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August 18, 2025 15 mins

The Wallabies expect a 'Boks backlash to be in the forecast after their stunning victory in Johannesburg.

Australia have come back from 22 points down to pull off an unlikely victory with 38 unanswered points.

The two sides meet again in Cape Town next week - and former Wallaby Stirling Mortlock joined Piney to discuss.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
from news Talk zed B.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
So the Wallabyes have opened the Rugby Championship in grand
style with a famous thirty eight twenty two win over
the world champion spring Box in Johannesburg yesterday morning. It
certainly did not start that way though.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Good Toy slightly isolated, mcgreightwing Low, lost his coptic, his
clussy and kirct the iron sun.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's a spectacular.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Start, silky skills from Luata Yaka, Jesse Kreel gets outside
his man Peter step to Toy too his inside Andrey
yestonas and runs off a spectacular move to score his
first test Tribe and Kolisi hits away. That is more

(01:04):
just relentless from Sequal. He's spring books.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
So twenty minutes gone and it's twenty two nil to
the spring Box. And it was still that as we
approached the half hour mark.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
But let's now.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Switch commentary teams. With the score still at twenty two nil.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Way to ikey to ou ikey teu so O'Connor. It
keeps alivee pikey Tee. Now Dylan Peach, he'll run it
in for the Wallabies. First, there's a little something for
those in gold white.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Going back, short sighted Bell holds it up for Wilson.
Bell to Wilson, that is beautiful for the wall of
the lungs handle these last few moments.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Surely takes the end of set off, goes Joseph, a
tousshof surelye and it is game on in Shoburg.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Bell with a long bow sulei.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
He floats to Tom right with a little step and
go seam. Wright gets away from a copy Tom right
with Wilson on.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
His right, Harry Wilson going for a second. Harry Wilson,
come on, big Hags, come on, big hage, get it down.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
The wall of these are in shrunts.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
The noises come up a few decibels at Ellis Pie
O'Connor wine to.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Doorginson he has fross and I told them with Max
doggingson lyrical Max.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Does it again. Is this really happening? Talkis's gonna cover
the trail. Talgas is there, he Saizen is there.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Tom Wright's going the other way, Tom right, Tom Wrights.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Down the edge, Tom right.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Back in Jill, Oh my goodness, this is just too good.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
This is ecstacy, so all of it sends an ecstasy
for that Australian commentator.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Too. Brilliant stuff from Sean Mallow. So the upshot was
Australia scored thirty eight unanswered points six tries, four of
them converted by James O'Connor, to win thirty eight twenty two,
their first Test win in South Africa since twenty twelve,
their first Test win at Ellis Park since nineteen sixty three.

(03:24):
Let's bring in Australian rugby legend, former Wallabies captain and
Member of the Order of Australia Sterling Mortlock Sterling, thanks
for joining us tonight. Where does that performance rank among
the best Wallaby's ones you've seen in recent times?

Speaker 7 (03:40):
I'd say it has to be it. You know, it's
either right up there or one of the best we've
ever had. As you just alluded to, we had won
at Altitude in Celebrigate since ninety kh three, and that,
you know, is that is something that has eluded many, many,
many great Willaby teams and certainly you know, I was

(04:03):
very lucky to have played in a pretty strong era
and I had many a time at Altitude where we
walked off the field, not just suffering a loss, but
suffering a big loss. I think. So the opportunity now
for this team is to show that the Lion series
and then obviously this amazing win isn't a flash in

(04:24):
the pan moment. It is the standard of this team
and it's a very young team is capable of moving forwards.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
How do you assess their ability to do that to
not just win this one? And you know there's been
a lot of excitement around about it, but to back
up what happened to Ella's Park, first of all, we
are similar performance in Cape Town this coming weekend.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
Yeah, I mean that's a huge challenge. I do recall
I think it was two thousand and eight when we
had two matches back to back over in South Africa
and we won our first one. I think it was
at Durban. I want to buy about I think it's
twelve points, and then we went to Attitude and actually
put fifty points on us. When you play a team,
you know, consecutive weeks on the trot at their home,

