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The story of the weekend was what happened in Johannesburg
in the early hours of yesterday morning. South Africa twenty
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two Australia nil after twenty minutes at Alice Park. The
final score Australia thirty eight is South Africa twenty two
after ly remarkable Australian rugby legend and former Wallaby's captain
Sterley Mortlock is on the show tonight with an Australian view.
I'm very keen also to know if this changes your
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thinking about either Australia or South Africa. Off the back
of that, are the Wallaby suddenly bled? Us Low Cup favorites?
Are the Springboks now are spent force. I don't think
either of those things are true, but the Southern Hemisphere
rugby landscape has tilted on its axis ever so slightly.
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I'm keen to know from you how much you think
it has tilted. Meantime, the All Blacks have moved to
Buenos Aries ahead of Sunday's second Test against Argentina. Assistant
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So the Wallabyes have opened the Rugby Championship in grand
style with a famous thirty eight twenty two win over
the world champion spring Box in Johannesburg yesterday morning. It
certainly did not start that way though.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Deod Toy slightly isolated, mcgrightwing Low lost his footing.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
His flussy and Kirct the iron sick. It's a spectacular.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Start, silky skills from Lua t Yacha.
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Jesse Kreel gets outside his man Titi staff to.
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Toyto his inside and drave yesterdays and runs off a.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Spectacular move to score his first.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Test tride and Kulisi hits away.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
That is more just relentless from siaqualisis spring box.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So twenty minutes gone and it's twenty two nil to
the spring Box. And it was still that as we
approached the half hour mark. But let's now switch commentary teams.
With the score still at twenty two nil.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Way to ikey to ou ikey tell so O'Connor, it
keeps a life, pikey tee.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Now Dylan Peach, he'll run it in for the Wallabies.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
First, there's a little something for those in gold white.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Going back, short sighted Bell holds it.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Up for Wilson.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Bell to Wilson, that is beautiful for the wall of
the lungs handle these last few moments. Surely takes the
end of step off, goes Josh a tushof surelye and
it is game on in Shoburg.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Bell with a long bol sulely he floats one to
Tom right with a little step and go Sean Wright
gets away from a coupy, Tom right.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
With Wilson on his right, Harry Wilson going for a second.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Harry Wilson, come.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
On, big Hags, go on, big hs, get it down.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
The wall of these are in shruns.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The noises come up a few decibels at Ellis Parte
O'Connor wine.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
To Doorginson he has fross and I told them with
Max dorgingson lyrical Max does it again? Is this really happening?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Doorkasin's gonna come the trail Dogas's hair he sazen words.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
Is there?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Tom Wright's going the other way?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Tom right, Tom rights down the age, Tom.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Right back in.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Jill, Oh my goodness, this is just too good.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
This is ecstacy to all of his sends.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
An ecstasy for that Australian commentator. Too brilliant stuff from
Sean Maloney. So the upshot walls. Australia scored thirty eight
unanswered points six tries, four of them converted by James
O'Connor to win thirty eight twenty two, their first Test
win in South Africa since twenty twelve, their first Test
win at Ellis Park since nineteen sixty three. Let's bring
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in Australian rugby legend, former Wallabies captain and Member of
the Order of Australia Sterling Mortlock Sterling, thanks for joining
us tonight. Where does that performance rank among the best
Wallaby's ones you've seen in recent times?
Speaker 7 (05:38):
I'd say it has to be it. You know, it's
either right up there or one of the best we've
ever had. As you just alluded to, we had won
at Altitude in Celebrigate since ninety kh three and that,
you know, is that is something that has eluded many, many,
many great Wallaby teams and certainly you know, I was
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very lucky to have played in a pretty strong era
and I had many a time at Altitude walked off
the field not just suffering a loss, but suffering a
big loss. I think. So the opportunity now for this
team is to show that the Lion Series and then
obviously this amazing win isn't a flash in the pan moment.
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It is the standard of this team and it's a
very young team is capable of moving forwards.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
How do you assess their ability to do that? To
not just win this one, and you know there's been
a lot of excitement around about it, but to back
up what happened to Ella's Park? First of all, where
are similar performance in Cape Town this coming weekend?
