February 26, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
School Sport NZ CEO Mike Summerell on banning Year 14 students from school sport.
Talkback on banning Year 14s.
Warriors assistant coach Richard Agar ahead of their Vegas clash with the Raiders.
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Dinner. Welcome into sports. My name is Darcy Watergrave and
here we go seven minutes after seven on a Wednesday evening.
It's FED twenty six, twenty twenty five. Coming up on
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Later on the peace Richard I. Guard joined us from
Las Vegas, assistant coach of the Warriors team named Yesterday
Ready to get Gone on Sunday at one o'clock New
Zealand time, which is late night Vegas. On Saturday, they
take on the Raiders and hopefully they take them. Apart
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a few changes in the team. That's the first team
of the new year. What was the most difficult decision
for the coaching staff? How have they approached this fixture
in Las Vegas and so on and so forth? So
Richard Agar to join us toward the end of the program.
Interesting story bounce around the effort of recent times, one
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of particular interest to our parents and school aged children.
Mike Summerl joins us. He's the CEO of school sport
in Z around the story of year fourteen's still being
involved in sport. Year fourteen the last year of school,
not yet thirteen is the last year of school. The
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issue here as athletes coming back for a fourteenth year.
Can they compete? Should they compete? Should they be allowed
to beat? What are the issues floating around that? Mardy
Cup has said, you know what, We're not having it
in the year thirteen Form seven. That's it. You're out,
You're done. You can't come back if you come back
scholastically by all means, but you ain't competing none. So
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that happened this year in the Mighty Mardy Cup. So
we'll find out about what school sport and Z are
doing in this space with Mike Summerle. He joins us shortly.
But before any of that, what about.
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loved this whole concept of coming and playing in this
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So I'm not really looking forward to the week. You know,
the tournament just keeps getting stronger and stronger.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And that's sport today. Eleven minutes after seven school Sport
end z CEO Mike Summer All joins us.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Good evening, Mike, Evening, Darsie. It's been a rather large
story recently. It was triggered by Marty Cup obviously Lake
with Tana Finn. It's about the participation of year fourteen
students in school sport and it's up for debate again.
I believe Mike, you're all coming together as a crew,
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just tell it what happens next as far as this
eligibility conversation is concerned.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
Yeah, school Sport New Zealand runs annual eligibility review every
two years, and it just so happens that that rolls
into the start of this year for incorporation into our
rules in twenty twenty six. So it runs with submission
windows open to members and sports to look at our
rules and basically run the ruler over those to make
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sure they're fit for purpose. Those submissions come to the
school Sport New Zealand Board who basically garner a position
to go back for member consultation and consultation with Sports.
So then pull all of that back in and provide
a final draft of the rules in late May so
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that everybody gets a clear view of what the rules
will look like for the following year in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right now, this is right across the board, rules full
stop for participation, eligibility for everything in school sport.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
Yeah, but it's very focused then on the events that
school Sport New Zealand sanction, which are national secondary school
sports events, so that there are two hundred and fifty
plus of those every year and they're broken into three tiers,
championship being things like the New Zealand Secondary school rowing Championships,
rugby football, those really big, pointing end school sport events.
(06:21):
But under that we've got cup and festival tiers which
are much more focused on participation and the eligibility and
those tiers isn't as strict and as strong. So realistically,
the eligibility rules that I think are gaining most attention
are most focused on those championships style events, which might
be around eighty events, but they are the large, publicly
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interesting events that people like to keep track of.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You tend to apply one law for all, or mostly
focused on the championship as opposed to the cup and
the festival.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Yeah, look, there's general eligibility inside of school sport because
school sport is a very specific context, and those general
rules are things like you need to be a bona
fide student at your school, you need to have studying,
a full time, equivalent timetable, et cetera. So basically you've
got to check that everybody's a student that is looking
to participate in school sport, but at that championship level.
(07:18):
In trying to create as level a playing field as
you possibly can There are things like new to school
quotas and more specific rules that are very much aimed
at ensuring that there's a level playing field, so that
I guess you could get that dream scenario of any
school in New Zealand who work hard can win a
national title.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm presuming and touched on first fifth teams as well.
And you're probably sick of that conversation, aren't you.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Well, look, in fairness, rugby doesn't come up that much
in terms of some of the challenges that we've had
in recent years. It's definitely traditionally had its challenges, and
you know, the year fourteen conversation was one inside of
rugby for a long time. But they New Zealand Rugby
made some changes around age banding and school sport across
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the board adopted an under eighteen age limit for national
second for rugby competitions and really that put to bed
the year fourteen conversation at the same time. So, you know,
while rugby still has some of its challenges with youth
participation and where it goes from a rules perspective, nationally,
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it's not so much of a conversation at the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I was thinking more of schools actively recruiting other schools players.
But that's another story for another day. Mike Summerl joins us.
He is the CEO of school Sport in New Zealand.
The year fourteen participation. Now this has come up into
the spotlight because recently the Marty Cup have said no,
we're not having Year fourteen students here. It's not right.
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So it brings it up. Now you've discussed this before.
This is not unusual. Why has there been no change
up until now? Presuming there is but might not be,
But why the hesitancy do you think, Mike?
Speaker 8 (09:02):
Look, some Principles have felt very strongly for there was
some time to be fair around year fourteen participation inside
of rowing. That conversation was mostly pointed at those students
that had picked up overseas scholarship opportunities for rowing. But
we're coming back for very short part of the year
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to have another crack at Marty Cup. That was felt
like it was unfair. There was a lot of talk
around performance advantages and the Principles use the constitutional process
of a special general meeting to vote that year fourteens
be excluded from Marty for twenty twenty five. That was
a relatively well run process in the end, and that's
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been implemented. School Sport New Zealand off the back of
that member vote, implemented that rule for twenty twenty five.
But at the same time there's been this conversation inside
of all of school sport for whether year fourteen should
legitimately be participating inside of national championship level school sport.
And you know, there's a lot of a lot of
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reasons that are sports specific, but I guess from the
educational perspective it's or certainly from the submissions that we received,
is ensuring that everyone gets a crack, everyone gets a
fair share of their chance in the sun to play
at these events. And there is a feeling that some
schools may be bringing back students solely for the purpose
of bolstering their squads for these events.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Sorry for those slightly longer in the tooth. When you
speak of year fourteen, that would an essence back in
the day be the eighth form. That's after you finish
your come back again, Is that right?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's right? Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
So as part of the Mardi work, the working group
defined what a year fourteen was and it's basically your
sixth year of secondary schooling. The traditionally held concept there's
five years of secondary schooling, So year fourteen is this
idea that you're coming back to have another extra year
of school?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
What do you have to look at? What are you
considerations around this Now that the or the members or
the consultations happening, is that the abuse of the system
is that the amount of schools that actually use year fourteen.
Is it the dominance of the fourteen What are your
key considerations Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
Look, Darcy, I think all of those. We've got to
be really clear around why you want to limit somebody's
access to anything, and we really need to understand what
the impact of year fourteen's is on the national school
sport sector. That there is that performance conversation to have.
