More details have emerged about the incident in Horowhenua-Kapiti where a referee was threatened.
All rugby games in the province have been called off this weekend because of the abuse.
College Sport Wellington director Bryan Dickinson and Wellington Rugby Refereeing Association chair Ian Dallas both spoke to D'Arcy Waldegrave on Sportstalk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sport today eleven minutes after seven. Let's get amongst the
rugby dramas around the referee abuse from the sideline which
kicked off, yes the day futed a couple of weeks back,
but it was put into place, the hammer came down,
the trigger was pulled and Hotto for our carpety Rugby
decided to close the shop if you will this weekend
(00:36):
after sideline abuse. We're going to go now to the
College Sport Wellington executive director Brian Dickinson to take a
look at this good evening. Brian, welcome to the program. You,
of course are the executive director of College Sport Wellington.
You've issued a release earlier today saying you stand in
(00:59):
full support of the referees with the recent decision made
by Hot Fur Company Rugby Football Union to defer all
those rugby match So in support of this decision, the
secondary schools on the Company Coast have collectively agreed to
defer their schedule rugby fixtures as well. So is this
on your watch? Is this something they decided through you
(01:20):
or something they kind of had to do because of
what happened up at the Company Coast game.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately the schools have made that decision.
We agree with it and support that decision. But it's
always good to get to a position where the schools
are making the decisions and taking on themselves. But no,
that was certainly sitting with the schools.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So why just the Company Coast area and Amana College
were a part of this, But why just that particular region?
How many schools does this actually affect?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Brian, Yeah, that was the bit that we have been
grappling with today. So our competition, we've got forty two
secondary schools in our region covering Wellington in Horror Funder Cavity,
and we do have a couple of schools that come
into our competition as well, and really trying to figure
out how do we support the referees and Horror Fenoway
(02:11):
Cavity's decision, but drawing a circle around you know what,
what what is if he can what's not? So we
feel that's the right We feel like it's fallen in
the right place with the Horror fenwic Ambety schools supporting
the decision. Man A College obviously because it was involved
the incident on the weekend, but no, the other the
other secondary school sport will go ahead of rugby will
(02:33):
go ahead on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
What engagement have you had with Wellington Rugby around this,
because plainly you're looking at college sport only you can't
go any further. Do you need their backing? Do you
need ends ours backing to make a call like this, Brian.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, we don't need specifically their backing, but certainly we've
been keeping Ning and Rugby in the in the loop.
I mean even even they were affected where there's junior
Horror Fenowy Cavity teams that they're playing a combined regional competition.
Now those clubs on the coast junior club has made
the call to stand their teams down this weekend. So
essentially there were secondary schools on the coast have made
(03:13):
the same decision.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Do you think still have any effects long term? Because
the whole idea behind what I hope, if you know
a carpet you have been doing is to try and
put a line under this end bolding and we're not
going to do this anymore. And this is maybe the
only way we can actually shake people out of their
funk to listen to us. Do you think this will work?
Is this going to have any effect?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Hopefully, I'm sure everyone Corey included hopes that this is
a one off that sends the right signal to be
able to pull leads on the sidelines. Can't guarantee that,
but hopefully that is the case.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I suppose it comes down to when you look at
all these school kids, well, how many school kids are
going to be affected over this weekend and the last
weekend before the holidays. A couple of hundred ie Presumingly
they'll be upset, but their parents and caregivers will be going, hey,
hold on, this is not right, and maybe that pushes
them into action sidelines and they go, no, we're not
going to put up with us anymore. I mean, that's
(04:06):
the idea, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It is. I've been across those Catholic schools and now
we've got six secondary school teams that had games this
schedule this weekend. I'm conscious that some of those teams,
for one reason other haven't actually played for the last
two or three weeks because of weather or what not.
So this is a pretty bit of pill to swallow
for some of those schools or teams that weren't involved
in this that essentially won't have a game for a
(04:30):
month or so until we come back and TWM three.
This is a small number of spectators that are not
behaving in the proper way. We don't want to cast allspectors.
