April 1, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Alinghi board member Brad Butterworth on the news that the America's Cup won't return to Auckland.
Talkback - America's Cup chat and speculation over whether it was the right move.
Neil Wagner on winning the Plunkett Shield Final and his farewell to NZ cricket.
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April one, twenty twenty five. I'm Darcy Walter Grave. I'm
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the program, We're going to end the show off with
Meal Wags Wagner one of the all times, not just
because of his outrageous school, but for the way he
is and who he is. I'm a massive fan of
Neil Wagner. Really looking forward to chatting with Neil again
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before he disappears off over the Northern Hemisphere after pouching
himself a planket shield for his new team with the
hold at the home of his old team. That's near
Later on the piece up first Brad Butterworth that joins
us four times America's Cup winner, a couple of different teams.
He was a tactician, he was a skipper and that
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was an interested bystander. There is no America's Cup to
be fought for on the waters of the White Matar
in the near future, maybe in the distant future that
decision that has been turned off. We'll talk more about
that with Brad Shorty before we go anywhere. And there
that though, let's do this Sport Today and in Sports
(02:03):
Today ends at our CEO Mark Robinson spoke of the
deal with the Enios that kept the Black Oil conglomerate
from mixing with the Black Jersey Organization in court. He
sounds like a bloat who came to the gunfight with
more than a knife.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
We were pretty open from when we started communicating this
that we believed we had a really strong position and
it's just been nice to be able to work for
in a readially quick amount of time and find a resolution.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's a very nice way of saying, Jim, sit down,
We've got you cornered. Give us the money. There ain't
no point in going any further. This is why I'm
on the negotiating table. Friends that are moving on new breakers.
Boss or President of Basketball Operations, give me strength. Water
is with these names. I mean, my name is Darcy Watergrave.
(02:55):
I'm the chief President Operations Officer and Sports Talk officer
or something dell about you. He started his stewardship with
an easy layout, bring back black.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
We absolutely want to bring the black jersey back.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I think that's really important that that signifies New Zealand
term and that's one hundred percent what we will be
looking to do.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You're not the New Zealand team. That's the tall Blacks.
When the break is rocking like a blue and gold
way back in the day, like two thousand and three,
go back to that now. Wagner, one of the Black
Cats modern day fast bowling heroes, have stepped away from
the game in New Zealand today, taking the Plunket shield
with them. Northern beat Wags's old team Otago to seal
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the deal and he bagged a five foot for good measure.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's a pretty special way teen.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
What has been amazing seventeen years in this beautiful country
playing you know with my heart and solom my.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Sleeve and soul on a sleep dad. It's a good trick.
And talking about sound medical prognosis is some from hurricanes assistant.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
He's running around now, so it's you know, hopefully the
next week or so he'll be he'll be into team
training and they're obviously, you know, hopefully up for selections.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, that was doctor Jane referring to Billy Proctor the
one test all black. You should have played more quiet, Frank.
The Billy's were covered from injury. Isn't far from a
return possibly whatever you got out of that, And that's
the sport today, moving away from all of those little
subjects to a much bigger warning and take your calls
on this after Brad joins the show at eight hundred
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America's Cup. Will it be missed? Do you even care?
And is it likely to be overrun by sale GP Regardless,
let's get Brad Butterworth on here and have a we
yearn about all of it. Good evening, Brad, Hello, it's
(04:55):
the big news coming out today that the America's Cup
will not be in Auckland and only took a month
for the pals that be to decide it is no
longer here. We're not going to come back. I suppose
the big question to you, have we seen the end
of the America's come now with this news?
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Look, who knows you know, it's you know, it's changed
quite a bit in terms of I didn't really understand
the venue side of it, because you know, the yacht
clubs here and they they've got a lot of saying
what could happen?
Speaker 7 (05:24):
They should just dig their toes in and have it here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know, why would this operation not work? I think
in due diligence appears a month after merely posing that question,
that it's conveniently sunk without a trace, with with no
work put into it. Do you think there's want on
either side to actually have this.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Well, it's hard to say, and I think, you know,
I think NB pretty divided and whether they wanted here
or not.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
So I just don't understand that side of it.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
You know, in ninety five when we went to the
Yellow to San Diego, they gave us the Yellow Page.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
So we had to.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Get our sales organized, you know, so I don't really
understand the money that's needed to run the event.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
But the Soviet what about.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Traction with the event itself? And you're in the community,
sailing community very very deeply had suggests is attraction disappearing
the more times it spends being defended away?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
The cups changed quite a lot a lot, now, you know,
because I mean you can't sail your boats for a
year for some there's a bunch of draconian rules that
have been put in place, and it's you know, it's
just uncommercial and I don't think it's sustainable, but that's
the way it is. So you you know, if you're
asking me, I'd say you'd see less teams than more
teams the way that they're trying to set this thing up.
(06:49):
And you know, I think it's if it's not if
you can't run the event in the country where you're
defending it, for that's a bad advert for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Right when it comes to government putting money, council putting
money in, do you think that it's warranted? The chat
is is their country is fairly broken. Putting seventy five
million dollars toward an event like this would be foolhardy
and it wouldn't make any friends. Where do you sit
on that? On government investment for something as big as
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the America's Cup, I suppose for social cohesion and what
actually does to the public.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Well, I think the government wastes a lot of money,
by the way, So you know, you can start there,
But I would think that you know, the GST tap
from the teams, you would have got six teams here
last time.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
There's a bunch of ways that you could change it.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
And you know, they get to the actual teams wind
up paying for a lot of the event costs anyway,
not aside from what they spend here just to set
up and go sailing. So it's not that it's not
a bunch of rich guys trying to take money out
of New Zealand. It's a bunch of guys trying to
run an event here and it's just going to stack up.
(08:04):
But you know, there's so many rules, so many consents
that you have to have, there's so many people with there.
It's you know, it's just a yacht race. So you know,
it's hard to quantify really.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
When you look at the way sale GP has developed,
that would appear to me to be the future. With
the America's Cup is the past. Do you think that
New Zelanders are more inclined to be engaged in something
like sail GP, this new form of racing.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Well, I would agree with that because that's at the moment,
that's what it is.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
I mean, if you look at.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
What Russell has created with that whole league and event
side of things. It's it's, you know, it's fun, it's
it it's good to watch, it's you know, it's been
it's you know, it's a yachtsman has created that, so
he's you know, it's he's done a fantastic job.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
And yes, I think it's you know, it's a real.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Problem for the America's Cup with that, you know, because
the Cup doesn't have any sailing it. I mean it
was the last time when sailing was when New Zealand
one in Barcelona, and now the boats are sailing for
another year and a half.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
I mean, that's not sport, that's just something else.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I wonder if you probably can't comment on this because
you're not within the thickness of the team. But it
was so quickly moved across by Emerates team New Zealand
you almost get the feeling that they'd just rather go
to Saudi Arabia anyway, and it was merely a bit
of lip service, this concept of having it here after
only four weeks, it's already been drop kicked. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Look, I would never clue what they're doing, but I mean,
I just think that you know, the prize in the
America's cuts to the venue, bringing it back to your
town and sailing it, you know, with we're the club
is So it just doesn't make sense to me. The
biggest belief and we'll just.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Go back to a question before though, within the sailing
community within New Zealand, is they still want for this
to people still talk about it? Will they miss it?
Is that flown that?
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Well?
Speaker 7 (10:11):
I think it's you know, the game. New Zealanders love
to see New Zealanders win.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
And you know, it doesn't matter what game they're playing.
You know, it's great to have them out there in Barcelona.
You know, although the event was I don't think it
was a shadow of what it could have been. It was,
you know, well patronized by New Zealanders. There's a lot
of New Zealanders there watching it and it had a
(10:35):
good outcome, so they defend it, but it doesn't come
back here.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
It just, yeah, it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Are we capable of actually hosting this if we put
our mind to what you said before that it can't
cost that much money, but plainly it does, or someone
cashes something somewhere, But we actually capable here in Auckland
are putting a decent regatta together.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Well, Russell Coots, did I know.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
That today it's a very sad day. You're at a
funeral and it's something that's really hurt a lot of
people in the community. Matthew Mitchell saying goodbye to him today,
Pretty sad day for what a man he won. I
think it was six America's Cups across spot four teams.
