August 12, 2025 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Sailing analyst Chris Steele on the new changes to the America's Cup ahead of the 2027 event in Naples.
Silver Ferns defender Kelly Jackson on her move to join the Queensland Firebirds following Netball NZ's new ruling.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yell, good evening, Welcome on in the sportsga's news Storks, ZMBM,
Dicey Water go here. It isn't seven and a half
to seven. On Tuesday, twelfth of August twenty twenty five,
Big day in sport, Big day in sailing. America's Cup
rolled the protocol out all of the changes. There are
plenty of them, bringing the America's Cup up to speed
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up to the modern age. Turning around, going sol gp here,
catch that hold my drink. It's very interesting and we'll
be joined by sarting commentator Sailor Cristile shortly to look
through to pack through the details of this protocol. It's
only been out for a few hours. I'm sure the
devil's all in the detail, plenty to look at. And
(01:22):
I'm wondering if this will encourage you to gaze at,
participate in it, or be more enthused in the America's Cup.
Of course, Team Zealander defending that cup looking to pick
up four times on the bounce. Will this be helpful?
Will it help the sport or will it help the regatta?
Expand will it regain a place in the consciousness of
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not only the people of New Zealand, but in global sailing. Gourz.
Let's face it probably more important on a global scale
than us. We're too small, but it's out, it's there
to look at. Crystille is going to comment on that shortly.
Then we'll take your calls on at eight hundred eighty
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(02:08):
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get hold of y'all. And Kelly Jackson joins us toward
the end of the program. Knee Jerry, She's off along
with it looks like old raft of players to go
and ply their trade and netball and the Super Series
over in Ozzie leaving the A and Z Premiership. Now
(02:30):
the eligibility laws have been tweeked. Kelly Jackson to join
us toward the end of the program. Before we do
any of that, let's do this same sport today and
in sports today, all Black coach Scott Robertson thinks Cortezma
will be fine in Argentina. Fine, he kind of has
(02:51):
to be right. He's like third off the truck.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We got him a good crack last year to be
ready for moments like this. You know, he's learning like
everyone does. But it gets to ball off the deck
and into a tense hand, and you know, we want
to play fast and he'll just get better with experience
and maturity.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Pass the ball to the first five eighths. That is
key for anyone playing in the half bet role team
and said Boss Grant Dalton has compromised. Yes, he's compromised.
Part of the freshly released protocol for the next America's Cup,
nationality is the sticking point. With the scraping of the
one hundred percent nationality rule that's been in place for
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the last couple of editions, two non nationals are now
allowed on board. So it's Peter Burley right, jump the ship,
swam to another boat. AnyWho is what Granton has to
say about that, Yeah, it was for sure. I've kept
up so we probably not even that convinced or totally convinced,
but you know you've got to make compromises.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
We're going to make compromises, and.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
That was one of them.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, were you go compromised? Well done. Departing silver Fern
coach Jackson thinks the absence of key players in the
Ains Premiership isn't actually a bad thing.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
I have no doubt that the league is going to
keep silting from you to year and I just see
with a few of us sitting over to Australia, it
just goods opportunity to younger ones coming through for more
court time and the static simm position.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And all whites. The skipper Chris Ward has got his
eyes on the green and the goal looking over the
dipty is all about taking on the socker rooms.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
We don't get to play Australia often, and especially lean
into a World Cup year. It's exciting to challenge for
us and we want to beat them. We haven't been
able to beat them for a while, so we want
to actually do that. That's how challenge comes September. I
want to be a part of that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Don't know how much Australian Football regret naming their team
soccer ruse. Now the entire world knows the sport is football,
with the exception the Americans. Of course, the football arouse
doesn't have the same ring about it, does it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So be it, and that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Eleven minutes after seven's News Talks, theb on Sports Talk
on Darcy Water gave to the boats we Go. It's
all about sailing and the America's Cup Protocol is out
with joined by sailor and sailing commentator mister Chris Steele.
Good Chris. Big news today around the America's Cup. The protocol,
(05:18):
so many changes, so many tweaks, so many adjustments. Big
for the sport, massive for the America's Cup. Just how
much does this loom over the competition, over the regatta?
Speaker 8 (05:29):
Yeah, I mean, obviously today's a big day, and I
guess the forecast of what the event's going to look like,
who's going to be involved and all that sort of thing.
So yeah, turning plenty of heads today in the sailing world,
and yeah, I guess everyone can kind of get to
planning what their program is going to look like for
the next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
The big decisions, the big changes, they're everywhere, aren't they.
I suppose what to you stands up as being the
main change in the protocol, And I mean one, two, three, four,
how many of them?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
I mean there's a lot to dissect, and the interesting
thing will just be trying to figure out how how
many teams this is going to impact and who's going
to actually turn up to the start line. I mean,
there'll be teams that benefit from the change, and there'll
be other teams that don't. So that'll be the interesting
thing for me is how many teams we're also going
to see on the start line.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
You know when they get to Italy.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, they've got a cap put on it. You've got
to use the old holes. They've got added a female competitor.
They've opened up another spot for a royal or an
influencer to come on. They've got rid of the cyclause
it's all battery power, and they're looking at we're putting
together this group that looks after the America's Cup both
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on the water and off the water. That's pretty big
that that control has been given to an independent, if
you will.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Yeah, I guess what they're trying to do is trying
to share the workload so that they can I guess
folks just on solely on the.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Development of the boat and their own program.
Speaker 8 (06:58):
I mean, in the past, the responsibility has kind of
fallen in the lap of the defender, so to speak,
and actually trying to make sure that the racings kind
of you know, run and conducted in a certain way
almost becomes a bit of a burden, you know, so
they try and outsource that. But I guess, you know,
having having an independent I guess organization just in charge
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of that, I think will allow the teams to focus
solely on their own on their own programs and yeah,
just just focus on the racing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
More transparency, do you think of it's out of the
hands of an individual team.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Yeah, I mean, like, like you said, there's there's a
lot of different changes that to dissect, And I mean
where do you start. Like you've got the influencer type role,
which I guess is just trying to promote the sports
sort of thing. And then you've got obviously a female
person on the boat. Where do you move you know,
the dynamics and the team to to best you know,
accommodate that. Like, you know, my guess is you probably
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a high chance you'll have a female driving on one
side of the boat. So you know, that would change
a lot of the current makeups of the teams at
the moment that have two kind of set and sown
sort of skippers. So I mean some of the partnerships
there that the teams have solely built their sailing team
around over the last couple of campaigns might get a
shake up in that regard as well. And obviously can
(08:16):
you start going to the equipment side of things, Yeah,
I mean this is this is kind of where the
teams need the information that they've been waiting for so
that they can really launch sort of right into the
swing of things. So it's a pretty pivotal day and
the Cup cycle for this next edition.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'm fascinated by the cost cap roughly one hundred and
forty seven million New Zealand dollars are the same hull
for the last edition. Teams can acquire an existing hole
a bit a new one, but it has to be
the same. Very important. How important, because this is a
billionaire's playground, is the fact that now they've got a
limit on that going to grow the Cup?
Speaker 9 (08:54):
Do you believe, Chris, That's a good question because I
think the cost cap sort of probably suits the lower
budget teams the most, and you'd have to probably sum
with the current big hit that are in there at
the moment that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
The Kiwis are one of the lower budget teams.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
So effectively, you're kind of going to end up in
a similar sort of position as I guess the Formula
One model, where you know, all of a sudden, now
because you've got a cost cap in place, it might
invite you know, some some lower budget teams to come in,
whether that's as a new team or the existing teams.
But what it means is you're just going to have
to be very selective with how you spend your money.
