March 27, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Shane Henderson - On Eden Park getting given the 'green light' for further development.
Heath Mills - On looking to fix the international cricket calendar.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from news Talk zedb.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, my lordie, they made a decision. Good evening. Welcome
to sports Talk seven a half seven on Thursday evening,
twenty seventh of March. It is twenty twenty five. My
name is Darcy Waldegrave. The day I'm speaking of the
council in Auckland a Stadium working Group back to somebody, Wow,
(00:53):
what does that actually mean though? What were they voting on?
What are they backing? What happens next? How much to whom?
Who owns Eden Park? Who owns the ground that's built on?
We'll find out out more. Stadium Working Group A chair
Shane Henderson joins us shortly as we take a we
(01:14):
look at the action today in council. I'm going to
take your calls, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
to you. Does this represent the most pragmatic, the most
sensible decision that can be made around an Auckland stadium
or have they made a mess of it? Your thoughts?
(01:36):
Be it you from Auckland City or outside, because it is,
after all, our national stadium. Okay, don't Know't ring me
up and attack me for that one again. We'll get
your calls up. After Shane Henderson it joins us shortly.
Heath Mills is also on the show, World a Cricketing Association,
World Cricketers Association Chair also Boston and you Center Cricket
(01:57):
Players Association on the changes, the proposed changes to international cricket.
More is the point. They've got a proposal out, big
working group that's been looking at this right. This is
the problem with international cricket. Who's keen to solve it?
So we'll talk about that with Heath Mills later on
and the peace. But before Shane, before Heath before, more
(02:18):
of me, before you. We got this sport today and
in sport today, more fresh blood. The black Caps are
said to introduce Reyes Mudu to the fold for the
second and third One Day Internationals against Pakistown. Will Young
is off on popsail mighty leave, leaving space that Gary
Steaders is pleased to be filling with the Young cantad.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It had an amazing year this year in particular, and
I guess we look at it this tour as a
little bit of a view to the.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Future as well. We're two and a half years out
from the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wise Big Cheese Cameron George has rolled out the expected
apology around the actions of assistant coach Richard Aga. The
NRL has sanctioned Richard and the club is taking it
on the chin or by the throat, a shirt front
or something.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Richard's very sorry, He's apologized about the incident, understands that
it was wrong. It was the right thing to do
by the fans of the club the game in general
to accept the penalty that was proposed.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, if I'd have known I was going to get fined,
it would have punched him. No, it's not a paraphrase.
I'm sorry, I made that up. Thank you, Andy. And
it's all fun in front of him this weekend, he's
all means. Number one golfer Ryan Fox has had the
practice feels this week next to it though, cash it
in on the track.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
A lot can change in.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
A week in golf, and I'm certainly hoping that happens
to me this week.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's starting to feel pretty good on the range and
pretty good in practice.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
I've just got to take it out into tournament golf mode,
and sometimes that's easy.
Speaker 8 (03:48):
To said than done.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Houston Open teas up overnight and plenty of agents contract Cruss.
He has affirmly trained on Minor Pacifika's new star Hi
and Talmoy Fla, scoring tries and breaking lines that will
means all eyes are on him at coach Tunnell straight
up when asked the question, have other clubs circled the
(04:11):
young winger?
Speaker 9 (04:12):
Yep, and that's again you know, look for us, that's
all we can do. We provide a platform and then
you know the players have the opportunities that they work
for and love worked for it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yep, you're like that from ah umagah and that's sport today.
It's eleven past seven. Stadium talk. It never goes away.
It's a recurring nightmare for everyone in and around Auckland.
They're still finding consortiums and people's garden sheds. The list
goes on. But finally the Stadium Working Group today of
(04:46):
the Council and said, you know what, we're given the
thumbs up to Eden Park two point one. What does
that actually mean? Stadium Working Group chair Shane Henderson joins us.
Now evening, mate, Yeah, good evening. Huge day in the story,
the long running saga of all Auckland stadia. First up,
(05:08):
i'd like you to explain to us and the listeners
out there what exactly you were voting on.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yes, I think a great day for the city.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
So councilor is voted by a majority of seventeen to
two to endorse Eden Park is essentially our choice as
a city for the national stadium for Auckland, and that
carries I think strong kind of advocacy. Wait for that
trust to raise some money with either central government or
private partners or both, safe in the knowledge that we're
(05:38):
backing them to the hell right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So advocacy, this is what it's all about. You don't
actually have a huge amount of say about finance, about
ownership of land, about anything. It's just you saying the
Auckland Council like this idea, will back it.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Well, it's a signal to the market, isn't it that
you can confidently partner with these guys and it'll pass
muster and we want to back it in any way
that we can kind of do from that kind of
political standpoint.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
So what do you base that on.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Well, we've done a two year process of identifying bids
for a national stadium. We ended up with four and
then recently we voted that down to two, and then
today we voted that down to one. So look, it's
been a long process, but I think a really thorough
one and a really exciting one.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was dominant, wasn't it eden Park? They rolled right
over top of everybody else. Why do you think that
was the case, Shane.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
Well, I think ultimately we had a report with some
staff advice that said, look, both bids that we're dealing
with had some issues, but eden Park had significantly less issues,
and their main issue is actually finding the money right
and without our sort of voice, I think that can
really help them along in that quest. So they didn't
have much in the way of technical problems or anything
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kind of that.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
They're kind of a plug and play option there, you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Say plug and play, So simplicity is a key to
this whole engagement, and I'm presuming with simplicity becomes speed
of completion.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Yeah, one hundred percent, and speed of completion obviously will
result from kind of fine. But I think the key
point here is that we want to compete for the
best events within.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
The entire Asia Pacific region.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
So we're not competing against Wellington and christ Church, We're
competing against Australia and Asia to attract some of the
best events that we can and you know, we do
need some redevelopment to do that, and I'm glad that
we've backed that in today.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So when you look at the future, because there's a
first step there one hundred and ten million bucks to that.
So we'll talk about the minute. Then there's a second step,
then there's a third step. What you're saying is the
council are behind each step. They're not going to drag
any of the propositions down. We have to re challenge
that this is for the whole completed shebang.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
Yeah, and those stages are obviously ordered right. So Stage
one is the most vital one, and that will be
to turn Eden Park, you know famously having its challenges
with a short straight boundary, which helped us a hell
of a lot in the twenty fifteen World Cup. But
that will turn that they can have retractable seating so
they can turn that essentially into a cricket ground as.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well a proper one that's ICCM.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
So that's number one stage and I think a really
exciting one for the city. In the future, they'll be
looking at various kinds of remodeling to make it fit
for purpose as well, but that's the first one to
get off the ground.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So sport's a huge part of this, joined by Counselor
Shane Henderson, plainly because it's where the rugby and it
looks like where the cricket is going to be. It's
a very important part of it. But what kind of
percentage and when it comes to general entertainment we're talking
things outside of sports, like, for example, concerts. How much
did that sway the decision that the council will back this?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, Look, I think you're right.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
The focus on sport has been quite a fixation for
the city and I think in the past for council
as well. But you know, in the modern world, concerts
are becoming bigger and bigger deals and creating more and
more revenue, and some of these world too is absolutely
amazing these days, and so we need to be focusing
on concerts as well, but also kind of more day
to day things like cultural events that Alkinders really get
(09:03):
behind as well. So it's a bigger picture than just sport.
But that's we're a sport mad city, so we're obviously
going to talk about that as well.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You've got no money, I mean, only anyone's got any
money quite frankly, Shane, So you're not going to give
them anything. And where are they going to get the
one hundred and ten million dollars from? You confident they
can pick that up from somewhere. The government going to
come to the party.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
I reckon they're well, I'm confident and I reckon they
can pick that up somehow, because you know they'll be
looking to partner with fire the central government or private
investment or both. Cret's a really attractive proposition for economic
development and growth in our economy in the city. I mean,
if we want to be a culture of yes, then
this is an off the shelf option to kind of
demonstrate that.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
If you want to be a culture of yes, people
would suggest you went for the big bad option, which
is tetong Roa. This is advancing the course. I know,
pro Key Park go, this is the future, this is modern,
this is uplifting, and they would say Eden Park is
a relic of the future. It's basically just adding to
someone you're playing les, what do you say to that
(10:09):
you can see the point behind that?
