August 7, 2025 • 19 mins
Rep. Brett Guthrie on tariffs, Big Beautiful Bill, the Apple investment in Kentucky, AM Radio in Cars, Thomas Massie, and Jamie Comer for governor
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're a news radio eight forty whas Terry miners here.
Congressman Brett Guthrie in studio, it's been a while, down goodness.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A while since we've been together.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Well, you've been kind of busy. You've had a busy
twenty twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not over. It's not over.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Six months into my chairmanship with an Energy and Commerce Committee.
So my my deer, I call it my dear people
that I get to represent and allow me to be
in Washington long enough to chair one of the powerful
committees in Washington, d C. So it's it's been a
lot of work, and we do all things energy, telecom, healthcare,
and so a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Obviously you've had a heck of year. But let's start
with big beautiful Bill. I mean, obviously you had to
ride herd on that right, and there's a lot of
pushback and then all of a sudden, we do see
results that are coming from all.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This results are coming.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And so the thing that I've talked to in the
Kentucky hospitals that I worked with, outstanding to work with,
we sat down and say, all right, water, some things
that we can do can't do of course, nobody wants
any any cuts in their spending.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But we have a trillion dollars worth of DA. We
have twenty dollars with a dad.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm not saying they endorse the final bill, but we
sat down and said, why don't we look at things?
And so Biden said, you can't take potentially can't take
people off medicate. So we took if you're illegal, if
you're ineligible, you come off medici, illegal and eligible and
able able body workers. I know Kentucky passed that, I
got vetoed by governor share but now it's going to
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be federal law that able body people, people that are
they don't have a dependent jib. They're healthy, they're not disabled,
they're not taking care of they're taking care of their parents.
And so I'm sixty one, So you lose your job
at sixty one. Until you're sixty five, you can volunteer
at your chirt, you can volunteer at your centegal, you
can volunteer for a community organization. It's just if you're
going to get free health care, you should have you
(01:43):
should have some you have some responsibility forward.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And that's what we did. And the other thing is
there was some questions.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So if you're a disabled child, the way the system
set up and when you go to you go to
a provider, the federal government pays seventy two percent, state
paced twenty eight percent. The Affordable Care Act and wanting
to expand, so if you're able bodied, the expansion, say
Kentucky expanded not by the legislature, but a previous governor
expanded it by executive order. And the federal government pays
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ninety percent and the state pays ten. Now, after this
is what people are talking about, the cuts. After this
bill pass and tomorrow and the next day and four
years from now, the federal government will pay ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The state's responsible for ten.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
What's changed is the state's been doing a lot of
financing to get around actually putting ten percent of the
general fund money in and so it's called provider taxes.
I can get into the get to it. But the
federal government is still paying ninety percent. But we're saying
to the states, you signed up to pay ten percent,
so you have to pay your ten percent. You can't
use what Joe Biden called a scam. Now it's not
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a scam because it's legal under Medicaid, but Joe Biden
called it a scam. And so when they saw this
happening right after the Affordable Care Act came into place,
because you've got one group getting ninety percent, the other
group getting seventy two percent, Guess what you want to
spend more time on the ninety percent of coloc of state.
And so, Joe Biden, I mean, excuse me, Barack Obama,
after Joe Biden called it a scam, put in a
provision that didn't get passed.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's what we put in the bill.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So it's Barack Obama's proposal to fix what Joe Biden
called a scam. That people are going around the country
now saying that we cut Medicaid, we're going to spend
We're going to spend about three hundred billion dollars more
medicaid ten years from now than we do today.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The problem is voters and the general public, their memory
banks only seem to go back about a year, maybe
a year and a half. And all the things you
just describe people and I'll tell you to in history
what I heard is, and they believe what they'll see
on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, that's what it's good for you to have these programs.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
That's why it's going to have AM radio all right,
so we have the opportunity to do more than an
eight second sound by it, or have somebody try to
put out something that that's just not really But.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
People will squawk and they'll say, well, how come billionaires
get all these tax breaks and we're asking a guy
who likes to play video games to go to work
when he's in he's not consequential. We need to get
billionaires to pay more entire I.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Think those are separate issues.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think if somebody's going to get free health care,
you got to remember the person paying the free billionaires
are paying taxes, the people going to work at ups.
Today I was at a Walmart distribution center in Bullet County.
Those people are going every day paying their taxes, and
their taxes are going to subsidize people who don't have
health care. And I think all of us, if you're disabled,
if you're a single mother, if you're in a tough situation,
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that's society where that's what medicates for. But when the
Affordable Careacter Obamacare, we don't recall it said that you
could be able bodied and get it and get the
ninety percent match instead of the seventy two percent match.
