July 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Elliott Smith returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
AUNZ Invitational assistant coach Ian Foster ahead of their match against the Lions.
Talkback - do we need to ditch the TMO from rugby?
Former Blue Aaron Woods on Origin 3.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Evening. Welcome to sports Talk for Wednesday, the ninth of
July twenty twenty five. Alligant Smith and for Darcy this
week plenty doing tonight. Former All Blacks coach Ian Foster
standing by to join the program. He's in Adelaide as
an assistant coach with the Australia and New Zealand Invitational
fifteen to play the British and Irish Lions this Saturday.
(01:05):
Very much looking forward to that match, certainly something different
on the calendar. Intrigued to see how it goes. He'll
give us a bit of an idea of where that
team's at. They've only got into camp, I think Saturday
or Sunday, and just how much they can tell the
players before they play the Lions on Saturday night. Got
some of his old chargers in the as well this week,
David Harvilli in the Mixchan and Frazelle, a couple of
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other players that Ian Foster has coached and the All
Black level as well. He's going to join us in
a few moments time. And whether the team should be
a regular fixture on the rugby calendar. Ian Foster not
too far away from joining us on Sports Talk this evening.
Former New South Wales prop Aaron Woods on the show
as well, fourteen games for the Blues. He joins us
(01:48):
to look ahead to tonight's state of origin opener I sorry,
decider rather in Sydney, New South Wales one, Queensland one.
He's quickly become a favorite in the media since retiring.
He'll be calling the game tonight on Aussie radio on
Triple m Wich. Hant to Aaron get his take on
who he thinks will win, who do you think? And
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everything else origin related a bit later on this hour
on the program, Your calls in texts welcome right throughout
the show. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine
two for a text message, Ian Foster. Aaron Woods on
the program tonight, Your calls and texts welcome throughout. But
first and foremost we starts with football.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Clubro Cup Final awakes Chelsea and Samascus side.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I've tied it off, hearing New Jersey. Yes, Chelsea beating
Brazil's Flaminence to nil to advance to Monday's Club World
Cup Final, jal Pedro scoring both goals against his former team.
Chelsea now waits either Paris Aint Germain or Real Madrid
in the decider. That one is tomorrow morning from seven.
An impressive injury return for Della Martini's Lesniac weeks early
(03:01):
from an ankle injury for the Warriors Nral tussle against
the Tigers on Sunday at Mount Smart Stadium. He suffered
an ankle injury remember this against Penrith in round sixteen.
It was three rounds ago. He was meant to be
out for another three weeks. Coach Andrew Webster explains why
he's back on the park so early, just how hard
he's read.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I did peal well A medical teams done.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
They've done a fantastic job and Darn's ready to go.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
He's still got to tick some boxes later this week
in training, but he was out there to down training well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
To cycling and today Pokaca has started to wind up
the gears on the Tour de France. At the completion
of the one hundred and seventy eight kilometer stage four
into ru On, here goes Matchew Vander Poul Pikaccia wants
his hundredth when.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Thank You God is there it's gonna be yet again
for Catca Pagaccia.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
Goes with a finish line.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Now it's gonna be one hundred career wins. Indeed it was.
Matthia vander Poultz continues to wear the leader's yellow Jewsy though,
and the first semi finalists have been found at Wimbledon
women stop seeing a ring. A super link has been
in Laura sigmund in three, and Anisimova's advanced over Anastagia
pavlu Chinko in straight sets.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Such a battle today. I was up there in the
second set and yeah, she started to play some unreal
tennis and I just kept fighting and yeah, that's Hireak
was super stressful.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And in the men's tar that Taylor Fritz has accounted for,
Karen Hashanov in for all of the machine on the
Fritz again for the electronic line calling, carlors elkras Bet
and Cam Norrie in three and finally in sport today,
the Black Socks have opened the A Softball World Cup
campaign with an eight to three win over host Canada
Frans Dams shot by lovers from around the world rock
(04:40):
them for the w BFC Ben shop By World Cup Finals.
Speaker 9 (04:45):
Five wonderful.
Speaker 10 (04:49):
In Canada.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, hopefully the tournament goes a bit better than the
PA system that was. Let's talk rugby on Sports Talk
this evening. Ian Foster has joined Lea's Kisses coaching staff
for the Australian New Zealand inverte haational side. They played
the British and Irish Lions on Saturday night and Adelaide
just after the second Test between the All Blacks and France.
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They only got into camp a few days ago. Igan
Foster joins US now out of Adelaide. Ian, thanks so
much for your time once again on News Talk.
Speaker 9 (05:22):
ZB my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well how's it been in camp wearing the green and
gold and the black and white?
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Yeah, well it's we have we have Chuck Chuck all
about the ratio of green and gold are black, but
it's we've had a lot of fun connecting as a
group and the players have done an awesome job and
getting to know each other and obviously it was a
bit of a blend of the two countries here, but
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even's excited about the challenge and obviously played. The chance
to play the Lions is pretty cool and plus, I
guess for the Wallaby players is you know, with Lee's
kiss coaching, there's a chance to impressed the next not
Wallaby's coach too, So there's a pretty at stake.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
How do you blend that all in the space of
a week or thereabouts before you play on Saturday night.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
Yeah, look, we can't do We can't do too much,
can we.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
But it's a matter of giving a nice organizational structure
around the or field and the on field stuff and
then letting them fill the dots really and and they add.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
The flavor as they see fit.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
So that they've been great talking to each other and
figuring a few things out to how they how we
want to play, and you know, particularly the likes of
David Avery has been awesome in terms of leading those
sort of areas and helping design things that we want
to do on the park, and and then just letting
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the group sort of, I guess as we're closer to
the Lions game, just sort of feel a little bit
of the occasion and hopefully that tightens us up just nicely.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Do you lean on that and Zach culture, the history
of the two nations and what they've done before.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Yeah, I think you know we're sot he touched on
it and and again you've got to do that a
little bit organically, otherwise it gets a bit forced.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
But you know, I think.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
We've talked about the obviously the history and the legacy
of the British Lions is obvious. But you know, the
Aussie New Zealand Invitational team I guess last played in
nineteen eighty nine or something. But before that, these two
countries have done a lot together and in reality, is
it's it's a it's a it's a combined team planner,
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combined team, isn't it? Because the British lines are in
the same boat.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
How good to see some of those players that you've
coached previously back in camp and work with them again.
Speaker 9 (07:47):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
It's great to see some people again and it's so
really really enjoying that, but equally really excited about working
with some of the Australian players because it's you know,
players that sort of coached against a number of them
for a while and then certainly watched them and and
it's always a cool experience for a coach when you
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actually get to shake their hand and start working with
them and hear a few things about how they see
the game.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
And how they see the world and it just opens
your eyes up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Have you had much to do with Les Kiss to
this point previous league and what's your impressions of how
he's brought the squad together and how he might go
as an international coach and we will.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Yeah, really impressed for him. He's got a great way
about him. He's he's empowering the players. He does a
good job with his group. He's got people he's working
with in the Reds with Zaan who's here, and a
number of his analysts and other stuff. He's also got
Simon cron who's the Western Force head coach, and that
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they're a great group. They are pretty clear about how
they go about their work and it's been nice to
be a little bit of the fly in the ointment
at times.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, are you pushing back on things or just adding
a little bits and so that the makes out Does
that work?
Speaker 9 (09:07):
Well?
Speaker 7 (09:07):
It's been pretty collaborative. You know, we've all just sat
in a room and we've just got our own little areas.
But he's you know, we're all just trying to work
with each other to test what we do and also
to test to make sure we don't go too far
in our areas and clut other players. But there's been
some great bendor and as a sole keying and agreep,
I feel picked on and manipulated, but rest assured I'm
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given a bit back, So we're having a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
What have been your impressions of the British and Irish
Lions to this point on their tour.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Yeah, Look, it's a strong team.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
We know that they've got great depth.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
At the moment, they will be disappointed, I guests with
their start against Argentina, but they've come here and put
two or three pretty good performances on you know, I
thought the Warrortors particularly really up the ante on them physically,
and we saw a different sort of game in that
one intrigued with the Brumbies you know, Wednesday night and
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see how they go with them. But you know, we're
we're pretty clear that if we if we want to
go out there and play a festival game and in
a barbarians type style against the team that's got high,
high connection, high cohesion in the game, that will be
a long night. So we've just got to make sure
we get you know, we treat this with a this
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occasion with with that balance of making sure that our
structure and our concentration on the physical side of the
game has to be high for us to be competitive.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Here's jog with asked you to his trial anything or
put the lines under sunity or is appreciated and expect
you to tell me. But whether he has or not.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
No, No, I think yeah, we've I mean, I've had
a couple of calls with Joe. I'm sure Les has
two and we're just keeping an eye on some players
and looking at that.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
But no, there's not a sort of a sort of a.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Master plan of different strategy in different games to test
different areas. But you know, I think I think for us,
we know it's a week out from the first test,
so they they'll be looking to fine tune and get
some things ready, and our job is to make sure.
