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(00:04):
This is Later with Lee Matthews,The Lee Matthews Podcast more what you Hear
weekday afternoons on the Drive. NancyGreens is an award winning legal commentator,
victims rights advocate, broadcast journalists,a New York Times bestselling author of four
books. She appears regularly on ABC'stwenty twenty Nightline, Fox News, Daily
Mail, and Manie Moore. She'sgot a new podcast out on the iHeartRadio
(00:26):
app and everywhere you get podcasts,Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy,
we enjoy your morning features every dayI gather in the podcast. You're gonna
get a little deeper in the weeds. Yes, we do. And first
of all, thank you for invitingme. I've got nothing but wonderful memories
(00:47):
of Oklahoma City. We went onan RV trip across the country, my
husband, myself and the two children, and we went through Oklahoma City and
the people there were amazing. Thankyou, Thank you for mentioning crime Stories.
It is not only a podcast withyou on iHeart, we just moved
(01:07):
it to the TV screen on MSMthat start to field the network. And
I'm just thrilled to be with youtoday and I'm thrilled to be part of
iHeart some of the stories. Whatare they that you're going to be taking
on on crime stories with Nancy Grace. Well, we cover crimes of the
day, especially crimes where I believewe can make a difference. For instance,
(01:33):
we have been covering the two Kansasmoms that were carjacked and murdered over
what a custody dispute, and believeit or not, the purpose seems to
be a we can grandma slash motherin law who orchestrated the entire double murder
so she could get custody of thegrandchildren insane. I'm working on the case
(01:57):
of Shade Robinson, a teen girlin college who went on the first day
with the son of a Milwaukee millionaireand she was murdered. Trying to help
her mother work through shah Day's murderand get justice for her. Of course,
I'm on the Brian Coburger case,the Idaho quadruples play as we seek
(02:23):
justice in that My mission as acrime victim myself is to help find missing
people, especially children, and helpsolve unsolved homicide. When that case broke,
the one you just referred to aboutthe troubled mother trying to reconnect with
her children and murdered by what appearsto be a plot that was worked out
(02:46):
by her evil mother in law.The first thing that occurred to me,
Nancy, was all the poor children, Now, what's going to happen to
them? Because their only guardian atthe time is now in jail. Oh
my stars, can you believe thatthe custody I believe is going to end
up with the father, the biologicalfather, who was in rehab at the
(03:07):
time. Okay, so that's that'snot helping anything. But he's in rehab,
and then you've got the bio parent, the mother. That's how it's
going to play out. I hopethese children do not end up in foster
care. You and me both crimestories with Nancy Grace. You know her
(03:30):
from many things, not only thefour books she's written, but ABC's twenty
twenty Nightline, Fox News and nowon Doctor Phil's network. That's going to
be a great fit for you.Well, I'll tell you what, Doctor
Phil and I go way way back. I love doctor Phil. I love
his wife, Robin. Oh mygoodness, that little lady is a dynamo.
(03:52):
I love her, and they've beenvery kind to me. Over the
years and I'm thrilled to be partof that. I heeart helps us the
staff here at Crime Stories, getthe word out about missing people, about
fallen officers killed in the line ofduty, what we can do to help
(04:13):
crime victims, and I'm just sograteful for that opportunity. Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace the podcast heard on theiHeartRadio app. You hear her morning features
on this station as well, andalso now about to be on the Doctor
Film Network with Crime Stories with NancyGrace. One thing I've noticed covering these
stories, Nancy, when the officialsare very tight lipped, when the officials
(04:35):
are not letting things out, arebeing very quiet about things, they usually
know something they're trying not to tiptheir deck of suspect, is what I
gather. But usually that's what Isay on my radio program is Okay,
we're not hearing a lot for areason because they know. I think that
(04:58):
typically that's true or as And thisis no affront to law enforcement because I
am from a law enforcement background.I was a felony prosecutor for ten years
in inter city Atlanta, handling nothingso violent crime, and for years before
that, I was a fed soI support our police and to what you're
(05:24):
saying, yes, I believe forthe most part they don't say anything because
they're about to make an arrest orthey don't want to tip off someone of
the investigation. And sometimes they don'tknow what the haze is going on.
Nobody knows that they can't figure itout. Perfect example is Delphi where Liberty
and Abbey were abducted off of thetrestle Bridge and then murdered, and that's
(05:46):
through no thought of the police.They were doing everything they could. It
just took a long period of timeto figure out the local pharmacy tech did
it or so police say, we'llsee when that goes to trial, But
that took a long time to unravel, and to their credit, it's kind
of amazing. We understand and thiswill be born out at trial. I
(06:10):
believe that between the two girls wasa bullet somewhere on the crime scene where
their bodies were found. They werenot shot, we don't believe, but
why was there a bullet That bullethad cycled through a gun, not shot
by a gun cycled through like youknow, you're showing off and you put
(06:31):
a bullet in there and you cycleit through and he dropped it. That
bullet matched up to a gun ofthe pharmacy text. Now that took some
police work right there. Oh yeah, they did it because the bullet had
not been they know, and sometimesthey don't have They don't have any idea.
