April 8, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Warren Lees - Former Blackcaps Coach - On Gary Stead stepping down from white ball teams
John Bracewell - Former Blackcaps Coach
Talkback - Do NZ Cricket need to have multiple coaches across the three formats?
Hoskins Sotutu - Blues and All Blacks Flanker
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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lots of you around the next appointment from New Zealand
Cricket and Coaching. We had a white ball bet, a
dual white ball bet, a jew white ball, single red ball,
beat all through the balls at the same time. Again
no idea and I don't think they know either, but
we'll take your thoughts on that after we hear from
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a couple of guests, and why not go to men
who have done it before? Warren Lees and John Bracewell,
two former Black Caps coaches, to talk to us about
the gap that it leaves. What has to happen now
with New Zealand Cricket and with Gary Stead one role
split roll walk out the door, all together role we'll
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find out from Lee's and Brace will shortly we'll wind
the program up with a better like we talk Hoskins,
so to Tou tou Blues and all black flanker playing
Minor PACIFICA this weekend after that? Could you call it
a gutsy? Could you call it an aggressive? Could you
call it a reasonably dull? The hell? They got the
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result anyway? Game against the Hurricane. I'm getting a nod
from executive producer Andy Duff. Look, you take the cookies,
but they weren't very tasty? Were they still? People with
the Blues are going No, they tasted fine to us.
That's how playing company cricketers a pile of you and
a rugby player as well. Before any of that, though
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it's indulged in this Sport today and in sport today,
will the freshly returned fullback Rubin Love get the chance
to take the Hurricanes out for a hon the keys
to the car? What's in on his back? Coach Clark
laidlaw with the insideline.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
He wants to take ownership of stuff. He wants to
know the why he wants to drive the team. There's
a lot of archributes of our traditional fush five, isn't it?
You know that it really wants to lead the team
and drive it, so we really enjoying that. But he
didn't have to have Town on his bark and started
towing to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Just flog the keys and do it you want. Supercar
pilot Matt Payne is are ready to do it for
JA this weekends. Rounding that Topor has the Jason Richards
Memorial Trophy up for grabs, a piece of silver that
all the Kiwi drivers want to get their hands on.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He was such a historic guy, did a lot for
the sports, so it's it would be huge achievement for
one of us to get it done. But it's three
races and we got to get through first, so it's
got to be tough. But I think we'll give it
our best shot.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Three races out of the weekend. In the Toepause X
and to Selflay is back and ready to cross the
asalias and anything else in his way this weekend as
he attempts to win himself a green jacket. Master's win
would also give him three out of four majors. He's
fresh back from a rib injury in coping with it.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I don't know if this there was like a grieving process,
but you know, I kind of dealt with it on
my own. I mean, like I said, I knew I
was going to come back and play. I just didn't
know when. And when it comes to golf, I feel
like I'm a kid. I just want to go out
and play golf and compete at a high level.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
When I was a kid, I didn't understand golf. And
I was like eight years old Cheerley golf cours, go
and hide in the marker carbi heages and when a
ball came and then I'd run across and grab it
and run to the the sit there under the mircro
carby Heage and hysterics of myself with these guys. Well,
I had no idea how incredibly awful that was. I
do not come from a golfing family. I apologize to
(04:10):
all that's finished now. Outgoing New Zealand Cricket high performance
boss Bryan Strike has told me today they're actually not
sure as to what they have to offer as they
throw Gary Stead's jobs to the hounds.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
We don't want to rule anything out when we're looking
at achieving that goal, really because we don't really know
what applicants will be thinking about who knows who could
be interested in the whole role, or part of the role.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Or none of the role at all. And that's the
sport today. So what do we need. Let's get into
this now with former Black Caps test coach mister Warren
Wally Lees. So Gary stepping down as coach the white
ball teams. Does he stay on? Should there be a
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split role? How does this work? Welcome to the program?
Should maybe Gary just walk away and hand it all over?
Speaker 7 (05:04):
No, I'm not. I actually I don't know.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
But he carries on with the red ball I know
that the load he's carried over an awfully long time,
and changing captains and changing assistant coaches and going on
extensive tools and trying to fit in some time with family,
it weighs heavily on you in the end. And I
can see why the program coming up in the next
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year would be pretty difficult for him to continue. But
the red ball game, there's not a lot of red
ball cricket in the next year. Three home games to
a quick tour to Zimbabwe for two Tests. It's about
all I can find. And I think he's got a
pretty good rapport with some of the senior players, and
as we're turning over some new players at the moment
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and possibly in the immediate future, I think it'd be
good to have Gary Steed just around for a little
bit longer with the red ball.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't want I'm out.
I was just trying to fire you up. Warren le
only one and one's the World Test Championship and then
defeats India in there backyard three knel. Frankly, they can
take as long as they want to make their mind up, right, Well, I.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
Think so, And I think I think he's been one
of those coaches who's a little bit of the old
old fashioned mold.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
He hasn't sought the limelight.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
You never saw him dancing around after they beat him
during that s You never saw him seeking the media
or he would answer the questions if ask. He's a quiet,
unassuming type. He knows to be in the background. And
I think he does an awful lot of work working
around the staff he's got these days. Sometimes you wonder
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about the coaching role because I don't know they directly
do a lot of coaching with a lot of individuals.
Because there's a lot of as a bowling coach, as
a fielding coach. There's a slip catching coach, there's a
batting So I think the job is more of a
man management role and I think he's done that particularly well.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You gets someone else to come and do white ball.
Maybe they want to do read ball. I don't know,
But is it a good idea to run two different
coaches for a couple of versions of the national sport.
It's not an unusual idea. It's been done globally. Will
that work here in New Zealand?
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Well, in the past, I don't know that it would
have because we didn't have such a big group of players.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Possibly in the past only had I don't.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Know, sixteen or seventeen players that we could pick from,
there'd be one or two thrown into the white ball
games against the lesser countries, I guess. But these days
we've got an awful lot of players who have played
for the New Zealand and New Zealand teams twenty fifty
and Test match cricket, and we've probably got twenty six
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players and we could pick any team any eleven from
any of those twenty six players.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
So I don't.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
Think it's that important to have someone looking over that
both versions of the game. I think that, as I
said before, the workload is possibly a little bit too
heavy for family people, and therefore you've got to break
that up, and I think that's one of the ways
of doing it. I think it's quite possible that it
works with most other teams now. And also we've got
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senior players who played both versions of the game, and
therefore they sort of equal out the fact that an
experienced player, an experienced coach.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
May not be there. So no, I think it's fine
to have a white ball coach and a red bull coach.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Is there an issue if you bring someone else completely
new and who's not been involved the likes of your
Jacob Aram and Craig McMillan's been there, done that. You've
got Luke Ronky in there, you bring a new set
of eyesen Would that be a positive or that cause
an issue with you in your happy family? Because the
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Otago Voltz coach the form one anyway, Rob Walts, he's
left the South African side and his name apparently is
up in lights right now. With that good thing or
a disturb into.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
The force underneath it all.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
In all, this discussion about the Ronkeys and the Wattlings
and the Orans and the Fulton's and times you could
come up with. And I rate all of those players,
by the way, and probably his coaches as well. But yeah,
I think there's a bit more behind the Rob Walter thing.
The fact that he went back and took over the
South African role. By the sound of it, family still
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here in New Zealand, and now he's resigned.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
From the South African job.
Speaker 8 (09:26):
Well, it's hardly a surprise if he comes back and
takes over the white ball team. It sort of looks like,
if you read between the lines, it was almost like
a plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if that happened
if he came back. That he knows the people I've
already mentioned, he knows the people who are around that team.
He's obviously has an extensive record coaching, and he wouldn't
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have got the South African job which is recently held,
had he not had good references from his past position.
So I should imagine he's the favorite right now to
take over the white ball coaching staff, not as White
Bull coach, but to actually take over the coaching staff
of the White ball team.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's one and least. Former black Caps test kerch of
his thoughts on where to now for New Zealand cricket
the black Caps the coaching role white ball, red ball.