It's not fair to the person going to work every
You can point out billionaires, there's a handful of them
you can point out, But I want to point to
the people at ups tonight. I want to point to
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the people that are you can see on the street
out here working in the construction outside of that's hot
person hosting it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, you're a billionaire, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh? Yes, many times over. That's how that goes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So I but that's that's the point is that people
point to that, But it's the regular, everyday Kentuckians going
to work that just you should have some obligations and
what is not punishment. We have one of the lowest
workforce partition participation rates is a state. So when people
are out looking for employment, there are a lot of
Kentuckians that just aren't working that can work. They're eligible
to work age wise to work, and I believe they
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will be better off if they get into the work.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
How the world are they eating? I try to that now.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's also anything I've been in business soon and you
see people show up and work for three or four
days and then they're out for a couple of like,
how do you make your I don't know how people
do it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I know that, But they're talking about Snap benefits this
week and the changes that just happen and people can't
use them for soda pop anymore. And then all that
railing about this, why are we trying to control people
drinking soda pop when we should be worried about rich people,
And it's like they aren't separate issues. But again Snap,
the end of that means nutrition. It's supposed to be
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for food that's healthy.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, the people who say that are also probably the
ones that want to attack the big gulps. Remember Bloomberg,
the big gulps. It's funny how they choose when the
shoes on the other foot. The one thing that's really
interesting and the chairman of the or the Democrat ranking
member god named Jim McGovern from Massachusetts, who I'm friendly
with and like, but he's a Medicare for All so
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he's attacking us on medical what he calls medicaid cuts.
What we say is Medicaid can only pay as much
as Medicare pays, so that's so if you do Medicare
for all. Also, he's also gonna say commercial insurance can
only pay what Medicare pays. So if people are going
around the state, around the country, some people from this
state are going around the country saying that we cut anybody.
(06:45):
And there's a particular political party that advocates for Medicare
for all.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
If they think what we.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Did is difficult for hospitals, what they propose will be devastating.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Andy Basheer and other Democrats keep saying the rural hospitals
are going to get shut down by the big ug
Lilae bill. That's what our governor calls it. Well, fifty
billion dollars was added, was it not?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
At fifty billion dollars is added for rural hospitals. But
here's the situation. They only shut down, remember if the
state government does not pay what it signed up to
pay for medici And so if he's saying they're going
to shut down, he must be saying he's not going
to put in the ten percent the provider that as
the provider taxis limited, the ten percent that goes to
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the hospitals.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I've been some hospital. They're showing me.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Numbers that were just like they were big numbers that
they say they're going to lose. And I go are
you assuming that the state government didn't do anything the
commitment that they made, And they say, well, we're assuming
that that's not going to happen. And so, as I said,
and I've talked to members of the General Assembly, they
understand it. There are some really strong, great members a
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lot of all of them that I know are really
good people. But there's something that I really know that
are in the driver's seat, and they're going to sit
down because you remember, if able body people choose not
to work, they come off the Medicaid rows.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The state saves that money.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
If they got people that are ineligible, they come off
the rows, the state saves that money. We have people
signed up in more than one or two more than
two states. We know that more than one state, so
more than in some more than two states that they
come off the rows of the state saves that money.
So the states can put that money back into the
medicaid system and not have the drastick. So Frankfurt can
prevent these drastic steps from coming if they want to
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put there, if they want to do it, and I
know members of the General Assembly who want to fix.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Up Congressman Brett Guthrie is in the studio with us.
He represents District two here in the Commonwealth of Kentucky
and the US House of Representatives. Big announcement yesterday. Apple
CEO Tim Cook is in the White House and Donald
Trump says, you know, he lets the cat out of
the bag first, that here in Kentucky we're getting a
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two and a half billion dollar investment.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Gorilla glass, that's it. I used to be in my district.
I've been in that I've been.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I used to have Herridsburg, I miss Mercer County. So
I don't know if you go that far. I know
because when I come from Frankfurt, I used to listen
to you.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I want to get the jerrymandering in a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I don't know. There's much a way you could
do Kentucky different five.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But Harronsburg was in your district, but still to.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Be in my district. And and and you're right, they
had this specific glass. It was the gorilla glass. When uh,
when Steve Gate of Steve not Steve Gate, Steve John
Steve Jobs said that we want we want to get
rid of the keyboard and tap on the glass, there
was no glass available. There's been some experiment at Corning. Oh,
we have this at at This is how this stuff works.
