March 25, 2025 • 12 mins
All Whites coach Darren Bazeley has quickly turned his attention from qualifying to planning the build-up to the 2026 World Cup.
New Zealand's 3-nil win over New Caledonia booked a third visit for the All Whites to the sport's showpiece.
Bazeley says they will keep active as they can in FIFA international windows as well as keeping the lines of communication open.
New Zealand's next fixtures are against Ivory Coast and Ukraine in Toronto in June.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from news Talk sed be Ye.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's coming up eleven minutes after seven, so let's call it.
It's Tuesday, twenty fifth, March twenty twenty five. This is
Sports Talk and we're joined now by Darren Baisley. Darren
is the master mind behind the All Whites progressing to
the World Cup. They got it done last night at
Eden Park. He joins us now with success sitting on
(00:33):
his shoulder. Darren bezie, mate, Hey, I'm pretty happy, not
as happy as you and your men would be after
what happened last night. Look, you would have had time
to reflect now. I don't know how deep you've reflected
on what happened, But what are the big things that
you pull out of that victory last night? I in
(00:54):
New Caledonia.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know it was it probably still hasn't sunk in.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You know the magnitude of it, and you know what's
coming obviously we you know, we've been set out to
qualify for the last year and went through all the
qualification games and you know, yesterday I thought Friday night
we performed really well and obviously had that game where
everything went our way and it was a nice, comfortable
evening and yesterday was a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I thought New Caledonia came and I thought they performed
very well, and it ended up a slightly different game
where we needed to do a little bit different play
a different way, you know, and it became a little
bit edgy. I mean, we had chances first half and
cleared off the line and hit the post, but you know,
we didn't get that early goal that settles everything down,
and you know, we had to change a few things
at halftime and it ended up being good, but it
(01:41):
was probably a little bit tighter than we wanted, and
I gave everyone a little bit of I suppose a
little bit of scare to think, you know, we're definitely
getting there. Boys were so focused on qualifying, so I
think there was maybe a little bit of added pressure
on top of them, you know, for this qualification period.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But yeah, in the end, we got the job done.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
A big picture of your face smiling on the screen
at the start, and it slowly chat over the first
half as things got more and more stressful. So the
ability for your team to stand up under extreme mental pressure,
because the only pressure put on the team was internal
I'm sure thinking we should get through, thinking we should
(02:23):
this one. But when it comes to a game where
it's all or nothing qualification for the World Cup, you
can't replicate that pressure, can you, Darren?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You can't really. And it's a weird one because all the.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Players and ourselves, you know, we're totally aware that you know,
we were the favorites and the stronger team and gain
it's a game we should win every time. You know,
that adds a weird different type of pressure, that expectation,
and when you put so much on the line. I
think we went into it with the right mindset, but
(02:55):
you know, when we missed a couple of chances and
it just didn't quite go our way like it did
Friday and early on, it definitely became a little bit
frustrating for the players. And I think that could sense
that little edge because they just wanted they just wanted
to bring it home quickly and get the job done,
and we had to wait a little bit longer than
we maybe wanted to.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What do you say to the guys at halftime when
they're dealing with this weight of favoritism. How do you
approach that you saw what you saw in the first.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Half, didn't you change much mentally down I mean, we.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I felt like we had a good half time, you
know that. I mean, the players are great anyway, So
we were pretty calm in there, and you know, we
looked at some of the things that we could do
slightly different, you know, and be better at in the
second half. How we're going to actually hurt you know,
new Kelly and actually get this win. So you know
that involved playing you know a little bit differently and
playing a bit quicker and playing forward more and getting
(03:48):
you know, those runs in behind, but we need to
play the balls in behind, and because they were set
up in a pretty compact, deep defensive block, so you know,
we needed to actually force the game rather than just
dominate possession. So we yeah, and then obviously we made
a few changes, made two substitutions, and we just wanted
to add some maybe fresh energy potentially, you know, the
(04:11):
starting lineup rolling over and going again. You know, you
look back and think, Okay, was that the right decision?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
At the time, we thought it was because Friday was
so good.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But you know, I think at halftime we thought, right,
we need to inject some from fresh legs and we
did that with Eli and Franny, and yeah, his second
half was good and it went really well.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It did three goals, one of them from the most
unlikely source, but what a cross before Boxhil managed to
get it. And I'm sure that relieved Chris Wood as well,
because when he was pulled you can see the stress
on his face too. He wants to be there to
fary his mien through such as the nature of Chris Wood.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I know, yeah, it was obviously a real blow for
Chris and us, you know, when he had to come off.