I guess we saw some doubt on those plans from
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a wallaby's perspective, so that's that's kind of what we'll
be focusing on.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
How have you enjoyed getting your hands into sort of
international footy again after a season with Japan, a season
in Japan.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
It's been great, you know, it's it's you know, it's
a you're playing with a group of players, bringing them
together in short periods or get excited by that. It's
and you know, I think as we get closer to
the game, I mean there's not a massive degree of
build up here in Adelaideia's yet. It's obviously a town
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or city that's high in a f L primarily and
but you know, hopefully by the end of the week,
when all the line supporters come and you get to
feel what it's like to be part of a major tour,
I think that's that little bit of excitement will come
pretty high on Friday night Saturday, and as.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You bring together players from New Zealand, australiagether and playing
in Japan. I think Pete Sumi might have come od
of France as well. You know, international refereeing is a
little bit different, as we've seen too, perhaps the Super
rugby level refereeing maybe in Japan as well. How do
you get the team prepared for that? Do you have
to do anything in that regard?
Speaker 9 (12:37):
It's a good question. We've got to be aware. We've
certainly you can.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
It's pretty clear even the change of focuses of the
games and the last weekend isn't it.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
Both with the All Black game and with the Lions game,
we know.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
That there's that refs are under some pretty strict control
from World Rugby about what their focuses are and we're
just got to be aware of those and make sure
we're smart enough to adapt. But there's always a learning
curve and I guess that that is a challenge for
US speakeruse. The lines are sort of, what's that, three
or four or five games into their program and so
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they would have probably acclimatized the interpretations pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And Ian Foster final question. I mean, the Gap team
hasn't played a game yet, but would you like to
see this tradition continue Lines two twenty nine to New Zealand.
You know when they visit this part of the world
that there should be a regular fixture with the lines
of touring Australia or in New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah, well I've thought about that and I actually reckon
you know that there is scope for that. You know,
we we and if you think about it, that's what
the British Lines is. It's sort of an esteemed team
from four countries and it's a it's not a regular thing,
but it's one where you create a special environment, and
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I think rugby loves special environments and special occasions, and
so maybe down the track there is room for something
like this to be added into a calendar. And it's
you know, a combined Southern Hemisphere team versus a combined
Northern he was for your team would be quite an
interesting battle, certainly would be.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We're looking forward to this weekend first and foremost, plenty
of interest back home here, Ian Foster, thanks so much
of your time as always on news Talk ZBB.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Thanks very much and go the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Twenty after a seven on used Talk ZIB. There he
was Ian Foster from Adelaide. Interesting that little week clip.
There no need for the TMO. Just to pick up
on something that Ian Foster mentioned around the game being
refereed differently as they bring those players from Super Rugby,
from Japan's top league, from the French Top fourteen together.
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Mention the change in focus as to what referees are
being asked to look at and having to adapt these
players from around the globe. Doesn't that speak to the
issues in test rugbe at the moment that you've got
to tell players from three different competitions. All right, this
is how this weekend will be refereed. Now we're in
test football. We can expect this. We have to be
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smart enough to adapt, was what Ian Foster said there.
So this is a coaching group there who have had
successes in their own rights around the globe having to
tell professional players, some of whom have played rugby for
more than a decade, how to adapt to what the
referee might throw them, just because this is the focus
of what word rugby wants to look at at the moment.
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Clearly one of those areas is the micromanagement from the TMO.
We saw that again last week. Nothing really appears to
have changed since the World Cup in twenty twenty three
when Ian Foster was the head coach of the All Blacks.
It came as a shock to the system after Super
Rugby the amount of stoppages we had in that opener
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last week in Dunedin and that first All Blacks French
Test three disallowed tries. Don't think we had any head contact,
although someone might be able to jog my memory on that,
but there wasn't a stoppage for that. But in my opinion,
World Rugby's lost control of the test product, both on
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a rules basis and with the TMO how they are
asking this game to be officiated. They've lost control. I
think of the international game. They know they want to
reduce head knock. That's fine, they've taken their eye off
the ball, though, I think in terms of the products
and the game suffering, and that is a dangerous place
for Test rugby to be in because it opens the
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door for quicker and faster products to come in, like
Rugby League cutting its lunch in several markets. Has the
TMO got undue influence in test rugby? I think we've
reached beyond the tipping point now that the TMO needs
to be paired right back? What say you, oh, eight
hundre at eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two to
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discuss could we do without the Television Match Official and
Test rugby or could we at least kneecap its powers
to a certain extent? What say you? Eight hundred eighty
teen eighty nine two ninety two for a text here
on news talk zibbat. It is twenty three and a
half after.
Speaker 11 (17:24):
Seven Houston song, twenty six and a half after seven
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used Talk zed beat talking Test Match rugbat.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We're talking the TMO. It's in the spotlights again. After
the weekends. That was, and it wasn't just the All
Blacks game against France. It was the war Tars game
against the British and Irish line, which I think was
still going early hours of Sunday morning by the time
I got up for breakfast. It was the Australia fig game.
Just this interference in the game that I think we
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all grew up enjoying for being fast paced. I eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
for a text message. Let's go to David evening.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Kay, I think t of our interference. It is very frustrating.
What really annoys me is how long it takes. I
don't mind I forget pulled back for a knock on
earlier in the phase. Well, that's the correct decision. And
then a big game that is important, but it's got
to be quick. It can't be when the guy's sitting
there just about to kick it suddenly the crowd reacts
to the big screen and everyone. Then it's three minutes
later by the time they've talked it through and are
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you all happy with this decision? Get on with it,
make it quick, get the right decision, move on.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, I tend to agree. Look at if you're going
to have it, it needs to be rapid fire. I
kind of like the way that that league hasn't always
got it right. But by and large it's a it's
a pretty quick sort of assessment. They are looking in
the background. It's very very restricted. But the amount of
time that gets taken up in games for this that
reduces the live action on the part because remember as well, David,
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when the interference comes in, you don't wind the clock back,
and you don't get more game time out of it.
You basically lose that two minutes whatever it might be,
to go back to the stoppage point wherever the infringement
happened on the field.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. You've got a whole
lot of time played that actually is inconsequential in the end,
and then you, yeah, hang on, will wind it back.
It's almost the other only other thing I can compare
it to is the DRS and cricket, which is equally
as infuriating. When everyone knows what they should be looking
at and they go through the steps in the protocol
and objected the front foot. There is nothing more annoying
than that, and that actually choose them to test cricket
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time that we are talking rugby. But yeah, get the
TMO in there quick. If he doesn't that he's not sure,
then he doesn't get us say move on.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, I think there's exactly it, David. You know the
most obvious things they should come in for, otherwise you
cut it out. You only really want them in when
it's something egregious. I think. And what if the rules
you give around that for the TMO. I think you
can message that in terms of the rule book and
say they can come in for this, but not that.
(20:14):
I think you make a very good point, David. Let's
go to Conrad evening.
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Yeah, Hi, Elliott, I don't think we're having this conversation
that France who denied three tries by the TMO and
the all Blacks women by four points. But that's not
the point I'm trying to mate. The real issue that
I have been needs to make a call on how
many phases you go back for the TMO to come
in on say try being scored? Okay, so do you
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go back to one phase? I mean my understanding is
that white locks. You know, turnover in the twenty three
quarter final was up to thirty four phases. Yeah, right,
So so do we go back to the you know,
the third phase of those thirty four for a knock
on in the lead up to a try. The IVN
needed to make a call on that. Yeah, And so
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I mean, there's nothing wrong. I'm not trying to get
rid of the tmoor. Everything I actually say is there's
a good space for it. It needs to be clarification around
when it comes in and when it doesn't.
Speaker 10 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:12):
So that's that's just my my p sence. I'm sure
you got a lot of talk on it. But yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think Conrad look to be honest, I would have
it maybe for end goal stuff only try no tries
to put down legal because if it's been missed by
two or three officials on you know, three officials, three
sets of eyes on the park, then you know it's
been let go to the point that their human eyes
have been able to flag it. Rugby's watched by human
eyes around the globe. It's not watched by computer screens
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or pit someone in you know, watching seven computer screens.
It's watched by humans. And if human eyes have missed it.
Then that's that's the end of it, and I would
have it try no try in the end goal was
the ball grounded? Was the foot in touch, whatever it
might be, and completely restrict it that way, which is
what it came in from the first place.
Speaker 12 (21:57):
Yeah, well, you've got a really good point when it
comes to I think one of the three was the
obstruction one. I can't quite remember which one of the
three was. I mean, I don't have any sympathy for
proper he get on, don't knock.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It on top that totally right, Yeah, absolutely, but the
one with.
Speaker 12 (22:10):
The obstruction, I think you've got a good point there.
I'll see what I'll be fat.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Thank you, Yeah, appreciate it nicely from you as always
a Conrad here on news Talk zib oh eight hundred
eighty eight and eighty nine two ninety two for a
text message here on news Talk ZIBB. A couple of texts.