If you let entrepreneurs. You know what where this two
and a half billion dollars is coming from?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Uh? Tim Cook is a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Matter of Factyle I've got to meet with him, and
I said, whatever you do, don't spend a billion dollars
pluaying a football team for Auburn.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
He's an Auburn grad. So try to keep him for
and we can get into ni L.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But but but but he's a billion But so Apple
is taking money that they can invest. And some people
are going to complain in a few Well, Apple's not
paying enough taxes. They're not paying taxes on the money
that they reinvest so putting into But look how many
people will be working in Harrodsburg producing the glass.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I was very close with Corning and been to that
that planet a couple of times. And during the COVID
crisis when they're doing the vaccines, if you remember, I
had a guy call me and goes, I can't get
anybody in the White House to return my phone call.
But what kind of glass files are they going to
use to ship the vaccine? Now you can talk about
the vaccine whatever you want, but nobody can use a
vaccine if you don't have anything to ship it in,
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of course, and so we started calling and got people
plugged in from Corning so building, so that that's kind
of something happened in the COVID world. But but it's
amazing what goes on in that plant. I've been through
it at least three or four times. It's phenomenal and
it's going to be a great benefit because Kentucky needs
to participate in in the tech world that's coming with
AI and data centers.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
No doubt energy were an energy state.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So this is also an offshoot of the tariffs package
and the telling companies you've got to come home, you
gotta start you gotta start building things in America.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Again, well, you don't want to build them in China.
And so we have some friendly people. We need to
figure out how to have a europe We need to
work with Canada. Eventually we got to Mexico. We want
Mexico to be prosperous. So it takes pressure off our
southern border. But it's not even just the tariffs in China.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's footing.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You're putting your technology in China you can't trust them.
They're gonna rip you off. They're gonna put things in
in your data that you so they put We know
for a fact, in medical devices made in China, we
found that they've had sending data back to a computer.
So you're something making your heart pace. Your data is
going back to their computer at the University of Beijing.
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And and so we don't want anything happening in China
like that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think sixty minutes exposed that a long time ago,
nobody did anything about it. How many people are working
at universities or their grad students and they're stealing and
throwing it back to the China.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And it is a shame because when we were doing
business with China together and everybody was growing and they
have g come to power. His focus is on taking
back Taiwan and trying to steal our information.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You have a couple more minutes, Congressman Brett Guthrie can
hang around a few more minutes. We're going to take
a break, come back here in a few get sports,
and then back with you and a few on News
Radio eight forty WHA is appreciate that so much. Eric
Xernic things so much Congressman Brett Guthrie in the studio
(12:15):
with us. Appreciate the extra minutes here, All right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So all the.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Squabbling going on about Texas redistricting also known as jerry mandering,
are you getting a good laugh at this? People are
making some really wild claims because the Texas Democrats flew
to Illinois to get away from having a quorum.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I think it's actually in the Kentucky constitution too, that
the sergeant of Arms of the General Assembly can arrest you,
but they can't go out of state. You've seen this before,
I think at Wisconsin where General Assembly members go out
of state. So it's not a criminal arrest, it's a
sergeant arms arrest. So if you don't show up, they
can come get you. That's actually in the Kentucky Constitution
as well. So they all have state. What's interesting they
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all went to Illinois Illinois when I first got there,
and they had seven Republicans and ten Democrats. And because
of Re Disham and the last mat As a matter
of fact, Jay Pritzker, the governor Illinois, went on Colbert.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
He's he definitely is a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He's like a seven billionaire owns Hyatt Hotel and or
as he does. But his I think his great grandfather
made the money, and so they they specifically drew maps.
Had a couple of friends of mine from Illinois who
just completely drawn out of being in the General Assembly
and I mean being in Congress, and so it's it's
comical that they're there. Massachusetts probably should have one Republican,
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but the way they draw it, there's zero. There's zero
Republicans north of New England. I can tell you there
aren't zero votes in north of New York. And it's
because they jerrymander, and so it's a political process states
to it. Kentucky's five I think five to one is
probably the right balance. If you look at the politics
of Kentucky, Kentucky gets sixty five. I mean President Trump
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got probably sixty five seventy percent yes, and so when
you look at five to one, President Trump got forty
four percent in Illinois and they're three out of seventeen Republicans.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, Kentucky's makeup does show itself in that. Even though
in Kentucky, the first district that is so you know,
wriggled around.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
There, wraps around well, if the first district Unfortunately, Western
Kentucky has depopulated quite a bit, so did eastern Kentucky.
And so when they were doing redistricting, Jamie Comer had
to grow his district the first how Rogers had to
grow and so that kind of ate into our Our
areas are growing, like Lexington, so Andy Barr, myself.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Louisville kind of state's down now.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, the part of Louisville out on the rim of
louisvill which I have, is growing, but you know the
down so uh So. Morgan McGarvey has essentially most of Louisville.
