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March 8, 2025 16 mins
Author and renowned caver Roger Brucker tells the tragic story of Floyd Collins, trapped in a Kentucky cave in 1925. News updates mesmerized people around the world. Even after Collins' death, the media circus continued. 

Mr. Brucker co-authored TRAPPED! The Story of Floyd Collins. The book is being reissued in April around the same time as the Broadway play opens in New York.

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book description: When Floyd Collins became trapped in a cave in southern Kentucky in early 1925, the sensationalism and hysteria of the rescue attempt generated America's first true media spectacle, making Collins's story one of the seminal events of the century. The crowds that gathered outside Sand Cave turned the rescue site into a carnival. Collins's situation was front-page news throughout the country, hourly bulletins interrupted radio programs, and Congress recessed to hear the latest word. Trapped! is both a tense adventure and a brilliant historical recreation of the past. This new edition includes a new epilogue revealing information about the Floyd Collins story that has come to light since the book was first published.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Emanating from the digital launch pad Hi at Top four
Street Live.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's the Terry Minor Show. Yeah, we're falling headfirst into
a big weekend around here with tournament play and close
out of regular season, launching the Sweet Sixteen for next week.
People are all pretty worked up about that, to be sure.
The new Joe Lanardi chart is out, but it still
holds Louisville out of seven, drops UK to a four seed.

(00:37):
But you know, again, all these things are contingent upon
what happens in the next week or two of these
tournaments going on. Paul Miles, you just heard on the news. Hello,
there's Dave Jennings. No, guys, we have a guest in
the studio right off the jump here. This radio station
came on the air in nineteen twenty two. We were

(01:00):
the first radio station in Commonwealth Kentucky. In nineteen twenty five,
there was a massive media event at whatever level the
media was at that time, and of course this station
with a giant signal talk to people everywhere, right, Paul,
didn't they say that we're talking to people in the
hollers and who knows where else.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Everywhere on all the big stories. Lynn Bergh Flood right, Yeah.
Do you guys think that our airwaves pierce into Mammoth Cave?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Good question. I don't know, but you know, it was
so much. We always kid that our radio station signal
plays off of a kid's braces who lives three hundred
miles from here.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I will say that they do not pierce into the
parking garage within walking distance of where I'm sitting, And
I'm not going to go out on a limb and
say Mammoth Cave is doable.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
In the studio with me? Is a is a celebrated spelunker?
Did I use that word right? No? No? What does
that mean?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Pejorative word for caver?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Roger Brooker is in here. That is a pejorative to
call someone a spilunker.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Absolutely, It's like Calleague a world skier, a mountain slider,
or something like that. He didn't know what the real
term was.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It is great to meet you. You're ninety five years old.
So this story happened in nineteen twenty five. A former
named Floyd Collins trapped exploring a remote Kentucky cave down
around the Mammoth Cave area. But then later obviously the
story was mesmerizing for people all around America and around
the world. I guess it was a big story. I

(02:47):
know there was a career journal writer who shimmeied into
this cave and spoke with Floyd Collins, who later perished.
They didn't get him out. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
That's correct. Miller was a cub reporter. He was a
young man, I think right. He said. They called him
that because he was no bigger than a mosquito. At
any rate, His city editor send him down there to Kentucky.
When Stringer comments that his reporter comments from that part

(03:23):
of the state described this man tramped in a cave,
and why couldn't he be gotten out. Finally, the editor
said to Miller, get on the train and go down
there and get the bottom of this story. You shouldn't
be gone more than a day or two. So Miller went,

(03:46):
and when he got down to Kentucky, he hired a
car to go out to the cave and saw a
man sitting next to the cave, and he said to him,
who's in the cave? And he said, my brother is
in the cave. Oh wow, how's your brother? Well, if

(04:07):
you're so interested, why don't for go down and see?
So he gives him a flashlight in Miller bounds into
the cave and in his regular suit, and he finds
this cave is just terrible. It's muddy, it's small, and

(04:27):
he crawls and he yells, and he thinks he hears somebody,
but he doesn't know. He goes in maybe sixty or
seventy feet in the cave, and he comes to a
small hole and he says, I can either go down
feet first or head first. I better go down feet first.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
He didn't go through there.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
This was the smallest guy in the newsroom.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
That's exactly right. But any he squeezes through this hole,
goes down a slope of about twenty five degrees, which
is pretty steep feet first, goes down about fifteen feet
and steps on something squishy, which turns out to be
Floyd Colin's head. Oh, here's a groan, and he says,

(05:21):
my god, man. He says, you got to go up
and turn around. So he shimmy's back up this slope,
turns around and comes down head first with his flashlight. Well,
he drops the flashlight. Now he's in the dark, and
his fingers fall on Floyd's face and Floyd is almost comatose.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
He's already been in there a few days.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Or yes, he's been in there a couple of days,
and most people would be dead after a couple of days.
Dave without any heat at any rate, Skeet's Miller find
that the flashlight turns it on and there is this

(06:12):
head of this man sticking out of a small crawway.
It was as if you would see a head sticking
out of a big wastebasket.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And all he can see is down to his neck,
and that's all he could see of Floyd Collins.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
The story went international. People were all listening and tuning
in and reading about the updates.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Well, this is now. Miller was one of the few
people who was small enough to reach him, so, in
other words, he got an exclusive interview.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Right, But he was also able to extricate himself so
he could get back and do his reporting.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
That's correct. At any rate, he questioned Floyd about what
he was doing. Well, there's a long story leading up
to Floyd's expertise, of which he had a lot of
cave exploring expertise by that time. At any rate, he
said he had gone in the cave. He had worked

