January 28, 2026 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
NZ Herald rugby writer Gregor Paul on what the new All Blacks coaching setup needs to look like.
Talkback - Is NZR using the right process to pick their new coaching setup?
Black Caps bowler Matt Henry ahead of the fourth T20 against India.
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It's Wednesday evening, seven after seven at B and the
twenty eighth of January twenty twenty six. My name's Darcy Waldgrave.
I'm here through the light o'clock.
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nicer and simple. The guest we have shortly is Gregor
Paul in New Zealand Herald Rugby writer, suggesting that maybe
a super group of coaches is the way to go
for the All Blacks, winding the process back to the
good old days and the likes of Wayne Smith and
Steve Hansen and Graham Henry. They're all sirs now, aren't
(01:47):
They all helped New Zealand forge quite an impressive record
traout World Cup tom So we'll get your thoughts on
that after we hear it from Gregor Paul Matt. Henry's
going to join us. Fingers crossed on that one before
the fourth T twenty national versus Indy which gets underway.
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It's two thirty tomorrow morning, New Zealand at time, and
I caught it with cam at Roy Guard as well,
the man who's just re signed with New Zealand Rugby.
It's taken through to the end of twenty twenty nine.
That's the master plan. We should probably get a monkst
But before we do that, why don't.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
We do this sport today?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Then it's fort today dmat Damien ben Kenzie has offered.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
His sympathy for the former coach of the All Blacks,
Scott the disposable Rasor Robertson.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
He was out for a week or so back toth.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
It's a tough one right, it's see feeling pray and
like you said, the sport we play that, you know,
whatever happens for Raiser in the family next. Obviously watching
him the best and whatever comes in the future, but
obviously tough as as a coach when that happens.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
A black Cat's baseman lay Ferguson Magar banged up on
a regular basis. But fast bowlers are fast bowlers, right,
Bloody loves it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
All things going well and good.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean they put him up for media sign presuming
he's going to be playing overnight. He'll play for the
national side of the first time since November twenty twenty four.
He's up against what they are, aren't they the marauding
Indian team, But anyway back toward carcass that takes more
toll on the body, so hence sometimes you get injured.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But at the same time, I love bowling quick.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm pretty vocal about that and supporting the fast bowlers
who do bowl quirk. So it's something I'll keep working at.
YEP special breed four on the floor of the women's
semi finals for Australia don't have been confirmed. Verkina and
Pergola advanced through after today's at quarterfinal games. The second
seed this film Tech was bounced out of contention.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Not that happy.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
I'm not happy with the result. It was a high
intensity match and first it was Stay two points made
the difference in second set for sure. Like she improved, sir,
she was going for the shots and some it's got
much stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Her and Auckland FC coach Steve Corker is cool Worth
keeper Michael Vaud even after his howler last week which
handed victory to the Central Coast Mariners.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Obviously Mike has.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Been doing really well.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
He's made a couple of mistakes of late, loss of
focus as well, probably, but yeah, he's had a good
start to the season.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And that's sports today. It's ten after seven.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
We go now to Gregor Paul. He is a rugby
writer for the New Zealand Herald. Catchman ins heel dot
co dot n Z and today he penned an article
he joins us now, Gregor, welcome to the program. I
trust your.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Well, oh very well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's what I like to hear you write an interesting
story today. I mean they all are around the possibility,
because the flavor is all about the all black coaching staff,
the possibility of there being a t headed monster, a triumvirate,
if you will, at the front, leading the All Blacks
into the next World Cup, maybe not all at the
same time, but a thought process around how it might
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formulate the likes of a Foster and a Rennie and
a Jamie Joseph. Do you not talk us through where
this came from?
Speaker 8 (05:26):
Well, I think everyone likes the idea of a superpowered
coaching group, which is what really kind of changed the
trajectory everyone's favorite word at the moment of the All
Blacks back in two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
when Graham Henry was appointed and he took what was
at the time, I mean, I call it unusual powerful
pickure adjectives, I suppose decision when he said, look, he
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was given the job as head coach, and then he
said to New Zealand Rugby, the two guys I want
to be my assistant are Ween Smith, who himself was
a former All Blacks head coach of quite recent vintage,
and Steve Hansen, who was at the time coaching Wales
as the head coach. So this was the first time
we saw this come into play, this idea of you
you ramp up your coaching IP and you put egos aside,
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and you have a head coach, but you have really,
really gifted, ambitious, competent people to supplement your head coach
in assistant roles. Now, I think there's a way to
get back to that because I think in Jamie, Joseph
Dave an Ian Foster, you've got three guys, all of
whom have coached as head coaches international rugby teams. I
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think they've possibly and I don't know this, I'm speculating
that they've all got the necessary desire, a love of
the old lecks, to put aside any personal ambitions, egos,
sense of insecurities or whatever that needs to be gotten
over here for all three of them to work together
in a supercharged coaching team.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So the process of selection and they say trust the process,
but if the process is wrong, you can't trust it.
They've learned ends that are around the setup of recent times.
It's a gang warfare. This coach will come with his gang,
that coach is gang, and then we'll have a fight
and one guy gets the job. Or is this way
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around it's like we'll find a head coach, they'll find
their coaching team, hoping it leans towards something like you've suggested.
Is that realistic?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
The fault and you're right, they have identified where the
fault lay. And look, these things are often cyclical. What
works in one appointment process doesn't necessarily work four years
or eight years down the track. So you've always got
to be quite flexible and thinking about, you know, what
will work at this particular time. And the problem with
the previous process has been to your point, you get
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the kids, you put two kids in charge and say
you need to both pick a team, which they do.
But of course what happens is they both go and say, no,
you're in my team, which means you can't ever be
in the other guy's team. So when you Zella Noby
comes to a point the head coach under that process
has happened in twenty nineteen, you know, it wasn't feasible
for say Ian Foster, who got the job. There were
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a couple of guys assistants who had aligned themselves with
Scott Robertson, who was the other head coach candidate, and
as a result they were off limits to Foster. So
the net outcome here was you didn't get necessarily the
right guys into the right team, and a good guy
like Jason Ryan was initially not part of the all
black coaching team when he should have been given the
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impact he's had because he was the best forwards coach,
but he'd aligned himself with Scott Robertson. Robertson didn't get
the job at the time. Therefore Jason doesn't get to
be part of the all blacks are there. That was
a system that was deemed to punish the all Blacks
more than anyone else because you want to get the
right guys into the right jobs. Now this time, Ryan,
they've said, look, we've learned from that, so we're going
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to appoint a head coach first. We'll go through that
process and we all know what that looks like now.
And once they've got that person, they're then going to say, okay,
who do you want to work with? And I think
that will be a reasonably fluid collaborative process between the
appointed person, New Zealand Rugby's high performance group, the committee
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that's been set up to review the head coaching candidates
at the moment. All of these people will presumably have
some kind of feedback and role in this and the
outcome will hopefully be that in a collaborative way, whoever
is the head coach is going to be able to
end up with three or four people, whatever the number is.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I think we're.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Typically operating with a wider coaching group of five in total,
and they'll be able to say happy with that selection.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
To find roles absolutely key. We had problems with Robertson
where he wasn't necessarily coachingly to believe that he was
a culture coach more than anything else. In a situation
like this, you need a head coach who coaches, who
calls the shots, and he needs about a work with
the next level down. Well, how do we know that
the likes of Joseph and Areni and a Foster could
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work in goats with one head coach controlling this shots.
You mentioned ego before this comes into it, doesn't it?
And it's almost impossible to taste for.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Well, you can't. It's also a leap of faith to
some extent. I mean, guys will be sort of compatible
in terms of the style of rugby, their vision for
the game, their coaching styles. There will be a level
of compatibility in respect that they all need to hold
for one another, otherwise you can't get them all to
work together. But look, any coaching, good coaching system. If
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we take the Steve Hanson era, for example, twenty twelve
to two nineteen, he was undeniably, absolutely the head coach.
