May 13, 2025 • 41 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Former America's Cup sailor Joey Allen on the 30th anniversary of Black Magic's America's Cup win.
Talkback - America's Cup memories.
Wellington Phoenix general manager David Dome on the team's upcoming clash with Wrexham FC.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Evening. We are going to sports thor Grady every bag
on board. Oh, I'm pleased to be here. We all
love a weekend. But come the end of Monday, I'm
stir crazy. I need to get back into the studio
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water Grave. Good evening, it's seven after seven on its
Tuesday's thirteenth to May tween t tween ty five. What
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on earth was head of Plaicy Ellen saying about Rico
Joanni getting peoped with texts about how he looks. Never
thought people cared with rugby players. Go figure less on
that though, More on what we've got for you tonight
and what do we have for you tonight? Well, thirty
years ago today, something quite extraordinary happened over in the
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United States of America. What was it? Well, we know
what Peter Montgomery said, We know that the Americas up
there's now the New Zealand's Cup. But well, now New
Zealand's Cup, I think it still is, although I'm not
really sure where it is, but apparently it's still ours.
But they had triggered at all, Peter Blake as he
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was then and his merry bunch of men went to
beat up on the Americans and the old mug was
New Zealand's. It was an extraordinary day. It was wonderful,
and we're going to talk about that after we talked
with Bauman Joey Allen. He joins us to look back
thirty years ago at what that meant and how that
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felt when the America's Cup was finally rested back to
New Zealand by the crew of Team New Zealand. We're
just playing on Team New Zealand then, so we'll be
talking with Joey Allen shortly, and then we're going to
take your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty around
the Cup. Has it actually got any better over the
(02:08):
time it's been thirty years, How has it developed? How
has it changed? Is it better than it was? Are
they good parts? Are their bad parts? We want to
talk about this because it really is. Today's a thirty
ye anniversary of one of the biggest days in modern
New Zealand sport. Even though it was last millennia. I
can still say modern because I remember it toward the
(02:30):
end of the show, David Dome joins us. He's the
general manager of the Phoenix. Some film stars where the
football team attached to them are coming to Wellington. The
Phoenix are taking on Wrexham. Dare I say it? But
I shall. Wellington's welcome for Wrexham and we'll talk about
that with David Dome toward the end of the program.
(02:52):
That is our plan, That's what we go. Oh my god,
I'm just got a text saying that heathern name dropped
me tonight. Well, well, well, haven't I risen up in
the rankings? Names dropped by Heather Plice Allen, I've done
it to her twice now. Anyway, enough of that, let's
get away from that. Let's get onto this today. What's
that guy again? Because in Sports Today, Rica Jouanni, the
(03:15):
All Black and Blue center.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Is off to Ireland for a cash grape. Sorry, that's sabbatical, fosh.
He trolled the Irish and the Lenster hero Johnny Sexton
after the All Blacks put them firmly in their Rugby
World Cup quarter finalist hole and really upset the fans
when he did it. So how they respond to Rico's
time at Lenster.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Fans will be fans and you know I'm a stranger.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It's a bit of a bit of this.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
He needs more of this and I love the side
of the game and it is what seems fifty to
fifty And yeah, will you have to wait to see
when I'm over there.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
They'll hate you un till it start scoring tries. It's
pretty simple. That's your currency. Warriors hooker Wade Egan has
responded to his name being put up as a possible
origin rep. Five years is fifty, isn't it? As a
war is actually showing he's got that we humble down packed.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's pretty cool just to sort of be mentioned in
that sort of arena. Obviously, when you're a kid, you
sort of grow up watching it and dreaming about it,
and that would be very cool experience. But I just
I said before, just sort of trump pay my best
for the Warriors and sort of get results here and
just let the footy sort of take care ofself.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
A crazy year. That'd be well worth their time to
pick your Timberwolves. That shooting guard Anthony Edwards said his
team got to spray at halftime from the coach. He
responded with thirty points as they ended up the beating
Golden State one seventeen to one ten to go three
one up in the NBA's Western Conference semi Finals. Think
you with ESPN.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
We came in at halftime, coach told is like, man,
we playing like some losers. We got to lose the
mentality right now. And we wasn't being addressing on defense.
He wasn't being aggressive on offense. We was just playing
so loose. We wasn't attacking the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And Greg Turner has spoken off the lack of a
pen trougl the night riding round on Ryan Fox back.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
So you can just go out there and play, and
you know, we am with a view on how well
can I do and what can I add to that,
rather than having in the back of your mind you know,
I've got to play. I'm going to play quite a
lot just to make sure I keep my playing rights.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And that's sport today. All right, let's talk about the
wonderful day thirty years ago. Today. The America's Cup is
now New Zealand's Cup. Infamous famous, not infamous. Famous words
from Peter John Montgomery pjmont Commentary as I sometimes call him.
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And it was all based on the back of New Zealand,
finally finally getting the old mug back to New Zealand
by beating an American team over in America. How good
was that? And a man who was there on about
Joey Allen, He joins us now to discuss that day
thirty years ago today. Welcome to the show, Joey. I'm
(06:01):
very well mate, are you celebrating the thirty years? Did
you wake up this morning and go?
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Was that three decades ago since thee won the America's gup?
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Completely forgot about it in the dentist chair when you
were when you were bothering me. I was sitting in
the dentist chair getting the teeth drilled out. So no,
completely forgot about it.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But what do you remember about it now? Because it
seems like a lifetime ago that it happened. It was
in the mid nineties, for crying out loud to me,
it's a distant memory. But it was such a huge
event in New Zealand sport, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Look the memories are real and they don't they don't fade,
you know, the yachting. I struggled to remember the yachting.
But you know, guys, I just remember the you know,
the memories were the guys, the team. It was just
a phenomenal bunch of people, it really was. And yeah,
those memories are with you forever.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
How did you get hauled into it?
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Joe?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You've been sailing your entire life. I expect you, you know,
it came out sailing. But you know what late thirties
you were. How did you get hold into this? What
was your drive?
Speaker 9 (07:07):
Well?
Speaker 8 (07:08):
I was just you know, a stereotypical yachtie banging around
the harbor. And I'll be honest, I got a phone
called from Russell Coots, who I had have to say.
We went the best of mates. You know through going
through the Auckland yachting scene is pretty brutal, and we
had a couple of good biffs you know, on the
harbor and didn't get off to a great start. But
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one day he rang me a year before the regatta
and said, would you be interested in sailing with me
in the American's Cup? And you know it was a
little bit hisn'tant because we went. We went on the
best terms. But when you read out the crew, he said,
look this is who I'm trying to get hold of,
and these are the people I want to take I
just said, mate, I'm not missing out on that. That's
that's you know, they're going to have to be very
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very good to beat those guys, you know, and beat
that team and beat the way it was organized.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
And it was an absolute.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
No brainer to sign up right there and then, even
though it was a year before it actually happened.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You talk about the team and there are so many
names now but still reverberate around yachting circles and sporting circles.
Cepated Blake plainly one of them. You had Russell Coots,
who's extraordinary, Tom Schnackenberg. But there was a few guys
that maybe have paled into history so much. But it's
all about all of them, the likes of the the
(08:26):
Simon Daubeney's for example. There were so many guys who
were so integral to that team.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Yeah, everyone, you know, put put in a massive effort
and it was it's hard to describe, but you know,
we we Everyone talks about mental strength and mental toughness,
and that strong had a serious confidence bordering on arrogance
about it.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
You know, the.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Daubseys, and they all had their roles. A lot you know,
it might have been humor, It might have been aggression.
It might have been physicality, It might have been intelligence,
it might have been artistic flair. Everybody contributed, you know,
and created this monster of a very very very successful
yachting crew, you know, yachting team.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When you were getting close to actually lifting the cup?
How did the energy change amongst the team? But of
course the whole country behind you, everyone's going mad, all
their red socks on that the pressure that must have
been bearing down on you wall did that affect this
team much?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Look, it was a different time.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
It was before the internet, and we we were, you know,
doing a yachting regatta in San Diego, and we didn't
really you know, appreciate the you know, the magnitude of
how what was happening back in Auckland, back in New Zealand.