There is that conversation around making sure everybody gets their
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opportunity to play, but we also know the power of
sport and ensuring that if sport is something that's going
to drive you being involved in education, and you're legitimately
therefore educational purposes, then there's absolutely an argument there that
says that you should have the benefit of playing school sport.
So we've got to be careful we're not throwing the
baby out with the bathwater. We want people playing sport.
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We've got to make sure that there are path ways
for people to do so. But at this championship level
that we're discussing, we also need to make sure that
there's a level playing field. And so I guess the
submissions that the board needs to review as how well,
if though the participation of those year fourteens is deemed
as unfair, and if so, what could be put in
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place to make that a more level playing field.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We say unfair, what does that mean? Is that the
mental maturity, the physical maturity, the fact they've gone through
a number of years of school what makes it inherently unfair? Anecdotally?
What are people complaining about, Mike.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Yeah, I think it's specific. I think where you've got
those contact sports, then definitely the physical maturation of a
student at that time could be said to be an
unfair advantage. I know through the rowing conversation, it's just
the technical and tactical, tactical aspect of being involved in
a boat for an extra year. You know, there was
a lot of conversation from people like Tony O'Connor, who
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are very experienced in rowing and understanding that space that
led those types of conversations. So yeah, I think it
really will be a per sport conversation. But from an
educational perspective, it is that idea that it is an
extra year of schooling, and really, who should we be
focusing on? Should it be those kids coming through? Were
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not those ones that have had that extra opportunity already?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Process From now you said board, the members consultation, how
does it actually progress and how long were looking at
before we get a decision for or against?
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Yeah, so submissions for the first round have closed and
it's sitting in front of the board so that they can,
I guess guide the next level of consultation. Consultation window
for members and sports opens early April and sorry early March.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Closes early April.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
We'll look at all of those submissions, will be running
a few forums for sports and Principles to kind of
discuss some of these bigger submissions, and from there the
board will then look at it put its draft recommendations
out again for a further round. The consultation and all
of that will wash out in end of May and
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the rules will be put out for twenty twenty six
in early June.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And just finally, Mike and thank you so much for
joining us. How many people are involved in this process
at the board level spotes, you can count how many
people are going to make submissions. And when you make
a law, is it one law for all will that
run across all sports or will it be something that's
specific for particular sports.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Yeah, it's a bit of both to be completely honest,
I mean that the boards made up of representatives of
principles from around the country. There's twelve people on the
School Sport in New Zealand board. But the rules have
got a general eligibility component that are relevant to all
forms of participation for the events on our calendar. But
then at that championship level there are some further rules
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around eligibility like new to school quotas, et cetera, that
are only specific to specific sports. So not not every
sport has a new to school quota.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
For example, you.
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Sports Talk on News Talk z B. It was Mike Summer,
all CE of school Sport n Z. Looking at the
vext situation around eighth formers coming back For those, as
I mentioned, who are a little older, we've got no
idea what fourteen as it's taken me here a while. Now,
I think I'm getting the hang of it now that
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junior is finally in year ten but coming back after
their scholastic commitments of seats so they can carry on
playing sport at that level, which which is in the
eyes of a lot of people, manifestly unfair. Unfair for
the schools that are opposing them or playing against them,
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unfair for the other students that don't get a chance
to play because somebody's come back more mature physically, more
mature mentally, with more knowledge around the game than the exercise,
and they can climb in and do very very well.
I think it's manifestly unfair. Well, I don't have a
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child at secondary school that enjoys sport, and i'd expect
after being subjected to sport her entire life, she'll never
enjoy it. And I understand that, so it's not a
space I'll actually ever be in to that degree. But
I think it's all interesting subject. Now there are reasons
I'm sure why some students do have to reattend after
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the seventh form, on them after year thirteen and go
back there again. But there's also the unscrupulous that maybe
like the Marty Cup for example, where they're being banned
and you hear anecdotal stories around roles coming back because
the Marty's Cup so early in the year for just
a term, and then they leave again just so they
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can roll with the Marty Cup. They're not fair?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's not right? And what about the regeneration of sporting teams?
I might be completely wrong here, and I'd like you
to challenge me if you believe I am. Last time
I checked, going to school wasn't about securing trophies so
you can show off. To the other principle, it's progressive learning.
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It's understanding the world, growing, understanding people, understanding teaching, picking
up the basics of life so you can apply them
when you move on to your tertiary education. I just
don't think it's that important by all means. Compete, have
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a great time, challenge, try and win, try and be victorious.
But the end game at school is not to win
a trophy for your school.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So I want to
know how important this actually is, how important it is
that schools win trophies? Is that what I mean? What
lengths do they go to? And is that the purpose
of what these school leagues are for? I don't think
it is. I think they make a right decision here,
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Mike Summer all there and they're going through reviews now
to say no, it finishes at the end of the
seventh form year thirteenth. That's it. You can't come back,
you can't keep competing. Go out into the real world
and see how that works for you. This is preparation
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Looking at the line in the sand for school care
birds children, even though some of them are big and scary,
they're still children and where that line needs to be
drawn as far as participation in sporting events beyond the
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end of the natural term of your schooling yet thirteen
mardy Cup just said no more to year fourteen, So
you can't come back for another year to have another
crack at the Mardy Cup. It's not right, doesn't sit
with us, so no more. School sport end Z now
are looking at that and it's something we've looked at
over the years. Mike Summer just joined us as the
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how are you doing very well? What about yourself?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Good?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Thank you so I coached well up to Auckland University,
Premiere means rugby and a whole range of others. The
thing with school sport is that it needs to be
age based. So because that wasn't mentioned during your conversation,
so give me an example. In the mid to late
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nineties Titan and Lewis College, I had a student called
Wace Willis and he was loose Wadlock. Yeah, he an
all Glas went to the regular World Cup. He was
also a New Zealand under nineteen rower. So when you
took into account the fact that Royce was a New
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Zealand under sixteen rugby player, he was a rower. He
was also working through his academics and he became a
very good academic. With all of those commitments, it took
him six years to get through secondary schooling and his
age was such that he was still really young when
he got to year fourteen. And I can think of
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Adrian Cashmore, who slew the same one of my children,
who was a National People cyclist, managed to get through
school in those five years. But when he finished school
he was only seventeen. So if he come back for
another year as a cyclist, and maybe let's say he'd
been so committed, he hadn't completed his academics, then why
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should he be excluded. So it's age, it's not the
year level within schools that matters.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Age varies. People aren't all born on the same day
thay right now, And so how do you attach something familiar?
And I get it if someone wants to carry on
with their schoolastic and they work super hard at their sports,
so there their schooling slows down, so they're going to
go back for another year at the expense of other
kids who are just going through school to learn about learning,
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and then suddenly they get beaten by someone else.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I don't think that's accurate at all. If a kid,
So you set an age limit, So if a child
is entering which every year and the under nineteen at
the beginning of the year, say, then they're eligible to row,
to play rugby, to run, to cycle, So it depends
on the age. If they're over that, then yeah, that's
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a big consideration. Because they have the physical maturity that
you know you excludes them.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's interesting and on their physical side of things, I
want you to explore that more as well, because physically people
age and grow at such different rates. It's really hard
to get a high anyway, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Well, yeah it is, but how do you choose that?
