The Government has revealed it won't back the America's Cup coming to Auckland for 2027 - and it's sparked debate among experts.
Alinghi board member Brad Butterworth joined D'Arcy to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right, moving away from all of those little subjects to
a much bigger warning and take your calls on this
after Brad joins the show, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Three phone number Nation Way we context nineteen ninet two.
That is zed B, zed B the America's Cup. He
will it be missed? Do you even care?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And is it likely to be overrun by sale GP Regardless,
let's get Brad Butterworth on here and have.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
A we yearn about all of it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good evening, Brad, Hello, it's the big news coming out
today that the America's Cup will not be in Auckland
and only took a month for the pals that be
to decide it is no longer here. We're not going
to come back. I suppose the big question to you,
have we seen the end of the America's Cup?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Now with this news?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Look, who knows? You know? It's it's changed quite a
bit into I didn't really.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Understand the venue side of it, because you know, the
yacht clubs here and they they've got a lot of
saying what could happen?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
They should just dig their toes in and have it here.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You know, why would this operation not work? I think
in due diligence appears a month after merely posing that question,
that it's conveniently sunk without a trace, with with no work.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Put into it. Do you think there's want on either
side to actually have this?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Well, it's hard to save and I think, you know,
I think NB pretty divided and whether they wanted here
or not.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
So I just don't understand that side of it. You know.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
In ninety five when we went to the Yellow to
San Diego, they gave us the Yellow Page, so we
had had to get our sales organized, you know, so
I don't really understand the money that's needed to run
the event.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But the Soviet what about.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Traction with the event itself? And you were in the
Canmmunity sailing community very very deeply had suggests is attraction
disappearing the more times it spends being defended away?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
The cups changed quite at a lot now, you know,
because I mean, you can't sail your boats for a
year for some there's a bunch of draconian rules that
have been put in place, and it's you know, it's
just uncommercial and I don't think it's sustainable, but that's
the way it is. So you you know, if you're
asking me, i'd say you'd see less teams than more
teams the way that they're trying to set this thing up.
(02:38):
And you know, I think it's if it's not If
you can't run the event and the country where you're
defending it for, that's a bad advert for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right when it comes to government putting money, council putting
money in, do you think that it's warranted? The chatter
is is that their country is fairly broken. Putting seventy
five million dollars toward an event like this would be foolhardy.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And it wouldn't make any friends. Where do you sit
on that?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
On government investment for something as big as the America's Cup,
I suppose for social cohesion and what actually does to.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
The public, I think the government wastes a lot of money,
by the way, so you know, you can start there,
but I would think that you know, the GST tape
from the teams, you would have got six teams here
last time.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's a bunch of ways that you could change it.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And you know, they get to the actual teams wind
up paying for a lot of the event costs anyway,
not aside from what they spend here just to set
up and go sailing. So it's not that it's not
a bunch of of rich guys trying to take money
out of New Zealand. It's it's a bunch of guys
trying to run an event here and it's just going
(03:53):
to stack up. But you know, there's so many rules,
so many consents that you have to have, there's so
many people with there.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's you know, it's just a yacht race. So you know,
it's hard to quantify really.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
When you look at the way sale GP has developed,
that would appear to me to be the future. Well,
the America's Cup is the past.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Do you think that New.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Zealanders are more inclined to be engaged in something like
sail GP, this new form of racing.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Well I would agree with that because that's at the moment,
that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I mean, if you look.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
At what Russell has created with that whole league and
event side of things, it's it's you know, it's fun,
it's it it's good to watch, it's you know, it's
been it's you know, it's a yachtsman has created that,
so he's you know, it's he's done a fantastic job.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And yes, I think it's you.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Know, it's a real problem for the America's Cup with that,
you know, because the America's Cup doesn't have any sailing.
I mean it was the last time when sailing was
when New Zealand one in Barcelona, and now the boats
are sailing for another year and a half.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I mean, that's not sport, that's just something else.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I wonder if you probably can't comment on this because
you're not within the thickness of the team. But it
was so quickly moved across by Emirates Team New Zealand
you almost get the feeling that they just rather go
to Saudi Arabia anyway, and it was merely a bit
of lip service, this concept of having it here.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
After only four weeks, it's already been drop kicked.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah. Look, I would never clue what they're doing, but
I mean I just think that you know, the prize
in the America's cuts to the venue, bringing it back
to your town and sailing it, you know, with the
we're the club is so it just doesn't make sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
The biggest belief.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And we'll just go back to a question before though
within the sailing community within New Zealand, is they still want.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
For this to people still talk about it? Will they
miss it? Is that flown that?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I think it's you know, the game.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
New Zealanders love to see New Zealanders win, and you know,
it doesn't matter what game they're playing. You know, it's
great to have them about there in Barcelona. You know,
although the event was I don't think it was a
shadow of what it could have been. It was, you know,
well patronized by New Zealanders. There's a lot of New
Zealanders there watching it and it had a good outcome,
(06:26):
so they defend it, but it doesn't come back here.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
It just yeah, it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Are we capable of actually hosting this if we put
our mind to what you said before that it can't
cost that much money? But plainly it does, or someone
cashes something somewhere, But we actually capable here in Auckland
are putting a decent regatta together.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, Russell Coots, did I know that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Today it's a very sad day.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You're at a funeral and it's something that's really hurt
a lot of people in the community. Matthew Mitchell saying
goodbye to him today. Pretty sad day for what a
man he won. I think it was six America's Cups
across Spot four teams.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Quite the legend.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, Matthew, he was.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
He and I can tell you and a very good
friend to all of ours and a great crewmate, but mainly,
you know, just a great guy to He was this
any asset and a team, any team he was in,
he was a huge asset and he's going to be
soling list I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right, moving away from all of those little subjects to
a much bigger warning and take your calls on this
after Brad joins the show, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Three phone number Nation Way we context nineteen ninet two.