And I think if you look at the last edition
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in America's Cup, one of the very intriguing kind of
things was you had the presence of any US involved,
you know, the Mercedes kind of Formula One team there,
and then also with Red Bull with Lingi there was
there was another presence sort of there. So all of
those involvements were to keep the cost down for the
Formula One teams. You know, it was as much to
benefit the Formula One teams as it was the America's
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Cup team. So you know, there's I guess if you
look at that kind of forecasted model, now, how these
America's Cup teams going to try and develop softwares and
technology and other sports, so that it does spend into
that cost cap that they've got for the Cup.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Two non nationals allowed to sail, allowed to be on board,
and it's not got anything to do with who they
represented last time around, So that's been tweaked too. So
you look at that and think, well, Peter Berling is
free to climb on the boat. Is it important to
have non nationals? There's only five crew members plus an extra.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Now, I mean it's a very tricky.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
There's a lot of different pros and cons when you
look at that particular of the American's Cup. I mean,
in the last couple of years it's gone back down
the sort of direction of being all about the sort
of nations, which we've kind of seen to quite a
heavy extent, but sort of if you go back to
sort of the two thousand America's Cup or two thousand
and seven, the last sort of edition of the version
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five monohlls, there really wasn't any nationality.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Rule whatsoever, so to speak.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
So it was little bit more of a commercial kind
of event, so to speak, and you had quite a
large participation rate at that sort of stage, so I think, yeah,
I mean, like you said, you mentioned Pete being eligible
to sail on one of the boats, now, that is
huge news. I haven't read the wording of that part
of it, so to speak yet, but he would obviously
(11:19):
be an extremely strong addition to any team whether he
was on the boat or not.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But if he's able to be on the boat now
as well, then.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
Yeah, that's definitely going to be a pretty pretty big
talking point and it'll make that Lunarrosit team extremely strong.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Chris Steele joining us and Chris the Devil's in the detail.
You haven't read that yet, No, I don't know how
many fish hooks are in that particular clause through there
the fact that there's one woman on board, how big?
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Yeah, I mean, that's I think if you look at
the trend of where the sport's sort of been going
in the last couple of years across multiple sort of
of the higher end sailing circuits, particularly America's Cup and
sal GP, there's been a big push to involve more
females on the boat. Clearly that's what they've they've sort
of looked at with the current rules for this next
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Americans Cup as well. Again, if you look at the
changes that they're made, having batteries on the boat and
non cyclists and all those sorts of things. My gut
feeling is that will make the boats less physical in
terms of the output that you need to control a
lot of the functions on the boat. And so that's
a positive thing for the females. You know, if you've
got batteries, if you've got batteries for you know, powering
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those functions, then you know, you could have females driving
the boat, or you could have females you know, pushing
buttons and controlling sales and or technically making decisions around
the racetrack.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You know, you name it.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
There's they can kind of be involved in an area,
whereas in the past, when there was so much physical
output needed to perform those functions on the boat, it
made the spots very limited for people outside of you know,
the workhorses on the boat.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So to speak.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
So I'd say those two kind of go hand in hand.
And again it will just add a completely different element
to the makeup of the teams, like where are your
best going to be, you know, trying to use the
rules to your advantage in that regard, Like it says
there's only one female in the boat, but you know,
there's nothing saying you couldn't have more so to speak,
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So it'll be interesting to see the direction that people
go down with that as well.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And Chris confirmation it will be held every two years. Wow,
this is quite a big reaction to what sale GP
have been up to. Is it not? Not right across
the board, but in general, they're whipping it up. They're
making it regularly. You know, when it's coming, they're really
opening the doors one hundred and seventy four years of history.
(13:43):
They're making some big calls here. But every two years
is that sustainable?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
I think if you look at the fact that they're
trying to cut the costs down, it will make it
sustainable in that regard. You know, if you're putting a
budget cap on it of would just say one hundred
and fifty million or whatever, you know that is honestly
it's probably maybe half of what some of those top
end teams were spending over a four year cycle, so
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or not quite but close enough too. So Yeah, if
you if you're cutting the budget significantly, then every tw
years might be possible. Again, that's something that's going to
appeal more to you know, commercial contacts that are coming
into the game, like bigger sponsors are going to want
to be involved if it's a regular thing.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I think you've seen that already with the model and SALDP.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
You know the way that sport in general is going
now I'm not just with sailing, but again, you know,
the easiest comparison is looking at Formula one is like
regular races, you know, every you know, once a month
or once every couple of weeks sort of thing, and
that keeps people engaged because not just not just in sport,
but if you look at all social media and all
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those sorts of things, everything is getting shorter. You know,
the attention span of people is getting shorter and shorter,
so videos all that type of thing, the clips are
coming down and becoming more frequent. So I think, you know,
I think that's the model that's sort of happening in
sport nowadays as well. And that's the thing that probably
makes the most sense that they've they've looked at, and
that's one of the reasons why they're changing direction in
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that regard.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And on that Chris Steele, we think if your time,
your expertise, look forward to catching up again soon. Big
day for saving Big day for America's Cup.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You go, well, yeah, cheers Darcy. Thanks mate, forget.
Speaker 10 (15:26):
The riff's call, you make the call. Sports Talk on
your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This is News Talks eb on Sports Madam's Darcy water Grave.
There was long time Sailors starting commentator Chris Steele talking
about the protocol changes for the upcoming America's Cup. There
are so many it's difficult to isolate one particular tweak.
I'd like to focus on how much of this is
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a is reaction to the attack of sale GP. You
can't help but think that say GP set a fire
underneath the America's Cup when it came to reimagining what
competitive sailing is at a highest level, very different Sports
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America's Cup compared to what happens in sale GP. Different
but the same. And what they've managed to do in
a couple of years is is engaged a lot of people.
It has a continuity, it has regularity, It's attracted a
number of nations. They all want to play. It's getting
bigger and bigger. So I'm presuming I don't know on
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not living in Grant Dalton's head, nor I should be
rent free or i'd probably have to pay a wee bit.
I can't help but think this says to be Look,
we're gonna we're gonna have to react to this because
it's seen as being cumbersome. An organization in the America's
Cup takes a long time to sort out. It's seen
as cumbers and it's seen as overwhelm the expense of
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it's scene as drain. So these changes, they're huge and
really important. My question to you, and I'll run through
some of these questions for you later, and the piece
my question for you is this enough to get you
back into the America's Cup? Have you all gone by
and gone yeah, nah, whatefft, whatever reasons they may be,
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is this reignited your interest in the America's Cup? And
if there's someone I'll be talking to you tonight about this.
As my mate Peter Lester got that news and found
it quite difficult to swallow, and he spoke to him
what six weeks ago, supposed to meet for coffee when
I came back from England. Super nice bloke, kind, generous
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with his time as knowledge, and he would have been
the go to straight away all je respect. Chris, still,
thanks very much for coming on the show, but just
seemed weird talk about the protocol of the America's Cup
without Peter Leicester. So friends and family feel your pain.
Too young, too young, condolences to all almost your Peter Lester,
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you really really will it? His News Talks, there be
contributions on the America's Cup. Is it going to get
you back into it again? These wholesale changes in the protocol?
Will this spark your interest again in the America's Cup? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty three phone number nationwise?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Have your sale always eighty sports Talk on your home
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Speaker 6 (19:06):
Do you guy still see you.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Sign this?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No Jelly Jackson that joins us later on in Sports Talk.
Silver Firn, legging it to Australia's threatened to do it before,
but chose to stay because she wanted to be a
silver firm, wanted to wear the black dress and the things.
The requirements have been tweaked just and somewhat so off
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she goes, and there is rumor around that are a
number of other netballers that are going to follow in
her steps. Of course, she followed the steps of Grace Waker.
So we'll talk to her about that, how it came about,
who tried to talk her out of it, and so
on and so forth if anyone did later on the
peace talking about of netballs. Get back to America's Cup? Now,
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is this done enough to restimulate your interest in America's Cup?
This guy's texting honestly, who cares so plainly? It hasn't
at all rustled as fair as either way, a lot
of people do big changes. Of all the sailors on board,
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one of the sailors must be a woman. One at
least could be more. And talking with Chris Steele before,
he talked about the fact that the cyclaws and the
grinders are all gone. It's all battery powed now, so
they don't need that extra grunt, if you will, so
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required extra strength isn't dead. And on general, we know
that men are generally bigger and stronger than women. So
the fact that the mental skill power of women is
now going to be fully engaged, not fully, but there
will be at least one on the boat is massive,
so brings them up to the mark with modern thinking.
