April 4, 2025 • 10 mins
The Black Caps will finish their home summer without the services of top-order batsman Mark Chapman.
Chapman has been ruled out of tomorrow's final ODI against Pakistan at Bay Oval with a hamstring injury.
He was also forced out of game two in Hamilton.
Tim Seifert, who was called in to replace Chapman ahead of the second game, will stay with the squad.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be ill to you Ken Rutherford. Darcy always a
pleasure mate.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Great to have you on board. As we look at
the career, whether it's ended or not, not entirely sure,
but tomorrow I suppose off actually marks the last game
in charge for Gary Stead. I suppose first question is
when you look back at his career, where does he sit?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Look He's done well. I'm sure his achievements will stand
the test of scrutiny, Darcy, won't they? And I think
over the last couple of years, when you look at
the way cricket has evolved at that level and the
fact that, like so Trent Bolt and others have decided
to sort of taken more independent route around contracts and
stuff like that, the fact that Steed Stead and his
(00:55):
cohorts will be able to retain a really strong performance
with a lot of new players coming and going. Darcy,
I think that's probably been a really testing kind of
twelve to twenty four months has Stead the last couple
of years, and he's come through looking pretty good. I mean,
this Pakistan series is probably a fair indication of the
strength and depth that all of a sudden New Zealand
(01:17):
cricket does seem to possess.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It has to be very flexible as a coach in
this brave new world because of the decisions that New
Zealand cricket keep making, and they are sensible ones to
keep up with the play with franchise cricket. But if
they haven't got a coach who understands and buys in,
there's no point is there. So plainly he's been part
and party to this advance And of the course.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You spot on and I think what you've seen the
way international cricket evolve over the last two years is
probably going to be nothing to the way it might
continue to evolve over the next two to three to
five years. See I think certainly written reading between the lines,
and I think Cam Williamson was quite a during the week,
we might see international cricket similar to international soccer, international football,
(02:04):
given windows where international games are played around club competitions
or in cricket's case, the franchise competitions that are happening
around the world with ever increasing frequency. So you're right.
For administrators, it's about being flexible, agile, pretty up to
date sort of words, modern words those Darcy.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm still young, Ken, give me a break. I'm only
in the fifties exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
An instead of example of a current cricket coach at
international level who does have to be, you know, to
have a malleable approach Darcy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
One of the hallmarks of his career you probably said
the same when he was opening the batting and tweaking
as well, is that he's a very calm individual and
I think seems to Ruffler's feathers. He doesn't overreact or underreact.
That is what he is, and I think having a
hand on the tiller like that in cricket especially is
goal for the team because you can have rotten matches
(03:02):
and rotten series. But it never seems to bother him.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, it doesn't. He's got a fairly implacable kind of demeanor,
isn't He just to just get some with things and
doesn't seem to suffer from the ups and downs that
more volatile characters may may suffer from. Look, I think
he's been helped by a very strong, experienced corps of
players over the full tenure of US as a time
(03:27):
of New Zealand coach Darcy he's had a number of
well New Zealand greats to draw and hasn't it really
And I think he's given them the reins to kind
of run the side to some extent, to a large extent,
and it's not really the way it was back and
back in my day, but potentially when the coach kind
of took control and you know, Bob Kunis was out
(03:47):
there with the warm ups and was telling you what
to do and you know, hollering out orders. That's not
the modern day a way. I think it's the modern
day coaching ways to very much put the responsibility for
a large part of the team's fortunes in the hand
of the in the hands of the players myselves, and
instead's been pretty good at delegating.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That it might be the end of an era when
it comes to a coach who actually coaches three different
varieties of the game. He said success at T twenty
semi final time, sorry, final time. He's had success with
that dreaded One Day International against England back in the day,
and of course in the World Test Championship. And he's
(04:26):
still doing all three now. That is unusual.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It is unusual, and in the same way that we're
seeing the players kind of become specialized in one or
two of the of the three codes of the game,
if you like. I think we're seeing the coaches as
well be very selective in terms of their areas of expertise.
And look, we don't really know, do we instead is
(04:50):
going to look to continue in some capacity or not.
But I think what we are pretty sure of is
that there will be a more multiple look to the
coaching staff at New Zealand Cricket than Pepster has been
in the past. You might have an overarching manager of
the coaches if you like, but I think the two
is a personnel on the ground T twenties fifty over
(05:12):
or test matches. You're going to see a group of
coaches used rather than ones that are taking center stage.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
When you talk about being malleable, and this is something
New Zealand Cricket can to proven they can do so
to give someone the role as director of cricket for example,
over all three it wouldn't be a surprise. You talked
about consistency in selection and this goes to the players.
