09:00):
can manage their careers.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And we all have different views later.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
In life about oh my opinions changed, but these are
a lot of these athletes are making five ten year
career decisions. So I think we serve them best by
giving them some clarity, being really precise and working on
their development so they can come through that system, you know,
be a great All Black and then and then hopefully
(09:25):
also you know, quite some wealth for them and their
family later in life.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Colin Man's been CEO of the Crusaders joins us. But
that proposition are put to you before. If he was
to come back for the All Black season at the
end of a current TASBA season, if he signed with
his own rugby, he has to sign I think with
a super club and then he can put his sabbatical
into effect after the next Sheba season.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Is it that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Simple or is it slightly more complex than that.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think you're trying to make it too simple. And
the thing I love.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
About you make the thing I love about you is
you do make these things really simple. But they of
course they're not that simple. And on loads to talk
about Richie situation, but I am I am keen to
talk about the strategy. And the strategy has served New
Zealand rugby. Well you even look at last year, look
at the the number of players and say second row
(10:22):
and when we thought we were a bit light there
and then suddenly second rowers starts showing what great skill
they've got and what great depths we've got there. So
and that speaks to the quality of the development that's
gone on in the in the system, so in.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
The triefs and the hurricanes in particular last year.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
So you've just got to be a bit careful of
if you if you chop their leagues off and you say, right, actually,
we're not going to set up a system that they
can keep developing players, then then you do end up
with you do end up in a worst case scenario,
bit like England and the EPL. You know, it's a
competition full of foreigners. They're they're taking people from anywhere,
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and does it help them.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
When World Cups. I'm not sure it does.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
So I think I think we've got to just be
real careful with exceptions and preferably not put individual players
under pressure to use them as the exception example when
we're talking about it, I think if there's a if
there was a strategic reset required, I think calm, thoughtful
minds should get around the table and work through the
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pros and cons. But yeah, we've got to be a
bit care for that putting individuals under pressure.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, looking at the greater good and not making a
knee jerk decision that will affect the New Zealand rugby
long term. They're their rules that can apply what they
want and do what they want, but they've got to
be cognizant of the bigger picture essentially.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Yeah, And I think and the other thing just just
just to remember is if you think about the athletes
that come through the system and what the system does,
so the super rugby system essentially underwrites New Zealand's high
performance development costs. And so so if you start pulling
a lever on on this side of the machine, and
you pull a lever and you take out all the
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viability of that system, then suddenly you get what you
want on the short term fix, so to speak, But
then you actually undermine the whole system going forward.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So suddenly you know, you get.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
A player this year, this week, but then you don't
get anybody in your pipeline for the week after, the
week after and the week after.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so we just have to be a.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Little careful, just a wee bit careful about responding to
an event and changing the whole system.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And that it looks back to what you're talking about
second rowers and the perceived lack of faith in the
first five stocks. If they move mountains to get Richie
miing about what damage that does and the inability for
the grass sheets to actually come through. It is complex.
I'm sorry. I try and make it simple. Colin Mansbridge.
(13:02):
It's just the way I roll. I wish the world
was much more like that. So you understand what ends
you are are doing, and you don't see in an
individual case then changing immediately. It needs to be something
that's really looked into for the greater good over a
long period of time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I think so.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
I think it's got to be very thoughtfully executed. Anything so,
and we'll always find an exception. The danger is if
you use the exception to drive the decision that then
you know, you get all these unintended consequences.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And I think you talk about it in particular.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
You know, players who are coming through schools and clubs,
the grassroots of our system at the moment, if they're
going to be making decisions about the potential for themselves
to be professional athletes in the future, they want to
be able to see that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They've got a pathway.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Now, imagine if there is no super or and there
is no NPC, the last thing you want is your
players sort of thinking, actually, well, I'm going to leave
school at fifteen and go in to Australia play NRL
or or whatever it is. I think it's just we've
got to be really thoughtful about eligibility. And it's not
just say it's not an important conversation and we shouldn't
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have it.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I just think we've got to be really thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You no need for BEDMO. We've got the breakdowns on
Sports Talk.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
News Talk unintended circumstances. That's Colin manns Bridge, chief executive
officer of Crusaders Rugby, and talking about the decision that
they're no longer chasing Richie Muwanga to come back and
play for the All Blacks this year. It's simply not
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going to happen, even though they went over there on
bend and knee with cap out going we really want you.
