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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast
more what you Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Luis lou Alessando is a former head of the Advanced
Aerospace Threat Identification Program AATIP at the Pentagon, and they
researched UFOs, now known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon Because, as
we all know, the truth is out there. He's written
(00:32):
all about it in his new volume and account, Inside
the Pentagon's most closely guarded secret Wall, to call action
to confront humanity's greatest existential questions. In Inside the Pentagon's
Hunt for UFOs, Emminent Louis Alessando, It's good to have
you along.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It is my sincere honor and privilege to be here
with you today.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So why is there or does there seem to be
such secretcy when it comes to these phenomenon? Wow?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Great question. So I think there's two reasons for it.
First and foremost, if you look at when we started
really dealing with this as a nation and as a
national security issue, was really at the height of the
Cold War, where Russia and the US were really toe
to toe in what people call it Cold War, but
really was very hot, and there were a lot of
proxy wars going on. It was kind of a winner
takes all chess match, and what we didn't want to
(01:26):
do was tip our hand to the enemy. At the time,
what we knew about UFOs, and more importantly, what we
didn't know. We knew that Russia had their own UFO
program as well, and this was all kind of cloak
and dagger, and so that was one of the reasons
we didn't really want to talk about it. The second
was I think there was, well, there's actually three reasons.
The second issue was that the military leadership was not
(01:49):
prepared to address a problem which we didn't have a
solution for. The government is really really good at addressing
problems for which there is a solution. But we had
the things that were coming into our controlled US air
space over our sense of the military installations. They were
performing in ways that we couldn't replicate, and there wasn't
really a darn thing we could do about do about
it at the time. So that's not really good conversation
(02:11):
to have with the American people. Right when you are
a government, the last thing you want to do is
present a problem for which there is no real, immediate
solution for And then the last issue was there were
several studies done, commission official studies done, paid for by
the US government to say, hey, what would happen if
we told the American people the truth that UFOs were real?
And after extensive research, the recommendation was the American people
(02:35):
can't handle it. It would disrupt civil society. It could
disrupt the way in which we live our life, this
ontological shock, you know, and it could be very disruptive
to our civil society, our fabric. So those were some
of the reasons why I personally don't agree with that.
I think America can handle the truth. I think America
(02:57):
deserves the truth. And your tax payamount has been used
to study these euap and the results of which have
resulted in some very very compelling evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And he writes about it and inside the Pentagon's Hunt
for UFOs Imminent, lou Elisondo is with us, how much
of the work that you were doing with a Pentagon
went hand in hand with the space program?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, I don't think you could separate the two. And
that's why one of the observables was in There are
five observables that the program really focused on one was
transmedium travel, and that's really one of the reasons why
the word UAP is now used, because the old term
unidentified at flying objects isn't really accurate anymore. We're seeing
these things and very very high altitude, potentially low Earth orbit,
(03:44):
and even underwater. So yeah, you have to work with
all these different intelligence collection capabilities and various domains if
you will, or environments fancy word for environment, to get
a better picture of what these things are, where they're
coming in from, and what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
One of the greatest disappointments of my life was college physics.
When I started studying relativity, speed of light, et cetera.
I came to the conclusion rather quickly that, Okay, as
we physical beings are the closest galaxy of any repute
that would have anybody or anything that would want to
(04:20):
come here is several light years away, traveling the speed
of light is physically impossible for our bodies anyway. So
then and there, my belief in anything that was anything
like us visiting this planet was kind of shot down.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, so there's actually two things to consider. I think
that's a great point. It's brought up a lot. First
of all, there are tricks around that. There's theories like
now right, you can look it up called now Kubiery drive,
where basically you warp spacetime in a localized area and
you compress it in front while get stretched out in
the back, and in essence you can travel faster than
(05:03):
speed of light without traveling faster than the speed of light.
But secondly, there are theories about these uap you know,
some call them ultra terrestrials. Some will say they're from
outer space, some will say they're interdmensional. Some say they're
just as natural to our planet that we are, and
we're just now at the point where we can we
can start to interact with them. And people say, well
that's nonsense. Well look, you know, my background is science,
(05:25):
microbiology and immanology. And as a species, we've been around
here for what two hundred thousand years as modern humans,
as Homo sapien sapien, and it took us, you know,
till two thousand years ago to realize that there's only
two forms of life. You're either plant or an animal.
