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Warriors Centre Kurt Capewell on Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad signing on until late 2027.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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phone number nationwide. A fuel nation of course is New Zealand.
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of standards text charge. However, toward the end of the program,
we're gonna be talking with Chris Ken's. I'm fascinated by
the story that popped up yesterday around Lawrence Booth, the
editor of Wisdom, who basically came out or more than firing,
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he got a got a steam gun out and tried
to lay the BCCI, the ICC, the WTC and everything
else to waste. He didn't miss I tell you so,
Chris is going to join us to talk about the
relevance of what the editor of Wisdom said, whether it
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will get any traction, whether it will fall on death,
is whether Lawrence Booth is just cheting off at the
mouth and it will mean nothing. Big a picture around
this that was the future of Test cricket. Who's controlling cricket?
We all know it's the BCCI kind of the ICC.
Where does it go from here? What is to be
done to shake the game out of the situation that's
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found itself in where it's basically T twenty land, isn't it?
And then throw a test mention in for a bit
of fun. Anyway, Chris Johns just later on the piece
to talk about that. First, we'll talk with Kirk Kate.
Boy's a center an origin center, Warriors center. Last week, Yeah,
but mostly he's a second rower for the Warriors. Who
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will talk to him about last week's victory, what happens
this week? More importantly, Charan's Nicole Clarkstar and what he
brings to the party. He's resigned, He's staying with the Warriors.
He's not going to Super League and Roger to i
Vasa Shek is not going to be fullback. Okay, you
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got that. That's it. It's done for him, just saying.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Just saying.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Anyway, he joins us shortly and we'll take your course
based on on some of what Kurt Kate will says
around the start of the Warriors season.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Because I think it's.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Going really well. I'm not quite sure he agrees enough already.
We'll talk about that later in the piece. But as
per normal, I wouldn't call myself phone traditionalist. But this
is tradition, right, Let's do it today and it's for today.
Chance Nicole Klokstar has re signed for the Warriors. The
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fullback had a Robert Johnson moment that was saved from
the clutches of the devil by lengthening his Penrose contract.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was had been at the crossroads and potentially seeing
yourself in a different jersey didn't sit right. And yeah,
even thinking about it, it's weeding me out a little bit.
So I'm glad that we were able to come to
a conclusion and put that stuff behind us.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Talk to the FC. You have one met on the
a League's Premier's plate and you're needing one miserable point
from the last two games to secure the league's top
spot ahead of playoff time. So where does it go
this Premier's play? What they do? They put them on
the floor and the suck draw on the mantel piece,
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straight to the pull room. Trade me gaff, Steve Corriker,
you got any ideas, but nowhere it's going to go.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But we'd like to get it done this weekend, obviously
in front of our home fans.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think they deserve it as well.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
They've been supporting us amazing all this season and I
think it's only fitting if we can get it done
at a home game, last home game.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And I imagine setting up a club and like this
club brand new. Instead of having a trophy cabine or
a trophy, you had a pool room and all of
your trophies went into the pull room. Cool Blues coach
Vancotter his poolrooms looking all right, has inserted Harry Palmer
at team for this weekend's match against the Reds and Brisbane.
Buddy Barrett's been a book crook, so it's the pine
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for him to start. So he Harry.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
He's inning around and he's probably committed, and he's been
in and around the team, filling out in the midfield
potentially at fallback, and now with Boden being down for
a couple of days, he grabs a team again. Great
belief in what he's able to do and connect with
the team as well.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And it's a second hawkland E FC story and why
not because they're on the verge of something great. Alex Paulson,
the influential Auckland keeper, is purely focused on the A
League for now. He refuses to be drawn into speculation
around where his future lies scotlandand I.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Just want to focus here on organize because you know
it's a special man for Auckland and kind of want
to focus on making sure that we can get some
silver wed by the end of this weekend. Also to
try to look on to doing one in the finals football.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And that's sport today, twelve after seven Chans cold Klokstad
today signed on the line. He's sticking around for another
couple of years as a warrior in the fallback position.
Great news for the club, great news for him, maybe
not so good for to I vasa check although things
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have a nasty habit of changing in the professional context sport.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm sure we'll.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Agree, but he signed, he's sticking around.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Moving into the Newcastle matchdown in christ Church On and
Zach Day were joined now by He's a center slash
second row out sorry, second rower slash center and he
joins us Nah good a Kurt mate, I'm very very
well looking forward to this weekend's action, as I'm sure
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you are as well. Before we look forward and look
to the biggest stories of the week, I just got
to take you back to that game last week against
the Brisbane Broncos. I suppose first and foremost, it must
have been nice being a center and how good to
actually beat those guys at the last. That was one
stunning game of football.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, that was good. It was really good to get
a break on the shoulders and get out in the
centers and have to make his many tackles as back
as you know, and obviously to get one up again
over my old team, you know, it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The celebration around the slotting of the winning goal was
huge because he had a rotten old time of metcalf
before that. But you've got to be impressed with the
spine of the guy. Can give me the I can
do this?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah it was. He was obviously due. He had a
rough night with the with the shoe up until then,
but yeah, just to hold his nerve and be able
to put that one through for us and win us
the game. It's credit to him and the player that
he's he's going to be moving forward.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You don't lie to what was the thought process like
when you saw and grabbed the ball to kick it?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, no, I wanted him to kick it. We obviously
had the win. So worst scenario is they catch it
on their troll one and we just defend the set
and they don't get a cracker field go anyway, So
it was definitely the right decision. And yeah he came
up with the chuckies.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You're going to be more had satisfied or at home
getting your shoulders smashed in the upcoming game or not.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I'll be looking looking forward to getting back a
bit closer to the middle where people are a bit
slower and there's probably a bit bit less pressure on
the decisions you make, I guess, but yeah, a bit
more comfortable back in there around around the other slower
and older followers.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He calling himself slow and old, now, are you ge?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
No, I was talking about the other follows, not myself.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Good point. Hey, welcome returns to the side for this weekend.
Chance is back, Rocco Barry's back as well, and Chance
of course signed on the dotted line today. How important
is that for the future of the club.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Do you think, Yeah, I think it's awesome. Obviously, it's
something that's been gone on in the background for Chance
in the last few weeks, and I think it's great
for him to be able to get that done. Obviously,
he's just had the week off with the head knock,
so he's able to sit down and not out a
deal and put the in the paper. So hopefully moving
forward now he's free in the mind and can play
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his best footy for us, which would be great.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
There's always argument around his position and playing he's a
very good fullback, but you've got this Roger toi Vasashick.
He's not floating around now. He's all broken. But that's
always going to be a discussion with Warriors fans about
who best sits in there. I'm presuming though, that Chance
has got the team's support in debt number one Jumper
one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Mate. Obviously, you know the amount of effort he puts
into his game week in week out, and you know
he's definitely brings a lot of energy to our team
from the back, and he's been great for us so
far this year and he will continue to be great
for us for the rest of the year. I'd say,
and as to the rest of the fans that you
have their opinions on the team, well, that's just how
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it is. They're not the coach, so I just my
recommendation to them is just support the team, no matter
who's in what jersey. And as I've said plenty of
times before, it takes a whole squad to win a premiership.
So it doesn't matter who's playing where and who gets
to wear the jersey in which week. As long as
we're winning games, the show will go on.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Let's talk about the pack. Chatted with Jackson Ford a
couple of weeks ago. What a lovely guy, Jackson Ford,
and so I wouldn't have picked there for a probability
Mitch Barnard as well up the front yourself near Cordy
Aaron Clark. A lot of people now are say saying, hey,
he's really gelled this team. He's holding this team together
with its introduction. He's a key part of that pack.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
You're going to disagree with me, Kurt, No, he's had
a real impact on our team, actually is and it's
awesome to have him back home over here playing for
a team that he loves. And I think he's playing
his best footing. To be honest with you, he's training
hard and on the weekends he's going out there and
given it. He's also he's only going to get better
and better the time as well.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What did you make of the efforts of the new
I can call him a freak now because your team's
calling him a freak too. Liqua hala Sema. He's off
the bench up against the Knights, but wow, how did
he go starting? Do you think you know a good look?
