September 11, 2023 • 10 mins
Swedish inventor Tord Wingren (the guy who invented Bluetooth) and BrainLIT CEO Kyle Harris talk the benefits of sunlight on health and mental health and BrainLIT's efforts to bring simulated sunlight inside...
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(00:00):
In the studio. Well, that'swe have some gentlemen from a company called
brain Lit. One of them istoward Wendren. Welcome. It's good to
have you here. Thank you somuch. You were born in Tennessee.
I'm born in Housing Boys and soI was sween Actually I think we were
there one time. I've drifted allaround this world. That little Baltic Sea
(00:21):
run a few years ago, soeverything reindeer meat, it was pretty good,
that's what I recall. Only thenorth it sweet. We had the
reindeer well, they were selling itdown at the shore. Uh. You're
kind of a famous guy. You'vehad a pretty good run, don't you
have like twenty eight patents on things? That's right. One of them is
(00:42):
a word that the people are familiarwith called bluetooth. That's correct. Yeah,
So what did you just wake upin the middle of the night one
night and thought I got an idealistening. No, it was too many
courts between the mobile phones and theaccessories, so I had to get rid
of them. Wasn't it amazing?You know, just how bungled all that
(01:02):
stuff was, and everybody's carrying arounda whole suitcase. It looked like they
had an artificial heart mechanism just tomake a call. Yeah, that's true.
And obviously, you know, goinginto the future, people just think
we're all going to be able tojust telepathically communicate. I mean, sooner
or later, it seems like thehuman beast will be able to communicate.
(01:23):
Yeah, without any sort of technologyexcept for a chip, I guess somewhere.
So you've had a pretty good run, mister Wenren. And now with
a company called brain Lit. KyleHarris is also on the studio with us.
He's chief executive officer. Good tomeet you, sir, Thank you.
Good to see I've heard some amazingthings about brain Lit. Tell me
(01:44):
the basic premise. The basic principleis that we are recreating the daylight outdoor
lights indoors and taking the indoors andit does a lot for people who's spending
a lot of the time indoors instatic lighting. So we to replace all
static lighting with the dynamic light tohelp our bodies body clocks to actually work
(02:06):
in a synchronized manner, and thatwill help your sleep and immune system to
actually be strengthened. So, Kyle, our lives are somewhat hampered by just
being under like these artificial lights.I'm under right now. Absolutely, you
spend so much time indoors now workingyou go from your house to your card,
your office in back. You justdon't get enough natural sunlight, and
(02:28):
that lack of sun natural triggers thensuppresses your natural biology. So we're trying
to bring all of the healthy stuffindoors, so as you work inside,
it's a better space for you.I've heard, you know obviously over the
years that there's a vitamin D deficiencyby not being in enough sunshine. But
what else are we talking about?What do you mean the bodies, the
(02:49):
body's brain mechanisms. Yeah, inthe brain, we have two pass from
our eyes. One is directly goingto the visual center, which we will
know about since long time back fromthe rods and cones. But there was
a discover of the third receptor,which is actually taking in the daylight to
(03:09):
give the body the understanding of whereduring the day we actually are and the
different systems in the in our body, for example, the melatonine and courtisol
hormone system needs those kind of signalscoming from the brain, but that's a
separate nerve path from the retinal gangingcells. As the third receptor in school,
(03:34):
which actually helps this master clock inthe brain to give the right signal
to the rest of the body.If it cannot get that from a static
lighting, it starts to drift.So after a long time indoors, it's
starting to shift more and more andmore, and you get more sickness and
a lot of yeah, other sicknesses. Okay, in the summertime, it's
(03:59):
light for so many hours. It'slight until ten o'clock at night, it
gets light at six, five thirtyin the morning, whatever it is.
There are parts of the world,well we're talking about Sweden absolutely, you
know, there are parts of theworld you know where it's it's only light
for an hour and a half aday during certain times of the year.