Quite the legend.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, Matthew, he was, and I can tell you and
a very good friend to all of ours and a
great crew mat but mainly, you know, just a great
guy to He was just any asset and a team,
any team he was in, he was a huge asset
and he's going to be sorely missed.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Forget the refs call. You make a call on Sports
Talking on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's Brad A. Butterworth. There has been in the thick
of America's cut right back in the good old days
when the team was winning and then they disappeared and
the team started to lose. But at least when they're
one that came back here again. So White A question
for you all out there I'd suggest that this is
the death knell of the America's Cup here in New Zealand.
(12:11):
It might be being a little dramatic over the top,
because if it was to ever come back here, I'm
sure New Zealanders, like good little patriots that they are,
would have a look and climb on board. But it's
becoming so distant. They are so detached from your average
New Zealander and I don't think for a second. This
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to me. After four weeks of announcing them, I look
to chase it down. The government doesn't want it. Team
New Zealand don't want to come back here. You read
the releases, that's all it says. There's no struggle, there
was no fighters like, oh well you've got no money,
we'll stay here. I don't want to come back here.
Government don't want to pay for it. I think that
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Tucky Unlimited Aukland it is super keen to have it
back here because they actually want something, to have fun
for the populace. I just don't think there was any
want on either side. Teen New Zealand are quite happy
over in Saudi Arabia, wherever they are getting their bucket
load of money to compete over there. But I think
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that the America's Cup is dying. I think it's lost
its grip. We had a tenus grip on New Zealand
as it was. By removing it and taking it to
other side of the world to defend it. It was
a celebration when they defended it.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Not really.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And then you've got the sale GP, which, as was
pointed out by Brad Butterworth, it is consistent. It's got
New Zealand teams. It comes here, they race all of
the time. It's not one out of the bag. From
time to time it seems to be the way forward.
(13:54):
The America's Cup is too big, it's too expensive, it's clumsy,
it's turd, it's weighty, and it's losing its grip. Me
I would mind seeing it race again. But am I
going to miss it?
Speaker 10 (14:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Are you? Twenty minutes after seven? Good day Rowan?
Speaker 11 (14:17):
How are you?
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (14:19):
Bad yourself?
Speaker 9 (14:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I'm all right.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I struggle with this because I do love sailing. I
love the technology, I love the racing. I'm a big
fan of it. And I just feel so removed from this,
like it's got nothing to do with us anymore.
Speaker 11 (14:30):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 12 (14:31):
I'm not even like I don't even have a sailboat
or a boat full stop, but I actually really enjoy
you know, when the America's Cup is on, it doesn't
matter where it is, but when it's in Awkland especially,
you're anywhere and it's sort of a yeah, it makes
you feel proud of me. But I'm just sort of touching.
And it's just my opinion towards the money side.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Way they don't.
Speaker 11 (14:54):
Want to spend it.
Speaker 12 (14:57):
I think there's a few things going on with counsel
and government towards money and I don't know where there's
had anything to do with it, but sort of sort
of wanting to do a stadium as such, an upgrading
something for the football.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, I want to give one hundred and ten million
dollars to Eating Park, definitely don't want to give seventy
five million dollars to Grunt Dalton. That the issue is
here is I talked to Ryan Bridge about it this afternoon.
There is money, and all money is earmarked for hospitals
and earmarked for roads. It has to also be earmarked
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for other parts of New zealand other things that we do.
It's not just all about getting rid of road cones
and filling potholes, they could find it. Maybe if they
weren't like running around shoveling bucket loads of money back
at landlords, they might have a couple of million dollars
to spend.
Speaker 12 (15:54):
If we didn't have so many idiots, we wouldn't need
so many cones.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't mind the road cones. I mean, if it's
going to save a life, it's going to save a way.
But I think that there is money out there, but
there is there is no willingness to spend the money
from government because I think it'll probably be the death
now for their time and office because people will freak
out and go don't do that. Same with Eden Park,
so sport goes backward. But I don't think there's a
(16:21):
one for an anymore. I really don't. I don't think
people are out there screaming for it going we want
the America's Cup. It has been so long. Now that
it's been, we've almost accepted the fact that we've got
no money and they never can on back here you
go play.
Speaker 12 (16:36):
I know that there's probably no profit in it or
even but how many on the day when we do
have it here, how many we get on the water?
What entries like just watching oh this, I.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Don't I wouldn't have a number. I don't know. I
was out there last time around a lot of people
out there.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
Even TV like there is Look.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
If they said and Ron, thanks for your time. And
I wonder if there was any research done, any Dudela
gents done around the claims that buffalowner the America's Cup
generated two billion dollars, you know, and if that was right,
how do they pull that apart? How truthful? Could we
generate half a billion dollars? Would that make the investment
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worth while? The speed at which this has been slapped
to one side suggests there was no want by either
party to have this back in Auckland? Can I Mark?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Hey, yeah, I think you could hear it. And Brad
Butterworth he couldn't believe what Dolton obviously did when when
he won and took it away. He just couldn't couldn't
work out the logic in it. But it's just to me,
the people that probably gave Golden the money in the
first place, it's almost the slap in the face and
the middle finger to him really not letting giving him
no seventy five million dollars to Liland's pockets with I
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mean to me, Graham Dalton killed the America's Cup for
the family know as a fan of the America's Cuptain's freemantle.
I think he really killed it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You know, why do you think he killed it? Could
you be more specific on that?
Speaker 10 (18:11):
Because no one thought when he won the Cup that
he'd take it away. It was the bizarre, one of
the most bizarre things to happen in the American sport.
It was Team New Zealand, it wasn't team Dalton. I mean,
you know, people put in government to put a lot
of money to develop the brand over a long time,
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and he just destroyed that brand with one swipe of
the pen and to fill his pockets and take it
overseas when he won it.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, I don't know where the money went, and I
can't even offer that up for conjecture because I simply
don't know. But what I feel is what you're saying,
regardless of we think all the income went, is that
he said thanks and then turn around and left and
left us all stand here looking pretty stupid, going hold on,
isn't it isn't that our cup? What are you doing?
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And you're running on the back of our name. Where
are you now?
Speaker 10 (19:01):
I think his biggest problem was he made the officials
that gave him that money in the first place look stupid,
you know, because there was nothing written down to say, oh,
we're going to give you two hundred million dollars and
we're going to upgrade the waterfront. But hey, if you
win the cup, maybe you keep it here.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's a really good one. Or maybe they just presumed
we know what presumptions are.
Speaker 10 (19:23):
It was, it was. It was the dumbest deal that
the government's ever done, not not to contract. I know,
this guy's hawking himself to anyone who's like a prostitute
of your saying you've Grant Dalton. And he took the
money from the taxpayer and the ratepayer of Auckland and said, oh,
thanks for that, I'll see you later on.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
We can't stay here, it's not possible to go somewhere else.
And Matt, what what do just mean? Thanks very much
for your call. I had an eighty ten eighty if
you want to climb and like market. Grant Dalton said
this last year that Saudi Arabia it looks like it's
fantastic place, an inviting place, and the America's cup would
sit there just nicely. It woulds that effect. He's sitting
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and producer and he dust's laughing because he knows I've
been banging on about this for ages. And as soon
as that those words or their ialk came out of
his mouth, I'm like, oh my lord, he's got no
intention of coming big here at all. I almost feel
like you want to put the words back into his
mouth again. Well, I wouldn't say that be fesceded up.
They had no desire to come back, and the press
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releases everything from them, and I noticed they're not doing
any interviews. They've been very quiet about it Team New Zealand.
Only when it seats them off they go. But they've
they've lost it for me, They've they've lost it. They've
lost the connection with New Zealand and this is just
stretching it even further. Am I wrong?
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty And He'm like, how
close do you feel to this? I don't. I love
the Sailors, I love the technology, but it's you know,
it's a Formula one team on the other side of
the world that we've got no idea what they do.
