March 4, 2025 • 7 mins
An Indian politician has put her foot in it with a mean comment about cricketer Rohit Sharma.
Shama Mohamed called the Indian captain 'fat' in a tweet that she quickly deleted.
Dave Letele of Buttabean motivation has made a career out of helping himself and others lose weight - so D'Arcy Waldegrave got his thoughts on the whole thing on Sportstalk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's talk fat shaming on the program. Now it seems
archaic and old, and well it is, but it's relevant
after what happened today. We're joined now by David Tally,
famously losing kilogram after kilogram as a boxer comes back,
now runs a BBM. It's a butterbean motivation. They look
at helping people with their fitness, their weight loss and
(00:34):
a number of other aspects of their life. A community leader.
And he joins us now, Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Dave, Yeah, thanks having me on, bro, Yeah, good.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
To have you here. Tail. I heard today around the
let's call it what it is, the fat shaming of
road Shama, who was the captain of the Indian cricket team.
It seemed to me when I saw that to be
quite an archaic concept that some of the will point
out that someone's carrying a few extra pounds. Now, you're
a guy who's experienced this, You've gone through transformational work
(01:07):
on your body shape and your attitude. But where you
stand now just that shaming, body shaming of any place
in modern sport?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh not at all.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And you know it's not. You know, it's all about
sitting examples right there at the top of their game.
These guys that you know, the officials and all these
types of things. You know, you've got to send an
example for the people coming up, and it's not sitting
a very good example.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I suppose when you look at athletes and where they sit, though,
if they are at the top of their game, their
shape surely doesn't matter, or their weight or in some sports,
is it important.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, well I think it is sports dependent, you know
what I mean. And also you know, performance dependent, so
you know, for me, you know, it's never about having
a six packe. It's about being healthy and happy and
being able to maintain it and in this case, being
able to perform.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
When you went through your huge weight loss from a
boxer down as well, what was the biggest issue you
think you had and actually doing that and what.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Was the drive?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What was the motivation?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, you know, I lost one hundred kilos, bro, I've
managed to keep most of it. Often with how people
lose stars as of kilos, but you know, it's always
the weight loss and before and after pictures that's the wow.
But it's really it's about, you know, our lives, being
here for our for our children and our families, and
just being the best version of ourselves.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You know what drove me.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Was getting my getting my family back, getting my life
back together. To do that, I had to work on
myself and you know, become the best version.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
When it comes to being pointed out and this used
to be prevalent back in the day that that attitude
is plainly changing, but maybe in some areas it's not.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Such a change is going through me bro A lot
of the people that come into I mean it's hard
walking into the gym. You know, you've got a lot
of the times you're worried about what people are thinking,
and it's just hard to work up that courage people
walking through our doors and we're you know, we've got
a really you know, amazing environment, but even walking through here,
but sometimes people will sit outside for a month just
watching and so any times, you know, things like this
(03:04):
that happened at a high profile, it just makes it
harder for for people to start the duneys.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And when it comes to encouraging people, it's got to
come from within more than anything, doesn't it As opposed
to being if you will shamed into making that decision
that can't help.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
One hundred percent. You've got to support each other.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know, one of the pillars of BBM has been
around good people.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It doesn't sound like he's around you know, good people.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It was actually a she by the way, have you
on that as well? Also? But this is interesting because
a number of women's sport the weight isn't mentioned when
it comes to player descriptions. Height maybe not weight. I
think that's starting to transfer now into the men's game.
This again I use the word archaic, but the concept
(03:47):
of weight when it comes to describing a player, I
don't think that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Is relevant or helps.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, maybe in some sport it is.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, even when the way they measure it they still
using BMI, which is you know that is archaic and
that that should just be taken out as a measurement
tool because you know a lot of the all blacks,
you know, all black forwards are considered as obese. Know,
I myself would be considered morbidly obese. So you know,
I've got to look at the measuring tool as well.
It's for me, if if you're performing and you're healthy
and happy, that then you know, there's not much to
(04:16):
complain about, to be and my do.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You want to explain that for us people who may
be a bit slow on the uptake there because it
is an old kind of concept, but something has been
used for quite some time. What do they base it around, Dave.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, I mean it's a pretty generic general So it's
your body mass index index and I think they take
it your weights divided by your age and that's it.
