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Jason Pine returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:

Craig Kirkwood - Coach of Sam Ruthe and Sam Tanner on their joint victory in Dunedin

Blair Tuke - Black Foils sailor ahead of SailGP San Francisco

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, Jodd, Good evening again, Welcome in. It's Monday night
sports Talk on News Talks. There'd be March ten. I'm
Jason Pine Show producer Any McDonald. We are here talking
sport with you until eight. Another sporting weekend of the books,
and in amongst a thrilling round of Super Rugby Pacific,
the Champions Trophy cricket final and everything else that was

(00:44):
going on, we had an utterly remarkable men's fifteen hundred
meter final at the National Track and Field Champs in
Dunedin yesterday. It finished in a dead heat that basically
never happens. Two time Olympian Sam Tanner and fifteen year
old rising star Sam Ruth hit the line together, could

(01:07):
not be separated, so they shared the title. They also
happened to share the same coach, Craig Kirkwood, who's with
us very shortly, specifically to talk about Sam Ruth and
how rare it is for a fifteen year old to
be doing what he is currently doing. Also tonight, Sale
GP hits Los Angeles this coming weekend. The Black Foils

(01:30):
looking to bounce back from two pretty disappointing regattas in
Auckland and then in Sydney. Co CEO and wing trimmer
Blair Chuck is with us as they prepare to head
off state side for LA followed by San Francisco and
Monday Night, of course, means Piney's Power rankings as we
look back at the sporting weekend and rate the best
and the worst and the bits in between from it.

(01:51):
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Speaker 1 (02:05):
Good great call is your call on eight Sports Talk
Call on your home of sports used talk.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
So as mentioned, incredible scenes at the New Zealand Track
and Field Champs in Dunedin yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Sam Tana, Sam Ruth, Oli Chignal.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
They enter the home straight.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Here they come, Sam Tana. He's gunning for five? Can
Sam Ruth bade them? Sam Sam? Here it is Sam Tanna,
Sam Ruth.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Oh my goodness, they've put the photo up on how
close this is?

Speaker 6 (02:40):
This is ridiculous. Could we have a dead heat? They've
both been given the exact same time. We're awaiting the call.
Look at this three four four, three oh three. It's
a dead heat. It's a dead heat. Ladies and gentlemen,
first e call. We have a dead heat.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
But we have a fifteen year old national champion.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
Oh my gosh, it'slate. The two roommates planned it all along.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
The unprecedented stuff really, two time Olympian and four time
New Zealand champion over the distance, Sam Tanner and fifteen
year old prodigy Sam Ruth sharing gold in the means
fifteen hundred meters after a dead heat in the final,
Officials unable to separate the two following a photo finish,
both recording exactly the same time, down to a one

(03:30):
thousandth of a second. Craig Kirkwood coaches both of these runners.
He joins us, now, congratulations on your charges finishing one
and two yesterday, Craig, in real time, as you were watching,
who did you think had won?

Speaker 7 (03:45):
To be honest, I had absolutely no yeah. Coming down
the straight of look, Tanna was going to target and
then Sam Ruth hit your deathity roll up on the
shoulder and almost out Landham. So yeah, I had no
idea at the time, and even watching the footage now,
I still can't think it.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
How uncommon is a dead heat in I know it happens.
I think it probably happens more often in the shorter
distances in a fifteen hundred meter race. Have you seen
a dead hate before?

Speaker 7 (04:14):
No? Never, not down to out thousands of a second,
there's some kind of separation there, known, I've never seen
that before my last.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
So presumably, yeah, so presumably the ideal scenario for you,
as their coach, was for the two of them to
take the top two places, which they did. As it
turned out, they sheared top place. It looked as though
Sam Tanner was looking to burn some of the others
off during the race.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
Was that the plan?

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Yeah, So, we we'd talked pre rate and we'd come
up with a plan for for the first five hundred
just be what it will be, and then Sam Tanner
to take the lead and then just increase the tempo
and then try and put everyone under pressure and hopefully
Sam Ride was strong enough to hold on and yeah,
take first and second, and they went one step better

(05:00):
and got two firsts. So yeah, pretty impressive that they
managed to pull off the plan and actually make you better.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
You said before Sam Ruth had the audacity down the
home straight, did you did? What were you seeing in
that last one hundred meters?

