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Rugby commentator Tony Johnson on the All Blacks' victory over France.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldergrave
from News Talks ed be.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello there, currely, good evening and welcome in some Monday
night sports talk on news Talk said be best eel Day,
July fourteen, six years since this.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Two to win, Gott's kind of pushed for Todd.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've got to go.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's kind its throat, It's gonna go to the keepers
in He's gotta Then You're gonna run the World Cup
by the Paris of Margins, by the Paress of Old Margins, Ebsil.
Ecstasy for England, agony, agony for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I should have actually as should have warning there, shouldn't
I kind of dropped that on you without any warning.
I'm sure for some of you that rakes over smold
coals that you weren't that keen on disturbing. Six years
to the day since the twenty ninth Cricket World Cup
Final at Lord's. I'm Jason Pine Show producer is Andy McDonald.
We're here to like talking sport. The All Blacks two

(01:15):
and zero for the year.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
And that will be full time. That's my stadiums, the
All Blacks forty three front seventeen, the All Blacks got
tuning up in the series and a much improved performance
in fronts of the Wellington Faithful tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
How impressive or raisers men on Saturday night in Wellington?
How much improvement was there? And what will this mean
now for Test three in terms of selection? How to
your reward efforts and performance and also give everybody a crack.
Scott Roberson has said he wants to give everybody a game.
By my count, there are six in the current squad
who haven't had any game time in the first couple

(01:54):
of matches, so I guess you'll put them into the
twenty three. Who else? There's also the small issue of
their only being now two fit locks in the squad
Fabian Holland and Patrick two week pilot to Scott Barrett
out and now to por Vai out. So would this
possibly mean another test debut in the offering this coming
Saturday for Natoorah, a koy who has been called into

(02:18):
the wider squad. He might find himself in the twenty three.
That's all to come. I'm gonna kick it around with
Tony Johnson shortly. Your thoughts are very welcome. Also tonight
we're in Sydney ahead of the Sunny Bill Williams Paul
Gallon fight on Wednesday night. A lot of hype around
about this. David Nika is on the undercart as well.
Our man in the Harber City is Elijah Feel. We're

(02:39):
going to have a chat to him at well around
twenty five to eight. Twenty to eight or so. He's
been at the pre fight presser today to soak it
all in. A great morning for New Zealand motorsport. This
has to be mentioned. We had it in our news
and our sports news across the day. Shane van Gisberg
and continuing to stun his rivals in the NASCAR Cup Series,

(02:59):
a second week in a row that he's taken the
check had flagged this one at the latest event in California,
his third consecutive road triumph. He's the fastest driver to
reach four NASCAR Cup victories since nineteen sixty seven. And
before he did that, there was a Kiwi flavor on
the podium at the latest Indiecar race in Iowa as well.

(03:19):
Marcus Armstrong with his best ever result on an oval.
He came in third. Scott Dixon was second, So terrific
stuff for our Kiwi drivers this morning. Where will they
be on Piney's Power rankings? Do we rate the week
every Monday night? The BET's the worst and the in between.
From the last seventy two hours or so. They are
certainly in the mix Dixon, Armstrong and the Giz, But

(03:44):
how far up because there's a lot of competition in
terms of the sporting excellence across the weekend. Please join
the show if you would like to. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty will get you through on the phone
nine two ninety two to send you texts in or
emails to Jason at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot MZ. Ten
and a half past seven.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
The right call is your call on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Sports Talk All on your home of
Sports News Talks'd.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Look to drive it to go down the left hand light?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
What happened there?

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Camright?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
God sneaks away from outside the twenty two and the
All Blacks for the first of the.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Night and the first of a number of tries in
Wellington on Saturday night, which saw the All Blacks reclaim
the Dave Gallaha Trophy, beating France forty three seventeen in
Wellington to take an unassailable two nill lead in this
three match series, with the third Test in Hamilton this
coming Saturday. Scott sport commentator Tony Johnson with US on
Sports Talk TJ. Thanks for your time. How satisfied you, reckon,

(04:45):
Scott Robertson will be after his side's performance on Saturday
night compared to Dunedin the week before.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
I think you'd be a lot happier after the second
Test than he was after the first. I think they
were satisfied enough to get the wind piney, but there
were a lot of work ons and I think most
of those work ons we saw improvement in those on
Saturday night. Still a few things to work on some
of the set Sorry, the kickoff receptions weren't brilliant, Just
one or two little aspects here, and they went through

(05:14):
a bit of a period in the second half where
things got a little bit sloppy, But by then, I
guess the tests they knew they were going to win
the Test, probably by a comfortable margin. Changes coming on
sometimes happens in test matches, but no, I think, by
and large, I think they'll be really pleased with the
steps that they took in the second Test. And I