What happens to bodies then and brainsthen, I mean the deficiency has to
(04:20):
make it life really crazy, right, yeah, it does. And there
is a many studies looking at thiskind of direction where if the longer north
you're coming, actually there are moredepressions, they're more sickness is due to
the lack of light. So livingclose to the equator, of course,
is quite good because then you havealmost no seasonal changes at all. But
(04:44):
if the generation after generation has beenspending the time during in a specific geographic
location, the body has started toadopt a little bit to that. But
if you're actually moving, which peopleare doing today from one year graphic location
solve to a more north that alot of problems coming in and there we
can do a lot of help withour lighting system. Kyle, what's a
(05:08):
practical application for this in terms ofwhat do you want to put this in
stores? You want to put itin people's homes, offices. We have
it across the board. We haveit in schools that helps kids be more
focused and there are scores. Theirtest scores go up because they're more focused
and their education or retention is higher. We do it in commercial retail.
The stores look better the close ofthe right color, and the employees are
(05:30):
healthier. So what is it?Is it? We know where everybody knows
since we're on the radio, whata fluorescent tube looks like? What shape
is this? Where is the lightcast from? So it's a it's a
it's an LED light engine that ismodulated to deliver the right intensity, color,
and spectrum of light to deal withthe photoreceptors that towards speaks about So
(05:51):
if you get the right kind oflight at the right time of day,
then your body is naturally synchronized.When you do that, then you go
to sleep faster, you sleep better, you wake up more energized. When
you're at work in the right lightenvironment, you're more focused and energized,
making fewer mistakes at work. Soif you get the right light throughout the
day, you create a more healthytotal environment. The fact that we spend
(06:13):
six eight ten hours a day inan office under whatever your office might be,
a hospital, school, or likewe are right here, you want
to create that environment of better healthby giving you the right light triggers throughout
your day. And then people thatwork night shifts, they're getting the wrong
light at the wrong time of day, and so we can modulate all that
to help the different types of peopleget the best light. So what do
(06:39):
you have in terms of data analysis? I mean, this is not a
long term situation. So do youhave some sort of short term improvement that
you can show people? Oh?Yes, I mean we have today a
lot of scientific data, which iswhere there is a big scientific community is
(07:00):
actually supporting our data. So wehave a consensus with the scientific community.
So now we're going into more andmore of basically doing a standard out of
it as well. And will itbe generally available for individuals or only like
big buildings or companies. So rightnow our current platform is more commercial,
(07:23):
but we are moving more of aresidential solution. In a perfect world,
you'll have it in your home andthen you'll go to your office and then
wherever you are that's not outside willbe given you the right light at the
right time of day. But haveyou talked to developers, like somebody who's
going to build a building. Absolutelyso we have full buildings and throughout Europe
that are built in biocentric light.We're designing buildings here. We're talking with
(07:45):
the local government here in Louisville aboutthings to do to make different workplace environments
healthier. So we have also licensedconcept making it possible for aluminum manufacturers actually
to come to us and be ableto do loom and as according to the
rest of paces as we can givethem. What about climate impact? People
(08:07):
always talked about, you know,the incandescent light bulb and this, and
we're moving to this an LED thisor that or whatever. Is this a
smaller footprint. What are we talkingabout, Well, because it's a basic
an LED light package is more energyefficient is a base concept. We're actually
putting something into the theory of sustainable, which is the human characteristics of how
do you make people healthier while underthis type of light. So legacy LED
(08:31):
was more energy efficient and maybe brighterand clearer, but it didn't take into
account how it actually affects the naturalbiology of a person. We're trying to
make people healthier while being sustainable aswell, so you get all the energy
efficiency plus health and how we approachit. It sounds fantastic and any anything
that helps improve the human condition.I mean, we all have to welcome
(08:52):
in whatever way we can. That'sthat's the whole idea. Yeah, that's
your passion. You've been doing thatfor a long time. It's great to
meet you. Thank you so much. I appreciate you dropping by here today.
Toward Win Gren and Kyle Harris,both with Brainlet. Where can people
read more about this brainlet dot com? Okay, lit is l i T
(09:13):
Obviously it's br ai n l iT one word spell at that way dot
com and you can go there andfind out more about this process. That
could help us all sleep a littlebit better, wouldn't that bean this I
guess I don't need to even askthis, but people who like to sleep
with the TV light on all night, they're making a bad choice, aren't
they. Yes, there's some peoplethat can't sleep unless it's on. It's
(09:37):
like, wow, that is kindof odd, because you know, I
like to wake up and see AndyGriffith at three in the morning. But
it's like, this doesn't seem likea good idea. Great to meet both
of you, guys. Hope,I hope you're able to help out the
Louisville local government. We can useall the help we can get. Thank
you so much. Thanks gentlemen,Todd win Gren excuse me toward Windgren and
Kyle Harris, and the company's calledbrain Let. It's br I N l
(10:00):
I T dot com. Back ina minute.