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean that's a huge challenge. I do recall
I think it was two thousand and eight when we
had two matches back to back over in South Africa
and we won our first one. I think it was
at Durban. I want to buy about I think it's
twelve points, and then we went to Attitude and actually
put fifty points on us. When you play a team,
you know, consecutive weeks on the trot at their home,
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you know, in their it's extremely difficult to win both
of those games or even one of those games. So
no doubt. And there's already been a narrative of Austraining
Rugby's camp that they're expecting a counter punch, and that's
rightly so you'd assume that's going to happen. They're world champions,
they're extremely proud nation. They're going to come out with
all guns blazing in Cape Town. I think the great
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thing from my perspective is that the question was asked
after a really successful British and Irish Lions campaign, but unfortunately,
you know, it was a dead rubber in the third match.
The second match was an amazing Test match. So it
was a successful campaign in regards to they put rugby
on the map in our region. A lot of people
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were talking about the Wallabies performances obviously not successful. So
then the ammunition or the inspiration to go out against
the world champions and play really really well was there.
And they delivered, and they delivered and some So now
the challenge is to do that again. It's a tough one,
you know, to play them two weeks in a row
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and get two victories in a row, that's that's extremely
extremely difficult. But you know, I guess, been twenty two
points down at altitude and this team not even not
even showing any signs of panic and the belief, you know,
it's a great foundation this team moving forwards.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
There was a school of thought, I think that the
Wallabies might be a bit fatigued after what was a
tough Lion series and then going all the way to
South Africa and playing at altitude first up. How would
they have avoided that possibility? And what stood out the
most to you about the way in which they won
the match from so far behind.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
Well, I think, you know, attitude is just one factor.
I think also typically when you play the Box at altitude,
it's at their spiritual home often so, and the crowd
gets behind them and they seem to grown another leg.
I think what was interesting on that performance was that
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you could see that the Box at times were fatigued
as well, and the game that times was on an edge.
But every time that happened, it was actually the Australians
of Worldbies that that found another gear, another way to
turn that in their favor. And a couple of tries
that happened that will almost look like the Box could
have almost scored, but we turned it around and it
was almost a fourteen point delta. So on key moments,
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this team has a belief that they can they can
find their way, and that's really really important from my perspective.
And then probably what's really interesting as well, unstructured possession
is becoming a real weapon for this wallbi Is outfit.
So that's a fantastic thing from my perspective because you know,
a lot of the game revolves around box kicking to
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deftical kicking and unstructured possession and saying that the foundations
are quite good too. So this this world is outfit,
their set people's set piece was quite was quite strong
as well. So, you know, it is really interesting to
see this team develop and blossom under Joe Smitteney's coaching.
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Teams you know, should lead your guidance. What I'm excited
about is the fact that our hell of a lot
of this team is still very very young, but the
belief is there, the belief and that that belief in
playing you know, unstructured and less scripted footy is really
awesome to watch.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
How do you think Joseph so he is going in
the thirteen jersey?
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Yeah, I think he's going well. I think thirteen. You know,
I think everyone player will probably say that their position
or their previous position is one of the hardest for
the best, but certainly from my perspective, thirteen is a
tough position because you are a linked person both in
attack and defense, and in particular defense, you've got a lot
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of decisions to make that are really impactful and me
in the game for the team. I think he's only
getting better. He hasn't played many test matches at thirteen,
and as he continues to get those opportunities to play
at thirteen, he's definitely to grow and develop. What it's
clear is he's got world class attributes, and that's whether
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you chuck him at thirteen or fullback on the wing.
But I'd love to see him get more time at thirteen.