We don't play that abomination pink ball cricket anymore, do we?
Only the Aussies that insist on going through with that
tasteless right, Let's move to another head coach now, another
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former black Caps head coach, John Bracewood. He joints now
talk about the same essue whether MJ Cricket should be
for chasing Stead's chasing someone else's Did they even know
what they're doing? John? Welcome to the program. What do
New Zealand Cricket need to do with Gary Stead here?
Speaker 9 (10:49):
Well, I think continuity has been the secret of the
success of both Mike Kessen and Gary Stead.
Speaker 10 (10:59):
One.
Speaker 9 (10:59):
The players around them are the intellect that they're built
up within, the side, the way they've managed those sides,
it's the way they've selected those sides. The only downside
of the Mike Hessen thing was he then shifted towards
the franchise world, where we've got a whole heap of
talented coaches. But they are unobtainable and unaffordable. Gary Stead
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is a guy that I believe we need to make
sure that we keepers intellect and the continuity of the
system that they've developed, which is player intellect and player
readiness available to us. And when I say player readiness,
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I think the Duffies, the Chapman's, the youngs who spent
a lot of time on the bench. Immediately coming off
the bench and succeeding and performing is a real reflection
on how this New Zealand coaching group prepare players, and
we need to make sure part of.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That would be a lean toward possibly a role a
director of coaching or something like that that hovers above
everything else in that situation, then other coaches work their magic,
but with him overseeing it all, will that be out
of the question.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
Well, you've got to remember that Brian Stronik, who has
been the high performance director for quite some time, has
now left his position, so there's a vacancy there and
an opportunity to turn that turned or tweak that a
little bit to almost the English model where you've got
Key as the director of cricket and people like Brenda
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McCullum and whoever work under him, and for him inside
their plans. And I think that Gary Stead is then
that IVDAL position. And one of the reasons I say
that is because you've got to remember that Gary Stead
has been in the high performance coach realm out at
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Lincoln for quite some time. He had the women's he's
been part of their high performance development program, so he's
actually come through everything that's done in that program anyway,
so he has a real insight into what needs to
be provided to produce top class crickets at a high
performance level. But he has that understanding of the modern
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game of franchise the franchise world, and the franchise world
is just not the IPL anymore. How he's managed to
keep the Caine Williamson's and people like that still involved
but not taking contracts, I think has been a wonder
and he should be congratulated for how he's managed those
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guys because it's so easy to just pack up your
bags and go franchising.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So the structure of the coaching, how would that work though?
Would it be one overseeing several Would you still give
a job as a coach to a white ball coach
to one player and one as a red bull coach?
Does the structure have to be or overhauled.
Speaker 9 (14:14):
Well, I think Gary's practiced that anyway, because they've given
them time off from time to time, and other coaches
have run small campaigns, as have captains. So it's not
just coaches, it's their captains and their leaders as well
that they've managed. I think with somebody administering over the top,
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then it allows you to have that continuity of the
Luke Ronkeys and people like that to become either the
white ball coach or the twenty twenty coach or a
campaign coach. Jacob Borham's coming through. You've also got your
Peter Fulton's and your PJ Wattling's emerging. And you remember
that the last two and our most successful coaches have
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been New Zealand coaches coming through our programs, Mike Hessen
and Gary Stead. We don't need overseas coaches inside New Zealand.
Our program works really really well, are available, give them
the opportunity have somebody who understands the program and understands
the international game and the international climate more in particular
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overseeing that and allow those guys underneath that to be
able to grow as coaches.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
hundred news talk.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
As clear as tricky. All this gets more confusing as
time goes on. Just bear with me. I'll explain in
a second. That was John Bracell a form of black
Caps head coach with his thoughts. Before that, Warren Lee's
form of black Caps test coach was his thoughts on
where to go now. Basic question for you all out there.
Should New Zealand actually have multiple coaches across those three formats?
(16:00):
That's if you dilute it right the way down to
the bottom. Should they have multiple coaches? Is that actually necessary?
Don't know if they can afford it. I don't know
if that even comes into the equation. What gets me
around this is listening to Brian Stronik, who's the well
soon to be departing high performance manager of New Zealand Cricket.
(16:25):
It seemed very vague what New Zealand Cricket actually want
and the way they're handling this transferral of power. And
we know that the cricket landscape has been odd as
an understatement of the last few years, with franchise cricket
rolling over top of everything, New Zealand cricket been very
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nimble when it comes to dealing with the cricketers and
their contracts and the coaches and so on and so forth.
Maybe too much so, so what we've got is a
situation here where Gary Steed doesn't want to be white
ball coach anymore, so he's dropped that, but he's unsure
if he wants to be red ball coach, so he's
going to hang around for a bit. So as a
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direct result and his z elland Cricket are looking for
they don't know what. They don't know where. They're looking
for a white ball coach, a white and a red
bull coach, a double white ball coach. They're looking for
an overlord of international man's cricket. They're looking for an advisor,
a consultant. They actually don't know. And I think that
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that's setting themselves up for failure. I think that if
you're Brian Stronik, if you're Scott Weening, you're up the
top gig and we need to be have a defined process.
We need to know what we want, because all I'm
hearing now is oh, well, we'll listen to ride and
see what they have to say and we'll kind of
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build something around them. Is that a bit a bit
vague for you? I get the feeling. I love what
Gary Stead done. That Gary Stead should have said, I'm retiring,
I'm Gonela, thanks for everything, clear cut, because he doesn't
know what he wants. He doesn't know what he wants,
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and then he's on cricket don't know what they need
to do, and then the upcoming coaches is uentirely sure
what they're extually applying for anyway. See, it's a mess.
We don't think out of such muddy waters you're going
to get any clear direction at all, So that concerns me. Instead,
you should have just guessed that walked. I've done it.
(18:37):
I'm out on a high, an amazing job. I've really
enjoyed it. I've got to stay at home. I'm out
of this. I don't want to know about it anymore.
And then you get your next coach, multiple coaches. I'm
not entirely happy with that. And this is where I'd
like you to come in as well. Do we need
multiple coaches across three? For me, we don't play enough cricket,
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do we? And whan he test matches? To we play
this season? Two sessions? And when it comes to the
one day version, the T twenty version, we're to throw
any old coach in the hell, haven't over each it's
what we've been doing. Nope, we don't need multiple coaches
across three formats. It's wasteful. It's scattered gun, which is
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not unlike what this application process is looking to me.
Now lines are open. I'm tired of having my say,
Time for you to have yours. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty multiple coaches across three formats? Should New Zealand
Cricket be looking toward that? I think no they shouldn't.
They need to have a more defined idea about what
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success looks like and how they're going to get that way,
because to me, she's a bit popgun of the dark
right now. Sorry, guys, love your work. It's not feeling
a confidence though. What about you? Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty call now seven twenty six Hoskins stutu up
before eight lovely, come.
Speaker 11 (20:06):
On, deliver us from your head.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Forget the riffs.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Call you make a call on eighty eighty.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks It bald.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
U nine Sports Talk on News Talks heb eight hundred
eighty ten eighty lines are open. Multiple coaches, multiple coaches
for the black Caps that were needed, required, wanted. Is
it a good idea? I'm not sure that New Zealand
Cricket though. Right now I'll give them this. They're honest. Wow,
you know, send in your applications and we'll see how
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it works. Oh here, you'll do or you want to
do the Oh aka, fine, Gary, he's still there. It's
got a telephone now, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
get eight Allen, how are you?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Good?
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Good?
Speaker 12 (21:00):
Good? I the idea of multiple coachure you mentioned earlier
about the coach being more of a man manager than
a technical coach, and the players say space going into
a Test match would be totally different than going into
two into a T twenty match, and so from that
point of view, it suggest different coaches for the different
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types of game would be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So look, I'm not saying I've never played an international level.
I don't know, but the amount of times these players
seem to singlessly switch between T twenty one day International
and Test cricket does that really even matter anymore? The
format they're playing? They know what they have to do.