(06:54):
The bullet had not been fired,so there wasn't a lot of telltale
grooves that they could match up.But just with the have it being racked
through the slide, they were ableto find enough distinguishing markings to match that.
No, what you know what thattaught me something. I've done plenty
of shooting cases, murderers agasoul andI have striation marks on the bullet,
(07:16):
which you know, it's like afingerprint. It goes back to only one
gun, one gun only. Ididn't know until this case that when you
cycle or racket a bullet, italso leaves a mark. I did not
know that. Now I do,Thanks Heaven, and you will too if
you listen to Crime Stories with NancyGrace the podcast. I got to ask,
(07:40):
Nancy, you've been on both sidesof the system. What are your
thoughts on our current federal justice system. Well, let me use the word
I don't allow my sixteen year oldtwins to say it suck. But it's
not just the beds. I mean, we spend money, millions, billions
(08:01):
of dollars on so many things inour government. But with a burgeoning population,
doesn't anybody get that the criminal populationis rising as well? And to
use a revolving door to let purpseout of jail, to go right back
out and re offend, it's crazy. And I don't know what it's going
(08:24):
to take a stick of dynamite,you know where for cover? I don't
know. I guess it's going totake one of their children or wives to
be murdered before it hits home.It happened to me. My fiancee was
murdered when I was in college studyingShakespeare in literature. I know what it
(08:45):
feels like, and I don't wantanyone to feel that way. It's happening
more and more and more with repeatoffenders. So until Congress and the President,
whoever they may be, I hateRepublicans and I hate dumb crat they
all live. Until they understand ourcrime problem, it's going to rise.
(09:05):
Crime will rise again. We needrehab centers, addiction centers, and more
correction facilities. Aka Jails Crime Storieswith Nancy Grace. You'll hear it on
the iHeartRadio Appen everywhere you get podcast. Watch for the television version on Doctor
Phil's network. We thank you forjoining us well, thank you so much,
(09:30):
and good morning, I Come Diddy. Thanks for listening to Later with
Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to The Drive
Live weekday afternoons from five to sevenand iHeartMedia Presentation
This is Later with Lee Matthews,The Lee Matthews Podcast more what you Hear
weekday afternoons on the Drive. NancyGreens is an award winning legal commentator,
victims rights advocate, broadcast journalists,a New York Times bestselling author of four
books. She appears regularly on ABC'stwenty twenty Nightline, Fox News, Daily
Mail, and Manie Moore. She'sgot a new podcast out on the iHeartRadio
(00:26):
app and everywhere you get podcasts,Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy,
we enjoy your morning features every dayI gather in the podcast. You're gonna
get a little deeper in the weeds. Yes, we do. And first
of all, thank you for invitingme. I've got nothing but wonderful memories
(00:47):
of Oklahoma City. We went onan RV trip across the country, my
husband, myself and the two children, and we went through Oklahoma City and
the people there were amazing. Thankyou, Thank you for mentioning crime Stories.
It is not only a podcast withyou on iHeart, we just moved
(01:07):
it to the TV screen on MSMthat start to field the network. And
I'm just thrilled to be with youtoday and I'm thrilled to be part of
iHeart some of the stories. Whatare they that you're going to be taking
on on crime stories with Nancy Grace. Well, we cover crimes of the
day, especially crimes where I believewe can make a difference. For instance,
(01:33):
we have been covering the two Kansasmoms that were carjacked and murdered over
what a custody dispute, and believeit or not, the purpose seems to
be a we can grandma slash motherin law who orchestrated the entire double murder
so she could get custody of thegrandchildren insane. I'm working on the case
(01:57):
of Shade Robinson, a teen girlin college who went on the first day
with the son of a Milwaukee millionaireand she was murdered. Trying to help
her mother work through shah Day's murderand get justice for her. Of course,
I'm on the Brian Coburger case,the Idaho quadruples play as we seek
(02:23):
justice in that My mission as acrime victim myself is to help find missing
people, especially children, and helpsolve unsolved homicide. When that case broke,
the one you just referred to aboutthe troubled mother trying to reconnect with
her children and murdered by what appearsto be a plot that was worked out
(02:46):
by her evil mother in law.The first thing that occurred to me,
Nancy, was all the poor children, Now, what's going to happen to
them? Because their only guardian atthe time is now in jail. Oh
my stars, can you believe thatthe custody I believe is going to end
up with the father, the biologicalfather, who was in rehab at the
(03:07):
time. Okay, so that's that'snot helping anything. But he's in rehab,
and then you've got the bio parent, the mother. That's how it's
going to play out. I hopethese children do not end up in foster
care. You and me both crimestories with Nancy Grace. You know her
(03:30):
from many things, not only thefour books she's written, but ABC's twenty
twenty Nightline, Fox News and nowon Doctor Phil's network. That's going to
be a great fit for you.Well, I'll tell you what, Doctor
Phil and I go way way back. I love doctor Phil. I love
his wife, Robin. Oh mygoodness, that little lady is a dynamo.