What advice would you give him? What's your impressions?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, he's a powerhouse mate. He's obviously a freak talent
as you said, and you know he's pretty gifted. So
it's awesome to have him on my team because I'd
hate to have to tackle him every week, but to
see what he can do in the limited around of
minutes that he has had, I think moving forward, the
more minutes he gets, the more touches the ball he gets,
the better our team's going to go.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But what have we been prepping for this week? You've
got the Knights? What do you know about them? They're
sitting down the bottom of the table, lesh, But that
really doesn't count as squat in the NRL doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Curt No, No, there's definitely no such thing as an
easy game, no matter where any team is. And it's
only early in the season still, so you don't really
look at the ladder and take too much. Yeah, take
that into much account. But mate, they've got a few superstars. Obviously,
Calen Ponger, he's going to keep us on our game,
so we'll have to be on defensively, and I think
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we're just probably focused more on us and making sure
that we're getting better where they can weak out. There's
definitely still plenty of room throughout our game to improve,
so we'll be working pretty hard. We have been working
pretty hard at training this week, so trying to fix
some things up.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
What's Andrew been primarily focused on with what you guys
can do. Are there any areas that really have been
given a bit of extra shoulder?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, we've just had a few mental lapses throughout the games.
Obviously we're good in patches and it's just a matter
of now combining those patches of stringing it together so
we're good for the full eighty minutes and no lapses
in concentration. And it's not easy. You know, it's pretty
tough to do for the full eighty minute, especially when
it's a tough game and you're pretty tired. So we
just keep working on that and getting better and better
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at that, and then as long as we keep on
winning along the way and learning, I think will be
great come at the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Looking forward to playing the Apollo Projects the lean to
down there in christ Jets, big fan base in christ
Us and it comes to rugby League. It'd give you
a bit of an extra shot doing that down on
the mainland.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I'm really excited actually to get down there. A
few of our boys obviously have some family down there,
and I think it's just a great initiative by the
Warriors to take a game down there. It's sort of
our home away from home. A lot of our fans
down there don't get to see the games live, so
expecting a packed house of Warriors fans and I want
to hear them.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I'm sure you'll hear them. They are quite a noisy
bunch down there. You're setting forth on the table right now,
you see before you can't pay too much attention to
we are sitting now, but actually getting off to a
palpably good start. The energy around must be good. You
must feel like, okay, because I've been watching this team
for twenty five years and you get off to a
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bad start, it's a kick in the shins. But you
guys have got off to a good start. So what
do you attribute that to in how important is that
for you guys moving into the middle of the season.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Well, I don't think we had the best start we had.
Obviously Vegas was a bit of a spinner in our works,
the trip over there, and obviously losing round one was
a bit of a dent and our pre season and
what wo work so hard for. But I think the
bounce back in the Brasilians we've sharing since then to
really put on our style of foot and as I said,
try and improve and get better each week. You know,
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we're sort of showing seeing results of that. At the moment,
we're still a long way off, you know, where we
need to be, and our best footing will be coming
at the end of the year. I'm sure of it.
And I just think, yeah, like I said, the resilients
to be able to bounce back after a loss, and yeah,
just continue to keep learning whilst winning that's that's the
challenge that lay ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Forget the riffs call.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You make the call on.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Sports talking on your home of sports, his talks.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's cable out of the Warriors talking about Charms, the
fact that he's been signed again for another couple of years.
And if you don't like it, tough, you're not the coach.
Nice quote brother. And talking about the start of the
wise season. Maybe I'm a bit too enthusiastic, but it's
been a good start. The team is fourth, it's their
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fourth what have they got touched up by Melbourne? But
I talked about that when it happens every now and
then in the NRL, some team is going to downtrail you.
Then that's what happened. Just so happens the ways Melbourne.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
But so be it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's not the end of the world. Team's gone something.
I'm probably more enthusiastic than Kurt, but I don't think
that Ford's get that enthusiastic. They're a bit more they'd
like to downplay things. Very serious. Men of the forward pack.
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This is a this is a wonderful start to the season.
And yeah it was close last week in fact that
it took Metcalfe to come right right at the very
end after having a how did he describe at a
wobbly time with the shoe, But they've got the win
when he gets Broncos and now in christ Church, I
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wonder if that's been a sellout. I would like to
think it would be.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
They're sitting pretty.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Right now and it's extra news that Chances is sticking around.
This is this is great news for the club. Quite happy.
So my question do you around chants? There's been discussions
and when I talk about discussions, yelling at each other
in the studio and the office out the back there,
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and I won't tell you who I've been talking to
because that's cruel and unusual and you shouldn't do that.
A theory that maybe this was a mistake, that that
Chance is you know, fantastic play. Maybe that's it and
they should just let him go and work on the
future because that's where the Warriors need to build strength.
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That's what the next guy's coming through. Like to a
Piky for example, I don't agree with that, but there
was some pretty vociferous conversation around where the Warriors need
to be heading with players like that. I like having
Chance back there. The players plainly like about. Like k
(17:03):
Caple was harding going to say, oh nah, he's a
bit poor, none of us like him. But he sounded
genuinely enthusiastic about what chance brings. And I think he's
an enthusiastic player. I think this is the right move
for the Warriors because he's a player has been there,
done that, he's gone away, he's come back. And when
you look at strength and experience and you Zealand players,
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and it's really important for a club, be it the
Breakers or Auckland FC or Phoenix or Warriors or whatever.
I like that connection and brings something different to the party.
So I'm all for it. What about yourself?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Do you like this?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Movies? It's a good idea And if the Warriors, is
it just me? They've got off to a good start
A fourth after the first what six rounds? That's a
good start. Yeah, yeah. Oh eighte hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open or you can inflicting a text
on nine two ninety two. That is zedb loop. I
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see the dreaded, dreaded text around how you say people's
names has popped up. Huh oh, that's the pronunciation police
here they come. It's this News Talks there be. I
think they're going great. A bit of a wabble, A
couple of times you can't win them all though, right,
I'm not saying this is our year. I did not
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say that in this is News Talks it b.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
It be.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I left him somewhere. I no longer go.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And I want you away now from the seventy twenty
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and eighty ten eighty it has been. There's been a
wonderful start. And a caller I just called in and said,
you could say fourth or you could say second, equal otherwise,
which just both sounds better. But when you look purely
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at the table, they're sitting in fourth position. But they
are on ten points equaled the Storm, the Raiders a
couple of points ahead of the Broncos and the Sharks
and the Dragons and the Rabbit O's and the Cowboys,
and it's a log jam behind them, and of course
way up the top of the Bulldogs. With that phenomenal
six and sixth start to the season. They are on
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a tear. I'm full of enthusiasm for what happens now.
I'd like Chance coming in and re signing for that
fullback role. I think what they've got this year, even
though they lost a couple because Charm's got knocked out
and rocco'berry was a naughty boy who had to sit
down for a week. Consistency of selection helps enormously this site.
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Go back to the question I had before you should
the Worry have signed Chance to a crookstart or should
they have maybe invested further in some of the younger
guys coming through, which is what some of my colleagues
believe should be the case. I'm not buying it for
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a second, but you might, oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty run through a couple of texts for you now.