In the studio. Well, that'swe have some gentlemen from a company called
brain Lit. One of them istoward Wendren. Welcome. It's good to
have you here. Thank you somuch. You were born in Tennessee.
I'm born in Housing Boys and soI was sween Actually I think we were
there one time. I've drifted allaround this world. That little Baltic Sea
(00:21):
run a few years ago, soeverything reindeer meat, it was pretty good,
that's what I recall. Only thenorth it sweet. We had the
reindeer well, they were selling itdown at the shore. Uh. You're
kind of a famous guy. You'vehad a pretty good run, don't you
have like twenty eight patents on things? That's right. One of them is
(00:42):
a word that the people are familiarwith called bluetooth. That's correct. Yeah,
So what did you just wake upin the middle of the night one
night and thought I got an idealistening. No, it was too many
courts between the mobile phones and theaccessories, so I had to get rid
of them. Wasn't it amazing?You know, just how bungled all that
(01:02):
stuff was, and everybody's carrying arounda whole suitcase. It looked like they
had an artificial heart mechanism just tomake a call. Yeah, that's true.
And obviously, you know, goinginto the future, people just think
we're all going to be able tojust telepathically communicate. I mean, sooner
or later, it seems like thehuman beast will be able to communicate.
(01:23):
Yeah, without any sort of technologyexcept for a chip, I guess somewhere.
So you've had a pretty good run, mister Wenren. And now with
a company called brain Lit. KyleHarris is also on the studio with us.
He's chief executive officer. Good tomeet you, sir, Thank you.
Good to see I've heard some amazingthings about brain Lit. Tell me
(01:44):
the basic premise. The basic principleis that we are recreating the daylight outdoor
lights indoors and taking the indoors andit does a lot for people who's spending
a lot of the time indoors instatic lighting. So we to replace all
static lighting with the dynamic light tohelp our bodies body clocks to actually work
(02:06):
in a synchronized manner, and thatwill help your sleep and immune system to
actually be strengthened. So, Kyle, our lives are somewhat hampered by just
being under like these artificial lights.I'm under right now. Absolutely, you
spend so much time indoors now workingyou go from your house to your card,
your office in back. You justdon't get enough natural sunlight, and
(02:28):
that lack of sun natural triggers thensuppresses your natural biology. So we're trying
to bring all of the healthy stuffindoors, so as you work inside,
it's a better space for you.I've heard, you know obviously over the
years that there's a vitamin D deficiencyby not being in enough sunshine. But
what else are we talking about?What do you mean the bodies, the
(02:49):
body's brain mechanisms. Yeah, inthe brain, we have two pass from
our eyes. One is directly goingto the visual center, which we will
know about since long time back fromthe rods and cones. But there was
a discover of the third receptor,which is actually taking in the daylight to
(03:09):
give the body the understanding of whereduring the day we actually are and the
different systems in the in our body, for example, the melatonine and courtisol
hormone system needs those kind of signalscoming from the brain, but that's a
separate nerve path from the retinal gangingcells. As the third receptor in school,
(03:34):
which actually helps this master clock inthe brain to give the right signal
to the rest of the body.If it cannot get that from a static
lighting, it starts to drift.So after a long time indoors, it's
starting to shift more and more andmore, and you get more sickness and
a lot of yeah, other sicknesses. Okay, in the summertime, it's
(03:59):
light for so many hours. It'slight until ten o'clock at night, it
gets light at six, five thirtyin the morning, whatever it is.
There are parts of the world,well we're talking about Sweden absolutely, you
know, there are parts of theworld you know where it's it's only light
for an hour and a half aday during certain times of the year.
What happens to bodies then and brainsthen, I mean the deficiency has to
(04:20):
make it life really crazy, right, yeah, it does. And there
is a many studies looking at thiskind of direction where if the longer north
you're coming, actually there are moredepressions, they're more sickness is due to
the lack of light. So livingclose to the equator, of course,
is quite good because then you havealmost no seasonal changes at all. But
(04:44):
if the generation after generation has beenspending the time during in a specific geographic
location, the body has started toadopt a little bit to that. But
if you're actually moving, which peopleare doing today from one year graphic location
solve to a more north that alot of problems coming in and there we
can do a lot of help withour lighting system. Kyle, what's a
(05:08):
practical application for this in terms ofwhat do you want to put this in
stores? You want to put itin people's homes, offices. We have
it across the board. We haveit in schools that helps kids be more
focused and there are scores. Theirtest scores go up because they're more focused
and their education or retention is higher. We do it in commercial retail.
