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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Hello, Dakonning, Welcome it some Monday night sports talk on
News Talk said be November three, Happy thirtieth birthday to
Stacy Walker. I'm Jason Pine Show producer and millicic. We're
talking sport with you until eight. Just one story dominating
the sporting landscape today, Dave Noline Todd her this morning
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spoke for the first time since being stood down and
then reinstated as Silver Fern's head coach. She gave her
first interview to Mike Hosking here on News Talk. Sa'd
be this morning, but unfortunately it has thrown up just
as many new questions as it has provided answers. So
tonight let us if we can try to unpack this together.
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Dame Nolene was on with Mike what twelve hours ago.
That's twelve hours for you to have thought this over,
to have ruminated upon it, to listen or read a
range of views and opinions and formed your own ones
as well. Here is your chance to give voice to
those opinions. We are going to open the lines immediately.
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of the main points for you shortly, and then I
warmly welcome your reaction to what has played out in
public today as opposed to privately behind closed doors for
the last two months. Also, tonight tomorrow is the first
Tuesday in November, which means the Melbourne Cup is on
at Flemington just after five o'clock tomorrow afternoon, New Zealand
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Speaker 2 (02:33):
There's only been one story around today for the first
time since being stood down and then reinstated as Silver
Fern's head coach, Dame Nolean Todoa spoke publicly. She did
so on the Mike Hosking Breakfast. So my cast, what
the allegations against Dame Nolean.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Were, in real simple terms, I don't know, and I
can't tell you, and that's that's my truth. I'm not
sort of going on the lines. I actually don't know,
but I can tell you that I am one hundred
percent open. It's my one I wonder if I'm going
to be honest of listening to players, listening to anybody
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as to what concerns they have, and then looking for
solutions to make it better. So that's just what I
do and how I do it, and I haven't stopped
that at all, and over my twenty five years, that's
what I'm synonymous with in regards to the culture and
the environment that I build. So that's that's all I
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can say in that matter. But the question that you've asked,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So what was she stood down for?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
My truth is I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So then transpired that there had been no investigation into
the alleged issues in the silver Fern's high performance environment.
So then Mike asked, so, just for clarity's sake, you
were never told why you were being stood down and
there was no investigation, correct now, just on that. We
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woke to Players Association boss Steph Bond on Sunday, October
the fifth, so about a month ago when this was
playing out, and she talked about players being spoken to
to have to listen to this. Now, please excuse the
airport noise. Airport noise in the background of this.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
There is no doubt that we would have hoped initially
that more players were involved in the process and.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
That more players were spoken to it.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
But that is NEBLI New Zealand's.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Process to run and that was not how it was
played out.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Just expand on that for us. Then they're just taking
just a small portion of player views into their thinking here.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No sorry. Initially, as part of the initial arm review,
our position was that they should have taken.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
The view of every player and that's how the reviews
should have played out. Now every player has.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Had the opportunity to have their opinion and you taken
forward by Netwin Zeland.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So if talking to every player isn't an investigation, then
what is it? What is an investigation? What is a review?
And have we now just got into a battle of
semantics and descriptions and what on earth have they been
doing for two months? And then it got really silly
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as Dave Nolen was answering another question from Mike.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Now I've been told, actually by my mind, I could
you stop saying that you don't know?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
In the last couple of hours, Dave Nolen Toddua has
issued a statement. Now It reads, I was not clear
enough that I was involved in the review process. A
summary of the concerns that the players raised with netballne
New Zealand through the Players Association was shared with me,
which I responded to as part of the process. It
goes on to say the review did not get into
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specific details or allegations in a way that could identify
individual players. So those are the details I don't have.
Dave Nolen goes on to say, I can appreciate why
anonymity is important, but I did find that difficult. My
focus now is on putting in place the great changes
we need to strengthen the Silver Fern's high performance environment
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and get back to doing what I love coaching. That's
the end of Dame Nolean's statement, this just gets worse
and worse and worse. We are now at the point
where someone at Netball New Zealand or the Players Association
or both has heard Dame Nolean's comments this morning when
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she said she didn't know what the allegations were, and
love clap back saying that she did. And now she's
had to issue this clarification. What an utter, utter, utter shambles.
I mean, grow up, be adults, sit down with one another,
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look each other in the eye, and talk about the concerns.
At the very base level of human decency, respect, integrity,
common sense, you simply cannot stand somebody down, especially if
they're in a high profile job, and not tell them
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the full extent of the reasons why. Employment expert Max
Whitehead told Heather Duplicy Allen exactly that this afternoon.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
The employer has an obligation on good faith and in
natural justice to provide her with a name and what
the allegations are.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So here is where I think we are. Most of
us simply cannot get our head around what has gone
on here. We can all imagine a situation where we
are called into a meeting by our boss and told
that our employment is at risk, and in that situation,
basic common sense demands that we would have every right
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to be told why we are sitting in that room.
If there are allegations against Dame Noling totoa, tell her
what they are and then address those concerns. They are
all adults, they can all handle the truth, uncomfortable as
that truth may be, and to be brutally frank. If
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someone has made allegations and doesn't want their identity revealed
to the person who those allegations are aimed at, if
they don't have the courage and the faith in their
own convictions to stand in front of them and own
those views, if they're not brave enough to reveal themselves,
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then I'm not sure that's the type of character trait
I want in a player who's wearing the silver fern
and representing us on the netball court. And just before
we take some calls and hear your views. Netball New
Zealand are the recipient of taxpayers money through high performance
Sport New Zealand and so they have to be held accountable.
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That is why we're talking about it. That is why
it's our business. This is an operational matter and the CEO,
Jenny Wiley, needs to be under deep scrutiny about what's
played out here because it will go down without a
doubt as one of the most shambolic chapters in sports
administration in this country. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty
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ten eighty is our number. You can send your text
messages to nine two nine to two. Would love to
get your views. You've had the chance to think about
it all day. Give voice to your opinions if you
so choose. Hello, Josh, yeah, Hey.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
Darcy Yeah, no, none, no, no more Clara, are we
it's yeah, it's said. I mean one one guy pointed
out today on talkback that the due process is meant
to be if you're under investigation, you're meant to be
served some sort of paperwork before you are asked to
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stand down. So you know that didn't happen. Then there
was an investigation after she was stood down or during
her being stood down. The whole thing. It's non transparent.
There's no it's actually quite bizarre. It's just a hearsay
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amounted to a complaint, and you know, where's the official
complaint And they didn't follow that due process. The lawyer
would have told her that. The lawyer would have said, no,
you didn't. You didn't have to stand down without the
written confirmation of an actual complaint.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Josh, right. Yeah, I'm just I'm just sick of everybody
hiding behind lawyers and legal speak. And you know, I'm
going to let you go on, Josh, but I'm just
at the point now, where can we all just have
some common sense here? Can we be at us around
a table.
Speaker 8 (11:07):
You know, Darcie. Unfortunately it's a sad indictment on where
we are with employment law and particularly government funded agencies,
where the powers that be have access to substantial legal representation,
why the employee may not in fact have the same access.
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So what you know, Noleane was right. I mean, as
soon as she got her lawer involved, she knew she's
in the right, she knew she'd done. There was nothing
to hide, there was She could be as transparent as
she wanted to be. It wasn't going to stop the process.
But those employers, they have to do things correctly. I mean,
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there's a possible angle of defamation if they get it wrong.
