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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast
more what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Bill O'Reilly has done it again with his partner Martin
Duggard and the new books in his Killing series, which
is Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of Celebrity.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Who are the three legends you look at in this book?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
So we're worried about Elvis Presley, John Lennon and Muhammad
Ali Lee. The reason is that these three men changed
American culture. So Elvis Preslee comes on the scene in
the nineteen fifties, poor Mississippi truck driver, unbelievable talent, and
in the space of six minutes on The Sullivan Show,
(00:48):
he changes a culture of conformity which we had in
the United States after World War Two into rock rebellion, boom,
everything up. One man did it, one man, and it's
an amazing historical story. Then, of course, the Beatles come
in in sixty four and they bring in sex, drugs,
(01:12):
rock and roll, which we have now. I mean, we're
still living in that culture. And Muhammad Ali is the
culture of descent. He refuses to go into the armed
forces during the Vietnam War, that raises the protests everywhere.
And so these three guys, they influenced the American culture
(01:33):
to an extent that I couldn't find any other people
who did as much as they did to change our culture.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Bill O'Reilly, Killing the Legends, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. Uniquely,
each of these legends also burned out in a very
similar way.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, they were all betrayed. They all couldn't handle their fame.
They got crushed by it, which is not unusually. Once
you become a superstar, your whole life changes. People want
stuff from you, some people threaten you. John Lennon's assassinated,
and you have to be a strong person with a
(02:14):
strong supports system to cope with that. And these guys
didn't have that, none of them, and so they found
themselves drowning, and their celebrity actually killed them.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Bill O'Reilly, he's talking about Killing the Legends. The book
is out now, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. I love
the Killing series, Bill, because you and Martin Duggart get
into the details of perspective. You're not guilty of presentism,
and you know what I mean by that a lot
of people have been talking about it lately.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We try to give people if you read all twelve
Killing books Lee and we have them all bundled on
Bill O'Reilly dot com for Christmas, which is phenomenal gift
if you're a reader and you want to know about
your country. What we try to do we take all
politics out, all of the nonsense has spin. It just
(03:12):
here's what happened. So whether it be killing the mob,
organized crime, killing the killers, terrorists, killing the legends, how
the culture changes, killing Crazy Horse, the Indian Wars, whatever,
maybe here's what happens, and we do it in an
entertaining way. So it's not like you're bored and you're
got or I have to read this now. It's like
you want to read it. We're keeping you up at night.
(03:34):
And that's why this is the most successful nonfiction book
series in history. And we're you know, very proud of
Killing the Legends, and we hope people check it out
for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Bill O'Reilly Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of celebrity.
What do you think these three legends have taught modern
celebrities about how it is to handle celebrity.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, it's going on. I mean, the amount of people
who have just been destroyed by celebrity. I mean, you know,
the list is just endless, beginning with Marilyn Monroe and
then you know, all the way up to Nirvana, the
guy out in Seattle. I mean, it's just it's so many.
And you have a situation in America now where you've
(04:19):
got a lot of crazy people. Look at the Nancy
Pelosi break into San Francisco. I mean, you've got a
lot of crazy people. And if you're famous, you really
have to be aware of everything you do, everywhere you go.
You've got to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Bill O'Reilly killing the legends the lethal danger of celebrity.
And I want to touch again on the details, right
down to things that never occurred to people. For instance,
how Muhammad Ali's body needed such special care after he
died because of his faith.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean we get into all of those details.
I think people like those when they're reading a book.
So Mohammed Ali, he became an adherent to the Nation
of Islam. That's Lewis Farakahn. Now, so that gives you
some idea of how militant de group was. I met him,
and he never came I never got the feeling that
(05:17):
he hated white people or anything like that. But when
he gave his whole life over to the Nation of Islam,
they exploited him, just like Tom Parker exploited Elvis, took
a lot of his money, but he always you know,
he didn't rebel. He stayed there till the end. And
then when he died in Phoenix, Arizona, but he died along.
(05:37):
He died long before that by being in the ring
so long, by you know, the black militants wanting him
to fight because of money. He destroyed his brain, and
that is the theme. It's it's heartbreaking to really because
this guy was such an amazing athlete, but that's what
(05:58):
happened to him.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I agree with you too about the Beatles, sex, drugs,
and rock and roll culture, because I've often looked back
on rock and roll history and seen there was a
drastic change between nineteen fifty four and nineteen fifty nine
in American music, and another drastic change between nineteen fifty
nine and nineteen sixty four. But I haven't seen a
huge drastic change in music since then.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, rap and all of that. I think that I
don't call that music so much. Maybe I'm, you know,
out of it. I'm an old guy now, but that
changed a lot of the culture because it became more
crass with the wording and the themes of some of
these songs, particularly speaking to poor minority children. And you
(06:44):
know that. Look, the Beatles tremendous music. They freaked out
at the end. They all got involved with drugs. But
Lenin actually became a heroin and that's what broke up
the Beatles. Very few people know that we go through
it and Killing the Legends, but their music was good
and I didn't think it was harmful, even though they
(07:05):
were doing Lucy and the Sky with diamonds and all
that LSD. I thought generally speaking it was okay. But
now in that music industry there's a lot of garbage.
It's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Bill O'Reilly along with Martin Duggart, his research partner, writing
Killing the Legends, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity available everywhere.
And if I don't get a chance to tell you
happy holidays, Bill.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
O'Reilly, thank you, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.