So they don't take into you know, your muscle density,
your genetics, all these different types of things.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
So yeah, it is a really old fashioned tool.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And impossible to tell the health of someone based on
what they carry and how they stand. Because there are
some particularly amazing athletes that I suppose to your eye
don't look they are look like they are athletes. So
that's when you get comments like this, why they're that
opposition party member? And again it doesn't help that concept.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Percent you know again, I go back, you know, I
remember there was a when there was a big controversy
about being my you know a few years ago, they
were bringing up that a lot of the all blacks
would be considered you know, obese, which you know clearly
they're not.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
But it's just that that measuring tools' is outdated.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Does it stop younger people getting into sport feeling that
they are going to stand out or in the changing
seeds people are going to look at them? Is that
a mean tlesity?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Do you believe? Dave?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I'll use our example. You know my young son, he's
he's seven Brook, he plays rugby league and now he's
he's conscious about his weight. You know, he's talking to me, Dad,
can we go and train? I'm getting fat? You know,
it's seven. So there's so many pressures, especially on these
younger generations. You've got the social media that comparing themselves
against Instagram and what they see on YouTube, and now
(05:55):
you know with with you know, with athletes and going
through all the stuff they're going through. It's really tough.
So you know, it's we have to really work on
their mindset around that. So it's something that we're working
on with my son. You know, he's seven years old
and has this complex.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Is there such a thing as a healthy weight for
an athlete?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Do you think, David, I gain it? I think it's
sport dependent, bro, and you know, and how you're performing.
But everything comes down to me, like you know, are
you healthy and are you happy?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And can you maintain it?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And when you look at boxing, I suppose it is key,
isn't it Because you've got certain weight classes. You can't
mess with that or hide that. But it's not. Yeah,
that's an interesting concept in fight sports.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Uh one hundred sent You know a lot of these
guys are really unhealthy weight cuts to make a weight,
and you know it can be quite dangerous.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Advice to people in sport that maybe think they're carrying
too much or where do they go to to maybe
not necessarily seek solace, but advice around what they carry,
where they're going and what's healthy for them, because I'm
presuming that other people's advice and inputs probably quite key,
especially for the younger athletes.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I look, everything we say is just ignore the haters,
ignore the noise, use everything, every bit of adversity and struggle.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Use it as fuel to you to be better.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks'
b from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on
iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's talk fat shaming on the program. Now it seems
archaic and old, and well it is, but it's relevant
after what happened today. We're joined now by David Tally,
famously losing kilogram after kilogram as a boxer comes back,
now runs a BBM. It's a butterbean motivation. They look
at helping people with their fitness, their weight loss and
(00:34):
a number of other aspects of their life. A community leader.
And he joins us now, Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Dave, Yeah, thanks having me on, bro, Yeah, good.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
To have you here. Tail. I heard today around the
let's call it what it is, the fat shaming of
road Shama, who was the captain of the Indian cricket team.
It seemed to me when I saw that to be
quite an archaic concept that some of the will point
out that someone's carrying a few extra pounds. Now, you're
a guy who's experienced this, You've gone through transformational work
(01:07):
on your body shape and your attitude. But where you
stand now just that shaming, body shaming of any place
in modern sport?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh not at all.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And you know it's not. You know, it's all about
sitting examples right there at the top of their game.
These guys that you know, the officials and all these
types of things. You know, you've got to send an
example for the people coming up, and it's not sitting
a very good example.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I suppose when you look at athletes and where they sit, though,
if they are at the top of their game, their
shape surely doesn't matter, or their weight or in some sports,
is it important.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, well I think it is sports dependent, you know
what I mean. And also you know, performance dependent, so
you know, for me, you know, it's never about having
a six packe. It's about being healthy and happy and
being able to maintain it and in this case, being
able to perform.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
When you went through your huge weight loss from a
boxer down as well, what was the biggest issue you
think you had and actually doing that and what.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Was the drive?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What was the motivation?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, you know, I lost one hundred kilos, bro, I've
managed to keep most of it. Often with how people
lose stars as of kilos, but you know, it's always
the weight loss and before and after pictures that's the wow.