The other thing I want to mention quickly, Darcy, I'll
be real quick, and that is if there's a disagreement
within managers and men. So we'll say the coach hypothetically,
if she had a disagreement with the CEO, they didn't
see eye to eye philosophically on something, whether it was
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you know, player eligibility as an example. Now she had
a wrong angle according to somebody else, then perhaps that
could have been a motivation for trying to flicker off,
Perhaps you know, an element of control.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, potentially, josh On, need to move because I've got
some other calls to get to made. But thanks for
kicking off the conversation. I'm at the point now, as
I say, where the deepest frustration for me is that
they haven't been able to sort this out like adults,
they haven't been able to face up to uncomfortable truths.
Two uncomfortable situations. Uncomfortable situations happen all the time in
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every workplace. There is the potential for disagreement, for conflict,
for people not to agree with the way their boss
runs things, for there to be a feeling that they
are being treated unfairly. And in a good, well functioning workplace,
there are systems in place where discussion can be had
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to iron those things out. And I'm almost certain that
one of the things that's required when things are being
ironed out efficiently is full disclosure. Is everybody involved in
the situation knowing what the issues are. An employee able
to come to their boss, bringing a representative if they like,
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from their you know, in this case, the players association
and sitting across the table from that person and outlining
the concerns being heard, and then giving the boss or
in this situation, the coach the opportunity to address those concerns.
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Dame Nolen said herself, she prides herself on listening to
her players. Why has that not been possible? And as
I say, if Dame Nolen hasn't been told the nature
of the allegations for the last two months, the full
nature of them, then what on earth have they been doing? John?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Hi, matey, how are you doing?
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Bud?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
John, that's the story. Hey, Look, I agree with what
you just said there. And but the problem, as I said,
is that the chairmen and the chief executive a slight
a bit deluded because as I understand it, and I
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listened to them last week, they have said they wouldn't
change anything, and how they have gone about things, and
you know, I just find the extraordinary that they have said, oh, well, actually,
you know, we did what we felt was the right
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thing to do. And so if that's their thinking, then
that's why we are where we are now, because that
to me is just dumb. You know, I'm just dumbfounded
that they could possibly think that, you know, that they
could think that this is this process has actually you
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know been actually okay.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, no time, You're right. It's laughable, it's laughable. It's
a complete failure to read the room and to say,
you know what, we haven't done a really good job here.
Down the treat they may do that, down the trick
they may do, but it's as clear as the nose
on our faces, mate, that this hasn't been handled well.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Oh absolutely. And you know, but to say that they
think that they've actually the process has been okay means,
as you just say, they haven't read the room, that
they are actually deluded. And I just can't see if
Netburne news Zaland want to change that they can continue
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with these two individuals, you know, and just quickly. The
second point I would make is that you know, you
sort of got the measure of Dame Nolene when she said,
you know, she didn't want to pursue legal avenues because
of the finances. If Netburne News Island, I would have thought,
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you know, she would have a field day if she
got her voys involved. And you know, I just I
was really impressed with what she said there, because you know,
it shows you just the measure of the individual.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I agreet John, Thanks mate, thanks for your contribution
texture here. I just want to what the something does
this personal employment dilemma have anything to do with this
radio station. Why don't we hear of NZME contracts and
employment details. Why aren't you discussing those? Well, there's one
simple reason is that the last time I checked, we
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were not funded by the taxpayer. This is an employment matter, yes,
but it's an employment matter with two distinct differences. It's
high profile. Dave Noline Todua is high profile. The dame
at the front of her name is a clue there.
And secondly, they are funded. The high performance element of
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Netball New Zealand is funded by taxpayer dollars, so they
need to be held to account, just as anybody using
taxpayers dollars needs to be held to account. Now, look,
I want to make it clear as well, I'm not
actually that interested in hearing what the allegations are. I
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don't really have any deep interest in what the allegations are.
But Dame Nolene Toduin deserves to know what they are.
She deserves to know. Whether we find out or not
is really neither here nor there. It's just the way
that she has been treated the way any normal person
should expect to be treated in an employment situation where
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their job is on the line. That is just basic
human decency. In any organization, taxpayer funded or not, there's
a way to treat people, and there's been a failure
in the treatment of Dame Nolen Todua seven twenty five.
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Back in a moment, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
No need for be DMO.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
hundred eighty eight News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Seven twenty eight four Border calls. Let's get back to
the might, Tim.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
I'm a knowing supportive but put that aside and interest
to get everything. They sacked the tower on the council.
The government put twenty six million dollars of our money
into an organization whose governance is so incomprehensibly incompetent. You've
got winner are who's claims to be a director for
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god's say, the public director of public companies who's condoning
this stage. You've got their management that can't hold on
to a sponsor. The game's been going back with the years.
It's time the government simply said we will not forge
you any more money.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I think the tower. We will appoint somebody.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
To oversee a transition into a governance system that's for
some transparency. They get often our taxpayer and the poor
woman who's gave the games of all these young bills
who used to aspire to greatness in its day, and
see if we can get this back on track. That
mob has got no chance, are bearing this mess and
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thinking they can go forward. They have no right to
spend our money. And it should be whipdeld until proper
governments with vied councils with taken away. You devour all
those people we've taken over, and they are so incomfident
and so far off, they should just say, unfortunately, with
your dice you'll think you're wonderful. Anybody else we cannot
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be conscious account to our taxpayers with conduct like this,
and unfortunately others occasion a whole lot of you, you'll have
to go and we'll have to refresh with competent people
or a commissioner who will help build a compitent team
to get this game back on the road.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
The crazy thing, The crazy thing is that we're even
having this conversation, that we're even at the point now
where we're talking, you know about pretty drastic courses of action,
you know, bringing in somebody to oversee netball because they've
made such a pig's here of this whole thing. So
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I to address a couple of these texts coming through,
As this text says, who has employed hundreds of employees
over the years, I would never legally be able to
discuss a personal employment contract in public. No, But the
moment you accept taxpayer dollars, you have an obligation. You
have an obligation to be accountable as an organization that
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does things in a satisfactory, sensible fashion. As I said before,
I'm not actually that concerned or I'm not even really
curious about what the situations are. But back to your text,
as someone who's employed hundreds of employees over the years.
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I'd be very interested to know whether if you got
into a situation where you had to stand somebody down
or bring them into an employment situation, that you didn't
give them full disclosure. I'm reasonably sure that unemployment situations,
responsible employers have an obligation to do that. We heard
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from our lawyer with Heather duplicy Ellen earlier, Max Whitehead.
He said exactly that.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
The employer has an obligation on good faith and a
natural justice to provide her with a name and what
the allegations are.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Not us, they don't really have to tell us, although
that would be nice, you know, at least keep us
in the picture. But really, at the risk of repeating
myself here, the biggest failing here is a failure to
tell Dame no Lean what the allegations are, and really,
as I've said before, a failure of character too from
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those who have made these allegations and are not willing
to own those allegations.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Charie Hi, Hi, Yeah, isn't it. It's something about them
that comes out and it's just like wow, I mean,
you know, from the netball community, it's just I can't
believe this. It just keeps going on and on. Look,
the bigger person here is Noline. That's what all I see.
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She's willing to make the sacrifice is day out. If
they're not prepared, no, get rid of them our regions.