You know, we were I do remember when we've crossed
the finishing line, the.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Feeling of.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
The relief. It was a relief more than anything of
just not having to go out day after day after
day and perform at a very very high level.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
You know, it was more of a feeling of a
relief for me to and to be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You sailed in the regatta. It was pretty intense of
a short period of time. You build up you'd just
come off sailing around the world. Joey Yellen, that's quite
an interesting transition.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Well, I mean for Dean Phips and I, who were
the two boundmen on the front of the yacht, it
couldn't have been a a better platform, you know, we
would We were doing those those those sale changes that
you saw in the cup, we were doing those in
the middle of the night, you know, and dark in
the southern Ocean. We were we were very, very very
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confident and that you know, we could perform it at
that and above that level and maybe set the bar
as far as crewek goes. And you know, we had
Robbie Nasmith, we had bread Butterworth, Tony Ray, we had
guys that had just smashed themselves around the world straight
into that and the Americans at that time.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Weren't really doing the ocean racing as we were, you know,
So I got to be honest, there's a little bit
of arrogance about us.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You probably need that though, don't you a lot of
strong personalities trying to win one of the biggest prizes
in world sport.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yeah, you need, you need everything, but you're you're also need.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
There was one thing about that those guys and that
team is there was a lot of human There was
so much.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
That it was.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
Russell can be a very funny man, Brad Butter with
you know, Andrew Taylor, Craig Mark, some of those guys
are just in Simon.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Dubeney, they're just very very very funny men.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You guys ever get together, it's been it's been a
long time between drinks. Is there's still a relationship.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
With you or yeah, very much so, like it's it's
it's very very good to spend one on one with
one of them, but you kind of avoid getting too
many of them together because it you can go pretty
nasty pretty quick, you know, you know, you know, you
try and avoid the big ones. I'll be honest with
you. You know, I had to get away.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And your wildest dreams looking at where the America's Cup
is gone. You managed to rest that trophy and bring
it back here. It's just accelerated, not only from what
you were sailing, because it's very very different now, but
the size of it. Has it expanded in the right direction.
Do you think, well, it's certainly gone in a direction. Look,
(12:24):
I love watching America's Cup now, you know. And I
was at a party the other night with a lot
of the current the current team members and the guys
that are still very active in it, and look, you know,
it just felt that being in the room with them,
it just felt exactly the same. The camaraderie and all
of that side of it's still there. You know that
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the sport is it's insane to watch. You know, you
have to you have to love it. Not everyone will
agree with me, but I really really enjoy the direction
it's taken. I think it's fantastic. Joey Allen, thanks so
much for your time in these memories. Although I'm amazed
that after the event you've got any memories because I
think when a little little west, how do you feel
(13:09):
about not being here anymore? It's a huge conversation around
defend that it once, it got it, but it's not
back in New Zealand. That must be a shot to
your kidneys.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
Look, the two Cups that were here were fantastic, and
yet it would be nice for it to be here.
But I fully understand the costs needed to run it,
and I get it. I understand why.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's not here.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Yeah, I'm really disappointed. I think it is an opportunity
that's gone. But hey, I'm still a massive America's Cup fan,
always will be.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yet on that Joey Allen, who not only is a
fantastic sailor America's Cup winner, but he's a co host
as well on our podcast Birds you got to get
out of there date. You're looking forward to connecting the
Cup again with you and Barbara Kendall as we carry
on making a ruckus. Hey, happy birthday mate, thirty years young.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
You're a good man. Does Thanks for the call, buddy.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men,
have yourself on eighty Sports Talk or on your whole
of sports news talks.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It be see sports Talk on that news Talk zeb
Joey Allen there abauma and he was in the sewer
for the whole of the America's Cup, but as he said,
he had plenty of times sailing around the world and
the dark doing the same thing, so it was a
walk in the part for him. Fascinating insight, especially around
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the effect they were having at the time they didn't
know for all young ones out there There was no
Internet back in the day. Didn't exist, right, No Instagram,
no Facebook, no Twitter, none of it wasn't there. But
we didn't know about things, and you know, it took
quite some time to get back there. Of course they
came back and Wolf looks what happened because that was
(14:55):
our massive day. I was selling second hand houses back then,
and I was standing in a living room doing an
open home memorial ab in christ Church, the house i'd listed,
watching it on the TV, shouting people the opening, what's
(15:16):
going on with that guy? Didn't matter? This is so good?
So the question for you, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
it's been thirty years? Is it a better product? Is
America's cup a better product? And how there are a
lot of angles on this one. It's been massively important
to us as a sporting nation. Cannot deny me that
(15:39):
is it a better product as it's evolved or has
it devolved? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We go
now to Conrad. Good evening to you, sir.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Yeah, hey, Darthy all in live Free to Wear TV
as well, by the way, I know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, there was no sky back then, was there. I
was like, hold on where was it on because I
was watching it on TV at this opening and I thought,
maybe I've just conjured that memory up out of nowhere. Maybe,
but it was right, Oh, it was.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
It was an awesome I think I'm glad you're open
with it because it was such a huge day and
I think you've got to remember, this is New Zealand
taking on the world. I mean, there was like twelve
challenges from around the world and it was such a
New Zealand challenge as well. The design of the boat,
everything about that, the crew, it was like we were
taking on the world and winning. And so it.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Was that it was that that's what it was. Because
America's Cup. Then people are all over it like a rash.
Everyone wanted a crack.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Right, that's right, and.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
You know, you won't probably bring it bring it up
on Friday. But of course there was a half a
million that took to the streets on the Wednesday, and
we'd come back when they were doing the you know,
the float parade around downtown Queen Street, but that was
three days later. So just on that actual morning, the
Sunday morning, Zilla in time, it was it was just
(17:09):
a case of you know, it's five Mill was other
stars of structure. It was over Dennis Connor, but the
whole story behind it was one of us winning. And
I think that's something in the Free Incident age was
was just so important. There was Disney that the day
I've been the most proud of to the Bikili. There's
no doubt about that. You can go on about Olympics
and other stuff, but that that's that's the day in
my life when I was the most proud of Varquiueing.
(17:31):
So so yeah, just up to your exact question, though,
I think it is a bit of product in terms
of you know, obviously it's gone through the fast cats,
but but yeah, I'm still a huge fan of the
America's Cup. You've got to be a huge I like
to love it with whatever direction it takes because it's, yeah, yachting.
It really was brought to the world's tension there and
(17:53):
what's what we did executive what Australia in maybe three
So there was there was there was a chance of hey,
we can whatever the audience can do, we can do.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Better, and we did. It took a while, and I
think it's fa a focal point is concerned back then
in the mid nineties.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
It did.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It dragged everybody, and I wonder if the people understood
or cared about the yachting. It was more the parochial
side of it. And people just love being on board this.
This on board, excuse the pun this this national movement
of pride and something we are doing up against the world.
And I'd suggest that there was more of that than
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there was actually people enjoying the sailing.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
I think it was quite important while we continually choked
in creaking and rugby and choked another sports that this
is actually pretty awesome. Okay, I'll leave it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Back awesome, Thanks so much for your call, Conrad. This
is sports stock on news storks. There'd be twenty five
past seven thirty years since Russ Coots, Peter Black or
the crew tore off to San Diego and flogged in
America's Cup and dragged it back head in New Zealand
and the rest is history. If you'd like to talk
to me about that, and I really keen to know
(19:10):
is it a better product? And you might dag issue
with this concept that I don't think New Zealand would
be so engaged with sailing back then. It was what
it meant to the nation. It was this focal point.
It was everyone climbing on board and going, you know what,
this is us against all of you, and we're going
(19:30):
to buy a goddamn sucks and we're gonna have an
absolute field day because this is us against them. And
I think that's what focused everybody.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm right. But also,
how has it changed? Is it a better product? Joey
Allen and owlass caller Conrad. I love it now. Yeah,
it should be here. Absolutely. Yes, it's lost some of
its energy, but thirty years ago at all the energy
in the world. Good day, Kyle, have a game, mate,
(20:00):
very good. What about yourself?