(05:37):
guess now the task is to continue that improvement when
they go to Hamilton for the third.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
In terms of the things that you saw biggest improvement
and the ones that Scott Robertson even highlighted after the
first test that he was hoping to see some gains
and what impressed you specifically, particularly in that first half
on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
I picked the platform that the team laid first of all,
the forwards have done a really good job and it's
exciting to see the way Fabian Holland has taken to
Test Rugby are really big man in the middle of
that all black packing got them off to a good start.
He spook the French we but at line out time
he's been winning all his own line out ball but
he was a real menace there. We know how good

(06:17):
he is around the breakdown. But I think what we
saw was just evidence that a couple of tweeks that
they've made to the team in terms of the personnel,
they did the right thing by giving them another chance
and so what we saw was at tupaul Va and
just a shame that he picked up that head knock
and has ruled him out of Hamilton. But growing in
that number six Jersey that there's some depth potentially at

(06:41):
lock when you consider how well Patrick Tuipolotu played in
the place of Scott Barrett Holland just looks there to
stay and who knows what his ceiling is, and you've
still got Sam Dowry to come back, and a couple
of other guys on the fringe. So I think maybe
the development of tupaul Va as a guy who could
be a very good test lock, but he could be
an extremely good Test number six. The balance looked good,

(07:05):
the aggression looked good, They carried the ball really strongly
and that kind of set the platform for what was
to follow, and obviously we saw some good back play
as well. So to me, that was just I think
it was just across the board, like a five to
six percent improvement, which at that level is usually quite significant,

(07:27):
and I think that was probably the most pleasing thing
that they stepped it up. They addressed some of the
issues that that had in Duneden, and you know, it's
still room for improvement, but everything that can improve is
certainly of the fixable variety. There's nothing in there that's
sort of saying, boy, you know that's not working. Or

(07:48):
this needs to change or something like that. It's just
a general across the board development of the team and
the very positive I think to.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Paul v was one of the two players I wanted
to get your view on. So let's start with him.
Have you seen enough? Is he the man to wear
six and these really big test matches to come like
in the.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Year, Well, when you consider how little he's actually played there,
I think he'd played He started one Test before this
series at number six and I'm pretty sure they lost
that one. And he's had a few games there, but
not many for the Chiefs. But he fills that tight
loose role where a guy who has to have the
ability of a tight forward to move bodies at the breakdown,

(08:30):
that sort of thing. But he makes his tackles. He's
a very good, strong direct runner. He runs quite low
and that makes him hard to stop. And of course
he's a very good lineout forward. They've got plenty of
options at line out with him being in the team.
I just had a feeling at times last year they
just didn't have enough height. They needed an extra tall player.

(08:50):
They were operating with a reasonably small loose forward trio,
and I think he's provided the balance there. But the
other thing too is you know he's got a good
rugby IQ. He's an intelligent player. He's a player who
is improving all the time. I think definitely having him
start the game and Sammy Penny Fenwe coming off the bench,

(09:13):
we know what a good impact player he can be
and don't forget at some point in the future Shannon
Frizzell might come back into the mix as well. So
there's some depth there. But also the balance enables Ardi
Savia to play where I think he definitely plays best,
and that's on the open side.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
The other player I wanted to get you view on
was Billy Proctor, another who's been given opportunities consecutive Test
matches in the thirteen Jersey. I think by his own admission,
he was better in Wellington than he was in Dunedin.
Does he appeal to you TJ as the long term
All Black center, Well.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
He's certainly a player that I really liked watching play
over the last few years. I think at twenty eighteen
when he played his first Test that was up in Tokyo.
If I'm not mistaken, Piney, he's always looked the goods.
Of course, at super rugby level, and the way the
Hurricanes play they've been they've been good enough to be
able to create that half a meter and half a

(10:11):
second of time and space that you don't always get
at the top level of the game, and he's a
guy that can make the most of that. His first test,
I think he kind of got singled out because there
was a mistackle. He came up, got himself into a
bad spot and tried to make the tackle and the
guy stepped through him at a sodby the fallback, and
I guess that was quite glaring, but it's not the

(10:32):
sort of mistake you see from him, and look, I
like the idea of him being at center. I still
think that Recall Julani is a guy who could be
play well at center as well, but particularly with the
sad news today that Caleb Clark's going to be out
for probably a couple of months, may well miss the
Rugby Championship, that's the combination I think going forward with

