June 29, 2023 • 31 mins
Elvis sits down with singer-songwriter Kesha to talk about her fascination with the spiritual world, making music and how she’s almost certain her mom’s an alien. Plus, she talks about her latest album Gag Order.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm gonna ask you a question. I know the answer already.
(00:01):
I'm gonna ask it anyway. If here's my husband, Oh hello, Okay,
hey Alex, I'm interviewing Kesha right now. Okay, I don't
know how you put on your sunglasses when my husband
it was just a phone call. Thank god, you're listening
thinking out loud. This is the very first one, by
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the way, but I already know what the interview with
Kesha is all about. You're gonna love this. When we
recorded this interview with Kesha, we did it right after
our morning show on the radio where we had her
as a guest. And of course, as I've been doing
interviews on the radio for thirty years, you know, I
know there's a timing aspect there that has to be
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in out done, play the song, play commercials, goodbye, and
we also have other people in the room that want
to ask questions as well, and it does very well.
It's been very, very very successful. But with this podcast,
it was explaining to me, Elvis, now you can take
your time. Now you can actually go down roads that
you didn't have a chance to go down on the
regular show. And this is where I've finally learned that
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is so true my moments with keshah Yo. Kesha and
I actually connected several interviews ago on the show, and
I got to know her mom as well. And I
love the side of Kesha, which is, in my opinion,
all of Kesha. It's her only side uniqueness. She is
such a unique individual. She's not afraid to tell you
what's in her heart and on her mind, even though
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it may freak you the hell out. She loves the
fact that there's an interplanetary connection going on with us
and other beings from out there in the universe. She
also loves talking about the weird things that she gets
into in the course of a normal Kesha day. You'll
hear that here where she gets to play with the
skull of a mass murderer. I think we'll see it together.
(01:47):
It's been a few weeks since we've recorded, and I'm
going to listen to it with you. Kesha A great
way to start thinking out loud as my podcast series.
Here we go, listen to this. It's Kesha, Kesha. Where
do we start?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Where do we Start?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That could be the name of the podcast, Where do
we Start? So I don't even have a name for
this podcast. It's so new and I don't know. I
don't even you've done podcasts. I have teach me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay if i'm are we going?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
All right?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So first of all, I know nothing. I just blabber.
So just blabber at me and I'll blabber back.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Let's blabber.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Is that another name like blabber?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's like my specialty. I would just I mean, it
depends on what you're what. Is it marketed as a
music podcast?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
No, it's just it's just me talking to people I
find interesting. Oh, we love that, and you were on
that list. It's so funny that you're in town and
you're talking about your new album gag order and timing
is right. Yeah, someone I'm interested in because you fascinate
the fuck out of me.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh I love that, and I love you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
As I you good. Uh. I just when I hear
you talk about the things that excite you, I know
that I could admit that those things excite me as well.
And I know a lot of people are listening that
are closet lovers of cats, closet lovers of travel, closet
lovers of philosophical study.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, anything esoteric, Yeah, I think that, Yeah, I lead
a pretty weird life. So I'm here to talk about
it because I haven't really talked about it while I've
been incubating this album. I've been pretty insular.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, who are you to say that you have a
weird life? I mean, it's your life. What's so weird
about it to you?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm pretty sure it's kind of weird. Like, for example,
I yesterday was at the Philosophical Research Society and you
walk into this library that looks like Hogwarts, and all
these beautiful books are behind glass, and there's a section
for taro, there's a section for past lives, there's a
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section for comparative religions.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You go and you can.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Read all this ancient text about anything esoteric. Philosophical Research
Library is that. So then I meet the guy who
kind of runs the place, and he was like, oh,
I have this closet upstairs that there might be the
head of a German murderer.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And I was like, hold on, wait, ahead of a
German murderer, yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Like non specific, no one knows who he is or
how they got the head, like it's all big question marks.
But as soon as they said there might be a head, around.
I was like, okay, I'm not leave ahead, you know
exactly exactly. So I was like, yo, I'm not leaving
until we find this head. So we go upstairs. I
have a video of it, and there's a bookcase that
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like is a secret doorway to this closet and he
opens it up and I think it's going to be
like Narnia, and it's a bunch of printer paper and
he's like, yeah, the head might be in one of
these boxes. I was like, okay, well we're gonna we're
gonna rummage through your boxes, homie. So we couldn't find
the head there, so we traveled to the other side
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of the library and we finally find this head under
a desk in a cardboard box full of like trash.
There's just a bunch of trash on top of a head.
So we did in fact find the head. So we
whips out the head and I just start giggling maniacally because,
for whatever reason, a dead head is like my favorite
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thing apparently, So.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is why you feel you're different than the other kids, Yes,
because this excites you finding a head in a closet,
but a German murderer's head. So that what if it
was like a grandmother's head. It was a skull.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
By the way, it was a skull. It was a skull,
not a head with hair. Well, to be clear, there's.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
A clear line between skull and head. I guess I
do know, But so I see your point. Not everyone
in this world would love to go through a bookcase
hidden door into a room full of boxes and dig
through them until they found a skull of a German murderer.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So why not? Why wouldn't they would? I feel like
you would.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So someone's listening to this podcast now going they're about
to reach to turn it off. They're like, ah, wait,
hold on, let's hear this head story.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, we found it. I held it. I gave him
a little kiss. I think he's good. He didn't have
bad vibes. And that was like an average Friday.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Who did he murder?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean, how do we know what he d knows?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Which is like probably problematic. But so when I was
filming the show, so I started with a podcast and
then it turned kind of it morphed into a television
show that's on Discovery Plus called Conjuring Kasha, and I
would just shoot the shit with people that I found
interesting and had any sort of paranormal experience or opinions.
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So that turned into me traveling around the country and
looking for spirits, looking for ghosts. I went to a
secret society be where they also had skeletons in the walls.