I don't quite get I thought doozy was a good thing.
A doozy. Aaron Clark is a doozy like Fisher Harris
waste of money. Hey, they both play like a New
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Zealand thirteen and prop one dimensional throw heally and at
thirteen for Jill dummy has Jeff I thought Doozy was
a good thing. And I think that as pointed out,
what Aaron has done for this side, for this pack,
and that well he's helped to gel them. It's been brilliant.
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Fisher Harris hasn't exactly been the most visible guy, but
from what you told, it's the practice. It's bringing the
team together. This the most important thing. He's hardly set
the world on fire like Finilla Blake did last year. Right,
but there's still time anyho Hey mate, just a message say,
I agree the isn't a positive happy place at the moment.
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Long may it lie. I've done to look forward to
coming back. Also, that young fellow that played Fallback against Brisbane, Wow,
he's going to be a superstar. I think she's made
of a great night. Thank you very much for that, Greg. Yes,
for sure. Chance gives his all and has done some
stunning plays. He's a warrior and that's our team and
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I'm proud of them now.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
There's something about sticking with people to come up through
the system and then they ran away ended up getting
some valuable experience and other clubs overseas like Chance did,
and then come back again and bring that back and
bring the younger players through with that experience. It's a
smart move. It's a great move. Why would the Warriors
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webster change your winning side out for form players? So
why would the Warriors webster change a winning side for
out of form players like Chance and Rock o'berry? Rock
and just come back and he was one of the
players that go to players last season. He's had a
great couple of years the chances spot and apparently Warriors
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Hosking had a lot to say at six am this
morning about them, won't there you go? I should listen
in of course there's we all know he's an absolute
Warriors tragic Get a sailor.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Ah?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Good?
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Thanks mate? Yourself?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Say that what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I just wanted to as a first time caller, like
I think the foreigners that you're doing with your job
and giving us informed and up to date with what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, thank you sama. Have you got anything to contribute
to it?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Well?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I as an ex footy player myself, I'm quite involved
with the head knocks, the concussion and stuff like that,
and that people after they get like three or four knocks,
that's they give up, hang up the boots. And all
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that sort of thing. But some of us keep going
on and keep getting the odd knock here and there.
But you know, I still play the game because I
love the game, you know, and I love my club,
which happens to be bay Roskillfoor. I've just traded in there.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah why not kind of my neighbors. I'm in Gramaton
kind of close enough.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Yeah, that'll do me. Email go hard or go and
so on chance.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
This is a good move to keep him strong. And
the team has got off to a not a good side.
It's been a great start there was so well yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Well a path from Vegas. Vegas was a big blowout.
You know, it's three planes go over there and all.
They had all the support and they get their arses kicked.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So yeah, they weren't there. They're not done.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Ca.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
They came back a week later and onon like three
in a row, so you know they that they were
chipping in good steeds.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So yeah, nice sailor.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Thanks for being the first time caller. Welcome to the show.
It's a seven point thirty four. I mentioned the pronunciation police.
They're back again, and I get that. We're talking about hey,
demand and how are you pronouncing name yesterday because people
say them. And I asked her and she says, demand, demand, Demand, Demand, Darcy.
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I know that the demand derives from German, so it
has the same vowel sound as Mary. Japanese and Marty
have the same vowel sounds. I'm not entirely sure of German,
and it doesn't matter. It's not pronounces ant. But I
guess that if you asked and she told you, But
I'm not convinced. I lived nor Mile when her dad
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was there. Sounds more like dumont, not demand. I am
not wrong. There you go, You ask the athlete, they
tell you, and that's that's the only unless they're all
playing jokes on you. There's a cricket player back in
the day called Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
The g D.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And the arguments over the pronunciation of his name rage
long and hard over many a drink. So I asked
him and he pronounce you, ah, mate, Colin? No, no, no, no,
your last name? Had he pronounce your last name?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't know, don't care. Wait, he goes the grand
home to Grondolem, to Grondom. It doesn't it doesn't matter
to me. Aha, Colin, what do your parents say, and
he said to me, they say the grand home. So
I've run with it ever since. You've got to ask
the people. It's like me asking Jerome kno kanor how
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you pronounced his name? And he didn't give me anything.
I prefer Cane, but it could be Kino doesn't bother.
You know, I'll answer to anything. When you're Jerome. I mean,
you wouldn't give him grief, would you. Twenty five minutes
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Booth has taken quite a few shots and quite a
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few people in his opinion piece. In his editorial, he writes,
the communal shrug that met the appointment of Jay Shah
to the ICC confirmed us Sorry truth twenty twenty four
was the year cricket gave up any claim to being
probably administered with checks, balances and governance for the many,
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not the few. India already had the monopoly. Now they
have hotels on Park Lane and Mayfair. And he goes
on talking about the World Test Championship format are being
designed in the back of a fag packet, and so
on and so forth. Fairly fiery stuff from a man
in a position of strength. Let's talk to oh, make
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Chris Kens about it. Chris, welcome to the program. Chris
say you well, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
A mate?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You've read the story. I think we've all read this
story in a cricket world and we're all still stunned
about Wisden's shot at the ICC, the WCC, the BCCI.
I will summarize it with this one statement of the
World Test Championship format as if it's been designed on
the back of a bag pack. They pulled no punches today.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
Chris Well's well, Lawrence Booth, who's the editor, is he's
good for a SoundBite, so you know he's he's never
one to sort of mix his punches and look he's
gone pretty hard. Let's let's make no bones about it.
But yeah, I like to sort of say what he
said and and and given it those lines, he certainly
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put wisdom to the front of the burgers.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
He called the World Tisch Championship a shamble's masquerading as
a show piece. As you said, he's pulled no punches.
He's come right out and coming from Wisden, the most
respected publication in cricket over a number of years. It
does carry some weight. The question is does it carry
any weight with the pals that be I e. The
ic C, which essentially is the b C C I
because that's the target.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And look it's and it's sort of
a you know, we know there's a handing over of
the baton with the governance of the game and the
power of the game, you know, from England to India.
I do think it's a little bit disingenuous of Lyrence
to go to go as hard as he's done, given
the facts that you know, this competition is. Look, there's
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only been two additions, so you know it's in its infancy. Well,
it's even it's even younger than that. It's just it's
it's only just begun, and you know, you had some
people come together to create or try to give, so
we say test crecket some life and and they've tried
their best and there's only there's been two winners in
New Zealand and Australia and the third edition is about
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to be fought for between Australia and South Africa at
the Lords and you know this summer in England. So
I think he's he's been too harsh given House, you
know House, how smaller number we're looking at from tournaments
and games, et cetera, et cetera. But he but he
also does raise some good points.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
What's your favorite point?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Everything?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Because he's firing everywhere, as you mentioned, and he's had
a right go at who's now running the ic C,
which is basically the b.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
C C I.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
But he also talks about restructuring and I suppose any
competition in its junior years you're going to have to expand,
and that's what he's focusing on. How can we make
World Test Championship more relevant? And I'm presuming how can
we save Test cricketling. It's the bigger picture, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
Yeah, No, you're exactly right, and He's gone pretty hard
at that sort of side of things. But even if
we give it like for like you know, the FIFA
World Cup over nineteen thirty, over twenty tournaments, they had
thirteen or fourteen teams for quite some time. They're now
at forty eight teams in that global tournament. But that's
been built up. And so what the Test Championship has
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tried to create is a format that is able to
be absorbed into the way that we've currently done things.