Sole GP is caught it and it's passing it in
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a real hurry. His news talks.
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talk four about the lack of traction in the America's
Cup has the fact that I believe New Zealand sports
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fans are feeling more and more alienated by this racing team.
Less engage with them because they have a name that's
just like ours, New Zealand. And yeah, there are some
sailors there and some teamers that we know, but they're
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born and breedy. But where are they? I think people
find it really very difficult to connect with a team
that isn't here. And then went away defended the Cup
and the whole idea of winning the Cup is to
defead it at home. That's the prize, and went on, oh,
we're going to defend it somewhere else because we can't
afford it. And yep, they defended it, But did they
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win any friends. Did they endear themselves to any New
Zealand sports fans.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think the goodwill is essentially gone. That's been built
up over the years and proudly built up over the years,
and I think Dalton is starting to understand that, and
I think the government that are understanding because I'm like, well,
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I'm not going to give you that much money because wow,
you probably really don't represent us anymore, and it's really
a bad move for us. It would be shooting ourselves
in the foot to give you money. I think Dalton's
probably gone. Wow, the future of this event's over in
Saudi Arabia and Europe anyway. I just feel it's a
bit lip service e this whole situation. Good on Auckland
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for intending to get it to bring a reason to
bring people to these shores, but I'd suggest that the
Ducky Unlimited Auckland are the only players that actually wanted this.
I don't think the government had any desire and I
don't think Team New Zealand had any desire either. The
good wolve's gone. It's it's dying. The future is sale gp.
Speaker 13 (24:15):
New.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's modern, it's uplifting, it's quick, it's annual, it's not
mid and money dramas and controversy. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, tell me? Is the good will gone?
And we all hark back to the glory days and
the Red Sox and so on and so forth? What
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was amazing? We took on the wall and P J.
Montgomery was giving it what Ford New Zealand's got me?
I was great? Where is that now? I tell you? Nowhere?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, tell me I'm wrong? Hey, Ray,
what have you got for us?
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Ray?
Speaker 10 (24:59):
Here it go good?
Speaker 14 (25:02):
I'm probably going to say what a lot of people
would like to hear that there. That team is about
as close to New Zealand as the McLaren McLaren Formula
One team is. And I think it's probably time you
want to all yourself around the world and go and
get anyone else to pay for the big bucks. Going
to give them naming rights. You'll probably get even more money.
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You'll be happy then.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'm not arguing with you here and we and we
proudly look to the McLaren name, but what he's about
McLaren anymore? Nothing? At least they've gone back to Papa.
Speaker 14 (25:36):
Daniel or the team. Put your name here, you know,
because be fear.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
I'm not a.
Speaker 14 (25:42):
Huge sailing fan, but I'd always watched it. I won't
now and it seems to me that that Sale GP
is a winner.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Okay, So what's the difference between the America's Cup and
Sale GP. That means you won't watch America's Cup but
you will watch Sale GP. What is the defire?
Speaker 14 (26:00):
I don't watch a lot, but I do. I will
look in to see how it's going.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
I've got a.
Speaker 14 (26:05):
Side and trust if you will, because it's exciting and
it's real, and it's.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Here, and it's here and you feel an engagement because
it's part of it. When you go along to the
docks and you see the boat that represents news Land,
you know it does.
Speaker 14 (26:25):
To be sure, I'm a contemporary annoyed that council stuff
that one up, But that's all right, awkward still down
the road.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, And let's face it, that's what councils are there for.
The complicators, I don't know, just running through the complicator
and see what happens for bad move don't ask them. Hi,
end he's going brother, it's gone goody And what's on
your mind? What I was going to.
Speaker 13 (26:52):
Say was like, do you realize that continues now and
now is going through like a new design rigg with
a slip back mass and still retaining his dows that
and doing fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I don't know anything about the future of the
America's Cup. How come you.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
Also this is on the scene, thought.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'm sorry, I and I've lost you there. We're just
going to move on. Hi, Mike, how are you?
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (27:24):
Hi? Mate?
Speaker 11 (27:25):
For me being being a fan of the team overrides
anything else, you know, whether they're competing in Auckland or
in Spain. I think it's just I always back all
the key we teams no matter what, and they've been
hugely successful. You know, we've got the best sailor's, best
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yacht designers and that should be celebrated. I don't think
it's a good thing to try to bring it down
and say, oh, you know he's taking it away and
all that. I don't think that's good for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think we haven't brought them down, They've done it. Themselves.
Speaker 11 (28:08):
There's nothing wrong with playing an away game. It's the
same with rugby. You don't get a home game every time.
You've got to spread it around and you alone.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
No, Mike, you do get home games. We don't get
anything out of it.
Speaker 11 (28:23):
We've had quite a few home games already. There's a
lot of countries that compete. We're never going to get
it shot at.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Home because we won it and you win it, and
the prize of winning it is defending it at home.
Now we win it, we never get to see it again.
There's no home game.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
I saw the last one that was incredible.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
On the TV.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
They were all in the middle of the night.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
I bought a.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Home game, Mike. That's not a home game. It's not.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
But it's our team mate, you're missing the whole nationhood home.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
How is it our team.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
Because because they stayed here, they have New Zealand all
over their their logos, so they're mostly Kiwi's.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
There's a lot of key Wes involved, Grunted and they've
got sponsorship from all over the globe and they're focused
on that. I don't feel as attached to this team
as I do with the sale GP teams, but that's okay.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
I love them and I'll always beck every Kiwi team
and I reckon you should too, Mike.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Thank you very much for your call, because I have
no problem. What I'm saying is that America's Cup has lost,
It's gripped and it's grasped on New Zealand sports fans
because there is no home games, and I think people
are sick of the narrative and the government though that's
like we're in a bar of it. It was like, oh,
he's grint again with his handout whatever. They're losing it
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and they're losing us fast again. The Sailors. I love
the technology, I love the event's cool, but not on
the other side of the world. In the middle of
a night for a defense here was it. Caller rung
up the four and said, obviously didn't sign a contract,
but we'll give you all this money. But if you wouldn't,
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you got to stay here. Oh that's a given, isn't it.
Twenty one minutes to eight o'clock. This is Sports Talk
on Newstalk ZB.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Good Nut.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Seventeen minister eight Sports Talk here on News Talks CB
eight hundred eighty ten eighty ninety nine two is the
text line. If any of your texts coming in, I'll
try and get to some of them, but I'd rather
talk to people like Andrew Hi.
Speaker 12 (30:53):
Hi, yeah, Hi Hi.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It's just on the America's Cup. I came here in
two thousand of a boat builder in a x yo
and all the America's Cup just to have a look around.
And I'm still here. So I really loved the place
and it's such a beautiful hardor and it's just built
for it, really, But I do feel being a bit
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unfair to Grant Dalton and what he has achieved with
the team, because it's no easy task to win that
and to develop those boats, and the way they have
just the t foils and the whole foiling team is
quite amazing. I mean, they really deserve a lot of credits.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I've got no doubt about that at all. But what's
the basic tenant of the America's Cup?
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah, I see how you You know, we all wanted
to come back here, and we all wanted them to
keep it here next time. But from from sailing around
the med and and across to various places and talking
to the people when it was on here who are
over there and they were really following it. So the
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sport was really tapering off because because we were winning
it so much. You know, at some point you've got
to generate the the interest and the income for the
sports and from.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Jeopardys thing is the word you're looking for. What we've
got here, though, You've got a situation where it's so
hard to win, so hard to mount a challenge. It's
in such rare fight here. It's almost distant itself from
what and when you look to something like sale GP,
which has got amazing technology, it feels real and it
feels like it's here and they represent us. I think
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people are really detected. I think the good will's gone
with our team New zeal on the barble. I don't
think they don't feel part of it anymore.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
The America has got some more of a development and
a technological race, and whereas sale GPS absolutely amazing to
watch and they're short races and they're just absolute machines.