No one was ever under any allusions as to what
his job was. He was the head coach and he
operated with Ian Foster as an assistant. Mike crom was
a forwards coach. Fozzy basically did the attack. He had
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a defense coach who was Wayne Smith for periods, got
MacLeod at other periods. And look, it was a really defined,
clear structure. If you get a really client to fit
a structure where the head coach is in charge, everyone
knows that, everyone respects that, everyone understands what their role
is around that person being the head coach, really clear
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job descriptions. You are the attack coach, you and these
are your responsibilities. You are the forwards coach. Here's what
you do. You are the defense coach, here's what you do.
As long as that is all really laid out and
there's no ambiguity, there's no gray areas, no one's coming
in on their illusions about what they may and may
not be doing.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They all get it.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
Then they can make a decision about whether they want
to take on those roles. And I mean that in
the sense that if you've been a head coach previously
and you're coming into the all black environment and you're
being asked to be an assistant coach, well you just
have to accept that's your role, and you've got to
know when to defer to the head coach. You've got
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to know how to not undermine the head coach. You've
got to know when to support the head coach. All
these things. But you've got to take a leap of
faith here that good people, good coaches, even if there
have been head coaches, will understand that they're coming into
an environment where the team and winning and performing well
are the only things that really matter. So your personal
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ambitions get put to one side and you fit into
what you're being asked to fit into, and.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Faster could fit into that. He's done it before enough
water has gone under the bridge. In fact, the bridge
has been washed away. Now. As far as people were
involved in in z are that helped with the can
I say downfall of bean Fossil. I don't think we're
an issue here. Reny v Joseph one to be their head,
another to work underneath them, possibly as far as you know,
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with the egos of these guys and how they operate.
That's not out of the question.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
Right, Well, I wouldn't have thought so. But I don't
know enough about their background, their history. You know, I
don't know how much interaction they've had with one another.
I assume a reasonable amount because they've overlapped in time. Look,
New Zealand's small, isn't it. So usually these guys have
all had a reasonable amount of activity in some capacity
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with one another. I think the bigger question, Darcy is,
let's just go through a scenario here. Say Jamie Joseph
has made head coach and everyone goes, oh cool, that's great,
and he really wants to work with Dave, and Dave
says like, I'm really keen to do it too. You've
then got to ask, well, what will his job be?
You know, it's not about compatibility, it's not about respect
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for one another. It is he needs to have a portfolio.
And as a guy who has been a head coach consistently,
I think since twenty twelve when he started with the Chiefs,
he was a head coach there, head coach with Glasgow,
head coach with Australia, head coach with Cobby, he may
not have necessarily done a huge amount of hands on.
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Say he's asked to do the attack, he may not
have you know, planned the attack week to the detail
that the all blacks require. He may not sort of
have driven that on the training field. As such, there's
quite a high degree of you know, specific technical coaching
that goes into these rules. Now that's not to say
that it would be beyond you know, Dave's skill set
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or ability to get up to speed, but there would
have to be a reality check here and say, well,
he might need to take a moment and think whether
he you know, whether he has the desire of the
willpower and the ability to invest the time that he's
going to need to make sure that comes to life.
That's the job that he takes. That he is you
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know that he is right on top of the detail.
He's right on top of everything, because it's not as
easy as it looks apparently not.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Gregor Paul, thank you very much for your time and insight.
To Gregor, to Rugby writer for Inside here dot co
dot Inzeed, if you'd like to check that article out
and fall by all means please do so. Are the
essence of that chat, Well, there's two ways. First way,
if you look at it, it's this process actually right.
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If they finally got it right, very simple question. I
can muddy the waters later on, but in this one.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Have they got the right process?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Rugby and Ellen's Ellen Rugby finally worked out this is
the best way to do it. Get your head coach first.
Worry about everything else later on. Get your head coach first.
And I think that makes perfect sense because, after all,
as Gregor mentioned, that coach runs the show. He's got
to be once the iron fist, but he needs to
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be in charge of what's going on. Then the next
question of this, if this was to occur and Rennie
or or Joseph I doubt faster would come back in
that head coach roll, would they get that? Would you
be comfortable with essentially a triple aheaded threat. Would you
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be comfortable with one head coach to rule them all
and bringing in former head coaches as assistants. Does that
sit well with you? My only issue on that, as
we discussed, is the tyranny of ego. Now, if they
can work that out and there's not too many big
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swinging members standing around in the changing rooms, they should
be able to get it done. So first up, answer
me this if they've got the process right, because we
get told to trust the process. I've been banging on
about this for the last couple of weeks. But the
process is wrong. How can you trust it?
Speaker 8 (16:49):
So?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Is the process right? With the selection of the All
Blacks coach, oh eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty
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Speaker 2 (17:05):
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Speaker 3 (17:07):
Can you trust this process?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yes?
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Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's goss straight to the phones. That the primary question
here is trusting process. Is this process you can trust
because what's happened before in New Zealand rugby over the
last argue four six years, the process hasn't been great
and I don't know if any of us could trust
what was going on at that upper level. So now
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it's been clearly laid out. Get the coach first. You
know what the coach has to do, parameterize. Do you
trust that process? Did they?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
How are you did?
Speaker 10 (18:23):
A Darcy? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It's always about going forward in this industry.
Speaker 10 (18:27):
Dan, Very good? Hey, Darcy. I think the process is right.
But my question is why does the board allow the
head coach to select as assistance? And I'll give you
an example. They let Scott Robertson peck his assistance and
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how did that go for him?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well back in the day, see Dan, they came together,
as Gregor was explaining before, they had to get together
a team, a group, a gang, and said, Okay, I'm
going to be the head coach. These are the men
I've selected around me. He's my assistant coach, my backs coach,
my forward's coach, my haircut coach, whatever. And then they
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presented New Zealand Rugby and said this is our team
to take the all blacks forward, and then another team said, roll,
I've got this guy, this guy, this guy, and I'm
going to be the coach. So when they packed one
of those teams, if the best assistant was with the
other team, suddenly he was out on the outer and
he couldn't be picked. So this way they picked one coach.
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Once the coach is settled, then they start looking at
their assistance. So that's how they've changed a process.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, I would like to think.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
So I think that it is a brilliant idea, Darcy
and hold on, Dan, So that is a brilliant idea.
But how much author to your autonomy does the head
coach over his assistance? And if the head coach doesn't
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like his assistance, that.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Means he'll pick his assistance, and he'll pick his assistance
from a clean slate. Gregor was saying before Jason Ryan
was on the wrong side, he was worth Scott Robertson
eventually in faster said well, actually Holding is a really.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Good forces coach.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I want him on on my gang. So they got him,
but initially they couldn't. And and as Gregor was saying,
around this, when you've got an autonomous head coach, a
man that everybody knows is boss. He's not just going well,
maybe talk to this blokes we dropped to you, maybe
talked to that one there. There is no forward thinking
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with that Steve Hansen, there was no doubt who ran
the show. He was the head coach and he made
the rules and he made the calls and his head
was on the block and that So this is not
a new idea. They need to maybe go go back
and maybe that's what they'll get the best out of
these players.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Thank you very much starting and have a good night.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I will Dan, thank you very much for making the
call at eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. This
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Speaker 2 (21:21):
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Speaker 3 (21:22):
Please.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We will talk to.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Matt Henry before the cricket later on in the piece.
So this seems like it's nothing new, right, It's a
it's a fairly simple process. Let's find the coach and
then he'll get his own gang together and go forward.
If it is to be a super team, if you
will have coaches I maybe Reny, maybe Foster, maybe Jamie Joseph,
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all guys with a lot of head coaching experience, would
that sit comfortably with you out there as all black fans.