We really appreciate you having us in.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews the Lee
Matthews Podcast, And remember to Listen to The Drive Live
weekday afternoons from five to seven and iHeartMedia presentation
This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast
more what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Bill O'Reilly has done it again with his partner Martin
Duggard and the new books in his Killing series, which
is Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of Celebrity.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Who are the three legends you look at in this book?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
So we're worried about Elvis Presley, John Lennon and Muhammad
Ali Lee. The reason is that these three men changed
American culture. So Elvis Preslee comes on the scene in
the nineteen fifties, poor Mississippi truck driver, unbelievable talent, and
in the space of six minutes on The Sullivan Show,
(00:48):
he changes a culture of conformity which we had in
the United States after World War Two into rock rebellion, boom,
everything up. One man did it, one man, and it's
an amazing historical story. Then, of course, the Beatles come
in in sixty four and they bring in sex, drugs,
(01:12):
rock and roll, which we have now. I mean, we're
still living in that culture. And Muhammad Ali is the
culture of descent. He refuses to go into the armed
forces during the Vietnam War, that raises the protests everywhere.
And so these three guys, they influenced the American culture
(01:33):
to an extent that I couldn't find any other people
who did as much as they did to change our culture.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Bill O'Reilly, Killing the Legends, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. Uniquely,
each of these legends also burned out in a very
similar way.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, they were all betrayed. They all couldn't handle their fame.
They got crushed by it, which is not unusually. Once
you become a superstar, your whole life changes. People want
stuff from you, some people threaten you. John Lennon's assassinated,
and you have to be a strong person with a
(02:14):
strong supports system to cope with that. And these guys
didn't have that, none of them, and so they found
themselves drowning, and their celebrity actually killed them.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Bill O'Reilly, he's talking about Killing the Legends. The book
is out now, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. I love
the Killing series, Bill, because you and Martin Duggart get
into the details of perspective. You're not guilty of presentism,
and you know what I mean by that a lot
of people have been talking about it lately.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We try to give people if you read all twelve
Killing books Lee and we have them all bundled on
Bill O'Reilly dot com for Christmas, which is phenomenal gift
if you're a reader and you want to know about
your country. What we try to do we take all
politics out, all of the nonsense has spin. It just
(03:12):
here's what happened. So whether it be killing the mob,
organized crime, killing the killers, terrorists, killing the legends, how
the culture changes, killing Crazy Horse, the Indian Wars, whatever,
maybe here's what happens, and we do it in an
entertaining way. So it's not like you're bored and you're
got or I have to read this now. It's like
you want to read it. We're keeping you up at night.
(03:34):
And that's why this is the most successful nonfiction book
series in history. And we're you know, very proud of
Killing the Legends, and we hope people check it out
for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Bill O'Reilly Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of celebrity.
What do you think these three legends have taught modern
celebrities about how it is to handle celebrity.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, it's going on. I mean, the amount of people
who have just been destroyed by celebrity. I mean, you know,
the list is just endless, beginning with Marilyn Monroe and
then you know, all the way up to Nirvana, the
guy out in Seattle. I mean, it's just it's so many.
And you have a situation in America now where you've
(04:19):
got a lot of crazy people. Look at the Nancy
Pelosi break into San Francisco. I mean, you've got a
lot of crazy people. And if you're famous, you really
have to be aware of everything you do, everywhere you go.
You've got to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Bill O'Reilly killing the legends the lethal danger of celebrity.
And I want to touch again on the details, right
down to things that never occurred to people. For instance,
how Muhammad Ali's body needed such special care after he
died because of his faith.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean we get into all of those details.
I think people like those when they're reading a book.
So Mohammed Ali, he became an adherent to the Nation
of Islam. That's Lewis Farakahn. Now, so that gives you
some idea of how militant de group was. I met him,
and he never came I never got the feeling that
(05:17):
he hated white people or anything like that. But when
he gave his whole life over to the Nation of Islam,
they exploited him, just like Tom Parker exploited Elvis, took
a lot of his money, but he always you know,
he didn't rebel. He stayed there till the end. And
then when he died in Phoenix, Arizona, but he died along.
(05:37):
He died long before that by being in the ring
so long, by you know, the black militants wanting him
to fight because of money. He destroyed his brain, and
that is the theme. It's it's heartbreaking to really because
this guy was such an amazing athlete, but that's what
(05:58):
happened to him.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I agree with you too about the Beatles, sex, drugs,
and rock and roll culture, because I've often looked back
on rock and roll history and seen there was a
drastic change between nineteen fifty four and nineteen fifty nine
in American music, and another drastic change between nineteen fifty
nine and nineteen sixty four. But I haven't seen a
huge drastic change in music since then.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, rap and all of that. I think that I
don't call that music so much. Maybe I'm, you know,
out of it. I'm an old guy now, but that
changed a lot of the culture because it became more
crass with the wording and the themes of some of
these songs, particularly speaking to poor minority children. And you
(06:44):
know that. Look, the Beatles tremendous music. They freaked out
at the end. They all got involved with drugs. But
Lenin actually became a heroin and that's what broke up
the Beatles. Very few people know that we go through
it and Killing the Legends, but their music was good
and I didn't think it was harmful, even though they
(07:05):
were doing Lucy and the Sky with diamonds and all
that LSD. I thought generally speaking it was okay. But
now in that music industry there's a lot of garbage.
It's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Bill O'Reilly along with Martin Duggart, his research partner, writing
Killing the Legends, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity available everywhere.
And if I don't get a chance to tell you
happy holidays, Bill.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
O'Reilly, thank you, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.
We really appreciate you having us in.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews the Lee
Matthews Podcast, And remember to Listen to The Drive Live
weekday afternoons from five to seven and iHeartMedia presentation
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