Speaker 11 (20:02):
I was just talking to you as the guy picked up,
and I was pro yes, producer ants good man. I
rang my old man after listening to your show, and
I was like, Dad, I remember this moment. And I
was nine years old, mate, and it was it was Yeah,
it was massive back then, to be fair, and.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It dominated everything, didn't it do.
Speaker 11 (20:26):
I loved it and then and then the and then
the repeat that was great, like and I was only
nine years old, and I remember, and I even I
even said the old man I was like, yeah, after
all the win and everything, but like, how gutted Dennis
o connor was Dennis o connor, wasn't it?
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (20:44):
How gutted he was?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Um?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Who was? Actually?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it was Dennis Connor, Not O'Connor. That's James O'Connor,
but Dennis Connor because I interviewed for him for a
podcast a few years back, Superior Sailor Series. It was
an ultimately lovable, likable guy, but it was there was
Paul Holmes' very first night on Holmes Yeah, and he
triggered him and he out and stormed off and it
(21:07):
probably made Omes' career. Yes, yes, the throat interesting. Hey Kyle,
thanks for your call, mate, looking for more? I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Is it a better product? Thirty
years since that crazy, crazy regatta seven thirty one sports
talk on that news talk ze Begad the evening them
to Arcy water Grave forty your calls? I one hundred
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eighty ten eighty, thirty years since the America's Cup became
New Zealand's Cup. Is it a better product? It was very,
very different back then. The coverage, the sailing, all of it,
the energy was phenomenally different, different, but those of us
who were there and saw it unforgettable. I can't quite
(21:56):
remember the cheap suit I was wearing, or the house
I was standing in a memorial drive and I was
trying to sell it. I remember standing there watching it.
It was a stunning day. Was done in time? Has
it improved? Is it a better product since then?
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Good?
Speaker 10 (22:12):
Rob, Darcy Hagang, you're good.
Speaker 13 (22:18):
Hey, Hey, listen. I was just listening to you talking
about the America's Cup and I look, I look, you know,
as you.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Would have gathered. I'm Australian.
Speaker 13 (22:28):
And you made the comment earlier before about whatever. I
just I was just can do the cuiers can do better?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Someone else said that I just backed them up for you.
Speaker 13 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, So I just I just want to remind
you that in nineteen eighty three that we actually did win,
We actually took it off the Americans for the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh yeah, Fremantle, how could you forget? You couldn't see
it because they sailed about four hundred utical miles out
of the middle of the Indian Ocean. Then they came back.
Who it was, John Bertram, wasn't it the Alan bonds
broke Alan Bond's boat.
Speaker 13 (23:13):
Yeah, Bondy, Bondy financed it and Bertram was the skipper
and the guy who designed I can't remember, but yeah. Look,
you know, like you're looking at the evolution of the
America's Cup and how far it actually has come. You know,
like you look at the technology with sailing. You know,
(23:34):
the finn Keel was a was a it was cutting
was considered cutting edge technology. You know when when when
they when Van Laxen designed the boat, you know, and
they guarded that with their lives. You know, how how
far have we traveled, you know down that that technology
continuum it's now you know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's huge, It is huge. It's not only the boat designed,
but it's the way it's raced. It's the coverage, it's
the the technically expect tease around the actual covering of
the bean. And what we've got. You couldn't find two
sports much different that are called the same thing.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Could you.
Speaker 14 (24:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (24:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (24:13):
And and so when they when that, when they when
they won the America's Cup in Fremantle, it actually changed
the entire landscape of Fremantle. Uh, the entire the entire
front landscape, the foreshore of Fremantle changed completely added millions
(24:37):
tens of hundreds of millions of dollars to the economy,
and and uh and and completely transformed perth of the city,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And it was amazing for Auckland when it turned up too.
And you look at the effect that had on the nation.
It was extraordinary. And I don't want to go one
up in you again, but you guys might have had
a chance in ninety five to do it. But didn't
you sink your boat?
Speaker 7 (25:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (25:01):
I think it fell. I think it actually split in.
I think it split in half.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Sorry and help myself you start up. Hey, good on
your roll, mate, Thanks for the memory. Thanks for calling
l eight hundred eighty ten eight Hello Shane.
Speaker 14 (25:15):
Hey, but dussy hay game.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But you were going to call me buddy. Oh you did.
That's nice. I'm good buddy yourself.
Speaker 14 (25:22):
Hey. Look, I was sixteen when we won the America's Cup,
the Great America's Cup, and it came back to came
back to New Zealand, and I was at college at
the time, and they gave us they gave us a
free pass at college. So we went into the parade
and it came down lamp and key and all that
(25:42):
sort of stuff and it was absolutely amazing. And the
whole Red Sox thing it was.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I remember that there was one on Lampton Key as
well as one up Queen Street, wasn't it in the
place to stop?
Speaker 14 (25:53):
Yeah, the whole city come to a standstill. And the
parade that came down lamp and Key and Willis Street,
it was absolutely amazing and I felt like it's a
part of history. And the whole red Sock thing was.
It was amazing. But it doesn't seem to be that
sort of love for it anymore, like we won it
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and there was no parade. There was what there might
have been, but but not like it was when we
won it back in ninety five. You know, Like, I
just don't think we have the love for it that
we that we used to have for it.
Speaker 13 (26:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 14 (26:32):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I'll tell you why. It's pretty simple. The one reason
it's not here anymore. We don't feel attached to it
because it's not here anymore. It's been it's in the
middle of the night. We don't get to see it.
So that's one thing, it's not here, we don't have that.
The other thing is they're back in ninety five, you
didn't get as much sport on the television. This is
on free to wear. It went right across the nation.
(26:56):
There was a cause, a driver. I'm assure that someone
used the word. The red sock campaign was very organic,
so everybody had skin in the game, and you couldn't
watch numerous sports all over the world, and there was
no Internet. It was very here and now us against
the world. So there's a number of reasons it's.
Speaker 14 (27:17):
Going on point.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, So when the last time we won the America's Cup?
What year was the last time we won the America's Cup?
When do we won it last time around? Yeah, it
was twenty twenty, twenty twenty one? Was that the last time?
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What do we want before that? And it came back,
there's no way you'd choke up city streets with fans celebrating.
Just hasn't got.
Speaker 14 (27:43):
Choked up the whole city, Like it just doesn't happen anymore.
And it was so exciting and it was so like
everyone was involved. But now it's just like, oh, yeah,
we won the America's Cup. It just doesn't seem it
doesn't there's no shrill anymore. Like I just I just
I just don't give it. But maybe you're right. Maybe
(28:05):
maybe the facts that you know, it's just I just
don't get it. I would love to experience it again,
the thrill and the you know, hey we've won the
America's Cup, you know, but it's just not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Sill work out. When was it San Francisco? It was
at twenty thirteen when we picked it up, and then
or do we lose it then? And then I think
it was Bermuda, then Auckland and but I've got to
get my orders wrong. I'm all out of sync. But
I don't think it'll ever reach that stage again. Shane,
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And thanks very much for your call. Lines are open,
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's twenty one
minute away from eight o'clock. More of your calls coming
up next, more of your texts as well. Someone's going
to ring me out and going, man mate, you've got
your years all wrong. Just going back through our memory,
because there was the defense, wasn't there, and that was
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in twenty twenty one because that was COVID time and
he couldn't move or breathe or do anything. And so
the win was in twenty seventeen. Was it was Bermuda
because we had lost at the year of the time
before with Dean Barker, when old James Spiddle direcked it
(29:27):
for everybody, it's twenty to eight forty three, what's call
it was lots of text to come and Tony's pointed
that is right. The whole Freemantle thing was the defense,
(29:48):
the first defense of the America's Cup, and dats I
think crystallized in the minds of New Zealanders because it
was right here, right there. Because of course the defense
was over at America and Dennis Connor blew up and
then he went back again later on Tony, thanks for
pointing that out. Oh memories a TG sport and News
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dot in z's the phones we go. Good evening to you, Richard.
Speaker 9 (30:34):
Hey, Hi Darcy Hi, you guys. Memories all the way,
but shaky, I must say, yes, I remember it all
pretty well because I was actually a Newport, Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Right there you go. I think what the freemantle came
into our focuses to see before, because suddenly it was
in our backguard. It's oh my lord, we got a
chance of that. But yeah, you can't win the America's
Cup at home. You've got to win it somewhere else.