Secondators on the sideline are acting untoward. But yeah, yeah,
we've got to just see in the right signals you.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Say, so you say spectators, Brian. From from what I
can gather, it was a coaching staff, the referees as
opposed to sideline spectators. It's all very muddled and foggy
because none of us are there. But to the best
of your knowledge, what actually occurred there.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, I'll see praying out into And one thing I
should say is horror. Fenial a company, because this game
happened in there in their PU area. They take the lead.
It's their judicial process. We're here to support that exactly
like we words if this had happened and way from
Rugby's region. So two things happen on the weekend within
the game. One is around the sideline behavior, poor language
(05:26):
and getting stuck into the referee, and the other one
is around an incident between the coach and the referee.
If you separate the two things out the coach referee
side of things, that'll go through a hearing with Horror
f capity. That hearing hasn't been held yet, and so
we'll respect that process and both sides can put their
put in the case forward and Horror Feneralickevity can work
(05:47):
their way through it. As far as just the straight
sideline behavior, that's essentially the principal reason why those those
games have been called off this weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I big was there, like how many people were engaged
in that? And was it? It didn't result in people
punching or throng. It was basically just just foul language
abuse from the sideline. And was this was that a
couple of people at group? What was the deal they do?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah? Correct, I mean I don't think it was it
was hundreds of It certainly wasn't hundreds of people. That
was scattering of people would probably be the best way
to describe it. So, No, it wasn't. It wasn't an
allarn And certainly the other incident is confined to just
a you know, the coach and the referee and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What's the reaction been from the company Coast teams and
from Manor College themselves. Have they come back to you
with anything. Are they taking this well?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean on the coast. I don't know if
you've seen in the social media there's that groundshoss for what.
Certainly the clubs are on board with it and the
schools supporting it as well. So what again, it was
the incision to call us off. We agree with it.
We think that's the right outcome. But those the schools
are fully on board.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Talking with Corey Kenna did yesterday saying hey, go, this
is a problem all over New Zealand. This is not
just around our district or area. Do you back that up?
This is actually a general issue on the ground right
across the mountain.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think sideline behavior is an issue across all sports.
To be honest, Rugby certainly has it's for a share
of it. I wouldn't say it has monopoly on it.
Certainly standards could be improved. I don't want to overstate it. Well,
I mean we certainly have great sideline behavior as well.
We just have to keep dealing with specific issues as
they arise. And I mean to Corey's point, we appreciate
(07:37):
that they've had issues within club fixtures, and it just
happened that this incident on the weekend happened to involve schools.
So yeah, that's what's triggered this decision.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So college sport Wellington. I have no covety Rugby Union.
Should this be actually in their court? Should New Zealand
Rugby actually be showing some form of leadership here and
maybe issuing their own edits as to what's acceptable and
what's not Because this is their game, surely they should
be ruling not necessary than I'm first but going hey,
(08:07):
we're going to do this, it's worked, behave. Is that
too much to ask that they take the need?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I think they are leading. We cover all sports in
the Wellington secondary school space. When I look at the
judicial process across the various sports, I do believe news
On Rugby has got the most robust and well organized
judicial process and they work their way through it. Could
they be tougher on behavior? I guess we probably all could.
(08:34):
I mean that's probably a conversation, but I mean certainly
news On Rugby's coming out today in support of the decision,
you know, I mean, ultimately it boils right down to club,
school and and individual responsibilities as well to get the.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Riffs call, you make the call on sports Talk on
your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And there it is part one of the two part
story around the referring dramas that we've had in Dallas.
Is going to join us shortly one and rugby referees
a boss as we look into this issue and just
joining us on the program. Then was Brian Dickinson, head
of College Sport Wellington, kind of clarify the issue here?