(07:15):
to two weeks enlarging this passageway, and finally he had
set off some dynamite to get into another part of
the cave.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
He came back a day later and went beyond the
dynamite blast, and he said he found himself in the
bottom of a pit and with leads going out of
the pit, he said, I think it's a beautiful cave.
We'll see. And at that point his kerosene lantern began
to flicker and he said, oh, I should have filled

(07:47):
up the kerosene. So he starts out through this place
that he blasted. He goes head first, pushing his lantern
ahead of him because that's a small place, and the
lantern tips over and goes out. Floyd Collins is now
in abject darkness.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh my god, that's everybody's worst nightmare.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, Floyd had been in a situation like that before,
in a cave he discovered, and he felt his way
out in the dark, and it took him nearly twenty
hours to find his way by feel alone.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
But none of this worked this time because he perished
in the cave. Right, that's correct. And then, Paul, we
were doing a little research a little while ago about
this and This became quite the thing in terms of.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Why was this such an international story? I mean, what
was the attraction. Let me get to this and set
a little background. The Associated Press had suddenly become nationwide,
and secondly, the AP wire photo had been perfected and
so papers could send photographs to each other. And Louisville

(09:06):
had several papers. The Courier Journal was the leading one,
and it had plenty of AP stories, plenty of AP
wire photos, plenty of sensational news. This was a time
of extremely sensational news.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Flappers were going wild. Everybody's having a good time before
those stock market crash.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, wife kill's husband with meat.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Acts were.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Lead stories, kind of lead stories, and each paper had
multiple politicians because the more editions you got out, the
more money you would make sure. All right, Well, they
told Collins to get down there, and he did, and

(09:58):
suddenly he's reporting back on the phone these stories of
interviewing Floyd Collins. Now no other reporter could get to floydive.
It was an exclusive and it was really reported. Now

(10:19):
here's why.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Okay, we're down in two minutes, so as we'll let
you know we got we're gonna wrap it.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
What Miller Miller was one of the most empathic people
you ever met in your life. He could look at
you and he could say, you're sad, you're angry, you're happy,
you are you know, he would sense. But any rate,
Floyd Collins told him how he felt. He was desperate,

(10:47):
he was praying, he was hoping people would come. And meanwhile, Miller,
who is a young reporter, doesn't keep his own feet
feelings how died this? And so suddenly he explains how
desperate this man is. And Miller is an expert reporter,

(11:13):
except that he gives his own feelings. Also, yes, suddenly
this this number becomes a person and is suddenly recognized
as somebody buried alive.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and I know the Skeets won a Pultzer Prize
for his work. And so poor Floyd Collins perishes here
in around the Mammoth Cave area, and then he's a
folk hero, right, I mean it wasn't, Paul, Did you
read this right? He was in a glass.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Didn't they display his body once they recovered it in
a glass casket or coffin?

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yes, that came several months later when they finally recovered
the body. But Floyd lingered on here for five to
seven days being interviewed nearly every day by Miller, who
is this empathic reporter giving these stories. Well, what he
did is to electrify the entire in the United Statestely

(12:13):
anybody had a newspaper, was subscribing to AP and old
churches were having prayer meetings and so on. Was that's
why it became a phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
This is like an OJ Simpson level story back in
the nineteen twenties.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
It's pretty good description of that. Everybody followed What's going
to happen today?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Was OJS Blonker not. The book is called Trapped, the
Story of Floyd Collins. There's a reissue coming out here
in a few weeks, and you were the co author,
mister Murray, your co author passed away a few years ago.
But the picture on the cover of this version shows
you near a cave. That's mind boggling to see. But
I mean, the story is unbelievable, and I know that

(13:00):
it was something one of the biggest, most talked about
things in America, if not the world happened here in Kentucky.
And this book will be out and also it's a
Broadway play. It's finally going to make it the Broadway.
I know it's been a play before called Floyd Collins,
but now it's going to open in New York in April.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yes, twenty years ago, the composer of the musical and
the author of the lyrics telephoned me and said, we
read your book on Floyd Collins. We went down to
Kentucky to see about that. We were thinking of making

(13:40):
a musical and I said, a musical about this sad,
sad story, and they said, well, we think we have
a way around that. And I said, what are you
going to do? Have him come back to life? And
they said, no, it'll be a surprise. They on off Broadway.

(14:02):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
An inspirational story too, isn't it a certain way?

Speaker 4 (14:07):
It is an inspirational story. That's why it's still going.
And it became a cult favorite pretty fast because the
music was extremely good. It reminded people of Stephen Sondheim,
who was a popular composer at that time, as well
as Appellatian music in general. This was a terrific musical

(14:30):
score and it's a pretty good book too.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm sure. All right, Well, your reissue comes out next month.
Roger Brucker is the gentleman i'm speaking with here in
the studio. It's co written by Robert Murray. Trapped the
Story of Floyd Collins got updated forward and other pieces
to the book have been updated in this new reissue
from University of Kentucky Press. Thank you, sir, it's great
to meet you and I appreciate you sharing Lee's insights.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Thank you. I am talking Saturday night at the performance
of this music called in Bowling Green Awesome at the
Southern Kentucky Performing Arts Center in Bowling Green known as Skypack,
and if people want to see about tickets the Skypack

(15:25):
skypac dot org is the website for like.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
A ninety five year old man who can give the
correct web address. That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Well, I'm an impressive person.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Caver, Mister Caver, I'm never using that S word again.
Good for you, Roger Brucker. The book is called Trap
the Story of Floyd Collins reissue coming out next month.
Great word back in a minute. This report is sponsored
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