They haven't heard enough from anyone because planning, none of
these partent coaches want to say anything might get themselves
into the stripes, so we try and call and get
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them on. I'd like to think.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That two of the three.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Well, it's not going to be Foster, is it. He's
had his crack, But I think he loves the side
so much that now that all the debris from the
previous regime has been washed away, he may well come
back in an assistant coach role. I don't see his
ego getting in the way. I think he'd be very
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key part of that team. As for Joseph and Rennie
has just pointed out, Rennie there's been a head coach
now since what twenty twelve, So whether he can specialize
in a particular area that would assist the greater good
With all this hype this guy has got throughout rugby coaching,
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could he sit back in that role again comfortably like
he might get the head coach roll. Could Jamie Joseph
sit in that role comfortably? And what is the dynamic
like between Rennie and Joseph. I'm sure they respect each other,
they probably know each other, but would they work comfortably
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together as a unit as one, because they've seen in
recent times two great coaches running together don't necessarily work
so well, or even two not great coaches, but two
coach coaches. And we saw that with Leo McDonald and
Raiser Robinson it clashed, it didn't work. We've seen it
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with Faster and some of his assistants that he had
didn't work. I'm comfortable as I've sat around Steve too
early and the Piece is a pretty scary character as
the CEO of n z ARE. But you were under
no illusions as to who was running the show. You
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knew it was Steve, no questions asked and insed. I
got called the Kremlin because of that. Well, he held
it together, good, bad or indifferent. And maybe with the
head coach who is definitely without a shadow of a doubt,
the boss who can pick all of his own assistants,
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regardless of whither being curried favor with previous and the piece,
this could be very very good. Be happy with the
super brains. Trust and do you trust this process? Busted
out dusk at a cliff, How are you?
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Good?
Speaker 11 (24:39):
Dark, Yeah, look I'm with you. You picked a head
coach don't worry about who he's picking as his assistant.
He goes in there and he confirms it with those
five James interviewing him, that he's the bee's knees, that
he's got it organized. He's got a plan for the
next two years to get the All Blacks back to
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speed to be the number one rank side going into
the next World Cup. He's going to do that at
the start. I don't care who he's going to take
with him, but he's going to be the man to
take it at the start. He's going there.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
He gets the job.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
Then he goes out and gets a team organized behind
him as squad of coaches. You know, he doesn't need twenty,
but he needs three or four good boats. You know.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
He wants to go on and present to them and say,
I am the man who's going to lead you to
the promised Land. I'm not relying on a group of
people to present to you. Now.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I worry about that.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Once I've been given the keys to the car, then
I'm going to drive it very hard.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
That's yeah.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
Well, what happened with with with Razor was he he
took two super rugby coaches and with him and then
as soon as he got the squad together and started
off playing, one of them felt, hey, this isn't what
I signed on for. He probably felt he wasn't number two.
He might have felt he was number four. Suddenly he
decided to go, and now then were in two years.
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The second joker, who may have thought he was number three,
found that he wasn't number three either, so he decides
to go. So end of the day, you've got to
have people that are going to support you whatever you do,
whatever you say. He's the head coach and his plan,
he directs it. He's the fellow that stands up there
on the whiteboard. The other guys got there and work
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with the players to do what the head coach wants.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
You know.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
The problem with I remember when Sara Elk Ferguson retired,
he groomed David Moyes to take over from him. David
Moy's got rid of all the backroom staff and hide
his own, and that felt the fell over and then
he was only there a short time, barly a season,
and he even seasoned, he was gone.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Fergus ran the show. So when you look I believe
that when Robertson first applied for the job. He didn't
come with a gang. He said, I'm going to do
it and I'll just get my people around me. Didn't work,
and that's hitting some blowback after that. But I'd like
to think that this time around there will be a
leader who presents as such. You pick me first. You
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don't pick me for the strength of my cooperative. You
pick me for the strength of me. I'll deal with
that afterwards. It is seven thirty six lines of open
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Speaker 2 (27:28):
Good process this.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Time around, a simple process.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
You like this.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Better?
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Still?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Do you like the idea of three head coaches with
one definitive head coach but three head coach experienced guys
coming in as a unit? Is one? Still count in
the program and talk to Matt Henry around the cracker.
We'll catch up with Camroyguard. Take more of your calls
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Talk ZENB. Pile of texts, bring back razors and a
few of those mars reckons. Too many strong personalities, here
that could be problematic. Foster in the mix would be
a stroke of genius. Is another ton of umang for
the assistant coaches. One more make the player associations with
the coach killer look back at history. So what disbanded
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them when we might win? Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie, Jason
Ryan attacked coach Jeff Wilson. We're just in a great
defense coach, that's my pick. Apparently they're saying god Anson
performed Paulie in the player reviews, so surely he's first
out the door. We don't know this Dewey for sure,
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but it might be. Pick a coach from the two
news in on rugby powerhouses and throw them together. It
works so well with Gris Wiley and John Hart. Yeah,
thank you. Glenda thinks it's a great idea, and Henry
can sider. Too many chiefs and all they want to
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do is say mate to each other. It's a point
of a thirty seven percent win rate for Dave Rennie.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Also totally indifferent. When Darcy, the Aussie locke with extreme
foul play did Quintupier's knee. I don't know how this works,
but would like to think it will right. I think
time now to talk a wee bit of cricket at
seven forty one.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
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Speaker 3 (30:11):
There's a big hello now to Matt Henry and you're
selling black Caps bowling spear head a head of the
Can you say, must win fourth T twenty against India?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Can you say that?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I thank every game you're going out there? Why aren't you?
Speaker 12 (30:25):
So the key thing for us is just to keep
edging in the right direction for obviously what's coming up. Yeah,
there's plenty of lessons to be from the first few games.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
What's the biggest lesson? Do you think what's one that
keeps you up at night? I mean, do you stay
awake at night worrying about what's going on or not?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (30:42):
Well, these games come thick and fast, so the ability
to probably to assess the game, take the lessons, also
looking at what you are doing well and then moving
forward and bending them into the next game. Obviously, the
pace of play has been one of the ways that
the Indian batting attack especially have come out of the
gates incredibly hard. So that's probably one of the big
ones that we've noticed. But the good thing is the
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boys are going into tonight confidence.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Have you got a master plan how to overcome that?
Because they have gone like wildfire, these guys out in
the middle. They are belting people to all quarters. What
can you actually do?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You much?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Do you feel helps in any stage?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Mad It'd be nice to have an extra fielder.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
But I think the thing is they hit your good
balls as well as if you're messing, so you just
it does highlight their accuracy piece, but as well as
just a sequence and sequences of bowling. I think understanding
trying to get a read on the game, and they've
been slightly hit so far, so for us is still
not over complicating it because I think for us as
being able to try to play some pressure and obviously
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the way they've come out pretty pressure free, really just
trying to put them under a little bit of pressure
and start making some mistakes.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Is there a ball you can bolt to these guys
that might result in a dart or or a wonder
you go for that like outside off York or is
there something you try and work through or is that
making it too simple?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Well? I think the key part.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
The best way to slow runs here in India anyways,
taking wickets. I think that's shown in the IPL the
last few years as well, because I've been a similar
trend in terms of the way batsmen are attacking power plays.
When you have two fielders out, guys are heading three
sixty now, So.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's about how do you.
Speaker 12 (32:23):
Actually stem the runs through getting the guys out, because
if you can do that, that's the way to put
them under pressure. So yeah, obviously dot balls and ones,
that's what I was supposed to talking about the sequences
of the overs and trying to put them under pressure
or start getting them guessing instead of.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
At the moment, they've been on pretty much.
Speaker 12 (32:40):
One trajectory of trying to suck as every single ball
and the decision making they've they've managed to execute it
a lot really.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So I'm presuming these decks are reasonably flat. Are they
like four mica?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (32:52):
They are flat, Obvious They've been quite joy the last
couple of games as well. So the balls just getting on,
but in terms of your pace changes, it makes them
probably less effective. So yeah, you've just got to be
slightly more accurate, I think as well for us you've
got to acknowledge when they're planning some good cricket and
then around what we can do better as well, just
to put them under more pressure or take the wickets.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
How much of this is on your shoulders?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Man?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You're seenior figure in this side. Do you do you
carry much of this?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Do you think?