They would bury the skeletons in the walls of the Oddfellows.
I was the first woman allowed to film inside of
an Oddfellow's center.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And then I just.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Did like ghost experiments the whole time, and I was
I found like three different skeletons and you and they
bought them from a catalog. So they had this catalog
that's like, what kind of skeleton do you want?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
There's a thing that's a thing?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Can I Amazon right now? And there's skeletons.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Honestly, I want Francis, can you google that?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Francis?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Can you you need to Doleton can.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Go to Amazon, particularly Amazon, because I want to use
I want to use Prime and have it here by Thursday?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Does Amazon have everything?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So okay, let's let's let's let's back the truck up
just for a second. Kesha. When did all this begin
in your life? Your fascination with things I don't want
to use the word macab because that's so limiting. But
all things different than what the other kids would to
talk about it forever your mom.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
My mom was is convinced she's truly serious that she
is an alien, which I wouldn't be surprised she was.
And I just grew up and we would write songs
and listen to like ram Das or we would It
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was always spiritual seeking. Like she took astrology in college.
So it's just kind of in my blood to be
obsessed with this stuff. I'm also triple Pisces, which I
don't know. If you're into astrology, I don't like, what's
your sign.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I'm a Leo, but I don't know if I'm a
triple Leo or if I've ever if uranus is rising
or whatever rising. I don't. I don't understand it, but
I appreciate learning about it. Yeah, and so I don't know.
If I had my chart here, I could show it
to and you could say, oh, you would walk out
the door, or.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You'd be like, oh, no, no, go you no.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
It's really interesting because your main sign is not all
that governs who you are. You have multiple houses and
risings and your sun, your moon, all these different things, so.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I understand that part.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, so I just find that really interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I'm trying to like have someone go through it with
me and show me how to really read a chart
because it's pretty confusing when you look at it. And
I just signed up for a tarot card class.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm want to get to that in a moment. Yeah,
can you order some tarot cards on Amazon? I have
some at home.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I had some in my purse, but I didn't bring
the right purse. But yeah, I just have always been
like that. And then that's perhaps why my schooling experience
was hell, because I also loved making my own like
velvet bell bottoms, and apparently that wasn't cool then, and
so I had like a pretty weird childhood experien answer.
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I didn't really feel like I could connect to that
many people because they wanted to play with the dolls.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Were you lonely as a kid because of this, Yeah,
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's why I turned the songwriting right because I would
have and I've always been a highly sensitive person, which
is a thing a lot of people out there that
would label themselves as like, oh, I'm just like quote
unquote crazy. Really, you just might be really highly sensitive,
really intuitive. So I started writing songs because I felt
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like I couldn't connect to a ton of people. And
then I moved to LA and found a couple other
weirdos and my bandman lived to strange people and we
have our little tribe.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So you're proud of me.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Strange, I mean, I don't know how else to be.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, no, I mean you shouldn't. You shouldn't have been
thinking about what you are whatever. You don't put yourself
in any box. You are just who you are. So
this resonates with me a lot. And you look at me.
I'm a fifty eight year old gay guy on the
radio with nothing in common with you, you would think,
But the things you're saying about you and your childhood
remind me of me and my childhood.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And what was your like schooling experience?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, you know, I was the outcast and I didn't
have a lot of friends. And you know, mom and
dad they both worked. I would be at home by
myself every day and just watch TV and pretend to
be on the radio, and you know, and I would
sit in my little closet with my equipment and I
would have a radio show.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And that is so sweet.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It is, But then I started thinking, how sad was I?
I mean, I wasn't playing sports, couldn't. I wasn't out there,
you know, being a butcher burly guy, because well I
wanted to have sex with them, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean it was different than everyone, But I think
it's the people who are Anyone who's listening to this
right now is going, holy shit, that's me.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm really people.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Everyone is weird, Like I think, I told you this earlier,
but I have a new theory.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
This is my own.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
This is the Kesha theory of relativity. We're all just babies. Okay,
that's as far as I've gotten.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But we're all just giant babies.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So the formative years of like going to school and stuff,
it impacts the rest of your life, right because all
we are is a collection of our experiences plus our spirit.
If you believe in.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That, I do me doo.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
What was I talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We're just giant babies.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So I think that feeling like an outcast, which I
completely relate to, it made my drive so much more
intense because I felt like I had something to prove
to all the people that made fun of me and
to myself too that I was you know, I'm not
just special and strange for no good reason. I want
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to be special and strange and help other people feel
like they can be special strange around me and feel
like very accepted and safe. And that's one of my
favorite things about making music is my shows, because I
just always wanted to have a safe place to go
be weird.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well that's what this album is sort of about.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
This album is that you definitely turned a corner with
this album. This one is much more personal. You're saying, yeah,
you gave birth to this whole new side of you
because there are other people out there that you're convinced
can relate with it because they are the same way.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean, in a way, I hope a lot of
people don't relate to the sadder songs because I want
people to be happy. But I have a feeling that
most humans go through the kaleidoscope of human emotion, Like
I cannot be the only one that feels insecure sometimes
it cannot be the one that feels full of rage.
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I cannot be the only one that feels kind of
at the end of their rope sometimes, especially just the
consumption of media boggles my brain. It feels really overwhelming sometimes,
and I know we all consume a lot of media,
so sometimes it makes me feel like my brain's going
to explode. And I'm writing and singing about that.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I find that very relatable to almost everyone who's listening
to this, most likely, I absolutely My question is this,
even if you didn't have the influence of your mother
and her philosophy in life, don't you think this would
have been the path you would have found anyway? But
if you had a mom who was an accountant and
a dad who was a car dealer. Is this goes
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back to what is inside of you? Something's already baked
into you when you're born.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I think that there is a soul.