So you've got to choose their birth date, because some
kids will arrive at school, like my second son did,
they're really young, do very well, and suddenly ends up
in year thirteen sixteen at the beginning of the year.
So let's say he was struggling academically, but he and
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so he needed another year. Why would you kick him
out of all the sports because he's a very young guy.
So age is everything. The year level is almost arbitrary.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So when could start school because some of them have what.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Are they called lucky ages, that's correct, and he's.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Older or less. So that application purely of their age
and your mind would work.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
It's the only fear away. So that's different from say,
having a sporting academy so you're well based in sports,
so you'll know for the studies, for instance with the
ice hockey academies where they found that seventy five percent
of the kids were born between January and April. That's different.
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We're talking about school participation in school sport. If someone
meets the age requirements, they should be allowed to persist
participate regardless of what you level around.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So what do you feel about what's happened with the
Marty Cup when they've just got a blanket? Band said,
I'm sorry, if you're coming back for this eighth form,
this fourteenth year, you can't.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm not interested in these tales about it. They've come
back because they want to go to the Marty Cup.
Then they're off aging. Is that problematic to you?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Look, look, I taught it toy on a boys I
toward Hamilton Boys. You said, you know twenty minutes ago
that you know schools don't care so much about that
sort of stuff. They absolutely do, you know, and principles
ponts around Blake people.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh no, I didn't say that schools don't care. I
was just like, I found it odd that people are
attached so much to basically, your schooling years is about
learning to learn, about learning to grow, about learning some
dealing people. It's not about walking off of the whole
of awards. Because it doesn't mean.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I agree with that. And I studied the school achievements
for every high school newsround every year, right, And one
of the things I really tackle is how boys' schools
and particularly the Super eight, put all sorts of ephesis
on sport and their academic performance is poor, which is insane.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
School is not.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, sorry, I finally agree with you. At the same time,
you need to pick on a student by student basis
and go okay, So what's the fairest way to allow
them to participate? And it has to be age.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
How do you feel about We've got plenty of callers online,
but with what's happening at school sporting zeb with what
Mike Summerl said about the way they they look and
they go over things over and over again to try
and a judicate or put parameters in place, so it
is fair.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Do you think they are doing a good job because
it is there?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I think they may. I think they're making progress. When
I coach Tartanavoys College, for instance, my first thing, their
average age was sixteen points sixteen years and two months
and for instance pray Rettle Boys was closer to seventeen
years and nine months. Now that's a huge difference physically
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an in terms of maturation, right and so, but that's
the only way you can do it. You go, y age,
I don't care where the summon say for a third
form or fourth form or fifth and whatever. It's the
age that matters. And I wrote in the Herald that
I think had understand me and shouldn't be playing quality
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first fifteen rugby because of the head.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's our whole other story. Ellen, thanks very much for
you considered called a real pleasure line in the sand.
I don't think there's probably no such thing as fair
in the situation. People always wants fair and what's right.
But there was always going to be a degree of fair,
isn't there this one line at least people know when
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you get to this age no more. Once you get
to this year in school, there's no more because somebody
is always going to lose and somebody is always going
to win. The concept of the quality that disappears into
the wind, doesn't it or is it equity? I don't
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want to stumbled over my words there. It won't be
the first time, it won't be the last either one
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fourteen students sell involved engaged in sport?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Hi Simon, how are you.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Yeah, good things Darcy. Hey, I don't know that I
agree with the last caller. I think there's there's a
fair bit to do with experience, and in those endurance sports,
you know how they can they build up their their
strength and skills in it. So yeah, I agree with
banning the year fourteen. I'm involved in rowing from a
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smaller rowing school but does recently well, and a couple
of couple of kids rowing.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So the horsepower as opposed to physical horsepower is just
as important or relevant in.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
This, I would say, And I don't know. I could
imagine like a kid that's played rugby for six years
might have a little bit more nous about the game
and knowledge and know a few more tricks, and a
kid that's only paid it five years.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
But then you go, when they started, don't you started?
When did you start playing on sex?
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I don't think you can play anymore you've had too
much experience. So which team do you clip?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Yeah? No, but yeah I know from from rowing, and
i'd probably I wonder maybe cycling, although it's not as
important for school sports. Yeah, I definitely agree with kicking
out the year fourteens for rowing. It's just because the
kids that do come back there fourteen, they're there only
for you know, the Marty Cups over by end of March.
(30:13):
They stayed there for two months, do that and then
and then bugger office. That's what's been the story so far.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So I'm wondered about the policing. But when they come
back in all sport, like, why are you actually here?
Is it about continuing your scholastic endeavors or do you
just want to win?
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Well, your rather question about how important is winning at
school sports. I mean, I don't know, if you've ever
been to a Marty Cup, I'd really recommend it. It's
a fantastic sporting event. Even watch it on YouTube. It's
you know, I think they get one hundred thousand views
on some of the Marty Cup days, the final days
on YouTube. It's a it's an incredible event and the
(30:50):
kids love it. So yeah, it is really important to
win for a lot of the kids to want to
win a Marty Gold is what they will talk about.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, interesting, Simon, thanks very much for your call in there.
I'll go back to the relevance of what happens. It's
school compared to the real world. It's a test run.
It's test drive before we get into the real world.
That's why they make you wear ridiculous school uniform so
that the insidious nature of uniforms. When you get to
(31:21):
a work job in the business world, you're comfortable and
wearing a tie and a pair of slacks for crying
out louder. How stupid is that?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Good? Jamie?
Speaker 9 (31:30):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Does?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
And then I went to a saying Peter, this's a
school that brods itself on sport, but at the same
time had a education standard. So if you didn't get
so much marks and fifth form I don't know what
that is now, but you wouldn't pass fifth form. So
if you came back to that school, you had to
repeat festifal you got three attempts and in the third
attempt you come back, then you'd failed test form and
(31:55):
you could do sex form, then seventh form. How many
of these guys are actually, by proxy just stupid and
failed that first form? And is that still that standard?
Infest form and actually just stuck there mate, because they
failed a couple of years of school and they actually
have to repeat them to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's actually how dag And then.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
And my point there would be what what what do
they do? If you're in school, what sport can you
actually attach yourself to? You know what I mean? You
can't play first leifteen rugby, So what are you doing?
You're going to jump over and play colds.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Or are you going to take another sporting?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And he's being punished at that stage because he's just
failed school. You know, you're punishing him because he's stupid.
That's about a spear as punishing someone because they're fat,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
A punishment though, Jamie, if there's a line in the
sand around when you can represent depending on your age.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
If you're telling the guy, if you're telling the guy
who's in school, legit, like everybody else that's in school,
you can't participate because of your age. At that stage,
you're singling the guy out. So you might as well
just say you can't participate in the sport because you're fat.