You know, a few weeks ago I actually said that
there's no downside of him in getting exposed on the
wing end, which is what happened in my career for
a couple of years before I got the opportunity to
play consistently at thirteen. But I think he's got the
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attributes to be a world class thirteen. If he gets
opportunity to play some consistent footy there, that's great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I saw you quoted in an article on that saying
that he might benefit from some time playing on the
wing as you did, and I think you said you
hated it, but it was of benefit to you. Will
the main positives be understanding what wingers need from there thirteen?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Yeah, absolutely so. As I said before, your thurten becomes
a really important cog in your team, both attack and defense,
but in particular defense and unstructured defense. Typically you're the
main call you're the main voice in the team, and
you're a huge decision maker, a link person and if
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you end up playing wing, you get a really clear
understanding of what you need from A thirteen as far
as direction, guidance, voice, and connection, and so that when
you go for it and you know you really know
how to link and connect with you with your outside backs,
you know that you walk your back thory. So that's
something that you learn it significantly better when you're on
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the receiving it when you're on when you're actually in
the position of win. So from that's what was great
about my development. And then secondly link to that is
just those decisions that happen on the spur of the
moment in game mode where you know, if you do
choose to take blance but and shut it down in defense,
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that can be great, but you can also look you
can also look pretty pretty average when you make the
wrong decision and then you leave your winger high and dry.
He doesn't come with you. So there's a lot of
connection that you learn from being I guess in the
receiving end being a winger, but nothing but it's been
in the saddle right, So if Joseph can continue to
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be and also ike it's out the man inside of him.
This is the interesting paradigm. So he's in probably career
BEA's form, but he's playing twelve. Most of his career
he plays at thirteen. But he has done some just
really heavy lifting and some really amazing test matches performances
in the twelve Jersey of late. So if those two
guys continue to play the midfield and get a really
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formidable combination, I've got no issues with that happening consistently.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And you mentioned it being a young side, and you're right.
The out outlier, I guess is James O'Connor. He played
the whole Lady Minutes in the team Jumper. He still
looks about seventeen, but can you see him continuing to
play a role in the side Stirling through to the
nixt World Cup when he'll be what thirty seven.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I think that James, he's started himself. He's had a
sort of another a number of different period of time
or transitions in his career. You know, he started playing
I think super every when he was seventeen. I think
I remember actually marking. He was so small, so quick
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and so so electric with the ball in hand. As
a ten, you know, more of it, more of your
game is reading, more of your focuses on reading the game,
is on calling really diligently and executing under pressure, under fatigue.
And I think that James as an athlete, he's always
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been a gifted athlete and he always prepares really well.
So I think if his body's body good, eventually, I
don't think he's got any issue in calming that challenge.
In a couple of years when he's thirty seven, it's
more around is his body able to do it? But
right now there would be no reason why he can't
add significant value to this team. And I think that's
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both on and off the pitch. You know, he's a
veteran now, he's been been there, done it twenty times before,
and learned the hard way at times. He was great
to see him come out and put in a really,
really strong display on the weekend. You could see his
calming influence and he's a bit of a team round
certainly in the second half was outstanding. So I'm really
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happy that that that performance, you know, is the first
one and hopefully a number of performances where he can
show that he's a genuine long term solution at ten.
And if that's the case, that's great for a strunder Rugby.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
My final question is about Joe Schmidt. Can you see
his growing influence on the side.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Yeah, no doubt. I think Joe's pragmatic way of getting
the best of his team and also instilling confidence in
the team. You can definitely see that this Austrange team
has confidence in what they're doing. They have really queer
clarity of their jobs and their and their roles and
what they're trying to do and how they're trying to
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trying to achieve it, and that belief is coming accordingly.
So it's fantastic from a from a law of his
perspective to see this belief that's that's coming about through
and it hasn't been through through just magic. It's been
through hard work, and that's probably more more worth getting at.