They know what they're doing. I don't know how much
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coaching comes into their man management.
Speaker 12 (21:53):
It's about getting in the close games that getting as
little one or two percent things by you know what
I mean, in a close contest, and that's where a
good coach or good man manager adds to the team.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
They'd set them up so they know what they're going
to do. Because you notice Scary Steed isn't really in
the ears or write up people when they're going on.
It's very cool, calm in the background.
Speaker 12 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Do they have to I may well be wrong, Allen.
I'm just interested in what you think around this. Does
does it really matter? Are they the ones that make
those decisions that are key those one percentage?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (22:33):
Just put lolf coach rugby teams and just talking to
different players at different times. It's just a little you know,
you're living together and just making them feel good about themselves,
you know what I mean, and then getting them out
the headspace to you know, like I would have made
some tea twenty thick it as well. You know, you're
out the high PhDe up before you go just match rugby.
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You place stuff a lot more.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So their coach has got a lot to do with
that attitude when they go out there. But if the
players can change, though, why can't they coach changeing. Okay,
this is what we've got. This is a game of
T twenty cricket. I know how to push your buttons.
I've been coaching you through everything, and this is what
we're going to do. So surely one person who's seen
all of the players in three different formats would have
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a much better idea about how to get the best
out of them.
Speaker 12 (23:22):
Maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe not. I don't know. I'm only
suggesting would be a good reason.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, that's idea. I don't know at all. I'm not
the fountain of all knowledge. I'm interested in what other
people have to say. Thanks for sharing, mate, you have
a great night. Thank you. It is twenty seven minutes
to eight or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, so
I don't know at all. Long time listeners will definitely
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agree with that. But I do wonder when you've got
a different coach for three different formats and the application
of skills across all formats is going to be markedly different.
But does that require a different coach to bring the
best skills out in the player. When you think that
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the players play across a number of formats, like we
haven't got enough players to have a sole T twenty
one day I and Tessa we don't. I'm not a
lot of good players now. But they play right across
all formats. So why can't the coach do the same thing.
Surely they know how to push buttons of players that
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they're dealing with in a test situation as they do
in a T twenty situation that they're man manages. And
I get that it's exhausting and it's a long way
away from home, and it's not very glamorous in you
constantly in a queue and going through customs and blah
blah blah. But that's the job, right That doesn't come
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as a surprise. This is what an international coach does.
You travel around coaching. Cricket Executive producer Andy Duff. I've
been talking about this all day as as you predictably,
would you know what you have to do so to
(25:16):
do it? Why are there any complaints around this? But
it's like me going, oh, you know, I don't know
I signed up for this job being on the radio
and it's great fun. You know. I've got to sit
in the same place for an hour every day and
talk into a microphone. It's killing me. I need a break.
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Love you, Gary Stead, love what you've done, Love the results.
Not a prouder key with there is. But I don't
know about this operation and the way you're leaving the
national side. And I think that New Zealand Cricket, well,
they've given you the strength to do this, because I'm
not quite sure how to find day are either. Let's
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have a listen now to the outgoing High Performance Director
of New Zealand Cricket, Brian stroke.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
As I said, we've got to get the best coach
or coaches for the athletes now that we're really open
minded around what that can look like at the moment
and what's the best for the environment and what's the
best for the athletes and what's the best for the
New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
We're not set on what that is right now, and
so it could be with Gary doing that being the
test coach, or it could be without. The big thing
for us I keep coming back to is that we
just want the best for the environment right now and
we're not one hundred percentual what exactly that looks like,
because we're not one hundred percent sure of what the
potential coaches out there are looking for or want in
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this role, so we want to keep an open mind
or out that about that.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You congratulate Brian Stroke for thinking like it's New Zealand cricket,
But for me, it's it's confusion. It's shades of gray
and not the fun shades of gray. Eh, it's a
bit flippant. It's a bit like what we don't know whatever?
Look a sea. Now maybe he should have waited a
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month and gone, Well he's gone now we know what
we're after. But I appreciate the transparency from New Zealand Cricket.
They're not lying to us. They know that they don't
know what they want or what they should know. Let's
run through a couple of texts for Darcy. If you're
a coach of a national team, you have to accept
you're not going to be at home a lot. It's
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part of a job he paid to do. It gets
too much and it's time to move on with someone else.
Take over, Steve precisely, thank you, go on Darcy instead,
didn't win the Test Championship. The players did, he was
absolutely blessed or top class line of world class players.
Sally was there three years too long and he didn't
have the balls to let him go. I don't know
what the mechanics are of that decision with Saudi. I
(27:59):
think too long. But as he can't say that about
Gary Stead. Yeah, he coached that Test Championship team, packed
them up from here, and he was there seven years
later when they rolled into it in their own backyard
three Test series with a whole lot of different players.
So I will resist and push back on anyone that
says that StEB was on the coattails of others.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He's gone through a very tricky time. He's developed strength
a lot of positions. He's been fantastic for his Zeland cricket.
But I don't like the way he's leaving. Just feels funny,
not funny, ha ha, funny, weird. And finally, you can't
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call having three coaches as much bear three specialized coaches
and three and more mans is better than one coach
average overall three, but Michael, it's just confusion. Then they're everywhere.
Cook's broth two and many twenty two away from coming
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up next, Hoskins, So let's talk about our super duper
rugby here on sports.
Speaker 13 (29:13):
To Christy asking if it's time and Gus Gardness who
as it is? He kicks it over the touch and
the Blues hang on by one grove.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It was a win. It was the points, right, it's
the main thing. And I suppose even though it wasn't
the most you didn't celebrate when you watch that game.
Is that a nice way to put it? But from
a Blues fan, there was tension right from a rugby
and there was tension. You're not always going to have
a wide open, crazy display of flinging the ball out
(30:03):
wide au. You're going to have tension when it's close.
Say yeah we'll take that. Yeah, that's not so bad.
They're playing more one Pacific coad this weekend. Huge Hoskins
Stitutu joins us now to talk about what happened over
the weekend and what may or may not happen coming
up on Saturday night. Hoskins, gooda, are you well? Are
(30:30):
you recovered from the weekend?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Man?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
You put a power of work and didn't you for
that victory over the Hurricanes? That was hard yards.
Speaker 14 (30:37):
Yeah, yep, just about recovered for the for the game,
so you're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Attitude of yourself and the rest of the pack. You
knew exactly what you wanted to do. How happy with
you with the execution of what you got up to?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (30:50):
I think it's a bit of a building on a
building block and we want to go. I think over
the other couple of weeks, we and I sort of
fell a bit short, and we're quite accurate. So get
the results in the end.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What does then say to you about what he needs
needs you to do? Because what you've you come back
a couple of weeks ago, you had to buy then
you got this, so you're fully back into the swing
of it. What does he want now?
Speaker 14 (31:15):
He just wants me to get busy. He wants me
on the ball, and uh yeah, I think the mic
ands and I set myself in the game and it
will help help us.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You're playing up against the Majuana team that are telling
the bounce. Now they'll be feeling full of confidence. I'd
suggest with the team like that, full of confidence is
probably quite scary, isn't Oskins?
Speaker 14 (31:36):
Yeah, we're seeing everyone's seen how good they've been going
past couple of weeks.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
Yeah, we know.
Speaker 14 (31:43):
I'm they're dangerous when they get the tails up there,
so you always need to make sure we look after that.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, you're back to the wall when it comes to results.
You've got to keep on winning. Does that add extra
to the team. It's almost like this is the the fumes,
the gas that you need to really propel you forward.
Now you're under all of us pressure.
Speaker 14 (32:01):
Yeah. Yeah, obviously we didn't make it easy for ourselves games.
So yeah, like these last couple these last eight games
or so, we need to make sure we give as
much points as we can to person the best spot
at the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You're probably sick of this question, but I'll do it
anyway because with the bloody media, any conversations with Scott
robertson around possibility of getting back into the All Blacks again.
