July 22, 2025 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Silver Ferns captain Ameliaranne Ekenasio on why she's taking a 6-month break from netball.
Talkback - Do we like the decision Netball NZ has made around player eligibility?
Promoter David Higgins on whether Joseph Parker is likely to get a title fight against Oleksandr Usyk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Evening. Welcome to sports Talk his News Talk zi BM
Darcy Watergrave, thanks very much for taking the time to listen.
I'm with you front clock seed and talking sport funny that.
Later in the piece, we'll talk with David Higgins, promoter
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manager of Explosive Joseph Jurassic Parker. Is he on the
cusp of fighting for all of that straps in the
World War? Will Usik who dominated du Bois over the
week and defend all four against Joe Packer? Will he
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relinquish one? Will he retire full stop? We'll look across
all of those possibilities and how they come to that
final fight made decision with David Higgins. Later on the
Peace First Art, we're going to be speaking with Amelia
ran Ekanasio today. She's like, I'm off going a sabbatical.
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I'm done. Well, he wasn't that short, She'll expanded when
I talk to her shortly, But she's taking a sabbatical
and she's not going to another country to play more
netball for more money and calling it a sabbata. She's
actually going to have a break because her mind, in
the spirit of her soul, her body is broken. She
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can't do it anymore. So she's gonna have a cup
of tea and to sit down. I don't know how
long for find out more of Emelian Achanasio is the
silver Ferns skipper up shortly, But before we go anywhere
near there, let's do what we've done for what seems
like decades now, even though it isn't. Let's indulge in
(02:19):
a bit of this today in sports Today, All Blacks
skipper Scott the scooter Barrett Reckons. He's making good ground
with his half recovery, which is handy. The All Blacks
are next in action versus Los Pumas on August seventeenth.
Plenty of time to recover.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Bro the cup Trekking pretty well, I've had two weeks
of your rehab And how do we trot around? If
m g last Saturday morning as a rehab run. So
it's all all going pretty well?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Are we trot? I love the way he says that
I'm moving away from rugby to more rugby freedom of expression.
That's the call from First Nations and Pacificer. Captain Kurty
beal ahead of tonight's match against the British and Irish Lions.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Have a real good basic structure where we can be
able to express ourselves and really take to the lines.
In terms of the cultural connection thing, I think we
had a really good few days to focus on that
and I think the boys have really responded really well today.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There's mean some pointed discussion around New Zealander Crickets seven
dollars fifty levy to walk Club cricket. Is the charge
might be enough though to discourage players to play the game.
Hawks Bay Cricket Association boss Craig Finley, I.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Hope it doesn't put a barrier for people joining and
playing for Cricket club. You'd hope that doesn't happen, but
cricket has been battling a little bit over the last
few years for playing numbers, and one more barrier might
stop players from registering.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And from the Yosa Hughes gets a job file. Here's
the resting Silver Ferns Captain Amelia and Ekanacio.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I have not done anything other than being one hundred
per cent committed to netball, so it is quite scary
to step away like I'm literally unemployed after this, just
going to reassess everything. We've got to get our duck
scenow with our life. See where everything sits, you know,
when the dust settles.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And that's sport today. Ten past the seven of a
chat now with Amelia ek Nicio around that decision. What
happens next, what happened before? Indeed all come from She
joins us. Now, Hello hello Amelia and.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Hello, yes hi, how are you going very well?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And you're going to have a cup of tea to
lie down, You're going to a beach, You're going to
do nothing. News out that you've decided you're not going
to play international netball this year. First up, tell us
how you came to that conclusion. How long has it
been in the pipeline for what was the drive?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah, that's a really good question. I think it's probably
been secretly in the pipeline with us for for a
little while. For pretty much this whole year as the family,
we've just been trying to work out you know what
is you know what's most important to us and me
as a person, you know what is actually the most thing,
the thing that I want to do the most reality
is is that being a mum and you know, and
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being a leader and being a professional sportswoman has just
taken its toll on me.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
So I think it's just been a really important decision
just to step away. And I'm just I'm completely burnt out.
And so yeah, I think I break. It is absolutely necessary.
I'm really looking forward to it. It didn't make it
a super easy decision, but I know it's a right decision.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
How long has New Zealand Netball been involved in this?
When did you tell them that something has to break
and it wasn't going to be you.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, well I've had I had a couple of decisions, decisions,
oh my gosh, a couple conversations with Knowles and and
with other management around it as well. And yeah, I
think they've always known that. It's just always been a
really hard juggle having a family at the same time,
and especially when we start talking into that leadership space,
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it's kind of just another weight that I I've always worn.
So yeah, I mean, but they've been really supportive in
understanding why I need to break, And yeah, so I
think that that's really good.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Timing wise, probably couldn't be better when it comes to representation.
It's not like you're missing a World Cup, Calm Games
and the like.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean that's right. I think would it be
a different story, I just don't know. I think my
body and my mind and every other part of me,
my spirit, my soul is kind of screaming at me
that this has to happen right now. So I just
I've pushed through this in the past and it just
it just completely breaks me. So I just can't do
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that anymore. So yeah, I think the timing is right,
and we've got some incredible girls, you know, in the
squad who'll be able to carry it on.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm surprised you haven't come to this decision sooner, Amelia.
And when you talk about your body and your spirit
and your soul all being broken, is this too late?
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Well, I mean, I don't know. I guess. I guess
being you know, such a competitor and I always want
to be better. It's just something that I've always pushed through,
you know, because that's just the reality of sport is that,
you know, you get broken quite a lot. The higher
and highs and the lows are so low sometimes. So yeah,
the time is right now.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
As far as an actual break in rugby, circles, people
have sabbaticals. They just go away and make some more
money and go and carry on playing rugby. This is
an out and out break, isn't it. You're just severing it.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Well, I mean if there was somebody somewhere else that
I could play netbull, you know, who knows that could be,
that could be a real viable option. But but no,
I just need I just need a break now. And
it's just really time to you know, this is all
my kids have known, They've never really had me, So yeah,
it's just time for me to actually give back and
choose my family. For months, my husband supported me, you know,
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for so long, put his career, you know, kind of
paused and molded it around any kind of way that
he's needed to continue to support me being in their space.
So it's actually time for me to put them first
for once. And I'm really looking forward to. I mean,
I'm sure I'm going to miss it, it's all I know,
so but I'm really looking forward to, you know, just
getting to be a mom and be a wife and
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support my family for once.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Seventy nine test caps, I think off the top of
my head. So you've been there, done, that it's been
a lot. When did you start playing? When did you
first stick a dress on and go?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
I don't know, I like this well, I mean I
guess my debut for Friends was just over ten years ago,
so yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Long time before when you started playing. Sorry, when you
started playing right early on in the days as a Nipper.
You've been playing right the way through since what five,
six seven years old?
Speaker 6 (08:51):
No, Luckily I didn't start playing in toil I was twelve,
so but.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's still a long time on the grind. When are
you back? Is there a date where you're going to
return back to action again?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Well, yeah, good question.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I'm just kind of waiting to see what's happening with
our domestic season next year. You know, that's why I
haven't properly retired, because I do actually still want to play,
and I just love playing, you know. I think it's
just the reality of being a professional sports person is
that it comes with a lot more than just playing.
So yeah, I still am keeping my options open to
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see what happens. The reality is that we're taking a
pay cut next year domestically, so just considering whether that's
going to be a viable employment option. Anymore. I'd obviously
love it to be. So we're just kind of waiting
and seeing, you know what kind of presents itself.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You mentioned the R word. Was it also a consideration
that you might just gas it completely?
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
It definitely was a consideration. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You're not saying much more on that. That would have
been a very difficult thing for you to do, right
Were you talked out of it or did you see
you better? How did that operate?
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I think well, I mean I think I just sat
with it for a while, and you know, when I
kind of split between my mind on what I wanted
to do, it kind of felt I mean, I guess
at one point it did feel like that's exactly what
I was going to do, But but I just don't
think I'm quite ready yet. So yeah, that's why it's
(10:19):
just making myself unavailable right now.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And of course other news has just come out as
the New Zealand Netball after far too much time, in
my humble opinion, have decided to come to the conclusion
and what are you going to call it? The Weekay
rule that players can play overseas and still represent the
silver Ferns, that the details are still being hammered out.
