May 8, 2024 • 15 mins
FBI Special Agent in Charge Michael Stansbury and Chief Division Lawyer Tim Beam discuss the efforts to lower crime and make the city safer, what makes gang activity so hard to get under control, getting guns off the streets, and how you can get involved in a variety of community outreach opportunities offered by the Bureau...
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(00:00):
All right, I want to welcomein some guests this hour from the I
(00:04):
haven't checked the roster to Oh,the FBI's here. I always like when
the FBI drops by. I lovetelling the story of when I had to
I had to meet with an agentbecause someone had stolen a bunch of money
and I had given money to hisfake charity. I wrote a check,
and just like in the movies,the FBI contacted me and they said,
(00:25):
hey, can we verify some ofyou? You bet see at nine o'clock
Monday, nine o'clock that Monday morning, ding dong, And I answered the
door and a guy shows me asbad. It's like just liking the movies.
I got to say, this isso cool. And then all he
says said is did you write thischeck to this chair? I sure did,
sir. He goes, okay,we just needed a verification of that.
Well, joining us this hour isa certain Michael Stands, very special
(00:50):
agent in charge for the Louisville Areas. Good have you here? Well,
thanks for having me, Terry,I'm glad to be here. Well.
Absolutely. And also he brought alonghis attorney, guy I've known a few
years, Chief Division Council Timothy Beam, Hello, Tim, Good to see
you, brother as always, absolutelygood to have you guys. Are we
neighbors? Are you like right overthere? It's six No, oh,
(01:11):
that's right you guys were you havemoved out to another location. Well,
it's good to have you here.I was like talking to various law enforcement
officials on the show just to sortof get updates on how we're doing in
this community, because obviously you guyshave a lot of work to do on
many levels. Is the overall climateimproving in our city, mister Stansbury,
(01:34):
I would say yes. I've beenhere about seven months, and you know,
Louisville's been through a lot, probablymore than most cities in the United
States. The whole country's really struggled. You know, you go for what's
happened the past few years, butI've really seen I believe Louisville has taken
the turn for the better and they'reon the right trajectory to getting crime down,
(01:55):
getting everything under control, and doinga really good job of policing the
the citizens of this community. Whatwe hear over and over again too,
is that we're like three hundred policeofficers short. Well, that can't be
good. For us overall. Soare we as safe? Is the cradle
of security still as sound as itwas, say, five years ago.
(02:16):
I don't know that I can reallyanswer that question. I do know yes,
when the number of officers are down, it's challenges to patrol the streets
to answer the calls. You know, LMPD has to make some tough decisions
on extra programs that they do,what they're gonna cut, what they're gonna
be able to support. But Iknow they put all their efforts out into
policing the community and doing the bestjob they can. And that's one of
(02:38):
the things where it becomes our jobin the FBI to step in and help
right Louisville the country. You don't. Local law enforcement is what drives the
policing in America. You don't haveto have an FBI. But what the
FBI does is it makes things betterin my view, when it comes to
our criminal enforcement activities. Locally,we come in and we help on cases.
(03:00):
We are able to take cases.Federally, we're able to spend the
time and the resources to go afterthe worst of the worst offenders, and
that really frees up the detectives theother officers on the department to then focus
on the day to day activities.I mean some people you will often say
the federal government has the option tocherry pick what they're going to do the
cases they do, and we do. We do, but our cherry picking
(03:21):
needs to be the right case.It needs to be the ones that these
are the bad guys that we needto get off the street, so it's
a safer place for everybody. Doyou have enough agents or is there a
shortage in your No, we're doingWe're doing pretty well right now. For
the state. We're just down avery small number of agents right now.
Our recruiting in the FBI has reallybeen top notched these past few years.
(03:42):
We've really diversified our agency. We'vegotten a lot of great agents and we're
almost at one hundred percent here.Amy has has been in here before multiple
times, obviously a predecessor, andshe talked about gang issues. So where
are we on the gang spectrum?We know there's a problem. It is
the is the problem easing, isit get worsening? Is it plateaued?
(04:08):
I would say it's in my opinion, plateau is probably a fair statement.
I think you've seen spikes, gangmembers and that's my background in the FBIS
and investigators working gang crimes. Uh. They they're criminals of crimes of opportunity,
whatever, the latest and greatest thingis that that's what they're going to
do. We've seen a spiking gangmembers getting more involved in traditional white collar
(04:28):
crimes. They're into prostitution, they'reinto frauds and other schemes, not just
selling drugs anymore. Right, andso when they get into these other crimes,
sometimes it's a lot harder to identifythem. They're not necessarily out on
every corner posted up selling crack cocaine. They're they're out there doing other crimes.