And when you ignore women completely in sport basically can't
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hid if your eyeballs out, don't you know this is
half a population. This is good grind Dalton doesn't like
the eligibility situation. Two sailors don't have to be from
their country origin. It doesn't matter if they when they
last competed, because Peter Berling wasn't going about a sail
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Now we can to step down or spend a couple
of years in the wilderness. If you join another team
that you're not a native of there's pretty hard. Pete
Berling's going to tell you a lot ip with them,
whether he's going to get on the boat or not. Well,
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I think all of the armory that he took with them,
it's going to be huge. Two non natives. So a
lot of people that really liked the idea was about
a group of in our case, News Island is taking
on the world. But I think that there that ship
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is sail if you will, so it can be a
team and a name alone with just over half the
crew on board that are involved in the country. That's fine.
I don't have too much of an issue with that
because it's so you don't feel an attachment with the
new Zealand team. When you never see the boat, you
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never see the team, and most of the major sponsors
have got anything to do with New Zealand, so it's
not really New Zealand's it's just something we like to watch.
The other change is the budget, and they've dropped that remarkably.
I think this is possibly one of the most important
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changes in the protocol of the America's Cup. The biggest
problem previously is I said to Chris, is a millionaire's playground.
That's what it was. A billionaires playground. Millionaires small change,
billionaires playground. So if the sport becomes more accessible, you
still have to be a millionaire playing, not a billionaire.
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That means it's going to be more competition and more
depth of it, more competition for people who want to
hold the event, more interest so from the regatta as
a whole. I think it's probably one of the most
important changes that they've made. Limit the use of technology,
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limit how much you have to spend to build a
new boat. More people will come because at the moment
there's just a couple of syndicates in the world can
play this game. To me, this is huge and I
probably don't people don't like me comparing or saying, look
it's because of sale GP, but in essence it is
sale GP turned up and shook that mega regata up.
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This is how we do it. This is the modern era.
This is what we're going to do. And they changed
attitudes and opinions in that high stakes, high finance sailing
so that the America's Cup of ten minut and go,
you know, we can do this too. We've got to
do it slightly different. It's a slightly different regatta, but
you know why not. We've got to keep up with
the Jones. We've got to keep up with the times.
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This is positive twenty seven minutes away from me. I
don't need to be further enthused by it. I love
the racing, I love the technology. I'm seeing a lot
of good out of this protocol. There might be some
stuff you don't like. Let me know, Richard, how are you?
Speaker 11 (24:44):
Yeah? Good? Why we watched the America's Cup. I just
realized over the weekend through catching the yachting program on
sky Sport European. We watch it because there's nothing else,
and I I caught up with pt F two. Here
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is Mono, how just a big open skiff and I
watched the racing and I thought, this is going to
capture people. It looks achievable on a corporate side, you know,
financial it's going to be doable. And and once these
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sort of programs come out, they're going to be invited
down Australia. They got the money would be one or
two And it's a bit of a case of throwing
a coin in the air. Do you watch the Warriors
or the All Blacks and it's going to be the
same thing. I think the America's Cups are simply done
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its day. I was a big fan, but it's just
just doesn't grab me anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
What does it not grab you anymore? You're a big fan? What?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
What cut you adrift?
Speaker 11 (26:01):
I reckon, it's just too fast. It's I just the
this PT fifty quick boats, their their planning, they're not
foiling for a start.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sorry, but I don't know about how big are these.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Fifty two foot Okay, you know PT fifty two big
European series on Sailing World on sky Sport. And I thought,
this is what we need to see. Wellington, Harbor, Auckland, Littleton, Picton.
It's it's doable and you can only watch one thing
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at a time, and if it's interesting, you'll watch it.
I just think the America's Cup is sort of dan
It's day. Can't can't got my finger on it any
other way. But it's the way I feel.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Too many things to too many people. Now, there a
lot of people out of the traditions that love that
idea of sailing not foiling. They want to see that that.
I want to see short, sharp, quick races up and down.
They want to see something more dramatic.
Speaker 11 (27:12):
Yeah, a little bit of the lack of the gods
into the windships and all that, and you know all that.
What you know, I saw Peter Lester's sort of accolades
on TV with his sailing. I didn't he didn't realize
he had sailed as much as he had. I knew
he had done, but he was you know, some of
that escaped me. You know, i'd watched that again. That's
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still interesting. But anyway, I just think another financial type
of interest. And you know, obviously advertising, he got big sales,
you can put names on them, and I just see
something coming along. May it may be what I saw,
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it may be something similar, but it was enough for
me to think Okay, I want to try and watch this.
Sky Sports only has about a fifteen minute segment on
the sale program, so and they cover a lot of sports,
you know, windsurfing and everything. But yep, let's see what
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comes along. You know, you throw a whole pile of
cards in the area and see what comes down.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, it's been a few, isn't it. They've they've definitely tried.
But the fact that they're going, look, we've got to
reimagine what we're doing here, even though essentially it's been
re imagined for quite a while, if it since Big
Boat Challenge, Cadamrain the like as well. But I think
it's their.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Yeah, but they've locked it up, you know, they've they've
been moved themselves to this protectionism and and you know,
you know, the thinking public, Okay, it's you know, I'm
not going to play your game anymore. So you know,
I'm not all the oss. But what I'd be right
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behind anyone wanting to set up a series of that
in New Zealand and it would travel, it would travel
quite happily, those those vessels, and it wouldn't be anywhere
near the expenditure it you're looking at now. It would
be you know, you want to see thirty yachts in
a regatta.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
There's kind of a romance about that, isn't that, Richard,
seeing a whole lot of yachts and spinningers out beautiful
colors tearing away on the briny deep, not just shooting
about an in the harbor.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
Yeah, well, you you know, you identity to get up close.
You know, I was in Auckland two thousand and two,
I think it was for the America's Cup, and I
enjoyed it. It was obviously, you know, in the conventional
whole series, and you know, i'd go back up to
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watch it again, but I just don't think I'm going
to I haven't. I haven't tried to go to Auckland
for the Foiling one. It's just, you know, I just
watched it on TV, because you need to be on
TV to actually get an idea that you.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean, Richard, like when you're right there though you
watch these things, you're quite blown away by the speed
of the technology, and you only get that when you're there.
But Richard thinks, so much for your call, thanks for
dialing in a eight hundred and eighty ten eighty too
much in one direction too much like sale GP. I
think that Richard made a good point. They've gone maybe
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too far and they've painted themselves into a corner with
this possibly, I don't know. They're showing innovation. They're looking
at a way to encourage more countries to be involved.
And that's what we want right much bigger regatta. I
want three teams competing for it. Where's the fun on that?
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I agree with that caller technology has not been great
for the America's Cup. Bring back the spinnakers and actual sailing.
And someone else said they might as well just be
very non simulates our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Is this redoing it? Are you going to rediscovering process
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of the America's Cup? Navy? Realize it's going to be regular,
it's going to be cheaper to run, there's going to
be more teams. What's the saying that could get you
in all sorts of trouble? Something about little barm in
a soide. Oh you know what I'm talking about. It's
twenty minutes to eight. This is his news talks edbe's
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for a look on news Talks ed B. Kelly Jackson
joins us shortly carrying on with the calls though in
the America's Cup. Good even to you Craig didn't have
the game. Yeah, good, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I must have been listening a living under a rock
for a little while. I didn't acually passed here. The
commentary passed away, which is really sad. I've met him
a few times for in the soundcome I used to
work for, and he's just a real down to earth guy,
and so it's really sad but extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So I read the news this Saturday morning at work
Monday and wake up and some coffee N's like you
are kidding me. I got on with him really, really well,
and he always I think the wonderment of Peter As
they were talking about very complex detail and situations around
something like sailing, which you can just sank people excuse
the pun, but always made it sound so simple, and
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that's an amazing thing to do for any commentator.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I was involved in doing sound behind the scenes seeing
while this stuff up there, and I used to still
doing ask some questions about stuff I did an ass
and he sort of broke it down into language I
could understand, and I came away learning more than what
I knew, but you know that was outside. But I
was ringing up mainly because I agree with Richard that
I think it was Richard. It's lost its way. I mean,
I I liked the old days when he had the
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mono holes and big spinnakers, and you had the guys
on the thing turning all the winters and like putting
their hubs. You sweat and tears into this thing and
making it, whereas nowadays it's more technical. I think it's
in the sales gupis a little bit. I think, like
you know how the golf's got that golf live or whatever,
it's try and living it up a little bit. I
think there's sales GPS a little bit like that. It's
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sort of trying to make more interesting, more people interested
in the sport. But I do get worried that now
they're going away from the growners to batteries and all
that last thing you want to see is everything going
back to the ai and there's no one on the boat.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
There's something about the physicality that I think is exciting
and what I think is going to happen here. You
can imagine a critical juncture in the competition. Someone's battery
just fails, and I expect they'll be all the same
batteries and that will take away bit of that human
engagement away, which I think we like. It's a man
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machine thing. I think we enjoy that to it again,
I I.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Kind of like the fact that the boats in the
old days, or most of the boats have handbuilt, both
skilled crafts and whatever they put all together in the race,
and it's just your your strength and ability and mind
all working together in unison to make the boat wheers.