And we've got five Test series here, two Test series
over there are three Test series over there there, so
they're still figuring it out. But you know, the thing
that Lawrence I think is right about is the length
of time. I mean, I do think two years is
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too short. He is right, I think on that four
year cycle. So that's something that you know, they could
review and have a look at and so that we
can get some sort of continuity in the fact that
there are three match test series. But then again that
needs windows. Some test nations don't have fans and attendance,
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you know, for series that don't have the top tier
or the top name teams, so there are there are
a lot of things and then throw in the mix
as well? Does that you know, how long is Test
cricket going to be around? I mean this is this
is why Test Cricket Championship was formed. But with the
advent of all the one day leagues, the advent of
the salaries being paid to T twenty players. Is a
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is a future Test or sorry, a future T twenty
international player going to jeopardize a multimillion dollar contract If
he's a bowler, he only bowls four overs? So is
he going to jeopardize that multimillion dollar contract to be
bowling forty or fifty overs in a Test match? And
what and not making anywhere near the value and the
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Test matches what he does in the T twenty So
I think I may you may have heard me harp
on about this before, mate, but we're not. We're not
there yet.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
But I I just it'sist inevitable.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
How important is it that a guy like j shar
the ICC chair he used to be at the BCCI
actually runs this thing because it's mostly seen as massive
Indian control of cricket because they've got all the money.
The fact that he's now in that seat is that
kind of curtains is that it now to India actually
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have the whole shooting match.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Yeah, they kind of do. But given you know, I
don't think there's any other sports around the world where,
you know, it's so disproportionate as to the generation of
funds and an India and the Indian market control the
vast majority of that. And I'm not sure Darcy, whether
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it's seventy five per cent of global revenue that goes
through crickets coffers is coming out of India, whether that
be in gates, broadcasts, rights, sponsorship and so merchandise, whatever
that is. And you know, they control the game. He
you know, he who has the gold makes the rules.
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And that's that's not only in sport, mate, that's in life.
And so it's a case of not I think the
crying that the issue around what India has, it's a
case of saying, well, how do we work with them
to make sure that everybody at the table is looked
after because it's important for India to also have other players,
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so sure for international cricket, but also for their ipl
because the Indian fans still want to see great players
from overseas.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm interested in the order because there is a shake
up things have to change. I think that there's no
doubt and the way that the T twenty franchises have
come in and they're basically cannibalizing cricket globally. So the concept,
and I know that Heath Mel's from your Cricket Players
Association absolutely hot on this that the international calendar has
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to be thrown out and it has to be rewritten
so the money makers, which is the T twenty leagues,
take prevalence and then everything else fits in between it.
So I think it's all very well saying how do
we save Test cricket, But I think first and foremost
they've got to look at the structure and how it
all sits in place before they start making these claims
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about change. Because the structure is going to be based
around T twenty that is the future, So how do
they work within that? And you look at this Saudi
league that's coming up with the money involved in that,
they mal may well take some power out of India
because of the cash that they've got.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
Yeah, well exactly, And that's where I think that between
the BCCI, the Saudis and you know, the last thing
you want, which I don't think will happen in cricket
is to have a live golf scenario with the PGA.
And also it appears that you know, there's rumblings in
tennis as well, does he around you know what what
might happen with a separate league being done. But cricket,
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with the dominance of India and the power that they
have and then sort of being in that same region
as Saudi, I think cricket is a little more insulated
than other sports. But you know, those windows of international
play and that's probably where cricket will end up heading
is like is like soccer, and you know where there
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are windows of international competition, there are international World Cups.
There are other elements that whether that's u Waifer holds
with the Champions League or whether FIFA holds with the
ICC World Cup, sorry with the FIFA World Cups, Football
World Cup. And then you've got the domestic leagues which
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which dominate.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
But any any huge.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
Monetary bought is invariably a domestic league, whether that's the NFL,
Major League Baseball, the NBA, you know, the EPL and
now the IPL. So international sport is never going to
match it if it gets to the stage where you
have those massive domestic leagues, and you know, and that's
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where cricket appears to be heading. Whether that's Darcy in
two years or five years or ten years, I don't
think anyone's sure yet, but you know, there needs some
sensible approach from both players from each country, the boards
of each country to make sure that you know that
the game survives in that country, given how important or
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the importance has been placed on domestic T twenty leagues.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm not a massive fan of the BCCI. I think
the champions trophy controls said a lot to me. But
I think we've also got to be very careful about
pushing India into a corner because they are hugely, hugely
powerful and you can't upset get them to a degree,
but you must work with them for the general good
of cricket now globally, do you think that attitude is
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held by all of the cricket boards around that they
do have to work together, because I think a few
of them, you look at Lawrence Booth, have got it
quite deep for Indian cricket. They don't want to come
to the party.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
There is the way of all that to do this.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
Yeah, it's a really good question, and this is again
sort of shaky ground, and you know, i'd sort of
throw in into the mix there as well. Do I
see the Players Association, So I do think that they
play a big role in this as well, because between
the Players Association with their domestic teams. However, we have
to remember that India doesn't have a Players Association, and
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so that's a huge anomaly in all of the associations
and the representation by the players associations around the world
that India does not have a Players Association nor will
it ever have a Players Association. So that's where again
I think it takes car and clear heads to be
able to understand, you know, who India is and what
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they are, work with them on making sure that the
survival of cricket is outside of India as well, because
as I said, you want to have international players feeding
into the IPL, into the leagues that a lot of
the Indian franchises now seem to be acquiring around the
world in these T twenty in these T twenty leagues,
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and so it's they are a hellishly important player in
this and that's where I think, you know, a sort
of a diplomatic approach is the only way forward. Lawrence
Booth has obviously gone quite nuclear with his with his
sort of assessment of where things are at. But you know,
it takes calm and clear heads, I think to get
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the right result for cricket, not just Indian cricket, but
for cricket globally.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Finally, Christy, are you confident that that Test cricket will
survive all of us up? He will still always will
have its place in the game, regardless of the size,
the strength and the generation of money that T twenty brings.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
No, Unfortunately, I've I've been you know, I've said for
quite some time now that I see Test cricket struggling
to maintain its its role within the game. But again,
it's evolution. I used to love listening to Vinyl records, Maney,
you know, and and you know, but ultimately, ultimately the
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fan will determine, you know, where the resource, where the money,
where the commercial aspect of the game goes and and
so that's why, you know, that's that's for now. And
then the players themselves do see, they'll they'll be the
ones that decide whether they want to take up the
contract to play Test cricket put their body under an
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enormous amount of strain and jeopardize what could be some
quite lucrative you know, T twenty contracts in the future.
So so whether again that's in five or ten years,
I'm not sure. I'm really not sure on the time span,
but I think I think it's again an inevitable fact
that we have to face that, you know, test cricket
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could be engraved danger just purely because of what the
fans want, and also can the players bodies actually actually
survive that are not jeopardize their lovelihood.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
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Speaker 2 (41:39):
Such a mess. It's like you kind of need the
tears to be T twenty and build everything else around that.
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Wrights Conrad his FIFA as a model to protect national windows.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Well there you go.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Well something's got to happen. Can't carry on like this.
I mean, maybe we just have to get rid of
this cricket. That's it. It's gone, tradition, the illusion of permanence.
See you later, Oh no.
Speaker 7 (42:44):
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of standards text charge. However, toward the end of the program,
we're gonna be talking with Chris Ken's. I'm fascinated by
the story that popped up yesterday around Lawrence Booth, the
editor of Wisdom, who basically came out or more than firing,
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he got a got a steam gun out and tried
to lay the BCCI, the ICC, the WTC and everything
else to waste. He didn't miss I tell you so,
Chris is going to join us to talk about the
relevance of what the editor of Wisdom said, whether it
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will get any traction, whether it will fall on death,
is whether Lawrence Booth is just cheting off at the
mouth and it will mean nothing. Big a picture around
this that was the future of Test cricket. Who's controlling cricket?