Speaker 14 (32:26):
I haven't in the conversations with him.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You team died to ring him up. I've got his number.
Speaker 14 (32:33):
I think I think he's got my number as well.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So not only you be looking at you know, your
work around the park, your defensive side, I expect is
probably quite apparent after what happened. Is that still a
big thing for you.
Speaker 14 (32:47):
Well, I always just try to be solid on both
sides of the ball, and after last year, I just
want to make sure that I am still working on
that and I'm not taking any backwards steps and on
either side. So I think I just want to.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Read you the other day you were just fully focused
on the Blues. You anything beyond that's out of your control.
There's war of this gossip around hey are you going overseas?
Are you leaving New Zealand? But for you one job.
Speaker 14 (33:14):
Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly that I'm just well, yeah, focused
on Hairblues right now. We need to get some wins
to win the comps. So yeah, it's my small focus
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Rest of the team, how are they being dealing with
the fact that's been a slow old season for some
games that you probably should have won but you didn't.
That's super Rugby Pacific this year though, she's very tight.
How are they dealing with this progress?
Speaker 14 (33:38):
Yeah, I think the whole team. The whole team is
learning as as we're going on, Like it's a bit
of a different sort of take them on this year,
like results but adversity by Yeah, it's going to make
us better in the long run.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's changed dramatically from last year? Because you had that
outrageous run you you ended up with the title happy Days.
You've got to pick that away now because it's that
was yesterday. But well, what's changed as far as the
team is concerned. What's not quite clicked? Are we askings?
Speaker 14 (34:07):
I think we could sort of put it down to
our own We're giving away way too many penalties, which
is leading teams into into our half and they're able
to convert the points. So when you look after that
ourselves and then when we get opportunities, we're just on
the skill execution to drop balls and mispasses and stuff
like that. So yeah's just it's actually just down to
(34:28):
the individual and we're working on that.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
How sorry, Hoskins, how do you train to not get
penalized her process?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
There?
Speaker 14 (34:39):
No, Well, the penalities that we're giving away, like just
the off sides, like just simple things like that. It's
just taking an extra step. So yeah, that's just individual era.
So we're all really hopping on about every week, so
hopefully we can make a change.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's personal discipline. So if you apply that and you
keep behind and your mind, your p's and queues. Everything
should right itself. So good to hear that everybody's on
the same wavelength.
Speaker 14 (35:08):
Yeah yeah, so and the boys are the boys leadership
coopers are driving it. So yeah, you can turn this
into a few few dubs on our own.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
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Speaker 2 (35:31):
Hoskins Stu to they're ahead of the Blues game against
Morna Pacifica, which is coming up this week in for
the five is the kickoff. Essentially, it's a curtain raiser
for the Opiki final. It's the Blues women up against Matatu.
Conversations there around the timing of that final and the
timing of the Blues game up against Mowana maybe a
(35:54):
discussion for another day. A celebration of rugby at Eden
Park on a Saturday. And I'll keep going back to it,
even though the game didn't film, me with joy got
the points and really that's all these games are all about.
You can't be flamboyant all the time. Although someone tell
it to Milana who in the second half. Here we
(36:14):
go again, right, let's get away from baby, let's get
back to cricket again, and we're gonna get back with
Brian Stronik shortly. Brian is the retiring High Performance director
for New Zealand Cricket. He can give us an idea
about what New Zealand Cricket want out of the next coach.
I don't think they know hm find out more. Brian
(36:39):
up next here on News Talk zb.
Speaker 14 (36:50):
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Speaker 11 (36:56):
And no my BB songle and you're just like my
BB song and no.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Moment eight minutes to wait sports book on News Talks
There b Marx Lash with Marx last nights on up
after eight through til at midnight tonight. High performance man
out of New Zealand Cricket, Brian Strikes. He's off, his
time is done and one of the last things he's
(37:27):
doing is talking to the media around what happens next
with Gary Stead, the outgoing Black Caps coach. Outgoing in
the white ball, maybe not in the red ball, and
we'll find that out. So, Brian, what is the timeline
with you and New Zealand Cricket and Gary Stead?
Speaker 6 (37:46):
No real time definitions around that, but because we want
to give him that time to think that through them
and it's been an incredibly busy time lately, and he
doesn't want to make those decisions while he's tired either,
And then we've got to think about the structure that
we need going forward. So really those those two things
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combined will work that through. But we feel like we
owe it to Steady to the with the job he's
done for us, to give him a little bit of
time to work that through and get freshened up a
little bit before he makes that call.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Nah, I'm with him and now he's an amazing thing.
He's been a fantastic coach. But this is all a
bit open ended, a bit like you know, in your
own good time. Do they really need to Brian, have
you been having any conversations with mister Steed.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yeah, definitely. These are ongoing conversations that never stopped. Really,
they kind of start when you first start in a
role like this and they're ongoing until the decision's made. So,
I mean, Gary's very open that talking about I suppose
the pressures of the role, and we're very open around
saying what we need out of the role. So it's
been it's been a conversation Gary and I and cricket
(38:59):
I've had forever, really, and then it just comes to
a point when you're having those conversations so often that
it's the right thing by him in this case to
step down from these roles and keep his mind open
around the red ball piece.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
They don't sound like precise conversations to me. They sound
just a bit let flappy, don't they really. I'm unsure
but playing he doesn't want the job anymore, and yeah,
like he's tired and he's had a long time in it.
But you leave, you leave. I don't think this is
a little reckless from Gary and from New Zealand cricket too.
(39:34):
You know, make a decision, run with it, let it go.
I just get this the stick sense of what the
actual Hey, Alan, how are.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
You he got evening?
Speaker 14 (39:46):
Darcy?
Speaker 10 (39:47):
I think you sound like you're a bit sort of
abps tonight getting stuck into Gary Stead Maybe well I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Getting stuck into him, I'm am just like I just
this decision is just odd. I mean, you know, I
don't agree that. I don't understand what they're trying to do.
Speaker 10 (40:02):
What's the decision, Darcy?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well, he it's not going to be the white ball
coach anymore. But he doesn't really know if he wants
to be the red ball coach anymore. So he's going
to like sit around and wait and in the meantime
they're going to try and find a coach, but they
don't know what the coach is going to be. Where
it's going to be white ball or red ball and
white ball.
Speaker 10 (40:20):
So you know, I agree with your dusk one hundred percent.
If he's sitting on the fence, I mean he needs
to set up. You know, that's I agree, that's not right.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Thanks for that, Allen. Well not I'm being unreasonable, I'll Hasten.
I love what Gary Stead has done. I'm a huge
fan of Gary Stead. You hit any in my opinion
pieces about him times, you know, you know I think
he's made mistakes. We all have. New Zealand Cricket have
been amazing to deal with this brave new world. But
(40:56):
I just find this all a bit fluffy blood edges everywhere.
There's nothing precise about what I'm hearing from New Zealand
Cricket or we should be concerned. Don't you think they've
known for long enough that Gary Stead was going to
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leave eventually. He's already been significking WAT twice more. And
you've had plenty of time to see what's going on.
You've got all the coaches you want. They're everywhere, I
mean overseas coaches don't know where they're at at the moment, granted,
but you don't want them. They're too expensive. We need
New Zealand coaches to understand New Zealand. You've had all
of this time to work out a feasible, a workable,
(41:42):
a manageable and ultimately successful transition plan, and you haven't
done it, have you? Oh he's leaving. What are the
next I don't know, I asked John, who I got
no idea? Should we just throw it out for a tender?
Speaker 7 (42:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Good idea? What if Gary wants to keep his job?
If you asked him, yeah, did he answer? No? What
timeline on this? I don't know? Sorry, guys, Thanks for producing,
Andy Duff, thanks for listening, thanks for calling, Thanks for texting.