Nowadays it seems to be there's a guy sitting there
with a mouse and a keypad and then like a
game moving things around and there. It's lost a lot
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of the individuality that it's all sort of getting more computerized,
and it's I find it's sad. It's sort of taking.
I used to watch it quite a lot, but nowadays
I've got to turn away from him and gone to
what the other guy is saying. Watching a lot of
these older boat races with the monor holes because it's
just the competitivity between the people. It's just much more
interesting to watch and much more fun, and just some
of guys sitting around with a computer mouse flicking things
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all the times. Just playing the fun out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Really a bit more humanity, a bit more human What
you want to do then is get all the live
streams in Sydney, Hobert and on exciting humanity. Well that's
the one there for you, Greg, Thanks very much for
your call, Darcy. Is the America's Cup going through alloa
as once experienced by the Auckland Ran fairly Shield rugby
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team in the nineties, crowd stopped showing up perks of
repeated success. That's from fame and Palmi and someone else
has suggested that Dalton's not the sharpest tall on the shed.
He said he turned the New Zealand fan base against
him by taking it over seas to the highest bidder
and having a moment about the changes. Is a pretty
damn rich I'll give this to them. They've opened it
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up and they've got this new organization. They're going to
look after the sailing off and on the water. That's
not the defender. This is great. They're spreading it. They've
opened up a whole lot of doors here and I
think that is only a good thing for the America's Cup.
Won't all be right, but what they've got at the
moment is being swamped, so they've got to do something
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else and they've made some great calls, I believe. Anyway,
coming up next to talk a little bit of a
Nepple Kelley Jackson that joins us sees off to Australia. No,
that's up next here and News Talk's it's twelve away
from eighty you when we were in It's seven one
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sports look on News Talk eb Let's talk now to
Kelly Jackson. She's off to Australia.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Oh, Kelly, Hi, how's it going.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's going good. I'm not going to Australia like you are,
but it's going good. Is some news for you out
of the fire after the Firebirds for twenty twenty six.
I suppose first and foremost you were you were flirting
this wat back in May. I think it was reported
that you turned down offers and moved from Australia to
stay with the Ferns. So this has been bubbling for
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quite some time.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Well, obviously over the last couple of years, I've had
various offers to head over, but ultimately paying for the
silver surface has been my number one priority. But I've
been fortunate enough that revised their eligibility and adyption criterias
and processes. So it really has opened the door and
I went through the egymption process was successful and I
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was able to sign a contract with the Queensland Fibers,
which is really exciting.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
What do they want to know? What was the process?
Won't tell us what you need to do, so what
hoopes did you have to jump through?
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Ultimately, it was just a lot of discussions with no
Lean and our high performance staff at the Silver Ferns
to make sure that we're all aligned, that Australian clubs
are aligned with what the Silver Ferns want and their
vision and their program, and just making sure that it's
ultimately the best decision for us in our careers and
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also that it benefits me with New Zealand and it
will like if we go over there and play against
and we'll got the ability to play against the best
sit balls in the world week in and week out.
It's I'm going to help us go on and off
the court, so that it's an opportunity I'm really excited for.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So when the exemptions started playing out, when Grace Scott
Hers did the Firebirds ring you up and go quick,
get an exemption. Did you run with it instead? I'm
going to have a crack. How did that operate?
Speaker 11 (38:22):
Well?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
These discussions have been happening for a few months now,
so it's actually really nice to have it all out
in the open. The exhiption processes started months to ago,
and yeah, I've just been working through that and working
through my options overseas and making sure that I'm hitting
to a club that this the lines with myself and
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also willing to help me in terms of my international goals.
So I'm really happy with my decision and fathers ready
to get a month at Brisbane Heath. It's going to
be a contrast to the Wellington wins, but I'm really
looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You'll love it. So you've been in negotiations, so you
were reasonably sure that the eligibility clause from Mell New
Hiland was going to be pushed through. That's why you
were engaged.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Oh, I guess Grace heating over last year really put
the heat on Nipple New Zealand in terms of them
having to make a decision and assess the options and
whether it's doorgall to let Silver Ferns players over there,
And just really grateful that they have allowed us to
do so, and I think it's really going to help
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the game and ultimately help the Silver Ferns.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Do you think with yourself and grace on, there's going
to be quite a few Ferns now going. Oh I
fancy a crack at that. I mean you've talked amongst
the Polese ladies, if you talked amongst the Silver Ferns
are out, what the feeling is around the group now
that they can possibly go to Australia.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I think we will see a couple over there. It's
obviously a confidential process and everyone's out there to protect
themselves and protect their clubs. So I guess we'll find
out the next few weeks what movements are going to be.
But you know, whatever movement's happened and players who go
to Australia, it just gives opportunity for players in New
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Zealand to have a crack at as your premiership contact
and gain more court time than get starting given spots.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So you know you'll been talking, but you can't let
the cat out of the bag because you don't want
to ruin your relationships. But there's there's definitely been foremost
and conversations here. No it's not no, no, no, okay,
you has asked, that's the media. We can't help ourselves.
Good things come to those who ask they exactly your
your career to date has been astonishing, what you've won,
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what you've been awarded, and you said before that what's
good for your career? So at the right young age
of what twenty eight, this is just a one off
your way for one year, two years, but you're likely
to go back. Where does that fit in the greend
to scale because you've got a lo a nepple still
to play.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Kelly, Well, I've signed a one year contract, but you know,
looking back on my career, I've been in this competition
for eleven years, spent five years of the magic six
years at Pulse and have y been very fortunate and
the opportunity both teams been able to give me and
the development and growth that provided also. But for me,
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I just think it's you know, a really cool opportunity,
a really cool life experience that's never lived overseas, so
that's going to be really fun, and just been how
to go over there, put myself out of my comfort
zone and really challenge myself. It is something I'm looking
forward to and.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
We're looking forward to watching it as well. Kelly Jackson,
thank you very much for your time forward. It's away
from eight. That's Sports Talk for another day, another doll. Tuesday,
twelfth of August twenty twenty five. I've had a text
that says, don't forget it was all women's crew that
challenged or defended the cut from the nineties. Might be was,
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but it was part of the defenders trials over at
the America's Cup, so they all had to kind of
fight against each other before they went up there, and
that was up against Dennis Connor. Want to say, was
the America cubed boat, wasn't it? And billionaire businessman fundled
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at all? They won the first race, but it didn't
go much further. Good memory, Well done that man, Thank
you for listening, Thanks for your text, Thank you all
for listening. Thanks to my double prong production crew, Corbyn
learning the ropes and tying them up on them. Sorry,
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I'm Darcy Water Grayvine going home catching them on.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yell, good evening, Welcome on in the sportsga's news Storks, ZMBM,
Dicey Water go here. It isn't seven and a half
to seven. On Tuesday, twelfth of August twenty twenty five,
Big day in sport, Big day in sailing. America's Cup
rolled the protocol out all of the changes. There are
plenty of them, bringing the America's Cup up to speed
(01:01):
up to the modern age. Turning around, going sol gp here,
catch that hold my drink. It's very interesting and we'll
be joined by sarting commentator Sailor Cristile shortly to look
through to pack through the details of this protocol. It's
only been out for a few hours. I'm sure the
devil's all in the detail, plenty to look at. And
(01:22):
I'm wondering if this will encourage you to gaze at,
participate in it, or be more enthused in the America's Cup.