But that's got to lift you for the future with
money going down here, money to be made maybe over Australia,
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and it exteems your career right, there's a great bit
of news for netballers.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, I think it is a really exciting step in
the right direction for all all of our netballers in
New Zealand, especially you know, lots of our silver firms
who who are at the top of their game and
who obviously don't have families and who are younger, you know,
because there's only so far you can go in the
same environments under the same coaches, and I think for
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them going over againing a new experience, you know, and
a different team. The professionalism and how environments are set
up over there are a stark difference to how, you know,
anything we have access here to in New Zealand. So
I think, you know, for any of our girls that
go over there, I think it's a really exciting opportunity.
I'm actually a little bit jealous that it didn't come
in my time, but I think it's going to be
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really great for them. They're going to whoever ends up
going over, they're just going to grow so so much
and bring all those learnings and all that experience back
to Silver Firm. So yeah, I think it's really cool
to see.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And suppose it's a matter of management, isn't it. Who
can go how long they can go forward? Do they
have to have x amount of cats behind them? And
so on and so forth. But they're devils in the detail.
But in general it's going to be brilliant for the game.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I think so too. Yeah, and you're right, I think
everybody's details will be different, you know. I think it's
an individual kind of base. But it's really great to
have a formalized process now that seems a little bit
fit and last.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But not least, AMELI around there canasio Sky TV have
made the plunge, they've bought TV three. This is interesting
around free to air rights for sport and the effect
that's going to have on television New Zealand. This is
big for the game too as a part as who's
going to pick it up and who's going to pay
for it. So it's been another little twist for you
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as soon as you start your rest.
Speaker 8 (12:33):
Yeah, I know it is.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
There is lots happening in Nitbull and New Zealand at
the moment, and I mean I think for us as players,
it's scary because we just don't know if we've got jobs.
So but in saying that, there is changes coming and
they have needed to come for a while, so hopefully
they just work out and you know, in the best
way possible for the sport, because I mean, Netbull has
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been such a prolific women's sport in New Zealand and
it is a shame to see it go downhill because
the impact we have in our communities is honestly massive.
I mean when we go into schools and you know,
you get to connect with kids that way, and we
only have those opportunities because it is a paid you know,
it is a job. So yeah, I really hope everything
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works out in the best case. You know that it
can for everybody you need.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
For the DMO.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
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Speaker 2 (13:33):
Seven nineteen Sports Talk here on news Talk z BE.
It's a Tuesday age like twenty second, I'm Darcy. That
was Amelia and Acarnacio, former Silverpan's skippers, like former because
she's having a bit of a break and you understand
after listening to that, why she's having a bit of
a break, shot to bits right across the board, physically, mentally, spiritually,
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soulfully or the whole life can't do it anymore. I'm
the half. Rather that than leaving all together that she's
actually had break. Smart move, Barbara text. Then I should
have asked her, given how broken she was, maybe to
get ask Nepble New Zeland a year or two to
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have a break. And we got talked out of it.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I mean six months. It's a decent break, isn't it.
And she'll reevaluate not missing anything major as far as
common games, World Cups, be mum bee wife, as she said,
renewed vigor coming back and she'll probably come back next
to her and go and play over in Australia. See
there's a couple of netball stories around, try and mold
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them together, but that might be a little on the
nuts side. But you mentioned before how the players they
don't know what they're going to do, they don't know
where their next dollars coming from. Basically they might not
have jobs. She said, she don't employed. It's like whoa
So now Netball Newszlland finally this came out yesterday afternoon.
I think it was said, you know what, I yeah,
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you can. You can play somewhere else and you can
still represent New Zealand and the black dress. That's okay.
So finally, after Wicky did what she did and everyone
really wanted her back, the board ever involved in eat
More New Zealand have seen sense withered at quiesced to
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general opinion by saying, yep, our best players can now
play overseas and there are conditions attached, and we will
never know those exact conditions until several players apply and
one of them doesn't get it and the other one
does get it, and then we'll go right, what was
the difference? But that's storm time. So they're doing what
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everyone wanted the all Blacks to do to a degree,
aren't they. And the fear there was that we'd lean
up with all over all Blacks overseas and be none here.
So they're they're the same, but they're very different, if
that makes sense. Do you like the idea that now
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essentially our best players will be allowed to leave the
country and go on play overseas? Is this the end
of the A and Z Premiership? Was that maybe going
a little too far do you like this and your
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point of view as a netball fan? The future face
of netball? And another nice way of putting it to
a colleague of mind, put today, there might be a
case where our World Cup winning team in the Silver
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Ferns will all be playing offshore. Yet they still represent
New Zealand and they're still represent us in World Cups
and they're winning World Cups? Did you accept that? And
you can attach this to the All Blacks, because I'm
sure that they'll be keeping a very keen watching brief
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on what's going on here. Would you accept that? I
don't think you would with the All Blacks, but would
you accept this with the Silver Food should it happen?
The eligibility law is moving. It's moving towards the players.
We don't know the finer details, but we do know
that some players about it earn themselves a half decent
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crust which maybe they're not getting here, and better than that,
they'll be coming back with some huge experience a deal
like this. Do you like that they've eased eligibility off
like the whole team might be playing off shore? That
would that take anything for you from the Silver funds?
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From that dress you feel it's the future though, right
because Neckburn, New Zealand's got no money, so they've got
about to play somehow, Why do let the Aussies do it?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think this move
is overdue. But there will be asterisks or asterisks around
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this which we don't know yet. But it looks like
they're bowed to the wants of the players, a bit
of public pressure to to say, you know what, Grace
is so good. I think there's a few other players
we can let go as well, and they will come back.
Will they come back? They come in? Do you like
what they're doing? Eligibility? Will the All Blacks be keeping
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a serious watching brief on the behaviors of the players
now they know they don't have to play here in
New Zealand Eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty five past
at seven lines are open?
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Do you like this?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It's only been out twenty four hours. Have you've got
thought over and going? I don't know about that. It
could be the the thin end of the wedge anyway,
more from you? Surely? Oh? One hundred eighty ten eighty.
See it's twenty five after seven.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
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context nineteen ninety two ZBZB that will attract a standard
text charge. What New Zealand Netball have done is it
the thin end of the wedge. How many players will
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end up playing over in Australia to make better money
and play arguably what is a highest standard of competition.
It's the potential will blow up in the face of
Netball New Zealand. A few questions around the release, but
I have a chat with Trevor initially, Hey Trevor, how
are you?
Speaker 11 (20:12):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
That's welcome back, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
You enjoyed your break.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I had a great break. But I need to earn
more money, rob a bank or sell a kidney, because honestly,
economy seats for twenty four hours twice destroyed my back.
I'm groveling. Can I get acc just for going on holiday?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Is that.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Maybe if you don't tell him that's heard happened?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
K blowing That one never mind. What do you what
do you make of this step? It was lately that afternoon,
this came through this eligibility thing. So does it comfortable
with you? And don't know you're a big fan, Trevor.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
Well, it was always going to happen. And I do
have a bit of a giggle when the CEO just
is it wasn't because of great I have a pronounce
the name right, Grace Nowiki, it wasn't because of her.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
It's spelled, Hey, Trevor, it's spelled it's spelled in milWiki.
But I've spoken to her and she said the even
so subtle, it's not impossible to do. So she has
call me Wecker and that is fine. So drop the
end and that's good.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Yeah, and that's good. And to say it wasn't because
the Graces choice to don't play with I just want
to say I'm Grace absolutely good honors. I mean, I
look at her and her mom and dad come to
New Zealand, obviously probably knowing not too much about New Zealand,
but just hoping to get alive better life. And now
there's daughter's a national treasure, and you know she's making
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good money and their parents probably can't believe what's happened
to them. And I just want to say absolutely good
on that family. And that's what you know you can
get coming to New Zealand. But you know what I
want to say is are we going to get players
now up in New Zealand that we don't know in
New Zealanders? You know the New Zealand Rugby League team.