But I also think being surrounded by someone who is
a songwriter so I could observe the craft, So that
was always like, that's like how I grew up. I
would go with my mom, she'd play shows and just
put me in the guitar case as a baby. So
I think how you're raised you view as normal until
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you go out into the world and realize maybe some
of the things are not normal.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Like I thought it was normal. This is pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I thought it was normal to bathe your body.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
In bleach occasionally, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Until I got my first boyfriend and he was like,
the fuck are you doing? And I was like, it's
my normal weekly bleach bath and he was like, what
the fuck are you doing? So I didn't realize it
was strange until someone told me it was strange.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
What made you think it was normal? By the way,
for the record, I'm not saying get abormal. Your mother
said you need to bathe in bleach at least once
a week.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, if you go run through the fields of Tennessee,
there's a lot of poison Ivyes, so this is according
to my mother, not a doctor. Not a doctor, not advice. Okay,
But then she'd be like, oh, if you think you
ran through the poison'd you just like bleach your body?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So you just did it weekly?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well I was a kid, I was like, well, my
mom knows what she's talking about. Turns out not so sure.
Parents all like no, everything they're talking about, which is
an interesting thing you learn when you grow up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Is it your parents are just people?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Which goes back to what you said earlier. We're all
a bunch of babies.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
We're all a bunch of babies.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
The reason why that resonates with me as well is
when my father was ninety two years old and he
was about to leave us in this in this form,
he looked at me and said, here's what I want
to tell you, and I said, what's that? Dad? He said,
you never grow up? He said, you look at me
as your father. You used to think I had all
the answers. You used to think that I was there
to protect you because I could protect you against anything.
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I couldn't. I never could. He said. You will learn
is to the day you leave this planet, this body
does anyway. You don't know it all. You don't have
all the answers. You get scared. He says, I still
get scared. He said, I'm sitting here right now. I
know what's about to happen to me. He said, I'm scared.
He said, you need to understand that. It reminds me
of what you just said. We're all a bunch of babies.
We are.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You're all infants, and just like having compassion for your
own baby self and other people as the giant babies
that they are, we're all just kind of doing our
best and try and act like adults. It just made
me view the world in a really compassionate way, like
when you're a singer. Sometimes I say, picture the audience naked.
I just picture a sea of babies.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay, naked babies, No, just asking asking for a.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Friend, closed babies.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, let's bring up a couple of things. Let's
talk about ghosts. I know Conjuring Kesha on Discovery Plus. Yes, right, yes,
this was what you woke up one day and said,
I want to do a show called Conjuring Kesha. I
want to I want to lift lift the hood on
supernatural fun stuff. And you know people love that shit.
I do.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I mean I do too, So I do too.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Why why do you? What got you interested in?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Honestly that not to sound like a broken record, but
I always was like searching for the answers to the
mystery of life, and I thought, I want to see
with my own eyeballs if there is something else out
there that's intangible. And I saw some pretty not explainable
things while filming the show. And I am fully aware
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that when you watch a show, you're like, probably half
of this is fake. There's editing, blah blah, blah. I
made it like my mission statement on the show was
if nothing happens, if there's no activity, like, I'm sorry,
the episode is just going to be really boring. But
we're not gonna fake it because I think it's kind
of sacred, or I hold it to be sacred. When
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someone's looking to you to see if there is something
bigger than us out there, I think that's a really
like it's a big question.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
We need to know that there is something bigger than
us out there, something as simple as the Grand Canyon
or something as fantastic as everything.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're discussing right you're at realm or the ocean, and
just the migration pattern of animals, how whales sing to
each other, they'll echo back songs from across the globe.
Things like that just bring me solace and make me
feel like, in a sense, we're being taken care of
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in a way, Like there is a cosmic natural ebb
and flow, and I see it a lot in nature.
So that's why I like to I like to travel
and spend a lot of time in nature and just
experience all the beautiful wonders of what the earth is.
It's just like I just find it so beautiful and magical.
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It makes me feel like childlike and.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It puts us in our place as human beings. I
do believe. So have you ever been on Safari? I have.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I went on a camping safari on her thirtieth birthday
in Kenya and Tanzania. And there were giant hippos rubbing
up against my mom's tent. Because my mom's like a trooper,
She's like, oh, fuck you, I'm going.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'm like, okay, campos don't have thumbs, they can't open
your tent.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh my god, except for hippos are the most dangerous creature.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I did know that. Have you been Tanzania four times? Africa?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's incredible?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It is you know what. And my husband is the
one who's he works at a zoo. He's worked at
a zouos since he was a kid. He loves animals
and he's like, we got to go in Safari. I went.
It's life change changing and you know, and we talk
about it on our show a lot, and I say, hey,
you don't have to be a ka billionaire to go
to going safari. And I have a good friend who
is who is a guide in Tanzania as well, and
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it does change your life. It reminds you that you
are just a tiny little speck, a little baby in
this world, and you learn so much from these animals.
But you love whales, you love cats.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I love I'm like, I'm trying really hard to skirt
the identity of a crazy cat lady, but I think I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Failing that own it. I you know what, I I
do love my cats. Do you have an animal?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh? Yeah, I have two dogs, but I grew up
with cats, so I'm a cat and dog person, which
is kind of unusual.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's good. It means you have a beautiful heart.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I love them dogs, you know how it is love dogs,
love cats, hate people.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, same, I totally feel you.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But I think that like when you love something so unconditionally,
it's just like it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I agree with that. Whales Wales, the song whale songs? Yeah,
do you ever just put your headphones on and listen
to that for all?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, there.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I've definitely sampled whale songs in my music right underneath tracks.
Like people won't know it sounds like a synth and
it's really actually a whale song. I've gone free diving,
like free swimming with whales in the wild, no captivity,
like I am here, not no captivity. But in the
middle of the open ocean near Tonga, there's one of
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the two places in the world you can swim with whales.