The stores look better the close ofthe right color, and the employees are
(05:30):
healthier. So what is it?Is it? We know where everybody knows
since we're on the radio, whata fluorescent tube looks like? What shape
is this? Where is the lightcast from? So it's a it's a
it's an LED light engine that ismodulated to deliver the right intensity, color,
and spectrum of light to deal withthe photoreceptors that towards speaks about So
(05:51):
if you get the right kind oflight at the right time of day,
then your body is naturally synchronized.When you do that, then you go
to sleep faster, you sleep better, you wake up more energized. When
you're at work in the right lightenvironment, you're more focused and energized,
making fewer mistakes at work. Soif you get the right light throughout the
day, you create a more healthytotal environment. The fact that we spend
(06:13):
six eight ten hours a day inan office under whatever your office might be,
a hospital, school, or likewe are right here, you want
to create that environment of better healthby giving you the right light triggers throughout
your day. And then people thatwork night shifts, they're getting the wrong
light at the wrong time of day, and so we can modulate all that
to help the different types of peopleget the best light. So what do
(06:39):
you have in terms of data analysis? I mean, this is not a
long term situation. So do youhave some sort of short term improvement that
you can show people? Oh?Yes, I mean we have today a
lot of scientific data, which iswhere there is a big scientific community is
(07:00):
actually supporting our data. So wehave a consensus with the scientific community.
So now we're going into more andmore of basically doing a standard out of
it as well. And will itbe generally available for individuals or only like
big buildings or companies. So rightnow our current platform is more commercial,
(07:23):
but we are moving more of aresidential solution. In a perfect world,
you'll have it in your home andthen you'll go to your office and then
wherever you are that's not outside willbe given you the right light at the
right time of day. But haveyou talked to developers, like somebody who's
going to build a building. Absolutelyso we have full buildings and throughout Europe
that are built in biocentric light.We're designing buildings here. We're talking with
(07:45):
the local government here in Louisville aboutthings to do to make different workplace environments
healthier. So we have also licensedconcept making it possible for aluminum manufacturers actually
to come to us and be ableto do loom and as according to the
rest of paces as we can givethem. What about climate impact? People
(08:07):
always talked about, you know,the incandescent light bulb and this, and
we're moving to this an LED thisor that or whatever. Is this a
smaller footprint. What are we talkingabout, Well, because it's a basic
an LED light package is more energyefficient is a base concept. We're actually
putting something into the theory of sustainable, which is the human characteristics of how
do you make people healthier while underthis type of light. So legacy LED
(08:31):
was more energy efficient and maybe brighterand clearer, but it didn't take into
account how it actually affects the naturalbiology of a person. We're trying to
make people healthier while being sustainable aswell, so you get all the energy
efficiency plus health and how we approachit. It sounds fantastic and any anything
that helps improve the human condition.I mean, we all have to welcome
(08:52):
in whatever way we can. That'sthat's the whole idea. Yeah, that's
your passion. You've been doing thatfor a long time. It's great to
meet you. Thank you so much. I appreciate you dropping by here today.
Toward Win Gren and Kyle Harris,both with Brainlet. Where can people
read more about this brainlet dot com? Okay, lit is l i T
(09:13):
Obviously it's br ai n l iT one word spell at that way dot
com and you can go there andfind out more about this process. That
could help us all sleep a littlebit better, wouldn't that bean this I
guess I don't need to even askthis, but people who like to sleep
with the TV light on all night, they're making a bad choice, aren't
they. Yes, there's some peoplethat can't sleep unless it's on. It's
(09:37):
like, wow, that is kindof odd, because you know, I
like to wake up and see AndyGriffith at three in the morning. But
it's like, this doesn't seem likea good idea. Great to meet both
of you, guys. Hope,I hope you're able to help out the
Louisville local government. We can useall the help we can get. Thank
you so much. Thanks gentlemen,Todd win Gren excuse me toward Windgren and
Kyle Harris, and the company's calledbrain Let. It's br I N l
(10:00):
I T dot com. Back ina minute.
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