Leasa is this gosh Elliott listening to Ian, I got excited,
and not till he said go the whill Blacks, I
forgot about that heart what he was saying. Amazing great points,
I thought, Ian Foster muzz with us Elliott, you're a
man on the ground with these TMO decisions. Surely you're
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seeing what this is doing to our game by ruining
the spectacle. So if you can see it and I
can see it, why can't the world rugby muppets, because
that's what they are. Muzz You always tell it as
it is. No, with this TMO ie, termination should be
captain's caol like league.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I've heard that a couple of times in recent days,
and I know the Childhood and Super Rugby old tat
old when they had the COVID years and it didn't
quite work. But I think the parameters could be changed
a little bit if you restricted it like the NRLs.
Your pointed out and all that each captain had one
or two challenges per game. Next time the ball comes
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to a stoppage, Scott Barrett or in this case this weekend,
Artie Savier goes to the captain and I go, Actually,
the French number eight knock the ball on the last
passage of play. We want the scrum. They send it up,
they check it, he keeps his challenge. If it is
indeed a knock on, or if it's not a knock on,
they lose the challenge, they don't get it back, maybe
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something like that, and otherwise the TMO can't interfere. Otherwise
they're just a man in front of computer screens or
TV monitors or whatever it might be. Let's go to
this last text before the break. Mike says this good evening.
The TMO u's only for foul play. Otherwise kicked them
for touch shares. Mike, there's plenty of texts. I'll get
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to more of those after the break here on news
Talk ZIB stick around as well. Aaron Woods falling New
South Wales prop fourteen games, so the Blues. He's going
to join ours, says New South Wales and queen Land.
Countdown to game three, the decider of state of origin
at a course stadium at ten o'clock tonight. Aaron Woods
on the way here on news Talk ZB sports Talk.
It's twenty seven away from it. It is twenty four
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away from eights on news talks here, but we're talking
the television match offis You're one of my pit subjects
to get stuck into. Paul says this on nine two
nine two. Why is it all blacks? Flat fans blame
the riff when they lose. I think they won last week, Paul,
But nonetheless we'll push on four pass food poisoning, blah
(25:13):
blah blah. The Tomo said they weren't trys because they weren't.
You've taken the term winging problems off the English and
made it officially your own. Nice Paul, thank you very
much for the text. My issue is with the stoppages
in the game. I am happy to live with incorrect decisions.
Rugby has played for more than one hundred years with
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one man in the middle being the ultimate judge, the referee.
Now the man in the middle, the referee has got
a little friend sitting up in a box who watches
nine camera angles and is searching through backplay for any
possible infringement there might have been. That's not rugby to me.
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Rugby is not watching officials come to a decision. I
watch movies for that, or TVs. I watch courtroom dramas
if I want to see people debate the legalities of decisions.
I watch rugby because I want to see the athletes play.
Would you be happy rugby fans to trade the odd
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incorrect decision by on field referees if it sped the
game up and stopped it being so stop start. If
the TMO wasn't there and the game was flowing a
little bit better, we weren't worried about the big man
upstairs coming through and going check check. Would that make
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for a better product. I think it would. The product
has been lost in all of this, in the search
of perfection that we are never going to get because
all you're doing is adding another set of human eyes, yes,
watching more screens, to three sets of human eyes that
are watching the game in real time at ground level
on the park. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
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two nine two for a text message, Stephens says this,
Hi there. I think the TMO should have their powers clipped.
I think the field hockey idea of a referee of
sorry of the umpire or being able to refer anything
of the twenty two. If they see something as the
way to go the decision should be, then some advice
to the referee for them to make a decision, or
the TV footage at the best angle goes for them
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to make a decision. I think that way would stop
all of the stoppages in the game and it would
allow it to flow effectively. Thanks Stephen make a good point,
and I think what we've seen here on the text
line is that none of us think the current system
is perfect and test rugby. Everyone's got an idea on
how to improve it, which suggests the current model doesn't
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really work. When it was first brought in early two thousands,
it was try no try in the end goal. Then
they expanded its powers. They allowed them to sweep behind
the play to find little elements of foul play, check
on the head contact, because that's been the world rugby focused.
But is the game any better for it now than
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it was? I was shown a couple of text messages
of people switching off saying I'm done with rugby last weekend.
Hadn't watched it for a while. Because this is the
product that's now being served up. It's being managed essentially
like an NFL game to an extent the stoppages that
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we are now seeing in some games. And as I say,
it wasn't just the All Blacks game that prompted this.
It was the British and Irish Lions game against the
Waratahs and the Wallaby's and fig game. Yeah, we might
have got some correct decisions out of it, but did
we actually get a better product at the end of
the game. You think back to the All Blacks game, yep,
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two knock ons which missed Flich to Newell's Billy propt
Is put down. Both of them were knock ons, absolutely,
but was the game product you at home, you and
the stands listening on the radio, whatever. It might have
been more enjoyable because those tries were denied because the
correct decision was got there in the end. I think not, James,
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with this regarding the TMO, if they went back and
looked at every ruck and breakdown, they can find a
technical infringement at every one of them. This is almost
where it's at and making the game unwatchable. This TMO
input is ruined the game and needs a major rethink.
It's not the game we once loved. Cheers, James. I
think you make a very good point. This isn't the
game we once loved. We didn't grow up watching it
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wanting every decision to be correct. That's part of the game.
I know Darcy's talk previously about referee bues. That's obviously
the wrong thing, but you've got to accept that humans
will get decisions wrong. That is part of sport. We
talk about decisions years on that were wrong, and cricket
tests and rugby matches, whatever it might be. Oh eight
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hundred eighteen eighty nine two nine two for a text message.
One text and says Elliott, hang on, I think in
the case you've got it wrong it was the sideline
reefs that interrupted some pivotal scenarios. Well, I know in
one case in c I think the name is there.
Christoph Ridley disagreed that it was obstruction. And again, if
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you didn't have the T motor check, you'd have to
go and pick it. This is what I want to
go with. This is my decision. Hey, if he rules
it out of a try on the park, that's fine.
But the stoppages is what does my hidden Oh eight
hundred eighty teen eighty nine two ninety two for a
text message Aaron Woods on the way after this one
of your text and calls as well here on news
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talks he'd be eighteen away from as.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Let's go back to the lines on the tea Richard evening,
how are you doing good?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Thank you good good?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I like, I don't I don't like the tmos. I've
refered twenty years of rugby. I gave up the cause
of you know, they started bringing into tmos and stuff
like that. I think, you know, the referee can make
a sole decision. It's not that you know, yeah, he
might miss a few him by the end of the day,
he's only human. But the end of the day, the TMO.
Speaker 12 (31:28):
Sort of spoils the whole game.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Like I played rugby for years and I love the
hard physical stuff in the rugby. But now it's just
like tmo's pulling up everything. They should only pull up something.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I think that the rules around it definitely need
to change, Richard. They need to tighten it up as
to what they can come in for so we don't
have as many stoppages in the game.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, that's exactly right, because you know, I refereed the
flat games for free flowing, free flowing, and when the
city they bought the TMO, and I'm just thinking, well,
it's made. It's this way. It's made rugby soft and
rugby used to be a hard man's game. Yeah, pull them,
pull them up. If you've got a blank and foul
play or you know, every ruck you can get a
penalty out every ruck you'll get a building.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
You know.
Speaker 12 (32:08):
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
No, it's not good. Appreciate the call Richard and I
to hear from you. Let's go to Stephan evening, Stefan
Hil How are you good? Thank you yourself?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah good.
Speaker 13 (32:18):
I would like to bring up two points. I actually
was one who talked about the field hockey just before.
But the other thing is that if we remember the
Women's Rugby World Cup here in New Zealand, there was
some really good CMO work done where they were anticipating
when the umpire might want to do assists and stuff.
So a lot of that work they were doing happened
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a lot faster and a lot slicker. But for some reason,
the male game it's taking a long time to refer
So I think that's something they need to be thinking about.
Is why was it so much better with the Women's
Rugby World Cup compared to the means. It's because the
level of interference, the level of interference wasn't as much.
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But also when the TMO saw something that they may
get asked for, they were already getting that footage so
that they could actually start to talk to the referee
and say, hey, there was a foot and touch at
the teen mina mark or whatever, so they could very
quickly disallow a try or a water try. But basically
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how I think it was to work is anything inside
the twenty two is where the TMO can be asked.
The captain can have a the captain can have a referral,
and or the umpire or referee sorry because I'm thinking hockey,
but the umpire could then do a self referral. If
they're not sure on something, they are specifically what they
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want to be checked. They'll say on a water goal
or a water try, but I think there was a
foot on touch inside the twenty two, can you please check?
And that's all they check for, and they'll say, yes,
there was a foot out. You can disallow the try
or something like that, just to make it a lot
faster and a lot slicker, and the captain gets one referral.