Speaker 7 (05:16):
I thought Sam Tanner had done enough to hold him out,
but yeah, just he folded a little bit in the
last twenty and Sam Ruth just yeah, just came up
on his shoulder and yeah, just tried to outlean him.
So it was bloody impressive running for a fifteen year
old to have the have the now be able to
give that, give that a crack. So it's pretty cool
to watch and he's an extremely talented young man.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
How unusual is it for a fifteen year old to
be doing what Sam Ruth is doing.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
There's only been a couple of athletes of that kind
of age bracket doing what he's doing at the moment.
And so you're talking about JACKA Binger Britson, who's you know,
world renowned and you know, considered the best at the distance,
and a young Australian guy eighteen, Cam Myers, who's done
the similar similar things over the last year is and

(06:07):
he's kind of tracking them the same way they have,
So it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
What is most impressive about the way he goes about
his middle distance running, Uh.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
Well, there's a few things. So his training is is
pretty low key. He's really just enjoying running with his
mates and having having a good time and being part
of a squad that is, you know, training really hard.
He's got a group of guys who he trains with
and you know, they're just all will good mates and
to hang out and they just love it, so that
really impressive. He's got an amazing racing brain. If you

(06:39):
watch him in the race, his furious duty, he knows
exactly what he's doing technically and some of those things
you can't teach it just it's just intuition. And he
kind of gets a ride every time, so you know,
and and he's also really humble, like you know, he
had the great Sam a message afterwards after the racing
to say, you know, thanks for the race and it

(07:00):
was great being you know, part of what we did
together and it's really appreciative and that that goes a
long way.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
That it does.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Most fifteen year olds are still growing. If he were
to shoot up a few more inches, would that help
him or hinder him.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
We'll see. I guess I don't know. I don't know
the answer to that. Probably help him. Yeah, though, if
you look at the crop of the best fifteen hundred
runs in the world, they are a little bit taller
these days, and holding your space on the track is
very important, and you know, for the bit more physical mass,
you can hold your space a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
But I guess you look at a guy like Sam Tanner,
who's not a big guy, is he he seems to
do it.

Speaker 8 (07:40):
He seems to do Okay, Yeah, he's a bit of
an exception to that all.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
But yeah, I mean most of them are. Most of
them are bigger and taller and potentially a little bit
kind of more physical.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You know, when you're planning his training programs, how careful
do you have to be with his loading, recovery things
like that, given that he is still just fifteen years
of age.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
Yeah, extremely careful. Would be really easy to get carried
away and chuck him into some training that will give
to Sam Tanner. But it's yeah, you just got to
keep in mind that he is fifteen, and he is
still growing, and he's got a lot of time left
in the sport and we have to be careful that
we nurture that load and just bring him through carefully

(08:20):
in training. What he does in racing is kind of
far exceeds where he is in training, but that's just
what it is.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
So you mentioned yak Ingerbritson before the Norwegian He's currently
twenty four. Great Britain's Josh Kerr is twenty seven. American
Cole Hawker, who sensationally one Golden Paris last year, is
twenty three years of age. But one of our greats,
Mick Willis, won Bronze at Rio in twenty sixteen when
he was thirty three. So when do middle distance runners

(08:46):
typically find their peak?

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Yeah, probably somewhere in their mid twenties, though would suggest
Nick was probably a little bit of an outlier and that
he had a really long career and was in the
sport for a a very long time. He was one
of the best in the world at twenty years old
as well, So it's yeah, he's got cameras, has got
a long time left in the sport, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
So given what he's doing now, could he Sam Ruth
feasibly go to the Commonwealth Games next year at the
age of seventeen. Could he go to the Olympics in
twenty twenty eight while he's still a teenager?

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Those are certainly part of the plan. So we'll see
what happens in the next year and a half and
whether he can get himself qualified for the Common Games
and where the Olympic Committee seems, you know, decide that
he's ready for that and happy to select him. We'll
have to wait and see, but hopefully.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, well it's good to know that it's part of
part of the general plan. I mean, one issue with
any athlete, and I'm sure you've seen this Craig in
any sport who shows promise at such a young age
is not getting too carried away with their success. You
mentioned Sam's humility before, so you're happy that he's got
the ability to stay grounded through all of this.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Yeah, I think so. He's a very humble ked and
you know, he's very kind and either way, very thankful
for you know, things that I'd done for him, and
his parents are very good at keeping him grounded. You know,
the experienced in the sport, and they know what it
takes and what kind of person you need to be
to be successful. So helping him on that junior as well.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
And no danger of burnout. I know that's another very
general term, but you know, given the fact that again
he is so young, no danger of him I don't know,
burning out, losing interest, that sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
Oh, I mean, I guess there's always that danger, but
I think when you're continually having success like he is,
and you know he's loving what he's doing and enjoying
the group of mates that he's training with, and you
know that it goes beyond just the training. They're kind
of hanging out, hanging out at each other's houses, and
you know, they hang out in the weekends and those
kind of things as well. So that the good friend

(10:50):
and there's a whole group of them doing the same
thing and they're just loving it.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Very cool, and you're now looking to see if he
can become the youngest person ever to run a sub
formnute mile. I think actually Inger Britson has that record
currently sixteen years and two hundred odd days.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
When is that planned?

