February 19, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap this week's sporting news - On today's agenda:
Former Black Cap Chris Cairns previews the Champions Trophy.
NZME Super Rugby Fantasy maestro Christopher Reive explains why you probably picked the wrong players for the first week of the comp.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good Evening, Welcome into sports Talk. Great to have y'all
on board seven up to seven it is. It's Wednesday,
nineteenth feb twenty twenty five. My name is Darcy. Good
Evening Sport with a couple of chrisses and a few
more of you as well. Coming up between now on
nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Toward the end of the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Show, we'll talk Chris Ree from the New Zealander Herald.
He's our resident fantasy pig. Not like that he indulges
in fantasy is in a piggish manner. He loves fantasy
sport and he rolls in that mud. That's what I'm Yes,
it could be misconstrued. I give you that Chris loves
is fantasy football. Chris loves is fantasy pretty much everything
(01:15):
in the league. So after one week of Fantasy Super
Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five, I'd be nice to catch
up with Chris and find out exactly what we've learned,
what we haven't learned, what to do, what want to do.
I think quite a few people have actually brought into
this good idea and not I don't know why a
better crack like an idiot. But we'll talk with Chris
Reeve about that sooner rather than later. The other Chris,
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we're going to be speaking with them the programs, Chris Cans,
Christopher Cans, who managed to score a mighty ton when
the black Caps actually won a trophy way way way
back in the dark ages two thousand it whilst yes,
since then they've picked up the World Test Championship. There's
a long time of not a lot to shout about.
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But will it change? This week? Tonight at ten o'clock
it gets Underweight champions Trophy and Kistan Chris Kens joins
us to preview that and then we'll take your calls
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There are so many
so called major cricket events, pinnacle events globally right now.
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If you look at a skyline, for example, there are
not any peaks that stand out. It's just a series
of peaks. You don't know where to look. So the
relevance to you of this Champion's trophy and that expands
to will you even stay.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Up for it?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Doesn't matter who wins? Is there any point in having this?
How can they make it. I know exactly what this
guy was talking about yesterday. How can they make this
a more digestible tournament? And I say that because someone
messaging yesterday and said you sound like having a stroke.
(03:02):
Now it's called a pause for an effect. I'm not
having a stroke anyway. Chris Can is going to join
as shortly your course of eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
But before we do that, we always do this Today
Enns for today tonight, Stampion's Trophy owner sees hosts box
down have a crack at the black Caps, with rolled
mud being the pitch order of the day. Coach Stead
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has outlined his requirements for his pacer Deeck.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You've got to really bash the wicket hard. I think
the most successful bowlers have found the right length to
bowl as well. They're certainly a lot steadier than wickets
that we have in New Zealand. So pulling your length
back are we but still finding the top of the stumps.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It's like home for us anyway. Spend so much time
on the subcontinent. The game since its teeth in at
ten km tonight, Chiefs coach CLAYT. McMillan has already been
confronted with the demon of injury and Super Rugby Pacific,
he's been forced to keep Damien McKenzie at fallback as
his other options don't exist in the Nani stro Poper's
(04:05):
hammi last week against the Blues and k Traski you
played in the development game against the Blues fail on
the afternoon after dorklif he that has hamstream so they
then obviously shoots not here, so sort of three of.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Our other viable fullback options there a ding dumb.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Ed ding, do all right and thanks Gibber. Alex Rufer
is pretty keen to monster the league leaders Auckland FC
in this weekend's derby. A month on the sideline followed
by only twenty five minutes last week on return just asn't.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Enough personally, I could play up to sixty minutes. You
know that might be pushing a little bit, but look
like you know you want to play in derby's, you
want to play in big games, and you want to
play against the best teams in Auckland are the best team,
and you know I want to play as much as
possible and have the team as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Jem must bite to have to say that about the
other team and you see in Auckland other best team out.
I feel like you're playing Alex and Sir Lewis Hamilton
was the crowd favorite and Formula One season launched after
running away from Mercedes. He's mad, excited about life in
a SCUDERI a fair He's like a kid again.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
He's invigorating because I feel so full of life and
so much energy because everything's new and just focused on
once up ahead. I'm so proud to be a part
of the team, something new and exciting.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm a massive Ferrari fan, had been my entire life.
But I'll watch yourself, Lewis. This is one of the
only teams I've seen not once, not twice, but three
times and a pit stuff only have three wheels, terrifying.
They are prone to making some horrendous errors. It's hope
it's not the case this time around.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's told it's after seven and only hours away and
now from the start of the Champion's Trophy. It has
been a lot of lead up, a lot of build
up to this event and finally we've got an event
with actually a target. There's something at the end of it.
It's not bilateral, it's not a friendly, it's not a
crazy one off. It's actually a tournament.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Cool to talk.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
About that, Chris kenns cap all round it being there done,
that scored a ton when they won the Champions Trophy
back in two thousand and he joins us to talk
about that many other things. Cricket. Chris, I trust you
well and I'm looking forward to the entertainment. Must be
hard for you looking at the Champions Trophy which does
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start at ten o'clock and Pakistan without going all the
way back in history to that wonderful day when the
black Caps actually won something of promise and prominence and
you scored the tone and hit the woitning run. So
you got to go back there memory lane, don't you, Chris.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
It was more the fact that annam PERORI and he
broke my back when he jumped on me sort of
as we were running off the field, which is sort
of quite a that's actually that's one of my most
vivid memories made of sort of turning around and seeing
mAbs sort of sprinting towards me and I'm going, it's
not slowing down, so boom, I collected him and and
we headed off the field and yeah, look it was
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a it was a it was a wonderful I mean,
might put in perspective. Look we only won three games, right,
so I mean we won a global trophy. We big
zim I didn't play the semi asu, we won the
first machigan zim I played the sim against Pakistan. Roger
Two's played really really well in that and so contributions
from everybody and then in the final against the good
Indian side and so made it was. It was really
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rewarding with a good group of guys and also you know,
onder Tristy and Jeff Crow to sort of share that,
and you know, and the late Christopher Dorg was in
the dressing room with us on that on that moment
as well.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, one of the better CEOs I think New Zealand
Crickets ever had.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Chris still you.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Look back with you roast in to classes because it
was a wonderful time and I still remember how stoked
I was watching that. So we're doing it a lot
over again. But let's talk about the Champions Trophy and
where it actually sits in the landscape of cricket, because
it is such a congested skyline now with peaks all
over the show. I'm not even sure where this sits.
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Do you know? Do the players not? Does anybody know?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (08:07):
I think you're right, sir, I mean, just looking at
him made so it's the first time it's been played
since twenty seventeen, so we're talking eight years since they've
sort of dusted it off and brought it back out.
I mean we've had COVID in between that and whatnot,
so it seems to be, you know, a bit of
an after thought.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We've got the ICC T.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Twenty World Cup, there's the fifty over comp and then
you know, there's this sort of I suppose shortened high
Intensity Champions Trophy game where the top eight teams and
you know, you go through so effectively made it sort
of cuts out all the bollocks of a World Cup
at the beginning, and you know, you get down to
the business end and that's essentially what this is. So
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it's you know, you've got to you've got to win
from the start, and you know every match matters.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Simplicity. I think this is something that a lot of
us really treasure in this day and age where there's
so many complexities and nuance around so many competitions in sport.
This is nice and simple. Two groups of four, the
top two from each group play in the semi finals,
you have a final, and then bang, it's all over.
There's something refreshing about that, Chris.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
Yeah, it sort of goes back to us, like to
ninety two and the World Cup when we had the
nine teams and everybody played everybody, and you know, and
it was every every match, every match counted. And the
good thing with this tournament and may compared to some
of the elongated tournaments that they've done now to sort
of get extra games for you know, broadcast contracts and
revenues and delivering matches, et cetera, this is every every
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game now will be a good game or a good match,
and so you know that's the positive side to it.