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If they get it wrong, they lose it. Is making
sure that those areas where we do want it to
be more correct are actually being covered in, not some
silly stuff like ten phases before in the halfway mark
or was that a fifty to twenty toward? Whatever can
even checked. But I think that's the problem that God
has stoppages for advantages or another issue in rugby. So
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I don't want to see us being pulled back at
the defense of other end for ten meters for something.
But I do want to make sure it's as correct
as possible in the red zone so that people are
seeing those opportunities happening.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You make a good point, Steven. I quite like that
inside the twenty two only. Let's go to Murray evening.
Speaker 10 (34:45):
Murray, I don't know how you're doing.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm good yourself, Yeah good?
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I reckon I should get rid of the TMO. They've
got Shakespeare of eyes on the field. They the line
umpires talk to the rent and they have walked down
to try awarded or knock on or whatever. And then
they stand in the middle of the field and a
bit of TV screen or if they can't saw it
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out between the three of them, is something wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I think you make a very good point, Murray. How
many eyes of I mean, there's plenty of eyes on
the park, all employed to do a job, and they
still have to rely on a big screen to go
up and do it and stop the Game's that's my
frustrating is the stoppage in the game, not whether the
decision are correct or not. It's the stoppages that do
my head. And Aaron Wood standing by, let's go to
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him as we count down to origin number three. It
is ten away from eight Sports Talk and time now
to talk state of origin. Just a couple of hours
or thereabouts out from the decider between New South Wales
and Queensland and Sydney. Who would have thought that we
would have had a decider after this comprehensive Game one
(35:58):
victory at sun Corpse Stadium, full time the South Wales
that credit to the Marons and Perth they well back.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Dismissed expected coins, I've risen from the dead again, all
stit up rather nicely for the decider tonight's at a
Core Stadium in Sydney and joining us to look ahead
to the match.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
She played fourteen times for New South Wales. Now I'm
broadcasting He's gonna be calling the game for Triple EAM
in a matter of ours prop. Aaron Woods joins the
program here on news Talk ZIB. Aaron, thanks so much
for your time, no.
Speaker 14 (36:36):
No worries, thanks for having me legend appreciate it. It's
time and speaking to people in New Zealand other than
that Princess Shaw Johnson.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
So I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, how good is a state of origin decider? I mean,
I know that you'd rather win it in a clean sweep,
but this has surely got the Eastern seaboard absolutely pumping.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Ah, you're not wrong. Look game one to win up
a sunt court for the Blues. Well, pretty confident going
into the game to in Perth.
Speaker 14 (36:57):
But as the Coenslanders do, when everyone's against them, the
backs against the roofs, they stand up and they just
had a great performance led by the one only camera
mans In.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
The look in his eyes when he came out, he
could tell he was on for that game. But now
we got a decider there. This is what this is
what the NROL won. This is what us I and
Queensland people want.
Speaker 14 (37:16):
They're come to our home ground, these Queenslanders, and tonight,
I honestly cannot wait. There's been so much talk the drama,
the theater, you know, obviously the devastating news for the
captain of the queens Inside losing his father. In the
build up, Billy Slatter's made some huge decisions bringing back
Josh poppet Lee out of retirement of origin Shibasaki in there.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
And the Blues Mate, they're just flying under the radar.
Speaker 14 (37:37):
I think there's a big storm brewing and you know what,
I think it's going to hit the Queensland side at
eight ten tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Do you think the weight of expectations now on Queensland
given they did level the series back in Perth a
couple of weeks back. Yeah, Look, I.
Speaker 14 (37:50):
Think we're expecting Queensland to do a Queensland. There's so
much talk in this build up is the miracles coming?
Obviously Game two was this is how I was going
to win by how many?
Speaker 8 (38:00):
But it didn't happen.
Speaker 14 (38:00):
As I said, the great Queens thend size, they stand
up when they need to deliver, and tonight I just
believe a lot of the pressure it's going to be
on queens Then Billy Floder's made some big cause. You know,
they're talking about this fairy tale, the Queensland spirit, it's
all you know, all the stars are aligning for him.
But the one thing that I'm happy as as a
New South Wales fan is that the news of ours
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Blues are flying under the RAIDO has been very quiet
on our end and we just don't know what's coming.
We've had Latrell Mitchell's had a really quiet series deal
on Edwards's finding for him, and Nathan Cleary is not injured,
so anything could happen tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is there one player in particularly that you think needs
to stand up for the Blues this evening, Well.
Speaker 14 (38:39):
Well, no doubt, obviously we need we need Cleary. Clear
is our main man. He's our He's the pivot that
you know's need. He went into the game too, he
twins he's growing. Goal kicking The day before for Game
two and he just he was limited. He couldn't do
the long kicking in the game and he could tell
it really harms his running games.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
So this time he's fit. I don't think he'll be
goal kicking. I think he's just going to let Zach
Lomax do that.
Speaker 14 (39:01):
Hopefully Zach Lomas kick some goals tonight, because we scored
more tries and than the Queens that last time.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I just couldn't convert them into goals. But I reckon
this is this is the moment, this is There's been
so much talk. Is clearly a great player.
Speaker 14 (39:14):
I already think he is a great player, winning four
competitions in a row, but to go to that next
level to be classes immortal of our game, I think
he really needs domat Origin and I think this is
his time.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
He's ready to go. He's twenty eight years of age, he's.
Speaker 14 (39:27):
Matured his body, he's fit, and I think we're going
to see a big performance from Nath tonight.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You played under Laurie Daily when he was new South
Wales coach the first time around. What have you seen
from him this time around in the way that he's
adapted to he's part two of his coaching career in Origin.
Speaker 14 (39:42):
I think the big thing for Loss is how he
handles coming out of a loss. And you know, when
I was there in those series previously, he sort of
not to go hiding.
Speaker 8 (39:52):
You looked a little bit quiet and you could just.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Tell the you know, just the persona of Lauri Daley's
a big you know, he's a strong figure. He just
looked like he was just taking down the peak. Whereas
this time he's held his own, he's held his team straight,
which is really good.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
You know, Winds of Joy.
Speaker 14 (40:06):
He's had the same mindset going in the next one
and this one like, look he's come out you know
obviously with the devastating news. As I said before with
Karen Montz's father, you know, he's come out and said,
you know, there's things that are bigger than the game.
And probably before in his series when he did coach,
he probably wouldn't try and mention that he might have
just tried to lay low and just stay out of it.
But he's front footed it. He's acknowledged what they did
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wrong in Game two. Not once did he blame the referees.
He was not happy with our discipline of the new
south Well site. So he's own where they've been wrong.
And they've had ten days in this camp and to
speak about things that they've done wrong, they really need
to action it.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
So I really love what Laurie's doing.
Speaker 14 (40:44):
And there's a lot, like I said, there's a lot
of question marks over last, this is an unlosable series
after winning Game one at Suncourt, but origin it's a
funny thing and he can happen.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
So happy to see how he's going, and he's still
got the big smile on his face.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Former Blues prop Aaron Woods with us just a couple
of final questions, Aaron, Josh, Papa Lee, you mentioned him before,
how big is him coming out of retirement to help
them Marones and could it be the winning difference tonight.
I know you won't want to hear that.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
It's massive. He's one of those blokes. As soon as
he walks in the change room you look.
Speaker 14 (41:17):
Next to him go jeez, I thank god he's playing
with me tonight. He's got that comfort for players around him.
He's got that aura he's been. He was part of
that Origin series without one eight in a row. So
he's one of the legends that knocked off Miss so
Well was for a long period of time and he's
one of the players that a lot of the kids
in that side of the Queensland team but wat's growing up.
So to have a bloke that you idolized as a
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kid there next to you and then now you're going
out to go to War or play in Origin with Jesez,
you must grow a leg and it's just exciting.
Speaker 8 (41:43):
It just adds to the theater.
Speaker 14 (41:46):
Billy Slader probably had the chance to do it last
year but held back, and then he's thinking that this
is the right time to pull the sugar on it.
Populi playing our standing footy for the Raiders. They're coming
first for a reason, and I reckon you'll go there
and he's first twenty minutes.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
It'll either make or break the game.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Aaron Woods give us a prediction. WI will the game
be won and lost to Night and who wins?
Speaker 14 (42:05):
I reckon New South Wales win obviously bringing a blue
I be blue.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
I reckon you. I was win by twelve.
Speaker 14 (42:11):
I think we kick all our goals and I just
reckon the start from New South well is they're going
to be very disciplined. They're not going to give away
eight penalties in the first half and that's just a
job for them to do and to do it in
front of their home state.
Speaker 8 (42:22):
They're gonna love it. So a big victory for I
was by twelve points.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
We look forward to that game tonight and bits of
luck with your coke commentary tonight. Aaron Woods, thanks for
joining us across New Zealand on news Talk ZEDB no Iris.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
Thanks to appreciate for having me Aaron Woods there from.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
My New South Wales prop back end the Blues by twelve.
Thank you very much your calls and text tonight. Sorry
that we can't get to all of the text, there
are plenty on the TMO we're in the Capitol tomorrow night.
We will have an all Blacks team for Tests two.