(10:55):
Billy Proper at center and Recall Yuan on the left wing.
I think the injury to Caleb Clark probably means that
that is going to be the combination, and it doesn't
bring with any great concerns. I think it's a good
combine and it'll get better as they get time working together.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
How big a step up will the All Blacks have
to make when South Africa visit in September, they'll have.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
To make a big step up. But I think they'll
have to make another step up again a match of
the series. Guilty A won't want to go home empty handed.
He'll at least want to go home on a positive note. So,
you know, having mixed the team around a fair bit
in the first two test matches and rather treated it

(11:42):
as a bit of a development exercise, which doesn't set
all that well with me and a lot of the
old fashioned types of the purists of the game. But
that's what he's done. But he'll put his best team
out this week and so I think they'll probably have
to take another step up even this weekend. But look,
there's no doubt about it. At the moment, the spring
Box are formidable. They built tremendous depths. They're trying all

(12:04):
sorts of wacky things just to try and shake the
tree or wee bit and see what can stick and
what doesn't. And they're just so cop full of confidence.
There's a real swagger about them at the moment, so
there's no question there are things that the All Blacks
are going to have to be better at. Their attention
to detail under the high bores as one of them.

(12:26):
I think there was an improvement of that on Saturday. Definitely,
that was probably the biggest work on to come out
of Duneden. That their work under the high ball wasn't
great at all and that it'll have to be exceptional
to the fuse the Springboks kicking game. So I think
that's one big area that they'll have to keep working on.
I think they've got the attacking mouse there. The defense

(12:48):
stepped up really as well. At the weekend. They got
broken a few times and dun Eden and the defense
improved and that's a really positive sign as well, because
the Springboks are going to challenge you in lots of
different ways, so I think and Marshall probably summed it
up best with a comment that he made last night.

(13:10):
He said, if the All Blacks were playing the spring
box right now, you're back the spring box. But if
there are signs of an upward curve the way this
team has started the year, then by the time they
get here for that Test match in a month or
so's time was a two months time? You know, the

(13:31):
All Blacks are going to be in much better shape
to take them on in the two Test matches here
and a chance to beat them and keep that record
at Eden Park alive. I don't have to continue to improve.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
What did you make of South Africa's innovations against Italy
deliberately forcing a scrime to start the game line out
in the middle of the park. What did you make
of it all?

Speaker 6 (13:54):
Well, it's kind of amusing in a way because a
bit of the mad Scientist about Russia Erasmus. I mean,
he is a unique character and you don't agree with
everything that he does. I mean, I still think he
got up very lightly for his conduct towards the referee
and the referees in the Lions series a couple of

(14:15):
years ago or four years ago it is now, But
you've just got to admire the way the guy, the
way the guy just tries to change things up. They've
brought new dimensions in to South African rugbian. Obviously, Tony
Brown sort of guy, a great sidekick to have in
those sorts of scenarios. The two things that we saw

(14:36):
at the weekend. Firstly, the quick kickoff. I mean that
was just a like a show of strength. It's like
we want to have a scrum within the first minute
of the game because we think we're going to boss
you at scrum time. The only thing was that what
they did was illegal because it was a deliberate infringement.

(14:57):
They deliberately broke a law, which is that the ball
has to go ten meters. They made no effort to
do that and so and also the player it was
at Ester Hayes, it's got ahead of the ball anyway,
so he was offside, so it should have been a
penalty too, Italy on halfway right from the off. The
ref got that wrong. So I don't think we'll see

(15:19):
that one again. The other one is more perplexing, and
that's the issue with the guy taking a high pass,
jumping up, bringing it down and setting them all in midfield.
It's outrageous the way they've done it. It's not original.
Apparently an under fourteen team at Paul Russ it's a
school in Stellenbosch apparently tried it. Someone took the Springbok

(15:43):
management or coaching staff off about it, and so they
thought they'd try it. What's really effective about it is
that as long as they set it up right and
don't put the lifters in front of the ball claimer
the jumper when he comes down as a line out,
then there's nothing illegal about what they're doing. They can

(16:05):
have their wedge there, they're more all set up ready
to go the minute his feet at the ground, and
the options for the opposition is that you pretty much
have to wait for them. You can't. You can contest
in the air, but like a line out, if you
hook an arm around the jumper's hand or something like that,

(16:26):
you'll get penalized for playing someone in the air. So
there's that. You can't knock the blocks or the lifters
out of the way because a mall hasn't formed, so
that would be illegal play. It's actually I think this
one is going to be discussed at great lengths by
the referees just to see what whether it's illegal. Outwardly,

(16:50):
I don't think there's anything illegal about it. It's very
very difficult to defend without collapsing. I think you could
sack it immediately like you do with a line out
and bring it down. Other than that, you're just going
to have to get some bodies behind the ball and
try and stop the driving more because it worked really well.