Of course, Team Zealander defending that cup looking to pick
up four times on the bounce. Will this be helpful?
Will it help the sport or will it help the regatta?
Expand will it regain a place in the consciousness of
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not only the people of New Zealand, but in global sailing. Gourz.
Let's face it probably more important on a global scale
than us. We're too small, but it's out, it's there
to look at. Crystille is going to comment on that shortly.
Then we'll take your calls on at eight hundred eighty
ten eighty three four nationwide or you can look me
at text nine two to zeb ze beast and a
(02:08):
text charge does apply. And dar see why Darcy newstalks
b dot co dot in z is how he can
get hold of y'all. And Kelly Jackson joins us toward
the end of the program. Knee Jerry, She's off along
with it looks like old raft of players to go
and ply their trade and netball and the Super Series
over in Ozzie leaving the A and Z Premiership. Now
(02:30):
the eligibility laws have been tweeked. Kelly Jackson to join
us toward the end of the program. Before we do
any of that, let's do this same sport today and
in sports today, all Black coach Scott Robertson thinks Cortezma
will be fine in Argentina. Fine, he kind of has
(02:51):
to be right. He's like third off the truck.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We got him a good crack last year to be
ready for moments like this. You know, he's learning like
everyone does. But it gets to ball off the deck
and into a tense hand, and you know, we want
to play fast and he'll just get better with experience
and maturity.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Pass the ball to the first five eighths. That is
key for anyone playing in the half bet role team
and said Boss Grant Dalton has compromised. Yes, he's compromised.
Part of the freshly released protocol for the next America's Cup,
nationality is the sticking point. With the scraping of the
one hundred percent nationality rule that's been in place for
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the last couple of editions, two non nationals are now
allowed on board. So it's Peter Burley right, jump the ship,
swam to another boat. AnyWho is what Granton has to
say about that, Yeah, it was for sure. I've kept
up so we probably not even that convinced or totally convinced,
but you know you've got to make compromises.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
We're going to make compromises, and.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
That was one of them.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, were you go compromised? Well done. Departing silver Fern
coach Jackson thinks the absence of key players in the
Ains Premiership isn't actually a bad thing.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
I have no doubt that the league is going to
keep silting from you to year and I just see
with a few of us sitting over to Australia, it
just goods opportunity to younger ones coming through for more
court time and the static simm position.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And all whites. The skipper Chris Ward has got his
eyes on the green and the goal looking over the
dipty is all about taking on the socker rooms.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
We don't get to play Australia often, and especially lean
into a World Cup year. It's exciting to challenge for
us and we want to beat them. We haven't been
able to beat them for a while, so we want
to actually do that. That's how challenge comes September. I
want to be a part of that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Don't know how much Australian Football regret naming their team
soccer ruse. Now the entire world knows the sport is football,
with the exception the Americans. Of course, the football arouse
doesn't have the same ring about it, does it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So be it, and that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Eleven minutes after seven's News Talks, theb on Sports Talk
on Darcy Water gave to the boats we Go. It's
all about sailing and the America's Cup Protocol is out
with joined by sailor and sailing commentator mister Chris Steele.
Good Chris. Big news today around the America's Cup. The protocol,
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so many changes, so many tweaks, so many adjustments. Big
for the sport, massive for the America's Cup. Just how
much does this loom over the competition, over the regatta?
Speaker 8 (05:29):
Yeah, I mean, obviously today's a big day, and I
guess the forecast of what the event's going to look like,
who's going to be involved and all that sort of thing.
So yeah, turning plenty of heads today in the sailing world,
and yeah, I guess everyone can kind of get to
planning what their program is going to look like for
the next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
The big decisions, the big changes, they're everywhere, aren't they.
I suppose what to you stands up as being the
main change in the protocol, And I mean one, two, three, four,
how many of them?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
I mean there's a lot to dissect, and the interesting
thing will just be trying to figure out how how
many teams this is going to impact and who's going
to actually turn up to the start line. I mean,
there'll be teams that benefit from the change, and there'll
be other teams that don't. So that'll be the interesting
thing for me is how many teams we're also going
to see on the start line.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
You know when they get to Italy.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, they've got a cap put on it. You've got
to use the old holes. They've got added a female competitor.
They've opened up another spot for a royal or an
influencer to come on. They've got rid of the cyclause
it's all battery power, and they're looking at we're putting
together this group that looks after the America's Cup both
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on the water and off the water. That's pretty big
that that control has been given to an independent, if
you will.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Yeah, I guess what they're trying to do is trying
to share the workload so that they can I guess
folks just on solely on the.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Development of the boat and their own program.
Speaker 8 (06:58):
I mean, in the past, the responsibility has kind of
fallen in the lap of the defender, so to speak,
and actually trying to make sure that the racings kind
of you know, run and conducted in a certain way
almost becomes a bit of a burden, you know, so
they try and outsource that. But I guess, you know,
having having an independent I guess organization just in charge
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of that, I think will allow the teams to focus
solely on their own on their own programs and yeah,
just just focus on the racing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
More transparency, do you think of it's out of the
hands of an individual team.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Yeah, I mean, like, like you said, there's there's a
lot of different changes that to dissect, And I mean
where do you start. Like you've got the influencer type role,
which I guess is just trying to promote the sports
sort of thing. And then you've got obviously a female
person on the boat. Where do you move you know,
the dynamics and the team to to best you know,
accommodate that. Like, you know, my guess is you probably
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a high chance you'll have a female driving on one
side of the boat. So you know, that would change
a lot of the current makeups of the teams at
the moment that have two kind of set and sown
sort of skippers. So I mean some of the partnerships
there that the teams have solely built their sailing team
around over the last couple of campaigns might get a
shake up in that regard as well. And obviously can
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you start going to the equipment side of things, Yeah,
I mean this is this is kind of where the
teams need the information that they've been waiting for so
that they can really launch sort of right into the
swing of things. So it's a pretty pivotal day and
the Cup cycle for this next edition.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'm fascinated by the cost cap roughly one hundred and
forty seven million New Zealand dollars are the same hull
for the last edition. Teams can acquire an existing hole
a bit a new one, but it has to be
the same. Very important. How important, because this is a
billionaire's playground, is the fact that now they've got a
limit on that going to grow the Cup?
Speaker 9 (08:54):
Do you believe, Chris, That's a good question because I
think the cost cap sort of probably suits the lower
budget teams the most, and you'd have to probably sum
with the current big hit that are in there at
the moment that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
The Kiwis are one of the lower budget teams.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
So effectively, you're kind of going to end up in
a similar sort of position as I guess the Formula
One model, where you know, all of a sudden, now
because you've got a cost cap in place, it might
invite you know, some some lower budget teams to come in,
whether that's as a new team or the existing teams.
But what it means is you're just going to have
to be very selective with how you spend your money.