It now also goes with the coaching of the side.
(05:41):
There very much is a line that has followed, I'd
expect with this the succession plan is probably in place.
That's what's been happening recently. Is that still the right
way to go? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I think it probably is. I think, you know, it's
a good kind of a source of encouragement for young
coaches coming through our system, the New Zealand Crickets them
the same way that for a young player to play
for the Black Caps or for the White Ferns, it's
it's it's nice to to to play provincial cricket knowing
(06:16):
that perhaps you've got a chance of playing international cricket
one day. And for our coaches it should it should
have followed that that's the same kind of encouragement and
motivation that they are receiving. So I think it sounds
a really good signal out to the likes of Peter
Forden could be on the short list, couldn't he? Just
as one example, b J Whitling could even be on
the short list having just won the Plunket Shield for
(06:36):
Northern Districts and those guys, I'm sure we'll be in
discussions and they deserve to be And I think it
sounds a good signal out and I think I think
the other fact we have to be conscious of, Darcy
is that for a lot of the top class international
coaches now they've already got gigs around the world, haven't they.
So internationally wise, who you're going to get that is
(06:59):
going to be any better than what we've got currently
here in our shores.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well, you look at Luke Ronke, who's obviously played at
the highest level for them Caps, and he's been there
or thereabouts for quite some time, so almost seamless. Should
they give him the nod?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, it's a it's a really good name that you've raised,
the Luke and he's been involved. Look, it wasn't so
long ago. He was a member of the playing team
under under Bretain McCullum and Mike Hessen. It hadn't seen
too many heinikens a go quite frankly does. But you know,
he's he's been engaged in the game. He's well regarded
and knows very well regarded by his players. So he
(07:36):
could easily step up now whether he wants to do
as we spoke in a few moments ago, whether he
wants to do the whole three codes or not, he
probably could. He's capable of doing I'm sure, but I'm
pretty sure he's got a young family and other things
go on in his life, so he might, you know,
they might piece off the T twenties for him and
to do and he gets something else involved in the tests,
in the in the fifty over game. Who knows, but
(07:58):
he's certainly going to be a name who's going to
be the top of considerations.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You'd like to think. So in another way, this works really well.
Gary Stead. He came under the pump but a criticism
when he had pre planned time off like I'm going
on holiday now, it doesn't matter what's going on. It
happened to coincide with a pretty dreadful time for New
Zealand cricket and he stood by his guns. I mean, no,
I need this. And he's given other coaches on New
(08:22):
Zealand Cricket I have over the years time to actually
run the show, time to be the coach of the time.
So that's really helped give these guys the confidence and
the energy as he stood down and said, you have
a cracket, so they're easing it in.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and look, I was probably one of those of
the time because I do recall that and I may
have been asked by someone like yourself to speak on
air about a Darcy and I was probably of a
more prehistoric view, but the modern day way is very
much it's not just about the results, it's about, you know,
looking after people in their well being, et cetera. So
(09:02):
it's good that he did stick to his guns at
the time, and their New Zealand crickworth fully of them.
It's it's the way we are now in terms of
looking after folk, and it's it's the way it should be.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
And it's helped with the guys who took the reins
while he was having arrest because they understand what it's
like at that top level. So it all works really well.
He's not retired yet. I hate to say he's going
to walk away, because I've got a feeling he might
stick around for a while. I know what the one
highlight of his career that I'll look back on. Have
you got the same?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Will that be the test chambanship would have be come on? Can?