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Yeah, So on the nineteenth of March and mounts mart
and Auckland, we're going to plan an attempt at SOB
four so and Sam Tano is gracious enough to be
pacemaker for that race. So yeah, so hopefully that happens
and he can be the first of a fifteen year
old to break four, which seemed absolutely ludicrous when I
say it, but you know, it's very much on the

(11:27):
cards and it'd be very exciting if he can actually
pull it off.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And just word on Sam Tanner, he's been to the
last two Olympic Games. He's gotten close to Nick Willis's
national fifteen hundred meters record of three twenty nine sixty six.
He's run three thirty one twenty four. That's ten seconds
faster than Sam last pebe, isn't it. So what do
you predict for Sam Tanner over the next few years.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Yeah, I think he's still I think he's still got
a lot of rinter improof. He's had a good indoor
season this year over in the US where he's run
three fifty one for the mile, and he's come back
and you know, he's been in a pretty heavy block
since he's been back from there, so he wasn't certainly
wasn't peaking for the National champs and he probably went
in and pretty tired and it maybe that showed, and

(12:07):
maybe it's read and you know they tied for the win.
But yeah, I think he can definitely run you know,
sub three thirty this summer in Europe and hopefully make
the World Championship final in Tokyo in September. So that's
that's kind of our goal. And I think you know,
he's showing good signs at that on target.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Good to hear.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Exciting times ahead as these two and I'm sure others
as well look to emulate the great key we middle
distance runners of the past. Craig, congrats on your important
to these two and obviously we're bloody well for you yesterday,
so I appreciate you taking the time for a tech
to us tonight.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
No, I know, Orry, thank you very much for cool No,
thanks for.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Joining us, Craig.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Craig Kirkwood their coach of both Sam Ruth and Sam Tanner.
Exciting times for both of them, really, I mean Sam
tann is still young ish as well, but Sam Ruth
fifteen lines are open at eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
I can't remember a fifteen year old New Zealand athlete
in any sport really being talked about like Sam Ruth

(13:06):
is being talked about now. What I hope and what
we all hope, I'm sure, is that he goes on
to fulfill his absolutely incredible potential. By the sounds of it,
he's got the right attitude from what Craig was saying there,
he's humble, he's got the right people around him. He's
just doing it because he loves it and loves hanging
out with his mates. So by the sounds of it,
he's got all the ingredients there to give it a

(13:28):
really distant crack. But fifteen is so young.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
I was trying to.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Think today of other sport people who we were told
when they were fifteen that they were going to be
great and they turned out to be great. Can think
of a couple of examples. Mealy Kerr is one. She
debuted for New Zealand when she was just sixteen and
has gone on to be one of, if not the

(13:55):
best women's cricketer in the world right now.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
So there's one.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Kin Williamson, I was reminded by producer Andy was widely
talked about when he was growing up as being a
future great and that wasn't just regionalized, because you often
hear about players in your region who they say, oh
that kid's going to be amazing, and it you know,
and it sometimes comes to pass, sometimes it doesn't. More

(14:21):
than that set, but King Williamson, I think was certainly
one who else who else will we told? When they
were fifteen sixteen? Like young who else will we told?
Was going to be great? And they turned out to
be our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two
ninety two on text. What so often happens, and I'm

(14:44):
sure we've all experienced this is we see someone at
that age or even younger who is miles better than
any of the players they're playing with or against, and
you say to yourself, he or she will be an
absolute star. I've lost count of the number of times
I've had someone say to me, hey, watch out for

(15:05):
this first five from such and such a school. He's
better than Dan Carter, or you know, keep an eye
on this girl, she's the next Dame Lisa Carrington. The
number of times I've heard things like that, they'll definitely
be one of our grades. But there is so much
that can happen between fifteen and when you leave school,

(15:29):
and not just for the very best athletes, for every teenager.
Apes of kids are great at sport at school, but
when they leave, for whatever reason, they just don't kick on.
You know, the same things happen they discover the opposite sex.
You know, they might start drinking alcohol or using drugs.
They might have the same structure wrapped around their sport

(15:51):
when they leave school then there was at school. I
know a lot of kids, you know, are involved in
school sport because it's all set up for them there.
But when they leave school, they've actually got to make
an effort to stay involved. They start working and that
becomes their priority. There are all sorts of reasons, but
sometimes teenage prodigies do make it. They do buck the trend.