(09:19):
But I suppose right at the point at end, other referees,
they're the ones that take this stick. They're the ones
that to deal with this for nothing, well they might
do they get a whistle, maybe a hat and a
T shirt or just endless grief. Why would you sort
of talk about that we're joined now by in Dallas
(09:41):
in what do you.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Make of this?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well, we obviously totally support horror for it's horrible to
think that it's come to this and they've had the
web all to make this massive decision because it affects
a lot of people, a lot of people who have
trained and organized and managed players, etc. And families supporting
it are all going to miss out and that's hugely
(10:06):
disupporting in itself, but I think, you know, particularly with
the issues that they've had up there this year more
than ever, somewhere along the line, you've got to draw
a line in the sand, and to do this, I
think it's fantastic and we support them totally in that regard.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You say issues up there, as historically they've had a
bad time of sideline referee abuse. Is this something that's
quite common to the area or now.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't think they are any different than anywhere else really,
I mean, I would imagine everywhere has had the issues
over over time, just that unfortunately for them, this year
is really highlighted, and they've had a couple of seemingly
horrendous issues earlier on where people have been threatened, and
when it gets to that level, that's just totally unacceptable
(10:54):
and someone's going to do something. So to see that
actually up of a province is happy to get behind
their referee association and to make this kind of a
step is terrific because protecting people are out in the
middle or even ar and the sideline or any other
official any other sport, they've got to be protected and
they've got to be able to enjoy the sport that
(11:14):
they enjoy as much as people playing it. And if
people on the sideline are not allowing that, well it's
just a horrible scenario.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you think let's all have an effect that we
will notice as far as people responding from the sidelining, Hey,
you're actually wrecking our weekend now, you guys, you've got
to stop. Does this need to occur to maybe create
that ground swell of rejection amongst the good spectators to
stop this occurring?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, I totally agree with it in that regard, because
we can't just keep paying lip service to this kind
of thing, and people very quickly forget the little little
things we may do to try and stop this, you know,
banning someone from being on the sideline, which can you
or can't you do that?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
People just turn up anyway.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So for a whole association and province to stand up
and make this very very part is a great start,
because we're all in this together and everyone's got to
be joining together to stop it. And the more that
other members that public feel and emboldened to say something
to turn around and go okay, do you want to happen?
(12:21):
And again what happened last weekend? We had no rugby
at all, just cut it out. The more people are
in bolden to stand up and stop that kind of thing,
the better it's got to be. But so something of
this level is gold, I believe.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And your role as the one of the Rugby Referees
Association chairman, do you see an effect on the amount
of young referees who want to get into the sport
but are put off by such actions on the sidelind
does this have a palpable effect on your ability to
recruit people into the role. I'm sure it does.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
We've got no exact data around that, but where we
find it is around retaining referees. We lose referees, not
on a regular basis, but now and again, and it
still happened this year as well, where referees have said
it is because of the abuse, they're stepping away, And
I'm sure it does make it harder for us to
(13:18):
actually recruit as well, because people will hear that sitting
on the sideline if they're players themselves, and that's where
we'd love to get more referees from. But if they
know what goes on and go like I would never
do that. I don't want to be involved with that
or have to suffer that kind of behavior. Well, it
certainly does impact on us, and we're as short of
referees this year as we have ever been.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You say, as short as what are we looking at here?
The potential for games just not to go ahead because
there are no officials.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
In That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
There's a lot of games, not every weekend, but a
lot of weekends where we just cannot supply referees because
our numbers are so short, and those games only go
ahead if there's perhaps someone who's had an associate referee
course that they've done and able to referee, you know,
contested scrums. The odd parent might get involved at lower levels,
(14:08):
but I know and I'm aware of a lot of
them saying, look, we just don't want to do this anymore.
We get such a hard time. So, yes, a tough one.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And as far as he's in a rubia concerned because
this is their game, they are the overlords. They run
it allly, are you satisfied with what they provide as
far as input to stopping this kind of behavior? Are
they effective in that role?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I don't think they're doing as much overtly as they
could do. They're always supportive, but I think, you know,
there comes a time when they need to lead a
lot of it. You know, they are the overriding of
the game and this is a big issue. Referee numbers
right throughout New Zealand are down and if they can
(14:54):
lead it and drive that down through the provincial unions,
well then that's just got to be a good thing.