And you've got each nation so that that's a wonderful
thing in itself, and I completely understand why the government
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didn't want to put the money forward. I don't think
that people have the appetite through it. Here, and it's
just before an election, so it's bad timing and we've
got we've got a lot of debts to pay off,
a lot of issues. So I can see why why
it's that way. But I do feel that here has
been a bit rough on what that team have achieved,
because it's absolutely not only did they do the win
(33:40):
the America's Come, but they built the Woman's America's Cup
and the Junior America's Cup and the E E Racing
as well, and they pulled all that off. And the
number of people who are interested in it now and
the amount of attention they've got it would would be
I think it's more just a case of the numbers.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Liked it, it's too expensive to do it over here,
and they don't want to keep it like that. But Angel,
we don't have a call coming in, so I just
have to let you go there. But people feel I
don't think that disenfranchised, alienated, They don't feel like the
boat or the team represent them. And someone's texted And
no difference to the All Blacks going to Hong Kong,
(34:21):
Brennan's huge difference. The All Blacks go to Hong Kong
and play the old game they play a lot of
games back here. How long that lasts I don't know,
but they are ours dares. If Joe Parker wins another
world title, will he bring it home and defend his zellen? No,
he'll take the Saudi money and defend it over there. Yeah,
(34:41):
probably will. But the basic tenet of world heavyweight boxing
is you don't defend your belt at home. These Island's
passion with America's Cup is being belt on that. Hey, Maverick,
how are you.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Very good?
Speaker 9 (34:58):
Else?
Speaker 15 (34:59):
During that roughly twenty years ago, when we used to
see sales on the deck looking that they got talent
on top of the mast and pin in the main
seats and trimming the.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Sales, you're talking about proper sailing.
Speaker 15 (35:16):
I'm talking about I'm talking about sailing.
Speaker 16 (35:20):
Now.
Speaker 15 (35:20):
Now it's all technology driven, and it's all about computer technology,
which quite frankly, if I can say this, kisses me off.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
So it's got so far away from how it started.
You no longer feel any compassion to water because it's
not what you started watching.
Speaker 15 (35:41):
No, no, no, I still love the innovation that a
kiwis bring to the cup. And now right up the
top of the ladder, yep, but they will come point
in time, not in the two distant future of my opinion,
and I hope I'm wrong, where the Americans or the
Chinese or somewhere in Europe they'll come up with an
(36:03):
AI AI program that will just brow us out the water.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
And it's not sailing.
Speaker 15 (36:09):
It's money and technology. So what the hell of we
allowing to happen?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, when we're not allowing, we're just watching it. It's
gone beyond. It's flown too close to the sun. You
can see the wax dripping off from now. It's it's
a difficult one, Maverick, thanks very much for your call.
It's twelve minutes to eight coming up next near Wagner
joins the program. Retired today from New Zeeland first class
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cricket by winning that pie.
Speaker 17 (36:37):
Good yeal you go son, Yeah, seven fifty one Sports
talk on News Talk z B.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Away from the sailing, Let's go now to kneel Wagner.
I can say it because I believe it. One of
New Zealand's fast bowling grates retired from first class cricket
today in New Zealand. For this team Northern Districts. They
went to Otagu. It's Neil's old team and picked up
the Blanket Shield. Awesome, well done.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
Good evening, Neil, good evening mate. How you going?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I'm not as good as you. What a way to
finish a splendid New Zealand career the Blanket Shield the
first time is Northern's done it and I don't know
how long, and you do it in your home away
from home Otarga. You can't write scripts like this, Neil Man.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Now it's very special. It's as amazing how it's gone
gone through his full circle.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
I guess obviously.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
From starting my career for Targo against Sandia and they
play for India.
Speaker 16 (37:43):
Against the Target in the Oval and to you know,
obviously play for Blunket Shield and to be able to
win it. This, yeah, as as good as it gets made.
It's an absolute fairy tire ending. Cann't ask me any better?
And nice to be unable to contribute and play roll.
Speaker 9 (37:58):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Dare I say it? You would have the same energy
and controlled aggression going into that game as you went
into your first Plunket Shield match, even if it was
was it even called the plunket Chield back then, Neil, No,
it was stage shield.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
My first year, I think, and it's sort of quite
confusing because I think some of the stats and things
are staying as I guess state Shield and once it's.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
Mean too Plunket shield. I think it sort of changed
after that, So a little bit.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Confusing ot this and that seems, but it's nice that
it's again, you know, the Plunket shield the way it
should be and the history and I think everything evolved
of it. It's it's pretty special. I think when you
when you know, got to give us a group start
of season, it's the first trophy I guess that you
sort of took on the list of you're trying to
aim and wanting to achieve and accomplish and just.
Speaker 16 (38:43):
Bloody proud and glad that we've we've been managing and
be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I said, you'd bring the same energy to the start
of that fixture as you did way back in the day.
And I think that's one of the hallmarks of your career, Neil.
It doesn't matter what is going on, you are going
full noise, one hundred and ten percent. You won't stop. Relentless.
As a phrase we could use for your career, nothing's
since the first time I interviewed. I don't know how
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long ago to right here right now. You've maintained that
enthusiasm and that focused aggression.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
How do you do that?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
It's the will and the ones, mate, I guess, the
I guess might never matter in a big way. Yeah,
I'm fitting nine years old and getting in the older
sort of side.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
But you want to want to achieve things?
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Do you want to do things the love of the game,
I guess, and being around it and still wanting to
achieve things.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
I guess as the motivation and the.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Drive, the people around you and all those sort of
things there to it. So yeah, I mean, yeah, it
was a really pleasing way to do it. I knew
I was going to enter the tank, I guess in
these last two games. Give it absolutely everything, try and
try and do that and achieve it, and just body.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
Glad I've got that opportunity to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
So you picked up what a fifer in the second innings,
managed to smash yourself some runs as well. There reasonably
our quick time kind of set up for you. You'll
make jeet Ravelsaga, get in there and have a swing
you miles and enjoy the end of this all.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
Yeah, between him and b J. It's quite nice.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
It's funny I started my first last career I think
a soca as.
Speaker 9 (40:14):
An eye watchman up your order.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Everybody thought I was a top all a bat when
they put the scorecard and to fit you nicely, I
guess at the top of the order.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Again.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
It's quite nice to finish it that way, is It
was quite nice for them to say, hey, strapping mind
mate and going to have a bit of a dip
in a crack.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
Very pleasing. So just nice to contribute made.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
That's one thing I've always wanted to do since I've
set foot on the cricket fields. Find ways of winning
games and playing a role and putting your hand up
and times.
Speaker 9 (40:43):
Good stuff and something I've always.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Done and bloody glad I you know, go that same
sort of way and hope for people. I just remember
you for what you've done in the way you play
the game.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I got a question for you after some conversations in
the office. You remember the infamous ajs ptel team work
at bag How could you not they didn't want to
bowl you during that series because of course the angle
you bowl. I mean, there'll be huge footmarks everywhere for
the spinners to bowl out of. If they have thrown
you the ball, would you have bowled the entire game
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around the wicket.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
But I'll do whatever the team needs for me.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
That's always what I've done, and the person I am
is you know, it's the team first.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
For me.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
It's not about the individual and what they need. If
they come down and say, hey, we want you to
do this, I'll do it. So whatever case in scenario results,
it's it's it's not up to you. It's a team
sport and ultimately it is there's some bigger pictures around
it and people I guess that make the sort of
calls and you gotta respect it. So whatever gets thrown
my way, I just taking the go over and say yes,
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please help me do what you needed.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
The right call is your call on eighty Sports Talk
call on your home of sports US Talk ZB Neil Wagner.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
The full interview is online News Talks, EB, dot co,
dot m Z. He's a left armor and he leaves
massive footmarks so they don't let them bowl, and predictably
you go around the look at the whole time. I
don't care. I just want to play. Does want to bowl?
Top bloke someone's texting and Wags is a true champion
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and stands for all that is key with news. A
lot of America's Cup text a lot. There's still a
lot of passion out there for the America's Cup. Got
to say a lot of it's and you know, two
thirds of it's quite negative, but then there's a third
of it that's very positive. The America's Cup should change
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format to be like F one, an event that goes
to several ports over the year. The boats can be
getting updated. That's called sale GP.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was getting super excited on my first day back
at work, mainly because my headphones are turned up so loud.