We have to speak up nickballers. If you don't want
them in.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
There, We have to speak up now because this whole
thing is a shambles from this to their staff problems
that you just keep getting reports about everything. So Netballer's
out there if we don't want them, and we have
to speak up now. We have to do it because
this is just making our sport look like a joke
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every day and we need to speak up netballers. We
need to do it. Get to your regions, get them out,
get them out.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Thank you for your Coltarie. And again the great pity
is that the sport which has been at the heart
of our sports viewing, our sports consciousness for decades and decades,
and which has provided us with some absolutely magnificent moments,
is being dragged into this. If you say netball on
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the street now to somebody, the first thing they think
about is this not a World Cup win or even
you know, to be honest, the Constellation Cup series was
a very pleasant distraction from all of this, but the
reputational damage is significant. Thank you, Shari, Trevor hollo matey,
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I'm good TV, thank you.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
But I'm just coming from a slightly different point of view.
I mean, you know, I one wasn't going to understand Noline,
and even everybody loves her, she just hasn't got an
unquivable right to be the coach of the Silver Ferns.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
No, and no she doesn't.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
And I tend.
Speaker 11 (25:08):
Something if I had to make a decision, I cannot believe.
I mean, I remember their first meeting. She said it
was she didn't it said it was a it was
a ten hour meeting, and then they had three or
four weeks of a vigorous discussions. And I don't believe
that Nolan or her lawyers weren't told what the problem was.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I can she said, she said they she said they weren't.
She's a statement, yes, you know, she said that she
was not told the full nature. And and thatt Born
New Zealand have not refuted that, Trevor, they have not
refuted it. In fact, they've confirmed it, mate. They've confirmed
it by saying that the reason they haven't is because
it would jeopardize the anonymity of those who have made
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the allegation. All of it a fact, it's an opinion,
it's a fact.
Speaker 11 (25:57):
Yeah no, No, all us continued talking from people who
in the know and the general public about it was
clear unhappiness as all people. I mean, we don't know.
I mean, so that means everybody you know who gives
her opinion on her inside the netball thing and general
public have said that it's player and player unrest.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
They said, it's concerns. They said, it's concerns with the
high performance environment.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Oh well, that's right. So if you're working, you know, we
can work out what we're saying. Then look, you know,
I don't even know why Noley is just worrying and
really worrying about it, you know what I mean, I mean,
I know why.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You don't know why she is worrying about the reputational
damage that this is doing and that she hasn't been
given the reasons why she has been stood down. What
if someone, Trevor, what if someone said, what if someone
was slagging you and you're not as high profile as
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Dame Noline, but what if someone was slagging you off
around town and your boss said to you, and your
boss said to you. Look, Trevor, I'm going to have
to stand you down for a while. Mate. We've had
some allegations. I know, the first thing you'd say, what
are they now?
Speaker 11 (27:11):
That's right, pointy, But you're doing that something different than me.
Why does she want to continue to be the coach?
Take in the court, sue them for inflammatory talk. Just
sue them. I just don't understand why her first and
almost thinks that she has the right because she loves
it to be the coach of the full Silver Ferns.
I mean, taken taken to court. Sue them, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, Well she's already said that she doesn't want to
do that because well she's got the game at the
center of her consciousness. Always good having a robust discussion
with you, mate, But she I think she just loves
the job. I think she just loves the job. You're
right that that I think is the is the the
view that a lot of people take. She should just say,
you know what, stuff it. She's had other offers with
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her Today in the Herald read a Herald article that said,
she's been offered you know, other jobs. Good on your
trap up, good to chat to your mate. Thanks and
day Hi Tom.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
Yeah, I think the lady is just too nice. I'd
take them to the cleaners. And but her her thoughts
upon it is that she they don't have the money
and she knows what sort of what the accounts of
Nepal New Zealand are like. So she's letting them off
as best as she can. But they are still pigheaded
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and not bothering to to take take the easy out.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, I think in other words, yeah, in other words, mate,
if they if they had a coach who was perhaps
a little bit more litigious, or they had more of
an appetite for it, they might find themselves in hot
water for the way that they have handled themselves here.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
And that's what it is. And she's trying to give
them the easy out. And she said today she said
it quite clearly that Netle New Zealand does not have
a lot of money, and I think she knows she
could really rip them a new one, and that's why
she's backing off and let them sort of come on now,
be honest about the situation.
Speaker 13 (29:10):
They're there.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
Pr skills is zero.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
They should take the out, Tom, They should take the out.
If that's their run, now, good on you. Thanks for
going through. I appreciate it. A few more to get to.
We've got got to write the weekend before we get
to eight o clock out to bus hi buss, You
got on mate.
Speaker 13 (29:29):
My concern with with Nolan, she's just hanging in there.
But the Commonwealth, she's only going to get the team back.
I think it's a month before the Commonwealth Games. And
that for me that if she does if they don't
do well in the Commonwealth Games, that's the excuse for
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these clowns in the in the networ thing to socker
and if they do that, she would if I was here,
I'd go overseas. She's had lots of lots of people
ringing that, so what I'd do it. And if sure
knows that, then I'm afraid New Zealand Netball is going
down and drawing, mate.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But I think she'll hopefully well hopefully she'll get them
a little bit before a month before the Commonwealth Games.
I think obviously I at McCausland jury will take the
team on this northern tour which is about to begin,
and then we'll all break for Christmas. Take a breath
and I would imagine that Dame Nolin toldoo are being
coach of the Silver Ferns as she is has been reinstated,
will present a plan to net Born, New Zealand to
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prepare the team in the best possible way to do
well at the Commonwealth Games next year in Glasgow. And
I would imagine that that would be getting the team
together early in the new year, then having the AMZ Premiership,
but also having Silver Ferns camps and then heading straight
to the common Games. I would hope that it's not
a month before, but that's I think what a high
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performance coach would do. Thanks for your coll buss Mark
high mate.
Speaker 12 (31:03):
Hey Kie, Yeah, she's pretty tough, isn't she really stand
up to all this? I mean I would have given
the middle finger and told them where they could stick
to their job. But I just find like this she's
is probably one of the best coaches in any sport
I've seen in recent well just about any time really.
I mean, given the talent pool we've gotten, who we're
playing in Australia and in the level of competition, in
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the level of standard she she's risen to with the
Silver Ferns over the last few years, and I thought
Fozzy was you know, with the rugby union, was pretty bad,
But this is like next level. I just I just
can't understand it. I mean, Netple's and deep deep doodoo already,
and I mean, to take the best, the best coach
and do your best to get rid of it. It
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already shows that people running as organized stations should just
resign themselves. To be honest, I just can't. I can't
believe it.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Let's just even assume, though, for argument's sake, hypothetically mark
that actually there is something to these allegations, that actually
the allegations are serious enough that you know that they
do need to be exacts. So if that's the case,
then they still need to be presented to her. She
still she can't. She cannot be kept in the dark
on this stuff. It defies common sense.
Speaker 12 (32:19):
Ah, But I just I like, I mean, I guess
we're just sort of speculating on what's going on behind them,
But yeah, to keep her in the dark about who
the people and to be able to face your accusers
in any in any situation in life as sort of
a right you should have, and to keep that secret
from her, I mean, there's just another sort of insult
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to me. I don't understand it, and it must be
extraordinarily frustrating to be anner of view when you don't
know who said what or you know. I mean, they're
obviously keeping information that she needs to well to make
a change. Even how can she make a change and
she doesn't know what she's done on who the people
are accusing her of.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
You're right, Mark, how can we make progress if we're
not in full possession of the facts. You're so right?
How can we how can we make any progress?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Well?