And you'd say that Scott Robinson really wanted them as well,
but they couldn't come to an agreement to simplify it.
And I know that Colin said, look, Dascy, try and
make things too simple all the time, but that's part
and part of broad right try and boil it all
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down to what it actually means so people can can
digest it. In essence, if enz Are wanted Richie Muwanga back,
they would change their eligibility rules because they're their rules
and no one else's rules. They're not World Rugby rules.
They're not sands are rules the Sands or even still exists.
(15:30):
They're their own rules. They can do what they want,
and they're that desperate to get Richie Muanga back. They
can get a biro out adjusted and Richie will come back.
They don't have to go on a bended knee with
a cap in hands saying can we organize something where
you can come back and re sign for the Crusaders
for a bit and then we'll give you a sabbatical
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that means you play View All Blacks. That means you
get to keep your two million dollars. You're getting a
season with Tashiba. It's so convoluted, so confusing, and if
they wanted to, they could simplify it, but it cost,
and as Colin Mansbridge pointed out, they've got to be
so cognizant of the cost of making these decisions. I'll
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go and try and work a way that they can
get the best out of Richi Muana and get them
back again. This didn't work. It failed. I'm split when
it comes to should they change their laws because as
the old Rugby saying goes no longer for purpose, So
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you get why people want to change them. But being
aware of what might happen down the line, should they
need jerk on the back of as Colin described it,
one event of one character. Will that really serve them
well in the future. I'm not sure if it will.
I'm not sure if it won't either. But what I
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like to go back to in this situation, which is
why I believe ends it up, shouldn't change their eligibility
rules based on this event, this occasion, and yet they
will look at it in time because he feel like
they have to been steadfast by it. Of recent times,
it appears to have worked, although it was getting very
shaky the foundations they build it on. When you look
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at Sean Stevenson, I mean you look at the amount
of players now that do get sabbaticals. It's nowhere near
as firm as it used to be. Here's where I
sit on this, Richie Malian's got to sleep in the
bed he made. He signed the contract for a whole
lot of money. He took the cash and good on them.
(17:39):
I'd do exactly the same thing. He made that decision
based on his future. He didn't know whether Scott Robertson
would be back. He didn't know if Scott Robinson going
to pick him or not. Doesn't matter. He had a decision.
He made that decision. It's changed a bit. Someone wants
them back again. New Zealand Rugby can't bend over to
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accommodate this. They can't. It'll make them look incredibly stupid.
Change in time, I'm sure makes some considered decisions, but
I go commend them for not turning on a diamond,
doing whatever they could to get Richie Woonger back again.
There's a number of reasons behind that, but the simple
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reason is they made their bed, they slip in it,
shouldn't have gone there in the first place, and grovel,
where's your trust in, Damien McKenzie? Oh, this is news
Talks eb Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Simply for you,
should New Zealand Rugby change their rules to get Richie
wuonger back one event, one occasion, one decision. Should they
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change it to get the guy back? Yes or no?
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
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It does apply, looking forward to your cause, looking forward
to your text. You're on sports.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Took two two one hundred fast my food.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
They touched the gas, I said, the baby, So the
Dallas making lass.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
You said, where's the fun in there?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Let's go put some.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Back forget the riffs.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Call you make a call on.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
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Good lord, someone for me.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
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Speaker 3 (19:30):
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nine seven twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It is.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's a Wednesday, twenty second of January, Dak your calls
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty injured A. Do they
just like pull the stops out and go backer or
change everything? We want Richie back? No, they shouldn't. They
should have even gone over there in the first place.
I should have stayed here and say, Scott Raiser Robinson,
you got the players, make him play better. Richie's great
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fantas he's gone. He made his decision. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
High Bill good eight Hey, look funny Bill, when he
was talking about doing the same thing in South Africa,
all these counts want to rugby union come out and
said what he thought we was gonna started running and
down and all this sort of stuff. And that's why
South Africa beat us, mate, because all their best players,
they are overseas getting the best money and then they
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come back to play for the country. And in New
Zealands we think that's we think it's a capital crime
to go overseas and do the best thing for your
family but still want to play for New Zealand. But
apparently you can't because the All Blacks are such a
big brand. Well anyway, mate, how many artistic we leave
us yet?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, Bill, We've got to look beyond that. And that's
what cold of Man was saying. It's not about the
All Blacks purely. It's about having idols and superstars and
our own shores and keeping.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
On titles and superstars. I'm just about winning test matches.