(17:11):
So it's an interesting one. I saw Nigel Owen's comment
about it and he basically said, yeah, this is a
tough one because what they did didn't appear to be illegal.
Both times they got penalty advantage, and so that's going
to be a talking point. The big question to me
is do they keep trying to do it or do

(17:31):
they keep it up their sleeve for a big moment
in a Test match, Because if the more they do it,
the more people are going to scrutinize it and try
and find something wrong with it. So I think that
might be one that they tried a couple of times.
They might just put that away and bring it out
when you least expect it, and.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Who knows what else they have up their sleeve. TJ
always love chatting rugby with you, mate, Thanks for joining
us tonight.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Okay, Piney che go on mate.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
That is Tony Johnson from Sky Sport with us on
the show. Those innovations by the spring Box, I'm sure
you've had a look at them. If you haven't, I'll
just briefly explain. So at the very start of their
game against Italy, they had a man in front of
the ball and didn't kick at ten meters, which you know,
either of those two things, if they're done inadvertently by

(18:18):
a team, leads to a scrum on halfway with the
feed to the other team. So what South Africa have
done has done it deliberately, forcing that scrum at the start,
and it's caught everybody by surprise, including the referee because
in examining it, they've actually broken the law on purpose

(18:38):
and you're not allowed to do that. It should have
been a penalty to Italy because there are second five
was in front of the ball. He's done it on purpose.
I mean it's a little bit subjective in terms of
whether he's trying to kick at ten meters. He's certainly not,
so you could say, look intentionally, in those two ways,

(18:58):
they have broken the rules of the game. So it
should have been a penalty. So but it caught everybody
by surprise. I just love the innovation. You know, we're like, oh,
what's going on, what are they doing? And then you
realize they want a scrum first up, which is an
opposition feed so that they can her dominance right from
the very start of the game. It's then basically beating

(19:21):
their chest and saying our scrum is all powerful. The
second one is the midfield. It's like a lineout right.
You think about how a lineout forms. They throw the
ball in and whoever's receiving the ball is lifted by
a couple of his teammates up into a high position
to get the ball, bring it down, and then they
might go into a rolling mall exactly the same accepted

(19:44):
done in the middle of the field from the base
of a ruck. The arfback's given it off to the
first receiver who's been lifted up in the air by
his mates, brought it down. Others wrap around and then
they start a mall in the middle of the field again.
And just listening to TJ there hard to defend, hard
to be ready for. You don't know when they're going

(20:04):
to do it, at least in a line out, you know,
okay to line out, they might form up and start
a rolling more This is the kind of thing in
the middle of the part they can do anytime. But yeah,
Nigel Owen's the former top top referee, has had to
look at it today and said, look, you know there
are parts of it that could be illegal. Must says,

(20:25):
it's got Tony Brown written all over it. That is
absolutely no, absolutely, no surprise, mus You're dead right, just
the innovation that they are bringing. And like I say,
they've shown their hand against Italy with those two. You
cannot tell me that they don't have other things up
there sleeve for later on in the Rugby Championship and

(20:47):
in particular when they arrive here, because that's the thing
as well as now the All Blacks have to prepare
for the second of those two things. The first one
won't happen anymore. It's just a they've done it. It's
a one and done, I think. But that midfield move
that looks like a lineout, the All Blacks have to

(21:07):
prepare for it just in case. And it's now a
little bit of that double bluff. The South Africans, you know,
know that the All Blacks have to take up some
of their valuable preparation time preparing for what they do
in a situation like that, and they could just as
easily not pull it out. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is our number nine two, nine to two.
If you want to send your thoughts by text also

(21:28):
on the All Blacks looking ahead to this coming weekend,
and Scott Robertson said today that he is still going
to stick to his promise of playing all of his
players in the series. One game to go by Mike count.
Six players haven't played in the first two tests. I'll
give those two in a moment, and you can perhaps
tell us what you think in terms of whether they'll

(21:50):
get a game or not. In fact, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Here are the players who haven't had a game so far,
who are fit and in the squad. Brody McAllister hooker,
he can come in at reserve hooker for his debut,
no problem. I think Cody Taylor probably starts this weekend
because it'll be his one hundredth test, and I think
he should celebrate that on home soil. So I think
Brodie McAllister comes into reserve reserve hooker. Noah Hotham similarly halfback,

(22:18):
probably reserve halfback. I'd give Roy gard a break, not
that he would want one, but I'd say to cam
Roy gardey, don't worry about this one. Cortez Latimer can start,
and Noah Hopem comes off the bench. Tyree Lomax he
can come into the starting tight hair position or off
the bench. Luke Jacobson will with two poor vaty out.
I think Jacobson could start at six or if they
put some at penny feet now there Jacobson could I