You shouldn't sit through too many one side or lopside
of games, so you know, the players will have to
be up for it straight away. Where where it sort
of sits or is going forward? You know, I don't know,
you know, I really I really don't. But look it's
only I think, what it's only a week and a
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half or two weeks, you know, compared to a five
or six week of a World Cup, so you know
it's a bit of a in there and and.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Sort of thrash it out and we'll get a winner.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You look at relevance and it is hard, isn't it?
Because things are shifting, and they're shifting so quickly in
world cricket where the power actually lies with the players,
with the the T twenty franchises worth, the I c
C worth the b c C I. So it's reached
the stage now there's a lot going on. It's quite chaotic,
and I expect that's going to eventually flatten out and
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we'll understand actually where the strengths are. But that's It's
it's still a long road.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Isn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
Yeah, you and I, You and I've talked about this
format with the you know, where where is cricket currently sitting.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Around? Who owns it?
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Will predominantly the b C C I own it and
then you know the ic C obviously are the main
cricket boards of England and where England and Australia.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But you know, I think we've we're sort of starting
to see.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
Now there's a not a young cricket actually he's been
around for a while govern the name Alex Hales and
English and Englishman. He's just been contracted by one of
the Indian franchises to play Global T twenty cricket for
their sort of several franchises that they have dotted around
the world and most stick to twenty leagues. So so
it could really be the start of the beginning. And
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I'm sure there's other players out there who are doing
the same thing, foregoing an opportunity within their home board
or you know, we haven't seen a big name tip
over yet, mate, with regards to jumping ship, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean when we saw of Live Golf come out
and do its thing.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
You know, we saw some big names go across from
the PGA across sided to Live. We haven't seen a
massive name like Steve Smith. For example. Say I'm forgoing
an international contract or a national contract with Australia. I'm
now going to contract myself to Mumbai Indians or a
year round and you know what's the value of Steve
Smith to them all year round? Is it five million
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US dollars?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Is a six? Is at eight? Is at ten? I
don't know, So we yet to see that happen, but
it won't be too far away. I don't think can.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
We actually get to the cricket, because that's an important
thing that New Zealand have got, but more than a
starters chance of actually doing well on this time, and
haven't they?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, I think they have made.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
I mean then the leader, you know, their form has
been performs been great, but then you look at the
woman's T twenty and the form was horrendous and the
things winning the tournament. I think these tournaments are like that, right.
I don't think you can take any form before the
tournament as any indicator whatsoever. And so it comes into
winning that first match. You know, you get a good
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feel within the camp and you get a roll on.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Made.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
The teams that win first up I think sort of
give themselves a huge chance in the tournament straight away.
And New Zealand's done all the front running against Pakistan
and the two matches that had just previously in the
warm up played brilliantly, you know, led really really well
by Mitch Satner both him embracefall bowling, you know, twenty
oers of quality spin. Matt Henry just continues to do
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what he does. You know, Willow Rourkes's he's going to
be special and then you know, I've got those power
heads in the middle, so that they've got a really
nice unit New Zealand. But look, we always have a
nice unit, so you know. But I puck done first
up in Pakistan, not having had any international tournament there
for twenty years. They were on a massive hot streak
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leading into the matches against New Zealand. They hadn't lost
any matches so and they chased down three to fifty
I think against South Africa as well.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
In the tournament. So that's a dangerous, dangerous team.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
So if you get the crowd going and they get
their tails up, I think Harris Ralf I'm not sure
if he's stor injured, but if he comes back, you
know they've got a strong, quick bowling trio.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So they're going to really dangerous made.
Speaker 8 (13:40):
If New Zealand can get up over this'll that'll set
them up.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Really really well for the rest of the tournament.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The Mike Cassen on the show last week talking about
the patch and the nature of the pitch and it's
basically rolled mud, so it's going to be high scoring,
so don't panic too much. If Pakistan score a pile
of runs, because all the gears there for New Zealand
to do exactly the same thing. But you mentioned spinners before.
It's more than spinning, as was pointed out too by Hessin.
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When you look at what Santa do, it's not about turn,
it's about it's about bounce, it's about bite, it's about speed.
It's all these different things. And that's something I think
you'll find that not only his Menchell sand to God
in space, but but you believe that brace was on
his way there too.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah, and just been exposed to those conditions to us,
you know, having spent time over there both you know, braceful.
Santana is should we say, edging closer to being Tory,
like he's still I mean, dan Vatory is still one
of the best one day bottles I've ever seen. His
his ability to control place, so his speed, no, no
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delivery was the same with a very you know, completely
discernible change of action. And you know he had a
wonderful armball, but his control was superb And and so
Satan is getting into that sort of realm. As I say,
he's away a way way away from you know, the
quality of a Tory consistently. But when we start to
talk about where Satna is, you know, that's the pathway
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that he's on. So he controls that game really nicely,
and I think Bracelet feeds off that He's got a
captain that's a spinner, that knows how to set the
fields and knows what's going on, and so they've got
a nice combination. They're throwing Phillips, who's also probably I mean,
he's better than a part timer, so if they need
overs from him, and then you've got the quick who
will sort of you know, they're all heading the back
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pretty hard, so there's no easy overs with that New
Zealand lineup. And New Zealand have always been a good
feeling side, so they pride themselves on that. So yeah, look,
if I was Pakistan, I'm nervous about playing New Zealand. However,
given Pakistan at home for the first time in an
international tournament in over two decades, New Zealand doing nervous
as well.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You're old like me, how long Chris Ken's and a
couple of words before you turn in, I mean you're
going to get the first couple of hours under your belt.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Are well made them over the fifty.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So it's going to have a little kip like sort
of a now ish and then then and then sort
of watch it and see how we go.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But I do think it's going to be a good game.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
But they just they just can't let the crowd get
into into the Pakistan and sort of side and get
alongside with them, because that's when Pakistan are really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
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Speaker 2 (16:26):
Chris Canzie are joining the program. Chris can of course
form a black cap and all rounder who scored one
hundred not out, including the winning runs when Adam Brory
nearly broke us back. According to that chat right at
the very end, and just looking across at this tournament
and in the general state of a tournament in ICC,
crickets are very it's a it's a mixed up, crazy world.
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It's quite convoluted at the moment. I don't think there's
much clarity when it comes to pinnacle events in cricket.
So my question, do you hear, I'm plainly interested in
whether you're actually going to indulge in this or not,
because the timing is horrible unless you're insomniac or of
a night shift worker.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You're not going about to watch it, right, It's a
pinnacle tournament, but it isn't. It means something but doesn't
mean anything. It's hard to work out which the pinnacle
tournaments actually are because the ICC, through the BCCI and
every other major organization seem dead set on having events
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of huge import every half an hour, which completely detracts
from the weight of these events. Can we win this?
I'd say yes we can because it's short and sharp,
and it's easily defined. Win games, win tournament simple, and
it's short, mercifully short, which is good. What defines a
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pinnacle cricket event to you? If you look at a
cross four, five, six, seven years, what stands out as
a cricketing event that you will crawl over broken glass
to look at? What is it? There's plenty of them.
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You might be an IPL fan. You look at the
final on that and go, this is the biggest, craziest,
most expensive league in world cricket. I'm all over. This
has got keep it. I'm in World Test Championship. Is
that something that tickles your fancy? The One Day International
World Cup. And let's remember that One day International cricket
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is a shadow of what it used to be. When
it first turned up, it was the lovely, shiny new toy.
Everybody loved that, everyone got involved in it. It was
something else to behold because it overtook what was seen
as a pretty sad, tired, stayed Test scene. But since
the advent of tea twenty Monday, national cricketers has faded
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something as well. It's only when the One Day World
Cup turns up that people get interested in again. Then
they forget about it. Bilateral series. Is the T twenty
World Cup the one? Or does that not smack of
real cricket to you? Because it is short, sharp, hit
and giggle and should probably only be franchise cricket. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What determines the pinnacle event
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and cricket for you? What is the one you look
forward to? What's the one you'll clear the desks, take
the holiday, ignore the family and watch I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. I know that I didn't sleep for
six days in the World Test Championship because I couldn't
help myself, because I loved it so much. This to
me stands out because it's something slightly different from the
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morass of bilateral series and it's not T twenty franchise cricket.