So yeah, I'd like to see some more avert leadership
from them in that regard.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sport today eleven minutes after seven. Let's get amongst the
rugby dramas around the referee abuse from the sideline which
kicked off, yes the day futed a couple of weeks back,
but it was put into place, the hammer came down,
the trigger was pulled and Hotto for our carpety Rugby
decided to close the shop if you will this weekend
(00:36):
after sideline abuse. We're going to go now to the
College Sport Wellington executive director Brian Dickinson to take a
look at this good evening. Brian, welcome to the program. You,
of course are the executive director of College Sport Wellington.
You've issued a release earlier today saying you stand in
(00:59):
full support of the referees with the recent decision made
by Hot Fur Company Rugby Football Union to defer all
those rugby match So in support of this decision, the
secondary schools on the Company Coast have collectively agreed to
defer their schedule rugby fixtures as well. So is this
on your watch? Is this something they decided through you
(01:20):
or something they kind of had to do because of
what happened up at the Company Coast game.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately the schools have made that decision.
We agree with it and support that decision. But it's
always good to get to a position where the schools
are making the decisions and taking on themselves. But no,
that was certainly sitting with the schools.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So why just the Company Coast area and Amana College
were a part of this, But why just that particular region?
How many schools does this actually affect?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Brian, Yeah, that was the bit that we have been
grappling with today. So our competition, we've got forty two
secondary schools in our region covering Wellington in Horror Funder Cavity,
and we do have a couple of schools that come
into our competition as well, and really trying to figure
out how do we support the referees and Horror Fenoway
(02:11):
Cavity's decision, but drawing a circle around you know what,
what what is if he can what's not? So we
feel that's the right We feel like it's fallen in
the right place with the Horror fenwic Ambety schools supporting
the decision. Man A College obviously because it was involved
the incident on the weekend, but no, the other the
other secondary school sport will go ahead of rugby will
(02:33):
go ahead on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
What engagement have you had with Wellington Rugby around this,
because plainly you're looking at college sport only you can't
go any further. Do you need their backing? Do you
need ends ours backing to make a call like this, Brian.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, we don't need specifically their backing, but certainly we've
been keeping Ning and Rugby in the in the loop.
I mean even even they were affected where there's junior
Horror Fenowy Cavity teams that they're playing a combined regional competition.
Now those clubs on the coast junior club has made
the call to stand their teams down this weekend. So
essentially there were secondary schools on the coast have made
(03:13):
the same decision.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Do you think still have any effects long term? Because
the whole idea behind what I hope, if you know
a carpet you have been doing is to try and
put a line under this end bolding and we're not
going to do this anymore. And this is maybe the
only way we can actually shake people out of their
funk to listen to us. Do you think this will work?
Is this going to have any effect?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Hopefully, I'm sure everyone Corey included hopes that this is
a one off that sends the right signal to be
able to pull leads on the sidelines. Can't guarantee that,
but hopefully that is the case.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I suppose it comes down to when you look at
all these school kids, well, how many school kids are
going to be affected over this weekend and the last
weekend before the holidays. A couple of hundred ie Presumingly
they'll be upset, but their parents and caregivers will be going, hey,
hold on, this is not right, and maybe that pushes
them into action sidelines and they go, no, we're not
going to put up with us anymore. I mean, that's
(04:06):
the idea, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It is. I've been across those Catholic schools and now
we've got six secondary school teams that had games this
schedule this weekend. I'm conscious that some of those teams,
for one reason other haven't actually played for the last
two or three weeks because of weather or what not.
So this is a pretty bit of pill to swallow
for some of those schools or teams that weren't involved
in this that essentially won't have a game for a
(04:30):
month or so until we come back and TWM three.
This is a small number of spectators that are not
behaving in the proper way. We don't want to cast allspectors.