Speaker 12 (33:20):
I think we're all on the same journey, aren't we.
We're all going into this trying to just get better
as cricketers and getting to a rhythm that's going to
be effective in this World Cup. And I think as
a senior bowler you're always looking to bowl the tough
overs and try to lead from the front. So yeah,
nothing will change from that that that point of things,
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and we've got to experienced group here and I think
from these two games will be better for it. Just
keep taking the lessons forward and yeah, keep moving on.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You're not going to tell me because you can't. But
they put Lucky up for media yesterday, So to me,
that says he's going to play. What's he been looking
like in the net since he's got there?
Speaker 12 (34:03):
Ah, Well we've been we've been travel play, travel play,
So I know there was a bit of a fitness
test yesterday, but that's all I really know.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
We'll find out more about selection and squads today.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So you don't let him rip in the hallway or
anything like that. I mean, you know you've got to
try something, don't you. As far as the coach is concerned,
what's the primary message that he's been delivering to you
guys in between flights and buses and games and sleep.
Speaker 10 (34:34):
Oh.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
I think for us as making sure we just keep
growing as a group and staying connected. I think that's
really important is Obviously, when you have a couple of
losses like that, it's easy to forget the good stuff
you're also doing, so making sure that we're still acknowledging
that and the lessons we're taking into these games. And
it's never nice being on the back of a couple
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of losses like that, But for us, it's making sure
we don't lose sight of the bigger picture. And you've
just got to make sure we're taking our lessons and
also building confidence on the things we are doing well.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Nobody is going to remember this series if you go
on to win the T twenty World Cup. You know that,
but we know what happened last time you had no
build up and it all fell apart very very fast.
So you talk about lessons, you talk about what you've
picked up so far. Has it been a worthwhile exercise
to date these three games, even though you've been well beaten.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oh, of course.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
And when you're playing cricket here in India, you're exposed
to different conditions everywhere you go, and I think we've
been playing on some small grounds with dewey conditions, so
that's something that we weren't I think you can only
take good lessons from really and then understanding that when
it comes to a World Cup time or whenever, even
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this game tonight, the conditions might present something different. I
know it's usually traditionally a small ground here as well
high scoring, so maybe it might be the same. But
the ability to adapt has always been I suppose our
strength and the more exposure to conditions and I suppose
of play can only be a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
And on that note, we thank you for your time,
Matt Henry. Also thank you for saying lessons and not learnings.
You'll go far.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Awesome cheers, no, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
Talks, it'd be Look, it's great for Matt Henry to
maybe wish. Yes, I've managed to develop a case of
the hiccups and the last thirty seconds I'd best shut up.
But really Matt Henry can have all the extra field
as he wants.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
But they keep getting hit for six.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That doesn't make any difference how many fields they've got
right right, that's eleven minutes away from eight.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
More of your calls coming up next.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Morris is going to join the show with more comments
on the coaching situation.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Does this news talks be I'm darting it out you.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Away from eight? Marcus Slash takes over the broadcasts just
after the latest in sport news and whether which is
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taken me through to midnight with Marcus last night. So
we go to the phones now at eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Very patient.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Morris has been.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Waiting talking about a cricket. Do you want to go
back to rugby again? Morris?
Speaker 9 (37:42):
Oh mate, I've just left to who are bit evid?
And it's all about the Rugby All Black coach. And
when you look at it, I think, if Jamie Joseph
gets the thing, you got to look at egos. And
Jamie does everything he's took in charge, and you wouldn't
argue with him, would you? Would you argue with Jamie Joseph.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
No, I was even scared of interviewing him. But I
mean I was a lot younger than I actually found
him to be very affable character. But when he is stern, no,
you don't. And that's like Steve Hanson, isn't it. I'm
the boss, Yes, yeah, and.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
There is no thing. So so then you look at
it right, So I don't think Dave Rennie wants to
be too ic, so you can cut those two out.
Then you've got to look at it. So I think,
you know, I think if Jamie gets a job, the
common sense approach to me, he would take his cousin
Leo McDonald because lee Are is actually not an ego.
He's actually a good bloke and he has a bit
of humility with him and they he will listen. And
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I think that whoever goes and coaches with Jamie Joson,
we have to have a little bit of respect. For him,
and that's where you're heading. And if he don't look
at the job, I'd say the only other option they've
got is Dave Rennie. And then you sit there and say, well,
who would go with Dave Rennie? And it could be waiting,
So it might come out of the closet because he
was because I've been success before. So either way, it's
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one of those two guys. And that just beans on
who's going to come with him and the process.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Did you trust this Marus? The fact that what they're
going to do now is they're saying, we want one
head coach. He needs to be this, this, this and
the other thing. Once we've got him, then will worry
about everything else. And it's old school, but it seems
apparent it's a It's an old school kind of game,
isn't it.
Speaker 9 (39:24):
If you look at what they've done. They've cleaned out
the closet. They've got rid of the woke PC nonsense
and the feelings and the own in so they're going
to go with whoever gets a job is going to
be in charge. And then they're going to sit and say, well,
who do you want? I want the Scott here. Then
you're going to justify why you have them. You just
don't get a free reign. And I think what we
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had last time, we had a free reign and unbroken
check because Razor was the man and what your head
of the circus.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
He didn't have people to choose from necessary because they'd
already joined up forces with someone else, so he couldn't
really do what he wanted. But you get the feeling
too with his own admission that he actually wasn't the
boss and then allows.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
You and that's a huge thing. You've got to have
someone you know, Look, Raham Henry was the your Breck
coach when he got the job right, no one else was.
He was in charge wayswith has left end and Steve
nz was his right hand. When when Steve Venson look over,
you know it was exactly the same left in the
right hand. And I think your biggest problem is that
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whoever runs the All Breds, and you've been around this
for a long long time, the All Brex has got
to be the most difficult.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
Team to coach in the world. Beau. He's got outstanding players,
You've got a whole lot of egos you've got to
deal with, and at the same time you get everyone
who's undermining because they want your job, and so when
you're actually looking at it, you actually have to have
a team of people who actually going to support you
in hints. Why when you look at Jamie's perspective, I
think you'll hit down the path. If he gets a job,
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you'll take the cousin with him because he'll ever hat
of faith and trust in them.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Right, well, trust is a big thing. But what do
you take the job?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
What do he wanted withouty two years to go before
before a World Cup? And now that it's been stated
that they have to be in New Zealan with international
coaching experience, that makes them in a very strong position
to go well on one of the few left. How
much have you got? It's only for two years, so
this horse trading might start shortly.
Speaker 9 (41:23):
I know Jamie Leasley well, and he'll sit and take
it because he thinks he'll do it and he'll be
dire for the next six or eight years or ten
years with us. Mate and Dave Ready will probably have
the same approach because they believe in themselves and the
good coaches both of them. Either way, either way you
look at it, they are good roosters. They you know,
and they'll do a wonderful job for the country. And
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I think that there there are a few. I don't
care what anyone says. I think they've done the right thing.
But who we get there's going to be a lottery
and where they go forward it's a matter of and
I think there's from a day of any perspective, there's
been a problem with who am I going to coach with?
Because it's you understand, that's any high performance sport. You've
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got the people you can trust.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, and that's why you get and Marris, we're got
to go. The music's running. Thank you very much for calling.