(22:40):
guess start at number eight or just come off the bench.
Covers all the positions, so no problem there. Anton Lennett
Brown hasn't played. I think he may well start in midfield,
depending on how they decide to cut and slice it.
It could be Quintupire at twelve and Anton Lennar Brown
at thirteen on their home ground and Ruben Love. I

(23:01):
think Ruben Love will probably start at fullback. Will Jordan's
just got a wee niggle although you wouldn't know it,
but I think maybe it's just not worth risking, so
Ruben Love perhaps comes into the starting side at fullback.
Are the changes I reckon. Damien McKenzie probably starts at
first five. Oli Norris might get a start on his
home ground the first Test start. Severa Reese I think

(23:21):
definitely deserves to start, having only lasted a minute down
in Dunedin with the head knock. And as I said
at the top of the show, there might even be
a test debut off the bench for natoah ar Koy.
Who's the next cab off the rank. As far as
locks are concerned, Scott Barrett's out two Porvit is out,

(23:42):
so only Holland's and twoy pilot to now has fit
locks in the squad. You wouldn't want to go in
with only two. You've got to have cover. What if
one of those two went down in the first minute,
who else would come into lock? I guess female could,
but I reckon you'd want another lock. There lots to
talk about. Let's get into it. Hello, Michael tiny, here

(24:04):
you go mate, very good things. Michael thinks for your
call mate.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
He just wanted to touch on that kick off by
South Africa. So obviously they got a free free kick
should have been a penalty, like you've said, Why was
it also not a yellow card?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I just think it caught them all by the price. Yeah, yeah,
either caught them all by the price Voden Barrick.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
It's a yellow card for a deliberate knockdown, and obviously
what South Africa did was intentional, So why was it
therefore not a yellow card as well?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah? Yeah, I think it's it's probably a different set
of sea hum stand So I know what you're saying, Michael.
You know it's a it's a deliberate act that breaks
the laws of the game. It doesn't prevent a try.
I think the yellow card for the knockdown is there
so that people just don't go about willing k nelly
preventing tries on the outside. But yeah, look, I think,
like I say, at the time, the referee, whoever it was,

(24:57):
one of the top referees in the world, presumably just
got caught on the hop for shivers. You've you have
a kicked a ten or a man a man in front,
it's a scrum, whereas in you know, in hindsight, the cold,
hard light of day, it's a penalty. But look, I
just think it shows that they're willing to try a
couple of things.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, I do. I do like Rassi's way of thinking
about the game. And like I said, Tony Brown's obviously
God has gone in his ear as well with one
of the stuff he used to do with the Highlanders.
But yeah, it isn't interesting to watch that stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, indeed, Hey, thanks Michael, appreciate your calls. This evening
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number,
twenty eight away from eight. We'll take a break. Come
back with more of your calls in a month.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
You no need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown
on Sports Talk. Call oh eight hundred News Talk.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Taking your call, Hello.

Speaker 8 (25:45):
Lawrence Gooday Today that Springbok technics. You've got to admire
the creativity. But that and while that kickoff was clear
and obvious and intention and should have been a penalty,
what would be a little bit more cloudy is if,
for example, that they are on defense, is a line
break and the tack all that goes to ground. You know,

(26:06):
quite often the defensive team gets penalized for holding on.
In that scenario, you could do a deliberate knock on
to get the scrum to at least have a chance
of getting into bat you know, and you know receiving
a high wall back in your twenty two. If you
can't pull the mark and you're not deliberate knock on,
it's going to be a lot harder for the rest
to pick up whether it was an accidental knock on

(26:27):
or a deliberate one. And of course, the ultimate defense
to that from an all black fan support a point
of view is if you've got a bloody good scrum,
it's not going to be an issue. They're not going
to want to scrum you.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, And I think that's it, Lawrence. You know, I
think you know against it's a lee. They probably just
thought I will try it against these blokes. I can't
see them ever trying it against the all Blacks, just
on the one you just mentioned with a knock on.
So just just unpack that for me again. So a
long kickdown field that you're going to mark, but you're
not going on instead so that you have a scrum.
Is that what you're.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
Saying, Yeah, to get the penalty, because if you take
a mark, you're giving the line out in positions away
And you're saying like if you go to if somebody's
done a grubber and these fullbacks come across and is
going to ground under pressure, quite often that fullback, you know,
they get penalized for holding on because they've got no support.
In that scenario, you can do a little knock on

(27:15):
and can get the scrub right, relieve the pressure, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, I'm with you now, Lawrence.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
As for the line out in midfield, there's nothing nobody
can do about a legitimate tactic. Well, it doesn't mean
that other teams can't do it.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
That's a good point, Lawrence. Someone actually said here on
text that a mall is only formed when there's a
ball carrier and one player from each side. So to
combat that, defending players can go around the back and
play the ball. I guess they could. But the problem
to strike there is that you've basically got three or
four blokes running other pos towards your try line. So
I'm not sure that you'd been wanting to do that.