I have out the Snyder around Valhalla, Fisherville, uh, Copperfield Court.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You how do you get along with McGarvey the Democrat
Lane We.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Worked well together.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
We just have disagreed recently on a couple of things,
and but we worked well together.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He's a he's a.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Genuine, genuinely good guy, and we we people think we
fight all the time, but we don't. I mean not
just me and Morgan, but I mean Congress all the time.
Of course, we've got to find ways to work together.
Some people fight all the time, and some people want
us to fight all the time. But I think the
most part we've got to find particularly an energy. I'm
trying to find the sweet spot to get bipartisanship. So
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if you think about what's going on in Harzburg, could
you imagine if a multi billion dollar data center was
to come here for AI, for Apple or those kind
of companies. But you have to have the energy to
do it. And Kentucky has it, America has it, and
so it takes, like I said, Bill Gates at a
Microsoft data center US as much power as a city
of Seattle.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, there's a thirty year investment, and you've got to
know that the political climate is as stable as.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
It can be.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But there's a NIMBI problem. Oldham County just just denied
some sort of big, huge thing for the Nimby's not
in my back.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Right exactly, But there are places in Kentucky that want them,
and they're a place across the country that want them.
Where we do all of them is in China, right,
that's exactly here.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Or China's going to build their own. We don't want
them to out do us.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What else is on the docket for your energy and commerce, Well.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Our biggest thing is going to be AI, and people
like Eric Schmid from Google, if testified before our committee,
how do we so these guys will come before? He
was saw Tim Cook just on television. He said, Uh,
they said, we have the brain power, we have the capacity.
What we don't have in America to beat China is
the energy, which we have. We just need to get
around reform, permitting, reform. You know a project is going
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to happen, We know it's going to happen, can take
ten years because of all the lawsuits and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So we have to fix that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
What we don't want to be China where you say
it's going here, move If we don't want to just
put in somebody's backyard that absolutely doesn't want it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
That's what China would do.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Of course, we have to have a system where they
just can't block it from people who do want it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And that's what we have here.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Energy regulations, you talk about our.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Energy regulation, permitting reform, energy regulations, making sure we don't
take co plants offline that are already there that they're
just afraid to reinvest to keep on running because they're right,
somebody's gonna put them out of business. Not even new
cold plants, which I would be.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
For, don't we sell a lot overseas.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We can do a lot of coal overseas.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
China's been in two co plants a week, so if
we if we shut down coal plants, we can't produce
the energy to produce the AI. China's gonna win the
battle with coal unless China has a different climate than us,
which I don't believe they do. I don't think anybody
on Earth has a different climate than we do.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They have different climates, but different atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I guess I should say then they're gonna pollute, They're
gonna we're gonna we're gonna use energy cleaner than anybody
else in the world.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And so we don't need to see that too.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
China makes sense. My boss will asking about this too,
Am and Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
We are we will be having a uh, we'll be
moving it probably right when we get back after labor Day.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I'd love to hear that, all right, because you and
I discussed that before we were here.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well, we were gonna do something to the end of July,
and in the house floor got kind of clogged up
with some other things, and so we are looking to
try to get that moving.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All right, All good with family and everybody happy, and
you're no.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Guy's good and new grand babies on my side, so
i have two new ones this summer, so I'm up
to five now old.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
This is five five.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Congratulations, it's fine, It's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
If I have fourteen, I'll tie your your siblings the
miners family, Yeah, minor family.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But you are obviously you know, it's in a very
powerful position right now. Looks like Jamie Comer that said
pretty much a fancy farm. He's going to run for governor.
So you're in kind of the driver's seat right now. Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
This this committee, it is one of the top committees
in Washington, no.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Doubt, I would say the best.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I mean, some people can argue corporations and ways and means,
but it certainly is speaker of the leader of the
Whip and then the three Big Committee. So when the
Oval Office meetings happen, I get to I'm there, right So, no,
I'm only there because the people of Kentucky allow me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Comber looks like he's going to move to the state level.
Do you and Thomas Massey have any kind of relationship.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We do. He's a good friend. Thomas is a good friend.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Okay, so we don't agree on a couple of things
right now, and I wish sometimes I wish you would
handle a little differently, but we are, you.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Know else his wife. Last year I checked on in
quite often.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Good Congressman Brett Guthrie. Appreciate the extra time, Thank you
for having me here. You bet you come back any
extra time. Indeed, all right back in a minute on
news radio eight forty WHS
You're a news radio eight forty whas Terry miners here.