You're singer and the guy out for one particular thing
he has that no one else here has his age, and.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You don't see. I think they don't even think there
has to be some line somewhere, because after all, Jamie,
it's not the real world. It's just school.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yeah, but that's what I was saying. It's not the word,
it's just school. Let him participate. It's you that seems
over it's appearance who seemed overly concerned. I know my
kid's not going to win because there's a slightly older
kid there committed to what percentage? What are the percentage
of the older kids that are actually there? And like
I said, who's to say they aren't failed at school
and they're just trying their best, and then you take
(33:40):
away the one thing in life that they're actually good at.
I think there's a slippery say you'd have to take
that on a person by person thinking to get me
to agree to it as opposed to a blanket band
singling amount for one particular thing that he has that
no one else he has.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I think you make a good point, Jamie, and that's
something that school sport and is in and have to
look at. But thank you very much for joining the
program and voicing that. Really appreciated. Fifteen minutes to eight.
Coming up next Rubber League after Vegas. Richard Agar, assistant
coach of the warst Apparently it's the year I read
it somewhere. It joins us. Next here on news Talks.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
There be.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Ten and a half away from eight New Sport and
weather awaits market slush up. After that, we're going to
Las Vegas. Now Warriors are over there set to play
the Raiders as the NRL opens a twenty twenty five
season in the United States of America. Assistant coach Richard
Ager joined us now, Good evening, Richard, I'm probably not
(34:47):
doing as well as you are, although i'd suggest being
in Vegas up to your eyeballs and promotion and players
for the first up game, you've probably had easier gigs,
haven't you.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Look we're there to work. I think that's the important thing.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
It's an amazing event in Spactacle, and you know, we
feel very privileged that we're one of the chosen teams
to to kick off the season, and we've just done
some press and got asked a similar question. It's very
very kin to our Magic Weekend, you know, where there's
a lot of teams in one place, and you know,
as one team's on the training field and other teams
off it and you're running to people in the hotels
(35:21):
and all that. But I think because of those Magic
Weekend experiences, everybody's sort of used to it. You know,
it's not as wholly unusual as it may well have
been back in time. Obviously, Vegas is very different. But
being here, being here quite early, enabled the boys, you know,
to get out there and have a look and spend
(35:42):
some time together before you know, before we got down
to the you know, the serious hard work and finishing
our preparation for the game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
The game itself on the field you're with, the lines
you've got and everything else, is that much different from
what you'd experienced in r Elville, over here and in
Inze or Australia.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
I think, I think from all accounts, you know, the
play service is very good. We don't get to see
it until we've finished our last training session on Friday.
What we've found is we've trained on a pitch with
similar dimensions for the last maybe half a dozen sessions.
(36:25):
We obviously played on one down in Hamilton too, so look,
it's same for both sides. We've gone back and had
a look at last year's games. Both both games had
plenty of points in them. There might be the odd
instance where the size of the pitch comes into it,
but it certainly didn't stop those games being high scoring
games and have too much effect on the play and
(36:46):
it's same for both sides. So it's not it's not
it's not anything that's become too much of an issue
for us rigid.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You see Daniel media sessions. What's been the dominant thought
question from the American media and how much have they
actually climbed into this, Well it's.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Not really, it's mainly it's been the Australian and New
Zealand media to be fair. There's some British media ear
this morning, which you know it's the first time they've been,
so there's a lot of excitement the fact that a
British team is participating in you.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Know what is predominantly an NURL event.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Uh you know the codes not the code sorry, the
two governing bodies working together on that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The American media, I guess have been quite passive in in.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Media conferences are certainly the ones I've done anyway, as
in the stand and the listening they observed. You know,
there's not been I guess a heap of questions coming
through about that, but you know there's certainly been a
reasonably strong presence from.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You've managed to finally got yourself a team selected first time,
and I don't know how long the decisions around that.
Plainly it comes down to coach what you'd ever a
fierce I suggested have as he with in many debatable
positions there before you name that team, Richard, Yeah, loads.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And good ones.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
You know, I felt last year at the times during
the season, I guess we're shuffling the decks a little
bit with the amount of injuries we had and probably
people not in the form that we would have liked.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
But this year, everybody's trained well. They've been really well
connected in training.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
The trial form has been good, and when we picked
the team, you know, before we sat down to pick
the team, we felt straight away that they were going
to be three or four good players in good form
and experienced players that potentially wouldn't make our lineup. So yeah,
it were difficult.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think the makeup of the bench was probably the
biggest talking point, if you.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Like, just around how you're going to make eight interchanges work,
the fact it's around one game taken into a count
the opposition that we're playing as well, and just making
sure that going in with an interchange plan, we've got
all bases covered on rotation and sometimes it's not just
(39:16):
a case of can you get people on and off?
It's it's just can you use all those substitutions effectively
well and give everybody the required game time that you
know you think that player warrants.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
So yeah, that that was difficult, but we feel we've
come up with something for around one that.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Certainly gives us cover, picks people in form, gives us
our best opportunity to attack and defense strongly. And at
the same time, as I say, the guys that we
think probably just warranted the share, I'm going to say
that a couple of quite unbelievably close calls around the bench,
(39:57):
and sometimes.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You need a crystal ball to get that one right,
you know, because you know, we don't know what's going
to happen. But as I say, we think we've got
most of our basis covered. So yeah, fingers cross, fingers crossed,
we've got it right.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
And you know, I love the fact that we've been
able to pick two three young guys in our in
our squ mate just purely unmerit gone.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Who was the tightest call? You've started it, you can
finish it?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh, I think the last one on the bench.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
You know, whether that's Sam Healey tomorrow, mar And I'm
trying to think who else would have been in contention
for that. You know, Bunties had really strong showings preseason.
Eddie Rami is a guy that will come into contention
because of his versatility. So you know when I say
all those guys were you know we're in the mix,
(40:45):
they genuinely were in the mix.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Dinner. Welcome into sports. My name is Darcy Watergrave and
here we go seven minutes after seven on a Wednesday evening.
It's FED twenty six, twenty twenty five. Coming up on
the evening's edition of Sports Talk, A wee bit of me,
plenty of you and a couple of guests as well.
(00:53):
Later on the peace Richard I. Guard joined us from
Las Vegas, assistant coach of the Warriors team named Yesterday
Ready to get Gone on Sunday at one o'clock New
Zealand time, which is late night Vegas. On Saturday, they
take on the Raiders and hopefully they take them. Apart
(01:14):
a few changes in the team. That's the first team
of the new year. What was the most difficult decision
for the coaching staff? How have they approached this fixture
in Las Vegas and so on and so forth? So
Richard Agar to join us toward the end of the program.
Interesting story bounce around the effort of recent times, one
(01:35):
of particular interest to our parents and school aged children.
Mike Summerl joins us. He's the CEO of school sport
in Z around the story of year fourteen's still being
involved in sport. Year fourteen the last year of school,
not yet thirteen is the last year of school. The
(01:57):
issue here as athletes coming back for a fourteenth year.