We all know it's the BCCI kind of the ICC.
Where does it go from here? What is to be
done to shake the game out of the situation that's
(02:01):
found itself in where it's basically T twenty land, isn't it?
And then throw a test mention in for a bit
of fun. Anyway, Chris Johns just later on the piece
to talk about that. First, we'll talk with Kirk Kate.
Boy's a center an origin center, Warriors center. Last week, Yeah,
but mostly he's a second rower for the Warriors. Who
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will talk to him about last week's victory, what happens
this week? More importantly, Charan's Nicole Clarkstar and what he
brings to the party. He's resigned, He's staying with the Warriors.
He's not going to Super League and Roger to i
Vasa Shek is not going to be fullback. Okay, you
(02:45):
got that. That's it. It's done for him, just saying.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Just saying.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Anyway, he joins us shortly and we'll take your course
based on on some of what Kurt Kate will says
around the start of the Warriors season.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Because I think it's.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Going really well. I'm not quite sure he agrees enough already.
We'll talk about that later in the piece. But as
per normal, I wouldn't call myself phone traditionalist. But this
is tradition, right, Let's do it today and it's for today.
Chance Nicole Klokstar has re signed for the Warriors. The
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fullback had a Robert Johnson moment that was saved from
the clutches of the devil by lengthening his Penrose contract.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was had been at the crossroads and potentially seeing
yourself in a different jersey didn't sit right. And yeah,
even thinking about it, it's weeding me out a little bit.
So I'm glad that we were able to come to
a conclusion and put that stuff behind us.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Talk to the FC. You have one met on the
a League's Premier's plate and you're needing one miserable point
from the last two games to secure the league's top
spot ahead of playoff time. So where does it go
this Premier's play? What they do? They put them on
the floor and the suck draw on the mantel piece,
(04:02):
straight to the pull room. Trade me gaff, Steve Corriker,
you got any ideas, but nowhere it's going to go.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But we'd like to get it done this weekend, obviously
in front of our home fans.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think they deserve it as well.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
They've been supporting us amazing all this season and I
think it's only fitting if we can get it done
at a home game, last home game.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And I imagine setting up a club and like this
club brand new. Instead of having a trophy cabine or
a trophy, you had a pool room and all of
your trophies went into the pull room. Cool Blues coach
Vancotter his poolrooms looking all right, has inserted Harry Palmer
at team for this weekend's match against the Reds and Brisbane.
Buddy Barrett's been a book crook, so it's the pine
(04:44):
for him to start. So he Harry.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
He's inning around and he's probably committed, and he's been
in and around the team, filling out in the midfield
potentially at fallback, and now with Boden being down for
a couple of days, he grabs a team again. Great
belief in what he's able to do and connect with
the team as well.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And it's a second hawkland E FC story and why
not because they're on the verge of something great. Alex Paulson,
the influential Auckland keeper, is purely focused on the A
League for now. He refuses to be drawn into speculation
around where his future lies scotlandand I.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Just want to focus here on organize because you know
it's a special man for Auckland and kind of want
to focus on making sure that we can get some
silver wed by the end of this weekend. Also to
try to look on to doing one in the finals football.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And that's sport today, twelve after seven Chans cold Klokstad
today signed on the line. He's sticking around for another
couple of years as a warrior in the fallback position.
Great news for the club, great news for him, maybe
not so good for to I vasa check although things
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have a nasty habit of changing in the professional context sport.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm sure we'll.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Agree, but he signed, he's sticking around.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Moving into the Newcastle matchdown in christ Church On and
Zach Day were joined now by He's a center slash
second row out sorry, second rower slash center and he
joins us Nah good a Kurt mate, I'm very very
well looking forward to this weekend's action, as I'm sure
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you are as well. Before we look forward and look
to the biggest stories of the week, I just got
to take you back to that game last week against
the Brisbane Broncos. I suppose first and foremost, it must
have been nice being a center and how good to
actually beat those guys at the last. That was one
stunning game of football.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, that was good. It was really good to get
a break on the shoulders and get out in the
centers and have to make his many tackles as back
as you know, and obviously to get one up again
over my old team, you know, it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The celebration around the slotting of the winning goal was
huge because he had a rotten old time of metcalf
before that. But you've got to be impressed with the
spine of the guy. Can give me the I can
do this?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah it was. He was obviously due. He had a
rough night with the with the shoe up until then,
but yeah, just to hold his nerve and be able
to put that one through for us and win us
the game. It's credit to him and the player that
he's he's going to be moving forward.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You don't lie to what was the thought process like
when you saw and grabbed the ball to kick it?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, no, I wanted him to kick it. We obviously
had the win. So worst scenario is they catch it
on their troll one and we just defend the set
and they don't get a cracker field go anyway, So
it was definitely the right decision. And yeah he came
up with the chuckies.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You're going to be more had satisfied or at home
getting your shoulders smashed in the upcoming game or not.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I'll be looking looking forward to getting back a
bit closer to the middle where people are a bit
slower and there's probably a bit bit less pressure on
the decisions you make, I guess, but yeah, a bit
more comfortable back in there around around the other slower
and older followers.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He calling himself slow and old, now, are you ge?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
No, I was talking about the other follows, not myself.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Good point. Hey, welcome returns to the side for this weekend.
Chance is back, Rocco Barry's back as well, and Chance
of course signed on the dotted line today. How important
is that for the future of the club.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Do you think, Yeah, I think it's awesome. Obviously, it's
something that's been gone on in the background for Chance
in the last few weeks, and I think it's great
for him to be able to get that done. Obviously,
he's just had the week off with the head knock,
so he's able to sit down and not out a
deal and put the in the paper. So hopefully moving
forward now he's free in the mind and can play
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his best footy for us, which would be great.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
There's always argument around his position and playing he's a
very good fullback, but you've got this Roger toi Vasashick.
He's not floating around now. He's all broken. But that's
always going to be a discussion with Warriors fans about
who best sits in there. I'm presuming though, that Chance
has got the team's support in debt number one Jumper
one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Mate. Obviously, you know the amount of effort he puts
into his game week in week out, and you know
he's definitely brings a lot of energy to our team
from the back, and he's been great for us so
far this year and he will continue to be great
for us for the rest of the year. I'd say,
and as to the rest of the fans that you
have their opinions on the team, well, that's just how
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it is. They're not the coach, so I just my
recommendation to them is just support the team, no matter
who's in what jersey. And as I've said plenty of
times before, it takes a whole squad to win a premiership.
So it doesn't matter who's playing where and who gets
to wear the jersey in which week. As long as
we're winning games, the show will go on.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Let's talk about the pack. Chatted with Jackson Ford a
couple of weeks ago. What a lovely guy, Jackson Ford,
and so I wouldn't have picked there for a probability
Mitch Barnard as well up the front yourself near Cordy
Aaron Clark. A lot of people now are say saying, hey,
he's really gelled this team. He's holding this team together
with its introduction. He's a key part of that pack.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
You're going to disagree with me, Kurt, No, he's had
a real impact on our team, actually is and it's
awesome to have him back home over here playing for
a team that he loves. And I think he's playing
his best footing. To be honest with you, he's training
hard and on the weekends he's going out there and
given it. He's also he's only going to get better
and better the time as well.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What did you make of the efforts of the new
I can call him a freak now because your team's
calling him a freak too. Liqua hala Sema. He's off
the bench up against the Knights, but wow, how did
he go starting? Do you think you know a good look?