So South Africa has won the last two World Cups,
yet it so does But I support our best players
getting the best money, they're still want to.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's the one question. So if you never see the
best players playing in Super Rugby, it doesn't bother you.
They basically come and play test rugby and disappear. That
that doesn't probably probably don't worry because that's what happens, right.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
We lose them more, well, you lose them more, but
this is going to play you never.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
They never hear it, you don't have your OK. I mean,
that's fine if that's the way you think.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
Well, what's the point here when they're going to make
so much money overseas.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But it's all about their money. If they want to
be about their money, it can that's fine. Knock yourself
out and disappear. But I think from ends it are
the all blacks are thinking here is you see them,
you want to be them. You go to the games,
you go to Super rugby games. You're superstars to see
them there. They are part of your community and you're
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sporting identity, and you need that to promote the game.
You need that to lift kids into playing the game.
If they just flying in a lea jet three times
a year and played test rugby, what does that say
to you? About the all breaks. I don't think they
represent us anymore, and I think that's pretty important. That's
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just me. Hey David, how are you?
Speaker 9 (22:36):
Yeah? Good mate? No, you play for your country. Have
how many young five eights around the country kind of
getting the all breaks? And why bend over back for
to one person? It just doesn't suit well with me,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
No, I think that's fair. I think Richie knew what
he was doing and he made that decision, and good
on him. I'd do it too, but oh you had
no good luck to him?
Speaker 9 (23:04):
But why go Capnandro?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I didn't meant to swear.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Sorry, it's tough past seven that This is sports talk
on News Talk z B. Lines were open eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. We're going to go now to Steve.
Good Steve, how are you?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Thank you?
Speaker 11 (23:27):
Many?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
The answer is no, you don't change the law, don't
change the rules. No, yeah, long term does it need
to be tweaked?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Do you think?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
No? No? Not in my opinion, d'arcity not at all?
Don't I He went, He's gone and that's the end
of it. We got a great with ten. He's waking
out of player and he'll come right are coming?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Good.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, what Commormins was saying, before you get a situation
where we've got no Lockstock, what's going on? We're finished,
We've lost Brady Retellic and Sam white Lock and who
stood up this see and said, no, you're fine. You see,
it does happen. And there are going to be times,
aren't there when there's going to be a void that's
difficult to fill?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Absolutely there is. You know, wasn't so long ago that
Grant Grant Fox was at the end or of everything.
So each moved on and we've moved on.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
And I suppose the big thing here is that is
it does keep better players here and maybe not the
best player, maybe we lose the best players. But is
that that is that hugely important?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Lask All just wants to win it all costs. I
tend to the fact that we need to have our
players playing in New Zealand, to be characters to look
up to, to be part of.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
It's still at a national game, isn't it rugby?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
And and it's like it must be like putting on
all back jersey must be must be the highlight of
everyone's career.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It has to be.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It's never been something that I've wanted, but you know,
I love it and I love watching it, but I've
never wanted to do it. I don't have that commitment myself.
But you know, to go off and chase money, I
suppose they have to. I suppose I'm being a bit
naive here and I suppose.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But well, they've got a choice. They're still wanting to
be made. But if you do open it up, and
that's the other question, would people be comfortable with the
fact that we have all blacks who make an absolute
fortune and our world teachers and we never see them
here because that's the payoff? Do we really want that? No,
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it might just come down to something as simple as that.
And I think the ends are are going, Oh, we
don't want to lose control of this.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
We can't.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's too valuable. And so there.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I hope they don't know. It's a great but it's
a gravy training.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You play for X amount of time and then you
go overseas, even if they adjusted. So there's the Mactoe rule.
So after you've represented the country fifty times, you can
go over seas something like that. But they can't do
it in a hurry cab. They can't go ah, we
need them. Let's go. And this is all based on
what Scott Robinson saying. I don't like our first five eights.
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Can we have Richie back please? So you're gonna bend
everything on the whims of one coach.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's he's the wrong man for the job, I believe,
but we don't want to get into it right now.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Let's wait till June. Steve, thanks very much for your call.