You can see that this hard edge, this was his team,
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has come through Joe and his team, his coaching team,
you know, getting the guys to do lots of hard
work and finding their way through it. I'm really excited
about the prospects. I guess it's one thing that's slight
disappointing is that you know he's leaving at the end
of the end of the year. But I think the
hallmarks and the foundations that these labor the fans so
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far outstanding.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Indeed, hey, great to get your analysis tonight, Sterling, thanks
for joining us. Really appreciate your insight. That is our
former Wallabies legend Sterling Mortlock with us on Sports Talk
seven twenty four, Very keen tear from you now, very
keen oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty with the
answer to my main question, which is this, does this
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change your mind about either Australia or South Africa? Does
this performance by Australia off the back of nearly beating
the Lions in Tests two and actually beating them in
Test three make you worry about the Wallabies and our
stranglehold on the Bleedisloe carp Have they gone up a
level and are actually now a dangerous proposition? The type
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of Australian side that in the mid to late nineties
and into the two thousands used to beat us as
often as we beat them, and South Africa, this juggernaut,
this bohemo back to back World Cup winners, number one
side in the world up until yesterday, coming here next
month to take the Eden Park record and win another
Rugby Championship are they actually South Africa a myth, an aging, creaking, faltering,
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fading force. As I said at the start of the show,
I don't think we can accurately judge either side on
the strength of just one test. We're going to need
a bigger sample size. At the very least, we need
to see what happens in Cape Town and the second
Test this coming Sunday. If Australia win that match, then
we can start to assume that this wasn't just a blip,
not an aberration, not a flash in the pan, not
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just a very good day for Australia combined with a
very bad one for South Africa. Instead, we could perhaps
start looking at it as the start of a trend.
Are changing of the guard I returned to the glory
days for Australia and the end of an era for
the spring Box. How do you assess it?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty hurry.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (19:10):
Great, legion? Uh play.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Is there a sorry? Sorry Murray, you're just breaking up.
There is a is a Is there a position that
who hasn't played? I think he's played? Yeah, yeah, I
think he well, he certainly played it in both midfield positions.
He was mainly a third am he played on the wing.
I don't I think he probably played at fullback. Maybe
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half back in first five might be the only ones.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
I think maybe you.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
Should be listening in.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Indeed, Murray, I'm just going to put your back on
hold because we are just not quite getting you with
a great connection. Mat I do want to chat to you,
see if Andy can get you in a better place
in your house so we can hear you better.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Kevin high he could.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Are you good?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Kevin?
Speaker 12 (20:05):
Three weeks Holy Stephen Bradbury, what a performance.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That game was?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Did you see it coming?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (20:14):
Because I was talking to my South African mates earlier
in the week where I was expecting a absolute spring walkover,
and I and all my South African mates at work
and then it went egg enough and bad bray on
our faith.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I don't think there was anybody though, Kevin. Could you
find anybody, Let's be honest, who thought that the well,
first of all, who thought that the Wallabies were going
to win? And second of all, when they were twenty
two nil down gave them any chance of saving face,
let alone winning the game.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
And as I said, that was that was four o'clock
in the morning. I couldn't sleep on yesterday's so because
there was normally normally in my stay in mind would
be switching off twenty two nil. The spring box was
going to absolutely walk over them, and said mc murnard.
Holy Stephen Bradbury, As I said earlier, I got myself
and my almost South African mates end up with bry
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on our face. But hey, at the end of the day,
this is not I don't think these Aussies. Don't underestimate them.
Don't unrestimate the Southificans at the it's on the early
days in the Rugby Championship. Hey, also, don't forget I'm
not able to look at the Argentine team. I'm not
eve going to treat any of them like mugs. If
any of us, all black fans openly treat treat any
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of our opposition like mugs, they don't look like mugs.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh, Kevin, totally right, And that's the beauty of it.
Right after one game, all four teams are good. You know,
there's when South Abery gave them become a bad team overnight.
It's one game and you can absolutely expect a reaction
in Cape Town because there's absolutely no way they want
to go down there and have the same thing happen again.
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The Aussies will be cocker hoop. They'll hear down to
Cape Town with a spring in their step thinking we
might not just win one match in South Africa, but two.
They haven't won there since twenty twelve, and they might
win twice in two weeks. Murray, we got you back.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
Ye oh gosh, I was for three.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, it's a long time ago, Murray, A long time ago. Look,
stealing said, yeah, stealing said. A lot of good Australian
teams have gone to Ellis Park in the last six
decades and none of them have won.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
That's right, your previous callers right as well. I mean
Argentina they're not because they're not going to be bad
next week either, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
No, no, no, no, no, don't take half. But yeah,
they'll take hat, they'll take heart from yesterday, they'll take
half from the twenty minutes just after halftime. I'm sure, totally, totally.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
We're a bit time.