Speaker 7 (10:10):
One can'tja, I can see the point behind that, because
you know, I think nearly every Aucklander has really strong
opinions on stadiums, and they tend to break very evenly
in my experience, certainly with my friends and family. But yeah,
and people did want us to look at a central
city option, for sure, and I think they came back
with something that was fantastic, but there were some key
(10:30):
issues in terms of its feasibility that we ultimately just
couldn't look past. And so look, I respect different opinions. Yeah,
look at it's not just a finance thing, although they
certainly had sort of some financial challenges as well as
did Eden Park. But look, they have some technical issues
down there in terms of kind of reordering the city,
and it's a fairly small site getting people around it
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in terms of transport.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
There's a few different issues there.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
In terms of the technicalities of what they wanted to do. Look,
I back any development they can do down there. I
think it's as part.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Of the city that really needs to be unlocked, but
it's got to be fit for purpose as well.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Is this curtains do you think for a waterfront stadium?
This has been a pipe dream of auckland Is, as
you said, for decades, and people are tired of consortiums
turning out promising everything and nothing ever happening. Is this
the death knell?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Look, I think one of the purposes of this exercise
is to be really clear where Auckland Council and by extension,
Auckland is Land on this question.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And so therefore you know who knows.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
I mean, they can develop things, if they can make
it work, then there's nothing actually stopping them doing that.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
So in a way it's kind of not over.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
But I think it's a really clear stake in the
ground that we have a preferred partner that we want
to work with.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Tell us about the ownership of eden Park, not only
the stadium itself but the ground it sits upon. This
has been problematic in the past. Does this represent future issues?
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Yeah, Look, it's always been a little bit of a
sticking point in all of these stadium debates.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
So Eden Park Trust technically not owned by the council.
It's owned by a charitable trust that has a Crown
appointees that's got to each from Auckland Rugby Union in
Auckland cricket and so it's owned essentially by a private
trust and so that becomes a bit of an issue
when we're talking about public stadiums around the council table,
(12:22):
So you know.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
We appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
But at the same time, through this process, we've been
working with their team and I think we've got full
confidence that they can do this to the best of
their ability, and I think it's great expertise.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There, so it can be overcome this kind of piecemeal
ownership situation. You don't see that as being a roadblock
or something gets sticks in the throat of the development
of this in the future, because are you relying on
goodwill here?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Yeah, Look, I'm not too concerned about kind of the
ownership structure.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I think we need to zoom out and be a
bit more visionary.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And the fact is we've already got a stadium there
that we can redevelop to make it certainly a modern,
world class national stadium that can attract these big events.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I think it's sensible to look at utilizing it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And finally, our counselor Shane Henderson, thanks as always for
your time. Will will this be the national stadium of
New Zealand, just not of Auckland.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Yeah, of course, I mean Auckland produces over a third
of the country's GDP one point seven million people. We've
got the market here and we can scale up and
really take on the world.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I think it's a great day for the city.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right, So it's all go you. Basically you've hit the
green light. That's happening Eden Parker, is it and that's
what we're looking for in the future. Yeah, and so
I may have said this before, but timescale will when
you're looking at the first one to be complete and
how long before the whole should be.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Look, we've got some indicative time scales from the trust.
They're looking at sort of a matter of I'm trying
to remember it's been a long council meeting, but something
like three to five years I think is the indication.
But that's going to be heavily dependent on finance, so
they think that is a very rough indication.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
Forget the riff's call, you make the call. On eighty eight.
Speaker 10 (14:02):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports Talk, there.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Is a Stadium Working Group chair Shane Henderson talking about
today's decision for the council to back Eden Park two
point one, et cetera for the new stadium here and
Auckland leaving to Tongloroa. That's a key park to swim
by itself. As Shane did say that they're quite welcome
(14:29):
to go ahead and do something, but our preferred partner
is here in Eden Park. I think that the Thong
Rolla would be incredible, but I also think it's an
absolute pipe dream. Auckland at the moment, struggled to put
up an apartment block without it's stopping halfway through and
sit near crane's hanging off for six months when we
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tried to get rid of the viaduct that went over
Victoria Park, what'll we do while we stick half of
it under the ground and then went ah, and that's
costing a bit much. We'll leave the other half up
achieve nothing. I don't know about you, but I've got
a little or no faith in whatever consortium it is
to build something as impressive as the thing oh without
going ridiculously overpriced and relying on hedge funds, relying on
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overseas investment. I think we've seen that fail before. So
for me, this is a pragmatic decision. As much as
I want a brand new, shiny, amazing toy to go plan,
this makes sense. It's not as expensive, it's a part,
it's already there. The city rail Link's going to make
ease of access quite something else. I'll schmick it up.
(15:40):
And people say pig on a lipstick, lipstick on a
pig on a lipstick? Where that come from? Lipstick on
a pig? Is it really a pig? I don't know
about yourself. I'd some of the best sporting times of
my life at Eden Park.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's not brand new and shiny, but it's there, it's working,
it's available, and while we can rebuild it, we can
make it look better. Gee, it's improved a lot since
when I first moved up at twenty five years ago.
I think this makes sense. How far it goes, well,
that's another story. What do you think L eight hundred
(16:16):
and eighty ten eighty Is this the right decision to
back Eden Park over a brand new stadium?
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Steve Gooday mate? I suppose. The way I look at
it is like it's like organ council going out to
dinner with me and we basically sit down to eat
something and I get a plate and that's got a
bullshit sandwich on it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
So do you eat a sandwich?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You know, the more bread you've got, the less excrement
you'll actually eat or you'll think you're eating. It can
be masked amazingly by money. Yes, yes, you don't like
this idea, Steve, you know what's the main drive behind
your distaste?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Well, at the end of the day, what's going to happen,
And it has happened. You'd see it in Western Springs
and what you'll find is we have this really really
flash venue for people to go to and they'll say, oh, sorry,
we have to be out by ten o'clock because the
neighbors don't like the noise, or there's too much lights,
(17:22):
or there's too much traffic. It's just it's just a
dumb ass move.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
If you believe the Eden Park folk, led by Nick Sawt,
who's the CEO there, ninety seven percent of the people
in and around eden Park wanted to grow. They don't care.
It's just the three percent that don't that are very,
very loud, And I suppose we look at majority rules.
That is their research anyway, So is there that much opposite?
(17:50):
I know Helen Clark's making a lot of noise. She
wants to go down to the waterfront because she doesn't
like the idea of the interruption and she's a prominent figure,
so people listen to her. But is he really reflective
of what goes on in that area? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
But right, Well, historically we let the wag the dog.
That's that. That's how we're basically been up to now,
and that's that's been the issue. Now if we can
get around that, yeah great, But just going on his story,
I just can't see it happening.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right, So what has Look, I'm not I'm not saying
you're wrong, we're trying to push you down, but so
what what actually happens? Do we maintain the state of
flux and nothing happens ever, or do we make some
decision whichever way it goes and run with it.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Well, what why can't we just say, okay, well we're
going to make a decision, we're going to build something
on the waterfront and all that land that were basically
got at Eden Park. On my grate to people shutting
off for.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I'm not challenging you for your knowledge around this, Steve,
But the thing is, this is what the council did.
It was the whole idea. They sat there, they looked
at four proposals, They went through the ins and the
outs and ups and downs and structures. They pulled two out,
they were left with two and then these head came
together and went, you know what, our best option is
this one and they chose it. I don't think they
(19:11):
just went and had dinner at the box at Eden
Park and made their mind.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Up like that really part of lease resistance, so you
reckon they would have that could have come into it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well you could have done, and Steve would to go
to our next caller. But it looks easier. And that's
what I said to Shane. It's how fast can we
get this thing up. We're impatient. It's been such a
long time. Something needs to be done and there'll be
people out there disagreed and said, look, rather do it
properly than do it quickly. I'd rather they did it.
Whether they do or not another question anyway. One hundred
(19:46):
and eighty ten eighty lines are open, Ellison, good evening,
Hi Darcy.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
So I'm originally from Wales and we had this issue
when the developed Cardiff Arms Park into what is now
the Millennium Stadium or Principality Stadium where it's called now
Carter Farms.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
So much better by the way, but yes, carry on.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
But you know, we went through all of the things
are going through now and all the arguments against it.