What advice would you give him? What's your impressions?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, he's a powerhouse mate. He's obviously a freak talent
as you said, and you know he's pretty gifted. So
it's awesome to have him on my team because I'd
hate to have to tackle him every week, but to
see what he can do in the limited around of
minutes that he has had, I think moving forward, the
more minutes he gets, the more touches the ball he gets,
the better our team's going to go.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But what have we been prepping for this week? You've
got the Knights? What do you know about them? They're
sitting down the bottom of the table, lesh, But that
really doesn't count as squat in the NRL doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Curt No, No, there's definitely no such thing as an
easy game, no matter where any team is. And it's
only early in the season still, so you don't really
look at the ladder and take too much. Yeah, take
that into much account. But mate, they've got a few superstars. Obviously,
Calen Ponger, he's going to keep us on our game,
so we'll have to be on defensively, and I think
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we're just probably focused more on us and making sure
that we're getting better where they can weak out. There's
definitely still plenty of room throughout our game to improve,
so we'll be working pretty hard. We have been working
pretty hard at training this week, so trying to fix
some things up.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
What's Andrew been primarily focused on with what you guys
can do. Are there any areas that really have been
given a bit of extra shoulder?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, we've just had a few mental lapses throughout the games.
Obviously we're good in patches and it's just a matter
of now combining those patches of stringing it together so
we're good for the full eighty minutes and no lapses
in concentration. And it's not easy. You know, it's pretty
tough to do for the full eighty minute, especially when
it's a tough game and you're pretty tired. So we
just keep working on that and getting better and better
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at that, and then as long as we keep on
winning along the way and learning, I think will be
great come at the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Looking forward to playing the Apollo Projects the lean to
down there in christ Jets, big fan base in christ
Us and it comes to rugby League. It'd give you
a bit of an extra shot doing that down on
the mainland.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I'm really excited actually to get down there. A
few of our boys obviously have some family down there,
and I think it's just a great initiative by the
Warriors to take a game down there. It's sort of
our home away from home. A lot of our fans
down there don't get to see the games live, so
expecting a packed house of Warriors fans and I want
to hear them.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I'm sure you'll hear them. They are quite a noisy
bunch down there. You're setting forth on the table right now,
you see before you can't pay too much attention to
we are sitting now, but actually getting off to a
palpably good start. The energy around must be good. You
must feel like, okay, because I've been watching this team
for twenty five years and you get off to a
(13:22):
bad start, it's a kick in the shins. But you
guys have got off to a good start. So what
do you attribute that to in how important is that
for you guys moving into the middle of the season.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Well, I don't think we had the best start we had.
Obviously Vegas was a bit of a spinner in our works,
the trip over there, and obviously losing round one was
a bit of a dent and our pre season and
what wo work so hard for. But I think the
bounce back in the Brasilians we've sharing since then to
really put on our style of foot and as I said,
try and improve and get better each week. You know,
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we're sort of showing seeing results of that. At the moment,
we're still a long way off, you know, where we
need to be, and our best footing will be coming
at the end of the year. I'm sure of it.
And I just think, yeah, like I said, the resilients
to be able to bounce back after a loss, and yeah,
just continue to keep learning whilst winning that's that's the
challenge that lay ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Forget the riffs call.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You make the call on.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Sports talking on your home of sports, his talks.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's cable out of the Warriors talking about Charms, the
fact that he's been signed again for another couple of years.
And if you don't like it, tough, you're not the coach.
Nice quote brother. And talking about the start of the
wise season. Maybe I'm a bit too enthusiastic, but it's
been a good start. The team is fourth, it's their
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fourth what have they got touched up by Melbourne? But
I talked about that when it happens every now and
then in the NRL, some team is going to downtrail you.
Then that's what happened. Just so happens the ways Melbourne.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
But so be it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's not the end of the world. Team's gone something.
I'm probably more enthusiastic than Kurt, but I don't think
that Ford's get that enthusiastic. They're a bit more they'd
like to downplay things. Very serious. Men of the forward pack.
(15:26):
This is a this is a wonderful start to the season.
And yeah it was close last week in fact that
it took Metcalfe to come right right at the very
end after having a how did he describe at a
wobbly time with the shoe, But they've got the win
when he gets Broncos and now in christ Church, I
(15:47):
wonder if that's been a sellout. I would like to
think it would be.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
They're sitting pretty.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Right now and it's extra news that Chances is sticking around.
This is this is great news for the club. Quite happy.
So my question do you around chants? There's been discussions
and when I talk about discussions, yelling at each other
in the studio and the office out the back there,
(16:16):
and I won't tell you who I've been talking to
because that's cruel and unusual and you shouldn't do that.
A theory that maybe this was a mistake, that that
Chance is you know, fantastic play. Maybe that's it and
they should just let him go and work on the
future because that's where the Warriors need to build strength.
(16:40):
That's what the next guy's coming through. Like to a
Piky for example, I don't agree with that, but there
was some pretty vociferous conversation around where the Warriors need
to be heading with players like that. I like having
Chance back there. The players plainly like about. Like k
(17:03):
Caple was harding going to say, oh nah, he's a
bit poor, none of us like him. But he sounded
genuinely enthusiastic about what chance brings. And I think he's
an enthusiastic player. I think this is the right move
for the Warriors because he's a player has been there,
done that, he's gone away, he's come back. And when
you look at strength and experience and you Zealand players,
(17:27):
and it's really important for a club, be it the
Breakers or Auckland FC or Phoenix or Warriors or whatever.
I like that connection and brings something different to the party.
So I'm all for it. What about yourself?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Do you like this?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Movies? It's a good idea And if the Warriors, is
it just me? They've got off to a good start
A fourth after the first what six rounds? That's a
good start. Yeah, yeah. Oh eighte hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open or you can inflicting a text
on nine two ninety two. That is zedb loop. I
(18:03):
see the dreaded, dreaded text around how you say people's
names has popped up. Huh oh, that's the pronunciation police
here they come. It's this News Talks there be. I
think they're going great. A bit of a wabble, A
couple of times you can't win them all though, right,
I'm not saying this is our year. I did not
(18:25):
say that in this is News Talks it b.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Have your say one hundred eighty eighty Sports Talk on
your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It be.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I left him somewhere. I no longer go.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And I want you away now from the seventy twenty
eight sports Talker and News Talks to B eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty it has been. There's been a
wonderful start. And a caller I just called in and said,
you could say fourth or you could say second, equal otherwise,
which just both sounds better. But when you look purely
(19:16):
at the table, they're sitting in fourth position. But they
are on ten points equaled the Storm, the Raiders a
couple of points ahead of the Broncos and the Sharks
and the Dragons and the Rabbit O's and the Cowboys,
and it's a log jam behind them, and of course
way up the top of the Bulldogs. With that phenomenal
six and sixth start to the season. They are on
(19:38):
a tear. I'm full of enthusiasm for what happens now.
I'd like Chance coming in and re signing for that
fullback role. I think what they've got this year, even
though they lost a couple because Charm's got knocked out
and rocco'berry was a naughty boy who had to sit
down for a week. Consistency of selection helps enormously this site.
(20:02):
Go back to the question I had before you should
the Worry have signed Chance to a crookstart or should
they have maybe invested further in some of the younger
guys coming through, which is what some of my colleagues
believe should be the case. I'm not buying it for
(20:23):
a second, but you might, oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty run through a couple of texts for you now.
I don't quite get I thought doozy was a good thing.
A doozy. Aaron Clark is a doozy like Fisher Harris
waste of money. Hey, they both play like a New
(20:48):
Zealand thirteen and prop one dimensional throw heally and at
thirteen for Jill dummy has Jeff I thought Doozy was
a good thing. And I think that as pointed out,
what Aaron has done for this side, for this pack,
and that well he's helped to gel them. It's been brilliant.