My thanks to ants. We'll see you tomorrow night from
the Capital.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Evening. Welcome to sports Talk for Wednesday, the ninth of
July twenty twenty five. Alligant Smith and for Darcy this
week plenty doing tonight. Former All Blacks coach Ian Foster
standing by to join the program. He's in Adelaide as
an assistant coach with the Australia and New Zealand Invitational
fifteen to play the British and Irish Lions this Saturday.
(01:05):
Very much looking forward to that match, certainly something different
on the calendar. Intrigued to see how it goes. He'll
give us a bit of an idea of where that
team's at. They've only got into camp, I think Saturday
or Sunday, and just how much they can tell the
players before they play the Lions on Saturday night. Got
some of his old chargers in the as well this week,
David Harvilli in the Mixchan and Frazelle, a couple of
(01:27):
other players that Ian Foster has coached and the All
Black level as well. He's going to join us in
a few moments time. And whether the team should be
a regular fixture on the rugby calendar. Ian Foster not
too far away from joining us on Sports Talk this evening.
Former New South Wales prop Aaron Woods on the show
as well, fourteen games for the Blues. He joins us
(01:48):
to look ahead to tonight's state of origin opener I sorry,
decider rather in Sydney, New South Wales one, Queensland one.
He's quickly become a favorite in the media since retiring.
He'll be calling the game tonight on Aussie radio on
Triple m Wich. Hant to Aaron get his take on
who he thinks will win, who do you think? And
(02:09):
everything else origin related a bit later on this hour
on the program, Your calls in texts welcome right throughout
the show. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine
two for a text message, Ian Foster. Aaron Woods on
the program tonight, Your calls and texts welcome throughout. But
first and foremost we starts with football.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Clubro Cup Final awakes Chelsea and Samascus side.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I've tied it off, hearing New Jersey. Yes, Chelsea beating
Brazil's Flaminence to nil to advance to Monday's Club World
Cup Final, jal Pedro scoring both goals against his former team.
Chelsea now waits either Paris Aint Germain or Real Madrid
in the decider. That one is tomorrow morning from seven.
An impressive injury return for Della Martini's Lesniac weeks early
(03:01):
from an ankle injury for the Warriors Nral tussle against
the Tigers on Sunday at Mount Smart Stadium. He suffered
an ankle injury remember this against Penrith in round sixteen.
It was three rounds ago. He was meant to be
out for another three weeks. Coach Andrew Webster explains why
he's back on the park so early, just how hard
he's read.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I did peal well A medical teams done.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
They've done a fantastic job and Darn's ready to go.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
He's still got to tick some boxes later this week
in training, but he was out there to down training well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
To cycling and today Pokaca has started to wind up
the gears on the Tour de France. At the completion
of the one hundred and seventy eight kilometer stage four
into ru On, here goes Matchew Vander Poul Pikaccia wants
his hundredth when.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Thank You God is there it's gonna be yet again
for Catca Pagaccia.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
Goes with a finish line.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Now it's gonna be one hundred career wins. Indeed it was.
Matthia vander Poultz continues to wear the leader's yellow Jewsy though,
and the first semi finalists have been found at Wimbledon
women stop seeing a ring. A super link has been
in Laura sigmund in three, and Anisimova's advanced over Anastagia
pavlu Chinko in straight sets.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Such a battle today. I was up there in the
second set and yeah, she started to play some unreal
tennis and I just kept fighting and yeah, that's Hireak
was super stressful.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And in the men's tar that Taylor Fritz has accounted for,
Karen Hashanov in for all of the machine on the
Fritz again for the electronic line calling, carlors elkras Bet
and Cam Norrie in three and finally in sport today,
the Black Socks have opened the A Softball World Cup
campaign with an eight to three win over host Canada
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them for the w BFC Ben shop By World Cup Finals.
Speaker 9 (04:45):
Five wonderful.
Speaker 10 (04:49):
In Canada.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, hopefully the tournament goes a bit better than the
PA system that was. Let's talk rugby on Sports Talk
this evening. Ian Foster has joined Lea's Kisses coaching staff
for the Australian New Zealand inverte haational side. They played
the British and Irish Lions on Saturday night and Adelaide
just after the second Test between the All Blacks and France.
(05:14):
They only got into camp a few days ago. Igan
Foster joins US now out of Adelaide. Ian, thanks so
much for your time once again on News Talk.
Speaker 9 (05:22):
ZB my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well how's it been in camp wearing the green and
gold and the black and white?
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Yeah, well it's we have we have Chuck Chuck all
about the ratio of green and gold are black, but
it's we've had a lot of fun connecting as a
group and the players have done an awesome job and
getting to know each other and obviously it was a
bit of a blend of the two countries here, but
(05:50):
even's excited about the challenge and obviously played. The chance
to play the Lions is pretty cool and plus, I
guess for the Wallaby players is you know, with Lee's
kiss coaching, there's a chance to impressed the next not
Wallaby's coach too, So there's a pretty at stake.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
How do you blend that all in the space of
a week or thereabouts before you play on Saturday night.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
Yeah, look, we can't do We can't do too much,
can we.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
But it's a matter of giving a nice organizational structure
around the or field and the on field stuff and
then letting them fill the dots really and and they add.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
The flavor as they see fit.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
So that they've been great talking to each other and
figuring a few things out to how they how we
want to play, and you know, particularly the likes of
David Avery has been awesome in terms of leading those
sort of areas and helping design things that we want
to do on the park, and and then just letting
(06:47):
the group sort of, I guess as we're closer to
the Lions game, just sort of feel a little bit
of the occasion and hopefully that tightens us up just nicely.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Do you lean on that and Zach culture, the history
of the two nations and what they've done before.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Yeah, I think you know we're sot he touched on
it and and again you've got to do that a
little bit organically, otherwise it gets a bit forced.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
But you know, I think.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
We've talked about the obviously the history and the legacy
of the British Lions is obvious. But you know, the
Aussie New Zealand Invitational team I guess last played in
nineteen eighty nine or something. But before that, these two
countries have done a lot together and in reality, is
it's it's a it's a it's a combined team planner,
(07:36):
combined team, isn't it? Because the British lines are in
the same boat.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
How good to see some of those players that you've
coached previously back in camp and work with them again.
Speaker 9 (07:47):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
It's great to see some people again and it's so
really really enjoying that, but equally really excited about working
with some of the Australian players because it's you know,
players that sort of coached against a number of them
for a while and then certainly watched them and and
it's always a cool experience for a coach when you
(08:10):
actually get to shake their hand and start working with
them and hear a few things about how they see
the game.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
And how they see the world and it just opens
your eyes up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Have you had much to do with Les Kiss to
this point previous league and what's your impressions of how
he's brought the squad together and how he might go
as an international coach and we will.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Yeah, really impressed for him. He's got a great way
about him. He's he's empowering the players. He does a
good job with his group. He's got people he's working
with in the Reds with Zaan who's here, and a
number of his analysts and other stuff. He's also got
Simon cron who's the Western Force head coach, and that
(08:52):
they're a great group. They are pretty clear about how
they go about their work and it's been nice to
be a little bit of the fly in the ointment
at times.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, are you pushing back on things or just adding
a little bits and so that the makes out Does
that work?
Speaker 9 (09:07):
Well?
Speaker 7 (09:07):
It's been pretty collaborative. You know, we've all just sat
in a room and we've just got our own little areas.
But he's you know, we're all just trying to work
with each other to test what we do and also
to test to make sure we don't go too far
in our areas and clut other players. But there's been
some great bendor and as a sole keying and agreep,
I feel picked on and manipulated, but rest assured I'm
(09:31):
given a bit back, So we're having a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
What have been your impressions of the British and Irish
Lions to this point on their tour.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Yeah, Look, it's a strong team.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
We know that they've got great depth.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
At the moment, they will be disappointed, I guests with
their start against Argentina, but they've come here and put
two or three pretty good performances on you know, I
thought the Warrortors particularly really up the ante on them physically,
and we saw a different sort of game in that
one intrigued with the Brumbies you know, Wednesday night and
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see how they go with them. But you know, we're
we're pretty clear that if we if we want to
go out there and play a festival game and in
a barbarians type style against the team that's got high,
high connection, high cohesion in the game, that will be
a long night. So we've just got to make sure
we get you know, we treat this with a this
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occasion with with that balance of making sure that our
structure and our concentration on the physical side of the
game has to be high for us to be competitive.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Here's jog with asked you to his trial anything or
put the lines under sunity or is appreciated and expect
you to tell me. But whether he has or not.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
No, No, I think yeah, we've I mean, I've had
a couple of calls with Joe. I'm sure Les has
two and we're just keeping an eye on some players
and looking at that.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
But no, there's not a sort of a sort of a.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Master plan of different strategy in different games to test
different areas. But you know, I think I think for us,
we know it's a week out from the first test,
so they they'll be looking to fine tune and get
some things ready, and our job is to make sure.