And I think if you look at the last edition
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in America's Cup, one of the very intriguing kind of
things was you had the presence of any US involved,
you know, the Mercedes kind of Formula One team there,
and then also with Red Bull with Lingi there was
there was another presence sort of there. So all of
those involvements were to keep the cost down for the
Formula One teams. You know, it was as much to
benefit the Formula One teams as it was the America's
(09:53):
Cup team. So you know, there's I guess if you
look at that kind of forecasted model, now, how these
America's Cup teams going to try and develop softwares and
technology and other sports, so that it does spend into
that cost cap that they've got for the Cup.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Two non nationals allowed to sail, allowed to be on board,
and it's not got anything to do with who they
represented last time around, So that's been tweaked too. So
you look at that and think, well, Peter Berling is
free to climb on the boat. Is it important to
have non nationals? There's only five crew members plus an extra.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Now, I mean it's a very tricky.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
There's a lot of different pros and cons when you
look at that particular of the American's Cup. I mean,
in the last couple of years it's gone back down
the sort of direction of being all about the sort
of nations, which we've kind of seen to quite a
heavy extent, but sort of if you go back to
sort of the two thousand America's Cup or two thousand
and seven, the last sort of edition of the version
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five monohlls, there really wasn't any nationality.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Rule whatsoever, so to speak.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
So it was little bit more of a commercial kind
of event, so to speak, and you had quite a
large participation rate at that sort of stage, so I think, yeah,
I mean, like you said, you mentioned Pete being eligible
to sail on one of the boats, now, that is
huge news. I haven't read the wording of that part
of it, so to speak yet, but he would obviously
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be an extremely strong addition to any team whether he
was on the boat or not.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But if he's able to be on the boat now
as well, then.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
Yeah, that's definitely going to be a pretty pretty big
talking point and it'll make that Lunarrosit team extremely strong.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Chris Steele joining us and Chris the Devil's in the detail.
You haven't read that yet, No, I don't know how
many fish hooks are in that particular clause through there
the fact that there's one woman on board, how big?
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Yeah, I mean, that's I think if you look at
the trend of where the sport's sort of been going
in the last couple of years across multiple sort of
of the higher end sailing circuits, particularly America's Cup and
sal GP, there's been a big push to involve more
females on the boat. Clearly that's what they've they've sort
of looked at with the current rules for this next
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Americans Cup as well. Again, if you look at the
changes that they're made, having batteries on the boat and
non cyclists and all those sorts of things. My gut
feeling is that will make the boats less physical in
terms of the output that you need to control a
lot of the functions on the boat. And so that's
a positive thing for the females. You know, if you've
got batteries, if you've got batteries for you know, powering
(12:31):
those functions, then you know, you could have females driving
the boat, or you could have females you know, pushing
buttons and controlling sales and or technically making decisions around
the racetrack.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You know, you name it.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
There's they can kind of be involved in an area,
whereas in the past, when there was so much physical
output needed to perform those functions on the boat, it
made the spots very limited for people outside of you know,
the workhorses on the boat.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So to speak.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
So I'd say those two kind of go hand in hand.
And again it will just add a completely different element
to the makeup of the teams, like where are your
best going to be, you know, trying to use the
rules to your advantage in that regard, Like it says
there's only one female in the boat, but you know,
there's nothing saying you couldn't have more so to speak,
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So it'll be interesting to see the direction that people
go down with that as well.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And Chris confirmation it will be held every two years. Wow,
this is quite a big reaction to what sale GP
have been up to. Is it not? Not right across
the board, but in general, they're whipping it up. They're
making it regularly. You know, when it's coming, they're really
opening the doors one hundred and seventy four years of history.
(13:43):
They're making some big calls here. But every two years
is that sustainable?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
I think if you look at the fact that they're
trying to cut the costs down, it will make it
sustainable in that regard. You know, if you're putting a
budget cap on it of would just say one hundred
and fifty million or whatever, you know that is honestly
it's probably maybe half of what some of those top
end teams were spending over a four year cycle, so
(14:12):
or not quite but close enough too. So Yeah, if
you if you're cutting the budget significantly, then every tw
years might be possible. Again, that's something that's going to
appeal more to you know, commercial contacts that are coming
into the game, like bigger sponsors are going to want
to be involved if it's a regular thing.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I think you've seen that already with the model and SALDP.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
You know the way that sport in general is going
now I'm not just with sailing, but again, you know,
the easiest comparison is looking at Formula one is like
regular races, you know, every you know, once a month
or once every couple of weeks sort of thing, and
that keeps people engaged because not just not just in sport,
but if you look at all social media and all
(14:53):
those sorts of things, everything is getting shorter. You know,
the attention span of people is getting shorter and shorter,
so videos all that type of thing, the clips are
coming down and becoming more frequent. So I think, you know,
I think that's the model that's sort of happening in
sport nowadays as well. And that's the thing that probably
makes the most sense that they've they've looked at, and
that's one of the reasons why they're changing direction in
(15:15):
that regard.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And on that Chris Steele, we think if your time,
your expertise, look forward to catching up again soon. Big
day for saving Big day for America's Cup.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You go, well, yeah, cheers Darcy. Thanks mate, forget.
Speaker 10 (15:26):
The riff's call, you make the call. Sports Talk on
your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This is News Talks eb on Sports Madam's Darcy water Grave.
There was long time Sailors starting commentator Chris Steele talking
about the protocol changes for the upcoming America's Cup. There
are so many it's difficult to isolate one particular tweak.
I'd like to focus on how much of this is
(16:00):
a is reaction to the attack of sale GP. You
can't help but think that say GP set a fire
underneath the America's Cup when it came to reimagining what
competitive sailing is at a highest level, very different Sports
(16:22):
America's Cup compared to what happens in sale GP. Different
but the same. And what they've managed to do in
a couple of years is is engaged a lot of people.
It has a continuity, it has regularity, It's attracted a
number of nations. They all want to play. It's getting
bigger and bigger. So I'm presuming I don't know on
(16:45):
not living in Grant Dalton's head, nor I should be
rent free or i'd probably have to pay a wee bit.
I can't help but think this says to be Look,
we're gonna we're gonna have to react to this because
it's seen as being cumbersome. An organization in the America's
Cup takes a long time to sort out. It's seen
as cumbers and it's seen as overwhelm the expense of
(17:07):
it's scene as drain. So these changes, they're huge and
really important. My question to you, and I'll run through
some of these questions for you later, and the piece
my question for you is this enough to get you
back into the America's Cup? Have you all gone by
and gone yeah, nah, whatefft, whatever reasons they may be,
(17:32):
is this reignited your interest in the America's Cup? And
if there's someone I'll be talking to you tonight about this.
As my mate Peter Lester got that news and found
it quite difficult to swallow, and he spoke to him
what six weeks ago, supposed to meet for coffee when
I came back from England. Super nice bloke, kind, generous
(17:56):
with his time as knowledge, and he would have been
the go to straight away all je respect. Chris, still,
thanks very much for coming on the show, but just
seemed weird talk about the protocol of the America's Cup
without Peter Leicester. So friends and family feel your pain.
Too young, too young, condolences to all almost your Peter Lester,
(18:18):
you really really will it? His News Talks, there be
contributions on the America's Cup. Is it going to get
you back into it again? These wholesale changes in the protocol?
Will this spark your interest again in the America's Cup? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty three phone number nationwise?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Have your sale always eighty sports Talk on your home
of sports news talks it be.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Do you guy still see you.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Sign this?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No Jelly Jackson that joins us later on in Sports Talk.
Silver Firn, legging it to Australia's threatened to do it before,
but chose to stay because she wanted to be a
silver firm, wanted to wear the black dress and the things.
The requirements have been tweaked just and somewhat so off
(19:35):
she goes, and there is rumor around that are a
number of other netballers that are going to follow in
her steps. Of course, she followed the steps of Grace Waker.
So we'll talk to her about that, how it came about,
who tried to talk her out of it, and so
on and so forth if anyone did later on the
peace talking about of netballs. Get back to America's Cup? Now,
(19:57):
is this done enough to restimulate your interest in America's Cup?
This guy's texting honestly, who cares so plainly? It hasn't
at all rustled as fair as either way, a lot
of people do big changes. Of all the sailors on board,
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one of the sailors must be a woman. One at
least could be more. And talking with Chris Steele before,
he talked about the fact that the cyclaws and the
grinders are all gone. It's all battery powed now, so
they don't need that extra grunt, if you will, so
(20:43):
required extra strength isn't dead. And on general, we know
that men are generally bigger and stronger than women. So
the fact that the mental skill power of women is
now going to be fully engaged, not fully, but there
will be at least one on the boat is massive,
so brings them up to the mark with modern thinking.