I mean someone and I followed the inner real quickly closely,
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but you know some of the players mentioned in the
New Zealand Rugby League team.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I think, well, that was the base of my question.
If we end up with a team that almost competes
entirely off shore, will it still have the same weight
as a tea? You take the or Blecks for example.
If they follow this line and we don't know how
deep this isn't it any because it's not thick on
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detail the media release from Netball New Zealand. But if
they have a watching brief they got actually, you know what,
we're quite a few of our players go they world
champions and only five of them resided in New Zealand.
Would that bothery you? And this is the same with
with what happens abor happens in football, doesn't it.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Yeah, no it doesn't. I mean this is my whole point.
I mean, with no grades because Grace was in New
Zealand to we no h but I mean the New
Zealand football team New Zealand, they never lived in New Zealand.
They just have a distant relationship to New Zealand. I'm just.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Exciting when you watch, we still watch they represent New Zealand.
This is where you're sitting right. You don't think that's
a good idea, no for.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Me, Darcy. For people aren't really living in New Zealand
and based in New Zealand, and they've got a sort
of a representation back to the great grandmother in New Zealand. No,
it's not the same as knowing the people that have
been in New Zealand played in New Zealand and just
representing you know, just representing his Zealand.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean, so you've got fifteen in a team and
if say like two thirds live born played in New
Zealand that so can the other third world cut your
bit of slack?
Speaker 9 (23:37):
Well, I mean they can do that. I mean they
can do what they want to. Don't just not the same.
I mean, it's just not the same and as I say,
I suppose that's the way all sports are going. But
as I say, we've got rugby league bars and you
have lived in New Zealand. Then he come to New
Zealand to play, you know, an NRL game twice a
year and the New Zealand I just don't think it's
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got the same as the same as we see people
playing like Richard we called playing and living and being
a full time person in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But it does, it does have the cut through. And
I think what you've said, Treva, and we're going to
go another caller on thanks for your call that the
cut through.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
He here.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Says a lot about the state of international rugby league,
doesn't it really? Then where it stands in the wide
a picture of things. I'm sure we'll get more on
that from Trevor Ladder on the piece too, But let's
now go to Hayden. Good evening, Good evening, dar are Yeah,
and I'm very well relaxed, destroyed back, but I can still.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Talk good stuff, make good stuffy. If Trivia doesn't know
the rugby league team, I don't think he's watching a
lot of n r L.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
He of NRL, though, maybe it's just any cat. What's
the other players that turn up in that team and
you go who because they basically lived their entire lives
and ossie, we've got no idea who they am. Doesn't
detract from the ones from.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
The UK, but I mean most of them in the
end r L you know. But anyhow, Hey, so I
was ringing, there's a few there's a few points to this,
I think, right. The things that I like about it
is that well, one, we've got no real option, right,
it needs to happen.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
But firstly I like it.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
It's a bit of like MPC for example, to me
is some of the best footy you can watch, and
that's because you see the people getting an opportunity coming through,
coming through the grades. It's exciting, it's raw, all of
that sort of stuff that, to be honest, a far
a bit of format and super rugby I reckon. But secondly,
you know, to get to a Jersey these days, you
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know the all black stat in the day and all
the rest of it. We're all farmers and whatnot, and
you can look at all of that, but I guess,
you know, for for for women to or men to
make these national teams now you know, it is devotion,
it is a sport, and they're giving up career, other
alternative careers and so forth to get there, so they
need the money. You know, it's a finite period of time,
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and they give up so much that it just makes
sense that they're going to trace the dollars as well.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So it doesn't take anything from you that are player.
This is an argument, say with Nabel or Rugby, but
they basically are overseas and they spend most of their
time playing overseas. You still feel there's that New Zealand
connection and that doesn't bother you.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
You know, well, I think it might depend on perhaps
the parameters that maybe do you have a quota of
amount of players that can play from overseas, or maybe
that you had to have come through the likes of
like an NPC or something like that, or played a
certain amount of time there and then people do know you.
But I mean, at the end of the day, you
know they're going to go. They've they've they've put years
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of dedication and devotion to something. The opportunity cost of
you know, other careers that they could have pursued that
aren't necessarily finite or less finite you know. To me,
it's it's like otherwise you just don't see them all.
You won't see them at all because they won't even
bother coming back to play because there's nothing, you know,
I mean, you wait until if the Saudi Rugby competition
(27:18):
kicks off, for example, I mean, why wouldn't you go
and make a million dollars a season and support and
you know, for a finite period of time until you're
thirty whatever and and you cashed up and sort it
and you can support your family and so forth.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Image everything, So having a team of players that represent
New Zealand but you never see them here. So it
sounds like the America's cant Hayden, Yeah, it cans, you
be it.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
But as I said, it depends on perhaps maybe some
of the parameters where they have to, you know, spend
x amount of time here or maybe it's a quota.
There needs to be some sort of equilibrium because the
reality is we we we can't. Yeah, you just can't sustain.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You can't. Important and Nebo new Zeand have moved into
their space by saying, hey, there is a process. Now
you're read through the media update it says quite a
lot doesn't kind of say anything. They talk about a
balance between flexibility and fairness and increasingly global nature of netball.
(28:18):
That says the athletes are supported through clear and transparent
decision making. And it goes on to say, ultimately, the
purpose of this proposed process to ensure that all exemption
requests are about it fairly, consistently and transparent. It doesn't
tell me around what. It's very light on detail. Expect
(28:43):
that's deliberate. They keep saying transparent approach. Why don't you
tell us we'll make a decision on this player based
on because it sounds a bit vague to me. I
don't know if that's entirely healthy. They've got to have
played more than twenty five test New Zealand. They must
have played three out of the last two years in
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New Zealand. They something something solid, something I can sink
my teeth into. Twenty two minutes away from a sportstock
on News Talks, AB David Higgins joined us later on
tonight as well to talk about Joe Parker and where
he stands it now in the wonderful wide world of
heavyweight boxing. This is News Talks.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
If you're feeling down to swallow and.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Make you happy. Sports talk here and that news talks abs.
We don't split in the text line between what actually
may happen with you see a nipple altering their eligibility
lawlot we know a great deal about it, except it's
going to be transparency. But I can see through stuff
and it's on the other side, and I don't want
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the rulings. There's no parameters. They don't want to see parameters.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What's slightly clear? Remember Emilian Acinaccio, was it earlier this year,
late last year saying you know, you know you're okay
to play the seas and still wear the black dress
if it's over one hundred tests that it was written
nowhere the fallacy someone made it up never and jumped
on it. So a little more substance will be good
(30:21):
to know, as opposed to I will say yeah or
no based on whatever we think. That's a substance. That's
all we're after. Anyway, enough of that, let's get back
to the phone to Neil.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Hi, how are you going?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I'm going for there?
Speaker 7 (30:34):
You got.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Thank you very much for your time, TONI Also, what
do you make of the snippering situation?
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Well, I am, you know, great perfully and and so
I know a little bit a doubt, a little bit
of sim I sleep on this, and I think they're
being very vague as you say, when it comes to
the or what they're letting us will know about the eligibility.
(31:08):
And then I think that part of it is to
keep us off their back sports brothers, And we don't
necessarily know that Grace will actually get to call up
you know what I mean, she will actually be eligible
at the moment, I think, so there's nothing in there
that actually says she is allowed to play. It just
(31:30):
means that they will make that decision come time. For
so she also hasn't been given the clear like doing
yet you get when you can. That's when she doesn't
have that OTIV because I mean, at the moment, it's
all about being fear. Right, let's be fear and if
you do that, like you said, it will open up
(31:51):
the blood game. They've got a lot of work through
when it comes to as well, let you know, opening
up slow gates when it comes to that, how do
they manage it and how are they going to becf
court for great figure. Surely she's definitely got to make it, right,
but you've got to stop everyone time taking off? How
(32:16):
do you do that?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's I wanted some parameters And the line is the
rece it will allow athletes playing a broad opportunity to
be considered for silver Fern selection through a formal exemption
and process. But it doesn't say what that is. It
doesn't say twenty five tests or this amount of time
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playing in New Zealand, or wouldn't we like more clarity
in that, even though they're talking about being a transparent.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
I mean, well they did that for the last Commonwealth, right,
they allowed laural England and they allowed players back and
based on they had done had done one hundred games
or whatever and all that sort of stuff. But it
was for that, but that was just a by case.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, it was never written one hundred tests, was never
written part of something yet.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
So yeah, so I think that's what they're that's what
they're doing. That's one of those they don't actually know themselves.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
To Neil, it's brutal. Hey, look you've got to stop
you there. The line's quite hard to hear and bad enough.