(27:52):
Thanks for your call, Lawrence, appreciating mate, drive safe, Hello.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
Buzz here you go, mate, talking about the Blackburns myself.
But I listened to and watch that game. For those girls,
there's really really well. But my main concern is the
goal kicking. I really need I really think that they
need to get a help from if they got one

(28:17):
of the All Blacks or even Shawn Johnson becoming and
and teach her how to kick the ball properly. That
if you don't, if you don't go over the girl
the Ladies World Cup with a goal without a goal kicker,
you must well stay home.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, Well, any any game of rugby without a goalkicker.
Buzz is probably is a relevant point that you make.
If you're not kicking any goals, you're leaving a lot
of points out there. I'm just bringing up the stats
from the weekend. Yeah, so one misc conversion to three,
three miss conversions, four five six missed conversions.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
You're right, Yeah, sixteen points that she missed. I really
you know that they played a bloody good game, doesn't
they mean? I love watching them play, but they they
need some help with the goal kicker. If they're going
to keep that young lady as their goal kicker. That's
that's all I need to say.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
No, good on your bus. It's a great point, well made.
It is a great point. And we know the game
are going to be a lot tighter at the World Cup,
aren't they a lot tighter? So you know, you're right,
you need to kick the goals and you know thirty
seven twelve doesn't matter. But yeah, when it comes to
when it comes to much tighter games, then then yeah,

(29:33):
I think perhaps we need to be maybe placing a
bit of focus on it.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Mark are you there?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Fny, I'm here mate?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Can I Mark?

Speaker 6 (29:42):
All right?

Speaker 9 (29:42):
How's it go?

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (29:44):
I'd like to see Damien McKenzie starter. I think he
sort of almost needs to have a full game there.
We've seen what body can do, and he's obviously going
to be the starting you know, number ten going four,
but I sort of feel like Damien needs to be
like take on a full game management role rather than
that sort of frantic role where he comes on and

(30:04):
sort of tries to run everywhere because you know, you
never know when an injury is going to happen. And
I think going forward this year, officially against the spring Bots,
you'd quite like to have Damien having that experience. I mean,
I know you had the experience last year, but I
mean it's almost going to be a bit more recent
going into specially with the spring Bots coming up, because
I mean they're going to be a huge, huge test

(30:24):
for the All Blacks.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Are they.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I think he will start on Saturday, Mark, I think
that's what they'll do. I reckon they'll give him a
crack there, and like you say, because again, you've just
got to be ready for all eventualities, right, if Boddy
was to go down, then Damien's the next man up
as the number ten, and if he comes in without
any Outney real rugby there. No, I agree, I think
he'll start. Think body will probably get the get the

(30:47):
evening off, as will a couple of others, and d
Mac will get the opportunity to see how he goes
there running the cutter. Good to chat to you mate.
Got to move to Sydney where after a decade of
verbal jabs, Sunny Bill Williams and Paul Gallum will finally
get in the ring on Wednesday night at Kudos Bank Arena.
Elijah Feet is in Sydney covering this fight for us.

(31:08):
The pre fight press conference Elijah took place this afternoon.
Talk us through how that played out.

Speaker 10 (31:13):
Yeah, well, you'd think for two guys who haven't really
been in the same room, given the as you mentioned,
a decade or verbal jabs, there'd be a bit of
fireworks or.

Speaker 11 (31:22):
I guess some explosiveness between the two.

Speaker 10 (31:25):
But surprisingly there was a lot of restraint shown by
both sides, probably more so from Sunny Bell given what
Paul Gallon's dished out with his words over this whole
entire build up. But I will say Paul Gallon, former
New South Wales skipper, loves a good dog dog fight
that is best near the end of the press conference
to get under his opponents skin one last time with

(31:46):
a bit of jabs. But yeah, I think there was
someone restraint there, and I think part of me thinks
that there is a little.

Speaker 11 (31:53):
Bit of respect between these two.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
Here's been talk about a lot of distrust, a lot
of dislike, but I do think at the end of
the day, there's gonna be a lot of respect. And yeah,
but the press conference probably not as explosive as you'd
like to think it is, but definitely a nice solid
way to build up to the fight.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Or I was going to ask you about the genuine
feeling between these two. Interesting that you use the word respect,
because from everything leading up to today and all the
stuff I've read and heard, and I've spoken to both
fighters on the radio head of this one, they just
seem to genuinely hate one another. Is this just sort
of typical pre fight hype.