I think it is important yourself. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty, let me know, like to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
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Speaker 1 (20:12):
We've got the breakdowns on sports talk call eight hundred
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Speaker 3 (20:19):
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Speaker 2 (20:21):
Side of whiskey.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
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Speaker 7 (20:25):
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Speaker 3 (20:28):
Everybody had barket sports dos.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
On news talks.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Ev The big difference here for me, it's truncated only
eight teams, the top eight teams in the world, so
you get rid of all the staff of World Cup.
So it becomes immediately effective as competition. So that interests me.
Time the night's not great, but it doesn't matter. I'll
do anything to watch sport, especially cricket. But it's a
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point of difference, that's what doesn't to me. It's something
remarkably different from what we've experienced. You get the feeling
that the amount of T twenty we see, the amount
of T twenty leagues we see the T twenty World Cup,
which happens every half an hour. There's nothing new. At
least this has a point of difference. It's a highly
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concentrated competition with the best eight teams in the world.
There are no gimme matches, no Sri Lanka for example,
West Indies. So for me, that does represent the pinnacle
of one day's national cricket, where one dan's national cricket
actually sits in the widest scheme. I think that I
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can't tell you because we all have our preferences with
the game of cricket. But these are the things that
determine an event that I want to watch. Scarcity and
the fact that New Zealand has got a very good
chance of winning because New Zealand performed very well in
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these short form competitions. They're do after getting knocked out
in semis and beaten in finals without rageous margins. I
feel what this New Zealand team does have what it
takes to win. Now there's a couple of very powerful
thought processes behind that reasoning for me, and this is tonight.
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It cannot be done any further than tonight. You start
looking too far ahead, you're in trouble. Worry about Pakistan
in front of you tonight. The pressure on Pakistan performing
at home will be too much for them to carry.
It's an oppressive weight for this team in front of
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their mad cricket fans, against the team that tipped them
up just recently. I think they'll want it too much.
And then you look at the nature of the New
Zealand side. It's a slow changing side, but you're starting
to see big changes in personnel because there are new
responsibilities now heaped on younger players. There's a new captain
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in the form of Mitch sent is a cunning man
the captains. The way he bowls, it's a huge improvement
of what he does. Ane of the fast bowling phalanx
is quite something else. The tweakers are good and we've
got some aggressive batsman it looks like Russian Revender. It
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will be playing. He's been in the nets helmet on
plainly after that smacking the head that he got. These
are our future players and Conway's inform. Go figure, there's
enough for me to buy into this is this pinnacle
enough for you to actually watch and we talk about
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and we complain about the fact that to a degree
New Zealand cricket, mister trick by having nothing on of
any great significance during the summer months. Here you test cricket,
and I think they did make a mistake. If their
focus on one dance national cricket actually turns out with
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a championship trophy, fantastic, But the energy and the momentum
of a summer of cricket was whipped out from underneath
us just when we were looking forward to this gone
and it's not helpful at all. So a little too late.
I remember that the Pakistani's coming here after this seems like
an add a strange tack onto the end of the season.
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For me, it's a pinnacle event because it is. It's rare.
We don't see it much. It's got the best teams
in world cricket not tacked on some guys should be
shouldn't be rule due respect Ireland, Ireland and the like.
Not there. It's such an easily understandable format too. Top
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eight teams split into two groups. One group plays each
other once, the other one plays each other once. You
end up with four of the best. They play semi finals,
bang final win all over. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty enough for you, is this dragging you back into
cricket again or have you got one eye on super rugby.
I wouldn't blame it if you did. It's run through
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a couple of texts down nineteen nineties. He'd be z
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I remember the last time we won the Champions Trophy.
It was awesome. No one cared about the rugby in
the league. It has just started, so go to the
black Caps. I think the focuses disappear. We've been waiting
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for so long for Super rugby to start anticipating because
there's been no consumable local sport around it. Now Super
rugby stole on the march on this Champions trophy. It
doesn't help. It's in Pakistan, so other side of the night.
We can turn out cricket players all day if we
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can play more international teams. That sadly, and Chris Ken's
touched on before. As cricket changes, and as cricket there's
a tug of war between the players and the BCCI
and the ICC. So many people wanting as much as
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they can out of this. And until that gets settled,
and this will take quite some time that the international
playing Ross is going to be very, very difficult. The
more players they get at a T twenty level that
want to play up here and they want to play
Caribbean League, they want to play in South Africa, the
more money is generated, they're the less likely players are
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going to want to turn out for their country. There's
not enough money in it for them and they are
wildly underpaid in the IPL. And when there's some kind
of parity with other major sporting leagues because it is
a major league, then will see players less likely to
want to turn out for their countries. So daniell have
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a situation like football where there are designated windows for
internationals and the rest of the time you're earning your
money by playing these leads. That's the way it's going
and the way it's being handled by New Zealand Cricket,
who are taking a softly softly approached to this, treating
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very very carefully I think is sensible the way they
deal with us. Don't get too excited, Darcy, says Steve.
The black Caps are noun for having a run of
form then falling over when it counts. I don't know, Steve,
if you look at their record over the last few
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years they've actually got I would like to say it
has it a guess, one of the better records and
tournaments in international cricket in the last decade. They haven't
walked away with the big prize and that is grating.
But we have talked about this before. To be they
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were regulars and quarter finals didn't quite get any fair.
Then they became a regular in a semi final, it
didn't get any fun. Then they became a regular knocking
on the doors of finals they didn't get further, is
that next step with this new generation of players that
are actually going to bout to do something that the
previous generation couldn't do. I think they all backed themselves.
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It's a lot on it. Eighty ten eighty. If it's
a pinnacle or not, what denotes that in international cricket
might not even be relevant anymore. International cricket Still to
come on the program, we have Chris Reeve joining us.
He's hell in heralded writer writes on a number of sports.
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He's a fantasy sport league addict. He runs a rule
over Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific. It's a competition that started
last week seems to have attracted quite a lot of
interest from people right across the sporting landscape. Talk to
him about that next time. What we learned in the
first week and how to apply that in week number two.
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That's Chris Reeve coming up shortly. Heroin you still here,
you see on the heralds here are maestra. When it
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comes to Fantasy Rugby, well you are now. You've been
looking after it. You've been overseeing what goes on with
the what's the big insid me group that people can
join up with?
Speaker 9 (29:42):
I think it's just got super rugby ins in me.
But yeah, I've been trying to trying to figure things
out since it launched, going over the numbers and trying
to see who's good, who's who's gonna work for you?
And yeah, week one that did not pay off at all.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's the vagaries of the comp And that's why I've
got you in here, because people are doing it, and
maybe because I'm in sports so we're all talking about it.
But it's not just my sporting buddies. There are other
people I know who are like, oh, yeah, to go
to that fantasy it's quite interesting, isn't it. I think
it's interesting because it's pretty simple, and is that the
essence of it make it easy to understand and easy
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to play, the people will come.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
Yeah, it does seem like that's what they've done with
this product. It is at a very basic level of fantasy.
You know, they've given you a really decent budget. The
players aren't really overpriced or anything like that. You know,
everyone can have the same players. You can pick all
your favorite players, or you can do what I've done
and try and find the best players every week and
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put way too much time into it for very little,
very little outcome.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Very little return. So let's talk about what you've learned.
This is the key for me because when I was
putting my team together and I scored I don't know what,
four ninety nine points. This is pretty low brow, all
things said and done. But I'm looking at the variables,
looking at the nuances, and I presume they are in there.
What if you picked up that might be worth applying
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for round two?
Speaker 9 (31:11):
If anything, Well, you want some try scorers in your team,
that's for sure. A Week one really looked like a
backs game, right Like, if you have a try scorer,
one try is fifteen points, So someone's getting two tries.