I'm Darcy Watergrave. Goodbye.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
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lots of you around the next appointment from New Zealand
Cricket and Coaching. We had a white ball bet, a
dual white ball bet, a jew white ball, single red ball,
beat all through the balls at the same time. Again
no idea and I don't think they know either, but
we'll take your thoughts on that after we hear from
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a couple of guests, and why not go to men
who have done it before? Warren Lees and John Bracewell,
two former Black Caps coaches, to talk to us about
the gap that it leaves. What has to happen now
with New Zealand Cricket and with Gary Stead one role
split roll walk out the door, all together role we'll
(01:30):
find out from Lee's and Brace will shortly we'll wind
the program up with a better like we talk Hoskins,
so to Tou tou Blues and all black flanker playing
Minor PACIFICA this weekend after that? Could you call it
a gutsy? Could you call it an aggressive? Could you
call it a reasonably dull? The hell? They got the
(01:51):
result anyway? Game against the Hurricane. I'm getting a nod
from executive producer Andy Duff. Look, you take the cookies,
but they weren't very tasty? Were they still? People with
the Blues are going No, they tasted fine to us.
That's how playing company cricketers a pile of you and
a rugby player as well. Before any of that, though
(02:11):
it's indulged in this Sport today and in sport today,
will the freshly returned fullback Rubin Love get the chance
to take the Hurricanes out for a hon the keys
to the car? What's in on his back? Coach Clark
laidlaw with the insideline.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
He wants to take ownership of stuff. He wants to
know the why he wants to drive the team. There's
a lot of archributes of our traditional fush five, isn't it?
You know that it really wants to lead the team
and drive it, so we really enjoying that. But he
didn't have to have Town on his bark and started
towing to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Just flog the keys and do it you want. Supercar
pilot Matt Payne is are ready to do it for
JA this weekends. Rounding that Topor has the Jason Richards
Memorial Trophy up for grabs, a piece of silver that
all the Kiwi drivers want to get their hands on.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He was such a historic guy, did a lot for
the sports, so it's it would be huge achievement for
one of us to get it done. But it's three
races and we got to get through first, so it's
got to be tough. But I think we'll give it
our best shot.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Three races out of the weekend. In the Toepause X
and to Selflay is back and ready to cross the
asalias and anything else in his way this weekend as
he attempts to win himself a green jacket. Master's win
would also give him three out of four majors. He's
fresh back from a rib injury in coping with it.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I don't know if this there was like a grieving process,
but you know, I kind of dealt with it on
my own. I mean, like I said, I knew I
was going to come back and play. I just didn't
know when. And when it comes to golf, I feel
like I'm a kid. I just want to go out
and play golf and compete at a high level.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
When I was a kid, I didn't understand golf. And
I was like eight years old Cheerley golf cours, go
and hide in the marker carbi heages and when a
ball came and then I'd run across and grab it
and run to the the sit there under the mircro
carby Heage and hysterics of myself with these guys. Well,
I had no idea how incredibly awful that was. I
do not come from a golfing family. I apologize to
(04:10):
all that's finished now. Outgoing New Zealand Cricket high performance
boss Bryan Strike has told me today they're actually not
sure as to what they have to offer as they
throw Gary Stead's jobs to the hounds.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
We don't want to rule anything out when we're looking
at achieving that goal, really because we don't really know
what applicants will be thinking about who knows who could
be interested in the whole role, or part of the role.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Or none of the role at all. And that's the
sport today. So what do we need. Let's get into
this now with former Black Caps test coach mister Warren
Wally Lees. So Gary stepping down as coach the white
ball teams. Does he stay on? Should there be a
(04:56):
split role? How does this work? Welcome to the program?
Should maybe Gary just walk away and hand it all over?
Speaker 7 (05:04):
No, I'm not. I actually I don't know.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
But he carries on with the red ball I know
that the load he's carried over an awfully long time,
and changing captains and changing assistant coaches and going on
extensive tools and trying to fit in some time with family,
it weighs heavily on you in the end. And I
can see why the program coming up in the next
(05:29):
year would be pretty difficult for him to continue. But
the red ball game, there's not a lot of red
ball cricket in the next year. Three home games to
a quick tour to Zimbabwe for two Tests. It's about
all I can find. And I think he's got a
pretty good rapport with some of the senior players, and
as we're turning over some new players at the moment
(05:50):
and possibly in the immediate future, I think it'd be
good to have Gary Steed just around for a little
bit longer with the red ball.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't want I'm out.
I was just trying to fire you up. Warren le
only one and one's the World Test Championship and then
defeats India in there backyard three knel. Frankly, they can
take as long as they want to make their mind up, right, Well, I.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
Think so, And I think I think he's been one
of those coaches who's a little bit of the old
old fashioned mold.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
He hasn't sought the limelight.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
You never saw him dancing around after they beat him
during that s You never saw him seeking the media
or he would answer the questions if ask. He's a quiet,
unassuming type. He knows to be in the background. And
I think he does an awful lot of work working
around the staff he's got these days. Sometimes you wonder
(06:43):
about the coaching role because I don't know they directly
do a lot of coaching with a lot of individuals.
Because there's a lot of as a bowling coach, as
a fielding coach. There's a slip catching coach, there's a
batting So I think the job is more of a
man management role and I think he's done that particularly well.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You gets someone else to come and do white ball.
Maybe they want to do read ball. I don't know,
But is it a good idea to run two different
coaches for a couple of versions of the national sport.
It's not an unusual idea. It's been done globally. Will
that work here in New Zealand?
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Well, in the past, I don't know that it would
have because we didn't have such a big group of players.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Possibly in the past only had I don't.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Know, sixteen or seventeen players that we could pick from,
there'd be one or two thrown into the white ball
games against the lesser countries, I guess. But these days
we've got an awful lot of players who have played
for the New Zealand and New Zealand teams twenty fifty
and Test match cricket, and we've probably got twenty six
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players and we could pick any team any eleven from
any of those twenty six players.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
So I don't.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
Think it's that important to have someone looking over that
both versions of the game. I think that, as I
said before, the workload is possibly a little bit too
heavy for family people, and therefore you've got to break
that up, and I think that's one of the ways
of doing it. I think it's quite possible that it
works with most other teams now. And also we've got
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senior players who played both versions of the game, and
therefore they sort of equal out the fact that an
experienced player, an experienced coach.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
May not be there. So no, I think it's fine
to have a white ball coach and a red bull coach.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Is there an issue if you bring someone else completely
new and who's not been involved the likes of your
Jacob Aram and Craig McMillan's been there, done that. You've
got Luke Ronky in there, you bring a new set
of eyesen Would that be a positive or that cause
an issue with you in your happy family? Because the
(08:49):
Otago Voltz coach the form one anyway, Rob Walts, he's
left the South African side and his name apparently is
up in lights right now. With that good thing or
a disturb into.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
The force underneath it all.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
In all, this discussion about the Ronkeys and the Wattlings
and the Orans and the Fulton's and times you could
come up with. And I rate all of those players,
by the way, and probably his coaches as well. But yeah,
I think there's a bit more behind the Rob Walter thing.
The fact that he went back and took over the
South African role. By the sound of it, family still
(09:22):
here in New Zealand, and now he's resigned.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
From the South African job.
Speaker 8 (09:26):
Well, it's hardly a surprise if he comes back and
takes over the white ball team. It sort of looks like,
if you read between the lines, it was almost like
a plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if that happened
if he came back. That he knows the people I've
already mentioned, he knows the people who are around that team.
He's obviously has an extensive record coaching, and he wouldn't
(09:50):
have got the South African job which is recently held,
had he not had good references from his past position.
So I should imagine he's the favorite right now to
take over the white ball coaching staff, not as White
Bull coach, but to actually take over the coaching staff
of the White ball team.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's one and least. Former black Caps test kerch of
his thoughts on where to now for New Zealand cricket
the black Caps the coaching role white ball, red ball.
We don't play that abomination pink ball cricket anymore, do we?
Only the Aussies that insist on going through with that
tasteless right, Let's move to another head coach now, another
(10:31):
former black Caps head coach, John Bracewood. He joints now
talk about the same essue whether MJ Cricket should be
for chasing Stead's chasing someone else's Did they even know
what they're doing? John? Welcome to the program. What do
New Zealand Cricket need to do with Gary Stead here?