And a guy's been on radio thick end of thirty years.
You go deaf by default, but thanks very much for
your call to Neil. Coming up next, David Higgins joins
us What now for Joe Parker? Twelve minutes away from
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eight over the weekend, former Welt's white now heavyweight holds
four championship belts. That's usick and he beat up on Dubois?
What now for Joe Parker? We joined by his manager,
David Parker. Good evening, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mister Higgins.
(34:17):
I don't know where Parker came from when you talk
to me now, good.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
Evening, Good day, Darcy. Please to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, great to have you on. It's great news. I
suppose when you look at Dusk and what he did
to Daniel Dubois, next step Joe Parker. That's what we'd
like to think. But what has to be overcome? What
has to be negotiated to get these two guys in
the ring for those belts?
Speaker 11 (34:42):
What happens now, David, Well, Darcy, It's really quite simple.
Usik has proven yet again he's the best in the world,
and he's become undisputed heavyweight world champion, meaning he holds
off all four championship heavyweight belts, the first since Lenix
lewis for any decent run and so now it's up
(35:03):
to Alexander Usik who he fights next. The w sanctioning
body has ordered effectively ordered him to fight Parker next,
and Parker is next in line. So if Fusik chooses
to fight.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Parker, it's all on.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Joseph will get a crack an undisputed title, which is
or four belts. I don't think that's been done by
New Zealand the last time. Joe thought it was for
one or one or two of the versions of the title.
But if Usik chooses not to fight Joseph, then you
would think either he'll be stripped of the WBO belt
(35:38):
or he'll vacate it. And in that case, Joseph probably
is still fighting four world title, but against someone else.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It won't be handed to him on a plate, but
there'll be another scrap, so what he'll find the number
two in the division. That generally how it.
Speaker 11 (35:52):
Works, David, Well, sometimes they do hand it to you
on a plate, and it's not the most glorious way
to win the title is just to be given it
without having a fight, But it has happened. If they
deemed that your interim or that you've been waiting long
enough for whatever. But sometimes they'll just to clear a
vacant title and you would fight for the title. When
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Joseph won his Royal title against Andrew Ruiz Junior in Auckland,
New Zealand at twenty sixteen December, that was for a
vacant title, so there was no champion. So in this case,
all options are on the table. Iv Usik will want
to maintain the undisputed position and give Joseph the shot shot.
(36:34):
In a merit based system, that's what should happen. But
if not, then he'll either be given the title, but
probably more likely he'll have to fight for the vacant title.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Timeline what are we waiting for? Plainly Usak has to
make that decision. But over how long? Once weeks? Years? Yeah,
good question.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
So we're in a two fight promotional arrangement with Queensburry
Box and Frank Warren. So Frank Warren's Queensburry Organization will
be negotiating with discussing it with the WBO and lobbying
to work out time frame. Normally, the sanctioning body would
give a period of time like say a month to
the camps to make a deal. They'd say, okay, guys,
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you two need to fight each other. You've got four
weeks to make a deal now. And normally, if they
don't make a deal, or if it looks like negotiations
are going nowhere, the sanctual body will often declare what's
called a purse s birred. It's effectively an option where
anyone that's sort of licensed and capable of promoting the
belt can put a tender in like an envelope with
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a check in it, basically saying this is how much
we would pay to own the rights to the fight.
They open all the envelopes, and the winning bidder owns
all worldwide rights to the fights. And then the money
they've bid gets splits between champion and challenger at normally
(37:58):
like a seventy five twenty five split. So in practice
went persepered. Say someone say Frank Warren bids ten million pounds,
you might see Usik gets seven point five and Parker
get two point five or variations of that. That's how
a persepered works. And then whoever wins then owns all
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the revenue, the television, the gates, the stadium, the tickets,
the lot and they obviously hoping that the revenue is
from what they've bid. So it's you know, not for
the faint hearts of these persepers.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Is that common? Does it happen much?
Speaker 10 (38:34):
David?
Speaker 11 (38:35):
So, when when Joseph Parker beat Andy Ruez, the WBO
ordered that Joseph and Huey Fury fight each other, the nephew,
the cousin of Tyson Fury, and our company Douco and
Queensbury who had hue Fury couldn't make a deal and
(38:56):
a perspid was ordered. So we actually participated in persepered
and we I sent one of my young staff to
Puerto Rico with an envelope with a check in it
for the depots and we made a bid. And it's
very much guests work estimating against a budget and psychology.
You have to figure out what the other party's going
to bid and try a bit a bit more, but
(39:16):
not so much a bankrupt yourself. Anyway, long story short,
we won the persepered, so Douko won the pursepered and
Huey Fury was ordered to fight Joseph in New Zealand.
We booked spark Arena, put it all on sale, and
then about three weeks out he claimed to have a
back injury and it all fell over.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Were you out of pocket? After that, David or Well.
Speaker 11 (39:38):
We scrambled and got Rev. Jan Kajanu as a replacement
opponent and ran a world title fight Joseph Parker versus
Kajanu at what was then the Vodaphone Events Center in
Manakau and Joseph won the fight, and then we were
ordered again that we had to fight Huey Fury, and
so we were back to square one. And on the
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second occasion I managed to hammer out a deal on
the telephone with Peter Fury, who was the father of
Hughie and the uncle is Tyson Fury. We hammered out
a deal to do the fight Manchester for a person guarantee.
So we all went up to Manchester and Joseph won
the fights against hue and retains his WO world title.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
As far as the appetite for Parker the USIK, I
know that you have it, and I know Joe has it.
I know a lot of fight fans have it. But
is that something that will generate the required income? Is
this something that people will fight for because they want
it or is there someone to one side, because let's
face it, Usik's beaten the best of the best who
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actually represents a better bang for buck for a possible
promotion or running of the fight.
Speaker 11 (40:49):
I think the most credible matchup in the heavyweight division
is Alexander Usik vs.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Joseph Parker.
Speaker 11 (40:55):
And I'm not just saying that because I'm the manager.
I say credible because Joseph really has earn't the shots,
like he's been on a roll. He's had three four
massive wins in a row, and he's beaten bogey men,
feared opponents like John Tay Wilder, like Zilai Zang, then
Martin Pecoli, who he knocked out all in just over
in the year. So even like Lennix Lewis Tony Bellew,
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prominent pundits are saying that Joseph absolutely the shot and
he's a household name in the UK. Similarly, Usik now
has massive credibility with British fans who love their boxing,
and it's not you know, he's beaten Anti Joshua twice British,
he's been Fury British twice and now he's gone and
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beaten dubois At has sold out Wembley, so it's all
timing now Usak Parker would now be worthy of a
stadium in the UK and it would be a global
television event that has real credibility. I don't think it's
as credible for Usik to go and fight guys he's
already beaten again like Fury or Joshua or say Chazora.
(42:02):
He's already beaten them. So the most credible matchup, that's
an best interest the sport is Usk versus Parker and
that's that's the merit based system. Hopefully it kicks in.
But that being said, Usak fighting as Tyson Fury again
might make a bit more money, Like you know, that
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might be a Wembley show. It might make a bit
more money. But it's the third time they fought, has
already won twice. It's sort of it will be a
shame if that's how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Indeed, David, thanks very much for joining us. Horse Trading
thought it is fight making who gets what, where and
how much bringings in New Zealand. Joseph Parker, you're no
longer a represent You don't represent us anymore because you're
(42:52):
on sabbatical. Always ours, thanks for listening. I'm glus auder Grave.