And it's so human the interaction because they come up
and look you in the eyes. I recently for my
birthday went and saw orcas. They can just by looking
at you evaluate your emotional and physical state. I just
think these sometimes we feel like such hot shit as humans.
But the instincts of animals, I almost would say, is
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that similar to what psychic power is? Is it just
more intuitive? Is it just more connected to the earth
and energy?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I don't know. This is what I spent all day
thinking about.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Well, and we should we should study animals. God knows
they study us. Oh, I know absolutely. I like dogs.
For instance, my dogs they'll know. They'll run to the
door fifteen minutes before Alex gets home from work.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
They know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
They know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Animals know.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Then some people say, well he gets home at the
same time every day. They have a built in clock,
you know. Oh please, cats have like a they have
GPS built in. You could take a cat four states
away that cat will get home because they have a
grid of the planet in their head, they know exactly
where they are at all times. It's a part of
what we wish we had.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Totally, and I think we supplement with like our phones, right,
But sometimes I get worried that if we have all
that information externally, we're gonna lose the retention of information
in our brains. So I try to limit my time
on social media and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You sure there's nothing good out there? I looked for you.
I give you a pass.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
The past couple of days I have been looking as
like my guilty pleasure. I like looked up what people
thought of the music, and then I went down like
a pedro Pascal, like rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's so hot, without doubt, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
God, Like it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
See you do like me? You do? You fly down
these holes and you're just like God, before you know
what it's like an hour later, like what the fuck
am I to do with my dad? Let's talk about
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tarot cards. I wish we had.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I wish I brought my deck.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean do you, I mean, how advanced are you?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No? Not? Not not.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I just have a collection of decks from like there's
one deck from the seventies, one of the eighties, and
then I.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Just got Alistair Crowley deck and like, so I'm I'm
trying to get better.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm about to enroll in a course, think about going
back to school, but like hippie school, to some hippie shit.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Okay, I'll go with you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Like, I don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm
doing in life.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Where is hippie university?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, I think I'm going to take classes at the
Philosophical Research Society.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Okay, Well they've got skulls of dead German murderers up there.
What can go wrong?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
They're legit that thing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
It's fun, Okay, terror cards. I had other things. I
want to talk to you about traveling. You had an
interesting experience in Iceland. I was there, but I had
to work. I couldn't get out and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Did you see it like the icebergs?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I didn't see it. Shame on me. Talk talk to
me about traveling for you. Why everyone should have a passport?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think that it just opens up your perception. It
opens up the perspective of different culture, different people, different languages,
and I feel like a more whole person. When I
see how everything else works, like it inspires the music,
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it inspires the visual, It inspires me to want to
learn other languages, and inspires me to want to connect
with other people.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And I don't know, it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Just makes me feel really grateful when I travel. So
I've been trying to travel as much as my schedule allows.
But like with this end goal of like when I'm
old and gray and all things are sagging to my
knees and no one wants me to romp around on
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stage in a unitard any longer. I kind of am
trying to figure out how on earth does a woman
get paid to travel around and just get massages?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What's that think? The only one asking that question right now?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I don't know, but I'm putting it out into the world.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So if anybody out there can think of a way
where I just get smushed at, like every I'm on
in the world, right, sign me the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I'm with you, Take me with you. I could go
on for hours and days with you. I wanted to
talk about other things, like what's it like later in
life when you were young and famous? Did it fuck
you up at all? Be young and famous? Does it
fuck people up?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I mean only my experience, but absolutely it's incredibly confusing
to be like a boss at twenty two when you
don't know you're face from the hole in.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Your ass, but you acknowledge it now.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah I knew it then too.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I was it was just do you feel like you're
at the surface yet? I mean, are you out of
like I'm not a kid anymore? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean I think, as I said, I think I'll
always be a giant baby, but I feel like a
little more grounded. I'm a very grounded giant baby, which.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I love, Ladies and gentlemen, the grounded, the.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Grounded, most world's most grounded giant baby, giant baby.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I just love that you spent some time with us.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And I always love seeing you anything you want. We
can shoot the shit about whatever you want, whenever you want.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I just I just love when you merge in because
I know you're busy, and I know you're busy trying
to catch a flight to the Africa or where the
fuck you want to go. I want nothing for you
but love, peace, magic, travel and and love yourself and happiness.
And you tell your mama said, hi, I always do.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
She loves you.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
She's like obsessed with you, and what a great gift
she gave us with you. Oh my gosh, to be
perfectly honest.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I love you so much. I'm like, I didn't really
promote the album at all.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh there's an album out.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I am putting out an album May I'll do all
the hard work. My album is called gag Order. It's
out May nineteenth. I worked with the incredible Rick Rubin,
and it is unlike anything I've ever done, and it's
unlike anything I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
On a scale of one to ten, ten being the most.
How much did you have to put this album out? Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Beyond Yeah, Like my my brain would have exploded. Like
I'm not even kidding. All this stuff had to come out.
I think that's how making artworks. It's not necessarily a choice.
I think you're channeling some sort of source energy that's
encouraging you to spill your guts all over a page.
And the intention behind it all is obviously to help
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connect people, because I think that's why we as a
society are so addicted to our phone and social media,
because it connects us. So I really just hope my
music can connect people emotionally so they know they're not
alone in their emotions. If you want to celebrate with me,
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check out Animal. If you want to like get moody
and dark, existential and scream, check out gag Order.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
There you have it, gag Order. And I know one
thing about this album is it has nothing in common
with your next album. No, because your universe is spinning
really fast. Oh gosh, thank you so much for being
here today.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yea, love you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Love me. Mark fascinating Kesha. I could go on and
on and on with her. That's the thing about this podcast.
I only want to have guests. I want to go
on and on and on for hours with Kesha. Definitely
an incredible being her album gag Order. Of course you
can hear all about how she's feeling about life and
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love and lack of love and everything right there in
the album. She lays it for you, as she just
did for us on Thinking out Loud. Thank you, Kesha. Hey,
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Mm hmm
I'm gonna ask you a question. I know the answer already.