And then three hundred years ago, during the Renaissance, we
realize there's this whole another kingdom of life. Called fungus,
and we pat ourselves on the shoulder. And only one
(05:46):
hundred and twenty years ago, think about it, we actually
discovered the true dominant life form on this planet. And
it wasn't until we could curve blasts and look through
a tube and famously shout little beast these little beasties,
did we discover the true alpha species. And out of
alpha kingdom of life, which was micro organisms that's been
here all along, that's actually the dominant life form. So
we're always learning new things about even our own environments,
(06:09):
and we have to keep an open mind.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, then you look at the history of flight and
the relative short time we've gone from paper fabric and
wood aircraft to shooting for the stars.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I means it's even more traumatic than that. Yeah, we
have evolved more in the last one hundred and twenty
years than we have in the last one hundred and
twenty thousand years. We went from horse and buggy to
now putting metal and human beings on the moon.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Lewis Alisando is with us. The name of the book
is a fascinating topic. It's imminent inside the Pentagon's hunt
for UFOs. Circling back to the space program was a
considerable amount of what was being observed experimentation, say from
Russia in their space program, or maybe civilians misunderstanding test
(07:06):
vehicles of our space program.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Absolutely, honestly, there's probably percent of prosaic. People misidentify things
they see an aircraft high altitude balloons that are very luminous,
can even at night because they're so high that they're
reflecting the Sun's rays high in the altitude, high up
in altitude, and they're reflecting them down to Earth. So
(07:31):
it might be dark down here, but where the balloon is,
it's it's still daylight. And so people see these luminous
objects and they misidentify them stars, planets. But then you've
got things that are not These are your vehicles that
can perform high G maneuvers, hypersonic velocities, and they're being
picked up on radar, gun camera footage, and even trained observers.
(07:53):
Some of our best combat pilots, top gun pilots, are
encountering these things. And so those are the ones that
were very compelling for us in the government. We only
looked at the military incidents. We weren't focused really on
the civilian stuff, or you know, Grandma saw some lights
in the backyard. This is you know, people that understand
the difference between an SU twenty two and a mid
(08:14):
twenty five and an F sixteen from ten miles away
and have to be train to make a split second
decision to either shoot it down or or protect it.
And then, of course that testimony is being backed up
with gun camera footage and Ford looking in for red
and some of the most sophisticated radar platforms on the planet.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I could a sword one pulled up in the driveway
just the other day. It turned out it was one
of them new Tesla pickups.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, imagine seeing that thing fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It just occurred to me the other day. One pulled
up next to me in the traffic at a traffic light,
and I thought, if I'd have seen this five years ago,
I'd have freaked out inside The Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs
Eminent is the name of the book. Louis Elizondo is
the author. It's a fascinating read. And I thank you
for joining us on the drive today.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Thank you, good sir.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews the Lee
Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to the Drive Live
weekday afternoons from five to seven and iHeartMedia Presentation
This is Later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast
more what you Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Luis lou Alessando is a former head of the Advanced
Aerospace Threat Identification Program AATIP at the Pentagon, and they
researched UFOs, now known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon Because, as
we all know, the truth is out there. He's written
(00:32):
all about it in his new volume and account, Inside
the Pentagon's most closely guarded secret Wall, to call action
to confront humanity's greatest existential questions. In Inside the Pentagon's
Hunt for UFOs, Emminent Louis Alessando, It's good to have
you along.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It is my sincere honor and privilege to be here
with you today.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So why is there or does there seem to be
such secretcy when it comes to these phenomenon? Wow?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Great question. So I think there's two reasons for it.
First and foremost, if you look at when we started
really dealing with this as a nation and as a
national security issue, was really at the height of the
Cold War, where Russia and the US were really toe
to toe in what people call it Cold War, but
really was very hot, and there were a lot of
proxy wars going on. It was kind of a winner
takes all chess match, and what we didn't want to
(01:26):
do was tip our hand to the enemy. At the time,
what we knew about UFOs, and more importantly, what we
didn't know. We knew that Russia had their own UFO
program as well, and this was all kind of cloak
and dagger, and so that was one of the reasons
we didn't really want to talk about it. The second
was I think there was, well, there's actually three reasons.
The second issue was that the military leadership was not
(01:49):
prepared to address a problem which we didn't have a
solution for. The government is really really good at addressing
problems for which there is a solution. But we had
the things that were coming into our controlled US air
space over our sense of the military installations. They were
performing in ways that we couldn't replicate, and there wasn't
really a darn thing we could do about do about
it at the time. So that's not really good conversation
(02:11):
to have with the American people. Right when you are
a government, the last thing you want to do is
present a problem for which there is no real, immediate
solution for And then the last issue was there were
several studies done, commission official studies done, paid for by
the US government to say, hey, what would happen if
we told the American people the truth that UFOs were real?
And after extensive research, the recommendation was the American people
(02:35):
can't handle it. It would disrupt civil society. It could
disrupt the way in which we live our life, this
ontological shock, you know, and it could be very disruptive
to our civil society, our fabric. So those were some
of the reasons why I personally don't agree with that.