(05:07):
you know, in their town, it's extremely difficult to win
both of those games, or even one of those games.
So no doubt, and there's already been a narrative of
austraining Rugby's camp that they're expecting account punch and that's
rightly so you'd assume that's going to happen. They're world champions,
they're extremely proud nation. They're going to come out with
all guns blazing in Cape Town. I think the great

(05:30):
thing from my perspective is that the question was asked
after a really successful British and Irish Lions campaign, but unfortunately,
you know, it was a dead rubber in the third match.
The second match was an amazing Test match, so it
was a successful campaign in regards to they put rugby
on the map in our region. A lot of people

(05:52):
were talking about the Wallabies performances obviously not successful. So
then the ammunition or the inspiration to go out against
the world champions and play really really well was there
and they delivered, and they delivered and some now challenges
to do that again. It's a tough one. You know,
to play them two weeks in a row and get

(06:15):
two victories in a row, that's that's extremely extremely difficult.
But you know, I guess been twenty two points down
at altitude and this team not even not even showing
any signs of panic and the belief. You know, it's
a great foundation this team moving forwards.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
There was a school of thought, I think that the
Wallabies might be a bit fatigued after what was a
tough Lion series and then going all the way to
South Africa and playing at altitude first up. How would
they have avoided that possibility? And what stood out the
most to you about the way in which they won
the match from so far behind, Well.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
I think, you know, attitude is just one factor. I
think also typically when you play the Box at altitude,
it's at their spiritual home often so, and the crowd
gets behind them and they seem to grown another leg.
I think what was interesting on that performance was that

(07:11):
you could see that the Box at times were fatigued
as well, and the game that times was on an edge.
But every time that happened, it was actually the Australians
of Welbies that that found another gear, another way to
turn that in their favor. And there a couple of
tries that happened that will almost look like the Box
could have almost scored, but we turned it around and
it was almost a fourteen point delta. So on key moments,

(07:36):
this team has a belief that they can they can
find their way and that's really really important for my perspective.
And then probably what's really interesting as well, unstructured possession
is becoming a real weapon for this Wallabies outfit. So
that's a fantastic thing from my perspective because you know,
a lot of the game revolves around box kicking to

(07:59):
deptical kicking and unstructured possession and saying that the foundations
are quite good too, so this this world is outfit. Uh,
their set people's set piece was quite was quite strong
as well, so you know, it is really interesting to
see this team develop and blossom under Joe Smitteney's coaching.

(08:20):
Teams you know, should lead your guidance. What I'm excited
about is the fact that a hell of a lot
of this team is still very very young, but the
belief is there, the belief and that that belief in
playing you know, unstructured and less scripted footy is really
awesome to watch.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
How do you think Joseph so he is going in
the thirteen jersey?

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah, I think he's going well, I think thirteen. You know,
I think everyone player will probably say that their position
or their previous position is one of the hardest for
the best, but certainly from my perspective, thirteen is a
tough position because you are a linked person both in
attack and defense. In particular defense, you've got a lot
of usions to make that are really impactful and meaningful

(09:09):
in the game for the team. I think he's only
getting better. He hasn't played many test matches at thirteen,
and as he continues to get those opportunities to play
at thirteen, he's definitely going to grow and develop. What
it's clear is he's got world class attributes, and that's
whether you chuck him at thirteen or fullback on the wing.

(09:32):
But I'd love to see him get more time at thirteen.
You know, a few weeks ago I actually said that
there's no downside of him in getting exposed on the
wing end, which is what happened in my career for
a couple of years before I got the opportunity to
play consistently at thirteen. But I think he's got the
attributes to be a world class thirteen. If he gets
opportunity to play some consistent footy there, that's great.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, I saw you quoted in an article on that
saying that he might benefit from some time playing on
the wing as you did, and I think you said
you hated it, but it was of benefit to you.
Will the main positives be understanding what wingers need from
there thirteen?

Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah, absolutely so. As I said before, you're thirteen becomes
a really important cog in your team, both attack and defense,
but in particular defense and unstructured defense typically, and you're
the main call, you're the main voice in the team,
and you're a huge decision maker, a link person. And

(10:28):
if you end up playing wing, you get a really
clear understanding of what you need from a thirteen as
far as direction, guidance, voice, and connection. And so then
when you go thirteen, you know you really know how
to link and connect with you with your outside backs.
You know that you walk your battery. So that's something
that you learn it significantly better when you're on the

(10:53):
receiving end, when you're on when you're actually in the
position of win. So from that's what was great about
my development. And then secondly link to that is just
those decisions that happen on the of the moment in
game mode where you know if you do choose to
take blnes but and shut it down in defense that

(11:14):
can be great, but you can also look you can
also look pretty pretty average when you make the wrong
decision and then you leave your winger high and dry,
he doesn't come with you. So there's a lot of
connection that you learn from being, I guess in the
receiving end being a winger, but nothing but it's been
in the saddle right, So if Joseph can continue to

(11:35):
be and also ike, it's out the man inside of him.
This is the interesting paradigm. So he's in probably career
BEA's form, but he's playing twelve most of his career
he plays at thirteen. But he has done some just
really heavy lifting and some really amazing test matches performances
in the twelve jersey of late. So if those two
guys continue to play the midfield and get a really

(11:58):
formidable combination, I've got no issues with that happening consistently.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And you mentioned it being a young side, and you're right.
The outlier I guess is James Connor. He played the
whole Lady minutes in the team Jumper. He still looks
about seventeen, but can you see him continuing to play
a role in the side Stirling through to the nixt
World Cup when you'll be what thirty seven.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
I think that James, he's that in himself. He's had
a sort of another a number of different period of
time or transitions in his career. You know, he started
playing I think super every when he was seventeen. I
think I remember actually marking. He was so small, so quick,

(12:40):
and so he's so electric with the ball in hand.
As a ten, you know, more of it, more of
your game is reading. More of your focuses on reading
the game, is on calling really diligently and executing under pressure,
under fatigue. And I think that James as an athlete,

(13:02):
he's always been a gifted athlete and he always prepares
really well. So I think if his body is good eventually,
I don't think he's got any issue in calming that challenge.
In a couple of years when he's thirty seven, it's
more around is his body able to do it? But
right now, there would be no reason why he can't
add significant value to this team. And I think that's

(13:24):
both on and off the pitch. You know, he's a
veteran now, He's been been there, done it plenty of
times before, and learned the hard way at times. He
was great to see him come out and put in
a really really strong display on the weekend. You could
see his calming influence and he's a bit of a
team round certainly in the second half was outstanding. So

(13:47):
I'm really happy that that that performance, you know, is
the first one and hopefully a number of performances where
he can show that he's a genuine long term solution
at ten and if that's the case, that's great for
a strunder Rugby.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
My final question is about Joe Schmid. Can you see
has growing influence on the side.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
Yeah, no doubt. I think Joe's pragmatic way of getting
the best of his team and also instilling confidence in
the team. You can definitely see that this Austrange team
has confidence in what they're doing. They have really queer
clarity of their jobs and their and their roles and
what they're trying to do and how they're trying to

(14:31):
trying to achieve it, and that belief is coming accordingly.
So it's fantastic from a law of his perspective to
see this belief that's that's coming about through and it
hasn't been through through just magic. It's been through hard
work and that's probably more worth getting at. You can
see that this hard edge, this was his team, has

(14:51):
come through Joe and his team, the coaching team, getting
the guys to do lots of hard work and finding
their way through it. I'm really excited about the prospects.
I guess it's one thing that's slight disappointing that you
know he's leaving at the end of the end of
the year, but I think the hallmarks and the foundations

(15:12):
that he's late in this team so far are outstanding.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Indeed, Hey, great to get your analysis tonight, Sterling. Thanks
for joining us. Really appreciate your insight. That is former
Wallaby's legend. Sterling mortlock with us on Sports Talks.

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