To turn them down that I might relax. No way,
shut It's seven minutes up seven. It's a Tuesday night,
April one, twenty twenty five. I'm Darcy Walter Grave. I'm
here through until eight. Got a good names Tonight on
(00:57):
the program, We're going to end the show off with
Meal Wags Wagner one of the all times, not just
because of his outrageous school, but for the way he
is and who he is. I'm a massive fan of
Neil Wagner. Really looking forward to chatting with Neil again
(01:18):
before he disappears off over the Northern Hemisphere after pouching
himself a planket shield for his new team with the
hold at the home of his old team. That's near
Later on the piece up first Brad Butterworth that joins
us four times America's Cup winner, a couple of different teams.
He was a tactician, he was a skipper and that
(01:41):
was an interested bystander. There is no America's Cup to
be fought for on the waters of the White Matar
in the near future, maybe in the distant future that
decision that has been turned off. We'll talk more about
that with Brad Shorty before we go anywhere. And there
that though, let's do this Sport Today and in Sports
(02:03):
Today ends at our CEO Mark Robinson spoke of the
deal with the Enios that kept the Black Oil conglomerate
from mixing with the Black Jersey Organization in court. He
sounds like a bloat who came to the gunfight with
more than a knife.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
We were pretty open from when we started communicating this
that we believed we had a really strong position and
it's just been nice to be able to work for
in a readially quick amount of time and find a resolution.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's a very nice way of saying, Jim, sit down,
We've got you cornered. Give us the money. There ain't
no point in going any further. This is why I'm
on the negotiating table. Friends that are moving on new breakers.
Boss or President of Basketball Operations, give me strength. Water
is with these names. I mean, my name is Darcy Watergrave.
(02:55):
I'm the chief President Operations Officer and Sports Talk officer
or something dell about you. He started his stewardship with
an easy layout, bring back black.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
We absolutely want to bring the black jersey back.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I think that's really important that that signifies New Zealand
term and that's one hundred percent what we will be
looking to do.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You're not the New Zealand team. That's the tall Blacks.
When the break is rocking like a blue and gold
way back in the day, like two thousand and three,
go back to that now. Wagner, one of the Black
Cats modern day fast bowling heroes, have stepped away from
the game in New Zealand today, taking the Plunket shield
with them. Northern beat Wags's old team Otago to seal
(03:40):
the deal and he bagged a five foot for good measure.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's a pretty special way teen.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
What has been amazing seventeen years in this beautiful country
playing you know with my heart and solom my.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Sleeve and soul on a sleep dad. It's a good trick.
And talking about sound medical prognosis is some from hurricanes assistant.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
He's running around now, so it's you know, hopefully the
next week or so he'll be he'll be into team
training and they're obviously, you know, hopefully up for selections.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, that was doctor Jane referring to Billy Proctor the
one test all black. You should have played more quiet, Frank.
The Billy's were covered from injury. Isn't far from a
return possibly whatever you got out of that, And that's
the sport today, moving away from all of those little
subjects to a much bigger warning and take your calls
on this after Brad joins the show at eight hundred
(04:32):
eighty ten eighty three phone number Nation, Why we context
nineteen ninet two. That is z B z B the
America's Cup. Will it be missed? Do you even care?
And is it likely to be overrun by sale GP Regardless,
let's get Brad Butterworth on here and have a we
yearn about all of it. Good evening, Brad, Hello, it's
(04:55):
the big news coming out today that the America's Cup
will not be in Auckland and only took a month
for the pals that be to decide it is no
longer here. We're not going to come back. I suppose
the big question to you, have we seen the end
of the America's come now with this news?
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Look, who knows you know, it's you know, it's changed
quite a bit in terms of I didn't really understand
the venue side of it, because you know, the yacht
clubs here and they they've got a lot of saying
what could happen?
Speaker 7 (05:24):
They should just dig their toes in and have it here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know, why would this operation not work? I think
in due diligence appears a month after merely posing that question,
that it's conveniently sunk without a trace, with with no
work put into it. Do you think there's want on
either side to actually have this.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Well, it's hard to say, and I think, you know,
I think NB pretty divided and whether they wanted here
or not.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
So I just don't understand that side of it.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
You know, in ninety five when we went to the
Yellow to San Diego, they gave us the Yellow Page.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
So we had to.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Get our sales organized, you know, so I don't really
understand the money that's needed to run the event.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
But the Soviet what about.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Traction with the event itself? And you're in the community,
sailing community very very deeply had suggests is attraction disappearing
the more times it spends being defended away?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
The cups changed quite a lot a lot, now, you know,
because I mean you can't sail your boats for a
year for some there's a bunch of draconian rules that
have been put in place, and it's you know, it's
just uncommercial and I don't think it's sustainable, but that's
the way it is. So you you know, if you're
asking me, I'd say you'd see less teams than more
teams the way that they're trying to set this thing up.
(06:49):
And you know, I think it's if it's not if
you can't run the event in the country where you're
defending it, for that's a bad advert for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Right when it comes to government putting money, council putting
money in, do you think that it's warranted? The chat
is is their country is fairly broken. Putting seventy five
million dollars toward an event like this would be foolhardy
and it wouldn't make any friends. Where do you sit
on that? On government investment for something as big as
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the America's Cup, I suppose for social cohesion and what
actually does to the public.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Well, I think the government wastes a lot of money,
by the way, So you know, you can start there,
But I would think that you know, the GST tap
from the teams, you would have got six teams here
last time.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
There's a bunch of ways that you could change it.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
And you know, they get to the actual teams wind
up paying for a lot of the event costs anyway,
not aside from what they spend here just to set
up and go sailing. So it's not that it's not
a bunch of rich guys trying to take money out
of New Zealand. It's a bunch of guys trying to
run an event here and it's just going to stack up.
(08:04):
But you know, there's so many rules, so many consents
that you have to have, there's so many people with there.
It's you know, it's just a yacht race. So you know,
it's hard to quantify really.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
When you look at the way sale GP has developed,
that would appear to me to be the future. With
the America's Cup is the past. Do you think that
New Zelanders are more inclined to be engaged in something
like sail GP, this new form of racing.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Well, I would agree with that because that's at the moment,
that's what it is.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
I mean, if you look at.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
What Russell has created with that whole league and event
side of things. It's it's, you know, it's fun, it's
it it's good to watch, it's you know, it's been
it's you know, it's a yachtsman has created that, so
he's you know, it's he's done a fantastic job.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
And yes, I think it's you know, it's a real.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Problem for the America's Cup with that, you know, because
the Cup doesn't have any sailing it. I mean it
was the last time when sailing was when New Zealand
one in Barcelona, and now the boats are sailing for
another year and a half.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
I mean, that's not sport, that's just something else.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I wonder if you probably can't comment on this because
you're not within the thickness of the team. But it
was so quickly moved across by Emerates team New Zealand
you almost get the feeling that they'd just rather go
to Saudi Arabia anyway, and it was merely a bit
of lip service, this concept of having it here after
only four weeks, it's already been drop kicked. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Look, I would never clue what they're doing, but I mean,
I just think that you know, the prize in the
America's cuts to the venue, bringing it back to your
town and sailing it, you know, with we're the club
is So it just doesn't make sense to me. The
biggest belief and we'll just.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Go back to a question before though, within the sailing
community within New Zealand, is they still want for this
to people still talk about it? Will they miss it?
Is that flown that?
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Well?
Speaker 7 (10:11):
I think it's you know, the game. New Zealanders love
to see New Zealanders win.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
And you know, it doesn't matter what game they're playing.
You know, it's great to have them out there in Barcelona.
You know, although the event was I don't think it
was a shadow of what it could have been. It was,
you know, well patronized by New Zealanders. There's a lot
of New Zealanders there watching it and it had a
(10:35):
good outcome, so they defend it, but it doesn't come
back here.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
It just, yeah, it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Are we capable of actually hosting this if we put
our mind to what you said before that it can't
cost that much money, but plainly it does, or someone
cashes something somewhere, But we actually capable here in Auckland
are putting a decent regatta together.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Well, Russell Coots, did I know.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
That today it's a very sad day. You're at a
funeral and it's something that's really hurt a lot of
people in the community. Matthew Mitchell saying goodbye to him today,
Pretty sad day for what a man he won. I
think it was six America's Cups across spot four teams.