But it's really it's about, you know, our lives, being
here for our for our children and our families, and
just being the best version of ourselves.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You know what drove me.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Was getting my getting my family back, getting my life
back together. To do that, I had to work on
myself and you know, become the best version.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
When it comes to being pointed out and this used
to be prevalent back in the day that that attitude
is plainly changing, but maybe in some areas it's not.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Such a change is going through me bro A lot
of the people that come into I mean it's hard
walking into the gym. You know, you've got a lot
of the times you're worried about what people are thinking,
and it's just hard to work up that courage people
walking through our doors and we're you know, we've got
a really you know, amazing environment, but even walking through here,
but sometimes people will sit outside for a month just
watching and so any times, you know, things like this
(03:04):
that happened at a high profile, it just makes it
harder for for people to start the duneys.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And when it comes to encouraging people, it's got to
come from within more than anything, doesn't it As opposed
to being if you will shamed into making that decision
that can't help.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
One hundred percent. You've got to support each other.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know, one of the pillars of BBM has been
around good people.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It doesn't sound like he's around you know, good people.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It was actually a she by the way, have you
on that as well? Also? But this is interesting because
a number of women's sport the weight isn't mentioned when
it comes to player descriptions. Height maybe not weight. I
think that's starting to transfer now into the men's game.
This again I use the word archaic, but the concept
(03:47):
of weight when it comes to describing a player, I
don't think that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Is relevant or helps.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, maybe in some sport it is.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, even when the way they measure it they still
using BMI, which is you know that is archaic and
that that should just be taken out as a measurement
tool because you know a lot of the all blacks,
you know, all black forwards are considered as obese. Know,
I myself would be considered morbidly obese. So you know,
I've got to look at the measuring tool as well.
It's for me, if if you're performing and you're healthy
and happy, that then you know, there's not much to
(04:16):
complain about, to be and my do.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You want to explain that for us people who may
be a bit slow on the uptake there because it
is an old kind of concept, but something has been
used for quite some time. What do they base it around, Dave.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, I mean it's a pretty generic general So it's
your body mass index index and I think they take
it your weights divided by your age and that's it.
So they don't take into you know, your muscle density,
your genetics, all these different types of things.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
So yeah, it is a really old fashioned tool.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And impossible to tell the health of someone based on
what they carry and how they stand. Because there are
some particularly amazing athletes that I suppose to your eye
don't look they are look like they are athletes. So
that's when you get comments like this, why they're that
opposition party member? And again it doesn't help that concept.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Percent you know again, I go back, you know, I
remember there was a when there was a big controversy
about being my you know a few years ago, they
were bringing up that a lot of the all blacks
would be considered you know, obese, which you know clearly
they're not.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
But it's just that that measuring tools' is outdated.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Does it stop younger people getting into sport feeling that
they are going to stand out or in the changing
seeds people are going to look at them? Is that
a mean tlesity?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Do you believe? Dave?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I'll use our example. You know my young son, he's
he's seven Brook, he plays rugby league and now he's
he's conscious about his weight. You know, he's talking to me, Dad,
can we go and train? I'm getting fat? You know,
it's seven. So there's so many pressures, especially on these
younger generations. You've got the social media that comparing themselves
against Instagram and what they see on YouTube, and now
(05:55):
you know with with you know, with athletes and going
through all the stuff they're going through. It's really tough.
So you know, it's we have to really work on
their mindset around that. So it's something that we're working
on with my son. You know, he's seven years old
and has this complex.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Is there such a thing as a healthy weight for
an athlete?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Do you think, David, I gain it? I think it's
sport dependent, bro, and you know, and how you're performing.
But everything comes down to me, like you know, are
you healthy and are you happy?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And can you maintain it?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And when you look at boxing, I suppose it is key,
isn't it Because you've got certain weight classes. You can't
mess with that or hide that. But it's not. Yeah,
that's an interesting concept in fight sports.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Uh one hundred sent You know a lot of these
guys are really unhealthy weight cuts to make a weight,
and you know it can be quite dangerous.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Advice to people in sport that maybe think they're carrying
too much or where do they go to to maybe
not necessarily seek solace, but advice around what they carry,
where they're going and what's healthy for them, because I'm
presuming that other people's advice and inputs probably quite key,
especially for the younger athletes.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I look, everything we say is just ignore the haters,
ignore the noise, use everything, every bit of adversity and struggle.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Use it as fuel to you to be better.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks'
b from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on
iHeartRadio
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