And there's nothing wrong with being woke either, just saying
it's better being asleep. Get the boss, give them the job,
and then go next one step at a time. Can
we trust that process? Maybe trust that process more than
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you get your best gang, and you can fight that
best gang. And suddenly you've got by a terrible, terrible
musical from the sixties, The West Side Story. We don't
want man, we don't want dancing. Do we really.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Not break dancing anymore? Anyway? That's it?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Marcus Luice coming up next, Marc's last night. So I'm
back again tomorrow. If you want to hear Cam roy
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I'm here through the light o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
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nicer and simple. The guest we have shortly is Gregor
Paul in New Zealand Herald Rugby writer, suggesting that maybe
a super group of coaches is the way to go
for the All Blacks, winding the process back to the
good old days and the likes of Wayne Smith and
Steve Hansen and Graham Henry. They're all sirs now, aren't
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They all helped New Zealand forge quite an impressive record
traout World Cup tom So we'll get your thoughts on
that after we hear it from Gregor Paul Matt. Henry's
going to join us. Fingers crossed on that one before
the fourth T twenty national versus Indy which gets underway.
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It's two thirty tomorrow morning, New Zealand at time, and
I caught it with cam at Roy Guard as well,
the man who's just re signed with New Zealand Rugby.
It's taken through to the end of twenty twenty nine.
That's the master plan. We should probably get a monkst
But before we do that, why don't.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
We do this sport today?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Then it's fort today dmat Damien ben Kenzie has offered.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
His sympathy for the former coach of the All Blacks,
Scott the disposable Rasor Robertson.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
He was out for a week or so back toth.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
It's a tough one right, it's see feeling pray and
like you said, the sport we play that, you know,
whatever happens for Raiser in the family next. Obviously watching
him the best and whatever comes in the future, but
obviously tough as as a coach when that happens.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
A black Cat's baseman lay Ferguson Magar banged up on
a regular basis. But fast bowlers are fast bowlers, right,
Bloody loves it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
All things going well and good.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean they put him up for media sign presuming
he's going to be playing overnight. He'll play for the
national side of the first time since November twenty twenty four.
He's up against what they are, aren't they the marauding
Indian team, But anyway back toward carcass that takes more
toll on the body, so hence sometimes you get injured.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But at the same time, I love bowling quick.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm pretty vocal about that and supporting the fast bowlers
who do bowl quirk. So it's something I'll keep working at.
YEP special breed four on the floor of the women's
semi finals for Australia don't have been confirmed. Verkina and
Pergola advanced through after today's at quarterfinal games. The second
seed this film Tech was bounced out of contention.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Not that happy.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
I'm not happy with the result. It was a high
intensity match and first it was Stay two points made
the difference in second set for sure. Like she improved, sir,
she was going for the shots and some it's got
much stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Her and Auckland FC coach Steve Corker is cool Worth
keeper Michael Vaud even after his howler last week which
handed victory to the Central Coast Mariners.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Obviously Mike has.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Been doing really well.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
He's made a couple of mistakes of late, loss of
focus as well, probably, but yeah, he's had a good
start to the season.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And that's sports today. It's ten after seven.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
We go now to Gregor Paul. He is a rugby
writer for the New Zealand Herald. Catchman ins heel dot
co dot n Z and today he penned an article
he joins us now, Gregor, welcome to the program. I
trust your.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Well, oh very well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's what I like to hear you write an interesting
story today. I mean they all are around the possibility,
because the flavor is all about the all black coaching staff,
the possibility of there being a t headed monster, a triumvirate,
if you will, at the front, leading the All Blacks
into the next World Cup, maybe not all at the
same time, but a thought process around how it might
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formulate the likes of a Foster and a Rennie and
a Jamie Joseph. Do you not talk us through where
this came from?
Speaker 8 (05:26):
Well, I think everyone likes the idea of a superpowered
coaching group, which is what really kind of changed the
trajectory everyone's favorite word at the moment of the All
Blacks back in two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
when Graham Henry was appointed and he took what was
at the time, I mean, I call it unusual powerful
pickure adjectives, I suppose decision when he said, look, he
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was given the job as head coach, and then he
said to New Zealand Rugby, the two guys I want
to be my assistant are Ween Smith, who himself was
a former All Blacks head coach of quite recent vintage,
and Steve Hansen, who was at the time coaching Wales
as the head coach. So this was the first time
we saw this come into play, this idea of you
you ramp up your coaching IP and you put egos aside,
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and you have a head coach, but you have really,
really gifted, ambitious, competent people to supplement your head coach
in assistant roles. Now, I think there's a way to
get back to that because I think in Jamie, Joseph
Dave an Ian Foster, you've got three guys, all of
whom have coached as head coaches international rugby teams. I
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think they've possibly and I don't know this, I'm speculating
that they've all got the necessary desire, a love of
the old lecks, to put aside any personal ambitions, egos,
sense of insecurities or whatever that needs to be gotten
over here for all three of them to work together
in a supercharged coaching team.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So the process of selection and they say trust the process,
but if the process is wrong, you can't trust it.
They've learned ends that are around the setup of recent times.
It's a gang warfare. This coach will come with his gang,
that coach is gang, and then we'll have a fight
and one guy gets the job. Or is this way
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around it's like we'll find a head coach, they'll find
their coaching team, hoping it leans towards something like you've suggested.
Is that realistic?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
The fault and you're right, they have identified where the
fault lay. And look, these things are often cyclical. What
works in one appointment process doesn't necessarily work four years
or eight years down the track. So you've always got
to be quite flexible and thinking about, you know, what
will work at this particular time. And the problem with
the previous process has been to your point, you get
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the kids, you put two kids in charge and say
you need to both pick a team, which they do.
But of course what happens is they both go and say, no,
you're in my team, which means you can't ever be
in the other guy's team. So when you Zella Noby
comes to a point the head coach under that process
has happened in twenty nineteen, you know, it wasn't feasible
for say Ian Foster, who got the job. There were
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a couple of guys assistants who had aligned themselves with
Scott Robertson, who was the other head coach candidate, and
as a result they were off limits to Foster. So
the net outcome here was you didn't get necessarily the
right guys into the right team, and a good guy
like Jason Ryan was initially not part of the all
black coaching team when he should have been given the
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impact he's had because he was the best forwards coach,
but he'd aligned himself with Scott Robertson. Robertson didn't get
the job at the time. Therefore Jason doesn't get to
be part of the all blacks are there. That was
a system that was deemed to punish the all Blacks
more than anyone else because you want to get the
right guys into the right jobs. Now this time, Ryan,
they've said, look, we've learned from that, so we're going
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to appoint a head coach first. We'll go through that
process and we all know what that looks like now.
And once they've got that person, they're then going to say, okay,
who do you want to work with? And I think
that will be a reasonably fluid collaborative process between the
appointed person, New Zealand Rugby's high performance group, the committee
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that's been set up to review the head coaching candidates
at the moment. All of these people will presumably have
some kind of feedback and role in this and the
outcome will hopefully be that in a collaborative way, whoever
is the head coach is going to be able to
end up with three or four people, whatever the number is.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I think we're.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Typically operating with a wider coaching group of five in total,
and they'll be able to say happy with that selection.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
To find roles absolutely key. We had problems with Robertson
where he wasn't necessarily coachingly to believe that he was
a culture coach more than anything else. In a situation
like this, you need a head coach who coaches, who
calls the shots, and he needs about a work with
the next level down. Well, how do we know that
the likes of Joseph and Areni and a Foster could
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work in goats with one head coach controlling this shots.
You mentioned ego before this comes into it, doesn't it?
And it's almost impossible to taste for.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Well, you can't. It's also a leap of faith to
some extent. I mean, guys will be sort of compatible
in terms of the style of rugby, their vision for
the game, their coaching styles. There will be a level
of compatibility in respect that they all need to hold
for one another, otherwise you can't get them all to
work together. But look, any coaching, good coaching system. If
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we take the Steve Hanson era, for example, twenty twelve
to two nineteen, he was undeniably, absolutely the head coach.