Although that's changed now, hasn't it. So yeah, that's what's
been point about.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
But your your caller who's here doesn't have the same
glass as the head in San Diego or Auckland. When
we first defended it, it was quite right. But but
things are never the same once you, once you get
used to them. I mean, the inn the Rugby World
Cup never quite the same again.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And the energy around eighty seven was massive because that
was the first World Cup and they won it, and
then after all those stumblings when twenty eleven won it
back again, that had that, didn't it?
Speaker 9 (31:32):
Oh yeah, yeah that was pretty cool. During that game,
I was on the bloody plane on the way to Australia.
That was bad timing. Yeah, Newport, Rhode Island when the
I is one that was amazing. There were when they
took the took the cover off WHI showed the public
the keel for the first time. They lifted the boat
out of the water and and and uncovered the keel.
(31:57):
That was Everyone was so amazed because no one Everyone
knew there was a fancy keill, but no one knew
what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, it was all of that sub diffuge, wasn't it.
That would go went on with the America's Cup. It became
a part of all a huge part of it.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
And there were boats you could walk. You could walk
for fifty meters one hundred meters across boats without having
to jump. They were so packed.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So they wrap it up together and yeah, how good
it was. So Dennis kind of lost him, but then
he came back and he went up baking.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Didn't he He went it back again. Yeah, and then
then of course they that was I think that was
the last of the twelve meters And because they were
dogs anyway, they are terrible boats. We were actually sailing
in from watching one of the races and in a
Kiwi Wetbred boat that were taken over they'd taken over
(32:51):
to you bought to watch the races, and and she
was only three quarters the size of the America's cupboats.
We just sailed past them like they were standing still.
But they were designed to a very ancient rating role.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So they ate the twelve meters there for a while.
I'm not quite sure if it was the last time around.
But when did it move across? When did k Z
turn up? When did those things? And then it went
to Tata morines and all sorts of madness, didn't it?
Speaker 9 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, course Freemantle was the last of the twelve meters.
Speaker 16 (33:24):
I'm pretty sure you go.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Hey, Richard, we're going to go. We've got plenty of
callers online. Thanks for bringing out. Thanks for we I'm
a corrector. I love being corrected. But we got caught
up with the glory. But didn't we mark.
Speaker 16 (33:35):
It's got I mean, Richard's very cool.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
You know.
Speaker 16 (33:37):
I think maybe need to please think to wave it
before you start bringing up the top as well.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, someone rang up. We all got excited and celebrated.
I mean, we're all fallibraate you know. Off Thanks for
the real assurance and the positivity.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
I love your work.
Speaker 16 (33:57):
Well going you know, but no, that's good. I mean
twenty years ago we should celebrate.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You know, it was precisely there was a little slur
we talked through.
Speaker 16 (34:08):
It was, you know, it was a great time. The
paper Blake, Russell coach. You know the words, wow, amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Tom Snackenberg, Joey Allen.
Speaker 16 (34:22):
Put on your buddy Flurry.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
The list goes on. But you know that thanks for
raining on our parade choice Lance, Hi Darcy, how you
made Thank you.
Speaker 12 (34:38):
You've touched on a great subject for me, touched something
in my heart. Look, I'm not a yachtie at all,
and I'm no technical guy, but I tell you, mate,
when what affected me? I heard Peter Blake got killed
on a yacht. I was working over seas in a remote,
(35:00):
very desolate place.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Was pirates and there's pirates here.
Speaker 12 (35:08):
He got shot. He come up with a gun and
the pirates shot him, and and that's you know, he's
they're protecting his family. He had done his things for
the country, he'd built him He'd ended up owning an
adventurous yacht. Like I'm only reading, I'm only reiterating what
(35:29):
I know and have read, so I'll be corrected if
I'm wrong, but I can tell something. It's like a
lot of kiwis in New Zealand, Darcy. That really affected
me here that had passed and what he's done for
the country, especially for Auckland. I'm an Orklander. Unfortunately that
(35:54):
whole viaduct has been redeveloped because of what he did.
Those quirky little things like how he wore those red
socks that'd only come out right at the end. That's
how he used to turn up every day wearing his
red sox on those special race days. And we heard
those stories.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And it wasn't a social media driven or internet driven
because that didn't if a lot more organic, wasn't it.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
Lance.
Speaker 12 (36:24):
It was completely organic, and he just he just captured
the whole nation. Obviously he was quite something to you know,
to look at it. He was a commanding sort of
presence and obviously you needed that to lead a team
like that and challenge what is probably you know, again,
(36:45):
I'm not a yachtie, but that was a massive challenge,
and you know, I realized that he's passing. What that
whole event Darcy meant to myself, as you know, I'm
fifty five now, but you realize how a guy like that,
and that whole campaign affected people. It was like David
(37:07):
against the Lass. It was extraordinary and it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Wasn't It wasn't bought, it wasn't forced upon people. It
was a magic in the nation. People they picked up
and they ran with it. Lance, We're gonna fly time money,
I have neither. Thanks so much for your call, though,
I think you've figured what a lot of people are
thinking around that time thirty years ago today, Ken with
(37:32):
you shortly made plenty of texts as well as the
New Stalks bit.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
So I'm dancing with Lise.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Still see you?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So st eight you can't fit David dom In because
I'm really interested in your calls. If you want to
hear David Dome talking about Rex and by all means
New Stalks, eb dot, co dot and Zebra stick it online,
you can take a listen there right back to the
phone calls that we go.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
Keen, Hello, how's it gone?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Does it's gone?
Speaker 11 (38:13):
Good?
Speaker 12 (38:14):
King?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (38:16):
Oh?
Speaker 15 (38:16):
We should be celebrating. Oh thirty years ago, Man, that
was the biggest three junior elevation rock?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Does were you the elevation rock?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But how old were you then? King?
Speaker 14 (38:31):
Thirty thirty years old.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
So yeah, you have very much set in your mind.
What was the big thing that popped out for you?
Speaker 15 (38:39):
I was in Sydney, Australia, made on when over there
to go work. Does it was a few of us?
Speaker 11 (38:46):
Does?
Speaker 15 (38:47):
Correct me?
Speaker 14 (38:47):
If for long?
Speaker 15 (38:48):
Do we it was sailed against Australia. Do we beat
Australia to get to America? Correct me if I'm wrong?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I wonder because it was nineteen eighty three when it
got taken in eighty seven.
Speaker 17 (39:14):
No, I actually don't know before like ninety ninety three,
because it was picked up and so in ninety five
do we actually.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Get through Australia? That's what you're asking, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I honestly don't know. I wish I could tell you.
I really don't know. Was what stars and stripes was
young America?
Speaker 15 (39:41):
Yes? Yes, But any way back to you one Australia.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It was one Australia and the Louis vuittone Cup Final,
Thank you very much. Antsy was onto that like a flash.
So there you go. We did thirty years. I don't
know when memories gone? Does it really matter?
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Get it?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I've got I've got ants got I run.
Speaker 18 (40:04):
I just quickly. We have a great night to us,
great great subject. I'm interested in the subject. They rich White.
I think we owe a lot to them. They started
this whole, this whole thing off way back and way
back when we went to Fremantle. But I was working
(40:25):
in Los Angeles with a friend around about eighties when
the Big Boat Challenge took was on in San Diego.
It's a little bit of information, and I remember before
the Internet, we were trying to find out what was
going on in San Diego and there was just to
give you the scope of how little interested was for
(40:46):
the America's Cup in the States, we found a little
a little inch by inch Colin in the Los Angeles
Times that said the Kiwi boat was beaten handsomely by
Dennis Connells catamaran. That's just a little bit of Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Was then, this is now on. We've got to depart.
I'm being elbowed out of the seat by Marcus last
figurative e. Of course he's not at the studio right now.