But then the violence is still withthem, right, they still have
the ribles, and that's that's thebig problem. Right. They they go
(04:50):
out there, they shoot other gangmembers shoot at other folks, and that's
when innocent people get hurt and causethe problems. Honestly said, if gangsters
hung out and didn't do any youknow, shooting, most people probably wouldn't
pay a whole lot of attention tothem, right, But that's not what
they're doing. They're out there,they're on the streets every day, and
the crimes that they're committing or impactingthe lives of the people at Jefferson County
(05:11):
and the state of contentment. Ioften wonder if the interstate, the crossing
of multiple interstates is a factor aswell, because I sixty five, sixty
four to seventy one sort of allrun through here, which become conduits to
other places. It is, itis definitely that's where you see it.
I mean in the larger cities.When you have that transient ability to quickly
move from one area to another,people see those as opportunities. Gang members
(05:34):
of other organized crime groups will travelup to the cities to I have an
opportunity here. An example would be, well, I'm just going to take
human trafficking, child prostitution, otherthings. Anytime you have major events,
I know how we just had,you know, the Kentucky Derby, here
you get an influx of other criminalscoming here to take advantage of the people
(05:55):
that are here. Whether it's bringingin girls to try and run prostitution angles,
or whether it's bringing drugs in becausethey think there's going to be a
bigger higher deli of the clientele,or simply people plotting and scheming to rob
those that won. You know,I was with one of those people that
whole lot of money. I'm gladno one knew. Yes, yes,
whether it goes. We're speaking withMichael Stansbury's special Agent in charge here of
(06:16):
Louisville's FBI office. So you know, we go over the crime numbers over
and over again, and I seethe mayor and the governor and everybody said
crime is down. And so Ithink there's a some people question those numbers
down again because if there were let'ssay, eighty eight murders up until this
time last year, and this yearthere's only eighty one, crime is done.
(06:38):
Well, hell, it's still aproblem, you know. You see
that. It's about perception. Howare we going to improve the perception that
our society, Louisville, Kentucky,the whole United States is safe? I
think the best way to do thator we truly won't be there. You're
a hundred percent right, it's not. It is the perception of the people
(06:58):
around them, their reality. Anduntil we get those numbers right and one,
you just can't think of them asnumbers. But until you get those
down where it's not every day you'rehearing about a shooting, it's not every
day you're hearing about a carjacking,or every week you're hearing about a murder.
When it comes and it's maybe oncea month, once every other month,
you hear about something when it's justan infrequent when people are shocked to
(07:20):
hear about a violent crime that occurred, I can't believe that happened, right,
Right, that's when you know you'remaking a real difference. And that's
obviously what we want and our goaland our investigations at the FBI, especially
when it comes to gangs and violentcrimes, is to work the organizations,
target the worst of the worst andget those people you know, locked up
(07:40):
off the street, to get themin federal prison before they commit the murder,
before they commit the next shooting.Right, That's that is what we
want to do. I mean,ultimately end goal. We want them to
be a rehability to get back andbe a productive members of society. But
we can't have them just running themup on the streets where you can't feel
safe. No one should. Noone should not feel safe going anywhere in
little and the people that live inthe worst of the worst neighborhoods, they
(08:03):
should be able to go. Theirkids should be able to play outside with
a fear of somebody doing a driveby shooting and their kid accidentally. Can
I thought of having him put yourkids in a bathtub or whatever it's like
because idiots are on your street orcreating mayhem? Astounding. There's some kind
of a memo talk of several yearsago about a gun trains or something.
Is that all fantasy? Is thatall nonsense? Have you crossed? Does
(08:24):
that cross your path? I havenot seen the memo about gun trains.
Maybe if you explain it some difference. Well, I heard it from several
years ago. There's some memo thatwent through some law enforcement office and made
some news quickly and then went away. So it might have been nonsense from
online. Nonetheless, there are alot of guns among these gang bangers.
(08:45):
And then so that's the other issue, is that what how do we pull
these people out of society? Theyare a cancer that's killing the rest of
us, right, I mean itis were it's two factors. Right.