No one was ever under any allusions as to what
his job was. He was the head coach and he
operated with Ian Foster as an assistant. Mike crom was
a forwards coach. Fozzy basically did the attack. He had
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a defense coach who was Wayne Smith for periods, got
MacLeod at other periods. And look, it was a really defined,
clear structure. If you get a really client to fit
a structure where the head coach is in charge, everyone
knows that, everyone respects that, everyone understands what their role
is around that person being the head coach, really clear
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job descriptions. You are the attack coach, you and these
are your responsibilities. You are the forwards coach. Here's what
you do. You are the defense coach, here's what you do.
As long as that is all really laid out and
there's no ambiguity, there's no gray areas, no one's coming
in on their illusions about what they may and may
not be doing.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They all get it.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
Then they can make a decision about whether they want
to take on those roles. And I mean that in
the sense that if you've been a head coach previously
and you're coming into the all black environment and you're
being asked to be an assistant coach, well you just
have to accept that's your role, and you've got to
know when to defer to the head coach. You've got
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to know how to not undermine the head coach. You've
got to know when to support the head coach. All
these things. But you've got to take a leap of
faith here that good people, good coaches, even if there
have been head coaches, will understand that they're coming into
an environment where the team and winning and performing well
are the only things that really matter. So your personal
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ambitions get put to one side and you fit into
what you're being asked to fit into, and.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Faster could fit into that. He's done it before enough
water has gone under the bridge. In fact, the bridge
has been washed away. Now. As far as people were
involved in in z are that helped with the can
I say downfall of bean Fossil. I don't think we're
an issue here. Reny v Joseph one to be their head,
another to work underneath them, possibly as far as you know,
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with the egos of these guys and how they operate.
That's not out of the question.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
Right, Well, I wouldn't have thought so. But I don't
know enough about their background, their history. You know, I
don't know how much interaction they've had with one another.
I assume a reasonable amount because they've overlapped in time. Look,
New Zealand's small, isn't it. So usually these guys have
all had a reasonable amount of activity in some capacity
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with one another. I think the bigger question, Darcy is,
let's just go through a scenario here. Say Jamie Joseph
has made head coach and everyone goes, oh cool, that's great,
and he really wants to work with Dave, and Dave
says like, I'm really keen to do it too. You've
then got to ask, well, what will his job be?
You know, it's not about compatibility, it's not about respect
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for one another. It is he needs to have a portfolio.
And as a guy who has been a head coach consistently,
I think since twenty twelve when he started with the Chiefs,
he was a head coach there, head coach with Glasgow,
head coach with Australia, head coach with Cobby, he may
not have necessarily done a huge amount of hands on.
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Say he's asked to do the attack, he may not
have you know, planned the attack week to the detail
that the all blacks require. He may not sort of
have driven that on the training field. As such, there's
quite a high degree of you know, specific technical coaching
that goes into these rules. Now that's not to say
that it would be beyond you know, Dave's skill set
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or ability to get up to speed, but there would
have to be a reality check here and say, well,
he might need to take a moment and think whether
he you know, whether he has the desire of the
willpower and the ability to invest the time that he's
going to need to make sure that comes to life.
That's the job that he takes. That he is you
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know that he is right on top of the detail.
He's right on top of everything, because it's not as
easy as it looks apparently not.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Gregor Paul, thank you very much for your time and insight.
To Gregor, to Rugby writer for Inside here dot co
dot Inzeed, if you'd like to check that article out
and fall by all means please do so. Are the
essence of that chat, Well, there's two ways. First way,
if you look at it, it's this process actually right.
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If they finally got it right, very simple question. I
can muddy the waters later on, but in this one.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Have they got the right process?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Rugby and Ellen's Ellen Rugby finally worked out this is
the best way to do it. Get your head coach first.
Worry about everything else later on. Get your head coach first.
And I think that makes perfect sense because, after all,
as Gregor mentioned, that coach runs the show. He's got
to be once the iron fist, but he needs to
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be in charge of what's going on. Then the next
question of this, if this was to occur and Rennie
or or Joseph I doubt faster would come back in
that head coach roll, would they get that? Would you
be comfortable with essentially a triple aheaded threat. Would you
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be comfortable with one head coach to rule them all
and bringing in former head coaches as assistants. Does that
sit well with you? My only issue on that, as
we discussed, is the tyranny of ego. Now, if they
can work that out and there's not too many big
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swinging members standing around in the changing rooms, they should
be able to get it done. So first up, answer
me this if they've got the process right, because we
get told to trust the process. I've been banging on
about this for the last couple of weeks. But the
process is wrong. How can you trust it?
Speaker 8 (16:49):
So?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Is the process right? With the selection of the All
Blacks coach, oh eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty
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going well and good? Are we word from mcam roy
guard as well?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Give us a ring? Lines open?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Can you trust this process?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yes?
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Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's goss straight to the phones. That the primary question
here is trusting process. Is this process you can trust
because what's happened before in New Zealand rugby over the
last argue four six years, the process hasn't been great
and I don't know if any of us could trust
what was going on at that upper level. So now
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it's been clearly laid out. Get the coach first. You
know what the coach has to do, parameterize. Do you
trust that process? Did they?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
How are you did?
Speaker 10 (18:23):
A Darcy? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It's always about going forward in this industry.
Speaker 10 (18:27):
Dan, Very good? Hey, Darcy. I think the process is right.
But my question is why does the board allow the
head coach to select as assistance? And I'll give you
an example. They let Scott Robertson peck his assistance and
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how did that go for him?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well back in the day, see Dan, they came together,
as Gregor was explaining before, they had to get together
a team, a group, a gang, and said, Okay, I'm
going to be the head coach. These are the men
I've selected around me. He's my assistant coach, my backs coach,
my forward's coach, my haircut coach, whatever. And then they
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presented New Zealand Rugby and said this is our team
to take the all blacks forward, and then another team said, roll,
I've got this guy, this guy, this guy, and I'm
going to be the coach. So when they packed one
of those teams, if the best assistant was with the
other team, suddenly he was out on the outer and
he couldn't be picked. So this way they picked one coach.
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Once the coach is settled, then they start looking at
their assistance. So that's how they've changed a process.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, I would like to think.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
So I think that it is a brilliant idea, Darcy
and hold on, Dan, So that is a brilliant idea.
But how much author to your autonomy does the head
coach over his assistance? And if the head coach doesn't
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like his assistance, that.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Means he'll pick his assistance, and he'll pick his assistance
from a clean slate. Gregor was saying before Jason Ryan
was on the wrong side, he was worth Scott Robertson
eventually in faster said well, actually Holding is a really.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Good forces coach.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I want him on on my gang. So they got him,
but initially they couldn't. And and as Gregor was saying,
around this, when you've got an autonomous head coach, a
man that everybody knows is boss. He's not just going well,
maybe talk to this blokes we dropped to you, maybe
talked to that one there. There is no forward thinking
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with that Steve Hansen, there was no doubt who ran
the show. He was the head coach and he made
the rules and he made the calls and his head
was on the block and that So this is not
a new idea. They need to maybe go go back
and maybe that's what they'll get the best out of
these players.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Thank you very much starting and have a good night.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I will Dan, thank you very much for making the
call at eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. This
is news.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Talk zeb your call.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Please.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We will talk to.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Matt Henry before the cricket later on in the piece.
So this seems like it's nothing new, right, It's a
it's a fairly simple process. Let's find the coach and
then he'll get his own gang together and go forward.
If it is to be a super team, if you
will have coaches I maybe Reny, maybe Foster, maybe Jamie Joseph,
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all guys with a lot of head coaching experience, would
that sit comfortably with you out there as all black fans.