(00:01):
I'm gonna ask it anyway. If here's my husband, Oh hello, Okay,
hey Alex, I'm interviewing Kesha right now. Okay, I don't
know how you put on your sunglasses when my husband
it was just a phone call. Thank god, you're listening
thinking out loud. This is the very first one, by
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the way, but I already know what the interview with
Kesha is all about. You're gonna love this. When we
recorded this interview with Kesha, we did it right after
our morning show on the radio where we had her
as a guest. And of course, as I've been doing
interviews on the radio for thirty years, you know, I
know there's a timing aspect there that has to be
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in out done, play the song, play commercials, goodbye, and
we also have other people in the room that want
to ask questions as well, and it does very well.
It's been very, very very successful. But with this podcast,
it was explaining to me, Elvis, now you can take
your time. Now you can actually go down roads that
you didn't have a chance to go down on the
regular show. And this is where I've finally learned that
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is so true my moments with keshah Yo. Kesha and
I actually connected several interviews ago on the show, and
I got to know her mom as well. And I
love the side of Kesha, which is, in my opinion,
all of Kesha. It's her only side uniqueness. She is
such a unique individual. She's not afraid to tell you
what's in her heart and on her mind, even though
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it may freak you the hell out. She loves the
fact that there's an interplanetary connection going on with us
and other beings from out there in the universe. She
also loves talking about the weird things that she gets
into in the course of a normal Kesha day. You'll
hear that here where she gets to play with the
skull of a mass murderer. I think we'll see it together.
(01:47):
It's been a few weeks since we've recorded, and I'm
going to listen to it with you. Kesha A great
way to start thinking out loud as my podcast series.
Here we go, listen to this. It's Kesha, Kesha. Where
do we start?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Where do we Start?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That could be the name of the podcast, Where do
we Start? So I don't even have a name for
this podcast. It's so new and I don't know. I
don't even you've done podcasts. I have teach me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay if i'm are we going?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
All right?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So first of all, I know nothing. I just blabber.
So just blabber at me and I'll blabber back.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Let's blabber.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Is that another name like blabber?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's like my specialty. I would just I mean, it
depends on what you're what. Is it marketed as a
music podcast?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
No, it's just it's just me talking to people I
find interesting. Oh, we love that, and you were on
that list. It's so funny that you're in town and
you're talking about your new album gag order and timing
is right. Yeah, someone I'm interested in because you fascinate
the fuck out of me.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh I love that, and I love you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
As I you good. Uh. I just when I hear
you talk about the things that excite you, I know
that I could admit that those things excite me as well.
And I know a lot of people are listening that
are closet lovers of cats, closet lovers of travel, closet
lovers of philosophical study.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, anything esoteric, Yeah, I think that, Yeah, I lead
a pretty weird life. So I'm here to talk about
it because I haven't really talked about it while I've
been incubating this album. I've been pretty insular.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, who are you to say that you have a
weird life? I mean, it's your life. What's so weird
about it to you?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm pretty sure it's kind of weird. Like, for example,
I yesterday was at the Philosophical Research Society and you
walk into this library that looks like Hogwarts, and all
these beautiful books are behind glass, and there's a section
for taro, there's a section for past lives, there's a
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section for comparative religions.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You go and you can.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Read all this ancient text about anything esoteric. Philosophical Research
Library is that. So then I meet the guy who
kind of runs the place, and he was like, oh,
I have this closet upstairs that there might be the
head of a German murderer.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And I was like, hold on, wait, ahead of a
German murderer, yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Like non specific, no one knows who he is or
how they got the head, like it's all big question marks.
But as soon as they said there might be a head, around.
I was like, okay, I'm not leave ahead, you know
exactly exactly. So I was like, yo, I'm not leaving
until we find this head. So we go upstairs. I
have a video of it, and there's a bookcase that
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like is a secret doorway to this closet and he
opens it up and I think it's going to be
like Narnia, and it's a bunch of printer paper and
he's like, yeah, the head might be in one of
these boxes. I was like, okay, well we're gonna we're
gonna rummage through your boxes, homie. So we couldn't find
the head there, so we traveled to the other side
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of the library and we finally find this head under
a desk in a cardboard box full of like trash.
There's just a bunch of trash on top of a head.
So we did in fact find the head. So we
whips out the head and I just start giggling maniacally because,
for whatever reason, a dead head is like my favorite
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thing apparently, So.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is why you feel you're different than the other kids, Yes,
because this excites you finding a head in a closet,
but a German murderer's head. So that what if it
was like a grandmother's head. It was a skull.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
By the way, it was a skull. It was a skull,
not a head with hair. Well, to be clear, there's.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
A clear line between skull and head. I guess I
do know, But so I see your point. Not everyone
in this world would love to go through a bookcase
hidden door into a room full of boxes and dig
through them until they found a skull of a German murderer.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So why not? Why wouldn't they would? I feel like
you would.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So someone's listening to this podcast now going they're about
to reach to turn it off. They're like, ah, wait,
hold on, let's hear this head story.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, we found it. I held it. I gave him
a little kiss. I think he's good. He didn't have
bad vibes. And that was like an average Friday.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Who did he murder?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean, how do we know what he d knows?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Which is like probably problematic. But so when I was
filming the show, so I started with a podcast and
then it turned kind of it morphed into a television
show that's on Discovery Plus called Conjuring Kasha, and I
would just shoot the shit with people that I found
interesting and had any sort of paranormal experience or opinions.
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So that turned into me traveling around the country and
looking for spirits, looking for ghosts. I went to a
secret society be where they also had skeletons in the walls.
They would bury the skeletons in the walls of the Oddfellows.