(03:52):
I love her, and they've beenvery kind to me. Over the
years and I'm thrilled to be partof that. I heeart helps us the
staff here at Crime Stories, getthe word out about missing people, about
fallen officers killed in the line ofduty, what we can do to help
(04:13):
crime victims, and I'm just sograteful for that opportunity. Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace the podcast heard on theiHeartRadio app. You hear her morning features
on this station as well, andalso now about to be on the Doctor
Film Network with Crime Stories with NancyGrace. One thing I've noticed covering these
stories, Nancy, when the officialsare very tight lipped, when the officials
(04:35):
are not letting things out, arebeing very quiet about things, they usually
know something they're trying not to tiptheir deck of suspect, is what I
gather. But usually that's what Isay on my radio program is Okay,
we're not hearing a lot for areason because they know. I think that
(04:58):
typically that's true or as And thisis no affront to law enforcement because I
am from a law enforcement background.I was a felony prosecutor for ten years
in inter city Atlanta, handling nothingso violent crime, and for years before
that, I was a fed soI support our police and to what you're
(05:24):
saying, yes, I believe forthe most part they don't say anything because
they're about to make an arrest orthey don't want to tip off someone of
the investigation. And sometimes they don'tknow what the haze is going on.
Nobody knows that they can't figure itout. Perfect example is Delphi where Liberty
and Abbey were abducted off of thetrestle Bridge and then murdered, and that's
(05:46):
through no thought of the police.They were doing everything they could. It
just took a long period of timeto figure out the local pharmacy tech did
it or so police say, we'llsee when that goes to trial, But
that took a long time to unravel, and to their credit, it's kind
of amazing. We understand and thiswill be born out at trial. I
(06:10):
believe that between the two girls wasa bullet somewhere on the crime scene where
their bodies were found. They werenot shot, we don't believe, but
why was there a bullet That bullethad cycled through a gun, not shot
by a gun cycled through like youknow, you're showing off and you put
(06:31):
a bullet in there and you cycleit through and he dropped it. That
bullet matched up to a gun ofthe pharmacy text. Now that took some
police work right there. Oh yeah, they did it because the bullet had
not been they know, and sometimesthey don't have They don't have any idea.
(06:54):
The bullet had not been fired,so there wasn't a lot of telltale
grooves that they could match up.But just with the have it being racked
through the slide, they were ableto find enough distinguishing markings to match that.
No, what you know what thattaught me something. I've done plenty
of shooting cases, murderers agasoul andI have striation marks on the bullet,
(07:16):
which you know, it's like afingerprint. It goes back to only one
gun, one gun only. Ididn't know until this case that when you
cycle or racket a bullet, italso leaves a mark. I did not
know that. Now I do,Thanks Heaven, and you will too if
you listen to Crime Stories with NancyGrace the podcast. I got to ask,
(07:40):
Nancy, you've been on both sidesof the system. What are your
thoughts on our current federal justice system. Well, let me use the word
I don't allow my sixteen year oldtwins to say it suck. But it's
not just the beds. I mean, we spend money, millions, billions
(08:01):
of dollars on so many things inour government. But with a burgeoning population,
doesn't anybody get that the criminal populationis rising as well? And to
use a revolving door to let purpseout of jail, to go right back
out and re offend, it's crazy. And I don't know what it's going
(08:24):
to take a stick of dynamite,you know where for cover? I don't
know. I guess it's going totake one of their children or wives to
be murdered before it hits home.It happened to me. My fiancee was
murdered when I was in college studyingShakespeare in literature. I know what it
(08:45):
feels like, and I don't wantanyone to feel that way. It's happening
more and more and more with repeatoffenders. So until Congress and the President,
whoever they may be, I hateRepublicans and I hate dumb crat they
all live. Until they understand ourcrime problem, it's going to rise.
(09:05):
Crime will rise again. We needrehab centers, addiction centers, and more
correction facilities. Aka Jails Crime Storieswith Nancy Grace. You'll hear it on
the iHeartRadio Appen everywhere you get podcast. Watch for the television version on Doctor
Phil's network. We thank you forjoining us well, thank you so much,
(09:30):
and good morning, I Come Diddy. Thanks for listening to Later with
Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to The Drive
Live weekday afternoons from five to sevenand iHeartMedia Presentation
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