Speaker 11 (32:29):
I think part of it is.

Speaker 10 (32:30):
I think at the start of the build Sunny Bill
said that there's no actual hate. Hates a strong word,
and Sonny Bill himself said that it's hard for him
to actually hate someone, so you wouldn't go as far
as to say hate. But I think dislike or distrust
is probably the best way to describe this feud. Part
of me thinks, yeah, this is sort of the trash

(32:50):
talk that we see in the combat space. And I
do think that when it's all sit and done, we'll
see on Wednesday night after their fight, that there is
a little bit of respect, a tiny speck. I want
to say there's a whole lot of respect, but I
see that tiny little speck that maybe when it's all
sit and done, two will eventually shake hands, because I've
even read that Paul Gallon had no plan, has no

(33:11):
plans to shake Soney Bill's hand at the end of
the fight.

Speaker 11 (33:14):
So we'll we'll sort of see what happens there.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Who is favorite to win this fight.

Speaker 10 (33:21):
It's a tough one because both fighters have been I
guess rusty that neither fighters fought since twenty twenty two.
Paul Gallon's forty three, Sonny Bill's approaching forty, so it's
a tough one to predict. I would lean more towards
Sonny because it is one he is the younger fighter,
and two there are eight two minute rounds, which you

(33:43):
think would favor the younger, fitter fighter like Sunny Bill.
So I would lean towards sunny but Paul Gallon, again,
as I mentioned before, he loves a dog fight, so
if he turns that turns into that type of contest,
then I think Gallan can definitely find a way to
get the win.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
What has been the general reaction to the eight too
minute rounds? Elijah, does that in any way water down
this fight?

Speaker 11 (34:09):
Yes and no.

Speaker 10 (34:10):
I think that was a big talking point around the
negotiations of was how long this fight was actually going
to be. Paul Gallan did push for three minute rounds
because that's what you usually see in these big boxing contests.
Sunny Bill pushed morph so for two. I think part
of it to do with for his cardio Topha's fitness,
which would lean more in his favor. In terms of

(34:31):
the general reaction to those rounds, I wouldn't say it's
had too much of an impact. At the end of
the day, we're seeing these two former rugby league players
turn the boxes, finally get into the ring. It's one
another after a decade of distrust in verbal jabs, So
I don't think it's been a big talking point, but
I do think we'll see how it affects either fighter

(34:52):
come Wednesday night.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
All right, and part of the undercard feature another key
key we David Nieker, off the back of his first
career loss at the hands of Jai Opataia, He's going
to face another key we actually, Nicholas Cherlampanos. Sorry, Cheryl,
you're going to Cheryl Ampos. See, I'm glad you're here
to help me out. Nicky should Winness one comfortably.

Speaker 11 (35:13):
Should he? He? He should?

Speaker 10 (35:15):
There's a little bit of history between the two, not
so much bad blood, but the two have sparred with
each other in the past, particularly when David was coming
up in the rank, so there's a little bit of
history there. David did say I spoke to him just
after the press conference actually, and he did say this
was probably his tough as camp psychologically, because you come
off a big world title fight loss like you did

(35:38):
against Giope Attire, that can definitely do some damage mentally
and then psychologically. So David's really had to find some resilience,
really had to dig deep during this training camp. And yeah,
it will be a great way for him to bounce
back with a win over a fellow compatriot and nick
Cheryl Lampos all.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right, we'll look forward to that on Wednesday night. Actually,
Wrexham are playing Sydney FC tomorrow night, Elijah, have you
got a ticket?

Speaker 10 (36:00):
Well, now that you mention it, Farney, I might try
and sneak my way in there. I'll do some celebri
spoting and see your frying Reynolds and and such a
ire in town.

Speaker 11 (36:09):
So I can definitely do that for your pony.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
That's good. I'm pleased that you're working for me over
there in the in the harborst city of Sydney. Thanks
for joining us on sports Talk tonight. Look forward to
your coverage of this fight across the next few days.
Thanks Helija Laja far Fit, you were there in Sydney.
Are The fight's on Wednesday night? It's set to go
as estimated. They'll get in the ring about midnight New
Zealand time. All right, So I don't know. Maybe you

(36:32):
buy the fight and never look at it. We'll just
wake up on Thursday morning and find out who won.
Fourteen away from eight we'll take a break, come back.
Where will our motor sporters be in Piney's power rankings?
Where will the all blacks be? Where will the black
ferns be? Where will others be. We'll find out when
we come.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Back our rankings.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yes we are time for Piney's Power rankings. We do
this every Monday night, rating the best, the worst and
the bits in between from our sporting weekend. Let's go
This combined New Zealand Australian rugby team soundly beaten by
the British and Irish Lions, and it denied a final tribe.
But they've already run in eight and kipt a un Ze.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Schools seen out late, dominant from minute one to eighty.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I do not think we'll see this experiment repeated anytime soon.
Sin Wales, who finally won a game of rugby after
eighteen straight defeats.