Secondators on the sideline are acting untoward. But yeah, yeah,
we've got to just see in the right signals you.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Say, so you say spectators, Brian. From from what I
can gather, it was a coaching staff, the referees as
opposed to sideline spectators. It's all very muddled and foggy
because none of us are there. But to the best
of your knowledge, what actually occurred there.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, I'll see praying out into And one thing I
should say is horror. Fenial a company, because this game
happened in there in their PU area. They take the lead.
It's their judicial process. We're here to support that exactly
like we words if this had happened and way from
Rugby's region. So two things happen on the weekend within
the game. One is around the sideline behavior, poor language
(05:26):
and getting stuck into the referee, and the other one
is around an incident between the coach and the referee.
If you separate the two things out the coach referee
side of things, that'll go through a hearing with Horror
f capity. That hearing hasn't been held yet, and so
we'll respect that process and both sides can put their
put in the case forward and Horror Feneralickevity can work
(05:47):
their way through it. As far as just the straight
sideline behavior, that's essentially the principal reason why those those
games have been called off this weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I big was there, like how many people were engaged
in that? And was it? It didn't result in people
punching or throng. It was basically just just foul language
abuse from the sideline. And was this was that a
couple of people at group? What was the deal they do?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah? Correct, I mean I don't think it was it
was hundreds of It certainly wasn't hundreds of people. That
was scattering of people would probably be the best way
to describe it. So, No, it wasn't. It wasn't an
allarn And certainly the other incident is confined to just
a you know, the coach and the referee and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What's the reaction been from the company Coast teams and
from Manor College themselves. Have they come back to you
with anything. Are they taking this well?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean on the coast. I don't know if
you've seen in the social media there's that groundshoss for what.
Certainly the clubs are on board with it and the
schools supporting it as well. So what again, it was
the incision to call us off. We agree with it.
We think that's the right outcome. But those the schools
are fully on board.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Talking with Corey Kenna did yesterday saying hey, go, this
is a problem all over New Zealand. This is not
just around our district or area. Do you back that up?
This is actually a general issue on the ground right
across the mountain.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think sideline behavior is an issue across all sports.
To be honest, Rugby certainly has it's for a share
of it. I wouldn't say it has monopoly on it.
Certainly standards could be improved. I don't want to overstate it. Well,
I mean we certainly have great sideline behavior as well.
We just have to keep dealing with specific issues as
they arise. And I mean to Corey's point, we appreciate
(07:37):
that they've had issues within club fixtures, and it just
happened that this incident on the weekend happened to involve schools.
So yeah, that's what's triggered this decision.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So college sport Wellington. I have no covety Rugby Union.
Should this be actually in their court? Should New Zealand
Rugby actually be showing some form of leadership here and
maybe issuing their own edits as to what's acceptable and
what's not Because this is their game, surely they should
be ruling not necessary than I'm first but going hey,
(08:07):
we're going to do this, it's worked, behave. Is that
too much to ask that they take the need?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I think they are leading. We cover all sports in
the Wellington secondary school space. When I look at the
judicial process across the various sports, I do believe news
On Rugby has got the most robust and well organized
judicial process and they work their way through it. Could
they be tougher on behavior? I guess we probably all could.
(08:34):
I mean that's probably a conversation, but I mean certainly
news On Rugby's coming out today in support of the decision,
you know, I mean, ultimately it boils right down to club,
school and and individual responsibilities as well to get the.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Riffs call, you make the call on sports Talk on
your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And there it is part one of the two part
story around the referring dramas that we've had in Dallas.
Is going to join us shortly one and rugby referees
a boss as we look into this issue and just
joining us on the program. Then was Brian Dickinson, head
of College Sport Wellington, kind of clarify the issue here?