They haven't heard enough from anyone because planning, none of
these partent coaches want to say anything might get themselves
into the stripes, so we try and call and get
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them on. I'd like to think.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That two of the three.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Well, it's not going to be Foster, is it. He's
had his crack, But I think he loves the side
so much that now that all the debris from the
previous regime has been washed away, he may well come
back in an assistant coach role. I don't see his
ego getting in the way. I think he'd be very
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key part of that team. As for Joseph and Rennie
has just pointed out, Rennie there's been a head coach
now since what twenty twelve, So whether he can specialize
in a particular area that would assist the greater good
With all this hype this guy has got throughout rugby coaching,
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could he sit back in that role again comfortably like
he might get the head coach roll. Could Jamie Joseph
sit in that role comfortably? And what is the dynamic
like between Rennie and Joseph. I'm sure they respect each other,
they probably know each other, but would they work comfortably
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together as a unit as one, because they've seen in
recent times two great coaches running together don't necessarily work
so well, or even two not great coaches, but two
coach coaches. And we saw that with Leo McDonald and
Raiser Robinson it clashed, it didn't work. We've seen it
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with Faster and some of his assistants that he had
didn't work. I'm comfortable as I've sat around Steve too
early and the Piece is a pretty scary character as
the CEO of n z ARE. But you were under
no illusions as to who was running the show. You
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knew it was Steve, no questions asked and insed. I
got called the Kremlin because of that. Well, he held
it together, good, bad or indifferent. And maybe with the
head coach who is definitely without a shadow of a doubt,
the boss who can pick all of his own assistants,
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regardless of whither being curried favor with previous and the piece,
this could be very very good. Be happy with the
super brains. Trust and do you trust this process? Busted
out dusk at a cliff, How are you?
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Good?
Speaker 11 (24:39):
Dark, Yeah, look I'm with you. You picked a head
coach don't worry about who he's picking as his assistant.
He goes in there and he confirms it with those
five James interviewing him, that he's the bee's knees, that
he's got it organized. He's got a plan for the
next two years to get the All Blacks back to
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speed to be the number one rank side going into
the next World Cup. He's going to do that at
the start. I don't care who he's going to take
with him, but he's going to be the man to
take it at the start. He's going there.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
He gets the job.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
Then he goes out and gets a team organized behind
him as squad of coaches. You know, he doesn't need twenty,
but he needs three or four good boats. You know.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
He wants to go on and present to them and say,
I am the man who's going to lead you to
the promised Land. I'm not relying on a group of
people to present to you. Now.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I worry about that.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Once I've been given the keys to the car, then
I'm going to drive it very hard.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
That's yeah.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
Well, what happened with with with Razor was he he
took two super rugby coaches and with him and then
as soon as he got the squad together and started
off playing, one of them felt, hey, this isn't what
I signed on for. He probably felt he wasn't number two.
He might have felt he was number four. Suddenly he
decided to go, and now then were in two years.
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The second joker, who may have thought he was number three,
found that he wasn't number three either, so he decides
to go. So end of the day, you've got to
have people that are going to support you whatever you do,
whatever you say. He's the head coach and his plan,
he directs it. He's the fellow that stands up there
on the whiteboard. The other guys got there and work
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with the players to do what the head coach wants.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
You know.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
The problem with I remember when Sara Elk Ferguson retired,
he groomed David Moyes to take over from him. David
Moy's got rid of all the backroom staff and hide
his own, and that felt the fell over and then
he was only there a short time, barly a season,
and he even seasoned, he was gone.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Fergus ran the show. So when you look I believe
that when Robertson first applied for the job. He didn't
come with a gang. He said, I'm going to do
it and I'll just get my people around me. Didn't work,
and that's hitting some blowback after that. But I'd like
to think that this time around there will be a
leader who presents as such. You pick me first. You
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don't pick me for the strength of my cooperative. You
pick me for the strength of me. I'll deal with
that afterwards. It is seven thirty six lines of open
O eighte hundred and eighty ten eighties News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Good process this.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Time around, a simple process.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
You like this.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Better?
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Still?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Do you like the idea of three head coaches with
one definitive head coach but three head coach experienced guys
coming in as a unit? Is one? Still count in
the program and talk to Matt Henry around the cracker.
We'll catch up with Camroyguard. Take more of your calls
your text nineteen ninety two ZBZB it was a call
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in twenty minutes to eight sports talk caer on News
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Talk ZENB. Pile of texts, bring back razors and a
few of those mars reckons. Too many strong personalities, here
that could be problematic. Foster in the mix would be
a stroke of genius. Is another ton of umang for
the assistant coaches. One more make the player associations with
the coach killer look back at history. So what disbanded
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them when we might win? Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie, Jason
Ryan attacked coach Jeff Wilson. We're just in a great
defense coach, that's my pick. Apparently they're saying god Anson
performed Paulie in the player reviews, so surely he's first
out the door. We don't know this Dewey for sure,
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but it might be. Pick a coach from the two
news in on rugby powerhouses and throw them together. It
works so well with Gris Wiley and John Hart. Yeah,
thank you. Glenda thinks it's a great idea, and Henry
can sider. Too many chiefs and all they want to
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do is say mate to each other. It's a point
of a thirty seven percent win rate for Dave Rennie.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Also totally indifferent. When Darcy, the Aussie locke with extreme
foul play did Quintupier's knee. I don't know how this works,
but would like to think it will right. I think
time now to talk a wee bit of cricket at
seven forty one.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Forget the riff's call. You make the call on eight
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talks.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
There's a big hello now to Matt Henry and you're
selling black Caps bowling spear head a head of the
Can you say, must win fourth T twenty against India?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Can you say that?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I thank every game you're going out there? Why aren't you?
Speaker 12 (30:25):
So the key thing for us is just to keep
edging in the right direction for obviously what's coming up. Yeah,
there's plenty of lessons to be from the first few games.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
What's the biggest lesson? Do you think what's one that
keeps you up at night? I mean, do you stay
awake at night worrying about what's going on or not?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (30:42):
Well, these games come thick and fast, so the ability
to probably to assess the game, take the lessons, also
looking at what you are doing well and then moving
forward and bending them into the next game. Obviously, the
pace of play has been one of the ways that
the Indian batting attack especially have come out of the
gates incredibly hard. So that's probably one of the big
ones that we've noticed. But the good thing is the
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boys are going into tonight confidence.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Have you got a master plan how to overcome that?
Because they have gone like wildfire, these guys out in
the middle. They are belting people to all quarters. What
can you actually do?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You much?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Do you feel helps in any stage?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Mad It'd be nice to have an extra fielder.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
But I think the thing is they hit your good
balls as well as if you're messing, so you just
it does highlight their accuracy piece, but as well as
just a sequence and sequences of bowling. I think understanding
trying to get a read on the game, and they've
been slightly hit so far, so for us is still
not over complicating it because I think for us as
being able to try to play some pressure and obviously
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the way they've come out pretty pressure free, really just
trying to put them under a little bit of pressure
and start making some mistakes.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Is there a ball you can bolt to these guys
that might result in a dart or or a wonder
you go for that like outside off York or is
there something you try and work through or is that
making it too simple?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Well? I think the key part.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
The best way to slow runs here in India anyways,
taking wickets. I think that's shown in the IPL the
last few years as well, because I've been a similar
trend in terms of the way batsmen are attacking power plays.
When you have two fielders out, guys are heading three
sixty now, So.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's about how do you.
Speaker 12 (32:23):
Actually stem the runs through getting the guys out, because
if you can do that, that's the way to put
them under pressure. So yeah, obviously dot balls and ones,
that's what I was supposed to talking about the sequences
of the overs and trying to put them under pressure
or start getting them guessing instead of.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
At the moment, they've been on pretty much.
Speaker 12 (32:40):
One trajectory of trying to suck as every single ball
and the decision making they've they've managed to execute it
a lot really.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So I'm presuming these decks are reasonably flat. Are they
like four mica?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (32:52):
They are flat, Obvious They've been quite joy the last
couple of games as well. So the balls just getting on,
but in terms of your pace changes, it makes them
probably less effective. So yeah, you've just got to be
slightly more accurate, I think as well for us you've
got to acknowledge when they're planning some good cricket and
then around what we can do better as well, just
to put them under more pressure or take the wickets.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
How much of this is on your shoulders?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Man?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You're seenior figure in this side. Do you do you
carry much of this?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Do you think?