(16:14):
And I sincerely hope that Sam Ruth is the exception
that proves the rule, because what he is doing right
now is just so exciting, just so exciting. Seven twenty
three news talks. He'd be oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty talking sports people, young sports people who get

(16:35):
hyped up and go on or don't go on, and
the reasons for it.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Hello, Ja, get it mate? How are very good? Jay?
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
It's not to sound like a broken record, but just
to reiterate what you were saying, it's something pretty special
about toting the boys College and the fantasy factory that
it is. In terms of the athletes that turns out,
there was at one stage Kane, Williamson, Pete Berling, and
Sammy Kane basically in that same cohort. Pete Berling was
i think signed to a Linget fifteen as.

Speaker 7 (17:03):
Part of their program.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Amazing and he was select and all slick kids too.
Sam Sam obviously came through late from rep Roar, but
there wash came Williamson and his and his twin brother.
Twin brother was great, great at sports as well, not
to the same level, but he was an academic as
well as I think he probably even slid a jersey

(17:26):
on for the first a seen, which is not too
shabby for a Super eight school.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's right, and it's it's interesting you landed on that
point about the type of people they were as well, Jay,
you know, amazing sports people as well, but clearly and look,
I've had the chance, the very happy chance to speak
to each of those three gentlemen in an interview situation,
and they just come across as quality human beings.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, no, they really are. Kane's Maum was the receptionist,
well basically the school receptionist, the total of the boys
college as well, so he had a bit of a
pressure in that way.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Soon get found out, Soon get found out.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I think there's also something with those and may or
may not have any sort of relevance to why and
how they've become who they are.

Speaker 9 (18:09):
But if you do reach.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
That level of success or, I guess you had the
skill set to take you into those positions and those
senior teams at a younger age. It can be the
making or the breaking of you. It can be the
terrible pest drinking culture, or it can sort of derail you,
or it can just show you what it is and
what it needs to be to be in that top tier,
so you get it before anybody ouse in a fairly

(18:32):
formative part of your life.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Yeah, it's a great point, Jay, It's such a good point.

Speaker 10 (18:37):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well totong my boys represent. I'm sure there's many more
to come. Yeah, cheers, mate, go well, you go well too, Jay,
All the best. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty seven,
twenty five. Somebody else has said, yes, Peter Berlin very young.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
What did ja just say?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
He's signed to Allingey at fifteen, Liam Lawson, don't forget motorsports.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Is this one?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Well, if we're talking motorsports, Scott Dixon. I remember a
news item on Scott Dixon when he was racing. They said,
you know, carts and he was just his fresh face,
ginger freckled kid, you know, and look what he's gone
on to do. I know his English say, Is this
one brought about Luke Littler?

Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (19:15):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Was he sixteen when he made the World Darts final,
seventeen when he became a world champion. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty talking talking teenage sports people and
those who have gone on and what it is about
them that enables them to back in a second weekend
sport eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You need for the TMO, We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk. Call oh, eight hundred eighty eight News Talk sav.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's seven twenty nine, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you text before we get back to the lines.
A lot of people are talking about have mentioned lydia
Co and yes, obviously she has won. It's there's a
little bit of a distinction in that in the likes
of Lydia Cohen Luke Littler. I guess is another example
as that they've gone straight to the top, whereas there

(20:09):
are so many examples. And I said at the top
of the show, and I'm sure you have have come
across these where there's somebody and everyone's talking about them,
you know, a teenage or school boy or schoolgirl prodigy,
and they're saying, look out for that name, remember the name.
And sometimes it happens, but I think more often than

(20:29):
not it doesn't. For the reasons that we talked about before.
Other things take priority. But ones who who people were
talking about and everyone said they were going to be
a huge star and they've turned out to be oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Helen, you want to
talk about Lydia co Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:46):
Well, Lydia Coe she was number one at sixteen, and
she's had her ups and downs, but look at her
now and she's twenty seven and she's just going on
and on and on.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, and I hope she'd I hope she keeps going, Helen,
because I'm sure you've heard that she's she's at some
stages going, you know what, I might try something else.
I mean, she seems to be at the speak of
her powers.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yes, now going Australia Ash party.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
She was another one, was it she?

Speaker 6 (21:16):
Yeah, she has got lots of sports.

Speaker 10 (21:17):
She was.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
She was a very good cricketer before she was a
tennis player from memory, and I think she was also.
I think she had a golf ball okay as well
now and so yeah, who's good and everything?

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Thank you for your call.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I appreciate it very much. O eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is and I'm a gonna Chris, how
are you?

Speaker 9 (21:34):
How do you mate?