(09:19):
But I suppose right at the point at end, other referees,
they're the ones that take this stick. They're the ones
that to deal with this for nothing, well they might
do they get a whistle, maybe a hat and a
T shirt or just endless grief. Why would you sort
of talk about that we're joined now by in Dallas
(09:41):
in what do you.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Make of this?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well, we obviously totally support horror for it's horrible to
think that it's come to this and they've had the
web all to make this massive decision because it affects
a lot of people, a lot of people who have
trained and organized and managed players, etc. And families supporting
it are all going to miss out and that's hugely
(10:06):
disupporting in itself, but I think, you know, particularly with
the issues that they've had up there this year more
than ever, somewhere along the line, you've got to draw
a line in the sand, and to do this, I
think it's fantastic and we support them totally in that regard.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You say issues up there, as historically they've had a
bad time of sideline referee abuse. Is this something that's
quite common to the area or now.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't think they are any different than anywhere else really,
I mean, I would imagine everywhere has had the issues
over over time, just that unfortunately for them, this year
is really highlighted, and they've had a couple of seemingly
horrendous issues earlier on where people have been threatened, and
when it gets to that level, that's just totally unacceptable
(10:54):
and someone's going to do something. So to see that
actually up of a province is happy to get behind
their referee association and to make this kind of a
step is terrific because protecting people are out in the
middle or even ar and the sideline or any other
official any other sport, they've got to be protected and
they've got to be able to enjoy the sport that
(11:14):
they enjoy as much as people playing it. And if
people on the sideline are not allowing that, well it's
just a horrible scenario.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you think let's all have an effect that we
will notice as far as people responding from the sidelining, Hey,
you're actually wrecking our weekend now, you guys, you've got
to stop. Does this need to occur to maybe create
that ground swell of rejection amongst the good spectators to
stop this occurring?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, I totally agree with it in that regard, because
we can't just keep paying lip service to this kind
of thing, and people very quickly forget the little little
things we may do to try and stop this, you know,
banning someone from being on the sideline, which can you
or can't you do that?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
People just turn up anyway.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So for a whole association and province to stand up
and make this very very part is a great start,
because we're all in this together and everyone's got to
be joining together to stop it. And the more that
other members that public feel and emboldened to say something
to turn around and go okay, do you want to happen?
(12:21):
And again what happened last weekend? We had no rugby
at all, just cut it out. The more people are
in bolden to stand up and stop that kind of thing,
the better it's got to be. But so something of
this level is gold, I believe.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And your role as the one of the Rugby Referees
Association chairman, do you see an effect on the amount
of young referees who want to get into the sport
but are put off by such actions on the sidelind
does this have a palpable effect on your ability to
recruit people into the role. I'm sure it does.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
We've got no exact data around that, but where we
find it is around retaining referees. We lose referees, not
on a regular basis, but now and again, and it
still happened this year as well, where referees have said
it is because of the abuse, they're stepping away, And
I'm sure it does make it harder for us to
(13:18):
actually recruit as well, because people will hear that sitting
on the sideline if they're players themselves, and that's where
we'd love to get more referees from. But if they
know what goes on and go like I would never
do that. I don't want to be involved with that
or have to suffer that kind of behavior. Well, it
certainly does impact on us, and we're as short of
referees this year as we have ever been.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You say, as short as what are we looking at here?
The potential for games just not to go ahead because
there are no officials.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
In That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
There's a lot of games, not every weekend, but a
lot of weekends where we just cannot supply referees because
our numbers are so short, and those games only go
ahead if there's perhaps someone who's had an associate referee
course that they've done and able to referee, you know,
contested scrums. The odd parent might get involved at lower levels,
(14:08):
but I know and I'm aware of a lot of
them saying, look, we just don't want to do this anymore.
We get such a hard time. So, yes, a tough one.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And as far as he's in a rubia concerned because
this is their game, they are the overlords. They run
it allly, are you satisfied with what they provide as
far as input to stopping this kind of behavior? Are
they effective in that role?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I don't think they're doing as much overtly as they
could do. They're always supportive, but I think, you know,
there comes a time when they need to lead a
lot of it. You know, they are the overriding of
the game and this is a big issue. Referee numbers
right throughout New Zealand are down and if they can
(14:54):
lead it and drive that down through the provincial unions,
well then that's just got to be a good thing.
So yeah, I'd like to see some more avert leadership
from them in that regard.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
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