But you know, that's why we have this deep squad
and we have players that you can come on and
replace players and come on and do a job. And
thought did that very well. But going back to boxing,
I mean, we've waited a long time for him to
score for the Whites. He scored goals at his clubs,
(05:14):
you know, I've watched them score goals for Minnesota. But
that was a special moment for him, you know, at
his stage of his international career. To finally get that
goal into such a big moment in such a big game,
you know, with the rewards at stake was massive, So
it was great for him.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What it was now down Bazi, do you process what
happened on then pretty much had a jeecked and start
again from fresh.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean we get into planning pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Obviously we've got you know, the next four windows June, September, October,
November with the international windows, so yeah, we're looking to
get all of those windows with good fixtures confirmed, which
means we can start planning against oppositions. And I think,
you know, we've had to treat the Oceanic Qualifiers slightly differently,
you know, in regards to the levels that we play,
(06:06):
so it is it is a little bit different, you
know when we're when we're playing the island teams and
we're the heavy favorites because most of the time when
we play you know, around the world, you know, it's
the other way around. We're the under ranked team playing
against other teams. So that adds a different dynamic. So
it's definitely stuff we've we've had to deal with. And
if I look back to the Nation's Cup last year
(06:27):
and the well, the five qualification games we've had, you know,
we've we've done really well. We've won every game. I
think we're only conceded one goal and scored torpload of
goals so safely navigated through the Oceania opposition games that
we've played.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
What do you do outside of the windows? What can
you physically do around preparation for your players? They're far flung,
they're all out of the world, they're all playing in
different leagues. Is there anything you can do down.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
No, not really, because you know, they're all in professional
environments and you know, I keep in touch with them
very regularly, you know, pretty regularly, mostly though, around how
it's going at their club, because you know, what we
can't do is overload them with our information when they're
preparing to play, you know, if it's words he's preparing
to play against an Arsenal or Tottenham, you know, or
(07:16):
Libby's preparing to play against Juventus and AC Milanum, you know,
so we can't really be sending.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Them information of what we want.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So, yeah, we we just make sure that we keep
in touch with all the players and that we prepare
and organize ourselves as staff to be the best we
can be, so that when we get together, you know,
the detailing information we give out is clear and concise,
and we can get that to the players pretty quickly.
Once they depart their clubs for each window.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's not your job by presuming as an anyway to
secure the opposition for the international windows. But now that
you've qualified, does that make it easier for in his
own football to actually secure quality opposition in the builder?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, it does, because you know, everybody wants to prepare
for World Cups, and you know, we're now one of
five now teams that have qualified, you know, with Japan
qualifying the other day and the three host nations, so
you know, we're we're quite sought after in a team
that everybody now knows is going to be at the
(08:17):
World Cup, you know, and that's opposition that people like
to play against.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So it does. It does help us with fixtures.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
That the hard thing for us is that most of
the countries have qualification games in these windows, so it's
it's something that not everybody understands that, you know, we
can't just organize a game at any stage. We're governed
by FIFA and there's only sort of two two game
days really that we can play in each window, and
each window is sort of nine days long, so each
(08:46):
it's not like a club you can just organize a game.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
We have to It can only be at a certain time.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And if you countries have their fixtures lined up in
regards to qualification games, then obviously they're not available to
play friendly so or or internationals rather than calling them friendlies.