Speaker 12 (33:05):
Little aside pointing? Can you put the finger on why
Toma is so bad in this league competition? The greatest
fans in the world, But I really feel like the
last two games have really been let down by this side.
I mean, on paper they look pretty good, but men,
they've just not performed, are they?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah? They haven't. They were great last year beat us,
didn't they they were great last year? I'm not sure.
I can't put my finger on a mark. Yeah, I'm enjoying. Yeah,
I'm enjoying some more, though, I must say, looking forward
to the Keys against some more this coming weekend. Hello, Hannah, Hey,
how are you doing good?
Speaker 14 (33:39):
My opinion and at the end of the day, that's
all it is with regards to Nolane is that if
her high expectations can't be met by certain netbook players,
then they should take a look at themselves and up
their game, rather than point the finger and accuse her
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of bullying or mean spirited tactic when all she's asking
is for them to give up their best athletically. She
has got high standards. She does expect her athletes to
be fit. And I think she knows exactly who has
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made the complaints. I think she knows the boot camp
the complaints have come from. And the people or the
person might think they're anonymous to her, but they won't be.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
She'll know. And Netball New Zealand are poor.
Speaker 14 (34:41):
We know that. And that just shows the depth of
Noling's character that she's not going to pull a rug
out from all the young and up and coming netballers
who adore the game and see Netball New Zealand broke
the prover a point. She'll come back and prove her
point on court.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And I thank you so much. Let's takes you quite
a nice way to finish the discussion. Thank you for
being so particulate with your thoughts. Yeah, I think you're
right too. I mean, well know she'll know people talk,
you know, changing rooms alike, She'll know more. Tocumb mortercom
thanks for your cause and correspondence sixteen to eight. Let's
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take a break rate the week Pinety's Power rankings after.
Speaker 15 (35:23):
This day our rankings on Monday nights we rate the
weekend Pinty's Power rankings the best, the worst, and the
in between.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's from the last seventy two hours or so. Javo
the serial pest pitch invader somehow getting on the field
for the National anthems and the second England v Australia
Rugby League Test. One of the most is that things
you'll see. Who is this guy? He's a serial pest.
I think he's done at the cricket.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He might have done it at the soccer.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
He just somehow finds his way onto the field. Look
once was funny, twice was pushing it. He's gone well
past the line. Now just ban the bloke the red
card to Tiger Burn in yesterday's All Blacks VI Island
Test a body to red card because jin By with
your connection.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
The fours planning for the mitigation from the four pars,
but it's upgraded to reds.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
That's the least convincing red card in an era where
we see a lot of red cards are a bit dubious.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
But there's no explanation there from the officials what he
could have done.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It was only just a yellow. The decision to upgrade
to read utterly mystifying. The black Caps completing a clean
sweep of their ODI series against England with a two
wicket winning Game three in Wellington tickles it away, Does that, folks?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
As easy as you like.
Speaker 14 (36:55):
Fracial tarnership to get the job.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Done, job done. Next up the West Indies in all
three formats between now and Christmas seven. Staying with Cricket India,
winners of the Women's Cricket World Cup for the very
first time.
Speaker 15 (37:11):
You take.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The tree Late Nation a fifty two run win over
South Africa in this morning's Final six. The breaker is
their biggest win of the season, one oh two sixty
over the defending champions, No less, the Illawarra Hawks, and.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
The Breakers raise the tarn Alternatively, Biles misses that come
down for Lopez.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Darling, Does he pull up again? Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Surrey bag one hundred on the board.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
MaTx Darling, the former Hawk, says let's post triple figure
breaker is up to eight after ten games this season.
Five into the top half. The finish to the men's
race at the New York Marathon with Kenyans Benson cap
Rutho and Alexander Martisso in a sprint to the finish line.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Is coming, thanks coming for it all out, Fritz kip Rudel,
the Tusso care.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Hold the morning the line fence and Kim Rudel kip
rut Of the winner by just three hundredths of a second.
Auckland f C had four moving to the top of
the A League ladder with victory over Adelaide United, a
side they'd never previously beaten. My Rogerson outside my AGA's
(38:35):
the post floe us Charta bluiver Strata to the delight
of the courts. Next up for Auckland f C the
first New Zealand derby of the season Saturday night against
the Phoenix and Wellington. The kiwis overcoming Tonga and they're
absolutely unbelievable supporters at Eden Park yesterday entertaining rugby league.
Speaker 13 (39:00):
Here here's a last, here's Martin, there's a tie.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yes fadenx Tottera alright, says how bennex Crossland. He's been outstanding.
So the Keys now meet some more In Sunday's Pacific
Nations Final in Sydney. The All Blacks are at two
and specifically the last twenty minutes from them yesterday when
they ran away from Ireland to record a third straight
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win against them for the first time in over a decade.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
By roy Guard takes it away.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
He tell me through, he goes through one, he goes
through day, he goes through day. He filled the land
for the All Blacks. Every roy Yard twenty six thirteen.
The final score. Scotland up next on Sunday morning. On
the La Dodgers back to back World Series winners in
Major League Baseball with a five to four win over
(39:53):
the Toronto Blue Jays in the final match of an
epic seven game series. Broken back ground ball. Bence hasard
second one brought.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
The first got a double play.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Drews have won back to back World Series championships. Anything
you would change ants. So the Breakers win by forty
two points and they get six, how many points do
they have to win by to get fifth? If you
zoom out a little bit and it was their third
(40:27):
win and ten games, and the Hawks a rubbish the
season as well. But they have forty points.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I feel like you give I'd give them fourth personally,
but anyway, all right, I've got to shuffle the mid
table potentially. I really need to check with you before,
don't I but it's a lot more fun to Findy's
power rankings return about the same time next Monday night,
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coming up forty eight. Final couple of texts, Everyone chill out,
says d. What is very evident is that yes, netballs
and turmoil at the moment. But is also very evident
is that Kiwi's love, Nepple and the game will live
through this and be just as popular as ever. D.
I sincerely hope that you are right. I sincerely hope
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you're right. And from Graham, I've been keeping tabs on
the Scottish rugby team for a while. Piney says Graham.
Their back line is truly outstanding. They can score tries
for fun and I'm a little bit worried for the
All Blacks. Do you think the Scots will be anywhere
close to beating the All Blacks this current weekend? Graham,
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thank you for bringing us back to some other sport
to end the show. To answer your question, I think
the Scots will be competitive at Murrayfield. They always lift
their game at home, doubly so against the All Blacks,
who they have as we know, never beaten. I saw
they put eighty on the United States on the weekend
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and I'm not quite sure whether that's a good gauge
or not, but they've clearly got a bit of confidence.
I think will be okay. Graham, I'm predicting will be
okay and basing it mainly on the twenty minutes at
the end of yesterday's game. If the All Blacks can
spring board off that it'll be a relatively similar team.
I'd imagine that gets put out injuries permitting, I think
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will be too good for Scotland and get two from
two as they look for the Grand Slam. Appreciate your text,
Appreciate you listening in all of your calls and correspondence. Tonight,
Marcus Lush after eight Thanks to ADS for producing. I'll
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Hello, Dakonning, Welcome it some Monday night sports talk on
News Talk said be November three, Happy thirtieth birthday to
Stacy Walker. I'm Jason Pine Show producer and millicic. We're
talking sport with you until eight. Just one story dominating
the sporting landscape today, Dave Noline Todd her this morning
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spoke for the first time since being stood down and
then reinstated as Silver Fern's head coach. She gave her
first interview to Mike Hosking here on News Talk. Sa'd
be this morning, but unfortunately it has thrown up just
as many new questions as it has provided answers. So
tonight let us if we can try to unpack this together.