Can they compete? Should they compete? Should they be allowed
to beat? What are the issues floating around that? Mardy
Cup has said, you know what, We're not having it
in the year thirteen Form seven. That's it. You're out,
You're done. You can't come back if you come back
scholastically by all means, but you ain't competing none. So
(02:20):
that happened this year in the Mighty Mardy Cup. So
we'll find out about what school sport and Z are
doing in this space with Mike Summerle. He joins us shortly.
But before any of that, what about.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Some of else sport today?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And in sport today boys A skipper Patrick toy Blott,
who has taken the blame for some of his team's
average calls during their stumbling loss to an undermanned Highlander's side.
The ab lock has put us mit up, which is admirable,
But there were more problematic all blacks on display last
week in weren't They.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Pivot in hindsight probably should just tapped and you went
to carry clean game there, especially at last ten where
we lost to.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Those lineouts at crucial time.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So let's put that down to port us and making
on my my term saw by the.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Captain taking it on his shoulders. But there are other
problems anyway. It wasn't just the stadent that came calling
for former All Black Roger tweev Us a sheck. He
could also hear the calls of the sirens of the desert,
the clatter of the roulette wheel and the shuffling of
the decks. Or maybe i'd worryous winger has stoked this
decision though, to come back to his first love. I
(03:30):
loved this whole concept of coming and playing in this
place and it's the capital of entertainment and that's what
we are and our real stoke to be here and
they got to came back for regularly. Maiharn couldn't quite
believe it, but it's in the box, so it's true.
The football fans midfielder slotted a goal in the eighteen
ninth minutes to secure a one nil victory of Costa Rica.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I feel like I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
I was on a shot and I saw get in
the back of the net.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But yeah, I was buzzing and obviously, more importantly help
us win the game. Southern Late's golfer and new Live
Golf recruit is easing into the New Zealand Open to
be played at his home track. The Milbrook member is
re relishing a good night's sleep in familiar surrounds, notably
wrapping himself up in his very own duvot.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It's obviously, Kate, I love playing.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
You know, when you can sleep in your own bed
and play at golf.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Tournament's pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
So I'm not really looking forward to the week. You know,
the tournament just keeps getting stronger and stronger.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And that's sport today. Eleven minutes after seven school Sport
end z CEO Mike Summer All joins us.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Good evening, Mike, Evening, Darsie. It's been a rather large
story recently. It was triggered by Marty Cup obviously Lake
with Tana Finn. It's about the participation of year fourteen
students in school sport and it's up for debate again.
I believe Mike, you're all coming together as a crew,
(04:58):
just tell it what happens next as far as this
eligibility conversation is concerned.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
Yeah, school Sport New Zealand runs annual eligibility review every
two years, and it just so happens that that rolls
into the start of this year for incorporation into our
rules in twenty twenty six. So it runs with submission
windows open to members and sports to look at our
rules and basically run the ruler over those to make
(05:26):
sure they're fit for purpose. Those submissions come to the
school Sport New Zealand Board who basically garner a position
to go back for member consultation and consultation with Sports.
So then pull all of that back in and provide
a final draft of the rules in late May so
(05:47):
that everybody gets a clear view of what the rules
will look like for the following year in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right now, this is right across the board, rules full
stop for participation, eligibility for everything in school sport.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
Yeah, but it's very focused then on the events that
school Sport New Zealand sanction, which are national secondary school
sports events, so that there are two hundred and fifty
plus of those every year and they're broken into three tiers,
championship being things like the New Zealand Secondary school rowing Championships,
rugby football, those really big, pointing end school sport events.
(06:21):
But under that we've got cup and festival tiers which
are much more focused on participation and the eligibility and
those tiers isn't as strict and as strong. So realistically,
the eligibility rules that I think are gaining most attention
are most focused on those championships style events, which might
be around eighty events, but they are the large, publicly
(06:44):
interesting events that people like to keep track of.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You tend to apply one law for all, or mostly
focused on the championship as opposed to the cup and
the festival.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Yeah, look, there's general eligibility inside of school sport because
school sport is a very specific context, and those general
rules are things like you need to be a bona
fide student at your school, you need to have studying,
a full time, equivalent timetable, et cetera. So basically you've
got to check that everybody's a student that is looking
to participate in school sport, but at that championship level.
(07:18):
In trying to create as level a playing field as
you possibly can There are things like new to school
quotas and more specific rules that are very much aimed
at ensuring that there's a level playing field, so that
I guess you could get that dream scenario of any
school in New Zealand who work hard can win a
national title.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm presuming and touched on first fifth teams as well.
And you're probably sick of that conversation, aren't you.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Well, look, in fairness, rugby doesn't come up that much
in terms of some of the challenges that we've had
in recent years. It's definitely traditionally had its challenges, and
you know, the year fourteen conversation was one inside of
rugby for a long time. But they New Zealand Rugby
made some changes around age banding and school sport across
(08:03):
the board adopted an under eighteen age limit for national
second for rugby competitions and really that put to bed
the year fourteen conversation at the same time. So, you know,
while rugby still has some of its challenges with youth
participation and where it goes from a rules perspective, nationally,
(08:24):
it's not so much of a conversation at the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I was thinking more of schools actively recruiting other schools players.
But that's another story for another day. Mike Summerl joins us.
He is the CEO of school Sport in New Zealand.
The year fourteen participation. Now this has come up into
the spotlight because recently the Marty Cup have said no,
we're not having Year fourteen students here. It's not right.
(08:49):
So it brings it up. Now you've discussed this before.
This is not unusual. Why has there been no change
up until now? Presuming there is but might not be,
But why the hesitancy do you think, Mike?
Speaker 8 (09:02):
Look, some Principles have felt very strongly for there was
some time to be fair around year fourteen participation inside
of rowing. That conversation was mostly pointed at those students
that had picked up overseas scholarship opportunities for rowing. But
we're coming back for very short part of the year
(09:23):
to have another crack at Marty Cup. That was felt
like it was unfair. There was a lot of talk
around performance advantages and the Principles use the constitutional process
of a special general meeting to vote that year fourteens
be excluded from Marty for twenty twenty five. That was
a relatively well run process in the end, and that's
(09:48):
been implemented. School Sport New Zealand off the back of
that member vote, implemented that rule for twenty twenty five.
But at the same time there's been this conversation inside
of all of school sport for whether year fourteen should
legitimately be participating inside of national championship level school sport.
And you know, there's a lot of a lot of
(10:08):
reasons that are sports specific, but I guess from the
educational perspective it's or certainly from the submissions that we received,
is ensuring that everyone gets a crack, everyone gets a
fair share of their chance in the sun to play
at these events. And there is a feeling that some
schools may be bringing back students solely for the purpose
of bolstering their squads for these events.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Sorry for those slightly longer in the tooth. When you
speak of year fourteen, that would an essence back in
the day be the eighth form. That's after you finish
your come back again, Is that right?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's right? Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
So as part of the Mardi work, the working group
defined what a year fourteen was and it's basically your
sixth year of secondary schooling. The traditionally held concept there's
five years of secondary schooling, So year fourteen is this
idea that you're coming back to have another extra year
of school?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
What do you have to look at? What are you
considerations around this Now that the or the members or
the consultations happening, is that the abuse of the system
is that the amount of schools that actually use year fourteen.