If he was, he would be. And it's mintle such
things for providing all the support and the technical expertise
as well much appreciation I thanks ladies and gentlemen for
calling through the good, the bad and the indifferent. What
(41:28):
a wonderful day it was, and Darcy Watergrave signing up
catch again tomorrow's News
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Evening. We are going to sports thor Grady every bag
on board. Oh, I'm pleased to be here. We all
love a weekend. But come the end of Monday, I'm
stir crazy. I need to get back into the studio
and shouted people talk to people about sport on Darcy
water Grave. Good evening, it's seven after seven on its
Tuesday's thirteenth to May tween t tween ty five. What
(00:37):
on earth was head of Plaicy Ellen saying about Rico
Joanni getting peoped with texts about how he looks. Never
thought people cared with rugby players. Go figure less on
that though, More on what we've got for you tonight
and what do we have for you tonight? Well, thirty
years ago today, something quite extraordinary happened over in the
(00:58):
United States of America. What was it? Well, we know
what Peter Montgomery said, We know that the Americas up
there's now the New Zealand's Cup. But well, now New
Zealand's Cup, I think it still is, although I'm not
really sure where it is, but apparently it's still ours.
But they had triggered at all, Peter Blake as he
(01:21):
was then and his merry bunch of men went to
beat up on the Americans and the old mug was
New Zealand's. It was an extraordinary day. It was wonderful,
and we're going to talk about that after we talked
with Bauman Joey Allen. He joins us to look back
thirty years ago at what that meant and how that
(01:45):
felt when the America's Cup was finally rested back to
New Zealand by the crew of Team New Zealand. We're
just playing on Team New Zealand then, so we'll be
talking with Joey Allen shortly, and then we're going to
take your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty around
the Cup. Has it actually got any better over the
(02:08):
time it's been thirty years, How has it developed? How
has it changed? Is it better than it was? Are
they good parts? Are their bad parts? We want to
talk about this because it really is. Today's a thirty
ye anniversary of one of the biggest days in modern
New Zealand sport. Even though it was last millennia. I
can still say modern because I remember it toward the
(02:30):
end of the show, David Dome joins us. He's the
general manager of the Phoenix. Some film stars where the
football team attached to them are coming to Wellington. The
Phoenix are taking on Wrexham. Dare I say it? But
I shall. Wellington's welcome for Wrexham and we'll talk about
that with David Dome toward the end of the program.
(02:52):
That is our plan, That's what we go. Oh my god,
I'm just got a text saying that heathern name dropped
me tonight. Well, well, well, haven't I risen up in
the rankings? Names dropped by Heather Plice Allen, I've done
it to her twice now. Anyway, enough of that, let's
get away from that. Let's get onto this today. What's
that guy again? Because in Sports Today, Rica Jouanni, the
(03:15):
All Black and Blue center.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Is off to Ireland for a cash grape. Sorry, that's sabbatical, fosh.
He trolled the Irish and the Lenster hero Johnny Sexton
after the All Blacks put them firmly in their Rugby
World Cup quarter finalist hole and really upset the fans
when he did it. So how they respond to Rico's
time at Lenster.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Fans will be fans and you know I'm a stranger.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It's a bit of a bit of this.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
He needs more of this and I love the side
of the game and it is what seems fifty to
fifty And yeah, will you have to wait to see
when I'm over there.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
They'll hate you un till it start scoring tries. It's
pretty simple. That's your currency. Warriors hooker Wade Egan has
responded to his name being put up as a possible
origin rep. Five years is fifty, isn't it? As a
war is actually showing he's got that we humble down packed.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's pretty cool just to sort of be mentioned in
that sort of arena. Obviously, when you're a kid, you
sort of grow up watching it and dreaming about it,
and that would be very cool experience. But I just
I said before, just sort of trump pay my best
for the Warriors and sort of get results here and
just let the footy sort of take care ofself.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
A crazy year. That'd be well worth their time to
pick your Timberwolves. That shooting guard Anthony Edwards said his
team got to spray at halftime from the coach. He
responded with thirty points as they ended up the beating
Golden State one seventeen to one ten to go three
one up in the NBA's Western Conference semi Finals. Think
you with ESPN.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
We came in at halftime, coach told is like, man,
we playing like some losers. We got to lose the
mentality right now. And we wasn't being addressing on defense.
He wasn't being aggressive on offense. We was just playing
so loose. We wasn't attacking the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And Greg Turner has spoken off the lack of a
pen trougl the night riding round on Ryan Fox back.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
So you can just go out there and play, and
you know, we am with a view on how well
can I do and what can I add to that,
rather than having in the back of your mind you know,
I've got to play. I'm going to play quite a
lot just to make sure I keep my playing rights.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And that's sport today. All right, let's talk about the
wonderful day thirty years ago. Today. The America's Cup is
now New Zealand's Cup. Infamous famous, not infamous. Famous words
from Peter John Montgomery pjmont Commentary as I sometimes call him.
(05:35):
And it was all based on the back of New Zealand,
finally finally getting the old mug back to New Zealand
by beating an American team over in America. How good
was that? And a man who was there on about
Joey Allen, He joins us now to discuss that day
thirty years ago today. Welcome to the show, Joey. I'm
(06:01):
very well mate, are you celebrating the thirty years? Did
you wake up this morning and go?
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Was that three decades ago since thee won the America's gup?
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Completely forgot about it in the dentist chair when you
were when you were bothering me. I was sitting in
the dentist chair getting the teeth drilled out. So no,
completely forgot about it.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But what do you remember about it now? Because it
seems like a lifetime ago that it happened. It was
in the mid nineties, for crying out loud to me,
it's a distant memory. But it was such a huge
event in New Zealand sport, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Look the memories are real and they don't they don't fade,
you know, the yachting. I struggled to remember the yachting.
But you know, guys, I just remember the you know,
the memories were the guys, the team. It was just
a phenomenal bunch of people, it really was. And yeah,
those memories are with you forever.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
How did you get hauled into it?
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Joe?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You've been sailing your entire life. I expect you, you know,
it came out sailing. But you know what late thirties
you were. How did you get hold into this? What
was your drive?
Speaker 9 (07:07):
Well?
Speaker 8 (07:08):
I was just you know, a stereotypical yachtie banging around
the harbor. And I'll be honest, I got a phone
called from Russell Coots, who I had have to say.
We went the best of mates. You know through going
through the Auckland yachting scene is pretty brutal, and we
had a couple of good biffs you know, on the
harbor and didn't get off to a great start. But
(07:29):
one day he rang me a year before the regatta
and said, would you be interested in sailing with me
in the American's Cup? And you know it was a
little bit hisn'tant because we went. We went on the
best terms. But when you read out the crew, he said,
look this is who I'm trying to get hold of,
and these are the people I want to take I
just said, mate, I'm not missing out on that. That's
that's you know, they're going to have to be very
(07:51):
very good to beat those guys, you know, and beat
that team and beat the way it was organized.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
And it was an absolute.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
No brainer to sign up right there and then, even
though it was a year before it actually happened.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You talk about the team and there are so many
names now but still reverberate around yachting circles and sporting circles.
Cepated Blake plainly one of them. You had Russell Coots,
who's extraordinary, Tom Schnackenberg. But there was a few guys
that maybe have paled into history so much. But it's
all about all of them, the likes of the the
(08:26):
Simon Daubeney's for example. There were so many guys who
were so integral to that team.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Yeah, everyone, you know, put put in a massive effort
and it was it's hard to describe, but you know,
we we Everyone talks about mental strength and mental toughness,
and that strong had a serious confidence bordering on arrogance
about it.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
You know, the.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Daubseys, and they all had their roles. A lot you know,
it might have been humor, It might have been aggression.
It might have been physicality, It might have been intelligence,
it might have been artistic flair. Everybody contributed, you know,
and created this monster of a very very very successful
yachting crew, you know, yachting team.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When you were getting close to actually lifting the cup?
How did the energy change amongst the team? But of
course the whole country behind you, everyone's going mad, all
their red socks on that the pressure that must have
been bearing down on you wall did that affect this
team much?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Look, it was a different time.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
It was before the internet, and we we were, you know,
doing a yachting regatta in San Diego, and we didn't
really you know, appreciate the you know, the magnitude of
how what was happening back in Auckland, back in New Zealand.