Speaker 12 (37:32):
The weight is over for Wales fans, the weight is
lifted for the Welsh players. It's been six hundred and
forty four days since they've known this feeling.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So we thought we should probably include them. Cheat our
new Wimbledon singles champions Eagish Fion Tik without Pia.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
That's a.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Way to end it. Higos Fiata adamatic display and Janick
Center with sweet revenge.

Speaker 12 (38:01):
It's Yanick Center's time to shine and Wimbledon a show
of force to just thrown his rival here.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Seven seven other spring Boks pushing the rules of rugby
with manufactured scrums.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Spring Boks who have bunched their und mine in the
book in an interesting tactic.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Manufactured a scrum opportunity.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
There's no mistake made there. That is by choice the
spring box wanting a scrum and lineouts in midfield.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Wow, a line up left and left and open play.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
They certainly know how to innovate, don't they. Six six
are our Black Ferns.

Speaker 13 (38:40):
Carmilla receipts but drop out.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
She tied it straight to the twenty two. She's invaded everyone.

Speaker 11 (38:45):
Georgia over the road.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
That is the most outrageous time.

Speaker 14 (38:48):
He ever seen.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
She ran through the entire Australian team. He stopped up
for a pie of.

Speaker 10 (38:53):
Coke on the way.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Absolutely brilliant try from Georgia Miller, part of a resounding
win before our Black Ferns head off to defend their
World Cup crown. And five five of the Your Blacks.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Your Black Foat turn her up in the series and
a much improved performance in fronts of the Wellington faithball tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, much more convincing display to quieten down some of
Razor's doubts the Warriors yesterday a fantastic day for the
club with wins for the women. There's a full time
whistle and the Warriors get their first wedding n ROLW
twenty twenty five and their first ever home won, followed
by the men. Can't around the scoreboard. Perhaps in the end,

(39:35):
wasn't it for many.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
Minutes of that contest here at Rose Women that's won
by thirty four to forty three.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
The Black Sox at three. An incredible run at the
Softball World Cup swung on football.

Speaker 14 (39:51):
You sh'd say goodbye Horrod, he works it off for
New Zealand. I do not believe it.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I fell just short, but bringing home silver medals out
Black Socks who mountain biker Semi Maxwell for three in
the latest events in the Cross Country World Cup in Endorra.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's been Maxwell heard, very very best, Samara Maxwell tis
for when in.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Power and Sala and Tora. What a performance indeed, overcoming
two crashes and a puncher to eventually win by nine
seconds one one. This evening Kiwiz in US Motor Sport
and the Indy Cars with Scott Dixon and MICUs Armstrong
on the podium.

Speaker 9 (40:40):
Dixon just doing Dixon things, looking special all the way
through finish.

Speaker 12 (40:45):
His second armstrong pats off to him, makes his birth
Podium of.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
The year, and Shane van Gisbergen with another NESCA when
it's a.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Road course runaway, Shane van guzberg dominates and wins Sonoma.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Fastest driver to reach four Cup.

Speaker 12 (41:01):
Wins since Parnelli Jones Riverside nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
That's probably cheating a bit, isn't it, having sort of
joint number ones. But they are in the same kind
of area. I feel like whales are a bit high
at nine. Geeze, fine, they lose. We put them at
ten and when they when you want to put them
lower than nine, I mean okay, I.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Mean we didn't.

Speaker 13 (41:24):
We didn't approach us as well in the power rankings.
But the Chelsea football celebrations for the Club World Cup,
and my people's hero of the week is as Donald
Trump by just joining in after he handed over the
trophy as if he was one of the boys all along.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Surprised he put a Chelsea kiss on. I would have
done Trump.

Speaker 13 (41:41):
I would have done it. Yeah, yeah, as a Chelsea
Football member myself as well.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Those are the power rankings for tonight. They're back next Monday,
coming up three to eight. That's us on Sports Talk Tonight,
Marcus Lush with you after eight to take through the
rest of Bestie All Day. Thanks for listening and huge
thanks to Ana McDonald's producing. Enjoy a couple of days off, mate.
I'm I'm actually giving this another crack tomorrow night. I've
been rostered on for Tuesday night Sports Talk. I think

(42:11):
we can't do parties power ead kigs on what happens
on Tuesday. Maybe people give it a crack. Who knows. Anyway,
I'll be back tomorrow night from seven. Look forward to
having you listen and then so

Speaker 1 (42:23):
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