Speaker 10 (22:48):
We've got a couple of injuries as well. It's like, oh,
what a great championship. But getting back to Australia. I
do think that's one of the great matches. It's differently
the matches history so far. I mean, it's not like that.
I don't know. There was a politico cut Nations that
twenty years ago now or something. It was we were
of them, they were cunning ours, we came and it
was it was just a victory at the death for Australia.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
I believe there was one.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
There was also that one that we won in two thousands.
We went twenty one mil up, they came back to
twenty one all we ended up winning at thirty nine
to thirty five, with Jonas scoring in the left wing
corner in front of a hundred thousand people at the MCG.
Speaker 10 (23:26):
That's right, But it's not like a batch where Wales
got newly scored and then they thought, you know, we
caught up to them and beat them at the death
or something. Australia came back against South Africa, who are
a very good team and didn't just clinch the death.
They won emphatically. That's the difference. And the difference I
think was the lines tour. Their warm up there everyth
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is connected, right, so their warm up was basically perfect.
The place South Africa they had hard mansions and then
it's just like a World Cup. You need mixture of
young and old to win. And James O'Connor was the
old calm head.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It was great game, Yeah, Murray, it was. I'm glad
we got you back on a decent signal.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Thanks for holding on through through Stirling as well. I
know you're sat there listening and we appreciate you doing so.
Hulf past seven Jeff, Steve, please hold, we're talking the
Wallabies in South Africa and weather. Yesterday morning. The eighty
minutes at Alice Park changed your thinking about either side
back in a moment on Sports Talk.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Forget the refs call.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
You make a call on.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Talks seven thirty four, Get a Steve. You're worried about
the Wallabies now.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
Hey, Piney, Yeah, I think it's good. I think that
when they did that second Test against the Lions, I
think they really grew some some face. I think as well. Yeah,
but I think well a lot of people aren't really
sort of thinking about though too. Is that you know,
they've been playing in the Super Rugby and it's a
different type of rugby and I think that that was
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really showing up by the South Africans because they haven't
been on our sea for rugby for two years, three years,
and I think that's made a very big difference the
way you play forty.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I hadn't even thought actually I hadn't even thought
of that angle, Steve. But you're right. You think about
the Australian tries and there's a lot of expensive play
in quick guys like Jorgensen, like Tom Wright, and even
so you're coming through the middle. That's a really good point.
I hadn't I hadn't even considered that, But you're right.
So maybe and usually it's the other way, isn't it.
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People say, oh, you know, you can't just have this
razzle dazzle, that's not going to win your test matches. Well,
it won of a test match, Joe, But didn't it exactly?
Speaker 13 (25:43):
I have to I have to admit, though, I feel
of it bad because I woke up for the game
and and of course they're up twenty two and now
when I was like, oh, begger, this is going to
get back to sleep, the only one. Oh and then
I wake up in the morning and saw the score,
but I thought it was actually still the South Africans.
Me and He goes, did you see the Ausies feat
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the Southern Isn't that?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
They didn't?
Speaker 13 (26:06):
And then they had a look and it went well,
so I had to watch it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh so good on you, mate, A great point, well made?
Yeah made. I was the same. I kind of woke up.
I don't sit in the larm, but if I wake up,
I get up. And I looked at it and I
was exactly the same. I think it was. It was
about seventeen mill or something at all that I'm not
getting up for this, and I was the same when
I saw it in the morning, goes, oh, what do
you mean? They can't be right? Thanks for your call, mate, Jonathan.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
I good evening, Jason. Yeah, that was when I heard
the results Sunday morning. I was really pleased for Australia
and basically it was good to see that African's whooped.
So they are South Africa are not invincible. I was
beginning to fear them. I was beginning to think, oh
my gosh, how are we going about? How who's going
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to take the World Cup off them? But I think
with that, yeah they do. I think of South Africa, well,
hopefully they do it and we'll continue to have a
kink in their armor. But yeah, I was really pleased
for me. It was the sporting highlight of this weekend.