But I think it's that it's turned out pretty pretty well,
pretty good, so I say go for it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The council have come to decision believing that they think
the best horse to backer is this one. So that's
you're happy with that because Cardiff arms was kind of
old and the Millennium is nice and chiny and new,
so you think that they can do the same thing.
They can convert Eden Park to something quite magnificent. Other
people will say you've got to push it over and
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start again, but they were kind of for there.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
They left one side of Cardiff arms Park and then
they redeveloped the other bit and they turned it. They
turned it around ninety degrees I think it was, and
so there is still part of the old arms Park
still there. So they managed to do that and put
roof on it and.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
It's in the fantastic and so the history is there
and I'm sure that the med Welsh sports fans absolutely
embrace it. Is it Elison? Before that you go is
it is?
Speaker 12 (21:15):
It?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Utilizes it used for anything else besides rugby? Because sorry,
but the way the world. You're going right now. You
want to do more than just rugby there.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
Sorry, they use it for They use it for football,
they used it for big truck events, they use it
for concerts and the real fun. It helps as well,
but so yeah, it's a multi use facility.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Allison, thanks very much for your input. Eight hundred eighteen
ten eighty. If you want to play the game, it's
cool talk about we're talking stadium here. This isn't be
made even packing is goodbye waterfront waterfront stadium your thoughts,
it's seven twenty eight lines, rap in eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Goals in summer.
Speaker 10 (21:59):
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Speaker 2 (22:11):
B one and the council have spoken all roads lead
to Eden Park and like train stations eventually too, which
would be nice your calls eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Let's go to Conrad's thoughts now good evening.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, Hi Darcy, you're generally pretty happy for and now
really happy. The first is retractable bottom tier. I was
one who bring up talk back in late two thousand
and five talking about Toronto Blue Jays Stadium up there
and have it's easy enough to solve the grass size situation,
had to deal with almost twenty years of a forty
five meters boundary behind the bubble's arm. So that's great
(22:53):
to hear in your interview. Okay. Then the second point
is the ep EPR in I think it's called EPR B.
It's just fantastic to hear yourself, and is putting the
media spotlight on that after about twenty years of having
to deal with the media refusing to put the spotlight
on them.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You're talking about the park trust, the people have owned
and run it.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
No, No, I'm talking about the residents, right, So I.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Didn't know what you were Yeah, Well, apparently a lot
of them actually really want it to happen. They want
a vibrant place. But there's a few of them are
very loud and making a lot of noise because people
listen to you know, that's right politicians.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So the key point I'm making is I'm a huge
stand of the park and what's the rail at the
morning side I think is named the station. Then the
issue issues of public transport of Auckland within being blamed
on Eaton Park. It's a reverse scenario.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, the morning sides there and then there's Kings and
Station right outside Eden Park, so there's a couple. But
it's going to funnel straight up on as I believe
from from downtown come straight into the park. So deal
with that. That's human traffic.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
So actually the main issue is they just have to
kill the eat Park Residents Association and then yeah, we
all three.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think murder's probably a bit much conray, but you
know it's a full and final make you can't do that.
They've got it.
Speaker 13 (24:17):
It is.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Understandable that a small amount of residents don't like the idea. Hi, Michael, how.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Are you.
Speaker 13 (24:31):
See three or four points? I can't work out where
the Oakland City Council involved. It's no council money's involved
with the whole process. I mean the Oakland City Council
will got a track record. Look at how dirty beaches,
look at the road cones, look at the whole Auckland infrastructure.
It's a busket a basket case. And and to have
(24:54):
these same people make a decision about about our next
fifty years for our sport entertainment. To me, the winner
is going to be sky streaming because I refuse to
go to eat Park. It's not a rugby ground, it's
not a cricket ground. I'm watching the video screen.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You're kind of missing out on a lot of fun then, Michael,
I think the reason that this is important for all.
Speaker 13 (25:20):
You try to leave even Park and it's a dog's
breakfast amongst Native and Michael.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I've mean to Eden Park for twenty five years. I've
never had an issue getting out of there. I've got
to wonder what your drivers. It's not hard. It's a
crowd of people. You leave the building. If you want
to park your car right outside, Yeah, you're going to
have issues, don't.
Speaker 13 (25:47):
I picked people up and drop them. And some of
the concerts you can't get close to the two kilometers
and trying to find people afterwards, people from out of
town that don't know where the hell they're going. But
number one, you know, Brisbane made the decision one hundred
days a three point six billion dollar stadium. We're going
to be left on the cloud by what's happening on Australia.
(26:09):
We're a laughing stop laughing stock.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
We make We're not We're not. Thanks for your time.
But we're not Brisbane, this is not Australia. This is Auckland.
And when it comes to infrastructure around Eden Park, when
it comes to ticking process off, Auckland Council are very
involved in this. No, they're not paying for it, but
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if they don't support what's happened to Eden Park, no
one's going to come on board. And that's what Shane
Henderson was saying. It's going to attract support. People are
interest because they know the council is behind them. Because
the council weren't and caused trouble and didn't want to
engage and didn't want to look at public transport and
didn't want to look at how they restructure RU. On
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the outside, who's going to buy into it? Nobody, at
least this way. At least this way, they know that
they've got some power on their side, even though they
can't pay for it. Look, I understand what you mean.
A councilor made a mess of a whole lot of things.
But that's counsels right, that's what they do. And you
know where most of that blamers. You people out there
don't vote in local body elections, right, If you don't
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vote you keep your mouth shut. Thank you. This is
News Talks EB seven point thirty seven.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Gems from Tennessee Sports Talk on News Talks AB and
I'm a big fan of the razor.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is this Okham's razor in action? Ocham's raiser says the
most straightforward solution with the fewest assumptions, like the simplest way,
Ford is normally the best. It'd say that Eden Park
is a lot simpler with a lot less variables than
(28:05):
what would happen down with the water fair call on anyhow,
you get out of your raisin stus. It's good to Andrew, mate,
how are you good?
Speaker 14 (28:14):
A good a you know?
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I like that Ockham's razor.
Speaker 14 (28:20):
Why didn't they start building it ten years ago?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
A dont like christ Church?
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Every year you leave it off?
Speaker 8 (28:29):
It costs the.
Speaker 14 (28:30):
Text payers, oh not yeah, the cost text payers and
probably you know, local textpayers money.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But we're aware of that. And then what you do though,
if you get Richard speak of engine you look back
or fifteen years I'll be saying the same thing. Then
fifteen years but they did it?
Speaker 11 (28:53):
So why were you?
Speaker 10 (28:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (28:56):
Well what what?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
What?
Speaker 14 (28:57):
Why are we passing around with it?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Well? No, I was going to pay for it.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Just why are you pushing around with it?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, they made a decision now, and they could have
made it ten fifteen years ago. The fact of matter
is they didn't. You can't sit around there to break
your rear vision mirrors off because there were plenty of
times Carlile Park would have been brilliant that didn't happen.
Didn't happen, didn't happen. If you get you keep looking
back at what you didn't do. You turn around, look
at hid and.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
What can we achieve?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And people out there are fans of Keep Park will go, well,
look at what we could achieve. I I'd love to
see it. I don't see it happening. This is palpable,
This is reasonable, This is pragmatic. You know what. I
actually think we might have a world class multi use
stadium that can have concerts with a roof and everything
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else before the Warriors win the NRL. I never thought
i'd say that. Get a glen. How are you hi?
Speaker 14 (29:57):
Hey Darcy? Here you going?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Good?
Speaker 14 (29:59):
Look you think Aden Park is a great venue for
that dum for the stadium. But the counselor, I think
it was Shane Henderson with it Okay, So he mentioned
the money and the benefits would go to the city,
but he also mentioned that the taxpayers money had a
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lot of text money money to pay for it. Yeah.
I don't vote in the city, but and like you said,
I won't shut my mouth because they want text payers
money and National Stadium was mentioned. So I think that
those that don't vote in the city should also get
a mentioned and not shut their mouths like what you said.