Speaker 7 (21:36):
How about how.

Speaker 9 (21:38):
Things are good for me and yourself?

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Very good?

Speaker 6 (21:40):
Thanks mate? Sorry? Teenage sports people.

Speaker 9 (21:42):
Yes, yes, and so I went to the game of rugby.
I can't remember it was the Crusaders or Canterbury, but
I used to go to both En PC super as
a kid. And my favorite player of all time got
taken off, Andrew Mertens. And then there was this some
teenager who took his spot and I was like, dad,

(22:02):
what are they doing taken off Andrew Martins? And then
he said, and he goes, well, the coaches probably want
to develop them for the future and give him an opportunity.
Is like, yeah, but he's the first one. Well, Dan Carter,
I knew what was going to be him.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I knew what you were going to say then, Chris, Yeah, yeah,
it's and card is another one, right. He was talked
about a lot, although when he first came into the
All Blacks I was I wasn't you know. I don't
think I could say without fear of contradiction that he
would go on to be as good as he was,
because he started off at second five really for the
All Blacks.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Didn't Hey, yeah, one hundred percent and like and he
was sort of in that same sort of mold like
Aaron Major, where he could play ten or twelve and
maybe jump back to fullback at times, sort of utility player.
But as soon as he's gotten that ten jersey for
the Crusaders then the All Blacks, he came into his
own and the rest of history.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's another example and another example of that wonderful factory
down there off first five eighths in Readom Country. Good
to talk to you, Chris, Thanks and day another Chris, Hell,
are you want to about the cricket?

Speaker 11 (23:10):
Chris?

Speaker 12 (23:11):
Yeah, I do that party just quickly I went otherd
in counties and I used to watch the school with
rugby and Joana Loone who was playing number eight then
for Wesley.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
I've seen that footage. Yeah, I've seen that footage now.

Speaker 12 (23:24):
When we used to go to Poky there was a
lot of interested senior rugby selectors watching him.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, I look rightly. So I've seen some footage
of yeah, coming off the back of scrums and but
also just sprinting the length of the field with with
you know, would be tacklers just flailing behind him.

Speaker 12 (23:45):
Chris yeah, yeah, and just quickly Dan Carda I thought
went out of a napirt and Dan cartera they brought
the shield down to play MC Canbry and Dan Carter
was still in this last year. Sorry christs boiled in
when he played for Canbrey. Yeah yeah, So just two
things on the cricket, One about Sharma Sharma, particularly Sharma,
and then a couple just click things on the crew. Honestly,

(24:07):
Robert Sharma when we d something three nil, he never
acknowledged New Zealand never congratulated them. It was all about
how bad they were. And today when he was Man
of the match and and and and chapt as the
presentation winning not one comment about New Zealand. I mean
him and Ravishastri are so arrogant.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even pick up on that,
to be honest, Chris. I mean, look, I sort of
feel if they want to, if they want to thank
the opposition, you know, good on them. If they don't,
then will Yeah, I don't lose too much sleep over
if I'm honest.

Speaker 12 (24:45):
Sky now fair enough. And the other thing is when
Williamson went out, they should have bought Philip, they should
bought Phillips and to keep the momentum going and drop
mitchelland and laid them down. And I mean Daryl Mitchell,
he froze.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I just think it was Yeah. I just think he
was tied up by the spinners. Yeah, I'll well, I
just think he was tied up by their spinners. And
a lot of banners in this tournament have been Chris,
you know, jee is what they how many overs did
they get out of their spinners as well into youth
over thirty five close to forty. I just think Mitchell
and and lath them and even Phillips when he came

(25:22):
in it he wasn't the free scoring Glenn Phillips that
we've come to know and love, probably because they were
so many wickets down and just wanted to try and
at least steady the ship a bit. The one bloke
who did break the shackles was Michael Bracewell. Once he
got it, appreciate Core Chris got to move because we
need to get to Blair Chuck Sale gp HiT's LA.
This weekend March sixteen, seventeen, the Black Foils fourth after

(25:45):
three events. The latest are challenging outing on Sydney Harbor
a month.

Speaker 13 (25:49):
Ago trillions as they now have increased their lead over
two hundred meters over second place in France. So you
see New Zealand they are just limping through the course.
They're going to finish dead last and points at TV.
I think it's got to be some kind of mechanical,
some kind of issue on board.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Black Foils co CEO and from a Blair Chuke as
whether u's on Sports Talk, thanks for joining us, Blair.
What were the main things that came up in your
debrief of that last event on Sydney Harbor.