But yeah, we've got we've got some great games lined
up through the year. It's going to be a really
exciting year of preparing and play a lot of highly
ranked teams, you know, try and play against a lot
(09:11):
of different opposition from different confederations to ensure that once
we know what group we're in at the World Cup,
which will be next December, then we'll have had some
experience playing against all these different teams.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Learning process for everybody, doren Bazi, what have you learned
around dealing with far flung talent. That's the hardest thing
you got to deal with, and I spect every other
international coach has got a similar problem. But New Zealand
so far away from anywhere and players dotted all over
leagues all over the country. If you picked anything up
(09:46):
in this process around the best way to develop and
work with these players.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I mean, the best way for us to develop them
really is for them to get into really good environments,
you know, and it's the clubs that develop them.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
We make selections, we monitor and assess them, make some selections,
and then we bring them together, you know, and we
really work hard on the the culture.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Our style of play is sort of.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
In bed now and we don't we don't chop and
change formation so that the players when you look at
this last window, we only really had two training sessions,
so we can't do something completely different. We have to
be consistent with how we play so that players once
they come in, you know that we have a process
where they can switch from their environments into our environment
and get straight into it really quickly. So we have
(10:31):
to keep information pretty clear and concise so that they're
not having to think or how do we how do
we want to play this window? How we playing that,
you know in that moment. So yeah, we've been building
that over a few years now, so that's well, and
then the rest we just build on culture and making
sure that you know, every time they come together, you know,
they're connected back to each other, back to New Zealand
(10:52):
and back to our you know, our campaign plan.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Really and Darren, one last thing, and thanks so much
for giving us some of your time. You must be
sick to death of the media by name. Been absolutely
tavern it. Since that victory, the next step I say,
and feel free to say no, you're wrong. Qualifying for
the World Cup is massive. It's a much easier path
this way round. So it was a fear to say that.
(11:15):
Get into the round of thirty two when the World
Cup starts is an essence the next form of qualifying,
if you will.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, you know, we the players and the staff and
we've obviously discussed it a lot, and what are we
trying to achieve, and yeah, we want to go to
the World Cup and do something. You know, we do
want to get out of the group. You win games
of football at World Cups and you know, and do
something that really really can affect the game here in
New Zealand and that people can be proud of. So yeah, definitely,
(11:45):
they're they're looking. I mean, that's the goal, get out
of the group and see where that takes us. We
know that every game we play at the World Cup
is going to be against a higher ranked opposition and
a team, you know, a very good team.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So that's it is difficult.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
But I think we've got a really good, strong squad,
you know, their cohesion. Whilst we haven't got all these
players playing in the top leagues, you know what we
have is this cohesion of players that grew up together,
played club football together, played in the under sevent teams,
the under twenties together. You know, I know each other
pretty well, which isn't always the case for some international teams.
(12:21):
They might have all players playing in top leagues. But
you know, we've got something a little bit different. And
the culture that the players have driven and are really
brought into also also gives us that little bit extra
when we play against these top teams.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's coming up eleven minutes after seven, so let's call it.
It's Tuesday, twenty fifth, March twenty twenty five. This is
Sports Talk and we're joined now by Darren Baisley. Darren
is the master mind behind the All Whites progressing to
the World Cup. They got it done last night at
Eden Park. He joins us now with success sitting on
(00:33):
his shoulder. Darren bezie, mate, Hey, I'm pretty happy, not
as happy as you and your men would be after
what happened last night. Look, you would have had time
to reflect now. I don't know how deep you've reflected
on what happened, But what are the big things that
you pull out of that victory last night? I in
(00:54):
New Caledonia.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know it was it probably still hasn't sunk in.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You know the magnitude of it, and you know what's
coming obviously we you know, we've been set out to
qualify for the last year and went through all the
qualification games and you know, yesterday I thought Friday night
we performed really well and obviously had that game where
everything went our way and it was a nice, comfortable
evening and yesterday was a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I thought New Caledonia came and I thought they performed
very well, and it ended up a slightly different game
where we needed to do a little bit different play
a different way, you know, and it became a little
bit edgy. I mean, we had chances first half and
cleared off the line and hit the post, but you know,
we didn't get that early goal that settles everything down,
and you know, we had to change a few things
at halftime and it ended up being good, but it
(01:41):
was probably a little bit tighter than we wanted, and
I gave everyone a little bit of I suppose a
little bit of scare to think, you know, we're definitely
getting there. Boys were so focused on qualifying, so I
think there was maybe a little bit of added pressure
on top of them, you know, for this qualification period.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But yeah, in the end, we got the job done.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
A big picture of your face smiling on the screen
at the start, and it slowly chat over the first