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And I think it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Well, yeah, I think that. With local body elections though,
which is an intrinsic part of what's happening here. Too
many people have got an opinion and attitude and a
voice and they don't vote, and they really need to
get on and exercise that because the council got a
lot more control than we give them credit for and
we ignore it the election absolutely, but you don't vote
for you in your local body election.
Speaker 14 (31:04):
So that city wants that My taxpayers money is to
go to pay to.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Only a small amount of it. They want some, but
it's not all. I mean, taxpace money is for all
of New Zealand. It's not just focused on one.
Speaker 14 (31:19):
Million, hundred and ten billion, billion or million or something.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Want one hundred and ten million. It's quite different to
one hundred and ten billion.
Speaker 14 (31:29):
Oh there is. But I think that people is for
the National Stadium.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And it's it's a name, then it's a name that's
been coined. The National Stadium. Nick Sortman came up with
that doesn't matter what it's called. It's going to be
a great, big stadium with big events in it that
is going to service the biggest city in the country. Anyway,
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it's seven forty four. I leave you with this. We've
got coming up next. The World Crickets Association chair talking
about changes proposed changes to international cricket the windows. I
contacted Jim Doyle, who's part of the Tetong feasibility study,
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and he responded with this, we appreciate the Council's assessment
of the feasibility studies and their agreement that Tetong is
technically an environmentally feasible They also highlight the significant public
benefits if delivered without public funding. Therefore, the Consortium will
assess the feedback and respond accordingly. That's from Key Park.
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If you struggle with Doro Maari, thanks for that. Jim
coming up next all about cricket. This is newstalksb to
(33:14):
please put a bit to cricket. Now we're joined by
Heath Mills World Cricket Association at chair well so that
he's in a Cricket Players Association boss man talking about
possible changes coming to international cricket and the windows to
play international cricket. It joins us. Now, well, come on in, Heath.
(33:35):
You've been working hard on this new report, haven't you good?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Actually, it's we're really pleased to produce the report that
we released last night. It's been about six seven months
in the making. And look, I think you know our
boards had a conversation about twelve months ago and as
we often do, we went around in circles about various
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degrees of frustration with the structure of the global game
of cricket, where we have franchise leagues and competitions clashing
with bilateral international cricket. We've got bilateral international cricket declining
and value unless people engaging in it because it doesn't
have a lot of context and the meaning. We have
outdated regulations and obviously the preennial problem we have in
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our sport with decisions are made by a global governing
body that really isn't one. It's a members organization and
people look after themselves and we've given various degrees of
recons and thoughts and opinions on that over the years
and we just decided, look, we actually are not aware
of a report being completed that looked at reviewed cricket
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and from a scheduling the economics, regulation leadership point of view,
and decided to commission one ourselves. And we're very fortunate
we got Paul marsh to lead a working group who
is used to lead the Australian Crickets Association as current
CEO of the AFL Player Association, obviously part of the
Marsh credit family, and in a whole of experts joined him,
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Tom Harris and former ECB CEO and obviously a significant
broadcasting career in Central Gupta from it from Star Sports
in India, along with a number of past players. It
was a really good working group met with about close
to seventy different stakeholders players, past players, administrators, current and
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past broadcasters and really the overwhelming response was cricket's got issues,
the value of bio, actual crickets declining, the structure of
the competitions at the International franchise level is confusing for fans,
and cricket needs to actually take stock and come up
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with a better system and try and develop a program
that people can follow, understand, is more efficient and potentially
maximizes its opportunities, which it's not doing at the moment.
So we're very pleased with the report that the working
group come up with and I'm very delighted to put
it out under public domain with its associated recommendations, and
we hope it gets good discussion and debate.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Make a good point in the scheduling is chaotic, inconsistent
and confusing. Therese are three words you don't want in
any structure. The report itself, it's quite a convoluted, confusing name,
protecting history, embracing change, a unified, coherent and global future.
But it is what it is. The big question here
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heat World Crickets Association, how much strength have you got
in your arm? You can say all you want, you
can report all you want, but can you get any
movement or the power brokers of World Cricket And I
looked toward the BCCI.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a really good question and one
we've been asked a lot. And of course We're only
one stakeholder in the game of the players. The majority
of the players' views. The reality is where we need
to work together. We have invested in this report, pull
at the time and in energy into it. We think
it's got really solid recommendations. We don't believe it'll be
(37:11):
a panacea, but we know that some stakeholder groups and
with some of that you mentioned, will try and poke
holes in it. They will try and discredit parts of it,
and they will try and say some parts of it
can't work in their environment. You know, the recommendations are
at the higher level.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
The conceptual.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
There are ways to address any issue anyone might have.
We know that the ICC and the boards aren't going
to say this is fantastic, we're going to adopt it tomorrow.
What we want from this is discussion. So we want
media to engage in it. We want media to question
and challenge in it. We put it in front of
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the ICC, It's been put in front of the Cricket
Committee withere, the ICC last night and the Woman's Cricket
Committee today. We've sent it to all the national governing bodies.
We hope that they will look at it, they will
read it, They will come back with views on it,
and hopefully if we keep it in the public domain,
enough enough discussion occurs and enough pressure goes on the
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governing bodies to do something about the problems because the
problems aren't going away. Whether it's this report, it's recommendations,
or a crisis inflection point in a few years time,
something needs to be done. We know the value of
bilateral international cricket is declining, we know the interest in
that is not what it used to be. We know
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the interest and the value in the leagues is growing.
So you're One of the key recommendations here for US
is creating four windows for what we describe as core
international cricket for twenty one day windows where international cricket
can be prioritized, and we hope through doing that it's
going to have more value because the best players will
be available to plan it, which we just don't see
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happening at all at the moment aside from ICC events
and major Test match series.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I suppose if you look at that, when you establish
yourself as an international player, you become a superstar then
and then you can move on to the franchise legs.
Without that the international cricket and the relevance of there's
no one to pack for all of these franchise legs.
There are no names. They need each other. It's a
symbiotic relationship, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well, I'm not certain that that's going to be the future.
What we know is that the leagues have been privatized.
As you know, there are team owners now who own
teams across multiple leagues. We know that they are now
developing academies in the major cricket playing countries, and there
are players who are getting picked up for the leagues
who have played no international cricket or vertus of very
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little international cricket. And we have even in our own
country players that have played not a lot of international
cricket who are now, for all intents and purposes on
the international franchise circuit.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
So yes, whilst I would agree with you.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Initially five ten years ago that was the case, there's
no certainty that that's going to remain the case moving forward.
So we strongly believe that we need to protect some
aspects of international cricket and sure his players play because
that's critically how a number of the balls derive most
of their revenue. So you know, it's it's important that
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we protect it, but we also have got to provide
opportunity for the leagues to grow. The leagues have been
very good for cricket and you look at the explosion
and cricket and the number of countries around the world
in franchise cricket.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
So there's a lot of good in that.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But we just need to make sure that we've got
clear windows and we've got clear competitions that people can
follow and understand. And it's not about playing a bi
electual international cricket ten months of the year sometimes with
B or C level teams because the best players aren't
here playing the game. That's that's not a the saint
sustainable future. We'd rather the game was more proactive and
(40:48):
did something about that.
Speaker 8 (40:49):
Got great call is your call on Sports Talk. Call
on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's Heath mills Well, Crickets Association boss man, talking about
some ideas to shuffle up to chain what happens in
international Cricketly he's taking on he's staying on the IPL
and he's staying on the BCCI. Try and get him
to relinquish some of their power and some of their money.
That's a brave thing to do. Good luck to him.
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Four twenty one day windows where you can actually play
meaningful international cricket, and then the franchises can do whatever
they want outside of that time. Hey, it's an idea,
it's a discussion. They're talking about it. Thanks very much
for that, and thanks to Shane Henderson for joining the program.
One hundred and ten million dollars in a bigger scale
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is actually not that much money. Oh, he's a lot
for me. It's really not that much money just to
get Stage one underway. How's the guy who's got the
toy factory in China. He's got plenty of money, isn't he.