That's thirty right off the bat, like Kyle Preston came
off the bench. I think zero point one percent of
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owners had him and the team. He's scored three tries
and got I think fifty odd points.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So tries are the big one. Where else is I
suppose points to be gained?
Speaker 9 (31:42):
Yeah, meters gained. You get one point for every ten meters.
So if you've got someone like Will Jordan at fullback
who's catching the ball running it back, you know that's
ten twenty meters right there, just on kick returns, if
he's kicking, if he's not kicking, kicking the ball back
front rows, they I think it's three points per scrum,
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one for all three in the front row hookers. Obviously
there are points for lineout's one as well, and line
out's lost same as locks in the same category. Line
out's one, line out stolen. Line out stolen is worth
about five points, So it's pretty good if you can
find a good lock who's going to get up and contest.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's where most of the points in the pack come.
You expect they're they're going to score the odd tribe,
But what about the tackles made, because that's where predominantly
your six, seven, and eight are going to start getting
some points.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Yeah, so it's pretty simple with tackles made. Tackle is
one point, miss tackle is minus one point. Then you
go to the like your number ten's Damien McKenzie. Like
I thought week one against the Blues, Damien McKenzie, probably
leave him alone. That's a tough matchup. Got to apologize
to Damien Damien McKenzie for having that theory because he
went out and absolutely smashed it. Penalties, converted conversions, you know,
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kicking points is obviously care as well. So a guy
like Damien McKenzie who's currently playing at fullback, running the ball,
scoring tries, breaking the line, assisting on all these things, the.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Line break's assist, there's pretty much every assist.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Line breaks, line break assists, defenders beaten. These are all
scoring things. So a guy like Damian mackenzie, he's probably,
I mean, this week, he's probably the number one guy
you want to bring into your team if you don't
already have them.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Chris Reeve joins us from New Zealand. Here we're looking
at Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five. You get
sent off, you're losing points, you get seen off for
the whole game. You've lost a pile more where else
can you lose?
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Miss tackles is obviously a key one. I've written down
a few here. Actually what else we got? Miss penalties, misconversions,
line outs stolen you're obviously the hooker loses a point. There,
so little bits and pieces like that. But there are
definitely more scoring categories, and there is missing like red
card I think is the most with a minus ten.
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Yellow is minus five.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
There's something else about this that is curious, for want
of a better word, and that is the positions we
select players, and I think this has been underestimated by
a lot of people. The positions are sorted out. You've
got the back three, you've got the loose forwards, you've
got the locks. About that goes on and on and on.
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Some players, though, have been identified in the game as
being something they're not necessarily getting picked that so you
might have let's talk about Cullen Grace for example. How's that?
How does this work? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
So I believe this is just based on where or
what position they're primarily listed as by the team. Coul
and Grace is a interesting one because yeah, he's obviously
listed at lock, but he plays loose forward more often
than not these days. And I think maybe in the
future you might see something kind of like what the
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NRL do. If a player can play in two positions,
they'll be listed in either and you can put them
either as a lock or or a loose forward. And
I think in the NRL they also adjust it throughout
the year. So if you've got someone who wasn't expected
to play, say center, they were just expected to play
second row. If they've played x amount of games at center,
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then they become second row and center.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But the moment doesn't sit like that. So you've got
someone like Grace who's listed as a lock, but if
he plays in the loose he's more than likely to
pick up a lot more points in that loose position,
but he's only sleeped as a lock. And this goes
to a number of other positions, and you look to
the back three because that's where the points are at.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Absolutely, I mean culin Grace seems to be a little
bit of a cheat code for lack of a better word,
it's not I guess there's not much of a cheat
code when everyone in the competition can have him, and
I expect, you know, after last week he was the
highest scoring lock, so I think he'll be, you know,
in a lot of teams this week. But yeah, you
look at guys who are listed in the midfield, who
are playing fullback or something like that. You know a
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lot of the points going to come from those full
back guys. All the tens so.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And another trick, and we've got to add this before
we let you go here, Chris Raven, thanks very much
for your time. You've got a ways of getting bonus.
One of those is so you can give a triple
captain so you get triple points. You can only do
it once for the entire competition, so choose it carefully.
But it's coming to matchups, isn't it. This is what
we're looking up here. So you need to find a
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dominant player who's playing a terrible team in a foreign
climb and that's where you start cashing. And so it's
little weed tips like that that are going to help
you score big points.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
Absolutely, being strategic around those boosters. I think that's really
one of the only strategic points this season. Like your players,
aren't you going up and down in price? So you
don't have to kind of factor that in. Your players aren't,
like I said before, they aren't getting that dual position status,
so you don't have to factor that in. So using
these boosters is really like the point of difference this season.
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And I mean, like you say on matchups, that's how
I would I would look at it. I'd probably wait
a few weeks and see who's good, who's who's not
so good. But I mean everyone who used their triple
captain on Damon McKenzie Week one got three hundred and
twelve points, So that's I mean, I wouldn't be surprised
if that's the best score of the season.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Forget the riffs call, you make a call.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
On eight eighty eight Sports Talk on your home of
sports use Talks have been Talk.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And New Zealand Herald's sportscribe Chris Reeve talking about Fantasy
Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five and there were some
really good tips in there. One of the key things
is how you use your boosters. There are three of
them available. You can only use each booster once throughout
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the entire season. I'll run through that again for you shortly,
and there's some other keys to this. I think matchups
is a massive one. I'll cover off more of that
answer a couple of texts coming up next here.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
On sportstork on.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Explain seven Minutester eight Sports took on news Talk because
zed B have had a text that's saying the Black
Cats flopped out of the Teachery World Cup last year,
didn't They? Yes, sprint they did, but you know you
can't win them all. They should have advanced a lot
further and quite frankly, that was an absolute embarrassment and
for those of you they have chosen to flush that
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out of their memory banks. I am going to reiterate
what happened to the New Zealand side. They got beaten
by the West Indies, but they also got beaten by
Afghanistan by eighty four runs. They managed to be Papua
New Guinea in Uganda, but by that stage it was
too late. They did not hit the ground and running
(38:58):
with the flames at their feet, and it cost them.
But if you look back over the last five ten years,
they've done very well in these short form cricketing tournaments
and I see no reason to believe why they won't
do well this time around. Like the look of the team,
like the way they've built things up. I like the
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way they've spent a lot of time in the subcontinent.
These conditions aren't completely foreign to them, and they don't
have the pressure of a home crowd telling them they
have to win. Steve wants to know how many Australian
and PACIFICA players I put in my last team. One
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player from the one PACIFICA and three Australian players got
four Crusaders and four Blues, because that's the most you
can have. But out of that lesson before from the
scholarly fantasy player Chris Reeve, matchups is very very important
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if you're doing this, to find a situation where your
team is playing at home and they're playing against a
lowly ranked team that's had to travel a long way,
that can't deal with the conditions that present, and you
need to load up your side, overcome their side in
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key position and that becomes your first five eight, There
becomes your halfback, it becomes your back three. And I
think the traditional way you'd go toward this not there's
any tradition involved at the moment because it's only just started.
Let's look to one of the lesser teams. The Force
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aren't the greatest team. Granted its only early doors, but
when the force had to travel far far away and
they're traveling to a place that may be slightly on
the golder side, that's when you pick them to get
touched up by the opposition. And that's when you start
loading your team with players from that dominant side in
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positions that score a lot of points and try scoring
meters gained is massive in this as well. Got to
look to these areas and back as where you start
getting big points and try not to put any injured
players on your team if you can avoid it. Yeah,
that's a very good idea you're and also make sure
your team's playing, because there is. It's fairly straightforward. When
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you go to the website and take a look at it.
They just won't let you pack someone that's not playing.
They'll go no, no, not playing. And then you've got
right up into the start of the game to change
and south there's this last minute scratching you always can.