Is it the dominance of the fourteen What are your
key considerations Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
Look, Darcy, I think all of those. We've got to
be really clear around why you want to limit somebody's
access to anything, and we really need to understand what
the impact of year fourteen's is on the national school
sport sector. That there is that performance conversation to have.
There is that conversation around making sure everybody gets their
(11:42):
opportunity to play, but we also know the power of
sport and ensuring that if sport is something that's going
to drive you being involved in education, and you're legitimately
therefore educational purposes, then there's absolutely an argument there that
says that you should have the benefit of playing school sport.
So we've got to be careful we're not throwing the
baby out with the bathwater. We want people playing sport.
(12:04):
We've got to make sure that there are path ways
for people to do so. But at this championship level
that we're discussing, we also need to make sure that
there's a level playing field. And so I guess the
submissions that the board needs to review as how well,
if though the participation of those year fourteens is deemed
as unfair, and if so, what could be put in
(12:28):
place to make that a more level playing field.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We say unfair, what does that mean? Is that the
mental maturity, the physical maturity, the fact they've gone through
a number of years of school what makes it inherently unfair? Anecdotally?
What are people complaining about, Mike.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Yeah, I think it's specific. I think where you've got
those contact sports, then definitely the physical maturation of a
student at that time could be said to be an
unfair advantage. I know through the rowing conversation, it's just
the technical and tactical, tactical aspect of being involved in
a boat for an extra year. You know, there was
a lot of conversation from people like Tony O'Connor, who
(13:10):
are very experienced in rowing and understanding that space that
led those types of conversations. So yeah, I think it
really will be a per sport conversation. But from an
educational perspective, it is that idea that it is an
extra year of schooling, and really, who should we be
focusing on? Should it be those kids coming through? Were
(13:32):
not those ones that have had that extra opportunity already?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Process From now you said board, the members consultation, how
does it actually progress and how long were looking at
before we get a decision for or against?
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Yeah, so submissions for the first round have closed and
it's sitting in front of the board so that they can,
I guess guide the next level of consultation. Consultation window
for members and sports opens early April and sorry early March.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Closes early April.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
We'll look at all of those submissions, will be running
a few forums for sports and Principles to kind of
discuss some of these bigger submissions, and from there the
board will then look at it put its draft recommendations
out again for a further round. The consultation and all
of that will wash out in end of May and
(14:27):
the rules will be put out for twenty twenty six
in early June.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And just finally, Mike and thank you so much for
joining us. How many people are involved in this process
at the board level spotes, you can count how many
people are going to make submissions. And when you make
a law, is it one law for all will that
run across all sports or will it be something that's
specific for particular sports.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Yeah, it's a bit of both to be completely honest,
I mean that the boards made up of representatives of
principles from around the country. There's twelve people on the
School Sport in New Zealand board. But the rules have
got a general eligibility component that are relevant to all
forms of participation for the events on our calendar. But
then at that championship level there are some further rules
(15:12):
around eligibility like new to school quotas, et cetera, that
are only specific to specific sports. So not not every
sport has a new to school quota.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
For example, you.
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Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sports Talk on News Talk z B. It was Mike Summer,
all CE of school Sport n Z. Looking at the
vext situation around eighth formers coming back For those, as
I mentioned, who are a little older, we've got no
idea what fourteen as it's taken me here a while. Now,
I think I'm getting the hang of it now that
(15:55):
junior is finally in year ten but coming back after
their scholastic commitments of seats so they can carry on
playing sport at that level, which which is in the
eyes of a lot of people, manifestly unfair. Unfair for
the schools that are opposing them or playing against them,
(16:16):
unfair for the other students that don't get a chance
to play because somebody's come back more mature physically, more
mature mentally, with more knowledge around the game than the exercise,
and they can climb in and do very very well.
I think it's manifestly unfair. Well, I don't have a
(16:37):
child at secondary school that enjoys sport, and i'd expect
after being subjected to sport her entire life, she'll never
enjoy it. And I understand that, so it's not a
space I'll actually ever be in to that degree. But
I think it's all interesting subject. Now there are reasons
I'm sure why some students do have to reattend after
(17:01):
the seventh form, on them after year thirteen and go
back there again. But there's also the unscrupulous that maybe
like the Marty Cup for example, where they're being banned
and you hear anecdotal stories around roles coming back because
the Marty's Cup so early in the year for just
a term, and then they leave again just so they
(17:22):
can roll with the Marty Cup. They're not fair?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's not right? And what about the regeneration of sporting teams?
I might be completely wrong here, and I'd like you
to challenge me if you believe I am. Last time
I checked, going to school wasn't about securing trophies so
you can show off. To the other principle, it's progressive learning.
(17:48):
It's understanding the world, growing, understanding people, understanding teaching, picking
up the basics of life so you can apply them
when you move on to your tertiary education. I just
don't think it's that important by all means. Compete, have
(18:08):
a great time, challenge, try and win, try and be victorious.
But the end game at school is not to win
a trophy for your school.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So I want to
know how important this actually is, how important it is
that schools win trophies? Is that what I mean? What
lengths do they go to? And is that the purpose
of what these school leagues are for? I don't think
it is. I think they make a right decision here,
(18:44):
Mike Summer all there and they're going through reviews now
to say no, it finishes at the end of the
seventh form year thirteenth. That's it. You can't come back,
you can't keep competing. Go out into the real world
and see how that works for you. This is preparation
for the real world school. It is not the real
world retail in some cases. Twenty five minutes after seven
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sports Talk, care and news talks, EB love your opinion
on this one. No more old buggers or old girls
at school. You get to the end of the seventh
form year thirteen, you're gone. I think that should be
a rule, hard and fast. What do you think, Oh,
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Looking at the line in the sand for school care
birds children, even though some of them are big and scary,
they're still children and where that line needs to be
drawn as far as participation in sporting events beyond the
(20:19):
end of the natural term of your schooling yet thirteen
mardy Cup just said no more to year fourteen, So
you can't come back for another year to have another
crack at the Mardy Cup. It's not right, doesn't sit
with us, so no more. School sport end Z now
are looking at that and it's something we've looked at
over the years. Mike Summer just joined us as the
(20:39):
CEO of school sport end zaid about that consideration. We
go to the phones now O one hundred and eighty
ten eighty and Text nineteen ninety ZBZB A standard text
charge does apply to that. Alwen, good evening, Hi say
how are you doing very well? What about yourself?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Good?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Thank you so I coached well up to Auckland University,
Premiere means rugby and a whole range of others. The
thing with school sport is that it needs to be
age based. So because that wasn't mentioned during your conversation,
so give me an example. In the mid to late
(21:20):
nineties Titan and Lewis College, I had a student called
Wace Willis and he was loose Wadlock. Yeah, he an
all Glas went to the regular World Cup. He was
also a New Zealand under nineteen rower. So when you
took into account the fact that Royce was a New
(21:41):
Zealand under sixteen rugby player, he was a rower. He
was also working through his academics and he became a
very good academic. With all of those commitments, it took
him six years to get through secondary schooling and his
age was such that he was still really young when
he got to year fourteen. And I can think of
(22:04):
Adrian Cashmore, who slew the same one of my children,
who was a National People cyclist, managed to get through
school in those five years. But when he finished school
he was only seventeen. So if he come back for
another year as a cyclist, and maybe let's say he'd
been so committed, he hadn't completed his academics, then why
(22:29):
should he be excluded. So it's age, it's not the
year level within schools that matters.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Age varies. People aren't all born on the same day
thay right now, And so how do you attach something familiar?