I reckon they could call it Zoru Park. No, I
(42:01):
just give us one hundred and ten mill mates, probably
down the back of your couch. In fact, will throw
in all black jersey sponsors. We'll do both of them
for tart now excuse me, no water balloons due. Thanks
very much for your attention and time. Good evening.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, my lordie, they made a decision. Good evening. Welcome
to sports Talk seven a half seven on Thursday evening,
twenty seventh of March. It is twenty twenty five. My
name is Darcy Waldegrave. The day I'm speaking of the
council in Auckland a Stadium working Group back to somebody, Wow,
(00:53):
what does that actually mean though? What were they voting on?
What are they backing? What happens next? How much to whom?
Who owns Eden Park? Who owns the ground that's built on?
We'll find out out more. Stadium Working Group A chair
Shane Henderson joins us shortly as we take a we
(01:14):
look at the action today in council. I'm going to
take your calls, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
to you. Does this represent the most pragmatic, the most
sensible decision that can be made around an Auckland stadium
or have they made a mess of it? Your thoughts?
(01:36):
Be it you from Auckland City or outside, because it is,
after all, our national stadium. Okay, don't Know't ring me
up and attack me for that one again. We'll get
your calls up. After Shane Henderson it joins us shortly.
Heath Mills is also on the show, World a Cricketing Association,
World Cricketers Association Chair also Boston and you Center Cricket
(01:57):
Players Association on the changes, the proposed changes to international cricket.
More is the point. They've got a proposal out, big
working group that's been looking at this right. This is
the problem with international cricket. Who's keen to solve it?
So we'll talk about that with Heath Mills later on
and the peace. But before Shane, before Heath before, more
(02:18):
of me, before you. We got this sport today and
in sport today, more fresh blood. The black Caps are
said to introduce Reyes Mudu to the fold for the
second and third One Day Internationals against Pakistown. Will Young
is off on popsail mighty leave, leaving space that Gary
Steaders is pleased to be filling with the Young cantad.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It had an amazing year this year in particular, and
I guess we look at it this tour as a
little bit of a view to the.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Future as well. We're two and a half years out
from the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wise Big Cheese Cameron George has rolled out the expected
apology around the actions of assistant coach Richard Aga. The
NRL has sanctioned Richard and the club is taking it
on the chin or by the throat, a shirt front
or something.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Richard's very sorry, He's apologized about the incident, understands that
it was wrong. It was the right thing to do
by the fans of the club the game in general
to accept the penalty that was proposed.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, if I'd have known I was going to get fined,
it would have punched him. No, it's not a paraphrase.
I'm sorry, I made that up. Thank you, Andy. And
it's all fun in front of him this weekend, he's
all means. Number one golfer Ryan Fox has had the
practice feels this week next to it though, cash it
in on the track.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
A lot can change in.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
A week in golf, and I'm certainly hoping that happens
to me this week.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's starting to feel pretty good on the range and
pretty good in practice.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
I've just got to take it out into tournament golf mode,
and sometimes that's easy.
Speaker 8 (03:48):
To said than done.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Houston Open teas up overnight and plenty of agents contract Cruss.
He has affirmly trained on Minor Pacifika's new star Hi
and Talmoy Fla, scoring tries and breaking lines that will
means all eyes are on him at coach Tunnell straight
up when asked the question, have other clubs circled the
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young winger?
Speaker 9 (04:12):
Yep, and that's again you know, look for us, that's
all we can do. We provide a platform and then
you know the players have the opportunities that they work
for and love worked for it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yep, you're like that from ah umagah and that's sport today.
It's eleven past seven. Stadium talk. It never goes away.
It's a recurring nightmare for everyone in and around Auckland.
They're still finding consortiums and people's garden sheds. The list
goes on. But finally the Stadium Working Group today of
(04:46):
the Council and said, you know what, we're given the
thumbs up to Eden Park two point one. What does
that actually mean? Stadium Working Group chair Shane Henderson joins us.
Now evening, mate, Yeah, good evening. Huge day in the story,
the long running saga of all Auckland stadia. First up,
(05:08):
i'd like you to explain to us and the listeners
out there what exactly you were voting on.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yes, I think a great day for the city.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
So councilor is voted by a majority of seventeen to
two to endorse Eden Park is essentially our choice as
a city for the national stadium for Auckland, and that
carries I think strong kind of advocacy. Wait for that
trust to raise some money with either central government or
private partners or both, safe in the knowledge that we're
(05:38):
backing them to the hell right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So advocacy, this is what it's all about. You don't
actually have a huge amount of say about finance, about
ownership of land, about anything. It's just you saying the
Auckland Council like this idea, will back it.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Well, it's a signal to the market, isn't it that
you can confidently partner with these guys and it'll pass
muster and we want to back it in any way
that we can kind of do from that kind of
political standpoint.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
So what do you base that on.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Well, we've done a two year process of identifying bids
for a national stadium. We ended up with four and
then recently we voted that down to two, and then
today we voted that down to one. So look, it's
been a long process, but I think a really thorough
one and a really exciting one.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was dominant, wasn't it eden Park? They rolled right
over top of everybody else. Why do you think that
was the case, Shane.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
Well, I think ultimately we had a report with some
staff advice that said, look, both bids that we're dealing
with had some issues, but eden Park had significantly less issues,
and their main issue is actually finding the money right
and without our sort of voice, I think that can
really help them along in that quest. So they didn't
have much in the way of technical problems or anything
(06:49):
kind of that.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
They're kind of a plug and play option there, you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Say plug and play, So simplicity is a key to
this whole engagement, and I'm presuming with simplicity becomes speed
of completion.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Yeah, one hundred percent, and speed of completion obviously will
result from kind of fine. But I think the key
point here is that we want to compete for the
best events within.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
The entire Asia Pacific region.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
So we're not competing against Wellington and christ Church, We're
competing against Australia and Asia to attract some of the
best events that we can and you know, we do
need some redevelopment to do that, and I'm glad that
we've backed that in today.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So when you look at the future, because there's a
first step there one hundred and ten million bucks to that.
So we'll talk about the minute. Then there's a second step,
then there's a third step. What you're saying is the
council are behind each step. They're not going to drag
any of the propositions down. We have to re challenge
that this is for the whole completed shebang.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
Yeah, and those stages are obviously ordered right. So Stage
one is the most vital one, and that will be
to turn Eden Park, you know famously having its challenges
with a short straight boundary, which helped us a hell
of a lot in the twenty fifteen World Cup. But
that will turn that they can have retractable seating so
they can turn that essentially into a cricket ground as.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well a proper one that's ICCM.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
So that's number one stage and I think a really
exciting one for the city. In the future, they'll be
looking at various kinds of remodeling to make it fit
for purpose as well, but that's the first one to
get off the ground.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So sport's a huge part of this, joined by Counselor
Shane Henderson, plainly because it's where the rugby and it
looks like where the cricket is going to be. It's
a very important part of it. But what kind of
percentage and when it comes to general entertainment we're talking
things outside of sports, like, for example, concerts. How much
did that sway the decision that the council will back this?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, Look, I think you're right.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
The focus on sport has been quite a fixation for
the city and I think in the past for council
as well. But you know, in the modern world, concerts
are becoming bigger and bigger deals and creating more and
more revenue, and some of these world too is absolutely
amazing these days, and so we need to be focusing
on concerts as well, but also kind of more day
to day things like cultural events that Alkinders really get
(09:03):
behind as well. So it's a bigger picture than just sport.
But that's we're a sport mad city, so we're obviously
going to talk about that as well.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You've got no money, I mean, only anyone's got any
money quite frankly, Shane, So you're not going to give
them anything. And where are they going to get the
one hundred and ten million dollars from? You confident they
can pick that up from somewhere. The government going to
come to the party.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
I reckon they're well, I'm confident and I reckon they
can pick that up somehow, because you know they'll be
looking to partner with fire the central government or private
investment or both. Cret's a really attractive proposition for economic
development and growth in our economy in the city. I mean,
if we want to be a culture of yes, then
this is an off the shelf option to kind of
demonstrate that.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
If you want to be a culture of yes, people
would suggest you went for the big bad option, which
is tetong Roa. This is advancing the course. I know,
pro Key Park go, this is the future, this is modern,
this is uplifting, and they would say Eden Park is
a relic of the future. It's basically just adding to
someone you're playing les, what do you say to that
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you can see the point behind that?