Quite the legend.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, Matthew, he was, and I can tell you and
a very good friend to all of ours and a
great crew mat but mainly, you know, just a great
guy to He was just any asset and a team,
any team he was in, he was a huge asset
and he's going to be sorely missed.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Forget the refs call. You make a call on Sports
Talking on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's Brad A. Butterworth. There has been in the thick
of America's cut right back in the good old days
when the team was winning and then they disappeared and
the team started to lose. But at least when they're
one that came back here again. So White A question
for you all out there I'd suggest that this is
the death knell of the America's Cup here in New Zealand.
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It might be being a little dramatic over the top,
because if it was to ever come back here, I'm
sure New Zealanders, like good little patriots that they are,
would have a look and climb on board. But it's
becoming so distant. They are so detached from your average
New Zealander and I don't think for a second. This
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to me. After four weeks of announcing them, I look
to chase it down. The government doesn't want it. Team
New Zealand don't want to come back here. You read
the releases, that's all it says. There's no struggle, there
was no fighters like, oh well you've got no money,
we'll stay here. I don't want to come back here.
Government don't want to pay for it. I think that
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Tucky Unlimited Aukland it is super keen to have it
back here because they actually want something, to have fun
for the populace. I just don't think there was any
want on either side. Teen New Zealand are quite happy
over in Saudi Arabia, wherever they are getting their bucket
load of money to compete over there. But I think
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that the America's Cup is dying. I think it's lost
its grip. We had a tenus grip on New Zealand
as it was. By removing it and taking it to
other side of the world to defend it. It was
a celebration when they defended it.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Not really.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And then you've got the sale GP, which, as was
pointed out by Brad Butterworth, it is consistent. It's got
New Zealand teams. It comes here, they race all of
the time. It's not one out of the bag. From
time to time it seems to be the way forward.
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The America's Cup is too big, it's too expensive, it's clumsy,
it's turd, it's weighty, and it's losing its grip. Me
I would mind seeing it race again. But am I
going to miss it?
Speaker 10 (14:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Are you? Twenty minutes after seven? Good day Rowan?
Speaker 11 (14:17):
How are you?
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (14:19):
Bad yourself?
Speaker 9 (14:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I'm all right.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I struggle with this because I do love sailing. I
love the technology, I love the racing. I'm a big
fan of it. And I just feel so removed from this,
like it's got nothing to do with us anymore.
Speaker 11 (14:30):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 12 (14:31):
I'm not even like I don't even have a sailboat
or a boat full stop, but I actually really enjoy
you know, when the America's Cup is on, it doesn't
matter where it is, but when it's in Awkland especially,
you're anywhere and it's sort of a yeah, it makes
you feel proud of me. But I'm just sort of touching.
And it's just my opinion towards the money side.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Way they don't.
Speaker 11 (14:54):
Want to spend it.
Speaker 12 (14:57):
I think there's a few things going on with counsel
and government towards money and I don't know where there's
had anything to do with it, but sort of sort
of wanting to do a stadium as such, an upgrading
something for the football.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, I want to give one hundred and ten million
dollars to Eating Park, definitely don't want to give seventy
five million dollars to Grunt Dalton. That the issue is
here is I talked to Ryan Bridge about it this afternoon.
There is money, and all money is earmarked for hospitals
and earmarked for roads. It has to also be earmarked
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for other parts of New zealand other things that we do.
It's not just all about getting rid of road cones
and filling potholes, they could find it. Maybe if they
weren't like running around shoveling bucket loads of money back
at landlords, they might have a couple of million dollars
to spend.
Speaker 12 (15:54):
If we didn't have so many idiots, we wouldn't need
so many cones.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't mind the road cones. I mean, if it's
going to save a life, it's going to save a way.
But I think that there is money out there, but
there is there is no willingness to spend the money
from government because I think it'll probably be the death
now for their time and office because people will freak
out and go don't do that. Same with Eden Park,
so sport goes backward. But I don't think there's a
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one for an anymore. I really don't. I don't think
people are out there screaming for it going we want
the America's Cup. It has been so long. Now that
it's been, we've almost accepted the fact that we've got
no money and they never can on back here you
go play.
Speaker 12 (16:36):
I know that there's probably no profit in it or
even but how many on the day when we do
have it here, how many we get on the water?
What entries like just watching oh this, I.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Don't I wouldn't have a number. I don't know. I
was out there last time around a lot of people
out there.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
Even TV like there is Look.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
If they said and Ron, thanks for your time. And
I wonder if there was any research done, any Dudela
gents done around the claims that buffalowner the America's Cup
generated two billion dollars, you know, and if that was right,
how do they pull that apart? How truthful? Could we
generate half a billion dollars? Would that make the investment
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worth while? The speed at which this has been slapped
to one side suggests there was no want by either
party to have this back in Auckland? Can I Mark?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Hey, yeah, I think you could hear it. And Brad
Butterworth he couldn't believe what Dolton obviously did when when
he won and took it away. He just couldn't couldn't
work out the logic in it. But it's just to me,
the people that probably gave Golden the money in the
first place, it's almost the slap in the face and
the middle finger to him really not letting giving him
no seventy five million dollars to Liland's pockets with I
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mean to me, Graham Dalton killed the America's Cup for
the family know as a fan of the America's Cuptain's freemantle.
I think he really killed it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You know, why do you think he killed it? Could
you be more specific on that?
Speaker 10 (18:11):
Because no one thought when he won the Cup that
he'd take it away. It was the bizarre, one of
the most bizarre things to happen in the American sport.
It was Team New Zealand, it wasn't team Dalton. I mean,
you know, people put in government to put a lot
of money to develop the brand over a long time,
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and he just destroyed that brand with one swipe of
the pen and to fill his pockets and take it
overseas when he won it.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, I don't know where the money went, and I
can't even offer that up for conjecture because I simply
don't know. But what I feel is what you're saying,
regardless of we think all the income went, is that
he said thanks and then turn around and left and
left us all stand here looking pretty stupid, going hold on,
isn't it isn't that our cup? What are you doing?
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And you're running on the back of our name. Where
are you now?
Speaker 10 (19:01):
I think his biggest problem was he made the officials
that gave him that money in the first place look stupid,
you know, because there was nothing written down to say, oh,
we're going to give you two hundred million dollars and
we're going to upgrade the waterfront. But hey, if you
win the cup, maybe you keep it here.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's a really good one. Or maybe they just presumed
we know what presumptions are.
Speaker 10 (19:23):
It was, it was. It was the dumbest deal that
the government's ever done, not not to contract. I know,
this guy's hawking himself to anyone who's like a prostitute
of your saying you've Grant Dalton. And he took the
money from the taxpayer and the ratepayer of Auckland and said, oh,
thanks for that, I'll see you later on.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
We can't stay here, it's not possible to go somewhere else.
And Matt, what what do just mean? Thanks very much
for your call. I had an eighty ten eighty if
you want to climb and like market. Grant Dalton said
this last year that Saudi Arabia it looks like it's
fantastic place, an inviting place, and the America's cup would
sit there just nicely. It woulds that effect. He's sitting
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and producer and he dust's laughing because he knows I've
been banging on about this for ages. And as soon
as that those words or their ialk came out of
his mouth, I'm like, oh my lord, he's got no
intention of coming big here at all. I almost feel
like you want to put the words back into his
mouth again. Well, I wouldn't say that be fesceded up.
They had no desire to come back, and the press
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releases everything from them, and I noticed they're not doing
any interviews. They've been very quiet about it Team New Zealand.
Only when it seats them off they go. But they've
they've lost it for me, They've they've lost it. They've
lost the connection with New Zealand and this is just
stretching it even further. Am I wrong?
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty And He'm like, how
close do you feel to this? I don't. I love
the Sailors, I love the technology, but it's you know,
it's a Formula one team on the other side of
the world that we've got no idea what they do.