(01:07):
Dame Nolene was on with Mike what twelve hours ago.
That's twelve hours for you to have thought this over,
to have ruminated upon it, to listen or read a
range of views and opinions and formed your own ones
as well. Here is your chance to give voice to
those opinions. We are going to open the lines immediately.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'll recap some
(01:30):
of the main points for you shortly, and then I
warmly welcome your reaction to what has played out in
public today as opposed to privately behind closed doors for
the last two months. Also, tonight tomorrow is the first
Tuesday in November, which means the Melbourne Cup is on
at Flemington just after five o'clock tomorrow afternoon, New Zealand
(01:52):
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some tips and advice ahead of the race that stops
two nations, and on Monday night we write the weekend
Pinty's Power rankings before eight o'clock as well. But the
show is yours to involve yourself and tonight, especially with
such an intriguing topic, to kick around together. OH eight
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Speaker 1 (02:24):
The right call is your call on OH eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Sports Talk call on your home
of Sports News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There's only been one story around today for the first
time since being stood down and then reinstated as Silver
Fern's head coach, Dame Nolean Todoa spoke publicly. She did
so on the Mike Hosking Breakfast. So my cast, what
the allegations against Dame Nolean.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Were, in real simple terms, I don't know, and I
can't tell you, and that's that's my truth. I'm not
sort of going on the lines. I actually don't know,
but I can tell you that I am one hundred
percent open. It's my one I wonder if I'm going
to be honest of listening to players, listening to anybody
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as to what concerns they have, and then looking for
solutions to make it better. So that's just what I
do and how I do it, and I haven't stopped
that at all, and over my twenty five years, that's
what I'm synonymous with in regards to the culture and
the environment that I build. So that's that's all I
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can say in that matter. But the question that you've asked,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So what was she stood down for?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
My truth is I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So then transpired that there had been no investigation into
the alleged issues in the silver Fern's high performance environment.
So then Mike asked, so, just for clarity's sake, you
were never told why you were being stood down and
there was no investigation, correct now, just on that. We
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woke to Players Association boss Steph Bond on Sunday, October
the fifth, so about a month ago when this was
playing out, and she talked about players being spoken to
to have to listen to this. Now, please excuse the
airport noise. Airport noise in the background of this.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
There is no doubt that we would have hoped initially
that more players were involved in the process and.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
That more players were spoken to it.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
But that is NEBLI New Zealand's.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Process to run and that was not how it was
played out.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Just expand on that for us. Then they're just taking
just a small portion of player views into their thinking here.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No sorry. Initially, as part of the initial arm review,
our position was that they should have taken.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
The view of every player and that's how the reviews
should have played out. Now every player has.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Had the opportunity to have their opinion and you taken
forward by Netwin Zeland.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So if talking to every player isn't an investigation, then
what is it? What is an investigation? What is a review?
And have we now just got into a battle of
semantics and descriptions and what on earth have they been
doing for two months? And then it got really silly
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as Dave Nolen was answering another question from Mike.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Now I've been told, actually by my mind, I could
you stop saying that you don't know?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
In the last couple of hours, Dave Nolen Toddua has
issued a statement. Now It reads, I was not clear
enough that I was involved in the review process. A
summary of the concerns that the players raised with netballne
New Zealand through the Players Association was shared with me,
which I responded to as part of the process. It
goes on to say the review did not get into
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specific details or allegations in a way that could identify
individual players. So those are the details I don't have.
Dave Nolen goes on to say, I can appreciate why
anonymity is important, but I did find that difficult. My
focus now is on putting in place the great changes
we need to strengthen the Silver Fern's high performance environment
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and get back to doing what I love coaching. That's
the end of Dame Nolean's statement, this just gets worse
and worse and worse. We are now at the point
where someone at Netball New Zealand or the Players Association
or both has heard Dame Nolean's comments this morning when
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she said she didn't know what the allegations were, and
love clap back saying that she did. And now she's
had to issue this clarification. What an utter, utter, utter shambles.
I mean, grow up, be adults, sit down with one another,
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look each other in the eye, and talk about the concerns.
At the very base level of human decency, respect, integrity,
common sense, you simply cannot stand somebody down, especially if
they're in a high profile job, and not tell them
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the full extent of the reasons why. Employment expert Max
Whitehead told Heather Duplicy Allen exactly that this afternoon.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
The employer has an obligation on good faith and in
natural justice to provide her with a name and what
the allegations are.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So here is where I think we are. Most of
us simply cannot get our head around what has gone
on here. We can all imagine a situation where we
are called into a meeting by our boss and told
that our employment is at risk, and in that situation,
basic common sense demands that we would have every right
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to be told why we are sitting in that room.
If there are allegations against Dame Noling totoa, tell her
what they are and then address those concerns. They are
all adults, they can all handle the truth, uncomfortable as
that truth may be, and to be brutally frank. If
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someone has made allegations and doesn't want their identity revealed
to the person who those allegations are aimed at, if
they don't have the courage and the faith in their
own convictions to stand in front of them and own
those views, if they're not brave enough to reveal themselves,
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then I'm not sure that's the type of character trait
I want in a player who's wearing the silver fern
and representing us on the netball court. And just before
we take some calls and hear your views. Netball New
Zealand are the recipient of taxpayers money through high performance
Sport New Zealand and so they have to be held accountable.
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That is why we're talking about it. That is why
it's our business. This is an operational matter and the CEO,
Jenny Wiley, needs to be under deep scrutiny about what's
played out here because it will go down without a
doubt as one of the most shambolic chapters in sports
administration in this country. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty
(09:26):
ten eighty is our number. You can send your text
messages to nine two nine to two. Would love to
get your views. You've had the chance to think about
it all day. Give voice to your opinions if you
so choose. Hello, Josh, yeah, Hey.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
Darcy Yeah, no, none, no, no more Clara, are we
it's yeah, it's said. I mean one one guy pointed
out today on talkback that the due process is meant
to be if you're under investigation, you're meant to be
served some sort of paperwork before you are asked to
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stand down. So you know that didn't happen. Then there
was an investigation after she was stood down or during
her being stood down. The whole thing. It's non transparent.
There's no it's actually quite bizarre. It's just a hearsay
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amounted to a complaint, and you know, where's the official
complaint And they didn't follow that due process. The lawyer
would have told her that. The lawyer would have said, no,
you didn't. You didn't have to stand down without the
written confirmation of an actual complaint.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Josh, right. Yeah, I'm just I'm just sick of everybody
hiding behind lawyers and legal speak. And you know, I'm
going to let you go on, Josh, but I'm just
at the point now, where can we all just have
some common sense here? Can we be at us around
a table.
Speaker 8 (11:07):
You know, Darcie. Unfortunately it's a sad indictment on where
we are with employment law and particularly government funded agencies,
where the powers that be have access to substantial legal representation,
why the employee may not in fact have the same access.
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So what you know, Noleane was right. I mean, as
soon as she got her lawer involved, she knew she's
in the right, she knew she'd done. There was nothing
to hide, there was She could be as transparent as
she wanted to be. It wasn't going to stop the process.
But those employers, they have to do things correctly. I mean,
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there's a possible angle of defamation if they get it wrong.