Speaker 10 (26:14):
Yeah, it was certainly a good one.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
Obviously, every event we want to try and step forward afterwards.
That's the name of the game at sal GP. But
you know, I think we'd be the first to admit
that the performances both day one in Sydney and the
one here in Toomack Andy Makodo weren't at the level
that they that we expect of ourselves. So yeah, very

(26:36):
star at debrief. You know, as always these things, it's
not just one thing that we're not performing or not
at the level we should be.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
So it's right across. Obviously there's starting.

Speaker 8 (26:48):
It's a big, big area of focus in sol GP,
and that hasn't been a high enough level. We're still
a new combination and the way we're maneuvering the boat
and locking it into straight line boat speed. Again, it's
not that show moments of promise, but in the tidle

(27:09):
moments which obviously happened a lot, in the style of
racing that's coming unstuck a bit. So probably two big
areas we're focusing on. But yeah, also a lot of
excitement within the group with the growth that's ahead of
us as.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
A unit and yeah, where we can go.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
So obviously yeah, thorough debrief, but excited about the challenges ahead.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Just on the start splare, why isn't it quite coming
together for you at the start of races.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
At the moment, well, the start of races is the
time on distance is challenging to do and it's not
something we've had moments of doing it well in the
last couple of seasons, but of recent times it's been
an area that's that's led us down and we've been
able to sail back through the fleet due to having

(27:55):
good boat speed or maneuvers and the way we strategically
position the boat around the race course. But yeah, if
you don't start in that front half, like above fifth
to the first mark on average, then it's challenging to
always claw your way back. So look, it's without going

(28:15):
into a lot of details that it's really the timing
and the positioning when you pull the trigger, which is
like when you actually from jostling for position to finally
going for it. That's probably a key focus for us,
especially especially when you're tight with the other boats.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
And you talk before about gelling as a team. And
of course you've had a personnel change with Leo Takahashi
coming on board this year as flight controller. Is that
still a work in progress as you go about integrating
him into your team.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.
It's integration. Got a huge amount of credit for Leo.
He's doing a great job. He's with a lot of talent,
and he's doing a good job with managing these new
defoils and in.

Speaker 10 (29:04):
The way he's controlling the boat.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
So I think think the area to work on is
actually back on Peter myself and how we work.

Speaker 10 (29:12):
With Leo and and the communication.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
You know, as you have a new combination anything, whether
it's a sports team or in someone in business, you
have to you can't just keep rolling how you have
done previously.

Speaker 10 (29:25):
You have to adapt. Then I don't think we've done
that integration for Leo to the to the level that
we should have.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
So yeah, that's that's been a key, key area of
focus for us. And just the more you can be
in sync as a as a unit, then in those
type moments you can have more shared consciousness and then
get a bit of a result for either controlling the
boat accurately and fast or making a better decision.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
In cl GP which is more important handling the boat
or positioning the boat on the race course.

Speaker 10 (30:01):
Well, it's yeah, great, great question.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
I think for the starf it's incredibly important for sure
that if you can be at this top few and
start and the time you get to mark one and
that everyone mostly handles a boat to a level where
you should stay towards the front and at least on average.
But the times, and it's been strength to ours over

(30:26):
the last few seasons, is the times that you are
back and in the type moments, if you can control
the boat accurately, you can make it go fast, then
you can call your way out of difficult situations.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
So yeah, it's a combination.

Speaker 8 (30:39):
It's a combination in all sailing races.

Speaker 10 (30:42):
It's never just.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Af you're the fastest boat that helps, but still got
a position well and make smart, smart decisions to get
around the racetrack faster than someone else.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You've had a couple of events now on the new
T foils they divote in Auckland. You also had them
at Cerdney. Of course, are you getting used to the
new t foils and sailing on them?

Speaker 8 (31:04):
Yeah, I think the new fours have been uh well,
it's a great opportunity for everyone in the fleet to
have a new challenge. Would be on that those the
more conventional alfoils for the hot l GPS a conception,
so all the teams are relishing that opportunity to learn,
and some teams are doing it to a better level

(31:24):
than others.

Speaker 10 (31:25):
But yeah, we're enjoying that challenge. It's you know, I.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
Think on average they are actually a little bit easier
to control, especially the straight line components. But as we
saw here in Lockland Harbor with outgoing parent windy conditions,
tight race trade, that there still the absolute handful to
control and probably the maneuvers and the final details of

(31:49):
the control through the maneuvers as an area that all
teams are giving getting their hands on getting a handle
of still.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
So next up Los Angeles next weekend. You sail there,
was it last year, maybe the year before. What are
conditions likely to be like in Los Angeles in terms
of the wind and sea conditions and the race course itself.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
Yeah, the racetrack in LA so that's down in Long Beach.
It's a tight race track, so it's similarish to the
size of in a harbor here in Auckland and the
White and Mata, So yeah, expect really close racing.