You know, we were I do remember when we've crossed
the finishing line, the.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Feeling of.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
The relief. It was a relief more than anything of
just not having to go out day after day after
day and perform at a very very high level.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
You know, it was more of a feeling of a
relief for me to and to be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You sailed in the regatta. It was pretty intense of
a short period of time. You build up you'd just
come off sailing around the world. Joey Yellen, that's quite
an interesting transition.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Well, I mean for Dean Phips and I, who were
the two boundmen on the front of the yacht, it
couldn't have been a a better platform, you know, we
would We were doing those those those sale changes that
you saw in the cup, we were doing those in
the middle of the night, you know, and dark in
the southern Ocean. We were we were very, very very
(10:40):
confident and that you know, we could perform it at
that and above that level and maybe set the bar
as far as crewek goes. And you know, we had
Robbie Nasmith, we had bread Butterworth, Tony Ray, we had
guys that had just smashed themselves around the world straight
into that and the Americans at that time.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Weren't really doing the ocean racing as we were, you know,
So I got to be honest, there's a little bit
of arrogance about us.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You probably need that though, don't you a lot of
strong personalities trying to win one of the biggest prizes
in world sport.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yeah, you need, you need everything, but you're you're also need.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
There was one thing about that those guys and that
team is there was a lot of human There was
so much.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
That it was.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
Russell can be a very funny man, Brad Butter with
you know, Andrew Taylor, Craig Mark, some of those guys
are just in Simon.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Dubeney, they're just very very very funny men.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You guys ever get together, it's been it's been a
long time between drinks. Is there's still a relationship.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
With you or yeah, very much so, like it's it's
it's very very good to spend one on one with
one of them, but you kind of avoid getting too
many of them together because it you can go pretty
nasty pretty quick, you know, you know, you know, you
try and avoid the big ones. I'll be honest with
you. You know, I had to get away.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And your wildest dreams looking at where the America's Cup
is gone. You managed to rest that trophy and bring
it back here. It's just accelerated, not only from what
you were sailing, because it's very very different now, but
the size of it. Has it expanded in the right direction.
Do you think, well, it's certainly gone in a direction. Look,
(12:24):
I love watching America's Cup now, you know. And I
was at a party the other night with a lot
of the current the current team members and the guys
that are still very active in it, and look, you know,
it just felt that being in the room with them,
it just felt exactly the same. The camaraderie and all
of that side of it's still there. You know that
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the sport is it's insane to watch. You know, you
have to you have to love it. Not everyone will
agree with me, but I really really enjoy the direction
it's taken. I think it's fantastic. Joey Allen, thanks so
much for your time in these memories. Although I'm amazed
that after the event you've got any memories because I
think when a little little west, how do you feel
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about not being here anymore? It's a huge conversation around
defend that it once, it got it, but it's not
back in New Zealand. That must be a shot to
your kidneys.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
Look, the two Cups that were here were fantastic, and
yet it would be nice for it to be here.
But I fully understand the costs needed to run it,
and I get it. I understand why.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's not here.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Yeah, I'm really disappointed. I think it is an opportunity
that's gone. But hey, I'm still a massive America's Cup fan,
always will be.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yet on that Joey Allen, who not only is a
fantastic sailor America's Cup winner, but he's a co host
as well on our podcast Birds you got to get
out of there date. You're looking forward to connecting the
Cup again with you and Barbara Kendall as we carry
on making a ruckus. Hey, happy birthday mate, thirty years young.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
You're a good man. Does Thanks for the call, buddy.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men,
have yourself on eighty Sports Talk or on your whole
of sports news talks.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It be see sports Talk on that news Talk zeb
Joey Allen there abauma and he was in the sewer
for the whole of the America's Cup, but as he said,
he had plenty of times sailing around the world and
the dark doing the same thing, so it was a
walk in the part for him. Fascinating insight, especially around
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the effect they were having at the time they didn't
know for all young ones out there There was no
Internet back in the day. Didn't exist, right, No Instagram,
no Facebook, no Twitter, none of it wasn't there. But
we didn't know about things, and you know, it took
quite some time to get back there. Of course they
came back and Wolf looks what happened because that was
(14:55):
our massive day. I was selling second hand houses back then,
and I was standing in a living room doing an
open home memorial ab in christ Church, the house i'd listed,
watching it on the TV, shouting people the opening, what's
(15:16):
going on with that guy? Didn't matter? This is so good?
So the question for you, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
it's been thirty years? Is it a better product? Is
America's cup a better product? And how there are a
lot of angles on this one. It's been massively important
to us as a sporting nation. Cannot deny me that
(15:39):
is it a better product as it's evolved or has
it devolved? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We go
now to Conrad. Good evening to you, sir.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Yeah, hey, Darthy all in live Free to Wear TV
as well, by the way, I know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, there was no sky back then, was there. I
was like, hold on where was it on because I
was watching it on TV at this opening and I thought,
maybe I've just conjured that memory up out of nowhere. Maybe,
but it was right, Oh, it was.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
It was an awesome I think I'm glad you're open
with it because it was such a huge day and
I think you've got to remember, this is New Zealand
taking on the world. I mean, there was like twelve
challenges from around the world and it was such a
New Zealand challenge as well. The design of the boat,
everything about that, the crew, it was like we were
taking on the world and winning. And so it.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Was that it was that that's what it was. Because
America's Cup. Then people are all over it like a rash.
Everyone wanted a crack.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Right, that's right, and.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
You know, you won't probably bring it bring it up
on Friday. But of course there was a half a
million that took to the streets on the Wednesday, and
we'd come back when they were doing the you know,
the float parade around downtown Queen Street, but that was
three days later. So just on that actual morning, the
Sunday morning, Zilla in time, it was it was just
(17:09):
a case of you know, it's five Mill was other
stars of structure. It was over Dennis Connor, but the
whole story behind it was one of us winning. And
I think that's something in the Free Incident age was
was just so important. There was Disney that the day
I've been the most proud of to the Bikili. There's
no doubt about that. You can go on about Olympics
and other stuff, but that that's that's the day in
my life when I was the most proud of Varquiueing.
(17:31):
So so yeah, just up to your exact question, though,
I think it is a bit of product in terms
of you know, obviously it's gone through the fast cats,
but but yeah, I'm still a huge fan of the
America's Cup. You've got to be a huge I like
to love it with whatever direction it takes because it's, yeah, yachting.
It really was brought to the world's tension there and
(17:53):
what's what we did executive what Australia in maybe three
So there was there was there was a chance of hey,
we can whatever the audience can do, we can do.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Better, and we did. It took a while, and I
think it's fa a focal point is concerned back then
in the mid nineties.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
It did.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It dragged everybody, and I wonder if the people understood
or cared about the yachting. It was more the parochial
side of it. And people just love being on board this.
This on board, excuse the pun this this national movement
of pride and something we are doing up against the world.
And I'd suggest that there was more of that than
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there was actually people enjoying the sailing.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
I think it was quite important while we continually choked
in creaking and rugby and choked another sports that this
is actually pretty awesome. Okay, I'll leave it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Back awesome, Thanks so much for your call, Conrad. This
is sports stock on news storks. There'd be twenty five
past seven thirty years since Russ Coots, Peter Black or
the crew tore off to San Diego and flogged in
America's Cup and dragged it back head in New Zealand
and the rest is history. If you'd like to talk
to me about that, and I really keen to know
(19:10):
is it a better product? And you might dag issue
with this concept that I don't think New Zealand would
be so engaged with sailing back then. It was what
it meant to the nation. It was this focal point.
It was everyone climbing on board and going, you know what,
this is us against all of you, and we're going
(19:30):
to buy a goddamn sucks and we're gonna have an
absolute field day because this is us against them. And
I think that's what focused everybody.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm right. But also,
how has it changed? Is it a better product? Joey
Allen and owlass caller Conrad. I love it now. Yeah,
it should be here. Absolutely. Yes, it's lost some of
its energy, but thirty years ago at all the energy
in the world. Good day, Kyle, have a game, mate,
(20:00):
very good. What about yourself?