Sole GP is caught it and it's passing it in
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a real hurry. His news talks.
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talk four about the lack of traction in the America's
Cup has the fact that I believe New Zealand sports
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fans are feeling more and more alienated by this racing team.
Less engage with them because they have a name that's
just like ours, New Zealand. And yeah, there are some
sailors there and some teamers that we know, but they're
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born and breedy. But where are they? I think people
find it really very difficult to connect with a team
that isn't here. And then went away defended the Cup
and the whole idea of winning the Cup is to
defead it at home. That's the prize, and went on, oh,
we're going to defend it somewhere else because we can't
afford it. And yep, they defended it, But did they
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win any friends. Did they endear themselves to any New
Zealand sports fans.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think the goodwill is essentially gone. That's been built
up over the years and proudly built up over the years,
and I think Dalton is starting to understand that, and
I think the government that are understanding because I'm like, well,
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I'm not going to give you that much money because wow,
you probably really don't represent us anymore, and it's really
a bad move for us. It would be shooting ourselves
in the foot to give you money. I think Dalton's
probably gone. Wow, the future of this event's over in
Saudi Arabia and Europe anyway. I just feel it's a
bit lip service e this whole situation. Good on Auckland
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for intending to get it to bring a reason to
bring people to these shores, but I'd suggest that the
Ducky Unlimited Auckland are the only players that actually wanted this.
I don't think the government had any desire and I
don't think Team New Zealand had any desire either. The
good wolve's gone. It's it's dying. The future is sale gp.
Speaker 13 (24:15):
New.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's modern, it's uplifting, it's quick, it's annual, it's not
mid and money dramas and controversy. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, tell me? Is the good will gone?
And we all hark back to the glory days and
the Red Sox and so on and so forth? What
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was amazing? We took on the wall and P J.
Montgomery was giving it what Ford New Zealand's got me?
I was great? Where is that now? I tell you? Nowhere?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, tell me I'm wrong? Hey, Ray,
what have you got for us?
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Ray?
Speaker 10 (24:59):
Here it go good?
Speaker 14 (25:02):
I'm probably going to say what a lot of people
would like to hear that there. That team is about
as close to New Zealand as the McLaren McLaren Formula
One team is. And I think it's probably time you
want to all yourself around the world and go and
get anyone else to pay for the big bucks. Going
to give them naming rights. You'll probably get even more money.
(25:23):
You'll be happy then.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'm not arguing with you here and we and we
proudly look to the McLaren name, but what he's about
McLaren anymore? Nothing? At least they've gone back to Papa.
Speaker 14 (25:36):
Daniel or the team. Put your name here, you know,
because be fear.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
I'm not a.
Speaker 14 (25:42):
Huge sailing fan, but I'd always watched it. I won't
now and it seems to me that that Sale GP
is a winner.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Okay, So what's the difference between the America's Cup and
Sale GP. That means you won't watch America's Cup but
you will watch Sale GP. What is the defire?
Speaker 14 (26:00):
I don't watch a lot, but I do. I will
look in to see how it's going.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
I've got a.
Speaker 14 (26:05):
Side and trust if you will, because it's exciting and
it's real, and it's.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Here, and it's here and you feel an engagement because
it's part of it. When you go along to the
docks and you see the boat that represents news Land,
you know it does.
Speaker 14 (26:25):
To be sure, I'm a contemporary annoyed that council stuff
that one up, But that's all right, awkward still down
the road.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, And let's face it, that's what councils are there for.
The complicators, I don't know, just running through the complicator
and see what happens for bad move don't ask them. Hi,
end he's going brother, it's gone goody And what's on
your mind? What I was going to.
Speaker 13 (26:52):
Say was like, do you realize that continues now and
now is going through like a new design rigg with
a slip back mass and still retaining his dows that
and doing fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I don't know anything about the future of the
America's Cup. How come you.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
Also this is on the scene, thought.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'm sorry, I and I've lost you there. We're just
going to move on. Hi, Mike, how are you?
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (27:24):
Hi? Mate?
Speaker 11 (27:25):
For me being being a fan of the team overrides
anything else, you know, whether they're competing in Auckland or
in Spain. I think it's just I always back all
the key we teams no matter what, and they've been
hugely successful. You know, we've got the best sailor's, best
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yacht designers and that should be celebrated. I don't think
it's a good thing to try to bring it down
and say, oh, you know he's taking it away and
all that. I don't think that's good for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I think we haven't brought them down, They've done it. Themselves.
Speaker 11 (28:08):
There's nothing wrong with playing an away game. It's the
same with rugby. You don't get a home game every time.
You've got to spread it around and you alone.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
No, Mike, you do get home games. We don't get
anything out of it.
Speaker 11 (28:23):
We've had quite a few home games already. There's a
lot of countries that compete. We're never going to get
it shot at.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Home because we won it and you win it, and
the prize of winning it is defending it at home.
Now we win it, we never get to see it again.
There's no home game.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
I saw the last one that was incredible.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
On the TV.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
They were all in the middle of the night.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
I bought a.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Home game, Mike. That's not a home game. It's not.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
But it's our team mate, you're missing the whole nationhood home.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
How is it our team.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
Because because they stayed here, they have New Zealand all
over their their logos, so they're mostly Kiwi's.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
There's a lot of key Wes involved, Grunted and they've
got sponsorship from all over the globe and they're focused
on that. I don't feel as attached to this team
as I do with the sale GP teams, but that's okay.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
I love them and I'll always beck every Kiwi team
and I reckon you should too, Mike.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Thank you very much for your call, because I have
no problem. What I'm saying is that America's Cup has lost,
It's gripped and it's grasped on New Zealand sports fans
because there is no home games, and I think people
are sick of the narrative and the government though that's
like we're in a bar of it. It was like, oh,
he's grint again with his handout whatever. They're losing it
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and they're losing us fast again. The Sailors. I love
the technology, I love the event's cool, but not on
the other side of the world. In the middle of
a night for a defense here was it. Caller rung
up the four and said, obviously didn't sign a contract,
but we'll give you all this money. But if you wouldn't,
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you got to stay here. Oh that's a given, isn't it.
Twenty one minutes to eight o'clock. This is Sports Talk
on Newstalk ZB.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Good Nut.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Seventeen minister eight Sports Talk here on News Talks CB
eight hundred eighty ten eighty ninety nine two is the
text line. If any of your texts coming in, I'll
try and get to some of them, but I'd rather
talk to people like Andrew Hi.
Speaker 12 (30:53):
Hi, yeah, Hi Hi.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It's just on the America's Cup. I came here in
two thousand of a boat builder in a x yo
and all the America's Cup just to have a look around.
And I'm still here. So I really loved the place
and it's such a beautiful hardor and it's just built
for it, really, But I do feel being a bit
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unfair to Grant Dalton and what he has achieved with
the team, because it's no easy task to win that
and to develop those boats, and the way they have
just the t foils and the whole foiling team is
quite amazing. I mean, they really deserve a lot of credits.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I've got no doubt about that at all. But what's
the basic tenant of the America's Cup?
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah, I see how you You know, we all wanted
to come back here, and we all wanted them to
keep it here next time. But from from sailing around
the med and and across to various places and talking
to the people when it was on here who are
over there and they were really following it. So the
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sport was really tapering off because because we were winning
it so much. You know, at some point you've got
to generate the the interest and the income for the
sports and from.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Jeopardys thing is the word you're looking for. What we've
got here, though, You've got a situation where it's so
hard to win, so hard to mount a challenge. It's
in such rare fight here. It's almost distant itself from
what and when you look to something like sale GP,
which has got amazing technology, it feels real and it
feels like it's here and they represent us. I think
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people are really detected. I think the good will's gone
with our team New zeal on the barble. I don't
think they don't feel part of it anymore.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
The America has got some more of a development and
a technological race, and whereas sale GPS absolutely amazing to
watch and they're short races and they're just absolute machines.