Thank you an's middleicon for producing good evening.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Evening. Welcome to sports Talk his News Talk zi BM
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I'm with you front clock seed and talking sport funny that.
Later in the piece, we'll talk with David Higgins, promoter
(00:54):
manager of Explosive Joseph Jurassic Parker. Is he on the
cusp of fighting for all of that straps in the
World War? Will Usik who dominated du Bois over the
week and defend all four against Joe Packer? Will he
(01:16):
relinquish one? Will he retire full stop? We'll look across
all of those possibilities and how they come to that
final fight made decision with David Higgins. Later on the
Peace First Art, we're going to be speaking with Amelia
ran Ekanasio today. She's like, I'm off going a sabbatical.
(01:37):
I'm done. Well, he wasn't that short, She'll expanded when
I talk to her shortly, But she's taking a sabbatical
and she's not going to another country to play more
netball for more money and calling it a sabbata. She's
actually going to have a break because her mind, in
the spirit of her soul, her body is broken. She
(01:58):
can't do it anymore. So she's gonna have a cup
of tea and to sit down. I don't know how
long for find out more of Emelian Achanasio is the
silver Ferns skipper up shortly, But before we go anywhere
near there, let's do what we've done for what seems
like decades now, even though it isn't. Let's indulge in
(02:19):
a bit of this today in sports Today, All Blacks
skipper Scott the scooter Barrett Reckons. He's making good ground
with his half recovery, which is handy. The All Blacks
are next in action versus Los Pumas on August seventeenth.
Plenty of time to recover.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Bro the cup Trekking pretty well, I've had two weeks
of your rehab And how do we trot around? If
m g last Saturday morning as a rehab run. So
it's all all going pretty well?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Are we trot? I love the way he says that
I'm moving away from rugby to more rugby freedom of expression.
That's the call from First Nations and Pacificer. Captain Kurty
beal ahead of tonight's match against the British and Irish Lions.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Have a real good basic structure where we can be
able to express ourselves and really take to the lines.
In terms of the cultural connection thing, I think we
had a really good few days to focus on that
and I think the boys have really responded really well today.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There's mean some pointed discussion around New Zealander Crickets seven
dollars fifty levy to walk Club cricket. Is the charge
might be enough though to discourage players to play the game.
Hawks Bay Cricket Association boss Craig Finley, I.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Hope it doesn't put a barrier for people joining and
playing for Cricket club. You'd hope that doesn't happen, but
cricket has been battling a little bit over the last
few years for playing numbers, and one more barrier might
stop players from registering.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And from the Yosa Hughes gets a job file. Here's
the resting Silver Ferns Captain Amelia and Ekanacio.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I have not done anything other than being one hundred
per cent committed to netball, so it is quite scary
to step away like I'm literally unemployed after this, just
going to reassess everything. We've got to get our duck
scenow with our life. See where everything sits, you know,
when the dust settles.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And that's sport today. Ten past the seven of a
chat now with Amelia ek Nicio around that decision. What
happens next, what happened before? Indeed all come from She
joins us. Now, Hello hello Amelia and.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Hello, yes hi, how are you going very well?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And you're going to have a cup of tea to
lie down, You're going to a beach, You're going to
do nothing. News out that you've decided you're not going
to play international netball this year. First up, tell us
how you came to that conclusion. How long has it
been in the pipeline for what was the drive?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah, that's a really good question. I think it's probably
been secretly in the pipeline with us for for a
little while. For pretty much this whole year as the family,
we've just been trying to work out you know what
is you know what's most important to us and me
as a person, you know what is actually the most thing,
the thing that I want to do the most reality
is is that being a mum and you know, and
(05:12):
being a leader and being a professional sportswoman has just
taken its toll on me.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
So I think it's just been a really important decision
just to step away. And I'm just I'm completely burnt out.
And so yeah, I think I break. It is absolutely necessary.
I'm really looking forward to it. It didn't make it
a super easy decision, but I know it's a right decision.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
How long has New Zealand Netball been involved in this?
When did you tell them that something has to break
and it wasn't going to be you.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, well I've had I had a couple of decisions, decisions,
oh my gosh, a couple conversations with Knowles and and
with other management around it as well. And yeah, I
think they've always known that. It's just always been a
really hard juggle having a family at the same time,
and especially when we start talking into that leadership space,
(06:05):
it's kind of just another weight that I I've always worn.
So yeah, I mean, but they've been really supportive in
understanding why I need to break, And yeah, so I
think that that's really good.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Timing wise, probably couldn't be better when it comes to representation.
It's not like you're missing a World Cup, Calm Games
and the like.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean that's right. I think would it be
a different story, I just don't know. I think my
body and my mind and every other part of me,
my spirit, my soul is kind of screaming at me
that this has to happen right now. So I just
I've pushed through this in the past and it just
it just completely breaks me. So I just can't do
(06:46):
that anymore. So yeah, I think the timing is right,
and we've got some incredible girls, you know, in the
squad who'll be able to carry it on.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm surprised you haven't come to this decision sooner, Amelia.
And when you talk about your body and your spirit
and your soul all being broken, is this too late?
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Well, I mean, I don't know. I guess. I guess
being you know, such a competitor and I always want
to be better. It's just something that I've always pushed through,
you know, because that's just the reality of sport is that,
you know, you get broken quite a lot. The higher
and highs and the lows are so low sometimes. So yeah,
the time is right now.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
As far as an actual break in rugby, circles, people
have sabbaticals. They just go away and make some more
money and go and carry on playing rugby. This is
an out and out break, isn't it. You're just severing it.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Well, I mean if there was somebody somewhere else that
I could play netbull, you know, who knows that could be,
that could be a real viable option. But but no,
I just need I just need a break now. And
it's just really time to you know, this is all
my kids have known, They've never really had me, So yeah,
it's just time for me to actually give back and
choose my family. For months, my husband supported me, you know,
(08:01):
for so long, put his career, you know, kind of
paused and molded it around any kind of way that
he's needed to continue to support me being in their space.
So it's actually time for me to put them first
for once. And I'm really looking forward to. I mean,
I'm sure I'm going to miss it, it's all I know,
so but I'm really looking forward to, you know, just
getting to be a mom and be a wife and
(08:22):
support my family for once.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Seventy nine test caps, I think off the top of
my head. So you've been there, done, that it's been
a lot. When did you start playing? When did you
first stick a dress on and go?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
I don't know, I like this well, I mean I
guess my debut for Friends was just over ten years ago,
so yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Long time before when you started playing. Sorry, when you
started playing right early on in the days as a Nipper.
You've been playing right the way through since what five,
six seven years old?
Speaker 6 (08:51):
No, Luckily I didn't start playing in toil I was twelve,
so but.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's still a long time on the grind. When are
you back? Is there a date where you're going to
return back to action again?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Well, yeah, good question.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I'm just kind of waiting to see what's happening with
our domestic season next year. You know, that's why I
haven't properly retired, because I do actually still want to play,
and I just love playing, you know. I think it's
just the reality of being a professional sports person is
that it comes with a lot more than just playing.
So yeah, I still am keeping my options open to
(09:26):
see what happens. The reality is that we're taking a
pay cut next year domestically, so just considering whether that's
going to be a viable employment option. Anymore. I'd obviously
love it to be. So we're just kind of waiting
and seeing, you know what kind of presents itself.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You mentioned the R word. Was it also a consideration
that you might just gas it completely?
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
It definitely was a consideration. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You're not saying much more on that. That would have
been a very difficult thing for you to do, right
Were you talked out of it or did you see
you better? How did that operate?
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I think well, I mean I think I just sat
with it for a while, and you know, when I
kind of split between my mind on what I wanted
to do, it kind of felt I mean, I guess
at one point it did feel like that's exactly what
I was going to do, But but I just don't
think I'm quite ready yet. So yeah, that's why it's
(10:19):
just making myself unavailable right now.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And of course other news has just come out as
the New Zealand Netball after far too much time, in
my humble opinion, have decided to come to the conclusion
and what are you going to call it? The Weekay
rule that players can play overseas and still represent the
silver Ferns, that the details are still being hammered out.