We we at the FBI, thatyou know, the police department, the
state. Right, our job isto catch and prosecute the criminals, but
we also need those partnerships with communitygroups to give these these youth. Another
(09:07):
option you have to have. Theyhave to have that choice. Often tell
the story, you know, it'sthe it's the uh, you know,
the stick or the carrot. Youit's your choice. But we have to
have a carrot for them to take. We can't just have a stick,
right, And I think that's thebest way. When it comes to guns,
we really I mean, most ofthese guns that the people coming in
(09:28):
crimes have or they're stolen, theyobtained me legally. You know, they're
not going to the local gun storeand filling out the forty four to seventy
three form and giving their ID andrunning a check. They're not doing it
the way if you or I wentand bought a gun. Right. But
what we have to do is reallyget that message out there that it's okay
for people to tell people it's youknow that hey, this person's got a
gun and they shouldn't have it.Right. That's the best way you prevent
(09:50):
school shootings is kids telling teachers what'sgoing on. You know, if you
see somebody in the neighborhood that's gota gun, it's okay to tell We
have to get this mentality of oh, that's snitche or we can't do that.
We have to dismiss that because toprotect yourself, I mean that gun
you saw that guy with today,good taking out your family? Yes,
exactly, that's the thing. AndI mentioned Tim Beams here also. So
(10:11):
there is a team academy, andso this is obviously an opportunity to get
in the minds and hearts and soulsof youth. Right. What we try
to do is give kids a chanceto come in and look behind the curtain
on what the FBI is. Givethem a chance to kind of learn,
like what programs we work, thingsthat we investigate. We give them some
(10:31):
hands on experience with our Evidence ResponseTeam. They get to do a demonstration
with our SWAT team, they getto do their own interviewing and interrogation,
and we run that one week thissummer July ninth through the twelfth. We're
taking applications right now. The deadlineends May twenty fifth, So we want
people to kind of go on familiesto take a look at our social media
(10:54):
account at FBI Louisville on Twitter tosee what the application looks like. They
have to submit some information about themselvesabout what activities are involved in school,
their GPA, and then write alittle essay about why they want to kind
of come out and visit with usfor the teen Academy, and then we'll
bring them over the summer and givethem what we think is a pretty incredible
(11:16):
experience. One of my friends,Steve Bass went to your Citizens Academy.
Is that what it's called? Yes, you thought it was fantastic, he
said. Every one of the He'stelling a bunch of us at lunch,
every one of you needs to godo this what a grown ups learn it.
So it's a similar program, butwe run that in the fall.
And so it'll run starting September fifth, for seven straight weeks every Thursday evening
(11:37):
between the hours of six and nine. They'll come in and they will get
basically programmatic briefings about every single investigationprogram that we have, and then they'll
get to ask all the hard questionsthat they want to know about the FBI.
So when we bring them in,we want folks that have some level
of skepticism about what we is thatwe do, and we want to have
(12:01):
robust conversations about tough issues because inour mind, our outreach program needs to
like demystify what the FBI is.But then also learn what the public wants
from the FBI and what it expectsfrom the FBI, and so it's good
for all of our team to kindof hear that and go through it.
I think it's a great thing forcivic business, religious leaders to kind of
(12:22):
come together and network and then alsohave a chance to meet our folks too.
That makes sense. And Michael aboutcollegiality, the one issue that all
this seems to pop up is,well, this agency was not talking with
this agency secret service or the sheriff'sdepartment of the police for whatever. How
is that even possible? We allhave computers. Why is law enforcement not
(12:43):
all interconnected? Well, there,you know, there's sometimes it can just
be competitiveness. Different people want tobe the ones to make the case.
I would say it's it's changing alot in law enforcement, and it's changed
for the better. There is alot more cooperation. That's one of our
big things to do. I willsay from coming here to Louisville, Kentucky,
(13:03):
I was very pleasantly surprised as howwell the partnerships were. I spent
time before in Columbia, South Carolinaand Charlotte, North Carolina. Great places,
great people, but the partnerships withlaw enforcement here are second to none
and just an example and sharing information. Since we've been talking about LMPD,
one of the things that I foundout here that we have is they actually
(13:24):
have detectives assigned to our Public Corruptionand Civil Rights Task Force, essentially helping
us to police them and police andmake sure they're doing the right thing.
And that's pretty much unheard of acrossthe FBI. Usually those task force we're
just working with state partners. Mostcities aren't going to give us someone that's
going to turn around and be doinginvestigations that could impact their own agencies.