(21:11):
Fisher Harris hasn't exactly been the most visible guy, but
from what you told, it's the practice. It's bringing the
team together. This the most important thing. He's hardly set
the world on fire like Finilla Blake did last year. Right,
but there's still time anyho Hey mate, just a message say,
I agree the isn't a positive happy place at the moment.
(21:32):
Long may it lie. I've done to look forward to
coming back. Also, that young fellow that played Fallback against Brisbane, Wow,
he's going to be a superstar. I think she's made
of a great night. Thank you very much for that, Greg. Yes,
for sure. Chance gives his all and has done some
stunning plays. He's a warrior and that's our team and
(21:54):
I'm proud of them now.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
There's something about sticking with people to come up through
the system and then they ran away ended up getting
some valuable experience and other clubs overseas like Chance did,
and then come back again and bring that back and
bring the younger players through with that experience. It's a
smart move. It's a great move. Why would the Warriors
(22:20):
webster change your winning side out for form players? So
why would the Warriors webster change a winning side for
out of form players like Chance and Rock o'berry? Rock
and just come back and he was one of the
players that go to players last season. He's had a
great couple of years the chances spot and apparently Warriors
(22:48):
Hosking had a lot to say at six am this
morning about them, won't there you go? I should listen
in of course there's we all know he's an absolute
Warriors tragic Get a sailor.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Ah?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Good?
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Thanks mate? Yourself?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Say that what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I just wanted to as a first time caller, like
I think the foreigners that you're doing with your job
and giving us informed and up to date with what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, thank you sama. Have you got anything to contribute
to it?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Well?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I as an ex footy player myself, I'm quite involved
with the head knocks, the concussion and stuff like that,
and that people after they get like three or four knocks,
that's they give up, hang up the boots. And all
(23:44):
that sort of thing. But some of us keep going
on and keep getting the odd knock here and there.
But you know, I still play the game because I
love the game, you know, and I love my club,
which happens to be bay Roskillfoor. I've just traded in there.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah why not kind of my neighbors. I'm in Gramaton
kind of close enough.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Yeah, that'll do me. Email go hard or go and
so on chance.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
This is a good move to keep him strong. And
the team has got off to a not a good side.
It's been a great start there was so well yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Well a path from Vegas. Vegas was a big blowout.
You know, it's three planes go over there and all.
They had all the support and they get their arses kicked.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So yeah, they weren't there. They're not done.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Ca.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
They came back a week later and onon like three
in a row, so you know they that they were
chipping in good steeds.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So yeah, nice sailor.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Thanks for being the first time caller. Welcome to the show.
It's a seven point thirty four. I mentioned the pronunciation police.
They're back again, and I get that. We're talking about hey,
demand and how are you pronouncing name yesterday because people
say them. And I asked her and she says, demand, demand, Demand, Demand, Darcy.
(25:14):
I know that the demand derives from German, so it
has the same vowel sound as Mary. Japanese and Marty
have the same vowel sounds. I'm not entirely sure of German,
and it doesn't matter. It's not pronounces ant. But I
guess that if you asked and she told you, But
I'm not convinced. I lived nor Mile when her dad
(25:36):
was there. Sounds more like dumont, not demand. I am
not wrong. There you go, You ask the athlete, they
tell you, and that's that's the only unless they're all
playing jokes on you. There's a cricket player back in
the day called Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
The g D.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And the arguments over the pronunciation of his name rage
long and hard over many a drink. So I asked
him and he pronounce you, ah, mate, Colin? No, no, no, no,
your last name? Had he pronounce your last name?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't know, don't care. Wait, he goes the grand
home to Grondolem, to Grondom. It doesn't it doesn't matter
to me. Aha, Colin, what do your parents say, and
he said to me, they say the grand home. So
I've run with it ever since. You've got to ask
the people. It's like me asking Jerome kno kanor how
(26:44):
you pronounced his name? And he didn't give me anything.
I prefer Cane, but it could be Kino doesn't bother.
You know, I'll answer to anything. When you're Jerome. I mean,
you wouldn't give him grief, would you. Twenty five minutes
to eight is the sports talk on News Talk z B.
Wisden had a right crack at the w TC, the
World Test Championship, the ICC, the b c C. I
(27:05):
we're talking about that next with Chris Ken's and the
worrying state of International Cricket. News talks here b She said, Hi,
nice to meet you too. Does get up off?
Speaker 9 (27:30):
She said?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
This life if forever?
Speaker 9 (27:35):
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Sports Walker and news talks Here be Wisdom. The Bible
of World Cricket released this week and the editor, Lawrence
Booth has taken quite a few shots and quite a
(27:56):
few people in his opinion piece. In his editorial, he writes,
the communal shrug that met the appointment of Jay Shah
to the ICC confirmed us Sorry truth twenty twenty four
was the year cricket gave up any claim to being
probably administered with checks, balances and governance for the many,
(28:19):
not the few. India already had the monopoly. Now they
have hotels on Park Lane and Mayfair. And he goes
on talking about the World Test Championship format are being
designed in the back of a fag packet, and so
on and so forth. Fairly fiery stuff from a man
in a position of strength. Let's talk to oh, make
(28:42):
Chris Kens about it. Chris, welcome to the program. Chris
say you well, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
A mate?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You've read the story. I think we've all read this
story in a cricket world and we're all still stunned
about Wisden's shot at the ICC, the WCC, the BCCI.
I will summarize it with this one statement of the
World Test Championship format as if it's been designed on
the back of a bag pack. They pulled no punches today.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
Chris Well's well, Lawrence Booth, who's the editor, is he's
good for a SoundBite, so you know he's he's never
one to sort of mix his punches and look he's
gone pretty hard. Let's let's make no bones about it.
But yeah, I like to sort of say what he
said and and and given it those lines, he certainly
(29:31):
put wisdom to the front of the burgers.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
He called the World Tisch Championship a shamble's masquerading as
a show piece. As you said, he's pulled no punches.
He's come right out and coming from Wisden, the most
respected publication in cricket over a number of years. It
does carry some weight. The question is does it carry
any weight with the pals that be I e. The
ic C, which essentially is the b C C I
because that's the target.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And look it's and it's sort of
a you know, we know there's a handing over of
the baton with the governance of the game and the
power of the game, you know, from England to India.
I do think it's a little bit disingenuous of Lyrence
to go to go as hard as he's done, given
the facts that you know, this competition is. Look, there's
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only been two additions, so you know it's in its infancy. Well,
it's even it's even younger than that. It's just it's
it's only just begun, and you know, you had some
people come together to create or try to give, so
we say test crecket some life and and they've tried
their best and there's only there's been two winners in
New Zealand and Australia and the third edition is about
(30:35):
to be fought for between Australia and South Africa at
the Lords and you know this summer in England. So
I think he's he's been too harsh given House, you
know House, how smaller number we're looking at from tournaments
and games, et cetera, et cetera. But he but he
also does raise some good points.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
What's your favorite point?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Everything?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Because he's firing everywhere, as you mentioned, and he's had
a right go at who's now running the ic C,
which is basically the b.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
C C I.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
But he also talks about restructuring and I suppose any
competition in its junior years you're going to have to expand,
and that's what he's focusing on. How can we make
World Test Championship more relevant? And I'm presuming how can
we save Test cricketling. It's the bigger picture, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
Yeah, No, you're exactly right, and He's gone pretty hard
at that sort of side of things. But even if
we give it like for like you know, the FIFA
World Cup over nineteen thirty, over twenty tournaments, they had
thirteen or fourteen teams for quite some time. They're now
at forty eight teams in that global tournament. But that's
been built up. And so what the Test Championship has
(31:41):
tried to create is a format that is able to
be absorbed into the way that we've currently done things.