And when you ignore women completely in sport basically can't
(21:07):
hid if your eyeballs out, don't you know this is
half a population. This is good grind Dalton doesn't like
the eligibility situation. Two sailors don't have to be from
their country origin. It doesn't matter if they when they
last competed, because Peter Berling wasn't going about a sail
(21:29):
Now we can to step down or spend a couple
of years in the wilderness. If you join another team
that you're not a native of there's pretty hard. Pete
Berling's going to tell you a lot ip with them,
whether he's going to get on the boat or not. Well,
(21:49):
I think all of the armory that he took with them,
it's going to be huge. Two non natives. So a
lot of people that really liked the idea was about
a group of in our case, News Island is taking
on the world. But I think that there that ship
(22:12):
is sail if you will, so it can be a
team and a name alone with just over half the
crew on board that are involved in the country. That's fine.
I don't have too much of an issue with that
because it's so you don't feel an attachment with the
new Zealand team. When you never see the boat, you
(22:32):
never see the team, and most of the major sponsors
have got anything to do with New Zealand, so it's
not really New Zealand's it's just something we like to watch.
The other change is the budget, and they've dropped that remarkably.
I think this is possibly one of the most important
(22:54):
changes in the protocol of the America's Cup. The biggest
problem previously is I said to Chris, is a millionaire's playground.
That's what it was. A billionaires playground. Millionaires small change,
billionaires playground. So if the sport becomes more accessible, you
still have to be a millionaire playing, not a billionaire.
(23:16):
That means it's going to be more competition and more
depth of it, more competition for people who want to
hold the event, more interest so from the regatta as
a whole. I think it's probably one of the most
important changes that they've made. Limit the use of technology,
(23:41):
limit how much you have to spend to build a
new boat. More people will come because at the moment
there's just a couple of syndicates in the world can
play this game. To me, this is huge and I
probably don't people don't like me comparing or saying, look
it's because of sale GP, but in essence it is
sale GP turned up and shook that mega regata up.
(24:06):
This is how we do it. This is the modern era.
This is what we're going to do. And they changed
attitudes and opinions in that high stakes, high finance sailing
so that the America's Cup of ten minut and go,
you know, we can do this too. We've got to
do it slightly different. It's a slightly different regatta, but
you know why not. We've got to keep up with
the Jones. We've got to keep up with the times.
(24:30):
This is positive twenty seven minutes away from me. I
don't need to be further enthused by it. I love
the racing, I love the technology. I'm seeing a lot
of good out of this protocol. There might be some
stuff you don't like. Let me know, Richard, how are you?
Speaker 11 (24:44):
Yeah? Good? Why we watched the America's Cup. I just
realized over the weekend through catching the yachting program on
sky Sport European. We watch it because there's nothing else,
and I I caught up with pt F two. Here
(25:06):
is Mono, how just a big open skiff and I
watched the racing and I thought, this is going to
capture people. It looks achievable on a corporate side, you know,
financial it's going to be doable. And and once these
(25:28):
sort of programs come out, they're going to be invited
down Australia. They got the money would be one or
two And it's a bit of a case of throwing
a coin in the air. Do you watch the Warriors
or the All Blacks and it's going to be the
same thing. I think the America's Cups are simply done
(25:48):
its day. I was a big fan, but it's just
just doesn't grab me anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
What does it not grab you anymore? You're a big fan? What?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
What cut you adrift?
Speaker 11 (26:01):
I reckon, it's just too fast. It's I just the
this PT fifty quick boats, their their planning, they're not
foiling for a start.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sorry, but I don't know about how big are these.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Fifty two foot Okay, you know PT fifty two big
European series on Sailing World on sky Sport. And I thought,
this is what we need to see. Wellington, Harbor, Auckland, Littleton, Picton.
It's it's doable and you can only watch one thing
(26:42):
at a time, and if it's interesting, you'll watch it.
I just think the America's Cup is sort of dan
It's day. Can't can't got my finger on it any
other way. But it's the way I feel.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Too many things to too many people. Now, there a
lot of people out of the traditions that love that
idea of sailing not foiling. They want to see that that.
I want to see short, sharp, quick races up and down.
They want to see something more dramatic.
Speaker 11 (27:12):
Yeah, a little bit of the lack of the gods
into the windships and all that, and you know all that.
What you know, I saw Peter Lester's sort of accolades
on TV with his sailing. I didn't he didn't realize
he had sailed as much as he had. I knew
he had done, but he was you know, some of
that escaped me. You know, i'd watched that again. That's
(27:36):
still interesting. But anyway, I just think another financial type
of interest. And you know, obviously advertising, he got big sales,
you can put names on them, and I just see
something coming along. May it may be what I saw,
(27:57):
it may be something similar, but it was enough for
me to think Okay, I want to try and watch this.
Sky Sports only has about a fifteen minute segment on
the sale program, so and they cover a lot of sports,
you know, windsurfing and everything. But yep, let's see what
(28:17):
comes along. You know, you throw a whole pile of
cards in the area and see what comes down.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, it's been a few, isn't it. They've they've definitely tried.
But the fact that they're going, look, we've got to
reimagine what we're doing here, even though essentially it's been
re imagined for quite a while, if it since Big
Boat Challenge, Cadamrain the like as well. But I think
it's their.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Yeah, but they've locked it up, you know, they've they've
been moved themselves to this protectionism and and you know,
you know, the thinking public, Okay, it's you know, I'm
not going to play your game anymore. So you know,
I'm not all the oss. But what I'd be right
(28:57):
behind anyone wanting to set up a series of that
in New Zealand and it would travel, it would travel
quite happily, those those vessels, and it wouldn't be anywhere
near the expenditure it you're looking at now. It would
be you know, you want to see thirty yachts in
a regatta.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
There's kind of a romance about that, isn't that, Richard,
seeing a whole lot of yachts and spinningers out beautiful
colors tearing away on the briny deep, not just shooting
about an in the harbor.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
Yeah, well, you you know, you identity to get up close.
You know, I was in Auckland two thousand and two,
I think it was for the America's Cup, and I
enjoyed it. It was obviously, you know, in the conventional
whole series, and you know, i'd go back up to
(29:52):
watch it again, but I just don't think I'm going
to I haven't. I haven't tried to go to Auckland
for the Foiling one. It's just, you know, I just
watched it on TV, because you need to be on
TV to actually get an idea that you.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean, Richard, like when you're right there though you
watch these things, you're quite blown away by the speed
of the technology, and you only get that when you're there.
But Richard thinks, so much for your call, thanks for
dialing in a eight hundred and eighty ten eighty too
much in one direction too much like sale GP. I
think that Richard made a good point. They've gone maybe
(30:31):
too far and they've painted themselves into a corner with
this possibly, I don't know. They're showing innovation. They're looking
at a way to encourage more countries to be involved.
And that's what we want right much bigger regatta. I
want three teams competing for it. Where's the fun on that?
(30:56):
I agree with that caller technology has not been great
for the America's Cup. Bring back the spinnakers and actual sailing.
And someone else said they might as well just be
very non simulates our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Is this redoing it? Are you going to rediscovering process
(31:18):
of the America's Cup? Navy? Realize it's going to be regular,
it's going to be cheaper to run, there's going to
be more teams. What's the saying that could get you
in all sorts of trouble? Something about little barm in
a soide. Oh you know what I'm talking about. It's
twenty minutes to eight. This is his news talks edbe's
(31:55):
for a look on news Talks ed B. Kelly Jackson
joins us shortly carrying on with the calls though in
the America's Cup. Good even to you Craig didn't have
the game. Yeah, good, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I must have been listening a living under a rock
for a little while. I didn't acually passed here. The
commentary passed away, which is really sad. I've met him
a few times for in the soundcome I used to
work for, and he's just a real down to earth guy,
and so it's really sad but extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So I read the news this Saturday morning at work
Monday and wake up and some coffee N's like you
are kidding me. I got on with him really, really well,
and he always I think the wonderment of Peter As
they were talking about very complex detail and situations around
something like sailing, which you can just sank people excuse
the pun, but always made it sound so simple, and
(32:43):
that's an amazing thing to do for any commentator.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I was involved in doing sound behind the scenes seeing
while this stuff up there, and I used to still
doing ask some questions about stuff I did an ass
and he sort of broke it down into language I
could understand, and I came away learning more than what
I knew, but you know that was outside. But I
was ringing up mainly because I agree with Richard that
I think it was Richard. It's lost its way. I mean,
I I liked the old days when he had the
(33:08):
mono holes and big spinnakers, and you had the guys
on the thing turning all the winters and like putting
their hubs. You sweat and tears into this thing and
making it, whereas nowadays it's more technical. I think it's
in the sales gupis a little bit. I think, like
you know how the golf's got that golf live or whatever,
it's try and living it up a little bit. I
think there's sales GPS a little bit like that. It's
(33:30):
sort of trying to make more interesting, more people interested
in the sport. But I do get worried that now
they're going away from the growners to batteries and all
that last thing you want to see is everything going
back to the ai and there's no one on the boat.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
There's something about the physicality that I think is exciting
and what I think is going to happen here. You
can imagine a critical juncture in the competition. Someone's battery
just fails, and I expect they'll be all the same
batteries and that will take away bit of that human
engagement away, which I think we like. It's a man
(34:03):
machine thing. I think we enjoy that to it again,
I I.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Kind of like the fact that the boats in the
old days, or most of the boats have handbuilt, both
skilled crafts and whatever they put all together in the race,
and it's just your your strength and ability and mind
all working together in unison to make the boat wheers.