That is zed B, zed B the America's Cup. He
will it be missed? Do you even care?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And is it likely to be overrun by sale GP Regardless,
let's get Brad Butterworth on here and have.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
A we yearn about all of it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good evening, Brad, Hello, it's the big news coming out
today that the America's Cup will not be in Auckland
and only took a month for the pals that be
to decide it is no longer here. We're not going
to come back. I suppose the big question to you,
have we seen the end of the America's Cup?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Now with this news?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Look, who knows? You know? It's it's changed quite a
bit into I didn't really.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Understand the venue side of it, because you know, the
yacht clubs here and they they've got a lot of
saying what could happen?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
They should just dig their toes in and have it here.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You know, why would this operation not work? I think
in due diligence appears a month after merely posing that question,
that it's conveniently sunk without a trace, with with no work.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Put into it. Do you think there's want on either
side to actually have this?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Well, it's hard to save and I think, you know,
I think NB pretty divided and whether they wanted here
or not.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
So I just don't understand that side of it. You know.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
In ninety five when we went to the Yellow to
San Diego, they gave us the Yellow Page, so we
had had to get our sales organized, you know, so
I don't really understand the money that's needed to run
the event.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But the Soviet what about.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Traction with the event itself? And you were in the
Canmmunity sailing community very very deeply had suggests is attraction
disappearing the more times it spends being defended away?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
The cups changed quite at a lot now, you know,
because I mean, you can't sail your boats for a
year for some there's a bunch of draconian rules that
have been put in place, and it's you know, it's
just uncommercial and I don't think it's sustainable, but that's
the way it is. So you you know, if you're
asking me, i'd say you'd see less teams than more
teams the way that they're trying to set this thing up.
(02:38):
And you know, I think it's if it's not If
you can't run the event and the country where you're
defending it for, that's a bad advert for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right when it comes to government putting money, council putting
money in, do you think that it's warranted? The chatter
is is that their country is fairly broken. Putting seventy
five million dollars toward an event like this would be foolhardy.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And it wouldn't make any friends. Where do you sit
on that?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
On government investment for something as big as the America's Cup,
I suppose for social cohesion and what actually does to.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
The public, I think the government wastes a lot of money,
by the way, so you know, you can start there,
but I would think that you know, the GST tape
from the teams, you would have got six teams here
last time.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's a bunch of ways that you could change it.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And you know, they get to the actual teams wind
up paying for a lot of the event costs anyway,
not aside from what they spend here just to set
up and go sailing. So it's not that it's not
a bunch of of rich guys trying to take money
out of New Zealand. It's it's a bunch of guys
trying to run an event here and it's just going
(03:53):
to stack up. But you know, there's so many rules,
so many consents that you have to have, there's so
many people with there.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's you know, it's just a yacht race. So you know,
it's hard to quantify really.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
When you look at the way sale GP has developed,
that would appear to me to be the future. Well,
the America's Cup is the past.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Do you think that New.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Zealanders are more inclined to be engaged in something like
sail GP, this new form of racing.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Well I would agree with that because that's at the moment,
that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I mean, if you look.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
At what Russell has created with that whole league and
event side of things, it's it's you know, it's fun,
it's it it's good to watch, it's you know, it's
been it's you know, it's a yachtsman has created that,
so he's you know, it's he's done a fantastic job.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And yes, I think it's you.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Know, it's a real problem for the America's Cup with that,
you know, because the America's Cup doesn't have any sailing.
I mean it was the last time when sailing was
when New Zealand one in Barcelona, and now the boats
are sailing for another year and a half.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I mean, that's not sport, that's just something else.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I wonder if you probably can't comment on this because
you're not within the thickness of the team. But it
was so quickly moved across by Emirates Team New Zealand
you almost get the feeling that they just rather go
to Saudi Arabia anyway, and it was merely a bit
of lip service, this concept of having it here.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
After only four weeks, it's already been drop kicked.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah. Look, I would never clue what they're doing, but
I mean I just think that you know, the prize
in the America's cuts to the venue, bringing it back
to your town and sailing it, you know, with the
we're the club is so it just doesn't make sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
The biggest belief.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And we'll just go back to a question before though
within the sailing community within New Zealand, is they still want.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
For this to people still talk about it? Will they
miss it? Is that flown that?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I think it's you know, the game.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
New Zealanders love to see New Zealanders win, and you know,
it doesn't matter what game they're playing. You know, it's
great to have them about there in Barcelona. You know,
although the event was I don't think it was a
shadow of what it could have been. It was, you know,
well patronized by New Zealanders. There's a lot of New
Zealanders there watching it and it had a good outcome,
(06:26):
so they defend it, but it doesn't come back here.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
It just yeah, it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Are we capable of actually hosting this if we put
our mind to what you said before that it can't
cost that much money? But plainly it does, or someone
cashes something somewhere, But we actually capable here in Auckland
are putting a decent regatta together.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, Russell Coots, did I know that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Today it's a very sad day.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You're at a funeral and it's something that's really hurt
a lot of people in the community. Matthew Mitchell saying
goodbye to him today. Pretty sad day for what a
man he won. I think it was six America's Cups
across Spot four teams.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Quite the legend.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, Matthew, he was.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
He and I can tell you and a very good
friend to all of ours and a great crewmate, but mainly,
you know, just a great guy to He was this
any asset and a team, any team he was in,
he was a huge asset and he's going to be
soling list I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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