Congressman Brett Guthrie in studio, it's been a while, down goodness.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A while since we've been together.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Well, you've been kind of busy. You've had a busy
twenty twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not over. It's not over.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Six months into my chairmanship with an Energy and Commerce Committee.
So my my deer, I call it my dear people
that I get to represent and allow me to be
in Washington long enough to chair one of the powerful
committees in Washington, d C. So it's it's been a
lot of work, and we do all things energy, telecom, healthcare,
and so a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Obviously you've had a heck of year. But let's start
with big beautiful Bill. I mean, obviously you had to
ride herd on that right, and there's a lot of
pushback and then all of a sudden, we do see
results that are coming from all.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This results are coming.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And so the thing that I've talked to in the
Kentucky hospitals that I worked with, outstanding to work with,
we sat down and say, all right, water, some things
that we can do can't do of course, nobody wants
any any cuts in their spending.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But we have a trillion dollars worth of DA. We
have twenty dollars with a dad.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm not saying they endorse the final bill, but we
sat down and said, why don't we look at things?
And so Biden said, you can't take potentially can't take
people off medicate. So we took if you're illegal, if
you're ineligible, you come off medici, illegal and eligible and
able able body workers. I know Kentucky passed that, I
got vetoed by governor share but now it's going to
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be federal law that able body people, people that are
they don't have a dependent jib. They're healthy, they're not disabled,
they're not taking care of they're taking care of their parents.
And so I'm sixty one, So you lose your job
at sixty one. Until you're sixty five, you can volunteer
at your chirt, you can volunteer at your centegal, you
can volunteer for a community organization. It's just if you're
going to get free health care, you should have you
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should have some you have some responsibility forward.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And that's what we did. And the other thing is
there was some questions.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So if you're a disabled child, the way the system
set up and when you go to you go to
a provider, the federal government pays seventy two percent, state
paced twenty eight percent. The Affordable Care Act and wanting
to expand, so if you're able bodied, the expansion, say
Kentucky expanded not by the legislature, but a previous governor
expanded it by executive order. And the federal government pays
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ninety percent and the state pays ten. Now, after this
is what people are talking about, the cuts. After this
bill pass and tomorrow and the next day and four
years from now, the federal government will pay ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The state's responsible for ten.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
What's changed is the state's been doing a lot of
financing to get around actually putting ten percent of the
general fund money in and so it's called provider taxes.
I can get into the get to it. But the
federal government is still paying ninety percent. But we're saying
to the states, you signed up to pay ten percent,
so you have to pay your ten percent. You can't
use what Joe Biden called a scam. Now it's not
(02:47):
a scam because it's legal under Medicaid, but Joe Biden
called it a scam. And so when they saw this
happening right after the Affordable Care Act came into place,
because you've got one group getting ninety percent, the other
group getting seventy two percent, Guess what you want to
spend more time on the ninety percent of coloc of state.
And so, Joe Biden, I mean, excuse me, Barack Obama,
after Joe Biden called it a scam, put in a
provision that didn't get passed.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's what we put in the bill.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So it's Barack Obama's proposal to fix what Joe Biden
called a scam. That people are going around the country
now saying that we cut Medicaid, we're going to spend
We're going to spend about three hundred billion dollars more
medicaid ten years from now than we do today.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The problem is voters and the general public, their memory
banks only seem to go back about a year, maybe
a year and a half. And all the things you
just describe people and I'll tell you to in history
what I heard is, and they believe what they'll see
on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, that's what it's good for you to have these programs.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
That's why it's going to have AM radio all right,
so we have the opportunity to do more than an
eight second sound by it, or have somebody try to
put out something that that's just not really But.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
People will squawk and they'll say, well, how come billionaires
get all these tax breaks and we're asking a guy
who likes to play video games to go to work
when he's in he's not consequential. We need to get
billionaires to pay more entire I.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Think those are separate issues.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think if somebody's going to get free health care,
you got to remember the person paying the free billionaires
are paying taxes, the people going to work at ups.
Today I was at a Walmart distribution center in Bullet County.
Those people are going every day paying their taxes, and
their taxes are going to subsidize people who don't have
health care. And I think all of us, if you're disabled,
if you're a single mother, if you're in a tough situation,
(04:29):
that's society where that's what medicates for. But when the
Affordable Careacter Obamacare, we don't recall it said that you
could be able bodied and get it and get the
ninety percent match instead of the seventy two percent match.