I guess we saw some doubt on those plans from
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a wallaby's perspective, so that's that's kind of what we'll
be focusing on.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
How have you enjoyed getting your hands into sort of
international footy again after a season with Japan, a season
in Japan.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
It's been great, you know, it's it's you know, it's
a you're playing with a group of players, bringing them
together in short periods or get excited by that. It's
and you know, I think as we get closer to
the game, I mean there's not a massive degree of
build up here in Adelaideia's yet. It's obviously a town
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or city that's high in a f L primarily and
but you know, hopefully by the end of the week,
when all the line supporters come and you get to
feel what it's like to be part of a major tour,
I think that's that little bit of excitement will come
pretty high on Friday night Saturday, and as.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You bring together players from New Zealand, australiagether and playing
in Japan. I think Pete Sumi might have come od
of France as well. You know, international refereeing is a
little bit different, as we've seen too, perhaps the Super
rugby level refereeing maybe in Japan as well. How do
you get the team prepared for that? Do you have
to do anything in that regard?
Speaker 9 (12:37):
It's a good question. We've got to be aware. We've
certainly you can.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
It's pretty clear even the change of focuses of the
games and the last weekend isn't it.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
Both with the All Black game and with the Lions game,
we know.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
That there's that refs are under some pretty strict control
from World Rugby about what their focuses are and we're
just got to be aware of those and make sure
we're smart enough to adapt. But there's always a learning
curve and I guess that that is a challenge for
US speakeruse. The lines are sort of, what's that, three
or four or five games into their program and so
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they would have probably acclimatized the interpretations pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And Ian Foster final question. I mean, the Gap team
hasn't played a game yet, but would you like to
see this tradition continue Lines two twenty nine to New Zealand.
You know when they visit this part of the world
that there should be a regular fixture with the lines
of touring Australia or in New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah, well I've thought about that and I actually reckon
you know that there is scope for that. You know,
we we and if you think about it, that's what
the British Lines is. It's sort of an esteemed team
from four countries and it's a it's not a regular thing,
but it's one where you create a special environment, and
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I think rugby loves special environments and special occasions, and
so maybe down the track there is room for something
like this to be added into a calendar. And it's
you know, a combined Southern Hemisphere team versus a combined
Northern he was for your team would be quite an
interesting battle, certainly would be.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We're looking forward to this weekend first and foremost, plenty
of interest back home here, Ian Foster, thanks so much
of your time as always on news Talk ZBB.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Thanks very much and go the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Twenty after a seven on used Talk ZIB. There he
was Ian Foster from Adelaide. Interesting that little week clip.
There no need for the TMO. Just to pick up
on something that Ian Foster mentioned around the game being
refereed differently as they bring those players from Super Rugby,
from Japan's top league, from the French Top fourteen together.
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Mention the change in focus as to what referees are
being asked to look at and having to adapt these
players from around the globe. Doesn't that speak to the
issues in test rugbe at the moment that you've got
to tell players from three different competitions. All right, this
is how this weekend will be refereed. Now we're in
test football. We can expect this. We have to be
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smart enough to adapt, was what Ian Foster said there.
So this is a coaching group there who have had
successes in their own rights around the globe having to
tell professional players, some of whom have played rugby for
more than a decade, how to adapt to what the
referee might throw them, just because this is the focus
of what word rugby wants to look at at the moment.
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Clearly one of those areas is the micromanagement from the TMO.
We saw that again last week. Nothing really appears to
have changed since the World Cup in twenty twenty three
when Ian Foster was the head coach of the All Blacks.
It came as a shock to the system after Super
Rugby the amount of stoppages we had in that opener
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last week in Dunedin and that first All Blacks French
Test three disallowed tries. Don't think we had any head contact,
although someone might be able to jog my memory on that,
but there wasn't a stoppage for that. But in my opinion,
World Rugby's lost control of the test product, both on
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a rules basis and with the TMO how they are
asking this game to be officiated. They've lost control. I
think of the international game. They know they want to
reduce head knock. That's fine, they've taken their eye off
the ball, though, I think in terms of the products
and the game suffering, and that is a dangerous place
for Test rugby to be in because it opens the
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door for quicker and faster products to come in, like
Rugby League cutting its lunch in several markets. Has the
TMO got undue influence in test rugby? I think we've
reached beyond the tipping point now that the TMO needs
to be paired right back? What say you, oh, eight
hundre at eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two to
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discuss could we do without the Television Match Official and
Test rugby or could we at least kneecap its powers
to a certain extent? What say you? Eight hundred eighty
teen eighty nine two ninety two for a text here
on news talk zibbat. It is twenty three and a
half after.
Speaker 11 (17:24):
Seven Houston song, twenty six and a half after seven
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used Talk zed beat talking Test Match rugbat.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We're talking the TMO. It's in the spotlights again. After
the weekends. That was, and it wasn't just the All
Blacks game against France. It was the war Tars game
against the British and Irish line, which I think was
still going early hours of Sunday morning by the time
I got up for breakfast. It was the Australia fig game.
Just this interference in the game that I think we
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all grew up enjoying for being fast paced. I eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
for a text message. Let's go to David evening.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Kay, I think t of our interference. It is very frustrating.
What really annoys me is how long it takes. I
don't mind I forget pulled back for a knock on
earlier in the phase. Well, that's the correct decision. And
then a big game that is important, but it's got
to be quick. It can't be when the guy's sitting
there just about to kick it suddenly the crowd reacts
to the big screen and everyone. Then it's three minutes
later by the time they've talked it through and are
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you all happy with this decision? Get on with it,
make it quick, get the right decision, move on.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, I tend to agree. Look at if you're going
to have it, it needs to be rapid fire. I
kind of like the way that that league hasn't always
got it right. But by and large it's a it's
a pretty quick sort of assessment. They are looking in
the background. It's very very restricted. But the amount of
time that gets taken up in games for this that
reduces the live action on the part because remember as well, David,
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when the interference comes in, you don't wind the clock back,
and you don't get more game time out of it.
You basically lose that two minutes whatever it might be,
to go back to the stoppage point wherever the infringement
happened on the field.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. You've got a whole
lot of time played that actually is inconsequential in the end,
and then you, yeah, hang on, will wind it back.
It's almost the other only other thing I can compare
it to is the DRS and cricket, which is equally
as infuriating. When everyone knows what they should be looking
at and they go through the steps in the protocol
and objected the front foot. There is nothing more annoying
than that, and that actually choose them to test cricket
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time that we are talking rugby. But yeah, get the
TMO in there quick. If he doesn't that he's not sure,
then he doesn't get us say move on.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, I think there's exactly it, David. You know the
most obvious things they should come in for, otherwise you
cut it out. You only really want them in when
it's something egregious. I think. And what if the rules
you give around that for the TMO. I think you
can message that in terms of the rule book and
say they can come in for this, but not that.
(20:14):
I think you make a very good point, David. Let's
go to Conrad evening.
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Yeah, Hi, Elliott, I don't think we're having this conversation
that France who denied three tries by the TMO and
the all Blacks women by four points. But that's not
the point I'm trying to mate. The real issue that
I have been needs to make a call on how
many phases you go back for the TMO to come
in on say try being scored? Okay, so do you
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go back to one phase? I mean my understanding is
that white locks. You know, turnover in the twenty three
quarter final was up to thirty four phases. Yeah, right,
So so do we go back to the you know,
the third phase of those thirty four for a knock
on in the lead up to a try. The IVN
needed to make a call on that. Yeah, And so
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I mean, there's nothing wrong. I'm not trying to get
rid of the tmoor. Everything I actually say is there's
a good space for it. It needs to be clarification around
when it comes in and when it doesn't.
Speaker 10 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:12):
So that's that's just my my p sence. I'm sure
you got a lot of talk on it. But yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think Conrad look to be honest, I would have
it maybe for end goal stuff only try no tries
to put down legal because if it's been missed by
two or three officials on you know, three officials, three
sets of eyes on the park, then you know it's
been let go to the point that their human eyes
have been able to flag it. Rugby's watched by human
eyes around the globe. It's not watched by computer screens
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or pit someone in you know, watching seven computer screens.
It's watched by humans. And if human eyes have missed it.
Then that's that's the end of it, and I would
have it try no try in the end goal was
the ball grounded? Was the foot in touch, whatever it
might be, and completely restrict it that way, which is
what it came in from the first place.
Speaker 12 (21:57):
Yeah, well, you've got a really good point when it
comes to I think one of the three was the
obstruction one. I can't quite remember which one of the
three was. I mean, I don't have any sympathy for
proper he get on, don't knock.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It on top that totally right, Yeah, absolutely, but the
one with.
Speaker 12 (22:10):
The obstruction, I think you've got a good point there.
I'll see what I'll be fat.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Thank you, Yeah, appreciate it nicely from you as always
a Conrad here on news Talk zib oh eight hundred
eighty eight and eighty nine two ninety two for a
text message here on news Talk ZIBB. A couple of texts.