It's twenty four minutes away from eight o'clock the first set.
Routelift and Venus have gone down six to four in
that first set. Semi final Mixed doubles Australian Open, Gadecki
and Peers holding court. Excuse the pun currently try and
(27:00):
keep up today with that as it carries on and
on routeleft. Caught up with her earlier on in the day.
She actually spoke to us before she played a Grand
Slam tennis match. How cool. We'll talk about this, that
and the other that'll be happening about ten minutes time.
Meantime lines rape and I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
change the rule right now to get Richie back.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Na.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
This is news talkslo and.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
If you're money, change how the fuel chute twenty minutes
to eight Sports Talk on News talking to b Lines
(27:47):
raping eight hundred eighty ten eighty just change the lore
and get Richie back. No, don't. More I think about it,
the more firm I become on this they should have
even gone on Lass in the first place. Makes them
look silly, doesn't it.
Speaker 12 (28:02):
Wayne, Absolutely day on my to receive with you on
this one.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
It seems odd that they've got a real strict set
of parameters. Yeah, if they think they might want them
back because it wasn't quite right, they'll crawl over broken
rock to do it. It just makes them look.
Speaker 12 (28:22):
Silly, I think so. And I think it doesn't bode
well for those that are aspiring, you know, for that
step up from super rugby and maybe they're you know,
even coming along as just done New Zealand twenties. They're
breaking into super rugby. They could be the next camp
of the rank. And I actually think that at the
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end of the day, maybe it's just Robertson who's not
backing his coaching ability, Like he's got players there, so
why was he not just using these players opposed to
having to go to Mywonger and say hey, you have about
your ditchal that money over there and come back to
the Orblacks. He's done his time at the orb Blacks.
He chose to go taste the money and fear called
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of that too. I don't disagree what I'm going and
getting the money, but I think we need to focus
on the talent we've got at home and run with that.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I don't think it's Richie's fault in the situation, if
ends it are at the at the whim I'm presuming
of Scott Robertson go and try and get him back.
And it's not Richie's problem. He's not part of this,
shouldn't have been roped into it. It's the embarrassment of
having to go and saying, can we somehow I get
out of this because I think that rule's not that great.
(29:36):
That's embarrassing more than silly.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Yeah, and if you're you know so, I am a
white g Own chief supporter. So obviously we've for got
dem On now, you know, top of the pop kind of.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Well, he ripped Island to shreds. He was amazing in
that game. I'll give him that.
Speaker 12 (29:56):
Yeah, you look at where's plumberg on he's obviously saying,
well ship, you know, excuse me if you know Robertson's
going well, Actually, I don't think we've got any good
fears for I was coming up. I want to get
Richie back and he's failed, so I were going to
lose more time.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, if you've got in Wayne, thanks very much for
your call. If you have young players coming through going on,
I don't like this process. I don't like the system
they've got here. Maybe I just run away. Anyway, it's
a dangerous game they're playing, very fraught.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Derek.
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Yeah, I was just wondering what would happen if Breshimoonger
did an interview on one of the stations and said,
I'm actually desperate to play for the All Blacks. I've
actually talked to my Japanese club and they give me
the okay and they're ready to release me whenever the
All Blacks are playing. I reckon that we're putting this
hill in a Rabia in a pretty difficult position. If
a player came out publicly and said I'm desperate to play.
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I think I'm the best number ten, and I'm not
the only one who thinks that, and I'm desperate to
play for the All Blacks, and I wonder how they
would react to a player going public and saying how
despert is to represent New Zealand. I reckon it would
really put New Him and Arabia into a pretty difficult position.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
But they've got they explore the international when are they
good with it? They want their players to represent. They've
got a whole lot of South African's playing over there
and they let them go. They want that to happen,
So I think there's a problem. I don't know. It's
just that their own laws mean they tie themselves up knots,
and the complexities around the sabbaticals are so difficult to negotiate.
(31:30):
It makes it really difficult. So it's on ends that
are But they shouldn't go back. Richie made his decision.
Speaker 11 (31:41):
And also South Africa is providing at the moment. I mean,
am I the only one that sees that they're providing
a formidable challenge right now?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
They're amazing. The public need to get to see them.
Speaker 11 (31:54):
Look, I actually only up tonight and you probably probably
knew this call was coming. I got I'm not trying
to tell you how to do an interview. It's your show.