Speaker 9 (10:49):
Well, I think continuity has been the secret of the
success of both Mike Kessen and Gary Stead.
Speaker 10 (10:59):
One.
Speaker 9 (10:59):
The players around them are the intellect that they're built
up within, the side, the way they've managed those sides,
it's the way they've selected those sides. The only downside
of the Mike Hessen thing was he then shifted towards
the franchise world, where we've got a whole heap of
talented coaches. But they are unobtainable and unaffordable. Gary Stead
(11:23):
is a guy that I believe we need to make
sure that we keepers intellect and the continuity of the
system that they've developed, which is player intellect and player
readiness available to us. And when I say player readiness,
(11:45):
I think the Duffies, the Chapman's, the youngs who spent
a lot of time on the bench. Immediately coming off
the bench and succeeding and performing is a real reflection
on how this New Zealand coaching group prepare players, and
we need to make sure part of.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That would be a lean toward possibly a role a
director of coaching or something like that that hovers above
everything else in that situation, then other coaches work their magic,
but with him overseeing it all, will that be out
of the question.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
Well, you've got to remember that Brian Stronik, who has
been the high performance director for quite some time, has
now left his position, so there's a vacancy there and
an opportunity to turn that turned or tweak that a
little bit to almost the English model where you've got
Key as the director of cricket and people like Brenda
(12:47):
McCullum and whoever work under him, and for him inside
their plans. And I think that Gary Stead is then
that IVDAL position. And one of the reasons I say
that is because you've got to remember that Gary Stead
has been in the high performance coach realm out at
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Lincoln for quite some time. He had the women's he's
been part of their high performance development program, so he's
actually come through everything that's done in that program anyway,
so he has a real insight into what needs to
be provided to produce top class crickets at a high
performance level. But he has that understanding of the modern
(13:31):
game of franchise the franchise world, and the franchise world
is just not the IPL anymore. How he's managed to
keep the Caine Williamson's and people like that still involved
but not taking contracts, I think has been a wonder
and he should be congratulated for how he's managed those
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guys because it's so easy to just pack up your
bags and go franchising.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So the structure of the coaching, how would that work though?
Would it be one overseeing several Would you still give
a job as a coach to a white ball coach
to one player and one as a red bull coach?
Does the structure have to be or overhauled.
Speaker 9 (14:14):
Well, I think Gary's practiced that anyway, because they've given
them time off from time to time, and other coaches
have run small campaigns, as have captains. So it's not
just coaches, it's their captains and their leaders as well
that they've managed. I think with somebody administering over the top,
(14:37):
then it allows you to have that continuity of the
Luke Ronkeys and people like that to become either the
white ball coach or the twenty twenty coach or a
campaign coach. Jacob Borham's coming through. You've also got your
Peter Fulton's and your PJ Wattling's emerging. And you remember
that the last two and our most successful coaches have
(14:59):
been New Zealand coaches coming through our programs, Mike Hessen
and Gary Stead. We don't need overseas coaches inside New Zealand.
Our program works really really well, are available, give them
the opportunity have somebody who understands the program and understands
the international game and the international climate more in particular
(15:23):
overseeing that and allow those guys underneath that to be
able to grow as coaches.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
hundred news talk.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
As clear as tricky. All this gets more confusing as
time goes on. Just bear with me. I'll explain in
a second. That was John Bracell a form of black
Caps head coach with his thoughts. Before that, Warren Lee's
form of black Caps test coach was his thoughts on
where to go now. Basic question for you all out there.
Should New Zealand actually have multiple coaches across those three formats?
(16:00):
That's if you dilute it right the way down to
the bottom. Should they have multiple coaches? Is that actually necessary?
Don't know if they can afford it. I don't know
if that even comes into the equation. What gets me
around this is listening to Brian Stronik, who's the well
soon to be departing high performance manager of New Zealand Cricket.
(16:25):
It seemed very vague what New Zealand Cricket actually want
and the way they're handling this transferral of power. And
we know that the cricket landscape has been odd as
an understatement of the last few years, with franchise cricket
rolling over top of everything, New Zealand cricket been very
(16:48):
nimble when it comes to dealing with the cricketers and
their contracts and the coaches and so on and so forth.
Maybe too much so, so what we've got is a
situation here where Gary Steed doesn't want to be white
ball coach anymore, so he's dropped that, but he's unsure
if he wants to be red ball coach, so he's
going to hang around for a bit. So as a
(17:09):
direct result and his z elland Cricket are looking for
they don't know what. They don't know where. They're looking
for a white ball coach, a white and a red
bull coach, a double white ball coach. They're looking for
an overlord of international man's cricket. They're looking for an advisor,
a consultant. They actually don't know. And I think that
(17:32):
that's setting themselves up for failure. I think that if
you're Brian Stronik, if you're Scott Weening, you're up the
top gig and we need to be have a defined process.
We need to know what we want, because all I'm
hearing now is oh, well, we'll listen to ride and
see what they have to say and we'll kind of
(17:53):
build something around them. Is that a bit a bit
vague for you? I get the feeling. I love what
Gary Stead done. That Gary Stead should have said, I'm retiring,
I'm Gonela, thanks for everything, clear cut, because he doesn't
know what he wants. He doesn't know what he wants,
(18:13):
and then he's on cricket don't know what they need
to do, and then the upcoming coaches is uentirely sure
what they're extually applying for anyway. See, it's a mess.
We don't think out of such muddy waters you're going
to get any clear direction at all, So that concerns me. Instead,
you should have just guessed that walked. I've done it.
(18:37):
I'm out on a high, an amazing job. I've really
enjoyed it. I've got to stay at home. I'm out
of this. I don't want to know about it anymore.
And then you get your next coach, multiple coaches. I'm
not entirely happy with that. And this is where I'd
like you to come in as well. Do we need
multiple coaches across three? For me, we don't play enough cricket,
(18:58):
do we? And whan he test matches? To we play
this season? Two sessions? And when it comes to the
one day version, the T twenty version, we're to throw
any old coach in the hell, haven't over each it's
what we've been doing. Nope, we don't need multiple coaches
across three formats. It's wasteful. It's scattered gun, which is
(19:22):
not unlike what this application process is looking to me.
Now lines are open. I'm tired of having my say,
Time for you to have yours. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty multiple coaches across three formats? Should New Zealand
Cricket be looking toward that? I think no they shouldn't.
They need to have a more defined idea about what
(19:44):
success looks like and how they're going to get that way,
because to me, she's a bit popgun of the dark
right now. Sorry, guys, love your work. It's not feeling
a confidence though. What about you? Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty call now seven twenty six Hoskins stutu up
before eight lovely, come.
Speaker 11 (20:06):
On, deliver us from your head.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Forget the riffs.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Call you make a call on eighty eighty.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks It bald.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
U nine Sports Talk on News Talks heb eight hundred
eighty ten eighty lines are open. Multiple coaches, multiple coaches
for the black Caps that were needed, required, wanted. Is
it a good idea? I'm not sure that New Zealand
Cricket though. Right now I'll give them this. They're honest. Wow,
you know, send in your applications and we'll see how
(20:49):
it works. Oh here, you'll do or you want to
do the Oh aka, fine, Gary, he's still there. It's
got a telephone now, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
get eight Allen, how are you?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Good?
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Good?
Speaker 12 (21:00):
Good? I the idea of multiple coachure you mentioned earlier
about the coach being more of a man manager than
a technical coach, and the players say space going into
a Test match would be totally different than going into
two into a T twenty match, and so from that
point of view, it suggest different coaches for the different
(21:22):
types of game would be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So look, I'm not saying I've never played an international level.
I don't know, but the amount of times these players
seem to singlessly switch between T twenty one day International
and Test cricket does that really even matter anymore? The
format they're playing? They know what they have to do.
They know what they're doing. I don't know how much
(21:50):
coaching comes into their man management.