Leasa is this gosh Elliott listening to Ian, I got excited,
and not till he said go the whill Blacks, I
forgot about that heart what he was saying. Amazing great points,
I thought, Ian Foster muzz with us Elliott, you're a
man on the ground with these TMO decisions. Surely you're
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seeing what this is doing to our game by ruining
the spectacle. So if you can see it and I
can see it, why can't the world rugby muppets, because
that's what they are. Muzz You always tell it as
it is. No, with this TMO ie, termination should be
captain's caol like league.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I've heard that a couple of times in recent days,
and I know the Childhood and Super Rugby old tat
old when they had the COVID years and it didn't
quite work. But I think the parameters could be changed
a little bit if you restricted it like the NRLs.
Your pointed out and all that each captain had one
or two challenges per game. Next time the ball comes
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to a stoppage, Scott Barrett or in this case this weekend,
Artie Savier goes to the captain and I go, Actually,
the French number eight knock the ball on the last
passage of play. We want the scrum. They send it up,
they check it, he keeps his challenge. If it is
indeed a knock on, or if it's not a knock on,
they lose the challenge, they don't get it back, maybe
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something like that, and otherwise the TMO can't interfere. Otherwise
they're just a man in front of computer screens or
TV monitors or whatever it might be. Let's go to
this last text before the break. Mike says this good evening.
The TMO u's only for foul play. Otherwise kicked them
for touch shares. Mike, there's plenty of texts. I'll get
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to more of those after the break here on news
Talk ZIB stick around as well. Aaron Woods falling New
South Wales prop fourteen games, so the Blues. He's going
to join ours, says New South Wales and queen Land.
Countdown to game three, the decider of state of origin
at a course stadium at ten o'clock tonight. Aaron Woods
on the way here on news Talk ZB sports Talk.
It's twenty seven away from it. It is twenty four
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away from eights on news talks here, but we're talking
the television match offis You're one of my pit subjects
to get stuck into. Paul says this on nine two
nine two. Why is it all blacks? Flat fans blame
the riff when they lose. I think they won last week, Paul,
But nonetheless we'll push on four pass food poisoning, blah
(25:13):
blah blah. The Tomo said they weren't trys because they weren't.
You've taken the term winging problems off the English and
made it officially your own. Nice Paul, thank you very
much for the text. My issue is with the stoppages
in the game. I am happy to live with incorrect decisions.
Rugby has played for more than one hundred years with
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one man in the middle being the ultimate judge, the referee.
Now the man in the middle, the referee has got
a little friend sitting up in a box who watches
nine camera angles and is searching through backplay for any
possible infringement there might have been. That's not rugby to me.
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Rugby is not watching officials come to a decision. I
watch movies for that, or TVs. I watch courtroom dramas
if I want to see people debate the legalities of decisions.
I watch rugby because I want to see the athletes play.
Would you be happy rugby fans to trade the odd
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incorrect decision by on field referees if it sped the
game up and stopped it being so stop start. If
the TMO wasn't there and the game was flowing a
little bit better, we weren't worried about the big man
upstairs coming through and going check check. Would that make
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for a better product. I think it would. The product
has been lost in all of this, in the search
of perfection that we are never going to get because
all you're doing is adding another set of human eyes, yes,
watching more screens, to three sets of human eyes that
are watching the game in real time at ground level
on the park. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
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two nine two for a text message, Stephens says this,
Hi there. I think the TMO should have their powers clipped.
I think the field hockey idea of a referee of
sorry of the umpire or being able to refer anything
of the twenty two. If they see something as the
way to go the decision should be, then some advice
to the referee for them to make a decision, or
the TV footage at the best angle goes for them
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to make a decision. I think that way would stop
all of the stoppages in the game and it would
allow it to flow effectively. Thanks Stephen make a good point,
and I think what we've seen here on the text
line is that none of us think the current system
is perfect and test rugby. Everyone's got an idea on
how to improve it, which suggests the current model doesn't
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really work. When it was first brought in early two thousands,
it was try no try in the end goal. Then
they expanded its powers. They allowed them to sweep behind
the play to find little elements of foul play, check
on the head contact, because that's been the world rugby focused.
But is the game any better for it now than
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it was? I was shown a couple of text messages
of people switching off saying I'm done with rugby last weekend.
Hadn't watched it for a while. Because this is the
product that's now being served up. It's being managed essentially
like an NFL game to an extent the stoppages that
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we are now seeing in some games. And as I say,
it wasn't just the All Blacks game that prompted this.
It was the British and Irish Lions game against the
Waratahs and the Wallaby's and fig game. Yeah, we might
have got some correct decisions out of it, but did
we actually get a better product at the end of
the game. You think back to the All Blacks game, yep,
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two knock ons which missed Flich to Newell's Billy propt
Is put down. Both of them were knock ons, absolutely,
but was the game product you at home, you and
the stands listening on the radio, whatever. It might have
been more enjoyable because those tries were denied because the
correct decision was got there in the end. I think not, James,
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with this regarding the TMO, if they went back and
looked at every ruck and breakdown, they can find a
technical infringement at every one of them. This is almost
where it's at and making the game unwatchable. This TMO
input is ruined the game and needs a major rethink.
It's not the game we once loved. Cheers, James. I
think you make a very good point. This isn't the
game we once loved. We didn't grow up watching it
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wanting every decision to be correct. That's part of the game.
I know Darcy's talk previously about referee bues. That's obviously
the wrong thing, but you've got to accept that humans
will get decisions wrong. That is part of sport. We
talk about decisions years on that were wrong, and cricket
tests and rugby matches, whatever it might be. Oh eight
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hundred eighteen eighty nine two nine two for a text message.
One text and says Elliott, hang on, I think in
the case you've got it wrong it was the sideline
reefs that interrupted some pivotal scenarios. Well, I know in
one case in c I think the name is there.
Christoph Ridley disagreed that it was obstruction. And again, if
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you didn't have the T motor check, you'd have to
go and pick it. This is what I want to
go with. This is my decision. Hey, if he rules
it out of a try on the park, that's fine.
But the stoppages is what does my hidden Oh eight
hundred eighty teen eighty nine two ninety two for a
text message Aaron Woods on the way after this one
of your text and calls as well here on news
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talks he'd be eighteen away from as.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Let's go back to the lines on the tea Richard evening,
how are you doing good?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Thank you good good?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I like, I don't I don't like the tmos. I've
refered twenty years of rugby. I gave up the cause
of you know, they started bringing into tmos and stuff
like that. I think, you know, the referee can make
a sole decision. It's not that you know, yeah, he
might miss a few him by the end of the day,
he's only human. But the end of the day, the TMO.
Speaker 12 (31:28):
Sort of spoils the whole game.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Like I played rugby for years and I love the
hard physical stuff in the rugby. But now it's just
like tmo's pulling up everything. They should only pull up something.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I think that the rules around it definitely need
to change, Richard. They need to tighten it up as
to what they can come in for so we don't
have as many stoppages in the game.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, that's exactly right, because you know, I refereed the
flat games for free flowing, free flowing, and when the
city they bought the TMO, and I'm just thinking, well,
it's made. It's this way. It's made rugby soft and
rugby used to be a hard man's game. Yeah, pull them,
pull them up. If you've got a blank and foul
play or you know, every ruck you can get a
penalty out every ruck you'll get a building.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
You know.
Speaker 12 (32:08):
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
No, it's not good. Appreciate the call Richard and I
to hear from you. Let's go to Stephan evening, Stefan
Hil How are you good? Thank you yourself?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah good.
Speaker 13 (32:18):
I would like to bring up two points. I actually
was one who talked about the field hockey just before.
But the other thing is that if we remember the
Women's Rugby World Cup here in New Zealand, there was
some really good CMO work done where they were anticipating
when the umpire might want to do assists and stuff.
So a lot of that work they were doing happened
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a lot faster and a lot slicker. But for some reason,
the male game it's taking a long time to refer
So I think that's something they need to be thinking about.
Is why was it so much better with the Women's
Rugby World Cup compared to the means. It's because the
level of interference, the level of interference wasn't as much.
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But also when the TMO saw something that they may
get asked for, they were already getting that footage so
that they could actually start to talk to the referee
and say, hey, there was a foot and touch at
the teen mina mark or whatever, so they could very
quickly disallow a try or a water try. But basically
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how I think it was to work is anything inside
the twenty two is where the TMO can be asked.
The captain can have a the captain can have a referral,
and or the umpire or referee sorry because I'm thinking hockey,
but the umpire could then do a self referral. If
they're not sure on something, they are specifically what they
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want to be checked. They'll say on a water goal
or a water try, but I think there was a
foot on touch inside the twenty two, can you please check?
And that's all they check for, and they'll say, yes,
there was a foot out. You can disallow the try
or something like that, just to make it a lot
faster and a lot slicker, and the captain gets one referral.
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If they get it wrong, they lose it. Is making
sure that those areas where we do want it to
be more correct are actually being covered in, not some
silly stuff like ten phases before in the halfway mark
or was that a fifty to twenty toward? Whatever can
even checked. But I think that's the problem that God
has stoppages for advantages or another issue in rugby. So
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I don't want to see us being pulled back at
the defense of other end for ten meters for something.