But that's got to lift you for the future with
money going down here, money to be made maybe over Australia,
(10:45):
and it exteems your career right, there's a great bit
of news for netballers.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, I think it is a really exciting step in
the right direction for all all of our netballers in
New Zealand, especially you know, lots of our silver firms
who who are at the top of their game and
who obviously don't have families and who are younger, you know,
because there's only so far you can go in the
same environments under the same coaches, and I think for
(11:10):
them going over againing a new experience, you know, and
a different team. The professionalism and how environments are set
up over there are a stark difference to how, you know,
anything we have access here to in New Zealand. So
I think, you know, for any of our girls that
go over there, I think it's a really exciting opportunity.
I'm actually a little bit jealous that it didn't come
in my time, but I think it's going to be
(11:32):
really great for them. They're going to whoever ends up
going over, they're just going to grow so so much
and bring all those learnings and all that experience back
to Silver Firm. So yeah, I think it's really cool
to see.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And suppose it's a matter of management, isn't it. Who
can go how long they can go forward? Do they
have to have x amount of cats behind them? And
so on and so forth. But they're devils in the detail.
But in general it's going to be brilliant for the game.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I think so too. Yeah, and you're right, I think
everybody's details will be different, you know. I think it's
an individual kind of base. But it's really great to
have a formalized process now that seems a little bit
fit and last.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But not least, AMELI around there canasio Sky TV have
made the plunge, they've bought TV three. This is interesting
around free to air rights for sport and the effect
that's going to have on television New Zealand. This is
big for the game too as a part as who's
going to pick it up and who's going to pay
for it. So it's been another little twist for you
(12:30):
as soon as you start your rest.
Speaker 8 (12:33):
Yeah, I know it is.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
There is lots happening in Nitbull and New Zealand at
the moment, and I mean I think for us as players,
it's scary because we just don't know if we've got jobs.
So but in saying that, there is changes coming and
they have needed to come for a while, so hopefully
they just work out and you know, in the best
way possible for the sport, because I mean, Netbull has
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been such a prolific women's sport in New Zealand and
it is a shame to see it go downhill because
the impact we have in our communities is honestly massive.
I mean when we go into schools and you know,
you get to connect with kids that way, and we
only have those opportunities because it is a paid you know,
it is a job. So yeah, I really hope everything
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works out in the best case. You know that it
can for everybody you need.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
For the DMO.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk call oh eight hundred,
News Talk ZIP.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Seven nineteen Sports Talk here on news Talk z BE.
It's a Tuesday age like twenty second, I'm Darcy. That
was Amelia and Acarnacio, former Silverpan's skippers, like former because
she's having a bit of a break and you understand
after listening to that, why she's having a bit of
a break, shot to bits right across the board, physically, mentally, spiritually,
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soulfully or the whole life can't do it anymore. I'm
the half. Rather that than leaving all together that she's
actually had break. Smart move, Barbara text. Then I should
have asked her, given how broken she was, maybe to
get ask Nepble New Zeland a year or two to
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have a break. And we got talked out of it.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I mean six months. It's a decent break, isn't it.
And she'll reevaluate not missing anything major as far as
common games, World Cups, be mum bee wife, as she said,
renewed vigor coming back and she'll probably come back next
to her and go and play over in Australia. See
there's a couple of netball stories around, try and mold
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them together, but that might be a little on the
nuts side. But you mentioned before how the players they
don't know what they're going to do, they don't know
where their next dollars coming from. Basically they might not
have jobs. She said, she don't employed. It's like whoa
So now Netball Newszlland finally this came out yesterday afternoon.
I think it was said, you know what, I yeah,
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you can. You can play somewhere else and you can
still represent New Zealand and the black dress. That's okay.
So finally, after Wicky did what she did and everyone
really wanted her back, the board ever involved in eat
More New Zealand have seen sense withered at quiesced to
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general opinion by saying, yep, our best players can now
play overseas and there are conditions attached, and we will
never know those exact conditions until several players apply and
one of them doesn't get it and the other one
does get it, and then we'll go right, what was
the difference? But that's storm time. So they're doing what
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everyone wanted the all Blacks to do to a degree,
aren't they. And the fear there was that we'd lean
up with all over all Blacks overseas and be none here.
So they're they're the same, but they're very different, if
that makes sense. Do you like the idea that now
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essentially our best players will be allowed to leave the
country and go on play overseas? Is this the end
of the A and Z Premiership? Was that maybe going
a little too far do you like this and your
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point of view as a netball fan? The future face
of netball? And another nice way of putting it to
a colleague of mind, put today, there might be a
case where our World Cup winning team in the Silver
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Ferns will all be playing offshore. Yet they still represent
New Zealand and they're still represent us in World Cups
and they're winning World Cups? Did you accept that? And
you can attach this to the All Blacks, because I'm
sure that they'll be keeping a very keen watching brief
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on what's going on here. Would you accept that? I
don't think you would with the All Blacks, but would
you accept this with the Silver Food should it happen?
The eligibility law is moving. It's moving towards the players.
We don't know the finer details, but we do know
that some players about it earn themselves a half decent
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crust which maybe they're not getting here, and better than that,
they'll be coming back with some huge experience a deal
like this. Do you like that they've eased eligibility off
like the whole team might be playing off shore? That
would that take anything for you from the Silver funds?
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From that dress you feel it's the future though, right
because Neckburn, New Zealand's got no money, so they've got
about to play somehow, Why do let the Aussies do it?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think this move
is overdue. But there will be asterisks or asterisks around
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this which we don't know yet. But it looks like
they're bowed to the wants of the players, a bit
of public pressure to to say, you know what, Grace
is so good. I think there's a few other players
we can let go as well, and they will come back.
Will they come back? They come in? Do you like
what they're doing? Eligibility? Will the All Blacks be keeping
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a serious watching brief on the behaviors of the players
now they know they don't have to play here in
New Zealand Eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty five past
at seven lines are open?
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Do you like this?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It's only been out twenty four hours. Have you've got
thought over and going? I don't know about that. It
could be the the thin end of the wedge anyway,
more from you? Surely? Oh? One hundred eighty ten eighty.
See it's twenty five after seven.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
Forget the riffs call. You make the call on eight
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News Talks BALSE.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
It's seventy eight Sports Talk on News Talk cb OH
one hundred eighty ten eighty three point number nationwide. You
context nineteen ninety two ZBZB that will attract a standard
text charge. What New Zealand Netball have done is it
the thin end of the wedge. How many players will
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end up playing over in Australia to make better money
and play arguably what is a highest standard of competition.
It's the potential will blow up in the face of
Netball New Zealand. A few questions around the release, but
I have a chat with Trevor initially, Hey Trevor, how
are you?
Speaker 11 (20:12):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
That's welcome back, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
You enjoyed your break.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I had a great break. But I need to earn
more money, rob a bank or sell a kidney, because honestly,
economy seats for twenty four hours twice destroyed my back.
I'm groveling. Can I get acc just for going on holiday?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Is that.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Maybe if you don't tell him that's heard happened?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
K blowing That one never mind. What do you what
do you make of this step? It was lately that afternoon,
this came through this eligibility thing. So does it comfortable
with you? And don't know you're a big fan, Trevor.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
Well, it was always going to happen. And I do
have a bit of a giggle when the CEO just
is it wasn't because of great I have a pronounce
the name right, Grace Nowiki, it wasn't because of her.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
It's spelled, Hey, Trevor, it's spelled it's spelled in milWiki.
But I've spoken to her and she said the even
so subtle, it's not impossible to do. So she has
call me Wecker and that is fine. So drop the
end and that's good.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Yeah, and that's good. And to say it wasn't because
the Graces choice to don't play with I just want
to say I'm Grace absolutely good honors. I mean, I
look at her and her mom and dad come to
New Zealand, obviously probably knowing not too much about New Zealand,
but just hoping to get alive better life. And now
there's daughter's a national treasure, and you know she's making
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good money and their parents probably can't believe what's happened
to them. And I just want to say absolutely good
on that family. And that's what you know you can
get coming to New Zealand. But you know what I
want to say is are we going to get players
now up in New Zealand that we don't know in
New Zealanders? You know the New Zealand Rugby League team.