So that just goes to show youthe commitment that they have to really make
(13:48):
sure they're giving a top notch agencyfor the citizens of this area. And
that helps us a lot. Imean, it really does. It allows
us to share this information back andforth, not just on those type of
investigations, all of them. SoI'm very pleased we have a great relationship
with the Kentucky State Police and thepartnership that they have with us and on
all our task forces, because obviouslywe don't deserve Louisville World or I'm responsible
(14:09):
for the entire state of Kentucky andit really is. It's outstanding in the
state, and it's really great herefor being such a large metropolitan area.
I mean, we're not having toany internal battles that I've seen at all.
And you're not involved at all inthe attorney gym will Garlands oversight.
You know obviously that they pressed onl MPD. No, that doesn't go
(14:30):
through the FBI that we have nothingat all too, it's different division departments.
Well, welcome, it's good tohave you here. Glad you're enjoying
life. I guess your family islike, where are we going? Are
they happy with it? They werehappy with the Kentech Trust mean, when
you're living in DC for a coupleof years after living in Charlotte. When
I came and told came home andtold the wife I got the Kentucky the
Louisville job, she was ecstatic andjump for joy. And to be honest,
(14:52):
she never wants to move. She'salready told me if if they call
me back, she's staying. Sofantastic. Good to see both of you,
guys. I appreciate you. MichaelStansbury from the Federal Bureau of Investigation
here in Louisville back in a fewon news radio eight forty whas
All right, I want to welcomein some guests this hour from the I
(00:04):
haven't checked the roster to Oh,the FBI's here. I always like when
the FBI drops by. I lovetelling the story of when I had to
I had to meet with an agentbecause someone had stolen a bunch of money
and I had given money to hisfake charity. I wrote a check,
and just like in the movies,the FBI contacted me and they said,
(00:25):
hey, can we verify some ofyou? You bet see at nine o'clock
Monday, nine o'clock that Monday morning, ding dong, And I answered the
door and a guy shows me asbad. It's like just liking the movies.
I got to say, this isso cool. And then all he
says said is did you write thischeck to this chair? I sure did,
sir. He goes, okay,we just needed a verification of that.
Well, joining us this hour isa certain Michael Stands, very special
(00:50):
agent in charge for the Louisville Areas. Good have you here? Well,
thanks for having me, Terry,I'm glad to be here. Well.
Absolutely. And also he brought alonghis attorney, guy I've known a few
years, Chief Division Council Timothy Beam, Hello, Tim, Good to see
you, brother as always, absolutelygood to have you guys. Are we
neighbors? Are you like right overthere? It's six No, oh,
(01:11):
that's right you guys were you havemoved out to another location. Well,
it's good to have you here.I was like talking to various law enforcement
officials on the show just to sortof get updates on how we're doing in
this community, because obviously you guyshave a lot of work to do on
many levels. Is the overall climateimproving in our city, mister Stansbury,
(01:34):
I would say yes. I've beenhere about seven months, and you know,
Louisville's been through a lot, probablymore than most cities in the United
States. The whole country's really struggled. You know, you go for what's
happened the past few years, butI've really seen I believe Louisville has taken
the turn for the better and they'reon the right trajectory to getting crime down,
(01:55):
getting everything under control, and doinga really good job of policing the
the citizens of this community. Whatwe hear over and over again too,
is that we're like three hundred policeofficers short. Well, that can't be
good. For us overall. Soare we as safe? Is the cradle
of security still as sound as itwas, say, five years ago.
(02:16):
I don't know that I can reallyanswer that question. I do know yes,
when the number of officers are down, it's challenges to patrol the streets
to answer the calls. You know, LMPD has to make some tough decisions
on extra programs that they do,what they're gonna cut, what they're gonna
be able to support. But Iknow they put all their efforts out into
policing the community and doing the bestjob they can. And that's one of
(02:38):
the things where it becomes our jobin the FBI to step in and help
right Louisville the country. You don't. Local law enforcement is what drives the
policing in America. You don't haveto have an FBI. But what the
FBI does is it makes things betterin my view, when it comes to
our criminal enforcement activities. Locally,we come in and we help on cases.