But I do want to make sure it's as correct
as possible in the red zone so that people are
seeing those opportunities happening.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You make a good point, Steven. I quite like that
inside the twenty two only. Let's go to Murray evening.
Speaker 10 (34:45):
Murray, I don't know how you're doing.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm good yourself, Yeah good?
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I reckon I should get rid of the TMO. They've
got Shakespeare of eyes on the field. They the line
umpires talk to the rent and they have walked down
to try awarded or knock on or whatever. And then
they stand in the middle of the field and a
bit of TV screen or if they can't saw it
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out between the three of them, is something wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I think you make a very good point, Murray. How
many eyes of I mean, there's plenty of eyes on
the park, all employed to do a job, and they
still have to rely on a big screen to go
up and do it and stop the Game's that's my
frustrating is the stoppage in the game, not whether the
decision are correct or not. It's the stoppages that do
my head. And Aaron Wood standing by, let's go to
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him as we count down to origin number three. It
is ten away from eight Sports Talk and time now
to talk state of origin. Just a couple of hours
or thereabouts out from the decider between New South Wales
and Queensland and Sydney. Who would have thought that we
would have had a decider after this comprehensive Game one
(35:58):
victory at sun Corpse Stadium, full time the South Wales
that credit to the Marons and Perth they well back.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Dismissed expected coins, I've risen from the dead again, all
stit up rather nicely for the decider tonight's at a
Core Stadium in Sydney and joining us to look ahead
to the match.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
She played fourteen times for New South Wales. Now I'm
broadcasting He's gonna be calling the game for Triple EAM
in a matter of ours prop. Aaron Woods joins the
program here on news Talk ZIB. Aaron, thanks so much
for your time, no.
Speaker 14 (36:36):
No worries, thanks for having me legend appreciate it. It's
time and speaking to people in New Zealand other than
that Princess Shaw Johnson.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
So I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, how good is a state of origin decider? I mean,
I know that you'd rather win it in a clean sweep,
but this has surely got the Eastern seaboard absolutely pumping.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Ah, you're not wrong. Look game one to win up
a sunt court for the Blues. Well, pretty confident going
into the game to in Perth.
Speaker 14 (36:57):
But as the Coenslanders do, when everyone's against them, the
backs against the roofs, they stand up and they just
had a great performance led by the one only camera
mans In.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
The look in his eyes when he came out, he
could tell he was on for that game. But now
we got a decider there. This is what this is
what the NROL won. This is what us I and
Queensland people want.
Speaker 14 (37:16):
They're come to our home ground, these Queenslanders, and tonight,
I honestly cannot wait. There's been so much talk the drama,
the theater, you know, obviously the devastating news for the
captain of the queens Inside losing his father. In the
build up, Billy Slatter's made some huge decisions bringing back
Josh poppet Lee out of retirement of origin Shibasaki in there.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
And the Blues Mate, they're just flying under the radar.
Speaker 14 (37:37):
I think there's a big storm brewing and you know what,
I think it's going to hit the Queensland side at
eight ten tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Do you think the weight of expectations now on Queensland
given they did level the series back in Perth a
couple of weeks back. Yeah, Look, I.
Speaker 14 (37:50):
Think we're expecting Queensland to do a Queensland. There's so
much talk in this build up is the miracles coming?
Obviously Game two was this is how I was going
to win by how many?
Speaker 8 (38:00):
But it didn't happen.
Speaker 14 (38:00):
As I said, the great Queens thend size, they stand
up when they need to deliver, and tonight I just
believe a lot of the pressure it's going to be
on queens Then Billy Floder's made some big cause. You know,
they're talking about this fairy tale, the Queensland spirit, it's
all you know, all the stars are aligning for him.
But the one thing that I'm happy as as a
New South Wales fan is that the news of ours
(38:23):
Blues are flying under the RAIDO has been very quiet
on our end and we just don't know what's coming.
We've had Latrell Mitchell's had a really quiet series deal
on Edwards's finding for him, and Nathan Cleary is not injured,
so anything could happen tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is there one player in particularly that you think needs
to stand up for the Blues this evening, Well.
Speaker 14 (38:39):
Well, no doubt, obviously we need we need Cleary. Clear
is our main man. He's our He's the pivot that
you know's need. He went into the game too, he
twins he's growing. Goal kicking The day before for Game
two and he just he was limited. He couldn't do
the long kicking in the game and he could tell
it really harms his running games.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
So this time he's fit. I don't think he'll be
goal kicking. I think he's just going to let Zach
Lomax do that.
Speaker 14 (39:01):
Hopefully Zach Lomas kick some goals tonight, because we scored
more tries and than the Queens that last time.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I just couldn't convert them into goals. But I reckon
this is this is the moment, this is There's been
so much talk. Is clearly a great player.
Speaker 14 (39:14):
I already think he is a great player, winning four
competitions in a row, but to go to that next
level to be classes immortal of our game, I think
he really needs domat Origin and I think this is
his time.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
He's ready to go. He's twenty eight years of age, he's.
Speaker 14 (39:27):
Matured his body, he's fit, and I think we're going
to see a big performance from Nath tonight.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You played under Laurie Daily when he was new South
Wales coach the first time around. What have you seen
from him this time around in the way that he's
adapted to he's part two of his coaching career in Origin.
Speaker 14 (39:42):
I think the big thing for Loss is how he
handles coming out of a loss. And you know, when
I was there in those series previously, he sort of
not to go hiding.
Speaker 8 (39:52):
You looked a little bit quiet and you could just.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Tell the you know, just the persona of Lauri Daley's
a big you know, he's a strong figure. He just
looked like he was just taking down the peak. Whereas
this time he's held his own, he's held his team straight,
which is really good.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
You know, Winds of Joy.
Speaker 14 (40:06):
He's had the same mindset going in the next one
and this one like, look he's come out you know
obviously with the devastating news. As I said before with
Karen Montz's father, you know, he's come out and said,
you know, there's things that are bigger than the game.
And probably before in his series when he did coach,
he probably wouldn't try and mention that he might have
just tried to lay low and just stay out of it.
But he's front footed it. He's acknowledged what they did
(40:28):
wrong in Game two. Not once did he blame the referees.
He was not happy with our discipline of the new
south Well site. So he's own where they've been wrong.
And they've had ten days in this camp and to
speak about things that they've done wrong, they really need
to action it.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
So I really love what Laurie's doing.
Speaker 14 (40:44):
And there's a lot, like I said, there's a lot
of question marks over last, this is an unlosable series
after winning Game one at Suncourt, but origin it's a
funny thing and he can happen.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
So happy to see how he's going, and he's still
got the big smile on his face.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Former Blues prop Aaron Woods with us just a couple
of final questions, Aaron, Josh, Papa Lee, you mentioned him before,
how big is him coming out of retirement to help
them Marones and could it be the winning difference tonight.
I know you won't want to hear that.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
It's massive. He's one of those blokes. As soon as
he walks in the change room you look.
Speaker 14 (41:17):
Next to him go jeez, I thank god he's playing
with me tonight. He's got that comfort for players around him.
He's got that aura he's been. He was part of
that Origin series without one eight in a row. So
he's one of the legends that knocked off Miss so
Well was for a long period of time and he's
one of the players that a lot of the kids
in that side of the Queensland team but wat's growing up.
So to have a bloke that you idolized as a
(41:37):
kid there next to you and then now you're going
out to go to War or play in Origin with Jesez,
you must grow a leg and it's just exciting.
Speaker 8 (41:43):
It just adds to the theater.
Speaker 14 (41:46):
Billy Slader probably had the chance to do it last
year but held back, and then he's thinking that this
is the right time to pull the sugar on it.
Populi playing our standing footy for the Raiders. They're coming
first for a reason, and I reckon you'll go there
and he's first twenty minutes.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
It'll either make or break the game.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Aaron Woods give us a prediction. WI will the game
be won and lost to Night and who wins?
Speaker 14 (42:05):
I reckon New South Wales win obviously bringing a blue
I be blue.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
I reckon you. I was win by twelve.
Speaker 14 (42:11):
I think we kick all our goals and I just
reckon the start from New South well is they're going
to be very disciplined. They're not going to give away
eight penalties in the first half and that's just a
job for them to do and to do it in
front of their home state.
Speaker 8 (42:22):
They're gonna love it. So a big victory for I
was by twelve points.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
We look forward to that game tonight and bits of
luck with your coke commentary tonight. Aaron Woods, thanks for
joining us across New Zealand on news Talk ZEDB no Iris.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
Thanks to appreciate for having me Aaron Woods there from.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
My New South Wales prop back end the Blues by twelve.
Thank you very much your calls and text tonight. Sorry
that we can't get to all of the text, there
are plenty on the TMO we're in the Capitol tomorrow night.
We will have an all Blacks team for Tests two.
My thanks to ants. We'll see you tomorrow night from
the Capital.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
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