I was the first woman allowed to film inside of
an Oddfellow's center.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And then I just.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Did like ghost experiments the whole time, and I was
I found like three different skeletons and you and they
bought them from a catalog. So they had this catalog
that's like, what kind of skeleton do you want?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
There's a thing that's a thing?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Can I Amazon right now? And there's skeletons.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Honestly, I want Francis, can you google that?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Francis?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Can you you need to Doleton can.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Go to Amazon, particularly Amazon, because I want to use
I want to use Prime and have it here by Thursday?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Does Amazon have everything?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So okay, let's let's let's let's back the truck up
just for a second. Kesha. When did all this begin
in your life? Your fascination with things I don't want
to use the word macab because that's so limiting. But
all things different than what the other kids would to
talk about it forever your mom.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
My mom was is convinced she's truly serious that she
is an alien, which I wouldn't be surprised she was.
And I just grew up and we would write songs
and listen to like ram Das or we would It
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was always spiritual seeking. Like she took astrology in college.
So it's just kind of in my blood to be
obsessed with this stuff. I'm also triple Pisces, which I
don't know. If you're into astrology, I don't like, what's
your sign.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I'm a Leo, but I don't know if I'm a
triple Leo or if I've ever if uranus is rising
or whatever rising. I don't. I don't understand it, but
I appreciate learning about it. Yeah, and so I don't know.
If I had my chart here, I could show it
to and you could say, oh, you would walk out
the door, or.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You'd be like, oh, no, no, go you no.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
It's really interesting because your main sign is not all
that governs who you are. You have multiple houses and
risings and your sun, your moon, all these different things, so.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I understand that part.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, so I just find that really interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I'm trying to like have someone go through it with
me and show me how to really read a chart
because it's pretty confusing when you look at it. And
I just signed up for a tarot card class.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm want to get to that in a moment. Yeah,
can you order some tarot cards on Amazon? I have
some at home.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I had some in my purse, but I didn't bring
the right purse. But yeah, I just have always been
like that. And then that's perhaps why my schooling experience
was hell, because I also loved making my own like
velvet bell bottoms, and apparently that wasn't cool then, and
so I had like a pretty weird childhood experien answer.
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I didn't really feel like I could connect to that
many people because they wanted to play with the dolls.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Were you lonely as a kid because of this, Yeah,
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's why I turned the songwriting right because I would
have and I've always been a highly sensitive person, which
is a thing a lot of people out there that
would label themselves as like, oh, I'm just like quote
unquote crazy. Really, you just might be really highly sensitive,
really intuitive. So I started writing songs because I felt
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like I couldn't connect to a ton of people. And
then I moved to LA and found a couple other
weirdos and my bandman lived to strange people and we
have our little tribe.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So you're proud of me.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Strange, I mean, I don't know how else to be.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, no, I mean you shouldn't. You shouldn't have been
thinking about what you are whatever. You don't put yourself
in any box. You are just who you are. So
this resonates with me a lot. And you look at me.
I'm a fifty eight year old gay guy on the
radio with nothing in common with you, you would think,
But the things you're saying about you and your childhood
remind me of me and my childhood.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And what was your like schooling experience?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, you know, I was the outcast and I didn't
have a lot of friends. And you know, mom and
dad they both worked. I would be at home by
myself every day and just watch TV and pretend to
be on the radio, and you know, and I would
sit in my little closet with my equipment and I
would have a radio show.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And that is so sweet.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It is, But then I started thinking, how sad was I?
I mean, I wasn't playing sports, couldn't. I wasn't out there,
you know, being a butcher burly guy, because well I
wanted to have sex with them, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean it was different than everyone, But I think
it's the people who are Anyone who's listening to this
right now is going, holy shit, that's me.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm really people.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Everyone is weird, Like I think, I told you this earlier,
but I have a new theory.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
This is my own.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
This is the Kesha theory of relativity. We're all just babies. Okay,
that's as far as I've gotten.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But we're all just giant babies.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So the formative years of like going to school and stuff,
it impacts the rest of your life, right because all
we are is a collection of our experiences plus our spirit.
If you believe in.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That, I do me doo.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
What was I talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We're just giant babies.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So I think that feeling like an outcast, which I
completely relate to, it made my drive so much more
intense because I felt like I had something to prove
to all the people that made fun of me and
to myself too that I was you know, I'm not
just special and strange for no good reason. I want
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to be special and strange and help other people feel
like they can be special strange around me and feel
like very accepted and safe. And that's one of my
favorite things about making music is my shows, because I
just always wanted to have a safe place to go
be weird.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well that's what this album is sort of about.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
This album is that you definitely turned a corner with
this album. This one is much more personal. You're saying, yeah,
you gave birth to this whole new side of you
because there are other people out there that you're convinced
can relate with it because they are the same way.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean, in a way, I hope a lot of
people don't relate to the sadder songs because I want
people to be happy. But I have a feeling that
most humans go through the kaleidoscope of human emotion, Like
I cannot be the only one that feels insecure sometimes
it cannot be the one that feels full of rage.
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I cannot be the only one that feels kind of
at the end of their rope sometimes, especially just the
consumption of media boggles my brain. It feels really overwhelming sometimes,
and I know we all consume a lot of media,
so sometimes it makes me feel like my brain's going
to explode. And I'm writing and singing about that.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I find that very relatable to almost everyone who's listening
to this, most likely, I absolutely My question is this,
even if you didn't have the influence of your mother
and her philosophy in life, don't you think this would
have been the path you would have found anyway? But
if you had a mom who was an accountant and
a dad who was a car dealer. Is this goes
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back to what is inside of you? Something's already baked
into you when you're born.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I think that there is a soul.