Speaker 11 (20:02):
I was just talking to you as the guy picked up,
and I was pro yes, producer ants good man. I
rang my old man after listening to your show, and
I was like, Dad, I remember this moment. And I
was nine years old, mate, and it was it was Yeah,
it was massive back then, to be fair, and.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It dominated everything, didn't it do.
Speaker 11 (20:26):
I loved it and then and then the and then
the repeat that was great, like and I was only
nine years old, and I remember, and I even I
even said the old man I was like, yeah, after
all the win and everything, but like, how gutted Dennis
o connor was Dennis o connor, wasn't it?
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (20:44):
How gutted he was?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Um?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Who was? Actually?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it was Dennis Connor, Not O'Connor. That's James O'Connor,
but Dennis Connor because I interviewed for him for a
podcast a few years back, Superior Sailor Series. It was
an ultimately lovable, likable guy, but it was there was
Paul Holmes' very first night on Holmes Yeah, and he
triggered him and he out and stormed off and it
(21:07):
probably made Omes' career. Yes, yes, the throat interesting. Hey Kyle,
thanks for your call, mate, looking for more? I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Is it a better product? Thirty
years since that crazy, crazy regatta seven thirty one sports
talk on that news talk ze Begad the evening them
to Arcy water Grave forty your calls? I one hundred
(21:30):
eighty ten eighty, thirty years since the America's Cup became
New Zealand's Cup. Is it a better product? It was very,
very different back then. The coverage, the sailing, all of it,
the energy was phenomenally different, different, but those of us
who were there and saw it unforgettable. I can't quite
(21:56):
remember the cheap suit I was wearing, or the house
I was standing in a memorial drive and I was
trying to sell it. I remember standing there watching it.
It was a stunning day. Was done in time? Has
it improved? Is it a better product since then?
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Good?
Speaker 10 (22:12):
Rob, Darcy Hagang, you're good.
Speaker 13 (22:18):
Hey, Hey, listen. I was just listening to you talking
about the America's Cup and I look, I look, you know,
as you.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Would have gathered. I'm Australian.
Speaker 13 (22:28):
And you made the comment earlier before about whatever. I
just I was just can do the cuiers can do better?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Someone else said that I just backed them up for you.
Speaker 13 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, So I just I just want to remind
you that in nineteen eighty three that we actually did win,
We actually took it off the Americans for the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh yeah, Fremantle, how could you forget? You couldn't see
it because they sailed about four hundred utical miles out
of the middle of the Indian Ocean. Then they came back.
Who it was, John Bertram, wasn't it the Alan bonds
broke Alan Bond's boat.
Speaker 13 (23:13):
Yeah, Bondy, Bondy financed it and Bertram was the skipper
and the guy who designed I can't remember, but yeah. Look,
you know, like you're looking at the evolution of the
America's Cup and how far it actually has come. You know,
like you look at the technology with sailing. You know,
(23:34):
the finn Keel was a was a it was cutting
was considered cutting edge technology. You know when when when
they when Van Laxen designed the boat, you know, and
they guarded that with their lives. You know, how how
far have we traveled, you know down that that technology
continuum it's now you know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's huge, It is huge. It's not only the boat designed,
but it's the way it's raced. It's the coverage, it's
the the technically expect tease around the actual covering of
the bean. And what we've got. You couldn't find two
sports much different that are called the same thing.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Could you.
Speaker 14 (24:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (24:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (24:13):
And and so when they when that, when they when
they won the America's Cup in Fremantle, it actually changed
the entire landscape of Fremantle. Uh, the entire the entire
front landscape, the foreshore of Fremantle changed completely added millions
(24:37):
tens of hundreds of millions of dollars to the economy,
and and uh and and completely transformed perth of the city,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And it was amazing for Auckland when it turned up too.
And you look at the effect that had on the nation.
It was extraordinary. And I don't want to go one
up in you again, but you guys might have had
a chance in ninety five to do it. But didn't
you sink your boat?
Speaker 7 (25:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (25:01):
I think it fell. I think it actually split in.
I think it split in half.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Sorry and help myself you start up. Hey, good on
your roll, mate, Thanks for the memory. Thanks for calling
l eight hundred eighty ten eight Hello Shane.
Speaker 14 (25:15):
Hey, but dussy hay game.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But you were going to call me buddy. Oh you did.
That's nice. I'm good buddy yourself.
Speaker 14 (25:22):
Hey. Look, I was sixteen when we won the America's Cup,
the Great America's Cup, and it came back to came
back to New Zealand, and I was at college at
the time, and they gave us they gave us a
free pass at college. So we went into the parade
and it came down lamp and key and all that
(25:42):
sort of stuff and it was absolutely amazing. And the
whole Red Sox thing it was.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I remember that there was one on Lampton Key as
well as one up Queen Street, wasn't it in the
place to stop?
Speaker 14 (25:53):
Yeah, the whole city come to a standstill. And the
parade that came down lamp and Key and Willis Street,
it was absolutely amazing and I felt like it's a
part of history. And the whole red Sock thing was.
It was amazing. But it doesn't seem to be that
sort of love for it anymore, like we won it
(26:16):
and there was no parade. There was what there might
have been, but but not like it was when we
won it back in ninety five. You know, Like, I
just don't think we have the love for it that
we that we used to have for it.
Speaker 13 (26:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 14 (26:32):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I'll tell you why. It's pretty simple. The one reason
it's not here anymore. We don't feel attached to it
because it's not here anymore. It's been it's in the
middle of the night. We don't get to see it.
So that's one thing, it's not here, we don't have that.
The other thing is they're back in ninety five, you
didn't get as much sport on the television. This is
on free to wear. It went right across the nation.
(26:56):
There was a cause, a driver. I'm assure that someone
used the word. The red sock campaign was very organic,
so everybody had skin in the game, and you couldn't
watch numerous sports all over the world, and there was
no Internet. It was very here and now us against
the world. So there's a number of reasons it's.
Speaker 14 (27:17):
Going on point.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, So when the last time we won the America's Cup?
What year was the last time we won the America's Cup?
When do we won it last time around? Yeah, it
was twenty twenty, twenty twenty one? Was that the last time?
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What do we want before that? And it came back,
there's no way you'd choke up city streets with fans celebrating.
Just hasn't got.
Speaker 14 (27:43):
Choked up the whole city, Like it just doesn't happen anymore.
And it was so exciting and it was so like
everyone was involved. But now it's just like, oh, yeah,
we won the America's Cup. It just doesn't seem it
doesn't there's no shrill anymore. Like I just I just
I just don't give it. But maybe you're right. Maybe
(28:05):
maybe the facts that you know, it's just I just
don't get it. I would love to experience it again,
the thrill and the you know, hey we've won the
America's Cup, you know, but it's just not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Sill work out. When was it San Francisco? It was
at twenty thirteen when we picked it up, and then
or do we lose it then? And then I think
it was Bermuda, then Auckland and but I've got to
get my orders wrong. I'm all out of sync. But
I don't think it'll ever reach that stage again. Shane,
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And thanks very much for your call. Lines are open,
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's twenty one
minute away from eight o'clock. More of your calls coming
up next, more of your texts as well. Someone's going
to ring me out and going, man mate, you've got
your years all wrong. Just going back through our memory,
because there was the defense, wasn't there, and that was
(29:03):
in twenty twenty one because that was COVID time and
he couldn't move or breathe or do anything. And so
the win was in twenty seventeen. Was it was Bermuda
because we had lost at the year of the time
before with Dean Barker, when old James Spiddle direcked it
(29:27):
for everybody, it's twenty to eight forty three, what's call
it was lots of text to come and Tony's pointed
that is right. The whole Freemantle thing was the defense,
(29:48):
the first defense of the America's Cup, and dats I
think crystallized in the minds of New Zealanders because it
was right here, right there. Because of course the defense
was over at America and Dennis Connor blew up and
then he went back again later on Tony, thanks for
pointing that out. Oh memories a TG sport and News
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dot in z's the phones we go. Good evening to you, Richard.
Speaker 9 (30:34):
Hey, Hi Darcy Hi, you guys. Memories all the way,
but shaky, I must say, yes, I remember it all
pretty well because I was actually a Newport, Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Right there you go. I think what the freemantle came
into our focuses to see before, because suddenly it was
in our backguard. It's oh my lord, we got a
chance of that. But yeah, you can't win the America's
Cup at home. You've got to win it somewhere else.