Speaker 12 (33:20):
I think we're all on the same journey, aren't we.
We're all going into this trying to just get better
as cricketers and getting to a rhythm that's going to
be effective in this World Cup. And I think as
a senior bowler you're always looking to bowl the tough
overs and try to lead from the front. So yeah,
nothing will change from that that that point of things,
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and we've got to experienced group here and I think
from these two games will be better for it. Just
keep taking the lessons forward and yeah, keep moving on.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You're not going to tell me because you can't. But
they put Lucky up for media yesterday, So to me,
that says he's going to play. What's he been looking
like in the net since he's got there?
Speaker 12 (34:03):
Ah, Well we've been we've been travel play, travel play,
So I know there was a bit of a fitness
test yesterday, but that's all I really know.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
We'll find out more about selection and squads today.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So you don't let him rip in the hallway or
anything like that. I mean, you know you've got to
try something, don't you. As far as the coach is concerned,
what's the primary message that he's been delivering to you
guys in between flights and buses and games and sleep.
Speaker 10 (34:34):
Oh.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
I think for us as making sure we just keep
growing as a group and staying connected. I think that's
really important is Obviously, when you have a couple of
losses like that, it's easy to forget the good stuff
you're also doing, so making sure that we're still acknowledging
that and the lessons we're taking into these games. And
it's never nice being on the back of a couple
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of losses like that, But for us, it's making sure
we don't lose sight of the bigger picture. And you've
just got to make sure we're taking our lessons and
also building confidence on the things we are doing well.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Nobody is going to remember this series if you go
on to win the T twenty World Cup. You know that,
but we know what happened last time you had no
build up and it all fell apart very very fast.
So you talk about lessons, you talk about what you've
picked up so far. Has it been a worthwhile exercise
to date these three games, even though you've been well beaten.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oh, of course.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
And when you're playing cricket here in India, you're exposed
to different conditions everywhere you go, and I think we've
been playing on some small grounds with dewey conditions, so
that's something that we weren't I think you can only
take good lessons from really and then understanding that when
it comes to a World Cup time or whenever, even
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this game tonight, the conditions might present something different. I
know it's usually traditionally a small ground here as well
high scoring, so maybe it might be the same. But
the ability to adapt has always been I suppose our
strength and the more exposure to conditions and I suppose
of play can only be a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
And on that note, we thank you for your time,
Matt Henry. Also thank you for saying lessons and not learnings.
You'll go far.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Awesome cheers, no, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
Talks, it'd be Look, it's great for Matt Henry to
maybe wish. Yes, I've managed to develop a case of
the hiccups and the last thirty seconds I'd best shut up.
But really Matt Henry can have all the extra field
as he wants.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
But they keep getting hit for six.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That doesn't make any difference how many fields they've got
right right, that's eleven minutes away from eight.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
More of your calls coming up next.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Morris is going to join the show with more comments
on the coaching situation.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Does this news talks be I'm darting it out you.
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Away from eight? Marcus Slash takes over the broadcasts just
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we go to the phones now at eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Very patient.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Morris has been.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Waiting talking about a cricket. Do you want to go
back to rugby again? Morris?
Speaker 9 (37:42):
Oh mate, I've just left to who are bit evid?
And it's all about the Rugby All Black coach. And
when you look at it, I think, if Jamie Joseph
gets the thing, you got to look at egos. And
Jamie does everything he's took in charge, and you wouldn't
argue with him, would you? Would you argue with Jamie Joseph.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
No, I was even scared of interviewing him. But I
mean I was a lot younger than I actually found
him to be very affable character. But when he is stern, no,
you don't. And that's like Steve Hanson, isn't it. I'm
the boss, Yes, yeah, and.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
There is no thing. So so then you look at
it right, So I don't think Dave Rennie wants to
be too ic, so you can cut those two out.
Then you've got to look at it. So I think,
you know, I think if Jamie gets a job, the
common sense approach to me, he would take his cousin
Leo McDonald because lee Are is actually not an ego.
He's actually a good bloke and he has a bit
of humility with him and they he will listen. And
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I think that whoever goes and coaches with Jamie Joson,
we have to have a little bit of respect. For him,
and that's where you're heading. And if he don't look
at the job, I'd say the only other option they've
got is Dave Rennie. And then you sit there and say, well,
who would go with Dave Rennie? And it could be waiting,
So it might come out of the closet because he
was because I've been success before. So either way, it's
(39:02):
one of those two guys. And that just beans on
who's going to come with him and the process.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Did you trust this Marus? The fact that what they're
going to do now is they're saying, we want one
head coach. He needs to be this, this, this and
the other thing. Once we've got him, then will worry
about everything else. And it's old school, but it seems
apparent it's a It's an old school kind of game,
isn't it.
Speaker 9 (39:24):
If you look at what they've done. They've cleaned out
the closet. They've got rid of the woke PC nonsense
and the feelings and the own in so they're going
to go with whoever gets a job is going to
be in charge. And then they're going to sit and say, well,
who do you want? I want the Scott here. Then
you're going to justify why you have them. You just
don't get a free reign. And I think what we
(39:44):
had last time, we had a free reign and unbroken
check because Razor was the man and what your head
of the circus.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
He didn't have people to choose from necessary because they'd
already joined up forces with someone else, so he couldn't
really do what he wanted. But you get the feeling
too with his own admission that he actually wasn't the
boss and then allows.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
You and that's a huge thing. You've got to have
someone you know, Look, Raham Henry was the your Breck
coach when he got the job right, no one else was.
He was in charge wayswith has left end and Steve
nz was his right hand. When when Steve Venson look over,
you know it was exactly the same left in the
right hand. And I think your biggest problem is that
(40:30):
whoever runs the All Breds, and you've been around this
for a long long time, the All Brex has got
to be the most difficult.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
Team to coach in the world. Beau. He's got outstanding players,
You've got a whole lot of egos you've got to
deal with, and at the same time you get everyone
who's undermining because they want your job, and so when
you're actually looking at it, you actually have to have
a team of people who actually going to support you
in hints. Why when you look at Jamie's perspective, I
think you'll hit down the path. If he gets a job,
(40:58):
you'll take the cousin with him because he'll ever hat
of faith and trust in them.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Right, well, trust is a big thing. But what do
you take the job?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
What do he wanted withouty two years to go before
before a World Cup? And now that it's been stated
that they have to be in New Zealan with international
coaching experience, that makes them in a very strong position
to go well on one of the few left. How
much have you got? It's only for two years, so
this horse trading might start shortly.
Speaker 9 (41:23):
I know Jamie Leasley well, and he'll sit and take
it because he thinks he'll do it and he'll be
dire for the next six or eight years or ten
years with us. Mate and Dave Ready will probably have
the same approach because they believe in themselves and the
good coaches both of them. Either way, either way you
look at it, they are good roosters. They you know,
and they'll do a wonderful job for the country. And
(41:43):
I think that there there are a few. I don't
care what anyone says. I think they've done the right thing.
But who we get there's going to be a lottery
and where they go forward it's a matter of and
I think there's from a day of any perspective, there's
been a problem with who am I going to coach with?
Because it's you understand, that's any high performance sport. You've
(42:04):
got the people you can trust.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, and that's why you get and Marris, we're got
to go. The music's running. Thank you very much for calling.
And there's nothing wrong with being woke either, just saying
it's better being asleep. Get the boss, give them the job,
and then go next one step at a time. Can
we trust that process? Maybe trust that process more than
(42:29):
you get your best gang, and you can fight that
best gang. And suddenly you've got by a terrible, terrible
musical from the sixties, The West Side Story. We don't
want man, we don't want dancing. Do we really.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Not break dancing anymore? Anyway? That's it?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Marcus Luice coming up next, Marc's last night. So I'm
back again tomorrow. If you want to hear Cam roy
Gard The Fixed podcast, download it from all your favorite
podcast areas you can hear it there.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
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