The other thing I want to mention quickly, Darcy, I'll
be real quick, and that is if there's a disagreement
within managers and men. So we'll say the coach hypothetically,
if she had a disagreement with the CEO, they didn't
see eye to eye philosophically on something, whether it was
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you know, player eligibility as an example. Now she had
a wrong angle according to somebody else, then perhaps that
could have been a motivation for trying to flicker off,
Perhaps you know, an element of control.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, potentially, josh On, need to move because I've got
some other calls to get to made. But thanks for
kicking off the conversation. I'm at the point now, as
I say, where the deepest frustration for me is that
they haven't been able to sort this out like adults,
they haven't been able to face up to uncomfortable truths.
Two uncomfortable situations. Uncomfortable situations happen all the time in
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every workplace. There is the potential for disagreement, for conflict,
for people not to agree with the way their boss
runs things, for there to be a feeling that they
are being treated unfairly. And in a good, well functioning workplace,
there are systems in place where discussion can be had
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to iron those things out. And I'm almost certain that
one of the things that's required when things are being
ironed out efficiently is full disclosure. Is everybody involved in
the situation knowing what the issues are. An employee able
to come to their boss, bringing a representative if they like,
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from their you know, in this case, the players association
and sitting across the table from that person and outlining
the concerns being heard, and then giving the boss or
in this situation, the coach the opportunity to address those concerns.
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Dame Nolen said herself, she prides herself on listening to
her players. Why has that not been possible? And as
I say, if Dame Nolen hasn't been told the nature
of the allegations for the last two months, the full
nature of them, then what on earth have they been doing? John?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Hi, matey, how are you doing?
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Bud?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
John, that's the story. Hey, Look, I agree with what
you just said there. And but the problem, as I said,
is that the chairmen and the chief executive a slight
a bit deluded because as I understand it, and I
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listened to them last week, they have said they wouldn't
change anything, and how they have gone about things, and
you know, I just find the extraordinary that they have said, oh, well, actually,
you know, we did what we felt was the right
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thing to do. And so if that's their thinking, then
that's why we are where we are now, because that
to me is just dumb. You know, I'm just dumbfounded
that they could possibly think that, you know, that they
could think that this is this process has actually you
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know been actually okay.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, no time, You're right. It's laughable, it's laughable. It's
a complete failure to read the room and to say,
you know what, we haven't done a really good job here.
Down the treat they may do that, down the trick
they may do, but it's as clear as the nose
on our faces, mate, that this hasn't been handled well.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Oh absolutely. And you know, but to say that they
think that they've actually the process has been okay means,
as you just say, they haven't read the room, that
they are actually deluded. And I just can't see if
Netburne news Zaland want to change that they can continue
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with these two individuals, you know, and just quickly. The
second point I would make is that you know, you
sort of got the measure of Dame Nolene when she said,
you know, she didn't want to pursue legal avenues because
of the finances. If Netburne News Island, I would have thought,
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you know, she would have a field day if she
got her voys involved. And you know, I just I
was really impressed with what she said there, because you know,
it shows you just the measure of the individual.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I agreet John, Thanks mate, thanks for your contribution
texture here. I just want to what the something does
this personal employment dilemma have anything to do with this
radio station. Why don't we hear of NZME contracts and
employment details. Why aren't you discussing those? Well, there's one
simple reason is that the last time I checked, we
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were not funded by the taxpayer. This is an employment matter, yes,
but it's an employment matter with two distinct differences. It's
high profile. Dave Noline Todua is high profile. The dame
at the front of her name is a clue there.
And secondly, they are funded. The high performance element of
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Netball New Zealand is funded by taxpayer dollars, so they
need to be held to account, just as anybody using
taxpayers dollars needs to be held to account. Now, look,
I want to make it clear as well, I'm not
actually that interested in hearing what the allegations are. I
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don't really have any deep interest in what the allegations are.
But Dame Nolene Toduin deserves to know what they are.
She deserves to know. Whether we find out or not
is really neither here nor there. It's just the way
that she has been treated the way any normal person
should expect to be treated in an employment situation where
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their job is on the line. That is just basic
human decency. In any organization, taxpayer funded or not, there's
a way to treat people, and there's been a failure
in the treatment of Dame Nolen Todua seven twenty five.
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Back in a moment, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
No need for be DMO.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
hundred eighty eight News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Seven twenty eight four Border calls. Let's get back to
the might, Tim.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
I'm a knowing supportive but put that aside and interest
to get everything. They sacked the tower on the council.
The government put twenty six million dollars of our money
into an organization whose governance is so incomprehensibly incompetent. You've
got winner are who's claims to be a director for
(19:30):
god's say, the public director of public companies who's condoning
this stage. You've got their management that can't hold on
to a sponsor. The game's been going back with the years.
It's time the government simply said we will not forge
you any more money.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I think the tower. We will appoint somebody.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
To oversee a transition into a governance system that's for
some transparency. They get often our taxpayer and the poor
woman who's gave the games of all these young bills
who used to aspire to greatness in its day, and
see if we can get this back on track. That
mob has got no chance, are bearing this mess and
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thinking they can go forward. They have no right to
spend our money. And it should be whipdeld until proper
governments with vied councils with taken away. You devour all
those people we've taken over, and they are so incomfident
and so far off, they should just say, unfortunately, with
your dice you'll think you're wonderful. Anybody else we cannot
(20:32):
be conscious account to our taxpayers with conduct like this,
and unfortunately others occasion a whole lot of you, you'll have
to go and we'll have to refresh with competent people
or a commissioner who will help build a compitent team
to get this game back on the road.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
The crazy thing, The crazy thing is that we're even
having this conversation, that we're even at the point now
where we're talking, you know about pretty drastic courses of action,
you know, bringing in somebody to oversee netball because they've
made such a pig's here of this whole thing. So
(21:10):
I to address a couple of these texts coming through,
As this text says, who has employed hundreds of employees
over the years, I would never legally be able to
discuss a personal employment contract in public. No, But the
moment you accept taxpayer dollars, you have an obligation. You
have an obligation to be accountable as an organization that
(21:34):
does things in a satisfactory, sensible fashion. As I said before,
I'm not actually that concerned or I'm not even really
curious about what the situations are. But back to your text,
as someone who's employed hundreds of employees over the years.
(21:54):
I'd be very interested to know whether if you got
into a situation where you had to stand somebody down
or bring them into an employment situation, that you didn't
give them full disclosure. I'm reasonably sure that unemployment situations,
responsible employers have an obligation to do that. We heard
(22:17):
from our lawyer with Heather duplicy Ellen earlier, Max Whitehead.
He said exactly that.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
The employer has an obligation on good faith and a
natural justice to provide her with a name and what
the allegations are.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Not us, they don't really have to tell us, although
that would be nice, you know, at least keep us
in the picture. But really, at the risk of repeating
myself here, the biggest failing here is a failure to
tell Dame no Lean what the allegations are, and really,
as I've said before, a failure of character too from
(22:54):
those who have made these allegations and are not willing
to own those allegations.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Charie Hi, Hi, Yeah, isn't it. It's something about them
that comes out and it's just like wow, I mean,
you know, from the netball community, it's just I can't
believe this. It just keeps going on and on. Look,
the bigger person here is Noline. That's what all I see.
(23:21):
She's willing to make the sacrifice is day out. If
they're not prepared, no, get rid of them our regions.