half as things got more and more stressful. So the
ability for your team to stand up under extreme mental pressure,
because the only pressure put on the team was internal
I'm sure thinking we should get through, thinking we should
(02:23):
this one. But when it comes to a game where
it's all or nothing qualification for the World Cup, you
can't replicate that pressure, can you, Darren?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You can't really. And it's a weird one because all the.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Players and ourselves, you know, we're totally aware that you know,
we were the favorites and the stronger team and gain
it's a game we should win every time. You know,
that adds a weird different type of pressure, that expectation,
and when you put so much on the line. I
think we went into it with the right mindset, but
(02:55):
you know, when we missed a couple of chances and
it just didn't quite go our way like it did
Friday and early on, it definitely became a little bit
frustrating for the players. And I think that could sense
that little edge because they just wanted they just wanted
to bring it home quickly and get the job done,
and we had to wait a little bit longer than
we maybe wanted to.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What do you say to the guys at halftime when
they're dealing with this weight of favoritism. How do you
approach that you saw what you saw in the first.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Half, didn't you change much mentally down I mean, we.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I felt like we had a good half time, you
know that. I mean, the players are great anyway, So
we were pretty calm in there, and you know, we
looked at some of the things that we could do
slightly different, you know, and be better at in the
second half. How we're going to actually hurt you know,
new Kelly and actually get this win. So you know
that involved playing you know a little bit differently and
playing a bit quicker and playing forward more and getting
(03:48):
you know, those runs in behind, but we need to
play the balls in behind, and because they were set
up in a pretty compact, deep defensive block, so you know,
we needed to actually force the game rather than just
dominate possession. So we yeah, and then obviously we made
a few changes, made two substitutions, and we just wanted
to add some maybe fresh energy potentially, you know, the
(04:11):
starting lineup rolling over and going again. You know, you
look back and think, Okay, was that the right decision?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
At the time, we thought it was because Friday was
so good.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But you know, I think at halftime we thought, right,
we need to inject some from fresh legs and we
did that with Eli and Franny, and yeah, his second
half was good and it went really well.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It did three goals, one of them from the most
unlikely source, but what a cross before Boxhil managed to
get it. And I'm sure that relieved Chris Wood as well,
because when he was pulled you can see the stress
on his face too. He wants to be there to
fary his mien through such as the nature of Chris Wood.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I know, yeah, it was obviously a real blow for
Chris and us, you know, when he had to come off.
But you know, that's why we have this deep squad
and we have players that you can come on and
replace players and come on and do a job. And
thought did that very well. But going back to boxing,
I mean, we've waited a long time for him to
score for the Whites. He scored goals at his clubs,
(05:14):
you know, I've watched them score goals for Minnesota. But
that was a special moment for him, you know, at
his stage of his international career. To finally get that
goal into such a big moment in such a big game,
you know, with the rewards at stake was massive, So
it was great for him.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What it was now down Bazi, do you process what
happened on then pretty much had a jeecked and start
again from fresh.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean we get into planning pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Obviously we've got you know, the next four windows June, September, October,
November with the international windows, so yeah, we're looking to
get all of those windows with good fixtures confirmed, which
means we can start planning against oppositions. And I think,
you know, we've had to treat the Oceanic Qualifiers slightly differently,
you know, in regards to the levels that we play,
(06:06):
so it is it is a little bit different, you
know when we're when we're playing the island teams and
we're the heavy favorites because most of the time when
we play you know, around the world, you know, it's
the other way around. We're the under ranked team playing
against other teams. So that adds a different dynamic. So
it's definitely stuff we've we've had to deal with. And
if I look back to the Nation's Cup last year
(06:27):
and the well, the five qualification games we've had, you know,
we've we've done really well. We've won every game. I
think we're only conceded one goal and scored torpload of
goals so safely navigated through the Oceania opposition games that
we've played.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
What do you do outside of the windows? What can
you physically do around preparation for your players? They're far flung,
they're all out of the world, they're all playing in
different leagues. Is there anything you can do down.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
No, not really, because you know, they're all in professional
environments and you know, I keep in touch with them
very regularly, you know, pretty regularly, mostly though, around how
it's going at their club, because you know, what we
can't do is overload them with our information when they're
preparing to play, you know, if it's words he's preparing
to play against an Arsenal or Tottenham, you know, or
(07:16):
Libby's preparing to play against Juventus and AC Milanum, you know,
so we can't really be sending.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Them information of what we want.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So, yeah, we we just make sure that we keep
in touch with all the players and that we prepare
and organize ourselves as staff to be the best we
can be, so that when we get together, you know,
the detailing information we give out is clear and concise,
and we can get that to the players pretty quickly.