But I also think being surrounded by someone who is
a songwriter so I could observe the craft, So that
was always like, that's like how I grew up. I
would go with my mom, she'd play shows and just
put me in the guitar case as a baby. So
I think how you're raised you view as normal until
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you go out into the world and realize maybe some
of the things are not normal.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Like I thought it was normal. This is pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I thought it was normal to bathe your body.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
In bleach occasionally, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Until I got my first boyfriend and he was like,
the fuck are you doing? And I was like, it's
my normal weekly bleach bath and he was like, what
the fuck are you doing? So I didn't realize it
was strange until someone told me it was strange.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
What made you think it was normal? By the way,
for the record, I'm not saying get abormal. Your mother
said you need to bathe in bleach at least once
a week.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, if you go run through the fields of Tennessee,
there's a lot of poison Ivyes, so this is according
to my mother, not a doctor. Not a doctor, not advice. Okay,
But then she'd be like, oh, if you think you
ran through the poison'd you just like bleach your body?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So you just did it weekly?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well I was a kid, I was like, well, my
mom knows what she's talking about. Turns out not so sure.
Parents all like no, everything they're talking about, which is
an interesting thing you learn when you grow up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Is it your parents are just people?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Which goes back to what you said earlier. We're all
a bunch of babies.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
We're all a bunch of babies.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
The reason why that resonates with me as well is
when my father was ninety two years old and he
was about to leave us in this in this form,
he looked at me and said, here's what I want
to tell you, and I said, what's that? Dad? He said,
you never grow up? He said, you look at me
as your father. You used to think I had all
the answers. You used to think that I was there
to protect you because I could protect you against anything.
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I couldn't. I never could. He said. You will learn
is to the day you leave this planet, this body
does anyway. You don't know it all. You don't have
all the answers. You get scared. He says, I still
get scared. He said, I'm sitting here right now. I
know what's about to happen to me. He said, I'm scared.
He said, you need to understand that. It reminds me
of what you just said. We're all a bunch of babies.
We are.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You're all infants, and just like having compassion for your
own baby self and other people as the giant babies
that they are, we're all just kind of doing our
best and try and act like adults. It just made
me view the world in a really compassionate way, like
when you're a singer. Sometimes I say, picture the audience naked.
I just picture a sea of babies.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay, naked babies, No, just asking asking for a.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Friend, closed babies.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, let's bring up a couple of things. Let's
talk about ghosts. I know Conjuring Kesha on Discovery Plus. Yes, right, yes,
this was what you woke up one day and said,
I want to do a show called Conjuring Kesha. I
want to I want to lift lift the hood on
supernatural fun stuff. And you know people love that shit.
I do.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I mean I do too, So I do too.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Why why do you? What got you interested in?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Honestly that not to sound like a broken record, but
I always was like searching for the answers to the
mystery of life, and I thought, I want to see
with my own eyeballs if there is something else out
there that's intangible. And I saw some pretty not explainable
things while filming the show. And I am fully aware
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that when you watch a show, you're like, probably half
of this is fake. There's editing, blah blah, blah. I
made it like my mission statement on the show was
if nothing happens, if there's no activity, like, I'm sorry,
the episode is just going to be really boring. But
we're not gonna fake it because I think it's kind
of sacred, or I hold it to be sacred. When
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someone's looking to you to see if there is something
bigger than us out there, I think that's a really
like it's a big question.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
We need to know that there is something bigger than
us out there, something as simple as the Grand Canyon
or something as fantastic as everything.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're discussing right you're at realm or the ocean, and
just the migration pattern of animals, how whales sing to
each other, they'll echo back songs from across the globe.
Things like that just bring me solace and make me
feel like, in a sense, we're being taken care of
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in a way, Like there is a cosmic natural ebb
and flow, and I see it a lot in nature.
So that's why I like to I like to travel
and spend a lot of time in nature and just
experience all the beautiful wonders of what the earth is.
It's just like I just find it so beautiful and magical.
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It makes me feel like childlike and.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It puts us in our place as human beings. I
do believe. So have you ever been on Safari? I have.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I went on a camping safari on her thirtieth birthday
in Kenya and Tanzania. And there were giant hippos rubbing
up against my mom's tent. Because my mom's like a trooper,
She's like, oh, fuck you, I'm going.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'm like, okay, campos don't have thumbs, they can't open
your tent.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh my god, except for hippos are the most dangerous creature.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I did know that. Have you been Tanzania four times? Africa?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's incredible?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It is you know what. And my husband is the
one who's he works at a zoo. He's worked at
a zouos since he was a kid. He loves animals
and he's like, we got to go in Safari. I went.
It's life change changing and you know, and we talk
about it on our show a lot, and I say, hey,
you don't have to be a ka billionaire to go
to going safari. And I have a good friend who
is who is a guide in Tanzania as well, and
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it does change your life. It reminds you that you
are just a tiny little speck, a little baby in
this world, and you learn so much from these animals.
But you love whales, you love cats.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I love I'm like, I'm trying really hard to skirt
the identity of a crazy cat lady, but I think I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Failing that own it. I you know what, I I
do love my cats. Do you have an animal?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh? Yeah, I have two dogs, but I grew up
with cats, so I'm a cat and dog person, which
is kind of unusual.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's good. It means you have a beautiful heart.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I love them dogs, you know how it is love dogs,
love cats, hate people.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, same, I totally feel you.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But I think that like when you love something so unconditionally,
it's just like it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I agree with that. Whales Wales, the song whale songs? Yeah,
do you ever just put your headphones on and listen
to that for all?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, there.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I've definitely sampled whale songs in my music right underneath tracks.
Like people won't know it sounds like a synth and
it's really actually a whale song. I've gone free diving,
like free swimming with whales in the wild, no captivity,
like I am here, not no captivity. But in the
middle of the open ocean near Tonga, there's one of
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the two places in the world you can swim with whales.
And it's so human the interaction because they come up
and look you in the eyes. I recently for my
birthday went and saw orcas. They can just by looking
at you evaluate your emotional and physical state. I just
think these sometimes we feel like such hot shit as humans.