We have to speak up nickballers. If you don't want
them in.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
There, We have to speak up now because this whole
thing is a shambles from this to their staff problems
that you just keep getting reports about everything. So Netballer's
out there if we don't want them, and we have
to speak up now. We have to do it because
this is just making our sport look like a joke
(23:53):
every day and we need to speak up netballers. We
need to do it. Get to your regions, get them out,
get them out.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Thank you for your Coltarie. And again the great pity
is that the sport which has been at the heart
of our sports viewing, our sports consciousness for decades and decades,
and which has provided us with some absolutely magnificent moments,
is being dragged into this. If you say netball on
(24:25):
the street now to somebody, the first thing they think
about is this not a World Cup win or even
you know, to be honest, the Constellation Cup series was
a very pleasant distraction from all of this, but the
reputational damage is significant. Thank you, Shari, Trevor hollo matey,
(24:49):
I'm good TV, thank you.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
But I'm just coming from a slightly different point of view.
I mean, you know, I one wasn't going to understand Noline,
and even everybody loves her, she just hasn't got an
unquivable right to be the coach of the Silver Ferns.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
No, and no she doesn't.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
And I tend.
Speaker 11 (25:08):
Something if I had to make a decision, I cannot believe.
I mean, I remember their first meeting. She said it
was she didn't it said it was a it was
a ten hour meeting, and then they had three or
four weeks of a vigorous discussions. And I don't believe
that Nolan or her lawyers weren't told what the problem was.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I can she said, she said they she said they weren't.
She's a statement, yes, you know, she said that she
was not told the full nature. And and thatt Born
New Zealand have not refuted that, Trevor, they have not
refuted it. In fact, they've confirmed it, mate. They've confirmed
it by saying that the reason they haven't is because
it would jeopardize the anonymity of those who have made
(25:52):
the allegation. All of it a fact, it's an opinion,
it's a fact.
Speaker 11 (25:57):
Yeah no, No, all us continued talking from people who
in the know and the general public about it was
clear unhappiness as all people. I mean, we don't know.
I mean, so that means everybody you know who gives
her opinion on her inside the netball thing and general
public have said that it's player and player unrest.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
They said, it's concerns. They said, it's concerns with the
high performance environment.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Oh well, that's right. So if you're working, you know, we
can work out what we're saying. Then look, you know,
I don't even know why Noley is just worrying and
really worrying about it, you know what I mean, I mean,
I know why.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You don't know why she is worrying about the reputational
damage that this is doing and that she hasn't been
given the reasons why she has been stood down. What
if someone, Trevor, what if someone said, what if someone
was slagging you and you're not as high profile as
(26:58):
Dame Noline, but what if someone was slagging you off
around town and your boss said to you, and your
boss said to you. Look, Trevor, I'm going to have
to stand you down for a while. Mate. We've had
some allegations. I know, the first thing you'd say, what
are they now?
Speaker 11 (27:11):
That's right, pointy, But you're doing that something different than me.
Why does she want to continue to be the coach?
Take in the court, sue them for inflammatory talk. Just
sue them. I just don't understand why her first and
almost thinks that she has the right because she loves
it to be the coach of the full Silver Ferns.
I mean, taken taken to court. Sue them, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, Well she's already said that she doesn't want to
do that because well she's got the game at the
center of her consciousness. Always good having a robust discussion
with you, mate, But she I think she just loves
the job. I think she just loves the job. You're
right that that I think is the is the the
view that a lot of people take. She should just say,
you know what, stuff it. She's had other offers with
(27:55):
her Today in the Herald read a Herald article that said,
she's been offered you know, other jobs. Good on your
trap up, good to chat to your mate. Thanks and
day Hi Tom.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
Yeah, I think the lady is just too nice. I'd
take them to the cleaners. And but her her thoughts
upon it is that she they don't have the money
and she knows what sort of what the accounts of
Nepal New Zealand are like. So she's letting them off
as best as she can. But they are still pigheaded
(28:27):
and not bothering to to take take the easy out.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, I think in other words, yeah, in other words, mate,
if they if they had a coach who was perhaps
a little bit more litigious, or they had more of
an appetite for it, they might find themselves in hot
water for the way that they have handled themselves here.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
And that's what it is. And she's trying to give
them the easy out. And she said today she said
it quite clearly that Netle New Zealand does not have
a lot of money, and I think she knows she
could really rip them a new one, and that's why
she's backing off and let them sort of come on now,
be honest about the situation.
Speaker 13 (29:10):
They're there.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
Pr skills is zero.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
They should take the out, Tom, They should take the out.
If that's their run, now, good on you. Thanks for
going through. I appreciate it. A few more to get to.
We've got got to write the weekend before we get
to eight o clock out to bus hi buss, You
got on mate.
Speaker 13 (29:29):
My concern with with Nolan, she's just hanging in there.
But the Commonwealth, she's only going to get the team back.
I think it's a month before the Commonwealth Games. And
that for me that if she does if they don't
do well in the Commonwealth Games, that's the excuse for
(29:51):
these clowns in the in the networ thing to socker
and if they do that, she would if I was here,
I'd go overseas. She's had lots of lots of people
ringing that, so what I'd do it. And if sure
knows that, then I'm afraid New Zealand Netball is going
down and drawing, mate.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But I think she'll hopefully well hopefully she'll get them
a little bit before a month before the Commonwealth Games.
I think obviously I at McCausland jury will take the
team on this northern tour which is about to begin,
and then we'll all break for Christmas. Take a breath
and I would imagine that Dame Nolin toldoo are being
coach of the Silver Ferns as she is has been reinstated,
will present a plan to net Born, New Zealand to
(30:35):
prepare the team in the best possible way to do
well at the Commonwealth Games next year in Glasgow. And
I would imagine that that would be getting the team
together early in the new year, then having the AMZ Premiership,
but also having Silver Ferns camps and then heading straight
to the common Games. I would hope that it's not
a month before, but that's I think what a high
(30:58):
performance coach would do. Thanks for your coll buss Mark
high mate.
Speaker 12 (31:03):
Hey Kie, Yeah, she's pretty tough, isn't she really stand
up to all this? I mean I would have given
the middle finger and told them where they could stick
to their job. But I just find like this she's
is probably one of the best coaches in any sport
I've seen in recent well just about any time really.
I mean, given the talent pool we've gotten, who we're
playing in Australia and in the level of competition, in
(31:25):
the level of standard she she's risen to with the
Silver Ferns over the last few years, and I thought
Fozzy was you know, with the rugby union, was pretty bad,
But this is like next level. I just I just
can't understand it. I mean, Netple's and deep deep doodoo already,
and I mean, to take the best, the best coach
and do your best to get rid of it. It
(31:46):
already shows that people running as organized stations should just
resign themselves. To be honest, I just can't. I can't
believe it.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Let's just even assume, though, for argument's sake, hypothetically mark
that actually there is something to these allegations, that actually
the allegations are serious enough that you know that they
do need to be exacts. So if that's the case,
then they still need to be presented to her. She
still she can't. She cannot be kept in the dark
on this stuff. It defies common sense.
Speaker 12 (32:19):
Ah, But I just I like, I mean, I guess
we're just sort of speculating on what's going on behind them,
But yeah, to keep her in the dark about who
the people and to be able to face your accusers
in any in any situation in life as sort of
a right you should have, and to keep that secret
from her, I mean, there's just another sort of insult
(32:40):
to me. I don't understand it, and it must be
extraordinarily frustrating to be anner of view when you don't
know who said what or you know. I mean, they're
obviously keeping information that she needs to well to make
a change. Even how can she make a change and
she doesn't know what she's done on who the people
are accusing her of.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
You're right, Mark, how can we make progress if we're
not in full possession of the facts. You're so right?