Speaker 7 (10:10):
One can'tja, I can see the point behind that, because
you know, I think nearly every Aucklander has really strong
opinions on stadiums, and they tend to break very evenly
in my experience, certainly with my friends and family. But yeah,
and people did want us to look at a central
city option, for sure, and I think they came back
with something that was fantastic, but there were some key
(10:30):
issues in terms of its feasibility that we ultimately just
couldn't look past. And so look, I respect different opinions. Yeah,
look at it's not just a finance thing, although they
certainly had sort of some financial challenges as well as
did Eden Park. But look, they have some technical issues
down there in terms of kind of reordering the city,
and it's a fairly small site getting people around it
(10:53):
in terms of transport.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
There's a few different issues there.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
In terms of the technicalities of what they wanted to do. Look,
I back any development they can do down there. I
think it's as part.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Of the city that really needs to be unlocked, but
it's got to be fit for purpose as well.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Is this curtains do you think for a waterfront stadium?
This has been a pipe dream of auckland Is, as
you said, for decades, and people are tired of consortiums
turning out promising everything and nothing ever happening. Is this
the death knell?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Look, I think one of the purposes of this exercise
is to be really clear where Auckland Council and by extension,
Auckland is Land on this question.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And so therefore you know who knows.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
I mean, they can develop things, if they can make
it work, then there's nothing actually stopping them doing that.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
So in a way it's kind of not over.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
But I think it's a really clear stake in the
ground that we have a preferred partner that we want
to work with.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Tell us about the ownership of eden Park, not only
the stadium itself but the ground it sits upon. This
has been problematic in the past. Does this represent future issues?
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Yeah, Look, it's always been a little bit of a
sticking point in all of these stadium debates.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
So Eden Park Trust technically not owned by the council.
It's owned by a charitable trust that has a Crown
appointees that's got to each from Auckland Rugby Union in
Auckland cricket and so it's owned essentially by a private
trust and so that becomes a bit of an issue
when we're talking about public stadiums around the council table,
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So you know.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
We appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
But at the same time, through this process, we've been
working with their team and I think we've got full
confidence that they can do this to the best of
their ability, and I think it's great expertise.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There, so it can be overcome this kind of piecemeal
ownership situation. You don't see that as being a roadblock
or something gets sticks in the throat of the development
of this in the future, because are you relying on
goodwill here?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Yeah, Look, I'm not too concerned about kind of the
ownership structure.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I think we need to zoom out and be a
bit more visionary.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And the fact is we've already got a stadium there
that we can redevelop to make it certainly a modern,
world class national stadium that can attract these big events.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I think it's sensible to look at utilizing it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And finally, our counselor Shane Henderson, thanks as always for
your time. Will will this be the national stadium of
New Zealand, just not of Auckland.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Yeah, of course, I mean Auckland produces over a third
of the country's GDP one point seven million people. We've
got the market here and we can scale up and
really take on the world.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I think it's a great day for the city.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right, So it's all go you. Basically you've hit the
green light. That's happening Eden Parker, is it and that's
what we're looking for in the future. Yeah, and so
I may have said this before, but timescale will when
you're looking at the first one to be complete and
how long before the whole should be.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Look, we've got some indicative time scales from the trust.
They're looking at sort of a matter of I'm trying
to remember it's been a long council meeting, but something
like three to five years I think is the indication.
But that's going to be heavily dependent on finance, so
they think that is a very rough indication.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
Forget the riff's call, you make the call. On eighty eight.
Speaker 10 (14:02):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports Talk, there.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Is a Stadium Working Group chair Shane Henderson talking about
today's decision for the council to back Eden Park two
point one, et cetera for the new stadium here and
Auckland leaving to Tongloroa. That's a key park to swim
by itself. As Shane did say that they're quite welcome
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to go ahead and do something, but our preferred partner
is here in Eden Park. I think that the Thong
Rolla would be incredible, but I also think it's an
absolute pipe dream. Auckland at the moment, struggled to put
up an apartment block without it's stopping halfway through and
sit near crane's hanging off for six months when we
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tried to get rid of the viaduct that went over
Victoria Park, what'll we do while we stick half of
it under the ground and then went ah, and that's
costing a bit much. We'll leave the other half up
achieve nothing. I don't know about you, but I've got
a little or no faith in whatever consortium it is
to build something as impressive as the thing oh without
going ridiculously overpriced and relying on hedge funds, relying on
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overseas investment. I think we've seen that fail before. So
for me, this is a pragmatic decision. As much as
I want a brand new, shiny, amazing toy to go plan,
this makes sense. It's not as expensive, it's a part,
it's already there. The city rail Link's going to make
ease of access quite something else. I'll schmick it up.
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And people say pig on a lipstick, lipstick on a
pig on a lipstick? Where that come from? Lipstick on
a pig? Is it really a pig? I don't know
about yourself. I'd some of the best sporting times of
my life at Eden Park.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's not brand new and shiny, but it's there, it's working,
it's available, and while we can rebuild it, we can
make it look better. Gee, it's improved a lot since
when I first moved up at twenty five years ago.
I think this makes sense. How far it goes, well,
that's another story. What do you think L eight hundred
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and eighty ten eighty Is this the right decision to
back Eden Park over a brand new stadium?
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Steve Gooday mate? I suppose. The way I look at
it is like it's like organ council going out to
dinner with me and we basically sit down to eat
something and I get a plate and that's got a
bullshit sandwich on it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
So do you eat a sandwich?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You know, the more bread you've got, the less excrement
you'll actually eat or you'll think you're eating. It can
be masked amazingly by money. Yes, yes, you don't like
this idea, Steve, you know what's the main drive behind
your distaste?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Well, at the end of the day, what's going to happen,
And it has happened. You'd see it in Western Springs
and what you'll find is we have this really really
flash venue for people to go to and they'll say, oh, sorry,
we have to be out by ten o'clock because the
neighbors don't like the noise, or there's too much lights,
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or there's too much traffic. It's just it's just a
dumb ass move.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
If you believe the Eden Park folk, led by Nick Sawt,
who's the CEO there, ninety seven percent of the people
in and around eden Park wanted to grow. They don't care.
It's just the three percent that don't that are very,
very loud, And I suppose we look at majority rules.
That is their research anyway, So is there that much opposite?
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I know Helen Clark's making a lot of noise. She
wants to go down to the waterfront because she doesn't
like the idea of the interruption and she's a prominent figure,
so people listen to her. But is he really reflective
of what goes on in that area? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
But right, Well, historically we let the wag the dog.
That's that. That's how we're basically been up to now,
and that's that's been the issue. Now if we can
get around that, yeah great, But just going on his story,
I just can't see it happening.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right, So what has Look, I'm not I'm not saying
you're wrong, we're trying to push you down, but so
what what actually happens? Do we maintain the state of
flux and nothing happens ever, or do we make some
decision whichever way it goes and run with it.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Well, what why can't we just say, okay, well we're
going to make a decision, we're going to build something
on the waterfront and all that land that were basically
got at Eden Park. On my grate to people shutting
off for.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I'm not challenging you for your knowledge around this, Steve,
But the thing is, this is what the council did.
It was the whole idea. They sat there, they looked
at four proposals, They went through the ins and the
outs and ups and downs and structures. They pulled two out,
they were left with two and then these head came
together and went, you know what, our best option is
this one and they chose it. I don't think they
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just went and had dinner at the box at Eden
Park and made their mind.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Up like that really part of lease resistance, so you
reckon they would have that could have come into it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well you could have done, and Steve would to go
to our next caller. But it looks easier. And that's
what I said to Shane. It's how fast can we
get this thing up. We're impatient. It's been such a
long time. Something needs to be done and there'll be
people out there disagreed and said, look, rather do it
properly than do it quickly. I'd rather they did it.
Whether they do or not another question anyway. One hundred
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and eighty ten eighty lines are open, Ellison, good evening,
Hi Darcy.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
So I'm originally from Wales and we had this issue
when the developed Cardiff Arms Park into what is now
the Millennium Stadium or Principality Stadium where it's called now
Carter Farms.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
So much better by the way, but yes, carry on.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
But you know, we went through all of the things
are going through now and all the arguments against it.