Nowadays it seems to be there's a guy sitting there
with a mouse and a keypad and then like a
game moving things around and there. It's lost a lot
(34:28):
of the individuality that it's all sort of getting more computerized,
and it's I find it's sad. It's sort of taking.
I used to watch it quite a lot, but nowadays
I've got to turn away from him and gone to
what the other guy is saying. Watching a lot of
these older boat races with the monor holes because it's
just the competitivity between the people. It's just much more
interesting to watch and much more fun, and just some
of guys sitting around with a computer mouse flicking things
(34:49):
all the times. Just playing the fun out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Really a bit more humanity, a bit more human What
you want to do then is get all the live
streams in Sydney, Hobert and on exciting humanity. Well that's
the one there for you, Greg, Thanks very much for
your call, Darcy. Is the America's Cup going through alloa
as once experienced by the Auckland Ran fairly Shield rugby
(35:11):
team in the nineties, crowd stopped showing up perks of
repeated success. That's from fame and Palmi and someone else
has suggested that Dalton's not the sharpest tall on the shed.
He said he turned the New Zealand fan base against
him by taking it over seas to the highest bidder
and having a moment about the changes. Is a pretty
damn rich I'll give this to them. They've opened it
(35:33):
up and they've got this new organization. They're going to
look after the sailing off and on the water. That's
not the defender. This is great. They're spreading it. They've
opened up a whole lot of doors here and I
think that is only a good thing for the America's Cup.
Won't all be right, but what they've got at the
moment is being swamped, so they've got to do something
(35:53):
else and they've made some great calls, I believe. Anyway,
coming up next to talk a little bit of a
Nepple Kelley Jackson that joins us sees off to Australia. No,
that's up next here and News Talk's it's twelve away
from eighty you when we were in It's seven one
(36:26):
sports look on News Talk eb Let's talk now to
Kelly Jackson. She's off to Australia.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Oh, Kelly, Hi, how's it going.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's going good. I'm not going to Australia like you are,
but it's going good. Is some news for you out
of the fire after the Firebirds for twenty twenty six.
I suppose first and foremost you were you were flirting
this wat back in May. I think it was reported
that you turned down offers and moved from Australia to
stay with the Ferns. So this has been bubbling for
(36:58):
quite some time.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Well, obviously over the last couple of years, I've had
various offers to head over, but ultimately paying for the
silver surface has been my number one priority. But I've
been fortunate enough that revised their eligibility and adyption criterias
and processes. So it really has opened the door and
I went through the egymption process was successful and I
(37:22):
was able to sign a contract with the Queensland Fibers,
which is really exciting.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
What do they want to know? What was the process?
Won't tell us what you need to do, so what
hoopes did you have to jump through?
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Ultimately, it was just a lot of discussions with no
Lean and our high performance staff at the Silver Ferns
to make sure that we're all aligned, that Australian clubs
are aligned with what the Silver Ferns want and their
vision and their program, and just making sure that it's
ultimately the best decision for us in our careers and
(37:53):
also that it benefits me with New Zealand and it
will like if we go over there and play against
and we'll got the ability to play against the best
sit balls in the world week in and week out.
It's I'm going to help us go on and off
the court, so that it's an opportunity I'm really excited for.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So when the exemptions started playing out, when Grace Scott
Hers did the Firebirds ring you up and go quick,
get an exemption. Did you run with it instead? I'm
going to have a crack. How did that operate?
Speaker 11 (38:22):
Well?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
These discussions have been happening for a few months now,
so it's actually really nice to have it all out
in the open. The exhiption processes started months to ago,
and yeah, I've just been working through that and working
through my options overseas and making sure that I'm hitting
to a club that this the lines with myself and
(38:43):
also willing to help me in terms of my international goals.
So I'm really happy with my decision and fathers ready
to get a month at Brisbane Heath. It's going to
be a contrast to the Wellington wins, but I'm really
looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You'll love it. So you've been in negotiations, so you
were reasonably sure that the eligibility clause from Mell New
Hiland was going to be pushed through. That's why you
were engaged.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Oh, I guess Grace heating over last year really put
the heat on Nipple New Zealand in terms of them
having to make a decision and assess the options and
whether it's doorgall to let Silver Ferns players over there,
And just really grateful that they have allowed us to
do so, and I think it's really going to help
(39:33):
the game and ultimately help the Silver Ferns.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Do you think with yourself and grace on, there's going
to be quite a few Ferns now going. Oh I
fancy a crack at that. I mean you've talked amongst
the Polese ladies, if you talked amongst the Silver Ferns
are out, what the feeling is around the group now
that they can possibly go to Australia.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I think we will see a couple over there. It's
obviously a confidential process and everyone's out there to protect
themselves and protect their clubs. So I guess we'll find
out the next few weeks what movements are going to be.
But you know, whatever movement's happened and players who go
to Australia, it just gives opportunity for players in New
(40:17):
Zealand to have a crack at as your premiership contact
and gain more court time than get starting given spots.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So you know you'll been talking, but you can't let
the cat out of the bag because you don't want
to ruin your relationships. But there's there's definitely been foremost
and conversations here. No it's not no, no, no, okay,
you has asked, that's the media. We can't help ourselves.
Good things come to those who ask they exactly your
your career to date has been astonishing, what you've won,
(40:48):
what you've been awarded, and you said before that what's
good for your career? So at the right young age
of what twenty eight, this is just a one off
your way for one year, two years, but you're likely
to go back. Where does that fit in the greend
to scale because you've got a lo a nepple still
to play.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Kelly, Well, I've signed a one year contract, but you know,
looking back on my career, I've been in this competition
for eleven years, spent five years of the magic six
years at Pulse and have y been very fortunate and
the opportunity both teams been able to give me and
the development and growth that provided also. But for me,
(41:26):
I just think it's you know, a really cool opportunity,
a really cool life experience that's never lived overseas, so
that's going to be really fun, and just been how
to go over there, put myself out of my comfort
zone and really challenge myself. It is something I'm looking
forward to and.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
We're looking forward to watching it as well. Kelly Jackson,
thank you very much for your time forward. It's away
from eight. That's Sports Talk for another day, another doll. Tuesday,
twelfth of August twenty twenty five. I've had a text
that says, don't forget it was all women's crew that
challenged or defended the cut from the nineties. Might be was,
(42:03):
but it was part of the defenders trials over at
the America's Cup, so they all had to kind of
fight against each other before they went up there, and
that was up against Dennis Connor. Want to say, was
the America cubed boat, wasn't it? And billionaire businessman fundled
(42:23):
at all? They won the first race, but it didn't
go much further. Good memory, Well done that man, Thank
you for listening, Thanks for your text, Thank you all
for listening. Thanks to my double prong production crew, Corbyn
learning the ropes and tying them up on them. Sorry,
(42:48):
I'm Darcy Water Grayvine going home catching them on.
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