I think the best players will start to date with
what's happening. They'll get a bit geek on it, but
I don't think it's an entirely geek driven game. I
think it's a reasonably simple game to digest. I think
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a good luck. Thank you Ansplicit for producing the program,
as Chris Caann's for joining us, Chris Reeve from parting
some of his fantasy wisdom, and for all of your
ears and your texts, Thanks for your time. Dicey Water
grave back tomorrow from seven here on News Talks. He'd
get off the black.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good Evening, Welcome into sports Talk. Great to have y'all
on board seven up to seven it is. It's Wednesday,
nineteenth feb twenty twenty five. My name is Darcy. Good
Evening Sport with a couple of chrisses and a few
more of you as well. Coming up between now on
nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Toward the end of the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Show, we'll talk Chris Ree from the New Zealander Herald.
He's our resident fantasy pig. Not like that he indulges
in fantasy is in a piggish manner. He loves fantasy
sport and he rolls in that mud. That's what I'm Yes,
it could be misconstrued. I give you that Chris loves
is fantasy football. Chris loves is fantasy pretty much everything
(01:15):
in the league. So after one week of Fantasy Super
Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five, I'd be nice to catch
up with Chris and find out exactly what we've learned,
what we haven't learned, what to do, what want to do.
I think quite a few people have actually brought into
this good idea and not I don't know why a
better crack like an idiot. But we'll talk with Chris
Reeve about that sooner rather than later. The other Chris,
(01:39):
we're going to be speaking with them the programs, Chris Cans,
Christopher Cans, who managed to score a mighty ton when
the black Caps actually won a trophy way way way
back in the dark ages two thousand it whilst yes,
since then they've picked up the World Test Championship. There's
a long time of not a lot to shout about.
(02:00):
But will it change? This week? Tonight at ten o'clock
it gets Underweight champions Trophy and Kistan Chris Kens joins
us to preview that and then we'll take your calls
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There are so many
so called major cricket events, pinnacle events globally right now.
(02:21):
If you look at a skyline, for example, there are
not any peaks that stand out. It's just a series
of peaks. You don't know where to look. So the
relevance to you of this Champion's trophy and that expands
to will you even stay.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Up for it?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Doesn't matter who wins? Is there any point in having this?
How can they make it. I know exactly what this
guy was talking about yesterday. How can they make this
a more digestible tournament? And I say that because someone
messaging yesterday and said you sound like having a stroke.
(03:02):
Now it's called a pause for an effect. I'm not
having a stroke anyway. Chris Can is going to join
as shortly your course of eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
But before we do that, we always do this Today
Enns for today tonight, Stampion's Trophy owner sees hosts box
down have a crack at the black Caps, with rolled
mud being the pitch order of the day. Coach Stead
(03:24):
has outlined his requirements for his pacer Deeck.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You've got to really bash the wicket hard. I think
the most successful bowlers have found the right length to
bowl as well. They're certainly a lot steadier than wickets
that we have in New Zealand. So pulling your length
back are we but still finding the top of the stumps.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It's like home for us anyway. Spend so much time
on the subcontinent. The game since its teeth in at
ten km tonight, Chiefs coach CLAYT. McMillan has already been
confronted with the demon of injury and Super Rugby Pacific,
he's been forced to keep Damien McKenzie at fallback as
his other options don't exist in the Nani stro Poper's
(04:05):
hammi last week against the Blues and k Traski you
played in the development game against the Blues fail on
the afternoon after dorklif he that has hamstream so they
then obviously shoots not here, so sort of three of.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Our other viable fullback options there a ding dumb.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Ed ding, do all right and thanks Gibber. Alex Rufer
is pretty keen to monster the league leaders Auckland FC
in this weekend's derby. A month on the sideline followed
by only twenty five minutes last week on return just asn't.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Enough personally, I could play up to sixty minutes. You
know that might be pushing a little bit, but look
like you know you want to play in derby's, you
want to play in big games, and you want to
play against the best teams in Auckland are the best team,
and you know I want to play as much as
possible and have the team as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Jem must bite to have to say that about the
other team and you see in Auckland other best team out.
I feel like you're playing Alex and Sir Lewis Hamilton
was the crowd favorite and Formula One season launched after
running away from Mercedes. He's mad, excited about life in
a SCUDERI a fair He's like a kid again.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
He's invigorating because I feel so full of life and
so much energy because everything's new and just focused on
once up ahead. I'm so proud to be a part
of the team, something new and exciting.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm a massive Ferrari fan, had been my entire life.
But I'll watch yourself, Lewis. This is one of the
only teams I've seen not once, not twice, but three
times and a pit stuff only have three wheels, terrifying.
They are prone to making some horrendous errors. It's hope
it's not the case this time around.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's told it's after seven and only hours away and
now from the start of the Champion's Trophy. It has
been a lot of lead up, a lot of build
up to this event and finally we've got an event
with actually a target. There's something at the end of it.
It's not bilateral, it's not a friendly, it's not a
crazy one off. It's actually a tournament.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Cool to talk.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
About that, Chris kenns cap all round it being there done,
that scored a ton when they won the Champions Trophy
back in two thousand and he joins us to talk
about that many other things. Cricket. Chris, I trust you
well and I'm looking forward to the entertainment. Must be
hard for you looking at the Champions Trophy which does
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start at ten o'clock and Pakistan without going all the
way back in history to that wonderful day when the
black Caps actually won something of promise and prominence and
you scored the tone and hit the woitning run. So
you got to go back there memory lane, don't you, Chris.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
It was more the fact that annam PERORI and he
broke my back when he jumped on me sort of
as we were running off the field, which is sort
of quite a that's actually that's one of my most
vivid memories made of sort of turning around and seeing
mAbs sort of sprinting towards me and I'm going, it's
not slowing down, so boom, I collected him and and
we headed off the field and yeah, look it was
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a it was a it was a wonderful I mean,
might put in perspective. Look we only won three games, right,
so I mean we won a global trophy. We big
zim I didn't play the semi asu, we won the
first machigan zim I played the sim against Pakistan. Roger
Two's played really really well in that and so contributions
from everybody and then in the final against the good
Indian side and so made it was. It was really
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rewarding with a good group of guys and also you know,
onder Tristy and Jeff Crow to sort of share that,
and you know, and the late Christopher Dorg was in
the dressing room with us on that on that moment
as well.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, one of the better CEOs I think New Zealand
Crickets ever had.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Chris still you.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Look back with you roast in to classes because it
was a wonderful time and I still remember how stoked
I was watching that. So we're doing it a lot
over again. But let's talk about the Champions Trophy and
where it actually sits in the landscape of cricket, because
it is such a congested skyline now with peaks all
over the show. I'm not even sure where this sits.
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Do you know? Do the players not? Does anybody know?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (08:07):
I think you're right, sir, I mean, just looking at
him made so it's the first time it's been played
since twenty seventeen, so we're talking eight years since they've
sort of dusted it off and brought it back out.
I mean we've had COVID in between that and whatnot,
so it seems to be, you know, a bit of
an after thought.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We've got the ICC T.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Twenty World Cup, there's the fifty over comp and then
you know, there's this sort of I suppose shortened high
Intensity Champions Trophy game where the top eight teams and
you know, you go through so effectively made it sort
of cuts out all the bollocks of a World Cup
at the beginning, and you know, you get down to
the business end and that's essentially what this is. So
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it's you know, you've got to you've got to win
from the start, and you know every match matters.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Simplicity. I think this is something that a lot of
us really treasure in this day and age where there's
so many complexities and nuance around so many competitions in sport.
This is nice and simple. Two groups of four, the
top two from each group play in the semi finals,
you have a final, and then bang, it's all over.
There's something refreshing about that, Chris.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
Yeah, it sort of goes back to us, like to
ninety two and the World Cup when we had the
nine teams and everybody played everybody, and you know, and
it was every every match, every match counted. And the
good thing with this tournament and may compared to some
of the elongated tournaments that they've done now to sort
of get extra games for you know, broadcast contracts and
revenues and delivering matches, et cetera, this is every every
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game now will be a good game or a good match,
and so you know that's the positive side to it.