Of course it would be have to be? Would it
have to be?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Look?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
He said, But that's only the one highlight. I mean,
I think when I'm going to look back and if
he does, if he doesn't continue. We you know, we've
probably been presumptuous here Darcy and looking back at some
of the memories, but I really do think he's done
well to just to keep the ship going a good direction,
a good strong direction, and he's blooded a lot of
the good players, the players who have turned out to
(09:58):
be really good criders for New Zealand. And the momentum
is there. It's been guarded over a period since Ben
McCallum probably took over in twenty th with Mike Hesson,
and there's been very very few dips over the last
twelve years and news on cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And if there have been, I'm not even going to
talk about it because there has been so many bumps
up and that's the nature of international cricket. Mate, you
can't win everything, as you well know, Ken love talking
cricket to you, mate, Thanks so much for joining us
here on ZB.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Have a good one, Darcy.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Thank you For more from Sports Talk, listen live to
News Talk zed B from seven pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be ill to you Ken Rutherford. Darcy always a
pleasure mate.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Great to have you on board. As we look at
the career, whether it's ended or not, not entirely sure,
but tomorrow I suppose off actually marks the last game
in charge for Gary Stead. I suppose first question is
when you look back at his career, where does he sit?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Look He's done well. I'm sure his achievements will stand
the test of scrutiny, Darcy, won't they? And I think
over the last couple of years, when you look at
the way cricket has evolved at that level and the
fact that, like so Trent Bolt and others have decided
to sort of taken more independent route around contracts and
stuff like that, the fact that Steed Stead and his
(00:55):
cohorts will be able to retain a really strong performance
with a lot of new players coming and going. Darcy,
I think that's probably been a really testing kind of
twelve to twenty four months has Stead the last couple
of years, and he's come through looking pretty good. I mean,
this Pakistan series is probably a fair indication of the
strength and depth that all of a sudden New Zealand
(01:17):
cricket does seem to possess.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It has to be very flexible as a coach in
this brave new world because of the decisions that New
Zealand cricket keep making, and they are sensible ones to
keep up with the play with franchise cricket. But if
they haven't got a coach who understands and buys in,
there's no point is there. So plainly he's been part
and party to this advance And of the course.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You spot on and I think what you've seen the
way international cricket evolve over the last two years is
probably going to be nothing to the way it might
continue to evolve over the next two to three to
five years. See I think certainly written reading between the lines,
and I think Cam Williamson was quite a during the week,
we might see international cricket similar to international soccer, international football,
(02:04):
given windows where international games are played around club competitions
or in cricket's case, the franchise competitions that are happening
around the world with ever increasing frequency. So you're right.
For administrators, it's about being flexible, agile, pretty up to
date sort of words, modern words those Darcy.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm still young, Ken, give me a break. I'm only
in the fifties exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
An instead of example of a current cricket coach at
international level who does have to be, you know, to
have a malleable approach Darcy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
One of the hallmarks of his career you probably said
the same when he was opening the batting and tweaking
as well, is that he's a very calm individual and
I think seems to Ruffler's feathers. He doesn't overreact or underreact.
That is what he is, and I think having a
hand on the tiller like that in cricket especially is
goal for the team because you can have rotten matches
(03:02):
and rotten series. But it never seems to bother him.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, it doesn't. He's got a fairly implacable kind of demeanor,
isn't He just to just get some with things and
doesn't seem to suffer from the ups and downs that
more volatile characters may may suffer from. Look, I think
he's been helped by a very strong, experienced corps of
players over the full tenure of US as a time
(03:27):
of New Zealand coach Darcy he's had a number of
well New Zealand greats to draw and hasn't it really
And I think he's given them the reins to kind
of run the side to some extent, to a large extent,
and it's not really the way it was back and
back in my day, but potentially when the coach kind
of took control and you know, Bob Kunis was out
(03:47):
there with the warm ups and was telling you what
to do and you know, hollering out orders. That's not
the modern day a way. I think it's the modern
day coaching ways to very much put the responsibility for
a large part of the team's fortunes in the hand
of the in the hands of the players myselves, and
instead's been pretty good at delegating.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That it might be the end of an era when
it comes to a coach who actually coaches three different
varieties of the game. He said success at T twenty
semi final time, sorry, final time. He's had success with
that dreaded One Day International against England back in the day,
and of course in the World Test Championship. And he's
(04:26):
still doing all three now. That is unusual.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It is unusual, and in the same way that we're
seeing the players kind of become specialized in one or
two of the of the three codes of the game,
if you like. I think we're seeing the coaches as
well be very selective in terms of their areas of expertise.
And look, we don't really know, do we instead is
(04:50):
going to look to continue in some capacity or not.
But I think what we are pretty sure of is
that there will be a more multiple look to the
coaching staff at New Zealand Cricket than Pepster has been
in the past. You might have an overarching manager of
the coaches if you like, but I think the two
is a personnel on the ground T twenties fifty over
(05:12):
or test matches. You're going to see a group of
coaches used rather than ones that are taking center stage.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
When you talk about being malleable, and this is something
New Zealand Cricket can to proven they can do so
to give someone the role as director of cricket for example,
over all three it wouldn't be a surprise. You talked
about consistency in selection and this goes to the players.