I mean someone and I followed the inner real quickly closely,
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but you know some of the players mentioned in the
New Zealand Rugby League team.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I think, well, that was the base of my question.
If we end up with a team that almost competes
entirely off shore, will it still have the same weight
as a tea? You take the or Blecks for example.
If they follow this line and we don't know how
deep this isn't it any because it's not thick on
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detail the media release from Netball New Zealand. But if
they have a watching brief they got actually, you know what,
we're quite a few of our players go they world
champions and only five of them resided in New Zealand.
Would that bothery you? And this is the same with
with what happens abor happens in football, doesn't it.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Yeah, no it doesn't. I mean this is my whole point.
I mean, with no grades because Grace was in New
Zealand to we no h but I mean the New
Zealand football team New Zealand, they never lived in New Zealand.
They just have a distant relationship to New Zealand. I'm just.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Exciting when you watch, we still watch they represent New Zealand.
This is where you're sitting right. You don't think that's
a good idea, no for.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Me, Darcy. For people aren't really living in New Zealand
and based in New Zealand, and they've got a sort
of a representation back to the great grandmother in New Zealand. No,
it's not the same as knowing the people that have
been in New Zealand played in New Zealand and just
representing you know, just representing his Zealand.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean, so you've got fifteen in a team and
if say like two thirds live born played in New
Zealand that so can the other third world cut your
bit of slack?
Speaker 9 (23:37):
Well, I mean they can do that. I mean they
can do what they want to. Don't just not the same.
I mean, it's just not the same and as I say,
I suppose that's the way all sports are going. But
as I say, we've got rugby league bars and you
have lived in New Zealand. Then he come to New
Zealand to play, you know, an NRL game twice a
year and the New Zealand I just don't think it's
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got the same as the same as we see people
playing like Richard we called playing and living and being
a full time person in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But it does, it does have the cut through. And
I think what you've said, Treva, and we're going to
go another caller on thanks for your call that the
cut through.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
He here.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Says a lot about the state of international rugby league,
doesn't it really? Then where it stands in the wide
a picture of things. I'm sure we'll get more on
that from Trevor Ladder on the piece too, But let's
now go to Hayden. Good evening, Good evening, dar are Yeah,
and I'm very well relaxed, destroyed back, but I can still.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Talk good stuff, make good stuffy. If Trivia doesn't know
the rugby league team, I don't think he's watching a
lot of n r L.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
He of NRL, though, maybe it's just any cat. What's
the other players that turn up in that team and
you go who because they basically lived their entire lives
and ossie, we've got no idea who they am. Doesn't
detract from the ones from.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
The UK, but I mean most of them in the
end r L you know. But anyhow, Hey, so I
was ringing, there's a few there's a few points to this,
I think, right. The things that I like about it
is that well, one, we've got no real option, right,
it needs to happen.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
But firstly I like it.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
It's a bit of like MPC for example, to me
is some of the best footy you can watch, and
that's because you see the people getting an opportunity coming through,
coming through the grades. It's exciting, it's raw, all of
that sort of stuff that, to be honest, a far
a bit of format and super rugby I reckon. But secondly,
you know, to get to a Jersey these days, you
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know the all black stat in the day and all
the rest of it. We're all farmers and whatnot, and
you can look at all of that, but I guess,
you know, for for for women to or men to
make these national teams now you know, it is devotion,
it is a sport, and they're giving up career, other
alternative careers and so forth to get there, so they
need the money. You know, it's a finite period of time,
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and they give up so much that it just makes
sense that they're going to trace the dollars as well.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So it doesn't take anything from you that are player.
This is an argument, say with Nabel or Rugby, but
they basically are overseas and they spend most of their
time playing overseas. You still feel there's that New Zealand
connection and that doesn't bother you.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
You know, well, I think it might depend on perhaps
the parameters that maybe do you have a quota of
amount of players that can play from overseas, or maybe
that you had to have come through the likes of
like an NPC or something like that, or played a
certain amount of time there and then people do know you.
But I mean, at the end of the day, you
know they're going to go. They've they've they've put years
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of dedication and devotion to something. The opportunity cost of
you know, other careers that they could have pursued that
aren't necessarily finite or less finite you know. To me,
it's it's like otherwise you just don't see them all.
You won't see them at all because they won't even
bother coming back to play because there's nothing, you know,
I mean, you wait until if the Saudi Rugby competition
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kicks off, for example, I mean, why wouldn't you go
and make a million dollars a season and support and
you know, for a finite period of time until you're
thirty whatever and and you cashed up and sort it
and you can support your family and so forth.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Image everything, So having a team of players that represent
New Zealand but you never see them here. So it
sounds like the America's cant Hayden, Yeah, it cans, you
be it.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
But as I said, it depends on perhaps maybe some
of the parameters where they have to, you know, spend
x amount of time here or maybe it's a quota.
There needs to be some sort of equilibrium because the
reality is we we we can't. Yeah, you just can't sustain.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You can't. Important and Nebo new Zeand have moved into
their space by saying, hey, there is a process. Now
you're read through the media update it says quite a
lot doesn't kind of say anything. They talk about a
balance between flexibility and fairness and increasingly global nature of netball.
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That says the athletes are supported through clear and transparent
decision making. And it goes on to say, ultimately, the
purpose of this proposed process to ensure that all exemption
requests are about it fairly, consistently and transparent. It doesn't
tell me around what. It's very light on detail. Expect
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that's deliberate. They keep saying transparent approach. Why don't you
tell us we'll make a decision on this player based
on because it sounds a bit vague to me. I
don't know if that's entirely healthy. They've got to have
played more than twenty five test New Zealand. They must
have played three out of the last two years in
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New Zealand. They something something solid, something I can sink
my teeth into. Twenty two minutes away from a sportstock
on News Talks, AB David Higgins joined us later on
tonight as well to talk about Joe Parker and where
he stands it now in the wonderful wide world of
heavyweight boxing. This is News Talks.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
If you're feeling down to swallow and.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Make you happy. Sports talk here and that news talks abs.
We don't split in the text line between what actually
may happen with you see a nipple altering their eligibility
lawlot we know a great deal about it, except it's
going to be transparency. But I can see through stuff
and it's on the other side, and I don't want
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the rulings. There's no parameters. They don't want to see parameters.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What's slightly clear? Remember Emilian Acinaccio, was it earlier this year,
late last year saying you know, you know you're okay
to play the seas and still wear the black dress
if it's over one hundred tests that it was written
nowhere the fallacy someone made it up never and jumped
on it. So a little more substance will be good
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to know, as opposed to I will say yeah or
no based on whatever we think. That's a substance. That's
all we're after. Anyway, enough of that, let's get back
to the phone to Neil.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Hi, how are you going?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I'm going for there?
Speaker 7 (30:34):
You got.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Thank you very much for your time, TONI Also, what
do you make of the snippering situation?
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Well, I am, you know, great perfully and and so
I know a little bit a doubt, a little bit
of sim I sleep on this, and I think they're
being very vague as you say, when it comes to
the or what they're letting us will know about the eligibility.
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And then I think that part of it is to
keep us off their back sports brothers, And we don't
necessarily know that Grace will actually get to call up
you know what I mean, she will actually be eligible
at the moment, I think, so there's nothing in there
that actually says she is allowed to play. It just
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means that they will make that decision come time. For
so she also hasn't been given the clear like doing
yet you get when you can. That's when she doesn't
have that OTIV because I mean, at the moment, it's
all about being fear. Right, let's be fear and if
you do that, like you said, it will open up
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the blood game. They've got a lot of work through
when it comes to as well, let you know, opening
up slow gates when it comes to that, how do
they manage it and how are they going to becf
court for great figure. Surely she's definitely got to make it, right,
but you've got to stop everyone time taking off? How
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do you do that?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's I wanted some parameters And the line is the
rece it will allow athletes playing a broad opportunity to
be considered for silver Fern selection through a formal exemption
and process. But it doesn't say what that is. It
doesn't say twenty five tests or this amount of time
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playing in New Zealand, or wouldn't we like more clarity
in that, even though they're talking about being a transparent.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
I mean, well they did that for the last Commonwealth, right,
they allowed laural England and they allowed players back and
based on they had done had done one hundred games
or whatever and all that sort of stuff. But it
was for that, but that was just a by case.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, it was never written one hundred tests, was never
written part of something yet.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
So yeah, so I think that's what they're that's what
they're doing. That's one of those they don't actually know themselves.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
To Neil, it's brutal. Hey, look you've got to stop
you there. The line's quite hard to hear and bad enough.