You shouldn't sit through too many one side or lopside
of games, so you know, the players will have to
be up for it straight away. Where where it sort
of sits or is going forward? You know, I don't know,
you know, I really I really don't. But look it's
only I think, what it's only a week and a
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half or two weeks, you know, compared to a five
or six week of a World Cup, so you know
it's a bit of a in there and and.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Sort of thrash it out and we'll get a winner.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You look at relevance and it is hard, isn't it?
Because things are shifting, and they're shifting so quickly in
world cricket where the power actually lies with the players,
with the the T twenty franchises worth, the I c
C worth the b c C I. So it's reached
the stage now there's a lot going on. It's quite chaotic,
and I expect that's going to eventually flatten out and
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we'll understand actually where the strengths are. But that's It's
it's still a long road.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Isn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
Yeah, you and I, You and I've talked about this
format with the you know, where where is cricket currently sitting.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Around? Who owns it?
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Will predominantly the b C C I own it and
then you know the ic C obviously are the main
cricket boards of England and where England and Australia.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But you know, I think we've we're sort of starting
to see.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
Now there's a not a young cricket actually he's been
around for a while govern the name Alex Hales and
English and Englishman. He's just been contracted by one of
the Indian franchises to play Global T twenty cricket for
their sort of several franchises that they have dotted around
the world and most stick to twenty leagues. So so
it could really be the start of the beginning. And
(11:10):
I'm sure there's other players out there who are doing
the same thing, foregoing an opportunity within their home board
or you know, we haven't seen a big name tip
over yet, mate, with regards to jumping ship, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean when we saw of Live Golf come out
and do its thing.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
You know, we saw some big names go across from
the PGA across sided to Live. We haven't seen a
massive name like Steve Smith. For example. Say I'm forgoing
an international contract or a national contract with Australia. I'm
now going to contract myself to Mumbai Indians or a
year round and you know what's the value of Steve
Smith to them all year round? Is it five million
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US dollars?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Is a six? Is at eight? Is at ten? I
don't know, So we yet to see that happen, but
it won't be too far away. I don't think can.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
We actually get to the cricket, because that's an important
thing that New Zealand have got, but more than a
starters chance of actually doing well on this time, and
haven't they?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, I think they have made.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
I mean then the leader, you know, their form has
been performs been great, but then you look at the
woman's T twenty and the form was horrendous and the
things winning the tournament. I think these tournaments are like that, right.
I don't think you can take any form before the
tournament as any indicator whatsoever. And so it comes into
winning that first match. You know, you get a good
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feel within the camp and you get a roll on.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Made.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
The teams that win first up I think sort of
give themselves a huge chance in the tournament straight away.
And New Zealand's done all the front running against Pakistan
and the two matches that had just previously in the
warm up played brilliantly, you know, led really really well
by Mitch Satner both him embracefall bowling, you know, twenty
oers of quality spin. Matt Henry just continues to do
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what he does. You know, Willow Rourkes's he's going to
be special and then you know, I've got those power
heads in the middle, so that they've got a really
nice unit New Zealand. But look, we always have a
nice unit, so you know. But I puck done first
up in Pakistan, not having had any international tournament there
for twenty years. They were on a massive hot streak
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leading into the matches against New Zealand. They hadn't lost
any matches so and they chased down three to fifty
I think against South Africa as well.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
In the tournament. So that's a dangerous, dangerous team.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
So if you get the crowd going and they get
their tails up, I think Harris Ralf I'm not sure
if he's stor injured, but if he comes back, you
know they've got a strong, quick bowling trio.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So they're going to really dangerous made.
Speaker 8 (13:40):
If New Zealand can get up over this'll that'll set
them up.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Really really well for the rest of the tournament.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The Mike Cassen on the show last week talking about
the patch and the nature of the pitch and it's
basically rolled mud, so it's going to be high scoring,
so don't panic too much. If Pakistan score a pile
of runs, because all the gears there for New Zealand
to do exactly the same thing. But you mentioned spinners before.
It's more than spinning, as was pointed out too by Hessin.
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When you look at what Santa do, it's not about turn,
it's about it's about bounce, it's about bite, it's about speed.
It's all these different things. And that's something I think
you'll find that not only his Menchell sand to God
in space, but but you believe that brace was on
his way there too.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah, and just been exposed to those conditions to us,
you know, having spent time over there both you know, braceful.
Santana is should we say, edging closer to being Tory,
like he's still I mean, dan Vatory is still one
of the best one day bottles I've ever seen. His
his ability to control place, so his speed, no, no
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delivery was the same with a very you know, completely
discernible change of action. And you know he had a
wonderful armball, but his control was superb And and so
Satan is getting into that sort of realm. As I say,
he's away a way way away from you know, the
quality of a Tory consistently. But when we start to
talk about where Satna is, you know, that's the pathway
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that he's on. So he controls that game really nicely,
and I think Bracelet feeds off that He's got a
captain that's a spinner, that knows how to set the
fields and knows what's going on, and so they've got
a nice combination. They're throwing Phillips, who's also probably I mean,
he's better than a part timer, so if they need
overs from him, and then you've got the quick who
will sort of you know, they're all heading the back
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pretty hard, so there's no easy overs with that New
Zealand lineup. And New Zealand have always been a good
feeling side, so they pride themselves on that. So yeah, look,
if I was Pakistan, I'm nervous about playing New Zealand. However,
given Pakistan at home for the first time in an
international tournament in over two decades, New Zealand doing nervous
as well.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You're old like me, how long Chris Ken's and a
couple of words before you turn in, I mean you're
going to get the first couple of hours under your belt.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Are well made them over the fifty.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So it's going to have a little kip like sort
of a now ish and then then and then sort
of watch it and see how we go.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But I do think it's going to be a good game.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
But they just they just can't let the crowd get
into into the Pakistan and sort of side and get
alongside with them, because that's when Pakistan are really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The right call is your call on eighty sports Talk.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Call on your home of sports US Talk ZIV.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Chris Canzie are joining the program. Chris can of course
form a black cap and all rounder who scored one
hundred not out, including the winning runs when Adam Brory
nearly broke us back. According to that chat right at
the very end, and just looking across at this tournament
and in the general state of a tournament in ICC,
crickets are very it's a it's a mixed up, crazy world.
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It's quite convoluted at the moment. I don't think there's
much clarity when it comes to pinnacle events in cricket.
So my question, do you hear, I'm plainly interested in
whether you're actually going to indulge in this or not,
because the timing is horrible unless you're insomniac or of
a night shift worker.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You're not going about to watch it, right, It's a
pinnacle tournament, but it isn't. It means something but doesn't
mean anything. It's hard to work out which the pinnacle
tournaments actually are because the ICC, through the BCCI and
every other major organization seem dead set on having events
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of huge import every half an hour, which completely detracts
from the weight of these events. Can we win this?
I'd say yes we can because it's short and sharp,
and it's easily defined. Win games, win tournament simple, and
it's short, mercifully short, which is good. What defines a
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pinnacle cricket event to you? If you look at a
cross four, five, six, seven years, what stands out as
a cricketing event that you will crawl over broken glass
to look at? What is it? There's plenty of them.
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You might be an IPL fan. You look at the
final on that and go, this is the biggest, craziest,
most expensive league in world cricket. I'm all over. This
has got keep it. I'm in World Test Championship. Is
that something that tickles your fancy? The One Day International
World Cup. And let's remember that One day International cricket
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is a shadow of what it used to be. When
it first turned up, it was the lovely, shiny new toy.
Everybody loved that, everyone got involved in it. It was
something else to behold because it overtook what was seen
as a pretty sad, tired, stayed Test scene. But since
the advent of tea twenty Monday, national cricketers has faded
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something as well. It's only when the One Day World
Cup turns up that people get interested in again. Then
they forget about it. Bilateral series. Is the T twenty
World Cup the one? Or does that not smack of
real cricket to you? Because it is short, sharp, hit
and giggle and should probably only be franchise cricket. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What determines the pinnacle event
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and cricket for you? What is the one you look
forward to? What's the one you'll clear the desks, take
the holiday, ignore the family and watch I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. I know that I didn't sleep for
six days in the World Test Championship because I couldn't
help myself, because I loved it so much. This to
me stands out because it's something slightly different from the
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morass of bilateral series and it's not T twenty franchise cricket.