It's not fair to the person going to work every
You can point out billionaires, there's a handful of them
you can point out, But I want to point to
the people at ups tonight. I want to point to
(04:51):
the people that are you can see on the street
out here working in the construction outside of that's hot
person hosting it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, you're a billionaire, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh? Yes, many times over. That's how that goes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So I but that's that's the point is that people
point to that, But it's the regular, everyday Kentuckians going
to work that just you should have some obligations and
what is not punishment. We have one of the lowest
workforce partition participation rates is a state. So when people
are out looking for employment, there are a lot of
Kentuckians that just aren't working that can work. They're eligible
to work age wise to work, and I believe they
(05:27):
will be better off if they get into the work.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
How the world are they eating? I try to that now.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's also anything I've been in business soon and you
see people show up and work for three or four
days and then they're out for a couple of like,
how do you make your I don't know how people
do it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I know that, But they're talking about Snap benefits this
week and the changes that just happen and people can't
use them for soda pop anymore. And then all that
railing about this, why are we trying to control people
drinking soda pop when we should be worried about rich people,
And it's like they aren't separate issues. But again Snap,
the end of that means nutrition. It's supposed to be
(06:02):
for food that's healthy.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, the people who say that are also probably the
ones that want to attack the big gulps. Remember Bloomberg,
the big gulps. It's funny how they choose when the
shoes on the other foot. The one thing that's really
interesting and the chairman of the or the Democrat ranking
member god named Jim McGovern from Massachusetts, who I'm friendly
with and like, but he's a Medicare for All so
(06:24):
he's attacking us on medical what he calls medicaid cuts.
What we say is Medicaid can only pay as much
as Medicare pays, so that's so if you do Medicare
for all. Also, he's also gonna say commercial insurance can
only pay what Medicare pays. So if people are going
around the state, around the country, some people from this
state are going around the country saying that we cut anybody.
(06:45):
And there's a particular political party that advocates for Medicare
for all.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
If they think what we.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Did is difficult for hospitals, what they propose will be devastating.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Andy Basheer and other Democrats keep saying the rural hospitals
are going to get shut down by the big ug
Lilae bill. That's what our governor calls it. Well, fifty
billion dollars was added, was it not?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
At fifty billion dollars is added for rural hospitals. But
here's the situation. They only shut down, remember if the
state government does not pay what it signed up to
pay for medici And so if he's saying they're going
to shut down, he must be saying he's not going
to put in the ten percent the provider that as
the provider taxis limited, the ten percent that goes to
(07:26):
the hospitals.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I've been some hospital. They're showing me.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Numbers that were just like they were big numbers that
they say they're going to lose. And I go are
you assuming that the state government didn't do anything the
commitment that they made, And they say, well, we're assuming
that that's not going to happen. And so, as I said,
and I've talked to members of the General Assembly, they
understand it. There are some really strong, great members a
(07:49):
lot of all of them that I know are really
good people. But there's something that I really know that
are in the driver's seat, and they're going to sit
down because you remember, if able body people choose not
to work, they come off the Medicaid rows.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The state saves that money.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
If they got people that are ineligible, they come off
the rows, the state saves that money. We have people
signed up in more than one or two more than
two states. We know that more than one state, so
more than in some more than two states that they
come off the rows of the state saves that money.
So the states can put that money back into the
medicaid system and not have the drastick. So Frankfurt can
prevent these drastic steps from coming if they want to
(08:24):
put there, if they want to do it, and I
know members of the General Assembly who want to fix.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Up Congressman Brett Guthrie is in the studio with us.
He represents District two here in the Commonwealth of Kentucky
and the US House of Representatives. Big announcement yesterday. Apple
CEO Tim Cook is in the White House and Donald
Trump says, you know, he lets the cat out of
the bag first, that here in Kentucky we're getting a
(08:49):
two and a half billion dollar investment.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Gorilla glass, that's it. I used to be in my district.
I've been in that I've been.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I used to have Herridsburg, I miss Mercer County. So
I don't know if you go that far. I know
because when I come from Frankfurt, I used to listen
to you.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I want to get the jerrymandering in a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I don't know. There's much a way you could
do Kentucky different five.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But Harronsburg was in your district, but still to.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Be in my district. And and and you're right, they
had this specific glass. It was the gorilla glass. When uh,
when Steve Gate of Steve not Steve Gate, Steve John
Steve Jobs said that we want we want to get
rid of the keyboard and tap on the glass, there
was no glass available. There's been some experiment at Corning. Oh,
we have this at at This is how this stuff works.