Speaker 10 (32:27):
When we it was actually two years ago we raced there.
It was actually quite light wind.

Speaker 8 (32:33):
But in general in Los Angeles, you can expect good
sea breezes in the afternoon, seabreez to really bring.

Speaker 10 (32:42):
The wind the window.

Speaker 8 (32:43):
So that's yeah, we'll wait and see what we get,
but for sure fight racetrack and then obviously, as speaking now,
we'd still down the battle of the first double hitter.
So back to back weekends with Sam Frian just a
week later.

Speaker 10 (32:55):
Which conditions there?

Speaker 8 (32:57):
Obviously we're a bit more accustomed to We've sell there
three or four times now, and it's a more traditional
race track which is a bit more open, uh in
length and uh you know, more opportunities to let the
boats over a longer period.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
All right, And just while I've got you, there's been
talk this week of the next America's Cup potentially being
back in New Zealand. You might defend it on home
waters if everything can be brought together. How would you
feel about a return to Auckland to defend.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, well, I think, as I mentioned earlier, just you know,
the hyper around the sal gp here when we race
only a month ago now, it was soon awesome to
see the public support for a great sailing and so
you know, I'm not surprised that you know, there's plenty
of discussions now and obviously not directly involved with them,

(33:47):
but it's interesting watching it bubbling away for sure.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Do you have any influence on all as sailors?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Are you able to you know, put a word in
the right ear or do you really just leave it
to those a bit higher up the food jam and you.

Speaker 10 (34:00):
Doing that?

Speaker 8 (34:00):
So I mean that obviously may focus currently as prepping
on Laan's and then you know the role with the
team in last times predominantly just around trying to make
the boat go as fast as we can and race
it better than other people.

Speaker 10 (34:14):
So that's where my main focus has been for a
number of years with with the team ins edge fair.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Enough well, I think a lot of us hope that
it will be on home waters. That's all to come.
Immediate focus for you in the meantime is sele gp
off to la for next weekend's event. All the best, Blair,
thanks for chatting to us.

Speaker 10 (34:30):
As always, Yeah, Coat and less the chat.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Thank you, Matte, Thank you Blair. Blair check their co
CEO and wing trimmer with the Black Foils off to
Los Angeles this coming weekend. Thanks for all your texts
on the on the young sports people who went on
to be great. The other distinction I think is that
there are some sports which lend themselves to youngsters getting
involved early. And I think swimming is probably one of
those where you know, teenage swimmers are not you know,

(34:57):
that's not rare, you know, I mean high quality teenage swimmers.
It tends to be a sport that that that kids
get into much younger. Gymnastics probably similar, whereas middle distance
running is interesting with Sam Ruth and that. As I
said to his coach yaka Binger Britain, I think it's
twenty four. But Nick Willis won a bronze medal at

(35:18):
the Olympic Games in the fifteen hundred meters when he
was thirty three. So what might a fifteen year old
do if he continues on this trajectory.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
I guess we wait and see sixteen away from eight.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
As I say, thanks for all your calls and your
texts on that much appreciated Back soon with Piney's Power.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
Rankings for the weekend Power Rankings. Time for Piney's Power Rankings.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
This is where we rate the best, the worst and
the in between bits from the sporting weekend.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
We do it every Monday let's go.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
The French rugby team in pole position now for the
six Nations after victory over Ireland and victim.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
The long and look.

Speaker 12 (36:01):
Who's only shown.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
At the rector breaking million.

Speaker 10 (36:08):
Mental moments.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
From all Kin equal Shy Store, Johnny and Kennel forty
twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
So victory over Scotland and Paris this coming Sunday will
give France the sixth Nations title for the first time
since twenty twenty two nine. The Wellington Phoenix women staying
in touch in the A League.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
There is the final whistle.

Speaker 14 (36:33):
Celebrations for Paul Temple and the Wellington Phoenix. Vor Tanaka
were her first goal for her club and Olivia Ferguson
with the icing on the cake send the Yellow Fever
home happy.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Two one over Western Sydney yesterday.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
They're one point off the top six with five matches
to play eat staying with football Auckland FC a club
record eight games unbeaten, but they needed to come from
behind against Newcastle yesterday to secure a one to one
drawer snack.