But I got really annoyed and upset when Colin Man
went on about the English Premier League being filled with foreigners,
and then he made that crack about England's never won
the World Cup. I mean, come on, that's a silly,
silly thing to say there was more young players than then.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
That was, wasn't me?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
Yeah, I know, And it's a different I have thought
that out.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
The very different competitions I suppose, And what he's just
saying is he doesn't want a situation similar bit different
where the game gets flooded with foreigners.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Nationals and they can raise that.
Speaker 11 (32:35):
That can raise the level of performance and competition. Let's
not forget that, and that would bring through, that would
raise the talent for a lot of young players coming
out of the NPC. And I watched the NPC this year.
Does he surprising?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It was?
Speaker 11 (32:47):
It was a great comp and you saw so many
good young players and good crowds and great support and
a lot of good television coverage.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
It has to be said.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
And I'll tell you what if Scott Robinson wants to
lower his eyes away from the super Rapi guys and
always dissatisfied with the talent that he's seeing he couldn't
go too far wrong with having a look at.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Some of these and that's the idea and that's the desire. Derek,
thanks very much for your core as always trying to
tell me how to do it. Abew, that wasn't my fault,
it was Colin. A very different games, weren't they, EPL
versus All Black Rugby, Super rugby. So different, so different,
(33:28):
so much more money, so much bigger, so many more
people involved. AnyWho. That's it for this segment of the program.
Gaddiki and Piers are running away with this mixed doubles
semi final in Australia, six four in the first, three
(33:49):
to one in the second. But on the day I
managed to corner Routlift. Have we chat with her about
this game and about what's coming up on Friday to
seven quite the tournament. She's up next, You're on.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
News Talks HEB.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Eight. Earlier today I caught up with doubles tennis player
Aaron Rattler for Erin. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Hi, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
How are you well? Probably not as tired as you are.
You really been quite a lot oft, didn't you. Mixed
doubles women's doubles all on the same day. Is that sensible?
Do you think erin.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Yeah, it's all good. It's normal at slams. I think
a lot of people when you play doubles in mixed
you get doubled up. So it's just something you I mean,
it's a good, good problem to have.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
What do you how do you go about preparing for
something like that? You've done it before playing, As you said,
it's something that happens. Is there a particular method to
go about putting your best foot forward in both fixtures?
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Just focusing on like the first one match at a time.
I think, just preparing with the heat. I Hi traded
a lot, proper nutrition, all that stuff, getting enough sleep. Yeah,
just the basic thing.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
So nothing's changed. You just at her a following proceeds.
It's that symbol. Yeah, exactly when it comes to the
disciplines and how you play with each partner. With Michael Wall,
with Gabby, how does that adjust in your preparation? What's
the difference in exchanges with the female or male?
Speaker 8 (35:23):
They're both pretty positive and they bring a good energy,
so it's not too different.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Honestly.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
The only main thing is with Gabby I play on
the duce side with Mike, I play on the ID,
so that's pretty different, so I have to adjust my
game a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Wait, so is that a personal preference or just the
way the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Gabby likes to play on the odd and Mike likes
to play on the deuce, So I just played the
other one.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yesterday after what happened, you were very complimentary of Gabby,
and I think you got a bit Cussie on it.
She saved your ass and a few other nice expletives too,
So you got to love that. We've got a lot
of love for Gabby, haven't you.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Yeah? Yeah, she was amazing yesterday at the Nut. I
was struggling a little bit with my serve and she was, Yeah,
a star up there.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
So what happens in between you're playing today with Michael,
then you're playing your women's doubles matches. As far as now,
it's getting to the point at end. What happens with training?
What happens with setting yourself up? What's the process.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
It's just a hit for thirty minutes before every match.
There's not really any training. It's just warm ups. Now, Yeah,
that's it. And so you're just like in the gym
for like forty five minutes before that and then you
warm up and then play your match.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So when you're playing, so you're ranked second seed, so
you've obviously got favoritism. I don't know what your history's
like at Margaret Court specifically, what difference does that make.
You're taking on Gadecki and Peers. Where do they sit
in the widest scheme of things and what do they
bring to the court? Do you think?