If you let entrepreneurs. You know what where this two
and a half billion dollars is coming from?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Uh? Tim Cook is a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Matter of Factyle I've got to meet with him, and
I said, whatever you do, don't spend a billion dollars
pluaying a football team for Auburn.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
He's an Auburn grad. So try to keep him for
and we can get into ni L.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But but but but he's a billion But so Apple
is taking money that they can invest. And some people
are going to complain in a few Well, Apple's not
paying enough taxes. They're not paying taxes on the money
that they reinvest so putting into But look how many
people will be working in Harrodsburg producing the glass.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I was very close with Corning and been to that
that planet a couple of times. And during the COVID
crisis when they're doing the vaccines, if you remember, I
had a guy call me and goes, I can't get
anybody in the White House to return my phone call.
But what kind of glass files are they going to
use to ship the vaccine? Now you can talk about
the vaccine whatever you want, but nobody can use a
vaccine if you don't have anything to ship it in,
(10:27):
of course, and so we started calling and got people
plugged in from Corning so building, so that that's kind
of something happened in the COVID world. But but it's
amazing what goes on in that plant. I've been through
it at least three or four times. It's phenomenal and
it's going to be a great benefit because Kentucky needs
to participate in in the tech world that's coming with
AI and data centers.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
No doubt energy were an energy state.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So this is also an offshoot of the tariffs package
and the telling companies you've got to come home, you
gotta start you gotta start building things in America.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Again, well, you don't want to build them in China.
And so we have some friendly people. We need to
figure out how to have a europe We need to
work with Canada. Eventually we got to Mexico. We want
Mexico to be prosperous. So it takes pressure off our
southern border. But it's not even just the tariffs in China.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's footing.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You're putting your technology in China you can't trust them.
They're gonna rip you off. They're gonna put things in
in your data that you so they put We know
for a fact, in medical devices made in China, we
found that they've had sending data back to a computer.
So you're something making your heart pace. Your data is
going back to their computer at the University of Beijing.
(11:32):
And and so we don't want anything happening in China
like that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think sixty minutes exposed that a long time ago,
nobody did anything about it. How many people are working
at universities or their grad students and they're stealing and
throwing it back to the China.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And it is a shame because when we were doing
business with China together and everybody was growing and they
have g come to power. His focus is on taking
back Taiwan and trying to steal our information.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You have a couple more minutes, Congressman Brett Guthrie can
hang around a few more minutes. We're going to take
a break, come back here in a few get sports,
and then back with you and a few on News
Radio eight forty WHA is appreciate that so much. Eric
Xernic things so much Congressman Brett Guthrie in the studio
(12:15):
with us. Appreciate the extra minutes here, All right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So all the.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Squabbling going on about Texas redistricting also known as jerry mandering,
are you getting a good laugh at this? People are
making some really wild claims because the Texas Democrats flew
to Illinois to get away from having a quorum.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I think it's actually in the Kentucky constitution too, that
the sergeant of Arms of the General Assembly can arrest you,
but they can't go out of state. You've seen this before,
I think at Wisconsin where General Assembly members go out
of state. So it's not a criminal arrest, it's a
sergeant arms arrest. So if you don't show up, they
can come get you. That's actually in the Kentucky Constitution
as well. So they all have state. What's interesting they
(12:53):
all went to Illinois Illinois when I first got there,
and they had seven Republicans and ten Democrats. And because
of Re Disham and the last mat As a matter
of fact, Jay Pritzker, the governor Illinois, went on Colbert.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
He's he definitely is a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He's like a seven billionaire owns Hyatt Hotel and or
as he does. But his I think his great grandfather
made the money, and so they they specifically drew maps.
Had a couple of friends of mine from Illinois who
just completely drawn out of being in the General Assembly
and I mean being in Congress, and so it's it's
comical that they're there. Massachusetts probably should have one Republican,
(13:29):
but the way they draw it, there's zero. There's zero
Republicans north of New England. I can tell you there
aren't zero votes in north of New York. And it's
because they jerrymander, and so it's a political process states
to it. Kentucky's five I think five to one is
probably the right balance. If you look at the politics
of Kentucky, Kentucky gets sixty five. I mean President Trump
(13:50):
got probably sixty five seventy percent yes, and so when
you look at five to one, President Trump got forty
four percent in Illinois and they're three out of seventeen Republicans.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, Kentucky's makeup does show itself in that. Even though
in Kentucky, the first district that is so you know,
wriggled around.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
There, wraps around well, if the first district Unfortunately, Western
Kentucky has depopulated quite a bit, so did eastern Kentucky.
And so when they were doing redistricting, Jamie Comer had
to grow his district the first how Rogers had to
grow and so that kind of ate into our Our
areas are growing, like Lexington, so Andy Barr, myself.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Louisville kind of state's down now.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, the part of Louisville out on the rim of
louisvill which I have, is growing, but you know the
down so uh So. Morgan McGarvey has essentially most of Louisville.