Speaker 15 (37:01):
On decent delivery and there is the equalizer this time.
Randall does yet his goal, replacing Max Matta in the
starting site.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Six points Claire Auckland FC with a game in hand
and seven matches left to play in the regular season.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Seven.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Glenn Phillips proving once again he is the best catcher
in world cricket.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
That's in the air and what a chats Just stop
to them, this is it wan again? Oh look at that.
There's a lesson in it.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
Do not hit anything in the air around Glenn Filips
to his vehicle about him.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Unfortunately, not enough to propel the black Caps the victory
in the Champions Trophy Finals.

Speaker 11 (37:47):
Six.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
The Fiji and Drewer in Super Rugby. Another home win
with some terrific tries over the top.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
Of Edward field.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
If by logut him Bussy who puts on a little
trip of his own up the center field. He's out
on his own, just seas to fall on the ball
and loc Gunny Bussy has scored under the sticks for
the Fiji and Drawer.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
They love it.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Five into the top after Mask Rose, winner of the
inaugural four and a half million dollar New Zealand bloodstot
keiwe at Alice Lee on Saturday.

Speaker 14 (38:13):
You threw on the inside the mask Roses getting the
Besrael's run you've ever.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Seen pleasy pepperak on ther type of famous running on empty.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
To Mass rose on the inside the petheragat.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
White chip, Nate Treader said to mass roast.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
To Uko do it again, what the greatest route you've
ever seen?

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Four four is White Ferns batter Georgia Plummer.

Speaker 11 (38:35):
That is a gift for Georgia Plumber, who receives it
with both hands. A maiden one day International century for
Georgia Plummer, the thirty youngest White Ferns who achieved the
feat behind Merely Kerr and Susie Bates.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
What a great moment and guiding the White Ferns to
a two nil series win over Sri Lanka. Three Back
to rugby and Mowana PACIFICA with an inspirational super Rugby
went over the Hurricanes or he attacks contacts got.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
The ball, Mowana I got to chalk it over the
touch line.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
While I call this competition super Rugby Pacific. The power
of the Pacific has been felt today. First a drawer,
Now Mawana pacifica not over Hillie teams in succession. Mowanna
pacificat forty the Hurricane's.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Thirty one two Superman Paul Cole defending his New Zealand
Squash Open titles called down.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
I did believe that the level of played it became racket.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Well, that's class from elsbags.

Speaker 14 (39:49):
From fourth goal and his all happened in the blake
fromna there really from ninety three.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
He's defending his title and he is in style.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
There three one over Mohammadedel Shawbagi yesterday for Paul Cole,
but he wasn't number one. That was that did heat
between the two SAMs in the fifteen hundred meter final
in Dunedin yesterday.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Sam Tana, Sam Ruth, Oli Chignell.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
They entered the home straight.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Here they come, Sam Tana. He's cunning for five cad.
Sam Ruth made them Sam Sam Here it is sat Tana.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
Samrus Oh my goodness, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Indeed, I didn't know where to put the Crusaders, so
I just didn't put them in at all.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
I did note Binney that he were pretty happy about
the Wellington Phoenix women's team winning a game, so you
could include a Wellington team well.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I included your note that I did include Malana pacific
A's win over the Hurricanes, so I didn't get too.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
Surly on it. Fair enough, fair enough, well, they deserve
to be there.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
To me, I say, it was a magnificent performance from me,
wasn't it.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
It was great to see more of.

Speaker 10 (41:03):
More of it.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
I hope to go and beat lots of other teams
this world, most other teams aside from one in particular.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Those are Piney's Power rankings. We do them every Monday night,
back again next Monday, seven to eight, four to eight.
Final piece correspondence comes from Leon and Melbourne Piney. Rough
weekend for most of our New Zealand sports teams, but
a glimmer of success from this side of the ditch.
Former Tall Ferns coach Kennedy Katyama coached his Bendego Spirit
to the w NBL title over the weekend. Most of

(41:30):
the spotlight is on my Melbourne United men's team, says Leon,
currently in the NBL finals, but the women's team from
Victoria did us proud. I thought that was well worth
a mention with very little coverage of the women's game
and wonderful achievement with a Keiwi at the helm steering
his team to their maiden championship. Thank you Leon, Congratulations
to Kennedy Kidiama. And the Bendigo Spirit Basketball team w

(41:54):
NBL title.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Winners for this season.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
That is US on Sports Talk for tonight. The show
returns tomorrow night and right across the week between seven
and eight pm. Doucy Watergrave behind the mic for the
rest of the week. We're Bad on Saturday and Sunday
with weekend Sport. We being me and Andy McDonald, who
I must thank for superb production qualities as usual, enjoy
a couple of days off bat Thank you for listening
in as well. We'll see on the weekend. Marcus Lush

(42:20):
is on your radio after eight o'clock to take you
through the rest of March ten, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
Enjoy that. We'll see you on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
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