Great to see the All Blacks win, of course, and
they went well. I know people are looking at the
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things that went wrong, but let's you know what did
they score four tries in the first half, two in
the seconds at six. So now I I thinckon the
All Backs went well. Argentina are now a different side
than what they used to be decades ago. They are
now a world force in rugby as as I'm concerned.
And I think the other thing too, which I want
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to say, is that New Zealand, well, the world wants
well we we and the world wants and needs Australia
to be strong in rugby because it doesn't do anyone
any good, you know, won't get the All Blacks competition
that they need. And I think Australia are coming good
and it's going to be a very interesting Nations Championship
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and a very interesting legislay series, yeah, and an interesting
walk up to I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised and
and I wouldn't even be disappointed if the Australians took
it back because they have had an awfully long drought.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
They have what's your best scuss? Yeah, what's your best? Cause? Jonathan?
About what will happen in Cape Town a week from now,
I don't know, a huge part of me thinks, Okay,
South Africa will will bounce back. They will, we will
get a reaction from them.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Probably will. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just just thinking they poked
the beer, yes and yeah, and then oh my gosh,
what have they done? They basically they've released they probably
unleashed the beast now and it could be and probably
not going to do It's probably not going to fare
well for the all backs too. Yeah, I think, like
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a lot of people, I think it's going to be
one one. I'd love a to mil but to us, yeah,
one one. And and of course South Africa they they
do what every other team in the world road does.
They lift themselves for the orbacks sets. You know, when
the plane in Australia, they can probably think, oh well
that's but imagine the if they lost like ves, you know,
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they would be absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
They just pillar rid. Yeah, they would be they would
be yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12 (29:23):
I hope.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
I just I'm winingly out of Australia. Have then done
to Africa a fader.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, it makes it, but it makes it such a
fascinating rugby landscape. You're right, we want Australia to be good.
We don't want when the World Cup rolls around in
two years for them to be a bit of a
walkover and not even get out of the pome. Yeah,
I agree, I agree, mate, great to check Jonathan for
some points well made. Thanks indeed for calling through, Steve.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
Mate, you're not toy mate, It's been a long time
they talk. Always good to talk.
Speaker 11 (29:59):
To you, mate.
Speaker 9 (29:59):
I reckon we should start with the public service, not
as though, and maybe somebody should go and do a
wealthy chick on David Kim easy to say how he's.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Going, Yes he has. He has been very outspoken Steve.
Hasn't he about Joe Schmidt's shortcomings?
Speaker 12 (30:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Absolutely, but I kind of I hope he thinks Lauren
hard about it right now. I've got to say that's
probably the most extraordinary game of rugby I've probably seen
since the Woman's World Cup final, because I thought that
was quite extraordinary as well in all the circumstances in
and around it, but just for pure to entertainment, I
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got up and watched the game, and the box started
so well as your previous cause said, I was thinking
about maybe listen, I'll just be for some reason, I
thought to myself, and what was in the back of
my mind was, okay, the spring box of playing this
open style, and I kind of looked at their bench
and I thought, man, they've got some really big guys.
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Come on, and I've got to be honest with you.
Go back and look at a lot of video, but
is that lasteen minutes? Tell them some of those big guys.
And there was a replacement partier that came on and
I swear, and I'm not trying to beat derogatory here,
but he looked more like a club prop than an
international athletic prop. And a lot of those guys, I
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think South African once they had to chase that game,
and when they turned it over, I just reckon they
had nothing to get plenty.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah and sterilling Morel's said an interesting thing which you
don't even think about, but it's true. The altitudes is
the same for both sides. I know South Africans are
more used to it because they play at altitude more often,
but it still burns your lungs. It still thins your blood.
So yeah, I look, I've had a number of messages
on text here tonight and over the weekend or yesterday,
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Steve saying that the South Africans looked tired, they looked fatigued,
even the ones who, as you say, came off the
bench to add their fresh energy.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
Yeah, because that's your bomb squad, and they're coming on thinking, Yeah,
we're going to scrum these guys out to the ground.