And I get it if someone wants to carry on
with their schoolastic and they work super hard at their sports,
so there their schooling slows down, so they're going to
go back for another year at the expense of other
kids who are just going through school to learn about learning,
(23:00):
and then suddenly they get beaten by someone else.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I don't think that's accurate at all. If a kid,
So you set an age limit, So if a child
is entering which every year and the under nineteen at
the beginning of the year, say, then they're eligible to row,
to play rugby, to run, to cycle, So it depends
on the age. If they're over that, then yeah, that's
(23:26):
a big consideration. Because they have the physical maturity that
you know you excludes them.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's interesting and on their physical side of things, I
want you to explore that more as well, because physically people
age and grow at such different rates. It's really hard
to get a high anyway, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Well, yeah it is, but how do you choose that?
So you've got to choose their birth date, because some
kids will arrive at school, like my second son did,
they're really young, do very well, and suddenly ends up
in year thirteen sixteen at the beginning of the year.
So let's say he was struggling academically, but he and
(24:08):
so he needed another year. Why would you kick him
out of all the sports because he's a very young guy.
So age is everything. The year level is almost arbitrary.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So when could start school because some of them have what.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Are they called lucky ages, that's correct, and he's.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Older or less. So that application purely of their age
and your mind would work.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
It's the only fear away. So that's different from say,
having a sporting academy so you're well based in sports,
so you'll know for the studies, for instance with the
ice hockey academies where they found that seventy five percent
of the kids were born between January and April. That's different.
(24:58):
We're talking about school participation in school sport. If someone
meets the age requirements, they should be allowed to persist
participate regardless of what you level around.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So what do you feel about what's happened with the
Marty Cup when they've just got a blanket? Band said,
I'm sorry, if you're coming back for this eighth form,
this fourteenth year, you can't.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm not interested in these tales about it. They've come
back because they want to go to the Marty Cup.
Then they're off aging. Is that problematic to you?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Look, look, I taught it toy on a boys I
toward Hamilton Boys. You said, you know twenty minutes ago
that you know schools don't care so much about that
sort of stuff. They absolutely do, you know, and principles
ponts around Blake people.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh no, I didn't say that schools don't care. I
was just like, I found it odd that people are
attached so much to basically, your schooling years is about
learning to learn, about learning to grow, about learning some
dealing people. It's not about walking off of the whole
of awards. Because it doesn't mean.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I agree with that. And I studied the school achievements
for every high school newsround every year, right, And one
of the things I really tackle is how boys' schools
and particularly the Super eight, put all sorts of ephesis
on sport and their academic performance is poor, which is insane.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
School is not.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, sorry, I finally agree with you. At the same time,
you need to pick on a student by student basis
and go okay, So what's the fairest way to allow
them to participate? And it has to be age.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
How do you feel about We've got plenty of callers online,
but with what's happening at school sporting zeb with what
Mike Summerl said about the way they they look and
they go over things over and over again to try
and a judicate or put parameters in place, so it
is fair.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Do you think they are doing a good job because
it is there?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I think they may. I think they're making progress. When
I coach Tartanavoys College, for instance, my first thing, their
average age was sixteen points sixteen years and two months
and for instance pray Rettle Boys was closer to seventeen
years and nine months. Now that's a huge difference physically
(27:18):
an in terms of maturation, right and so, but that's
the only way you can do it. You go, y age,
I don't care where the summon say for a third
form or fourth form or fifth and whatever. It's the
age that matters. And I wrote in the Herald that
I think had understand me and shouldn't be playing quality
(27:38):
first fifteen rugby because of the head.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's our whole other story. Ellen, thanks very much for
you considered called a real pleasure line in the sand.
I don't think there's probably no such thing as fair
in the situation. People always wants fair and what's right.
But there was always going to be a degree of fair,
isn't there this one line at least people know when
(28:05):
you get to this age no more. Once you get
to this year in school, there's no more because somebody
is always going to lose and somebody is always going
to win. The concept of the quality that disappears into
the wind, doesn't it or is it equity? I don't
(28:25):
want to stumbled over my words there. It won't be
the first time, it won't be the last either one
Dark Auto Gravey it's seven thirty eight or if your
course coming up next the.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Ones that sebody one and Sports Talk AAR and Newstalks eb. Yeah,
fourteen students sell involved engaged in sport?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Hi Simon, how are you.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Yeah, good things Darcy. Hey, I don't know that I
agree with the last caller. I think there's there's a
fair bit to do with experience, and in those endurance sports,
you know how they can they build up their their
strength and skills in it. So yeah, I agree with
banning the year fourteen. I'm involved in rowing from a
(29:18):
smaller rowing school but does recently well, and a couple
of couple of kids rowing.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So the horsepower as opposed to physical horsepower is just
as important or relevant in.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
This, I would say, And I don't know. I could
imagine like a kid that's played rugby for six years
might have a little bit more nous about the game
and knowledge and know a few more tricks, and a
kid that's only paid it five years.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
But then you go, when they started, don't you started?
When did you start playing on sex?
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I don't think you can play anymore you've had too
much experience. So which team do you clip?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Yeah? No, but yeah I know from from rowing, and
i'd probably I wonder maybe cycling, although it's not as
important for school sports. Yeah, I definitely agree with kicking
out the year fourteens for rowing. It's just because the
kids that do come back there fourteen, they're there only
for you know, the Marty Cups over by end of March.
(30:13):
They stayed there for two months, do that and then
and then bugger office. That's what's been the story so far.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So I'm wondered about the policing. But when they come
back in all sport, like, why are you actually here?
Is it about continuing your scholastic endeavors or do you
just want to win?
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Well, your rather question about how important is winning at
school sports. I mean, I don't know, if you've ever
been to a Marty Cup, I'd really recommend it. It's
a fantastic sporting event. Even watch it on YouTube. It's
you know, I think they get one hundred thousand views
on some of the Marty Cup days, the final days
on YouTube. It's a it's an incredible event and the
(30:50):
kids love it. So yeah, it is really important to
win for a lot of the kids to want to
win a Marty Gold is what they will talk about.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, interesting, Simon, thanks very much for your call in there.
I'll go back to the relevance of what happens. It's
school compared to the real world. It's a test run.
It's test drive before we get into the real world.
That's why they make you wear ridiculous school uniform so
that the insidious nature of uniforms. When you get to
(31:21):
a work job in the business world, you're comfortable and
wearing a tie and a pair of slacks for crying
out louder. How stupid is that?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Good? Jamie?