I think America can handle the truth. I think America
(02:57):
deserves the truth. And your tax payamount has been used
to study these euap and the results of which have
resulted in some very very compelling evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And he writes about it and inside the Pentagon's Hunt
for UFOs Imminent, lou Elisondo is with us, how much
of the work that you were doing with a Pentagon
went hand in hand with the space program?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, I don't think you could separate the two. And
that's why one of the observables was in There are
five observables that the program really focused on one was
transmedium travel, and that's really one of the reasons why
the word UAP is now used, because the old term
unidentified at flying objects isn't really accurate anymore. We're seeing
these things and very very high altitude, potentially low Earth orbit,
(03:44):
and even underwater. So yeah, you have to work with
all these different intelligence collection capabilities and various domains if
you will, or environments fancy word for environment, to get
a better picture of what these things are, where they're
coming in from, and what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
One of the greatest disappointments of my life was college physics.
When I started studying relativity, speed of light, et cetera.
I came to the conclusion rather quickly that, Okay, as
we physical beings are the closest galaxy of any repute
that would have anybody or anything that would want to
(04:20):
come here is several light years away, traveling the speed
of light is physically impossible for our bodies anyway. So
then and there, my belief in anything that was anything
like us visiting this planet was kind of shot down.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, so there's actually two things to consider. I think
that's a great point. It's brought up a lot. First
of all, there are tricks around that. There's theories like
now right, you can look it up called now Kubiery drive,
where basically you warp spacetime in a localized area and
you compress it in front while get stretched out in
the back, and in essence you can travel faster than
(05:03):
speed of light without traveling faster than the speed of light.
But secondly, there are theories about these uap you know,
some call them ultra terrestrials. Some will say they're from
outer space, some will say they're interdmensional. Some say they're
just as natural to our planet that we are, and
we're just now at the point where we can we
can start to interact with them. And people say, well
that's nonsense. Well look, you know, my background is science,
(05:25):
microbiology and immanology. And as a species, we've been around
here for what two hundred thousand years as modern humans,
as Homo sapien sapien, and it took us, you know,
till two thousand years ago to realize that there's only
two forms of life. You're either plant or an animal.
And then three hundred years ago, during the Renaissance, we
realize there's this whole another kingdom of life. Called fungus,
and we pat ourselves on the shoulder. And only one
(05:46):
hundred and twenty years ago, think about it, we actually
discovered the true dominant life form on this planet. And
it wasn't until we could curve blasts and look through
a tube and famously shout little beast these little beasties,
did we discover the true alpha species. And out of
alpha kingdom of life, which was micro organisms that's been
here all along, that's actually the dominant life form. So
we're always learning new things about even our own environments,
(06:09):
and we have to keep an open mind.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, then you look at the history of flight and
the relative short time we've gone from paper fabric and
wood aircraft to shooting for the stars.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I means it's even more traumatic than that. Yeah, we
have evolved more in the last one hundred and twenty
years than we have in the last one hundred and
twenty thousand years. We went from horse and buggy to
now putting metal and human beings on the moon.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Lewis Alisando is with us. The name of the book
is a fascinating topic. It's imminent inside the Pentagon's hunt
for UFOs. Circling back to the space program was a
considerable amount of what was being observed experimentation, say from
Russia in their space program, or maybe civilians misunderstanding test
(07:06):
vehicles of our space program.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Absolutely, honestly, there's probably percent of prosaic. People misidentify things
they see an aircraft high altitude balloons that are very luminous,
can even at night because they're so high that they're
reflecting the Sun's rays high in the altitude, high up
in altitude, and they're reflecting them down to Earth. So
(07:31):
it might be dark down here, but where the balloon is,
it's it's still daylight. And so people see these luminous
objects and they misidentify them stars, planets. But then you've
got things that are not These are your vehicles that
can perform high G maneuvers, hypersonic velocities, and they're being
picked up on radar, gun camera footage, and even trained observers.
(07:53):
Some of our best combat pilots, top gun pilots, are
encountering these things. And so those are the ones that
were very compelling for us in the government. We only
looked at the military incidents. We weren't focused really on
the civilian stuff, or you know, Grandma saw some lights
in the backyard. This is you know, people that understand
the difference between an SU twenty two and a mid
(08:14):
twenty five and an F sixteen from ten miles away
and have to be train to make a split second
decision to either shoot it down or or protect it.
And then, of course that testimony is being backed up
with gun camera footage and Ford looking in for red
and some of the most sophisticated radar platforms on the planet.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I could a sword one pulled up in the driveway
just the other day. It turned out it was one
of them new Tesla pickups.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, imagine seeing that thing fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It just occurred to me the other day. One pulled
up next to me in the traffic at a traffic light,
and I thought, if I'd have seen this five years ago,
I'd have freaked out inside The Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs
Eminent is the name of the book. Louis Elizondo is
the author. It's a fascinating read. And I thank you
for joining us on the drive today.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Thank you, good sir.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews the Lee
Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to the Drive Live
weekday afternoons from five to seven and iHeartMedia Presentation
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