And you've got each nation so that that's a wonderful
thing in itself, and I completely understand why the government
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didn't want to put the money forward. I don't think
that people have the appetite through it. Here, and it's
just before an election, so it's bad timing and we've
got we've got a lot of debts to pay off,
a lot of issues. So I can see why why
it's that way. But I do feel that here has
been a bit rough on what that team have achieved,
because it's absolutely not only did they do the win
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the America's Come, but they built the Woman's America's Cup
and the Junior America's Cup and the E E Racing
as well, and they pulled all that off. And the
number of people who are interested in it now and
the amount of attention they've got it would would be
I think it's more just a case of the numbers.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Liked it, it's too expensive to do it over here,
and they don't want to keep it like that. But Angel,
we don't have a call coming in, so I just
have to let you go there. But people feel I
don't think that disenfranchised, alienated, They don't feel like the
boat or the team represent them. And someone's texted And
no difference to the All Blacks going to Hong Kong,
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Brennan's huge difference. The All Blacks go to Hong Kong
and play the old game they play a lot of
games back here. How long that lasts I don't know,
but they are ours dares. If Joe Parker wins another
world title, will he bring it home and defend his zellen? No,
he'll take the Saudi money and defend it over there. Yeah,
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probably will. But the basic tenet of world heavyweight boxing
is you don't defend your belt at home. These Island's
passion with America's Cup is being belt on that. Hey, Maverick,
how are you.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Very good?
Speaker 9 (34:58):
Else?
Speaker 15 (34:59):
During that roughly twenty years ago, when we used to
see sales on the deck looking that they got talent
on top of the mast and pin in the main
seats and trimming the.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Sales, you're talking about proper sailing.
Speaker 15 (35:16):
I'm talking about I'm talking about sailing.
Speaker 16 (35:20):
Now.
Speaker 15 (35:20):
Now it's all technology driven, and it's all about computer technology,
which quite frankly, if I can say this, kisses me off.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
So it's got so far away from how it started.
You no longer feel any compassion to water because it's
not what you started watching.
Speaker 15 (35:41):
No, no, no, I still love the innovation that a
kiwis bring to the cup. And now right up the
top of the ladder, yep, but they will come point
in time, not in the two distant future of my opinion,
and I hope I'm wrong, where the Americans or the
Chinese or somewhere in Europe they'll come up with an
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AI AI program that will just brow us out the water.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
And it's not sailing.
Speaker 15 (36:09):
It's money and technology. So what the hell of we
allowing to happen?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, when we're not allowing, we're just watching it. It's
gone beyond. It's flown too close to the sun. You
can see the wax dripping off from now. It's it's
a difficult one, Maverick, thanks very much for your call.
It's twelve minutes to eight coming up next near Wagner
joins the program. Retired today from New Zeeland first class
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cricket by winning that pie.
Speaker 17 (36:37):
Good yeal you go son, Yeah, seven fifty one Sports
talk on News Talk z B.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Away from the sailing, Let's go now to kneel Wagner.
I can say it because I believe it. One of
New Zealand's fast bowling grates retired from first class cricket
today in New Zealand. For this team Northern Districts. They
went to Otagu. It's Neil's old team and picked up
the Blanket Shield. Awesome, well done.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
Good evening, Neil, good evening mate. How you going?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I'm not as good as you. What a way to
finish a splendid New Zealand career the Blanket Shield the
first time is Northern's done it and I don't know
how long, and you do it in your home away
from home Otarga. You can't write scripts like this, Neil Man.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Now it's very special. It's as amazing how it's gone
gone through his full circle.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
I guess obviously.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
From starting my career for Targo against Sandia and they
play for India.
Speaker 16 (37:43):
Against the Target in the Oval and to you know,
obviously play for Blunket Shield and to be able to
win it. This, yeah, as as good as it gets made.
It's an absolute fairy tire ending. Cann't ask me any better?
And nice to be unable to contribute and play roll.
Speaker 9 (37:58):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Dare I say it? You would have the same energy
and controlled aggression going into that game as you went
into your first Plunket Shield match, even if it was
was it even called the plunket Chield back then, Neil, No,
it was stage shield.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
My first year, I think, and it's sort of quite
confusing because I think some of the stats and things
are staying as I guess state Shield and once it's.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
Mean too Plunket shield. I think it sort of changed
after that, So a little bit.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Confusing ot this and that seems, but it's nice that
it's again, you know, the Plunket shield the way it
should be and the history and I think everything evolved
of it. It's it's pretty special. I think when you
when you know, got to give us a group start
of season, it's the first trophy I guess that you
sort of took on the list of you're trying to
aim and wanting to achieve and accomplish and just.
Speaker 16 (38:43):
Bloody proud and glad that we've we've been managing and
be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I said, you'd bring the same energy to the start
of that fixture as you did way back in the day.
And I think that's one of the hallmarks of your career, Neil.
It doesn't matter what is going on, you are going
full noise, one hundred and ten percent. You won't stop. Relentless.
As a phrase we could use for your career, nothing's
since the first time I interviewed. I don't know how
(39:09):
long ago to right here right now. You've maintained that
enthusiasm and that focused aggression.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
How do you do that?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
It's the will and the ones, mate, I guess, the
I guess might never matter in a big way. Yeah,
I'm fitting nine years old and getting in the older
sort of side.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
But you want to want to achieve things?
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Do you want to do things the love of the game,
I guess, and being around it and still wanting to
achieve things.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
I guess as the motivation and the.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Drive, the people around you and all those sort of
things there to it. So yeah, I mean, yeah, it
was a really pleasing way to do it. I knew
I was going to enter the tank, I guess in
these last two games. Give it absolutely everything, try and
try and do that and achieve it, and just body.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
Glad I've got that opportunity to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
So you picked up what a fifer in the second innings,
managed to smash yourself some runs as well. There reasonably
our quick time kind of set up for you. You'll
make jeet Ravelsaga, get in there and have a swing
you miles and enjoy the end of this all.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
Yeah, between him and b J. It's quite nice.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
It's funny I started my first last career I think
a soca as.
Speaker 9 (40:14):
An eye watchman up your order.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Everybody thought I was a top all a bat when
they put the scorecard and to fit you nicely, I
guess at the top of the order.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Again.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
It's quite nice to finish it that way, is It
was quite nice for them to say, hey, strapping mind
mate and going to have a bit of a dip
in a crack.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
Very pleasing. So just nice to contribute made.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
That's one thing I've always wanted to do since I've
set foot on the cricket fields. Find ways of winning
games and playing a role and putting your hand up
and times.
Speaker 9 (40:43):
Good stuff and something I've always.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Done and bloody glad I you know, go that same
sort of way and hope for people. I just remember
you for what you've done in the way you play
the game.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I got a question for you after some conversations in
the office. You remember the infamous ajs ptel team work
at bag How could you not they didn't want to
bowl you during that series because of course the angle
you bowl. I mean, there'll be huge footmarks everywhere for
the spinners to bowl out of. If they have thrown
you the ball, would you have bowled the entire game
(41:15):
around the wicket.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
But I'll do whatever the team needs for me.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
That's always what I've done, and the person I am
is you know, it's the team first.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
For me.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
It's not about the individual and what they need. If
they come down and say, hey, we want you to
do this, I'll do it. So whatever case in scenario results,
it's it's it's not up to you. It's a team
sport and ultimately it is there's some bigger pictures around
it and people I guess that make the sort of
calls and you gotta respect it. So whatever gets thrown
my way, I just taking the go over and say yes,
(41:47):
please help me do what you needed.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
The right call is your call on eighty Sports Talk
call on your home of sports US Talk ZB Neil Wagner.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
The full interview is online News Talks, EB, dot co,
dot m Z. He's a left armor and he leaves
massive footmarks so they don't let them bowl, and predictably
you go around the look at the whole time. I
don't care. I just want to play. Does want to bowl?
Top bloke someone's texting and Wags is a true champion
(42:21):
and stands for all that is key with news. A
lot of America's Cup text a lot. There's still a
lot of passion out there for the America's Cup. Got
to say a lot of it's and you know, two
thirds of it's quite negative, but then there's a third
of it that's very positive. The America's Cup should change
(42:45):
format to be like F one, an event that goes
to several ports over the year. The boats can be
getting updated. That's called sale GP.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
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