Although that's changed now, hasn't it. So yeah, that's what's
been point about.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
But your your caller who's here doesn't have the same
glass as the head in San Diego or Auckland. When
we first defended it, it was quite right. But but
things are never the same once you, once you get
used to them. I mean, the inn the Rugby World
Cup never quite the same again.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And the energy around eighty seven was massive because that
was the first World Cup and they won it, and
then after all those stumblings when twenty eleven won it
back again, that had that, didn't it?
Speaker 9 (31:32):
Oh yeah, yeah that was pretty cool. During that game,
I was on the bloody plane on the way to Australia.
That was bad timing. Yeah, Newport, Rhode Island when the
I is one that was amazing. There were when they
took the took the cover off WHI showed the public
the keel for the first time. They lifted the boat
out of the water and and and uncovered the keel.
(31:57):
That was Everyone was so amazed because no one Everyone
knew there was a fancy keill, but no one knew
what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, it was all of that sub diffuge, wasn't it.
That would go went on with the America's Cup. It became
a part of all a huge part of it.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
And there were boats you could walk. You could walk
for fifty meters one hundred meters across boats without having
to jump. They were so packed.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So they wrap it up together and yeah, how good
it was. So Dennis kind of lost him, but then
he came back and he went up baking.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Didn't he He went it back again. Yeah, and then
then of course they that was I think that was
the last of the twelve meters And because they were
dogs anyway, they are terrible boats. We were actually sailing
in from watching one of the races and in a
Kiwi Wetbred boat that were taken over they'd taken over
(32:51):
to you bought to watch the races, and and she
was only three quarters the size of the America's cupboats.
We just sailed past them like they were standing still.
But they were designed to a very ancient rating role.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So they ate the twelve meters there for a while.
I'm not quite sure if it was the last time around.
But when did it move across? When did k Z
turn up? When did those things? And then it went
to Tata morines and all sorts of madness, didn't it?
Speaker 9 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, course Freemantle was the last of the twelve meters.
Speaker 16 (33:24):
I'm pretty sure you go.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Hey, Richard, we're going to go. We've got plenty of
callers online. Thanks for bringing out. Thanks for we I'm
a corrector. I love being corrected. But we got caught
up with the glory. But didn't we mark.
Speaker 16 (33:35):
It's got I mean, Richard's very cool.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
You know.
Speaker 16 (33:37):
I think maybe need to please think to wave it
before you start bringing up the top as well.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, someone rang up. We all got excited and celebrated.
I mean, we're all fallibraate you know. Off Thanks for
the real assurance and the positivity.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
I love your work.
Speaker 16 (33:57):
Well going you know, but no, that's good. I mean
twenty years ago we should celebrate.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You know, it was precisely there was a little slur
we talked through.
Speaker 16 (34:08):
It was, you know, it was a great time. The
paper Blake, Russell coach. You know the words, wow, amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Tom Snackenberg, Joey Allen.
Speaker 16 (34:22):
Put on your buddy Flurry.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
The list goes on. But you know that thanks for
raining on our parade choice Lance, Hi Darcy, how you
made Thank you.
Speaker 12 (34:38):
You've touched on a great subject for me, touched something
in my heart. Look, I'm not a yachtie at all,
and I'm no technical guy, but I tell you, mate,
when what affected me? I heard Peter Blake got killed
on a yacht. I was working over seas in a remote,
(35:00):
very desolate place.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Was pirates and there's pirates here.
Speaker 12 (35:08):
He got shot. He come up with a gun and
the pirates shot him, and and that's you know, he's
they're protecting his family. He had done his things for
the country, he'd built him He'd ended up owning an
adventurous yacht. Like I'm only reading, I'm only reiterating what
(35:29):
I know and have read, so I'll be corrected if
I'm wrong, but I can tell something. It's like a
lot of kiwis in New Zealand, Darcy. That really affected
me here that had passed and what he's done for
the country, especially for Auckland. I'm an Orklander. Unfortunately that
(35:54):
whole viaduct has been redeveloped because of what he did.
Those quirky little things like how he wore those red
socks that'd only come out right at the end. That's
how he used to turn up every day wearing his
red sox on those special race days. And we heard
those stories.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And it wasn't a social media driven or internet driven
because that didn't if a lot more organic, wasn't it.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
Lance.
Speaker 12 (36:24):
It was completely organic, and he just he just captured
the whole nation. Obviously he was quite something to you know,
to look at it. He was a commanding sort of
presence and obviously you needed that to lead a team
like that and challenge what is probably you know, again,
(36:45):
I'm not a yachtie, but that was a massive challenge,
and you know, I realized that he's passing. What that
whole event Darcy meant to myself, as you know, I'm
fifty five now, but you realize how a guy like that,
and that whole campaign affected people. It was like David
(37:07):
against the Lass. It was extraordinary and it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Wasn't It wasn't bought, it wasn't forced upon people. It
was a magic in the nation. People they picked up
and they ran with it. Lance, We're gonna fly time money,
I have neither. Thanks so much for your call, though,
I think you've figured what a lot of people are
thinking around that time thirty years ago today, Ken with
(37:32):
you shortly made plenty of texts as well as the
New Stalks bit.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
So I'm dancing with Lise.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Still see you?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So st eight you can't fit David dom In because
I'm really interested in your calls. If you want to
hear David Dome talking about Rex and by all means
New Stalks, eb dot, co dot and Zebra stick it online,
you can take a listen there right back to the
phone calls that we go.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
Keen, Hello, how's it gone?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Does it's gone?
Speaker 11 (38:13):
Good?
Speaker 12 (38:14):
King?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (38:16):
Oh?
Speaker 15 (38:16):
We should be celebrating. Oh thirty years ago, Man, that
was the biggest three junior elevation rock?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Does were you the elevation rock?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But how old were you then? King?
Speaker 14 (38:31):
Thirty thirty years old.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
So yeah, you have very much set in your mind.
What was the big thing that popped out for you?
Speaker 15 (38:39):
I was in Sydney, Australia, made on when over there
to go work. Does it was a few of us?
Speaker 11 (38:46):
Does?
Speaker 15 (38:47):
Correct me?
Speaker 14 (38:47):
If for long?
Speaker 15 (38:48):
Do we it was sailed against Australia. Do we beat
Australia to get to America? Correct me if I'm wrong?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I wonder because it was nineteen eighty three when it
got taken in eighty seven.
Speaker 17 (39:14):
No, I actually don't know before like ninety ninety three,
because it was picked up and so in ninety five
do we actually.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Get through Australia? That's what you're asking, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I honestly don't know. I wish I could tell you.
I really don't know. Was what stars and stripes was
young America?
Speaker 15 (39:41):
Yes? Yes, But any way back to you one Australia.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It was one Australia and the Louis vuittone Cup Final,
Thank you very much. Antsy was onto that like a flash.
So there you go. We did thirty years. I don't
know when memories gone? Does it really matter?
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Get it?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I've got I've got ants got I run.
Speaker 18 (40:04):
I just quickly. We have a great night to us,
great great subject. I'm interested in the subject. They rich White.
I think we owe a lot to them. They started
this whole, this whole thing off way back and way
back when we went to Fremantle. But I was working
(40:25):
in Los Angeles with a friend around about eighties when
the Big Boat Challenge took was on in San Diego.
It's a little bit of information, and I remember before
the Internet, we were trying to find out what was
going on in San Diego and there was just to
give you the scope of how little interested was for
(40:46):
the America's Cup in the States, we found a little
a little inch by inch Colin in the Los Angeles
Times that said the Kiwi boat was beaten handsomely by
Dennis Connells catamaran. That's just a little bit of Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Was then, this is now on. We've got to depart.
I'm being elbowed out of the seat by Marcus last
figurative e. Of course he's not at the studio right now.
If he was, he would be. And it's mintle such
things for providing all the support and the technical expertise
as well much appreciation I thanks ladies and gentlemen for
calling through the good, the bad and the indifferent. What
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a wonderful day it was, and Darcy Watergrave signing up
catch again tomorrow's News
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