It now also goes with the coaching of the side.
(05:41):
There very much is a line that has followed, I'd
expect with this the succession plan is probably in place.
That's what's been happening recently. Is that still the right
way to go? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I think it probably is. I think, you know, it's
a good kind of a source of encouragement for young
coaches coming through our system, the New Zealand Crickets them
the same way that for a young player to play
for the Black Caps or for the White Ferns, it's
it's it's nice to to to play provincial cricket knowing
(06:16):
that perhaps you've got a chance of playing international cricket
one day. And for our coaches it should it should
have followed that that's the same kind of encouragement and
motivation that they are receiving. So I think it sounds
a really good signal out to the likes of Peter
Forden could be on the short list, couldn't he? Just
as one example, b J Whitling could even be on
the short list having just won the Plunket Shield for
(06:36):
Northern Districts and those guys, I'm sure we'll be in
discussions and they deserve to be And I think it
sounds a good signal out and I think I think
the other fact we have to be conscious of, Darcy
is that for a lot of the top class international
coaches now they've already got gigs around the world, haven't they.
So internationally wise, who you're going to get that is
(06:59):
going to be any better than what we've got currently
here in our shores.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well, you look at Luke Ronke, who's obviously played at
the highest level for them Caps, and he's been there
or thereabouts for quite some time, so almost seamless. Should
they give him the nod?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, it's a it's a really good name that you've raised,
the Luke and he's been involved. Look, it wasn't so
long ago. He was a member of the playing team
under under Bretain McCullum and Mike Hessen. It hadn't seen
too many heinikens a go quite frankly does. But you know,
he's he's been engaged in the game. He's well regarded
and knows very well regarded by his players. So he
(07:36):
could easily step up now whether he wants to do
as we spoke in a few moments ago, whether he
wants to do the whole three codes or not, he
probably could. He's capable of doing I'm sure, but I'm
pretty sure he's got a young family and other things
go on in his life, so he might, you know,
they might piece off the T twenties for him and
to do and he gets something else involved in the tests,
in the in the fifty over game. Who knows, but
(07:58):
he's certainly going to be a name who's going to
be the top of considerations.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You'd like to think. So in another way, this works really well.
Gary Stead. He came under the pump but a criticism
when he had pre planned time off like I'm going
on holiday now, it doesn't matter what's going on. It
happened to coincide with a pretty dreadful time for New
Zealand cricket and he stood by his guns. I mean, no,
I need this. And he's given other coaches on New
(08:22):
Zealand Cricket I have over the years time to actually
run the show, time to be the coach of the time.
So that's really helped give these guys the confidence and
the energy as he stood down and said, you have
a cracket, so they're easing it in.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and look, I was probably one of those of
the time because I do recall that and I may
have been asked by someone like yourself to speak on
air about a Darcy and I was probably of a
more prehistoric view, but the modern day way is very
much it's not just about the results, it's about, you know,
looking after people in their well being, et cetera. So
(09:02):
it's good that he did stick to his guns at
the time, and their New Zealand crickworth fully of them.
It's it's the way we are now in terms of
looking after folk, and it's it's the way it should be.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
And it's helped with the guys who took the reins
while he was having arrest because they understand what it's
like at that top level. So it all works really well.
He's not retired yet. I hate to say he's going
to walk away, because I've got a feeling he might
stick around for a while. I know what the one
highlight of his career that I'll look back on. Have
you got the same?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Will that be the test chambanship would have be come on? Can?
Of course it would be have to be? Would it
have to be?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Look?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
He said, But that's only the one highlight. I mean,
I think when I'm going to look back and if
he does, if he doesn't continue. We you know, we've
probably been presumptuous here Darcy and looking back at some
of the memories, but I really do think he's done
well to just to keep the ship going a good direction,
a good strong direction, and he's blooded a lot of
the good players, the players who have turned out to
(09:58):
be really good criders for New Zealand. And the momentum
is there. It's been guarded over a period since Ben
McCallum probably took over in twenty th with Mike Hesson,
and there's been very very few dips over the last
twelve years and news on cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And if there have been, I'm not even going to
talk about it because there has been so many bumps
up and that's the nature of international cricket. Mate, you
can't win everything, as you well know, Ken love talking
cricket to you, mate, Thanks so much for joining us
here on ZB.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Have a good one, Darcy.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Thank you For more from Sports Talk, listen live to
News Talk zed B from seven pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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