Speaker 9 (31:30):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Does?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
And then I went to a saying Peter, this's a
school that brods itself on sport, but at the same
time had a education standard. So if you didn't get
so much marks and fifth form I don't know what
that is now, but you wouldn't pass fifth form. So
if you came back to that school, you had to
repeat festifal you got three attempts and in the third
attempt you come back, then you'd failed test form and
(31:55):
you could do sex form, then seventh form. How many
of these guys are actually, by proxy just stupid and
failed that first form? And is that still that standard?
Infest form and actually just stuck there mate, because they
failed a couple of years of school and they actually
have to repeat them to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's actually how dag And then.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
And my point there would be what what what do
they do? If you're in school, what sport can you
actually attach yourself to? You know what I mean? You
can't play first leifteen rugby, So what are you doing?
You're going to jump over and play colds.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Or are you going to take another sporting?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And he's being punished at that stage because he's just
failed school. You know, you're punishing him because he's stupid.
That's about a spear as punishing someone because they're fat,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
A punishment though, Jamie, if there's a line in the
sand around when you can represent depending on your age.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
If you're telling the guy, if you're telling the guy
who's in school, legit, like everybody else that's in school,
you can't participate because of your age. At that stage,
you're singling the guy out. So you might as well
just say you can't participate in the sport because you're fat.
You're singer and the guy out for one particular thing
he has that no one else here has his age, and.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You don't see. I think they don't even think there
has to be some line somewhere, because after all, Jamie,
it's not the real world. It's just school.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yeah, but that's what I was saying. It's not the word,
it's just school. Let him participate. It's you that seems
over it's appearance who seemed overly concerned. I know my
kid's not going to win because there's a slightly older
kid there committed to what percentage? What are the percentage
of the older kids that are actually there? And like
I said, who's to say they aren't failed at school
and they're just trying their best, and then you take
(33:40):
away the one thing in life that they're actually good at.
I think there's a slippery say you'd have to take
that on a person by person thinking to get me
to agree to it as opposed to a blanket band
singling amount for one particular thing that he has that
no one else he has.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I think you make a good point, Jamie, and that's
something that school sport and is in and have to
look at. But thank you very much for joining the
program and voicing that. Really appreciated. Fifteen minutes to eight.
Coming up next Rubber League after Vegas. Richard Agar, assistant
coach of the warst Apparently it's the year I read
it somewhere. It joins us. Next here on news Talks.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
There be.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Ten and a half away from eight New Sport and
weather awaits market slush up. After that, we're going to
Las Vegas. Now Warriors are over there set to play
the Raiders as the NRL opens a twenty twenty five
season in the United States of America. Assistant coach Richard
Ager joined us now, Good evening, Richard, I'm probably not
(34:47):
doing as well as you are, although i'd suggest being
in Vegas up to your eyeballs and promotion and players
for the first up game, you've probably had easier gigs,
haven't you.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Look we're there to work. I think that's the important thing.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
It's an amazing event in Spactacle, and you know, we
feel very privileged that we're one of the chosen teams
to to kick off the season, and we've just done
some press and got asked a similar question. It's very
very kin to our Magic Weekend, you know, where there's
a lot of teams in one place, and you know,
as one team's on the training field and other teams
off it and you're running to people in the hotels
(35:21):
and all that. But I think because of those Magic
Weekend experiences, everybody's sort of used to it. You know,
it's not as wholly unusual as it may well have
been back in time. Obviously, Vegas is very different. But
being here, being here quite early, enabled the boys, you know,
to get out there and have a look and spend
(35:42):
some time together before you know, before we got down
to the you know, the serious hard work and finishing
our preparation for the game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
The game itself on the field you're with, the lines
you've got and everything else, is that much different from
what you'd experienced in r Elville, over here and in
Inze or Australia.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
I think, I think from all accounts, you know, the
play service is very good. We don't get to see
it until we've finished our last training session on Friday.
What we've found is we've trained on a pitch with
similar dimensions for the last maybe half a dozen sessions.
(36:25):
We obviously played on one down in Hamilton too, so look,
it's same for both sides. We've gone back and had
a look at last year's games. Both both games had
plenty of points in them. There might be the odd
instance where the size of the pitch comes into it,
but it certainly didn't stop those games being high scoring
games and have too much effect on the play and
(36:46):
it's same for both sides. So it's not it's not
it's not anything that's become too much of an issue
for us rigid.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You see Daniel media sessions. What's been the dominant thought
question from the American media and how much have they
actually climbed into this, Well it's.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Not really, it's mainly it's been the Australian and New
Zealand media to be fair. There's some British media ear
this morning, which you know it's the first time they've been,
so there's a lot of excitement the fact that a
British team is participating in you.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Know what is predominantly an NURL event.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Uh you know the codes not the code sorry, the
two governing bodies working together on that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The American media, I guess have been quite passive in in.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Media conferences are certainly the ones I've done anyway, as
in the stand and the listening they observed. You know,
there's not been I guess a heap of questions coming
through about that, but you know there's certainly been a
reasonably strong presence from.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You've managed to finally got yourself a team selected first time,
and I don't know how long the decisions around that.
Plainly it comes down to coach what you'd ever a
fierce I suggested have as he with in many debatable
positions there before you name that team, Richard, Yeah, loads.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And good ones.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
You know, I felt last year at the times during
the season, I guess we're shuffling the decks a little
bit with the amount of injuries we had and probably
people not in the form that we would have liked.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
But this year, everybody's trained well. They've been really well
connected in training.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
The trial form has been good, and when we picked
the team, you know, before we sat down to pick
the team, we felt straight away that they were going
to be three or four good players in good form
and experienced players that potentially wouldn't make our lineup. So yeah,
it were difficult.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think the makeup of the bench was probably the
biggest talking point, if you.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Like, just around how you're going to make eight interchanges work,
the fact it's around one game taken into a count
the opposition that we're playing as well, and just making
sure that going in with an interchange plan, we've got
all bases covered on rotation and sometimes it's not just
(39:16):
a case of can you get people on and off?
It's it's just can you use all those substitutions effectively
well and give everybody the required game time that you
know you think that player warrants.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
So yeah, that that was difficult, but we feel we've
come up with something for around one that.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Certainly gives us cover, picks people in form, gives us
our best opportunity to attack and defense strongly. And at
the same time, as I say, the guys that we
think probably just warranted the share, I'm going to say
that a couple of quite unbelievably close calls around the bench,
(39:57):
and sometimes.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You need a crystal ball to get that one right,
you know, because you know, we don't know what's going
to happen. But as I say, we think we've got
most of our basis covered. So yeah, fingers cross, fingers crossed,
we've got it right.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
And you know, I love the fact that we've been
able to pick two three young guys in our in
our squ mate just purely unmerit gone.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Who was the tightest call? You've started it, you can
finish it?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh, I think the last one on the bench.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
You know, whether that's Sam Healey tomorrow, mar And I'm
trying to think who else would have been in contention
for that. You know, Bunties had really strong showings preseason.
Eddie Rami is a guy that will come into contention
because of his versatility. So you know when I say
all those guys were you know we're in the mix,
(40:45):
they genuinely were in the mix.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
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