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Erin, Yeah, they're a great team. They've had three really
good wins and we haven't played Australians yet and so
we've actually had the crowd on our side with all
the kiwis coming here to sport, it's been awesome. So
maybe today they all might they might have more of
the crowd, but I'm sure the cues will still come
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and support. But yeah, I mean they're both really good players.
Mike knows Peers pretty well, I know Gadeki. Yeah, we're
just excited to get the opportunity to play.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Does that make for a more entertaining match for the
players themselves? That you know the people over the net
and I presume this is quite common, does that just
add an extra but a spark to the fixture, maybe
lessen the aggression. Possibly.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Uh No, we all know each other by this point.
We're playing the same people every week basically. The only
one that is different is like when we play mixed.
Obviously we don't know the men that well and the
men don't know the women that well. But yeah, now
at this point we know everybody, So everybody knows everybody.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
You've mentioned the hate before, Aaron, and dealing with that.
I don't know what we're looking like today because I'm
hiding an air conditioning. But again, something you just have
to get used to. There's any specific method you use there.
Speaker 8 (38:12):
No, the last few days were really hot, but it's cool,
doubt a lot. It's like only twenty degrees today, and
I think it'll be like that for the rest of
the tournament. You just use ice packs on changeovers, hydra, yeah,
just the basic stuff. But yeah, it's not gonna be
too hot for the rest of the tournament, so that's nice.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I think I know what you're gonna say here, Aaron Rautler.
But the energy from victory in one discipline, does that
transfer to the next discipline? Light you get it going today?
Does that mean in your semi final in the women's doubles.
It adds a little extra you have to kind of
separate it all out.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
I don't even think about the anything except for the
match that I'm playing in the moment, Like I'll focus
on the one today. I'm not even thinking about my semi,
my woman's semi. To be honest, I just am going
one match at a time.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So when I bring it up, you get a bit like,
I'll come on, mate, Really, I've told you might be
focusing on the one, you know, But we can't help ourselves.
We're interesting and what happens wait Thursday or Friday. So
you're not.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
Angry, No, no, god, no, I understand people. People always
are like, oh, what's happening in the future. You think
about winning, winning the tournament, blah blah blah. But nah,
that's not something we think about because you got to
focus on what you need.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
To do at They hear them now the phrase be present,
very very important. But I'm not going to be prison
and I'm going to look forward. It's number two seeds
playing number three seeds. What's your history like with the oppositions?
Off the pinko and say, I think it's how you
pronounce your name.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
They are new teams, so we've played them separately quite
a few times, but never together. So yeah, it'll be
a great match. There are two amazing doubles players, Grand
Slam winners like multiple times. So yeah, we're we're excited
and we're ready and yeah we'll do our We'll watch
them play a little bit and uh yeah, figure out
(40:00):
how we're how we're going to try and win.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I'm gonna be impressed with how fay you've come considering
gavid Rowski with it breast cancer scare and she took
a bit of time off, which hold the proceedings somewhat
and understandably so, so her return to the court and
the success you're having it says a lot about her
mental strength and about your support as well. Eran, Yeah,
(40:22):
that was.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
A heavy thing to deal with last year, and all
credit to her. She's been absolutely incredible. It just makes
everything you know, she achieved and we achieved together even better. Obviously,
very happy to be on the other side of it,
and she'll have to, you know, keep up with her
health and her checks and all that stuff. But yeah,
it was definitely really scary. I've never known anyone near
(40:45):
me to have a cancer scare. So yeah, it was
a lot, but honestly, it's incredible to be besides somebody
that you know has such an inspiring story.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I suppose it puts into perspective what you're doing for
a living. It's just a net and a couple of bulls, right.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
Yeah, exactly, it's exactly what it did. It really brings
perspective to everything, for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
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Speaker 3 (41:17):
It was Aaron Routler, the New Zealand's tennis player born
in New Zilla, moved to Canada, then saw seats and
decided to represent the country of her birth. Currently in
the doubles match with Venus, looks like they're going to
get flight six four four three at the moment, and
of course Gabby Dobrowski, her doubles partner, and the women's
doubles are there in the semi finals of the Aussie
(41:38):
Open coming up on Friday. Wonderful character, lovely lady, very
generous with her time and even kinder to produce her
Andy Duff because she said yes when he rang up
and pested. He's not a producer, he's a pest and
your pista well, Andy Duff, thanks for your time, are
(41:59):
thanks to all of you for calling, for texting, for listening.
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