Speaker 12 (21:53):
It's about getting in the close games that getting as
little one or two percent things by you know what
I mean, in a close contest, and that's where a
good coach or good man manager adds to the team.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
They'd set them up so they know what they're going
to do. Because you notice Scary Steed isn't really in
the ears or write up people when they're going on.
It's very cool, calm in the background.
Speaker 12 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Do they have to I may well be wrong, Allen.
I'm just interested in what you think around this. Does
does it really matter? Are they the ones that make
those decisions that are key those one percentage?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (22:33):
Just put lolf coach rugby teams and just talking to
different players at different times. It's just a little you know,
you're living together and just making them feel good about themselves,
you know what I mean, and then getting them out
the headspace to you know, like I would have made
some tea twenty thick it as well. You know, you're
out the high PhDe up before you go just match rugby.
(22:54):
You place stuff a lot more.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So their coach has got a lot to do with
that attitude when they go out there. But if the
players can change, though, why can't they coach changeing. Okay,
this is what we've got. This is a game of
T twenty cricket. I know how to push your buttons.
I've been coaching you through everything, and this is what
we're going to do. So surely one person who's seen
all of the players in three different formats would have
(23:19):
a much better idea about how to get the best
out of them.
Speaker 12 (23:22):
Maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe not. I don't know. I'm only
suggesting would be a good reason.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, that's idea. I don't know at all. I'm not
the fountain of all knowledge. I'm interested in what other
people have to say. Thanks for sharing, mate, you have
a great night. Thank you. It is twenty seven minutes
to eight or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, so
I don't know at all. Long time listeners will definitely
(23:49):
agree with that. But I do wonder when you've got
a different coach for three different formats and the application
of skills across all formats is going to be markedly different.
But does that require a different coach to bring the
best skills out in the player. When you think that
(24:10):
the players play across a number of formats, like we
haven't got enough players to have a sole T twenty
one day I and Tessa we don't. I'm not a
lot of good players now. But they play right across
all formats. So why can't the coach do the same thing.
Surely they know how to push buttons of players that
(24:30):
they're dealing with in a test situation as they do
in a T twenty situation that they're man manages. And
I get that it's exhausting and it's a long way
away from home, and it's not very glamorous in you
constantly in a queue and going through customs and blah
blah blah. But that's the job, right That doesn't come
(24:54):
as a surprise. This is what an international coach does.
You travel around coaching. Cricket Executive producer Andy Duff. I've
been talking about this all day as as you predictably,
would you know what you have to do so to
(25:16):
do it? Why are there any complaints around this? But
it's like me going, oh, you know, I don't know
I signed up for this job being on the radio
and it's great fun. You know. I've got to sit
in the same place for an hour every day and
talk into a microphone. It's killing me. I need a break.
(25:37):
Love you, Gary Stead, love what you've done, Love the results.
Not a prouder key with there is. But I don't
know about this operation and the way you're leaving the
national side. And I think that New Zealand Cricket, well,
they've given you the strength to do this, because I'm
not quite sure how to find day are either. Let's
(26:01):
have a listen now to the outgoing High Performance Director
of New Zealand Cricket, Brian stroke.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
As I said, we've got to get the best coach
or coaches for the athletes now that we're really open
minded around what that can look like at the moment
and what's the best for the environment and what's the
best for the athletes and what's the best for the
New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
We're not set on what that is right now, and
so it could be with Gary doing that being the
test coach, or it could be without. The big thing
for us I keep coming back to is that we
just want the best for the environment right now and
we're not one hundred percentual what exactly that looks like,
because we're not one hundred percent sure of what the
potential coaches out there are looking for or want in
(26:45):
this role, so we want to keep an open mind
or out that about that.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You congratulate Brian Stroke for thinking like it's New Zealand cricket,
But for me, it's it's confusion. It's shades of gray
and not the fun shades of gray. Eh, it's a
bit flippant. It's a bit like what we don't know whatever?
Look a sea. Now maybe he should have waited a
(27:13):
month and gone, Well he's gone now we know what
we're after. But I appreciate the transparency from New Zealand Cricket.
They're not lying to us. They know that they don't
know what they want or what they should know. Let's
run through a couple of texts for Darcy. If you're
a coach of a national team, you have to accept
you're not going to be at home a lot. It's
(27:36):
part of a job he paid to do. It gets
too much and it's time to move on with someone else.
Take over, Steve precisely, thank you, go on Darcy instead,
didn't win the Test Championship. The players did, he was
absolutely blessed or top class line of world class players.
Sally was there three years too long and he didn't
have the balls to let him go. I don't know
what the mechanics are of that decision with Saudi. I
(27:59):
think too long. But as he can't say that about
Gary Stead. Yeah, he coached that Test Championship team, packed
them up from here, and he was there seven years
later when they rolled into it in their own backyard
three Test series with a whole lot of different players.
So I will resist and push back on anyone that
says that StEB was on the coattails of others.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He's gone through a very tricky time. He's developed strength
a lot of positions. He's been fantastic for his Zeland cricket.
But I don't like the way he's leaving. Just feels funny,
not funny, ha ha, funny, weird. And finally, you can't
(28:45):
call having three coaches as much bear three specialized coaches
and three and more mans is better than one coach
average overall three, but Michael, it's just confusion. Then they're everywhere.
Cook's broth two and many twenty two away from coming
(29:06):
up next, Hoskins, So let's talk about our super duper
rugby here on sports.
Speaker 13 (29:13):
To Christy asking if it's time and Gus Gardness who
as it is? He kicks it over the touch and
the Blues hang on by one grove.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It was a win. It was the points, right, it's
the main thing. And I suppose even though it wasn't
the most you didn't celebrate when you watch that game.
Is that a nice way to put it? But from
a Blues fan, there was tension right from a rugby
and there was tension. You're not always going to have
a wide open, crazy display of flinging the ball out
(30:03):
wide au. You're going to have tension when it's close.
Say yeah we'll take that. Yeah, that's not so bad.
They're playing more one Pacific coad this weekend. Huge Hoskins
Stitutu joins us now to talk about what happened over
the weekend and what may or may not happen coming
up on Saturday night. Hoskins, gooda, are you well? Are
(30:30):
you recovered from the weekend?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Man?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
You put a power of work and didn't you for
that victory over the Hurricanes? That was hard yards.
Speaker 14 (30:37):
Yeah, yep, just about recovered for the for the game,
so you're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Attitude of yourself and the rest of the pack. You
knew exactly what you wanted to do. How happy with
you with the execution of what you got up to?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (30:50):
I think it's a bit of a building on a
building block and we want to go. I think over
the other couple of weeks, we and I sort of
fell a bit short, and we're quite accurate. So get
the results in the end.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What does then say to you about what he needs
needs you to do? Because what you've you come back
a couple of weeks ago, you had to buy then
you got this, so you're fully back into the swing
of it. What does he want now?
Speaker 14 (31:15):
He just wants me to get busy. He wants me
on the ball, and uh yeah, I think the mic
ands and I set myself in the game and it
will help help us.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You're playing up against the Majuana team that are telling
the bounce. Now they'll be feeling full of confidence. I'd
suggest with the team like that, full of confidence is
probably quite scary, isn't Oskins?
Speaker 14 (31:36):
Yeah, we're seeing everyone's seen how good they've been going
past couple of weeks.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
Yeah, we know.
Speaker 14 (31:43):
I'm they're dangerous when they get the tails up there,
so you always need to make sure we look after that.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, you're back to the wall when it comes to results.
You've got to keep on winning. Does that add extra
to the team. It's almost like this is the the fumes,
the gas that you need to really propel you forward.
Now you're under all of us pressure.
Speaker 14 (32:01):
Yeah. Yeah, obviously we didn't make it easy for ourselves games.
So yeah, like these last couple these last eight games
or so, we need to make sure we give as
much points as we can to person the best spot
at the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You're probably sick of this question, but I'll do it
anyway because with the bloody media, any conversations with Scott
robertson around possibility of getting back into the All Blacks again.