But I think it's that it's turned out pretty pretty well,
pretty good, so I say go for it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The council have come to decision believing that they think
the best horse to backer is this one. So that's
you're happy with that because Cardiff arms was kind of
old and the Millennium is nice and chiny and new,
so you think that they can do the same thing.
They can convert Eden Park to something quite magnificent. Other
people will say you've got to push it over and
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start again, but they were kind of for there.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
They left one side of Cardiff arms Park and then
they redeveloped the other bit and they turned it. They
turned it around ninety degrees I think it was, and
so there is still part of the old arms Park
still there. So they managed to do that and put
roof on it and.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
It's in the fantastic and so the history is there
and I'm sure that the med Welsh sports fans absolutely
embrace it. Is it Elison? Before that you go is
it is?
Speaker 12 (21:15):
It?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Utilizes it used for anything else besides rugby? Because sorry,
but the way the world. You're going right now. You
want to do more than just rugby there.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
Sorry, they use it for They use it for football,
they used it for big truck events, they use it
for concerts and the real fun. It helps as well,
but so yeah, it's a multi use facility.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Allison, thanks very much for your input. Eight hundred eighteen
ten eighty. If you want to play the game, it's
cool talk about we're talking stadium here. This isn't be
made even packing is goodbye waterfront waterfront stadium your thoughts,
it's seven twenty eight lines, rap in eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Goals in summer.
Speaker 10 (21:59):
Love you hear it from the biggest names in sports
and men have your sale wait under eighty sports talk
on your home of sports news Talks at.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
B one and the council have spoken all roads lead
to Eden Park and like train stations eventually too, which
would be nice your calls eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Let's go to Conrad's thoughts now good evening.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, Hi Darcy, you're generally pretty happy for and now
really happy. The first is retractable bottom tier. I was
one who bring up talk back in late two thousand
and five talking about Toronto Blue Jays Stadium up there
and have it's easy enough to solve the grass size situation,
had to deal with almost twenty years of a forty
five meters boundary behind the bubble's arm. So that's great
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to hear in your interview. Okay. Then the second point
is the ep EPR in I think it's called EPR B.
It's just fantastic to hear yourself, and is putting the
media spotlight on that after about twenty years of having
to deal with the media refusing to put the spotlight
on them.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You're talking about the park trust, the people have owned
and run it.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
No, No, I'm talking about the residents, right, So I.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Didn't know what you were Yeah, Well, apparently a lot
of them actually really want it to happen. They want
a vibrant place. But there's a few of them are
very loud and making a lot of noise because people
listen to you know, that's right politicians.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So the key point I'm making is I'm a huge
stand of the park and what's the rail at the
morning side I think is named the station. Then the
issue issues of public transport of Auckland within being blamed
on Eaton Park. It's a reverse scenario.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, the morning sides there and then there's Kings and
Station right outside Eden Park, so there's a couple. But
it's going to funnel straight up on as I believe
from from downtown come straight into the park. So deal
with that. That's human traffic.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
So actually the main issue is they just have to
kill the eat Park Residents Association and then yeah, we
all three.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think murder's probably a bit much conray, but you
know it's a full and final make you can't do that.
They've got it.
Speaker 13 (24:17):
It is.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Understandable that a small amount of residents don't like the idea. Hi, Michael, how.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Are you.
Speaker 13 (24:31):
See three or four points? I can't work out where
the Oakland City Council involved. It's no council money's involved
with the whole process. I mean the Oakland City Council
will got a track record. Look at how dirty beaches,
look at the road cones, look at the whole Auckland infrastructure.
It's a busket a basket case. And and to have
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these same people make a decision about about our next
fifty years for our sport entertainment. To me, the winner
is going to be sky streaming because I refuse to
go to eat Park. It's not a rugby ground, it's
not a cricket ground. I'm watching the video screen.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You're kind of missing out on a lot of fun then, Michael,
I think the reason that this is important for all.
Speaker 13 (25:20):
You try to leave even Park and it's a dog's
breakfast amongst Native and Michael.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I've mean to Eden Park for twenty five years. I've
never had an issue getting out of there. I've got
to wonder what your drivers. It's not hard. It's a
crowd of people. You leave the building. If you want
to park your car right outside, Yeah, you're going to
have issues, don't.
Speaker 13 (25:47):
I picked people up and drop them. And some of
the concerts you can't get close to the two kilometers
and trying to find people afterwards, people from out of
town that don't know where the hell they're going. But
number one, you know, Brisbane made the decision one hundred
days a three point six billion dollar stadium. We're going
to be left on the cloud by what's happening on Australia.
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We're a laughing stop laughing stock.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
We make We're not We're not. Thanks for your time.
But we're not Brisbane, this is not Australia. This is Auckland.
And when it comes to infrastructure around Eden Park, when
it comes to ticking process off, Auckland Council are very
involved in this. No, they're not paying for it, but
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if they don't support what's happened to Eden Park, no
one's going to come on board. And that's what Shane
Henderson was saying. It's going to attract support. People are
interest because they know the council is behind them. Because
the council weren't and caused trouble and didn't want to
engage and didn't want to look at public transport and
didn't want to look at how they restructure RU. On
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the outside, who's going to buy into it? Nobody, at
least this way. At least this way, they know that
they've got some power on their side, even though they
can't pay for it. Look, I understand what you mean.
A councilor made a mess of a whole lot of things.
But that's counsels right, that's what they do. And you
know where most of that blamers. You people out there
don't vote in local body elections, right, If you don't
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vote you keep your mouth shut. Thank you. This is
News Talks EB seven point thirty seven.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Gems from Tennessee Sports Talk on News Talks AB and
I'm a big fan of the razor.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is this Okham's razor in action? Ocham's raiser says the
most straightforward solution with the fewest assumptions, like the simplest way,
Ford is normally the best. It'd say that Eden Park
is a lot simpler with a lot less variables than
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what would happen down with the water fair call on anyhow,
you get out of your raisin stus. It's good to Andrew, mate,
how are you good?
Speaker 14 (28:14):
A good a you know?
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I like that Ockham's razor.
Speaker 14 (28:20):
Why didn't they start building it ten years ago?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
A dont like christ Church?
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Every year you leave it off?
Speaker 8 (28:29):
It costs the.
Speaker 14 (28:30):
Text payers, oh not yeah, the cost text payers and
probably you know, local textpayers money.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But we're aware of that. And then what you do though,
if you get Richard speak of engine you look back
or fifteen years I'll be saying the same thing. Then
fifteen years but they did it?
Speaker 11 (28:53):
So why were you?
Speaker 10 (28:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (28:56):
Well what what?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
What?
Speaker 14 (28:57):
Why are we passing around with it?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Well? No, I was going to pay for it.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Just why are you pushing around with it?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, they made a decision now, and they could have
made it ten fifteen years ago. The fact of matter
is they didn't. You can't sit around there to break
your rear vision mirrors off because there were plenty of
times Carlile Park would have been brilliant that didn't happen.
Didn't happen, didn't happen. If you get you keep looking
back at what you didn't do. You turn around, look
at hid and.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
What can we achieve?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And people out there are fans of Keep Park will go, well,
look at what we could achieve. I I'd love to
see it. I don't see it happening. This is palpable,
This is reasonable, This is pragmatic. You know what. I
actually think we might have a world class multi use
stadium that can have concerts with a roof and everything
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else before the Warriors win the NRL. I never thought
i'd say that. Get a glen. How are you hi?
Speaker 14 (29:57):
Hey Darcy? Here you going?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Good?
Speaker 14 (29:59):
Look you think Aden Park is a great venue for
that dum for the stadium. But the counselor, I think
it was Shane Henderson with it Okay, So he mentioned
the money and the benefits would go to the city,
but he also mentioned that the taxpayers money had a
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lot of text money money to pay for it. Yeah.
I don't vote in the city, but and like you said,
I won't shut my mouth because they want text payers
money and National Stadium was mentioned. So I think that
those that don't vote in the city should also get
a mentioned and not shut their mouths like what you said.