I think it is important yourself. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty, let me know, like to.
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Speaker 4 (20:31):
On news talks.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Ev The big difference here for me, it's truncated only
eight teams, the top eight teams in the world, so
you get rid of all the staff of World Cup.
So it becomes immediately effective as competition. So that interests me.
Time the night's not great, but it doesn't matter. I'll
do anything to watch sport, especially cricket. But it's a
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point of difference, that's what doesn't to me. It's something
remarkably different from what we've experienced. You get the feeling
that the amount of T twenty we see, the amount
of T twenty leagues we see the T twenty World Cup,
which happens every half an hour. There's nothing new. At
least this has a point of difference. It's a highly
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concentrated competition with the best eight teams in the world.
There are no gimme matches, no Sri Lanka for example,
West Indies. So for me, that does represent the pinnacle
of one day's national cricket, where one dan's national cricket
actually sits in the widest scheme. I think that I
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can't tell you because we all have our preferences with
the game of cricket. But these are the things that
determine an event that I want to watch. Scarcity and
the fact that New Zealand has got a very good
chance of winning because New Zealand performed very well in
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these short form competitions. They're do after getting knocked out
in semis and beaten in finals without rageous margins. I
feel what this New Zealand team does have what it
takes to win. Now there's a couple of very powerful
thought processes behind that reasoning for me, and this is tonight.
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It cannot be done any further than tonight. You start
looking too far ahead, you're in trouble. Worry about Pakistan
in front of you tonight. The pressure on Pakistan performing
at home will be too much for them to carry.
It's an oppressive weight for this team in front of
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their mad cricket fans, against the team that tipped them
up just recently. I think they'll want it too much.
And then you look at the nature of the New
Zealand side. It's a slow changing side, but you're starting
to see big changes in personnel because there are new
responsibilities now heaped on younger players. There's a new captain
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in the form of Mitch sent is a cunning man
the captains. The way he bowls, it's a huge improvement
of what he does. Ane of the fast bowling phalanx
is quite something else. The tweakers are good and we've
got some aggressive batsman it looks like Russian Revender. It
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will be playing. He's been in the nets helmet on
plainly after that smacking the head that he got. These
are our future players and Conway's inform. Go figure, there's
enough for me to buy into this is this pinnacle
enough for you to actually watch and we talk about
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and we complain about the fact that to a degree
New Zealand cricket, mister trick by having nothing on of
any great significance during the summer months. Here you test cricket,
and I think they did make a mistake. If their
focus on one dance national cricket actually turns out with
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a championship trophy, fantastic, But the energy and the momentum
of a summer of cricket was whipped out from underneath
us just when we were looking forward to this gone
and it's not helpful at all. So a little too late.
I remember that the Pakistani's coming here after this seems like
an add a strange tack onto the end of the season.
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For me, it's a pinnacle event because it is. It's rare.
We don't see it much. It's got the best teams
in world cricket not tacked on some guys should be
shouldn't be rule due respect Ireland, Ireland and the like.
Not there. It's such an easily understandable format too. Top
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eight teams split into two groups. One group plays each
other once, the other one plays each other once. You
end up with four of the best. They play semi finals,
bang final win all over. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty enough for you, is this dragging you back into
cricket again or have you got one eye on super rugby.
I wouldn't blame it if you did. It's run through
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a couple of texts down nineteen nineties. He'd be z
B text lines. Our open standard text charge does apply.
I remember the last time we won the Champions Trophy.
It was awesome. No one cared about the rugby in
the league. It has just started, so go to the
black Caps. I think the focuses disappear. We've been waiting
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for so long for Super rugby to start anticipating because
there's been no consumable local sport around it. Now Super
rugby stole on the march on this Champions trophy. It
doesn't help. It's in Pakistan, so other side of the night.
We can turn out cricket players all day if we
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can play more international teams. That sadly, and Chris Ken's
touched on before. As cricket changes, and as cricket there's
a tug of war between the players and the BCCI
and the ICC. So many people wanting as much as
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they can out of this. And until that gets settled,
and this will take quite some time that the international
playing Ross is going to be very, very difficult. The
more players they get at a T twenty level that
want to play up here and they want to play
Caribbean League, they want to play in South Africa, the
more money is generated, they're the less likely players are
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going to want to turn out for their country. There's
not enough money in it for them and they are
wildly underpaid in the IPL. And when there's some kind
of parity with other major sporting leagues because it is
a major league, then will see players less likely to
want to turn out for their countries. So daniell have
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a situation like football where there are designated windows for
internationals and the rest of the time you're earning your
money by playing these leads. That's the way it's going
and the way it's being handled by New Zealand Cricket,
who are taking a softly softly approached to this, treating
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very very carefully I think is sensible the way they
deal with us. Don't get too excited, Darcy, says Steve.
The black Caps are noun for having a run of
form then falling over when it counts. I don't know, Steve,
if you look at their record over the last few
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years they've actually got I would like to say it
has it a guess, one of the better records and
tournaments in international cricket in the last decade. They haven't
walked away with the big prize and that is grating.
But we have talked about this before. To be they
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were regulars and quarter finals didn't quite get any fair.
Then they became a regular in a semi final, it
didn't get any fun. Then they became a regular knocking
on the doors of finals they didn't get further, is
that next step with this new generation of players that
are actually going to bout to do something that the
previous generation couldn't do. I think they all backed themselves.
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It's a lot on it. Eighty ten eighty. If it's
a pinnacle or not, what denotes that in international cricket
might not even be relevant anymore. International cricket Still to
come on the program, we have Chris Reeve joining us.
He's hell in heralded writer writes on a number of sports.
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He's a fantasy sport league addict. He runs a rule
over Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific. It's a competition that started
last week seems to have attracted quite a lot of
interest from people right across the sporting landscape. Talk to
him about that next time. What we learned in the
first week and how to apply that in week number two.
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That's Chris Reeve coming up shortly. Heroin you still here,
you see on the heralds here are maestra. When it
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comes to Fantasy Rugby, well you are now. You've been
looking after it. You've been overseeing what goes on with
the what's the big insid me group that people can
join up with?
Speaker 9 (29:42):
I think it's just got super rugby ins in me.
But yeah, I've been trying to trying to figure things
out since it launched, going over the numbers and trying
to see who's good, who's who's gonna work for you?
And yeah, week one that did not pay off at all.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's the vagaries of the comp And that's why I've
got you in here, because people are doing it, and
maybe because I'm in sports so we're all talking about it.
But it's not just my sporting buddies. There are other
people I know who are like, oh, yeah, to go
to that fantasy it's quite interesting, isn't it. I think
it's interesting because it's pretty simple, and is that the
essence of it make it easy to understand and easy
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to play, the people will come.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
Yeah, it does seem like that's what they've done with
this product. It is at a very basic level of fantasy.
You know, they've given you a really decent budget. The
players aren't really overpriced or anything like that. You know,
everyone can have the same players. You can pick all
your favorite players, or you can do what I've done
and try and find the best players every week and
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put way too much time into it for very little,
very little outcome.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Very little return. So let's talk about what you've learned.
This is the key for me because when I was
putting my team together and I scored I don't know what,
four ninety nine points. This is pretty low brow, all
things said and done. But I'm looking at the variables,
looking at the nuances, and I presume they are in there.
What if you picked up that might be worth applying
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for round two?
Speaker 9 (31:11):
If anything, Well, you want some try scorers in your team,
that's for sure. A Week one really looked like a
backs game, right Like, if you have a try scorer,
one try is fifteen points, So someone's getting two tries.
That's thirty right off the bat, like Kyle Preston came
off the bench. I think zero point one percent of
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owners had him and the team. He's scored three tries
and got I think fifty odd points.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So tries are the big one. Where else is I
suppose points to be gained?