But the instincts of animals, I almost would say, is
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that similar to what psychic power is? Is it just
more intuitive? Is it just more connected to the earth
and energy?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I don't know. This is what I spent all day
thinking about.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Well, and we should we should study animals. God knows
they study us. Oh, I know absolutely. I like dogs.
For instance, my dogs they'll know. They'll run to the
door fifteen minutes before Alex gets home from work.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
They know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
They know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Animals know.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Then some people say, well he gets home at the
same time every day. They have a built in clock,
you know. Oh please, cats have like a they have
GPS built in. You could take a cat four states
away that cat will get home because they have a
grid of the planet in their head, they know exactly
where they are at all times. It's a part of
what we wish we had.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Totally, and I think we supplement with like our phones, right,
But sometimes I get worried that if we have all
that information externally, we're gonna lose the retention of information
in our brains. So I try to limit my time
on social media and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You sure there's nothing good out there? I looked for you.
I give you a pass.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
The past couple of days I have been looking as
like my guilty pleasure. I like looked up what people
thought of the music, and then I went down like
a pedro Pascal, like rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's so hot, without doubt, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
God, Like it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
See you do like me? You do? You fly down
these holes and you're just like God, before you know
what it's like an hour later, like what the fuck
am I to do with my dad? Let's talk about
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tarot cards. I wish we had.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I wish I brought my deck.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean do you, I mean, how advanced are you?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No? Not? Not not.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I just have a collection of decks from like there's
one deck from the seventies, one of the eighties, and
then I.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Just got Alistair Crowley deck and like, so I'm I'm
trying to get better.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm about to enroll in a course, think about going
back to school, but like hippie school, to some hippie shit.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Okay, I'll go with you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Like, I don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm
doing in life.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Where is hippie university?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, I think I'm going to take classes at the
Philosophical Research Society.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Okay, Well they've got skulls of dead German murderers up there.
What can go wrong?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
They're legit that thing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
It's fun, Okay, terror cards. I had other things. I
want to talk to you about traveling. You had an
interesting experience in Iceland. I was there, but I had
to work. I couldn't get out and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Did you see it like the icebergs?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I didn't see it. Shame on me. Talk talk to
me about traveling for you. Why everyone should have a passport?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think that it just opens up your perception. It
opens up the perspective of different culture, different people, different languages,
and I feel like a more whole person. When I
see how everything else works, like it inspires the music,
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it inspires the visual, It inspires me to want to
learn other languages, and inspires me to want to connect
with other people.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And I don't know, it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Just makes me feel really grateful when I travel. So
I've been trying to travel as much as my schedule allows.
But like with this end goal of like when I'm
old and gray and all things are sagging to my
knees and no one wants me to romp around on
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stage in a unitard any longer. I kind of am
trying to figure out how on earth does a woman
get paid to travel around and just get massages?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What's that think? The only one asking that question right now?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I don't know, but I'm putting it out into the world.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So if anybody out there can think of a way
where I just get smushed at, like every I'm on
in the world, right, sign me the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I'm with you, Take me with you. I could go
on for hours and days with you. I wanted to
talk about other things, like what's it like later in
life when you were young and famous? Did it fuck
you up at all? Be young and famous? Does it
fuck people up?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I mean only my experience, but absolutely it's incredibly confusing
to be like a boss at twenty two when you
don't know you're face from the hole in.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Your ass, but you acknowledge it now.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah I knew it then too.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I was it was just do you feel like you're
at the surface yet? I mean, are you out of
like I'm not a kid anymore? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean I think, as I said, I think I'll
always be a giant baby, but I feel like a
little more grounded. I'm a very grounded giant baby, which.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I love, Ladies and gentlemen, the grounded, the.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Grounded, most world's most grounded giant baby, giant baby.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I just love that you spent some time with us.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And I always love seeing you anything you want. We
can shoot the shit about whatever you want, whenever you want.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I just I just love when you merge in because
I know you're busy, and I know you're busy trying
to catch a flight to the Africa or where the
fuck you want to go. I want nothing for you
but love, peace, magic, travel and and love yourself and happiness.
And you tell your mama said, hi, I always do.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
She loves you.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
She's like obsessed with you, and what a great gift
she gave us with you. Oh my gosh, to be
perfectly honest.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I love you so much. I'm like, I didn't really
promote the album at all.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh there's an album out.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I am putting out an album May I'll do all
the hard work. My album is called gag Order. It's
out May nineteenth. I worked with the incredible Rick Rubin,
and it is unlike anything I've ever done, and it's
unlike anything I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
On a scale of one to ten, ten being the most.
How much did you have to put this album out? Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Beyond Yeah, Like my my brain would have exploded. Like
I'm not even kidding. All this stuff had to come out.
I think that's how making artworks. It's not necessarily a choice.
I think you're channeling some sort of source energy that's
encouraging you to spill your guts all over a page.
And the intention behind it all is obviously to help
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connect people, because I think that's why we as a
society are so addicted to our phone and social media,
because it connects us. So I really just hope my
music can connect people emotionally so they know they're not
alone in their emotions. If you want to celebrate with me,
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check out Animal. If you want to like get moody
and dark, existential and scream, check out gag Order.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
There you have it, gag Order. And I know one
thing about this album is it has nothing in common
with your next album. No, because your universe is spinning
really fast. Oh gosh, thank you so much for being
here today.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yea, love you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Love me. Mark fascinating Kesha. I could go on and
on and on with her. That's the thing about this podcast.
I only want to have guests. I want to go
on and on and on for hours with Kesha. Definitely
an incredible being her album gag Order. Of course you
can hear all about how she's feeling about life and
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love and lack of love and everything right there in
the album. She lays it for you, as she just
did for us on Thinking out Loud. Thank you, Kesha. Hey,
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Thinking out Loud is hosted by me Elvis Duran. The
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