We're going to be a lot of scrums. We're going
to keep it tipe, we're going to pull penalties. I
suspect they'll go back to that DNA in cat down
on Saturday. That's that's what I'm That's what I suspect
they'll do. And I and I think you'll find that
their press conference you could see RUSSI. He probably took
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a lot of the blame. They probably tried a lot
of this against the Italian side and the Georgian side.
Those were strong sides that they played. And I don't
think looking at that game plan, did the mini favors.
I just want to get a quick one with the
all blacks and they got some other callers behind.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No go for us, Dave.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
I just hope with the All Blacks we've actually got
a strength. I know we play a wide game, but man,
we've got a hic of a strength in our forwards
at the moment. I love the fact that when when
basically we got under a little bit of pressure, we
went back to playing tipe, we went back to the
line out drive. It's not pretty, but goddamn it's affective.
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And I just like the fact that I think sometimes
we don't have to try and play too much rugby,
because that's where all the mistakes were coming from Pintie,
when we were trying to play a lot of a
lot of rugby and things just weren't connecting. And when
you do that, you leave ball on the ground, you
turn ball over, and you give the opposition time for
(33:23):
field position. But I think if you've got a dominant pack,
you're winning your line out. I think, as many of
you know, Murray Geeker once said, I think you've got
to learn earn the right to go widen. If you're
doing it up front, I think you've got to pull
a pull a few players in. I think the spring
Box are going to be a heck of a battle
over here. Because you know, nighttime Eden Park, it's pretty
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dewy over here, so you're handling is going to have
to be spot on. But man, what a way to
start this rugby championship here. Ize that after the second
round every team could be won when one bloss I
hope not.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, but you're right it could easily happen, Steve, It
could easily happen. And you're right about the you know,
the set piece for your blacks yesterday terrific. They didn't
lose the line out and I think one pretty much
all these crumbs, so yeah, it'd be very happy Jason, Ryan.
But you're right there's more than one way to win
a Test match and and sometimes keeping it tight, you know,
gives you the best chance in certain situations. We all
love flowing running rugby, don't we. Of course we do,
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but there's more than one, more than one way to
win a Test match.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Yeah too, good mate, love your.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Work mate, Good on your Dave. Thanks for calling mate,
Always great to hear your voice, Jeff, thanks for holding.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
That's okay, mate, no problem. I first of all, congrat
relations to Australia with the fantastic either South Africa. I
just couldn't believe it. I was talking to my son
and Brisbane and I said to him, well, he said,
I couldn't believe it. Dad, he said, unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
I thought that.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
I thought the fitness and then my mentor and my
mentum of the game was certainly for Australia. I think
the South Africans looked tired. They looked as though they
were not physically over foot or something. I don't know.
(35:14):
They just didn't play. And I think when they got
when it was twenty two, no, I think they thought
they were going to wrap the game up. Well they
got wrapped up all right and sped out all rightly.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So I think, Jeff, you know, if you're twenty two
mil up against the team that everybody thinks you're going
to beat, you're thinking, okay, hey it's going to script.
It's going to plan. But good good on the Australians,
you know, because you could easily write if you're the Australians,
because easily say, hey, this is going to script. These
guys are going to smash this. Can we just get
out of here? But men to turn it a raidscal
thirty had an answer was terrific from them yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
But it was a determination of the Australians the way
they got back into it. They just didn't give up
and they just broke broke South Africa down. I don't
know if it's going to be the same on the
next game. I'd say it was a wake up call
for South Africa and things could be a little bit
different than the next game. But I certainly home. I
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think that's in a fortnight. I think I hope Australia
beats them again and that'll really tomoralize the spring box.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Indeed, Jeff, Indeed, yes, this coming weekend, so you don't
have to wait very long this coming Sunday morning. I
appreciate you call, Jeff. I appreciate all your calls. Lots
of good chat about the Wallabies that doesn't even very often.
But where will they be in the power rankings? The Wallabies?