And a guy's been on radio thick end of thirty years.
You go deaf by default, but thanks very much for
your call to Neil. Coming up next, David Higgins joins
us What now for Joe Parker? Twelve minutes away from
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eight over the weekend, former Welt's white now heavyweight holds
four championship belts. That's usick and he beat up on Dubois?
What now for Joe Parker? We joined by his manager,
David Parker. Good evening, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mister Higgins.
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I don't know where Parker came from when you talk
to me now, good.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
Evening, Good day, Darcy. Please to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, great to have you on. It's great news. I
suppose when you look at Dusk and what he did
to Daniel Dubois, next step Joe Parker. That's what we'd
like to think. But what has to be overcome? What
has to be negotiated to get these two guys in
the ring for those belts?
Speaker 11 (34:42):
What happens now, David, Well, Darcy, It's really quite simple.
Usik has proven yet again he's the best in the world,
and he's become undisputed heavyweight world champion, meaning he holds
off all four championship heavyweight belts, the first since Lenix
lewis for any decent run and so now it's up
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to Alexander Usik who he fights next. The w sanctioning
body has ordered effectively ordered him to fight Parker next,
and Parker is next in line. So if Fusik chooses
to fight.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Parker, it's all on.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Joseph will get a crack an undisputed title, which is
or four belts. I don't think that's been done by
New Zealand the last time. Joe thought it was for
one or one or two of the versions of the title.
But if Usik chooses not to fight Joseph, then you
would think either he'll be stripped of the WBO belt
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or he'll vacate it. And in that case, Joseph probably
is still fighting four world title, but against someone else.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It won't be handed to him on a plate, but
there'll be another scrap, so what he'll find the number
two in the division. That generally how it.
Speaker 11 (35:52):
Works, David, Well, sometimes they do hand it to you
on a plate, and it's not the most glorious way
to win the title is just to be given it
without having a fight, But it has happened. If they
deemed that your interim or that you've been waiting long
enough for whatever. But sometimes they'll just to clear a
vacant title and you would fight for the title. When
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Joseph won his Royal title against Andrew Ruiz Junior in Auckland,
New Zealand at twenty sixteen December, that was for a
vacant title, so there was no champion. So in this case,
all options are on the table. Iv Usik will want
to maintain the undisputed position and give Joseph the shot shot.
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In a merit based system, that's what should happen. But
if not, then he'll either be given the title, but
probably more likely he'll have to fight for the vacant title.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Timeline what are we waiting for? Plainly Usak has to
make that decision. But over how long? Once weeks? Years? Yeah,
good question.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
So we're in a two fight promotional arrangement with Queensburry
Box and Frank Warren. So Frank Warren's Queensburry Organization will
be negotiating with discussing it with the WBO and lobbying
to work out time frame. Normally, the sanctioning body would
give a period of time like say a month to
the camps to make a deal. They'd say, okay, guys,
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you two need to fight each other. You've got four
weeks to make a deal now. And normally, if they
don't make a deal, or if it looks like negotiations
are going nowhere, the sanctual body will often declare what's
called a purse s birred. It's effectively an option where
anyone that's sort of licensed and capable of promoting the
belt can put a tender in like an envelope with
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a check in it, basically saying this is how much
we would pay to own the rights to the fight.
They open all the envelopes, and the winning bidder owns
all worldwide rights to the fights. And then the money
they've bid gets splits between champion and challenger at normally
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like a seventy five twenty five split. So in practice
went persepered. Say someone say Frank Warren bids ten million pounds,
you might see Usik gets seven point five and Parker
get two point five or variations of that. That's how
a persepered works. And then whoever wins then owns all
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the revenue, the television, the gates, the stadium, the tickets,
the lot and they obviously hoping that the revenue is
from what they've bid. So it's you know, not for
the faint hearts of these persepers.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Is that common? Does it happen much?
Speaker 10 (38:34):
David?
Speaker 11 (38:35):
So, when when Joseph Parker beat Andy Ruez, the WBO
ordered that Joseph and Huey Fury fight each other, the nephew,
the cousin of Tyson Fury, and our company Douco and
Queensbury who had hue Fury couldn't make a deal and
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a perspid was ordered. So we actually participated in persepered
and we I sent one of my young staff to
Puerto Rico with an envelope with a check in it
for the depots and we made a bid. And it's
very much guests work estimating against a budget and psychology.
You have to figure out what the other party's going
to bid and try a bit a bit more, but
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not so much a bankrupt yourself. Anyway, long story short,
we won the persepered, so Douko won the pursepered and
Huey Fury was ordered to fight Joseph in New Zealand.
We booked spark Arena, put it all on sale, and
then about three weeks out he claimed to have a
back injury and it all fell over.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Were you out of pocket? After that, David or Well.
Speaker 11 (39:38):
We scrambled and got Rev. Jan Kajanu as a replacement
opponent and ran a world title fight Joseph Parker versus
Kajanu at what was then the Vodaphone Events Center in
Manakau and Joseph won the fight, and then we were
ordered again that we had to fight Huey Fury, and
so we were back to square one. And on the
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second occasion I managed to hammer out a deal on
the telephone with Peter Fury, who was the father of
Hughie and the uncle is Tyson Fury. We hammered out
a deal to do the fight Manchester for a person guarantee.
So we all went up to Manchester and Joseph won
the fights against hue and retains his WO world title.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
As far as the appetite for Parker the USIK, I
know that you have it, and I know Joe has it.
I know a lot of fight fans have it. But
is that something that will generate the required income? Is
this something that people will fight for because they want
it or is there someone to one side, because let's
face it, Usik's beaten the best of the best who
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actually represents a better bang for buck for a possible
promotion or running of the fight.
Speaker 11 (40:49):
I think the most credible matchup in the heavyweight division
is Alexander Usik vs.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Joseph Parker.
Speaker 11 (40:55):
And I'm not just saying that because I'm the manager.
I say credible because Joseph really has earn't the shots,
like he's been on a roll. He's had three four
massive wins in a row, and he's beaten bogey men,
feared opponents like John Tay Wilder, like Zilai Zang, then
Martin Pecoli, who he knocked out all in just over
in the year. So even like Lennix Lewis Tony Bellew,
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prominent pundits are saying that Joseph absolutely the shot and
he's a household name in the UK. Similarly, Usik now
has massive credibility with British fans who love their boxing,
and it's not you know, he's beaten Anti Joshua twice British,
he's been Fury British twice and now he's gone and
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beaten dubois At has sold out Wembley, so it's all
timing now Usak Parker would now be worthy of a
stadium in the UK and it would be a global
television event that has real credibility. I don't think it's
as credible for Usik to go and fight guys he's
already beaten again like Fury or Joshua or say Chazora.
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He's already beaten them. So the most credible matchup, that's
an best interest the sport is Usk versus Parker and
that's that's the merit based system. Hopefully it kicks in.
But that being said, Usak fighting as Tyson Fury again
might make a bit more money, Like you know, that
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might be a Wembley show. It might make a bit
more money. But it's the third time they fought, has
already won twice. It's sort of it will be a
shame if that's how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Indeed, David, thanks very much for joining us. Horse Trading
thought it is fight making who gets what, where and
how much bringings in New Zealand. Joseph Parker, you're no
longer a represent You don't represent us anymore because you're
(42:52):
on sabbatical. Always ours, thanks for listening. I'm glus auder Grave.
Thank you an's middleicon for producing good evening.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
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