How can we how can we make any progress?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Well?
Speaker 12 (33:05):
Little aside pointing? Can you put the finger on why
Toma is so bad in this league competition? The greatest
fans in the world, But I really feel like the
last two games have really been let down by this side.
I mean, on paper they look pretty good, but men,
they've just not performed, are they?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah? They haven't. They were great last year beat us,
didn't they they were great last year? I'm not sure.
I can't put my finger on a mark. Yeah, I'm enjoying. Yeah,
I'm enjoying some more, though, I must say, looking forward
to the Keys against some more this coming weekend. Hello, Hannah, Hey,
how are you doing good?
Speaker 14 (33:39):
My opinion and at the end of the day, that's
all it is with regards to Nolane is that if
her high expectations can't be met by certain netbook players,
then they should take a look at themselves and up
their game, rather than point the finger and accuse her
(34:01):
of bullying or mean spirited tactic when all she's asking
is for them to give up their best athletically. She
has got high standards. She does expect her athletes to
be fit. And I think she knows exactly who has
(34:24):
made the complaints. I think she knows the boot camp
the complaints have come from. And the people or the
person might think they're anonymous to her, but they won't be.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
She'll know. And Netball New Zealand are poor.
Speaker 14 (34:41):
We know that. And that just shows the depth of
Noling's character that she's not going to pull a rug
out from all the young and up and coming netballers
who adore the game and see Netball New Zealand broke
the prover a point. She'll come back and prove her
point on court.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And I thank you so much. Let's takes you quite
a nice way to finish the discussion. Thank you for
being so particulate with your thoughts. Yeah, I think you're
right too. I mean, well know she'll know people talk,
you know, changing rooms alike, She'll know more. Tocumb mortercom
thanks for your cause and correspondence sixteen to eight. Let's
(35:21):
take a break rate the week Pinety's Power rankings after.
Speaker 15 (35:23):
This day our rankings on Monday nights we rate the
weekend Pinty's Power rankings the best, the worst, and the
in between.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's from the last seventy two hours or so. Javo
the serial pest pitch invader somehow getting on the field
for the National anthems and the second England v Australia
Rugby League Test. One of the most is that things
you'll see. Who is this guy? He's a serial pest.
I think he's done at the cricket.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He might have done it at the soccer.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
He just somehow finds his way onto the field. Look
once was funny, twice was pushing it. He's gone well
past the line. Now just ban the bloke the red
card to Tiger Burn in yesterday's All Blacks VI Island
Test a body to red card because jin By with
your connection.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
The fours planning for the mitigation from the four pars,
but it's upgraded to reds.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
That's the least convincing red card in an era where
we see a lot of red cards are a bit dubious.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
But there's no explanation there from the officials what he
could have done.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It was only just a yellow. The decision to upgrade
to read utterly mystifying. The black Caps completing a clean
sweep of their ODI series against England with a two
wicket winning Game three in Wellington tickles it away, Does that, folks?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
As easy as you like.
Speaker 14 (36:55):
Fracial tarnership to get the job.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Done, job done. Next up the West Indies in all
three formats between now and Christmas seven. Staying with Cricket India,
winners of the Women's Cricket World Cup for the very
first time.
Speaker 15 (37:11):
You take.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The tree Late Nation a fifty two run win over
South Africa in this morning's Final six. The breaker is
their biggest win of the season, one oh two sixty
over the defending champions, No less, the Illawarra Hawks, and.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
The Breakers raise the tarn Alternatively, Biles misses that come
down for Lopez.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Darling, Does he pull up again? Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Surrey bag one hundred on the board.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
MaTx Darling, the former Hawk, says let's post triple figure
breaker is up to eight after ten games this season.
Five into the top half. The finish to the men's
race at the New York Marathon with Kenyans Benson cap
Rutho and Alexander Martisso in a sprint to the finish line.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Is coming, thanks coming for it all out, Fritz kip Rudel,
the Tusso care.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Hold the morning the line fence and Kim Rudel kip
rut Of the winner by just three hundredths of a second.
Auckland f C had four moving to the top of
the A League ladder with victory over Adelaide United, a
side they'd never previously beaten. My Rogerson outside my AGA's
(38:35):
the post floe us Charta bluiver Strata to the delight
of the courts. Next up for Auckland f C the
first New Zealand derby of the season Saturday night against
the Phoenix and Wellington. The kiwis overcoming Tonga and they're
absolutely unbelievable supporters at Eden Park yesterday entertaining rugby league.
Speaker 13 (39:00):
Here here's a last, here's Martin, there's a tie.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yes fadenx Tottera alright, says how bennex Crossland. He's been outstanding.
So the Keys now meet some more In Sunday's Pacific
Nations Final in Sydney. The All Blacks are at two
and specifically the last twenty minutes from them yesterday when
they ran away from Ireland to record a third straight
(39:24):
win against them for the first time in over a decade.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
By roy Guard takes it away.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
He tell me through, he goes through one, he goes
through day, he goes through day. He filled the land
for the All Blacks. Every roy Yard twenty six thirteen.
The final score. Scotland up next on Sunday morning. On
the La Dodgers back to back World Series winners in
Major League Baseball with a five to four win over
(39:53):
the Toronto Blue Jays in the final match of an
epic seven game series. Broken back ground ball. Bence hasard
second one brought.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
The first got a double play.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Drews have won back to back World Series championships. Anything
you would change ants. So the Breakers win by forty
two points and they get six, how many points do
they have to win by to get fifth? If you
zoom out a little bit and it was their third
(40:27):
win and ten games, and the Hawks a rubbish the
season as well. But they have forty points.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I feel like you give I'd give them fourth personally,
but anyway, all right, I've got to shuffle the mid
table potentially. I really need to check with you before,
don't I but it's a lot more fun to Findy's
power rankings return about the same time next Monday night,
(40:56):
coming up forty eight. Final couple of texts, Everyone chill out,
says d. What is very evident is that yes, netballs
and turmoil at the moment. But is also very evident
is that Kiwi's love, Nepple and the game will live
through this and be just as popular as ever. D.
I sincerely hope that you are right. I sincerely hope
(41:17):
you're right. And from Graham, I've been keeping tabs on
the Scottish rugby team for a while. Piney says Graham.
Their back line is truly outstanding. They can score tries
for fun and I'm a little bit worried for the
All Blacks. Do you think the Scots will be anywhere
close to beating the All Blacks this current weekend? Graham,
(41:38):
thank you for bringing us back to some other sport
to end the show. To answer your question, I think
the Scots will be competitive at Murrayfield. They always lift
their game at home, doubly so against the All Blacks,
who they have as we know, never beaten. I saw
they put eighty on the United States on the weekend
(41:59):
and I'm not quite sure whether that's a good gauge
or not, but they've clearly got a bit of confidence.
I think will be okay. Graham, I'm predicting will be
okay and basing it mainly on the twenty minutes at
the end of yesterday's game. If the All Blacks can
spring board off that it'll be a relatively similar team.
I'd imagine that gets put out injuries permitting, I think
(42:20):
will be too good for Scotland and get two from
two as they look for the Grand Slam. Appreciate your text,
Appreciate you listening in all of your calls and correspondence. Tonight,
Marcus Lush after eight Thanks to ADS for producing. I'll
see you on Saturday for weekends. Sport After Midday five
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