Speaker 14 (32:26):
I haven't in the conversations with him.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You team died to ring him up. I've got his number.
Speaker 14 (32:33):
I think I think he's got my number as well.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So not only you be looking at you know, your
work around the park, your defensive side, I expect is
probably quite apparent after what happened. Is that still a
big thing for you.
Speaker 14 (32:47):
Well, I always just try to be solid on both
sides of the ball, and after last year, I just
want to make sure that I am still working on
that and I'm not taking any backwards steps and on
either side. So I think I just want to.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Read you the other day you were just fully focused
on the Blues. You anything beyond that's out of your control.
There's war of this gossip around hey are you going overseas?
Are you leaving New Zealand? But for you one job.
Speaker 14 (33:14):
Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly that I'm just well, yeah, focused
on Hairblues right now. We need to get some wins
to win the comps. So yeah, it's my small focus
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Rest of the team, how are they being dealing with
the fact that's been a slow old season for some
games that you probably should have won but you didn't.
That's super Rugby Pacific this year though, she's very tight.
How are they dealing with this progress?
Speaker 14 (33:38):
Yeah, I think the whole team. The whole team is
learning as as we're going on, Like it's a bit
of a different sort of take them on this year,
like results but adversity by Yeah, it's going to make
us better in the long run.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's changed dramatically from last year? Because you had that
outrageous run you you ended up with the title happy Days.
You've got to pick that away now because it's that
was yesterday. But well, what's changed as far as the
team is concerned. What's not quite clicked? Are we askings?
Speaker 14 (34:07):
I think we could sort of put it down to
our own We're giving away way too many penalties, which
is leading teams into into our half and they're able
to convert the points. So when you look after that
ourselves and then when we get opportunities, we're just on
the skill execution to drop balls and mispasses and stuff
like that. So yeah's just it's actually just down to
(34:28):
the individual and we're working on that.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
How sorry, Hoskins, how do you train to not get
penalized her process?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
There?
Speaker 14 (34:39):
No, Well, the penalities that we're giving away, like just
the off sides, like just simple things like that. It's
just taking an extra step. So yeah, that's just individual era.
So we're all really hopping on about every week, so
hopefully we can make a change.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's personal discipline. So if you apply that and you
keep behind and your mind, your p's and queues. Everything
should right itself. So good to hear that everybody's on
the same wavelength.
Speaker 14 (35:08):
Yeah yeah, so and the boys are the boys leadership
coopers are driving it. So yeah, you can turn this
into a few few dubs on our own.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Hear it from the biggest names and sports men. Have
your say on eighty Sports Talk More on your home
of sports news Talk, Zippy.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Hoskins Stu to they're ahead of the Blues game against
Morna Pacifica, which is coming up this week in for
the five is the kickoff. Essentially, it's a curtain raiser
for the Opiki final. It's the Blues women up against Matatu.
Conversations there around the timing of that final and the
timing of the Blues game up against Mowana maybe a
(35:54):
discussion for another day. A celebration of rugby at Eden
Park on a Saturday. And I'll keep going back to it,
even though the game didn't film, me with joy got
the points and really that's all these games are all about.
You can't be flamboyant all the time. Although someone tell
it to Milana who in the second half. Here we
(36:14):
go again, right, let's get away from baby, let's get
back to cricket again, and we're gonna get back with
Brian Stronik shortly. Brian is the retiring High Performance director
for New Zealand Cricket. He can give us an idea
about what New Zealand Cricket want out of the next coach.
I don't think they know hm find out more. Brian
(36:39):
up next here on News Talk zb.
Speaker 14 (36:50):
How am I supposed to love somebody?
Speaker 11 (36:56):
And no my BB songle and you're just like my
BB song and no.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Moment eight minutes to wait sports book on News Talks
There b Marx Lash with Marx last nights on up
after eight through til at midnight tonight. High performance man
out of New Zealand Cricket, Brian Strikes. He's off, his
time is done and one of the last things he's
(37:27):
doing is talking to the media around what happens next
with Gary Stead, the outgoing Black Caps coach. Outgoing in
the white ball, maybe not in the red ball, and
we'll find that out. So, Brian, what is the timeline
with you and New Zealand Cricket and Gary Stead?
Speaker 6 (37:46):
No real time definitions around that, but because we want
to give him that time to think that through them
and it's been an incredibly busy time lately, and he
doesn't want to make those decisions while he's tired either,
And then we've got to think about the structure that
we need going forward. So really those those two things
(38:07):
combined will work that through. But we feel like we
owe it to Steady to the with the job he's
done for us, to give him a little bit of
time to work that through and get freshened up a
little bit before he makes that call.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Nah, I'm with him and now he's an amazing thing.
He's been a fantastic coach. But this is all a
bit open ended, a bit like you know, in your
own good time. Do they really need to Brian, have
you been having any conversations with mister Steed.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yeah, definitely. These are ongoing conversations that never stopped. Really,
they kind of start when you first start in a
role like this and they're ongoing until the decision's made. So,
I mean, Gary's very open that talking about I suppose
the pressures of the role, and we're very open around
saying what we need out of the role. So it's
been it's been a conversation Gary and I and cricket
(38:59):
I've had forever, really, and then it just comes to
a point when you're having those conversations so often that
it's the right thing by him in this case to
step down from these roles and keep his mind open
around the red ball piece.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
They don't sound like precise conversations to me. They sound
just a bit let flappy, don't they really. I'm unsure
but playing he doesn't want the job anymore, and yeah,
like he's tired and he's had a long time in it.
But you leave, you leave. I don't think this is
a little reckless from Gary and from New Zealand cricket too.
(39:34):
You know, make a decision, run with it, let it go.
I just get this the stick sense of what the
actual Hey, Alan, how are.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
You he got evening?
Speaker 14 (39:46):
Darcy?
Speaker 10 (39:47):
I think you sound like you're a bit sort of
abps tonight getting stuck into Gary Stead Maybe well I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Getting stuck into him, I'm am just like I just
this decision is just odd. I mean, you know, I
don't agree that. I don't understand what they're trying to do.
Speaker 10 (40:02):
What's the decision, Darcy?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well, he it's not going to be the white ball
coach anymore. But he doesn't really know if he wants
to be the red ball coach anymore. So he's going
to like sit around and wait and in the meantime
they're going to try and find a coach, but they
don't know what the coach is going to be. Where
it's going to be white ball or red ball and
white ball.
Speaker 10 (40:20):
So you know, I agree with your dusk one hundred percent.
If he's sitting on the fence, I mean he needs
to set up. You know, that's I agree, that's not right.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Thanks for that, Allen. Well not I'm being unreasonable, I'll Hasten.
I love what Gary Stead has done. I'm a huge
fan of Gary Stead. You hit any in my opinion
pieces about him times, you know, you know I think
he's made mistakes. We all have. New Zealand Cricket have
been amazing to deal with this brave new world. But
(40:56):
I just find this all a bit fluffy blood edges everywhere.
There's nothing precise about what I'm hearing from New Zealand
Cricket or we should be concerned. Don't you think they've
known for long enough that Gary Stead was going to
(41:17):
leave eventually. He's already been significking WAT twice more. And
you've had plenty of time to see what's going on.
You've got all the coaches you want. They're everywhere, I
mean overseas coaches don't know where they're at at the moment, granted,
but you don't want them. They're too expensive. We need
New Zealand coaches to understand New Zealand. You've had all
of this time to work out a feasible, a workable,
(41:42):
a manageable and ultimately successful transition plan, and you haven't
done it, have you? Oh he's leaving. What are the
next I don't know, I asked John, who I got
no idea? Should we just throw it out for a tender?
Speaker 7 (42:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Good idea? What if Gary wants to keep his job?
If you asked him, yeah, did he answer? No? What
timeline on this? I don't know? Sorry, guys, Thanks for producing,
Andy Duff, thanks for listening, thanks for calling, Thanks for texting.
I'm Darcy Watergrave. Goodbye.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
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