I have out the Snyder around Valhalla, Fisherville, uh, Copperfield Court.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You how do you get along with McGarvey the Democrat
Lane We.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Worked well together.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
We just have disagreed recently on a couple of things,
and but we worked well together.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He's a he's a.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Genuine, genuinely good guy, and we we people think we
fight all the time, but we don't. I mean not
just me and Morgan, but I mean Congress all the time.
Of course, we've got to find ways to work together.
Some people fight all the time, and some people want
us to fight all the time. But I think the
most part we've got to find particularly an energy. I'm
trying to find the sweet spot to get bipartisanship. So
(15:14):
if you think about what's going on in Harzburg, could
you imagine if a multi billion dollar data center was
to come here for AI, for Apple or those kind
of companies. But you have to have the energy to
do it. And Kentucky has it, America has it, and
so it takes, like I said, Bill Gates at a
Microsoft data center US as much power as a city
of Seattle.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, there's a thirty year investment, and you've got to
know that the political climate is as stable as.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
It can be.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But there's a NIMBI problem. Oldham County just just denied
some sort of big, huge thing for the Nimby's not
in my back.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Right exactly, But there are places in Kentucky that want them,
and they're a place across the country that want them.
Where we do all of them is in China, right,
that's exactly here.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Or China's going to build their own. We don't want
them to out do us.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What else is on the docket for your energy and commerce, Well.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Our biggest thing is going to be AI, and people
like Eric Schmid from Google, if testified before our committee,
how do we so these guys will come before? He
was saw Tim Cook just on television. He said, Uh,
they said, we have the brain power, we have the capacity.
What we don't have in America to beat China is
the energy, which we have. We just need to get
around reform, permitting, reform. You know a project is going
(16:27):
to happen, We know it's going to happen, can take
ten years because of all the lawsuits and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So we have to fix that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
What we don't want to be China where you say
it's going here, move If we don't want to just
put in somebody's backyard that absolutely doesn't want it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
That's what China would do.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Of course, we have to have a system where they
just can't block it from people who do want it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And that's what we have here.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Energy regulations, you talk about our.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Energy regulation, permitting reform, energy regulations, making sure we don't
take co plants offline that are already there that they're
just afraid to reinvest to keep on running because they're right,
somebody's gonna put them out of business. Not even new
cold plants, which I would be.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
For, don't we sell a lot overseas.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We can do a lot of coal overseas.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
China's been in two co plants a week, so if
we if we shut down coal plants, we can't produce
the energy to produce the AI. China's gonna win the
battle with coal unless China has a different climate than us,
which I don't believe they do. I don't think anybody
on Earth has a different climate than we do.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They have different climates, but different atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I guess I should say then they're gonna pollute, They're
gonna we're gonna we're gonna use energy cleaner than anybody
else in the world.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And so we don't need to see that too.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
China makes sense. My boss will asking about this too,
Am and Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
We are we will be having a uh, we'll be
moving it probably right when we get back after labor Day.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I'd love to hear that, all right, because you and
I discussed that before we were here.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well, we were gonna do something to the end of July,
and in the house floor got kind of clogged up
with some other things, and so we are looking to
try to get that moving.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All right, All good with family and everybody happy, and
you're no.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Guy's good and new grand babies on my side, so
i have two new ones this summer, so I'm up
to five now old.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
This is five five.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Congratulations, it's fine, It's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
If I have fourteen, I'll tie your your siblings the
miners family, Yeah, minor family.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But you are obviously you know, it's in a very
powerful position right now. Looks like Jamie Comer that said
pretty much a fancy farm. He's going to run for governor.
So you're in kind of the driver's seat right now. Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
This this committee, it is one of the top committees
in Washington, no.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Doubt, I would say the best.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I mean, some people can argue corporations and ways and means,
but it certainly is speaker of the leader of the
Whip and then the three Big Committee. So when the
Oval Office meetings happen, I get to I'm there, right So, no,
I'm only there because the people of Kentucky allow me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Comber looks like he's going to move to the state level.
Do you and Thomas Massey have any kind of relationship.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We do. He's a good friend. Thomas is a good friend.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Okay, so we don't agree on a couple of things
right now, and I wish sometimes I wish you would
handle a little differently, but we are, you.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Know else his wife. Last year I checked on in
quite often.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Good Congressman Brett Guthrie. Appreciate the extra time, Thank you
for having me here. You bet you come back any
extra time. Indeed, all right back in a minute on
news radio eight forty WHS
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