Where will the spring Box be? We'll find out in
a moment.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Power Rankings, say on Monday nights, we rate the weekend
Piney's Power Rankings, rating the best, the worst and in between.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Bits from the Sporting Weekend. Let's go tea in the
spring box throwing away a twenty two mil lead to
lose to the Wallabes thirty eight twenty two, summed up
perfectly by coach Rassy Erasmus afterwards.
Speaker 12 (37:08):
And I can buttet us up to sound cool and respectful,
which really dogshit on the day.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Don't count against them bouncing back though in style this
weekend in Cape Town nine. Our tab winner on Saturday
Jason who passed up the chance to line his pockets
from that very game, and your long shot today is
called the James O'Connor was the answer all along Special
Australia the Wallabies to beat South Africa thirteen plus at
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Alice Park. It's paying eighteen dollars you'd collect two thy
five hundred and fifty.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Well, much as I'd like the Wallabies to win, I
can't see them doing it by thirteen.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
So he didn't pick that. He was still a winner though,
picking Sunderland to beat west Ham sat teenage dance sensation
Luke Littler at eight back to back World Series titles
after winning the New Zealand Dance Masters in Auckland.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Is this the movement? It is the movement? Fifty five.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
He putscellent show what it before?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
The blue eight next to four the win over World
number one Luke Humphreys in the finals.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Seven.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
The Tall Blacks are falling just short of the podium
at Basketball's Asia Cup, eventually claiming fourth spot after an
admirable campaign which included, of course, their win from twenty
one points down in the quarterfinal against Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
An incredible win for the Toll Blacks. They put it
into context.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
They are marching on to the semifinals and incredible come
from behind win for.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
New Zealand, and they looked dead in.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
The water losses to China in the semi and then
to Iran this morning in the playoff for Bronze six.
Taranaki are at six, putting Auckland to the sword in
their NPC match at eden Park.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Wals Heads.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
And it's based inside that twenty two waltas hands is
gonna go all the way it's had I I'm gonna
score a seventh dry swats the conversion in fifty up
for Taranaki.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Three wins from three for the Amber and Blacks, who
are our early NPC table toppers. Five into the top
half where we find the All Blacks sabonas point win
to start the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
The All Blacks go back to number one in the
world for the first time since November twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Forty one twenty four six strides to three. Still a
few work on sty were ahead of the second Test
in Argentina this coming weekend. Sure the Warriors are at four.
It was not pretty, but winning ugly is just fine
at this stage of the season.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Last time, who you'd have to think they're slow coming across.
There's a dot con dorrit headed day of a full
time and the.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Warriors survive hair in Auckland four take points to.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Ten, back into the top four, with their playoff destiny
now back in their own hands. Free high jumper Hamish
curves at three victory at the latest Diamond League events
in Poland's and.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
He goes clear at two thirty three.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Well, he doesn't win just by one clear height that
would have been done by two thirty that's third time clearance.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
He wins by two.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Clear heights at a season's best of two meters thirty
three two. Chris Wood is at two, back up and
running in the Premier League with a double on opening day.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Jumping wis wood Wo's there again lifts off here once
again and Chris Wood this year's top scorer. He's up
and running once again.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Chris Woods gone away here but beyond the goalkeeper.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Chris Wood scores again.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Chris Wood now has ninety one ninety one Premier League
goals one for the first time. The Wallabies take top
spot in Piney's Power Rankings, coming back from twenty two
nil down to beat the spring Box at Ellis Park
for the first time in over six decades.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Last hour and intercept it right has got one to beat.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
He bits for themself and fort Starner will not catch him,
and that if it will be that.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I'm not sure I like their Wallabies being at number one,
but I kind of had to put them there really.
Speaker 14 (41:27):
Not only did Jason not take that bit, both you
and Jason laughed at the notion. Laughed, I don't have
the time to play the audio for you now, Piney,
but if you go back zidby week on demand. They
laughed at the notion and could have been two and
a half grand richer by shows Manua staked though, because
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they avoided a.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Spot on the Power rankings.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
They did. Indeed, they are returned next Monday night, five
and a half to eight. Let's us tunnel done three
to eight Marcus Lush after eight huge things. To any
McDonald for producing the show. Thanks week. We will see
you on Weekend Sport this coming Saturday from midday.
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