Once they depart their clubs for each window.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's not your job by presuming as an anyway to
secure the opposition for the international windows. But now that
you've qualified, does that make it easier for in his
own football to actually secure quality opposition in the builder?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, it does, because you know, everybody wants to prepare
for World Cups, and you know, we're now one of
five now teams that have qualified, you know, with Japan
qualifying the other day and the three host nations, so
you know, we're we're quite sought after in a team
that everybody now knows is going to be at the
(08:17):
World Cup, you know, and that's opposition that people like
to play against.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So it does. It does help us with fixtures.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
That the hard thing for us is that most of
the countries have qualification games in these windows, so it's
it's something that not everybody understands that, you know, we
can't just organize a game at any stage. We're governed
by FIFA and there's only sort of two two game
days really that we can play in each window, and
each window is sort of nine days long, so each
(08:46):
it's not like a club you can just organize a game.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
We have to It can only be at a certain time.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And if you countries have their fixtures lined up in
regards to qualification games, then obviously they're not available to
play friendly so or or internationals rather than calling them friendlies.
But yeah, we've got we've got some great games lined
up through the year. It's going to be a really
exciting year of preparing and play a lot of highly
ranked teams, you know, try and play against a lot
(09:11):
of different opposition from different confederations to ensure that once
we know what group we're in at the World Cup,
which will be next December, then we'll have had some
experience playing against all these different teams.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Learning process for everybody, doren Bazi, what have you learned
around dealing with far flung talent. That's the hardest thing
you got to deal with, and I spect every other
international coach has got a similar problem. But New Zealand
so far away from anywhere and players dotted all over
leagues all over the country. If you picked anything up
(09:46):
in this process around the best way to develop and
work with these players.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I mean, the best way for us to develop them
really is for them to get into really good environments,
you know, and it's the clubs that develop them.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
We make selections, we monitor and assess them, make some selections,
and then we bring them together, you know, and we
really work hard on the the culture.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Our style of play is sort of.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
In bed now and we don't we don't chop and
change formation so that the players when you look at
this last window, we only really had two training sessions,
so we can't do something completely different. We have to
be consistent with how we play so that players once
they come in, you know that we have a process
where they can switch from their environments into our environment
and get straight into it really quickly. So we have
(10:31):
to keep information pretty clear and concise so that they're
not having to think or how do we how do
we want to play this window? How we playing that,
you know in that moment. So yeah, we've been building
that over a few years now, so that's well, and
then the rest we just build on culture and making
sure that you know, every time they come together, you know,
they're connected back to each other, back to New Zealand
(10:52):
and back to our you know, our campaign plan.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Really and Darren, one last thing, and thanks so much
for giving us some of your time. You must be
sick to death of the media by name. Been absolutely
tavern it. Since that victory, the next step I say,
and feel free to say no, you're wrong. Qualifying for
the World Cup is massive. It's a much easier path
this way round. So it was a fear to say that.
(11:15):
Get into the round of thirty two when the World
Cup starts is an essence the next form of qualifying,
if you will.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, you know, we the players and the staff and
we've obviously discussed it a lot, and what are we
trying to achieve, and yeah, we want to go to
the World Cup and do something. You know, we do
want to get out of the group. You win games
of football at World Cups and you know, and do
something that really really can affect the game here in
New Zealand and that people can be proud of. So yeah, definitely,
(11:45):
they're they're looking. I mean, that's the goal, get out
of the group and see where that takes us. We
know that every game we play at the World Cup
is going to be against a higher ranked opposition and
a team, you know, a very good team.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So that's it is difficult.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
But I think we've got a really good, strong squad,
you know, their cohesion. Whilst we haven't got all these
players playing in the top leagues, you know what we
have is this cohesion of players that grew up together,
played club football together, played in the under sevent teams,
the under twenties together. You know, I know each other
pretty well, which isn't always the case for some international teams.
(12:21):
They might have all players playing in top leagues. But
you know, we've got something a little bit different. And
the culture that the players have driven and are really
brought into also also gives us that little bit extra
when we play against these top teams.
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