Speaker 9 (31:42):
Yeah, meters gained. You get one point for every ten meters.
So if you've got someone like Will Jordan at fullback
who's catching the ball running it back, you know that's
ten twenty meters right there, just on kick returns, if
he's kicking, if he's not kicking, kicking the ball back
front rows, they I think it's three points per scrum,
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one for all three in the front row hookers. Obviously
there are points for lineout's one as well, and line
out's lost same as locks in the same category. Line
out's one, line out stolen. Line out stolen is worth
about five points, So it's pretty good if you can
find a good lock who's going to get up and contest.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's where most of the points in the pack come.
You expect they're they're going to score the odd tribe,
But what about the tackles made, because that's where predominantly
your six, seven, and eight are going to start getting
some points.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Yeah, so it's pretty simple with tackles made. Tackle is
one point, miss tackle is minus one point. Then you
go to the like your number ten's Damien McKenzie. Like
I thought week one against the Blues, Damien McKenzie, probably
leave him alone. That's a tough matchup. Got to apologize
to Damien Damien McKenzie for having that theory because he
went out and absolutely smashed it. Penalties, converted conversions, you know,
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kicking points is obviously care as well. So a guy
like Damien McKenzie who's currently playing at fullback, running the ball,
scoring tries, breaking the line, assisting on all these things, the.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Line break's assist, there's pretty much every assist.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Line breaks, line break assists, defenders beaten. These are all
scoring things. So a guy like Damian mackenzie, he's probably,
I mean, this week, he's probably the number one guy
you want to bring into your team if you don't
already have them.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Chris Reeve joins us from New Zealand. Here we're looking
at Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five. You get
sent off, you're losing points, you get seen off for
the whole game. You've lost a pile more where else
can you lose?
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Miss tackles is obviously a key one. I've written down
a few here. Actually what else we got? Miss penalties, misconversions,
line outs stolen you're obviously the hooker loses a point. There,
so little bits and pieces like that. But there are
definitely more scoring categories, and there is missing like red
card I think is the most with a minus ten.
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Yellow is minus five.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
There's something else about this that is curious, for want
of a better word, and that is the positions we
select players, and I think this has been underestimated by
a lot of people. The positions are sorted out. You've
got the back three, you've got the loose forwards, you've
got the locks. About that goes on and on and on.
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Some players, though, have been identified in the game as
being something they're not necessarily getting picked that so you
might have let's talk about Cullen Grace for example. How's that?
How does this work? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
So I believe this is just based on where or
what position they're primarily listed as by the team. Coul
and Grace is a interesting one because yeah, he's obviously
listed at lock, but he plays loose forward more often
than not these days. And I think maybe in the
future you might see something kind of like what the
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NRL do. If a player can play in two positions,
they'll be listed in either and you can put them
either as a lock or or a loose forward. And
I think in the NRL they also adjust it throughout
the year. So if you've got someone who wasn't expected
to play, say center, they were just expected to play
second row. If they've played x amount of games at center,
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then they become second row and center.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But the moment doesn't sit like that. So you've got
someone like Grace who's listed as a lock, but if
he plays in the loose he's more than likely to
pick up a lot more points in that loose position,
but he's only sleeped as a lock. And this goes
to a number of other positions, and you look to
the back three because that's where the points are at.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Absolutely, I mean culin Grace seems to be a little
bit of a cheat code for lack of a better word,
it's not I guess there's not much of a cheat
code when everyone in the competition can have him, and
I expect, you know, after last week he was the
highest scoring lock, so I think he'll be, you know,
in a lot of teams this week. But yeah, you
look at guys who are listed in the midfield, who
are playing fullback or something like that. You know a
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lot of the points going to come from those full
back guys. All the tens so.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And another trick, and we've got to add this before
we let you go here, Chris Raven, thanks very much
for your time. You've got a ways of getting bonus.
One of those is so you can give a triple
captain so you get triple points. You can only do
it once for the entire competition, so choose it carefully.
But it's coming to matchups, isn't it. This is what
we're looking up here. So you need to find a
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dominant player who's playing a terrible team in a foreign
climb and that's where you start cashing. And so it's
little weed tips like that that are going to help
you score big points.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
Absolutely, being strategic around those boosters. I think that's really
one of the only strategic points this season. Like your players,
aren't you going up and down in price? So you
don't have to kind of factor that in. Your players aren't,
like I said before, they aren't getting that dual position status,
so you don't have to factor that in. So using
these boosters is really like the point of difference this season.
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And I mean, like you say on matchups, that's how
I would I would look at it. I'd probably wait
a few weeks and see who's good, who's who's not
so good. But I mean everyone who used their triple
captain on Damon McKenzie Week one got three hundred and
twelve points, So that's I mean, I wouldn't be surprised
if that's the best score of the season.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Forget the riffs call, you make a call.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
On eight eighty eight Sports Talk on your home of
sports use Talks have been Talk.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And New Zealand Herald's sportscribe Chris Reeve talking about Fantasy
Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five and there were some
really good tips in there. One of the key things
is how you use your boosters. There are three of
them available. You can only use each booster once throughout
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the entire season. I'll run through that again for you shortly,
and there's some other keys to this. I think matchups
is a massive one. I'll cover off more of that
answer a couple of texts coming up next here.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
On sportstork on.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Explain seven Minutester eight Sports took on news Talk because
zed B have had a text that's saying the Black
Cats flopped out of the Teachery World Cup last year,
didn't They? Yes, sprint they did, but you know you
can't win them all. They should have advanced a lot
further and quite frankly, that was an absolute embarrassment and
for those of you they have chosen to flush that
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out of their memory banks. I am going to reiterate
what happened to the New Zealand side. They got beaten
by the West Indies, but they also got beaten by
Afghanistan by eighty four runs. They managed to be Papua
New Guinea in Uganda, but by that stage it was
too late. They did not hit the ground and running
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with the flames at their feet, and it cost them.
But if you look back over the last five ten years,
they've done very well in these short form cricketing tournaments
and I see no reason to believe why they won't
do well this time around. Like the look of the team,
like the way they've built things up. I like the
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way they've spent a lot of time in the subcontinent.
These conditions aren't completely foreign to them, and they don't
have the pressure of a home crowd telling them they
have to win. Steve wants to know how many Australian
and PACIFICA players I put in my last team. One
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player from the one PACIFICA and three Australian players got
four Crusaders and four Blues, because that's the most you
can have. But out of that lesson before from the
scholarly fantasy player Chris Reeve, matchups is very very important
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if you're doing this, to find a situation where your
team is playing at home and they're playing against a
lowly ranked team that's had to travel a long way,
that can't deal with the conditions that present, and you
need to load up your side, overcome their side in
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key position and that becomes your first five eight, There
becomes your halfback, it becomes your back three. And I
think the traditional way you'd go toward this not there's
any tradition involved at the moment because it's only just started.
Let's look to one of the lesser teams. The Force
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aren't the greatest team. Granted its only early doors, but
when the force had to travel far far away and
they're traveling to a place that may be slightly on
the golder side, that's when you pick them to get
touched up by the opposition. And that's when you start
loading your team with players from that dominant side in
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positions that score a lot of points and try scoring
meters gained is massive in this as well. Got to
look to these areas and back as where you start
getting big points and try not to put any injured
players on your team if you can avoid it. Yeah,
that's a very good idea you're and also make sure
your team's playing, because there is. It's fairly straightforward. When
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you go to the website and take a look at it.
They just won't let you pack someone that's not playing.
They'll go no, no, not playing. And then you've got
right up into the start of the game to change
and south there's this last minute scratching you always can.
I think the best players will start to date with
what's happening. They'll get a bit geek on it, but
I don't think it's an entirely geek driven game. I
think it's a reasonably simple game to digest. I think
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a good luck. Thank you Ansplicit for producing the program,
as Chris Caann's for joining us, Chris Reeve from parting
some of his fantasy wisdom, and for all of your
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