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And I think it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Well, yeah, I think that. With local body elections though,
which is an intrinsic part of what's happening here. Too
many people have got an opinion and attitude and a
voice and they don't vote, and they really need to
get on and exercise that because the council got a
lot more control than we give them credit for and
we ignore it the election absolutely, but you don't vote
for you in your local body election.
Speaker 14 (31:04):
So that city wants that My taxpayers money is to
go to pay to.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Only a small amount of it. They want some, but
it's not all. I mean, taxpace money is for all
of New Zealand. It's not just focused on one.
Speaker 14 (31:19):
Million, hundred and ten billion, billion or million or something.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Want one hundred and ten million. It's quite different to
one hundred and ten billion.
Speaker 14 (31:29):
Oh there is. But I think that people is for
the National Stadium.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And it's it's a name, then it's a name that's
been coined. The National Stadium. Nick Sortman came up with
that doesn't matter what it's called. It's going to be
a great, big stadium with big events in it that
is going to service the biggest city in the country. Anyway,
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it's seven forty four. I leave you with this. We've
got coming up next. The World Crickets Association chair talking
about changes proposed changes to international cricket the windows. I
contacted Jim Doyle, who's part of the Tetong feasibility study,
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and he responded with this, we appreciate the Council's assessment
of the feasibility studies and their agreement that Tetong is
technically an environmentally feasible They also highlight the significant public
benefits if delivered without public funding. Therefore, the Consortium will
assess the feedback and respond accordingly. That's from Key Park.
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If you struggle with Doro Maari, thanks for that. Jim
coming up next all about cricket. This is newstalksb to
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please put a bit to cricket. Now we're joined by
Heath Mills World Cricket Association at chair well so that
he's in a Cricket Players Association boss man talking about
possible changes coming to international cricket and the windows to
play international cricket. It joins us. Now, well, come on in, Heath.
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You've been working hard on this new report, haven't you good?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Actually, it's we're really pleased to produce the report that
we released last night. It's been about six seven months
in the making. And look, I think you know our
boards had a conversation about twelve months ago and as
we often do, we went around in circles about various
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degrees of frustration with the structure of the global game
of cricket, where we have franchise leagues and competitions clashing
with bilateral international cricket. We've got bilateral international cricket declining
and value unless people engaging in it because it doesn't
have a lot of context and the meaning. We have
outdated regulations and obviously the preennial problem we have in
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our sport with decisions are made by a global governing
body that really isn't one. It's a members organization and
people look after themselves and we've given various degrees of
recons and thoughts and opinions on that over the years
and we just decided, look, we actually are not aware
of a report being completed that looked at reviewed cricket
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and from a scheduling the economics, regulation leadership point of view,
and decided to commission one ourselves. And we're very fortunate
we got Paul marsh to lead a working group who
is used to lead the Australian Crickets Association as current
CEO of the AFL Player Association, obviously part of the
Marsh credit family, and in a whole of experts joined him,
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Tom Harris and former ECB CEO and obviously a significant
broadcasting career in Central Gupta from it from Star Sports
in India, along with a number of past players. It
was a really good working group met with about close
to seventy different stakeholders players, past players, administrators, current and
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past broadcasters and really the overwhelming response was cricket's got issues,
the value of bio, actual crickets declining, the structure of
the competitions at the International franchise level is confusing for fans,
and cricket needs to actually take stock and come up
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with a better system and try and develop a program
that people can follow, understand, is more efficient and potentially
maximizes its opportunities, which it's not doing at the moment.
So we're very pleased with the report that the working
group come up with and I'm very delighted to put
it out under public domain with its associated recommendations, and
we hope it gets good discussion and debate.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Make a good point in the scheduling is chaotic, inconsistent
and confusing. Therese are three words you don't want in
any structure. The report itself, it's quite a convoluted, confusing name,
protecting history, embracing change, a unified, coherent and global future.
But it is what it is. The big question here
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heat World Crickets Association, how much strength have you got
in your arm? You can say all you want, you
can report all you want, but can you get any
movement or the power brokers of World Cricket And I
looked toward the BCCI.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a really good question and one
we've been asked a lot. And of course We're only
one stakeholder in the game of the players. The majority
of the players' views. The reality is where we need
to work together. We have invested in this report, pull
at the time and in energy into it. We think
it's got really solid recommendations. We don't believe it'll be
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a panacea, but we know that some stakeholder groups and
with some of that you mentioned, will try and poke
holes in it. They will try and discredit parts of it,
and they will try and say some parts of it
can't work in their environment. You know, the recommendations are
at the higher level.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
The conceptual.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
There are ways to address any issue anyone might have.
We know that the ICC and the boards aren't going
to say this is fantastic, we're going to adopt it tomorrow.
What we want from this is discussion. So we want
media to engage in it. We want media to question
and challenge in it. We put it in front of
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the ICC, It's been put in front of the Cricket
Committee withere, the ICC last night and the Woman's Cricket
Committee today. We've sent it to all the national governing bodies.
We hope that they will look at it, they will
read it, They will come back with views on it,
and hopefully if we keep it in the public domain,
enough enough discussion occurs and enough pressure goes on the
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governing bodies to do something about the problems because the
problems aren't going away. Whether it's this report, it's recommendations,
or a crisis inflection point in a few years time,
something needs to be done. We know the value of
bilateral international cricket is declining, we know the interest in
that is not what it used to be. We know
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the interest and the value in the leagues is growing.
So you're One of the key recommendations here for US
is creating four windows for what we describe as core
international cricket for twenty one day windows where international cricket
can be prioritized, and we hope through doing that it's
going to have more value because the best players will
be available to plan it, which we just don't see
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happening at all at the moment aside from ICC events
and major Test match series.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I suppose if you look at that, when you establish
yourself as an international player, you become a superstar then
and then you can move on to the franchise legs.
Without that the international cricket and the relevance of there's
no one to pack for all of these franchise legs.
There are no names. They need each other. It's a
symbiotic relationship, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well, I'm not certain that that's going to be the future.
What we know is that the leagues have been privatized.
As you know, there are team owners now who own
teams across multiple leagues. We know that they are now
developing academies in the major cricket playing countries, and there
are players who are getting picked up for the leagues
who have played no international cricket or vertus of very
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little international cricket. And we have even in our own
country players that have played not a lot of international
cricket who are now, for all intents and purposes on
the international franchise circuit.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
So yes, whilst I would agree with you.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Initially five ten years ago that was the case, there's
no certainty that that's going to remain the case moving forward.
So we strongly believe that we need to protect some
aspects of international cricket and sure his players play because
that's critically how a number of the balls derive most
of their revenue. So you know, it's it's important that
(40:14):
we protect it, but we also have got to provide
opportunity for the leagues to grow. The leagues have been
very good for cricket and you look at the explosion
and cricket and the number of countries around the world
in franchise cricket.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
So there's a lot of good in that.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But we just need to make sure that we've got
clear windows and we've got clear competitions that people can
follow and understand. And it's not about playing a bi
electual international cricket ten months of the year sometimes with
B or C level teams because the best players aren't
here playing the game. That's that's not a the saint
sustainable future. We'd rather the game was more proactive and
(40:48):
did something about that.
Speaker 8 (40:49):
Got great call is your call on Sports Talk. Call
on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's Heath mills Well, Crickets Association boss man, talking about
some ideas to shuffle up to chain what happens in
international Cricketly he's taking on he's staying on the IPL
and he's staying on the BCCI. Try and get him
to relinquish some of their power and some of their money.
That's a brave thing to do. Good luck to him.
(41:19):
Four twenty one day windows where you can actually play
meaningful international cricket, and then the franchises can do whatever
they want outside of that time. Hey, it's an idea,
it's a discussion. They're talking about it. Thanks very much
for that, and thanks to Shane Henderson for joining the program.
One hundred and ten million dollars in a bigger scale
(41:39):
is actually not that much money. Oh, he's a lot
for me. It's really not that much money just to
get Stage one underway. How's the guy who's got the
toy factory in China. He's got plenty of money, isn't he.
I reckon they could call it Zoru Park. No, I
(42:01):
just give us one hundred and ten mill mates, probably
down the back of your couch. In fact, will throw
in all black jersey sponsors. We'll do both of them
for tart now excuse me, no water balloons due. Thanks
very much for your attention and time. Good evening.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
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