And we've got five Test series here, two Test series
over there are three Test series over there there, so
they're still figuring it out. But you know, the thing
that Lawrence I think is right about is the length
of time. I mean, I do think two years is
(32:02):
too short. He is right, I think on that four
year cycle. So that's something that you know, they could
review and have a look at and so that we
can get some sort of continuity in the fact that
there are three match test series. But then again that
needs windows. Some test nations don't have fans and attendance,
(32:25):
you know, for series that don't have the top tier
or the top name teams, so there are there are
a lot of things and then throw in the mix
as well? Does that you know, how long is Test
cricket going to be around? I mean this is this
is why Test Cricket Championship was formed. But with the
advent of all the one day leagues, the advent of
the salaries being paid to T twenty players. Is a
(32:48):
is a future Test or sorry, a future T twenty
international player going to jeopardize a multimillion dollar contract If
he's a bowler, he only bowls four overs? So is
he going to jeopardize that multimillion dollar contract to be
bowling forty or fifty overs in a Test match? And
what and not making anywhere near the value and the
(33:09):
Test matches what he does in the T twenty So
I think I may you may have heard me harp
on about this before, mate, but we're not. We're not
there yet.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
But I I just it'sist inevitable.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
How important is it that a guy like j shar
the ICC chair he used to be at the BCCI
actually runs this thing because it's mostly seen as massive
Indian control of cricket because they've got all the money.
The fact that he's now in that seat is that
kind of curtains is that it now to India actually
(33:40):
have the whole shooting match.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Yeah, they kind of do. But given you know, I
don't think there's any other sports around the world where,
you know, it's so disproportionate as to the generation of
funds and an India and the Indian market control the
vast majority of that. And I'm not sure Darcy, whether
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it's seventy five per cent of global revenue that goes
through crickets coffers is coming out of India, whether that
be in gates, broadcasts, rights, sponsorship and so merchandise, whatever
that is. And you know, they control the game. He
you know, he who has the gold makes the rules.
(34:25):
And that's that's not only in sport, mate, that's in life.
And so it's a case of not I think the
crying that the issue around what India has, it's a
case of saying, well, how do we work with them
to make sure that everybody at the table is looked
after because it's important for India to also have other players,
(34:48):
so sure for international cricket, but also for their ipl
because the Indian fans still want to see great players
from overseas.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm interested in the order because there is a shake
up things have to change. I think that there's no
doubt and the way that the T twenty franchises have
come in and they're basically cannibalizing cricket globally. So the concept,
and I know that Heath Mel's from your Cricket Players
Association absolutely hot on this that the international calendar has
(35:16):
to be thrown out and it has to be rewritten
so the money makers, which is the T twenty leagues,
take prevalence and then everything else fits in between it.
So I think it's all very well saying how do
we save Test cricket, But I think first and foremost
they've got to look at the structure and how it
all sits in place before they start making these claims
(35:38):
about change. Because the structure is going to be based
around T twenty that is the future, So how do
they work within that? And you look at this Saudi
league that's coming up with the money involved in that,
they mal may well take some power out of India
because of the cash that they've got.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
Yeah, well exactly, And that's where I think that between
the BCCI, the Saudis and you know, the last thing
you want, which I don't think will happen in cricket
is to have a live golf scenario with the PGA.
And also it appears that you know, there's rumblings in
tennis as well, does he around you know what what
might happen with a separate league being done. But cricket,
(36:17):
with the dominance of India and the power that they
have and then sort of being in that same region
as Saudi, I think cricket is a little more insulated
than other sports. But you know, those windows of international
play and that's probably where cricket will end up heading
is like is like soccer, and you know where there
(36:40):
are windows of international competition, there are international World Cups.
There are other elements that whether that's u Waifer holds
with the Champions League or whether FIFA holds with the
ICC World Cup, sorry with the FIFA World Cups, Football
World Cup. And then you've got the domestic leagues which
(37:01):
which dominate.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
But any any huge.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
Monetary bought is invariably a domestic league, whether that's the NFL,
Major League Baseball, the NBA, you know, the EPL and
now the IPL. So international sport is never going to
match it if it gets to the stage where you
have those massive domestic leagues, and you know, and that's
(37:25):
where cricket appears to be heading. Whether that's Darcy in
two years or five years or ten years, I don't
think anyone's sure yet, but you know, there needs some
sensible approach from both players from each country, the boards
of each country to make sure that you know that
the game survives in that country, given how important or
(37:49):
the importance has been placed on domestic T twenty leagues.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm not a massive fan of the BCCI. I think
the champions trophy controls said a lot to me. But
I think we've also got to be very careful about
pushing India into a corner because they are hugely, hugely
powerful and you can't upset get them to a degree,
but you must work with them for the general good
of cricket now globally, do you think that attitude is
(38:14):
held by all of the cricket boards around that they
do have to work together, because I think a few
of them, you look at Lawrence Booth, have got it
quite deep for Indian cricket. They don't want to come
to the party.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
There is the way of all that to do this.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
Yeah, it's a really good question, and this is again
sort of shaky ground, and you know, i'd sort of
throw in into the mix there as well. Do I
see the Players Association, So I do think that they
play a big role in this as well, because between
the Players Association with their domestic teams. However, we have
to remember that India doesn't have a Players Association, and
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so that's a huge anomaly in all of the associations
and the representation by the players associations around the world
that India does not have a Players Association nor will
it ever have a Players Association. So that's where again
I think it takes car and clear heads to be
able to understand, you know, who India is and what
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they are, work with them on making sure that the
survival of cricket is outside of India as well, because
as I said, you want to have international players feeding
into the IPL, into the leagues that a lot of
the Indian franchises now seem to be acquiring around the
world in these T twenty in these T twenty leagues,
(39:36):
and so it's they are a hellishly important player in
this and that's where I think, you know, a sort
of a diplomatic approach is the only way forward. Lawrence
Booth has obviously gone quite nuclear with his with his
sort of assessment of where things are at. But you know,
it takes calm and clear heads, I think to get
(39:56):
the right result for cricket, not just Indian cricket, but
for cricket globally.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Finally, Christy, are you confident that that Test cricket will
survive all of us up? He will still always will
have its place in the game, regardless of the size,
the strength and the generation of money that T twenty brings.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
No, Unfortunately, I've I've been you know, I've said for
quite some time now that I see Test cricket struggling
to maintain its its role within the game. But again,
it's evolution. I used to love listening to Vinyl records, Maney,
you know, and and you know, but ultimately, ultimately the
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fan will determine, you know, where the resource, where the money,
where the commercial aspect of the game goes and and
so that's why, you know, that's that's for now. And
then the players themselves do see, they'll they'll be the
ones that decide whether they want to take up the
contract to play Test cricket put their body under an
(40:59):
enormous amount of strain and jeopardize what could be some
quite lucrative you know, T twenty contracts in the future.
So so whether again that's in five or ten years,
I'm not sure. I'm really not sure on the time span,
but I think I think it's again an inevitable fact
that we have to face that, you know, test cricket
(41:19):
could be engraved danger just purely because of what the
fans want, and also can the players bodies actually actually
survive that are not jeopardize their lovelihood.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
The right call is your call on eight eighty Sports
Talk call on your home of sports News talksb.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Such a mess. It's like you kind of need the
tears to be T twenty and build everything else around that.
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There's News Talk's eb. You're three and a half away
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Wrights Conrad his FIFA as a model to protect national windows.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Well there you go.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Well something's got to happen. Can't carry on like this.
I mean, maybe we just have to get rid of
this cricket. That's it. It's gone, tradition, the illusion of permanence.
See you later, Oh no.
Speaker 7 (42:44):
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