(03:00):
We are able to take cases.Federally, we're able to spend the
time and the resources to go afterthe worst of the worst offenders, and
that really frees up the detectives theother officers on the department to then focus
on the day to day activities.I mean some people you will often say
the federal government has the option tocherry pick what they're going to do the
cases they do, and we do. We do, but our cherry picking
(03:21):
needs to be the right case.It needs to be the ones that these
are the bad guys that we needto get off the street, so it's
a safer place for everybody. Doyou have enough agents or is there a
shortage in your No, we're doingWe're doing pretty well right now. For
the state. We're just down avery small number of agents right now.
Our recruiting in the FBI has reallybeen top notched these past few years.
(03:42):
We've really diversified our agency. We'vegotten a lot of great agents and we're
almost at one hundred percent here.Amy has has been in here before multiple
times, obviously a predecessor, andshe talked about gang issues. So where
are we on the gang spectrum?We know there's a problem. It is
the is the problem easing, isit get worsening? Is it plateaued?
(04:08):
I would say it's in my opinion, plateau is probably a fair statement.
I think you've seen spikes, gangmembers and that's my background in the FBIS
and investigators working gang crimes. Uh. They they're criminals of crimes of opportunity,
whatever, the latest and greatest thingis that that's what they're going to
do. We've seen a spiking gangmembers getting more involved in traditional white collar
(04:28):
crimes. They're into prostitution, they'reinto frauds and other schemes, not just
selling drugs anymore. Right, andso when they get into these other crimes,
sometimes it's a lot harder to identifythem. They're not necessarily out on
every corner posted up selling crack cocaine. They're they're out there doing other crimes.
But then the violence is still withthem, right, they still have
the ribles, and that's that's thebig problem. Right. They they go
(04:50):
out there, they shoot other gangmembers shoot at other folks, and that's
when innocent people get hurt and causethe problems. Honestly said, if gangsters
hung out and didn't do any youknow, shooting, most people probably wouldn't
pay a whole lot of attention tothem, right, But that's not what
they're doing. They're out there,they're on the streets every day, and
the crimes that they're committing or impactingthe lives of the people at Jefferson County
(05:11):
and the state of contentment. Ioften wonder if the interstate, the crossing
of multiple interstates is a factor aswell, because I sixty five, sixty
four to seventy one sort of allrun through here, which become conduits to
other places. It is, itis definitely that's where you see it.
I mean in the larger cities.When you have that transient ability to quickly
move from one area to another,people see those as opportunities. Gang members
(05:34):
of other organized crime groups will travelup to the cities to I have an
opportunity here. An example would be, well, I'm just going to take
human trafficking, child prostitution, otherthings. Anytime you have major events,
I know how we just had,you know, the Kentucky Derby, here
you get an influx of other criminalscoming here to take advantage of the people
(05:55):
that are here. Whether it's bringingin girls to try and run prostitution angles,
or whether it's bringing drugs in becausethey think there's going to be a
bigger higher deli of the clientele,or simply people plotting and scheming to rob
those that won. You know,I was with one of those people that
whole lot of money. I'm gladno one knew. Yes, yes,
whether it goes. We're speaking withMichael Stansbury's special Agent in charge here of
(06:16):
Louisville's FBI office. So you know, we go over the crime numbers over
and over again, and I seethe mayor and the governor and everybody said
crime is down. And so Ithink there's a some people question those numbers
down again because if there were let'ssay, eighty eight murders up until this
time last year, and this yearthere's only eighty one, crime is done.
(06:38):
Well, hell, it's still aproblem, you know. You see
that. It's about perception. Howare we going to improve the perception that
our society, Louisville, Kentucky,the whole United States is safe? I
think the best way to do thator we truly won't be there. You're
a hundred percent right, it's not. It is the perception of the people
(06:58):
around them, their reality. Anduntil we get those numbers right and one,
you just can't think of them asnumbers. But until you get those
down where it's not every day you'rehearing about a shooting, it's not every
day you're hearing about a carjacking,or every week you're hearing about a murder.
When it comes and it's maybe oncea month, once every other month,
you hear about something when it's justan infrequent when people are shocked to
(07:20):
hear about a violent crime that occurred, I can't believe that happened, right,
Right, that's when you know you'remaking a real difference. And that's
obviously what we want and our goaland our investigations at the FBI, especially
when it comes to gangs and violentcrimes, is to work the organizations,
target the worst of the worst andget those people you know, locked up
(07:40):
off the street, to get themin federal prison before they commit the murder,
before they commit the next shooting.Right, That's that is what we
want to do. I mean,ultimately end goal. We want them to
be a rehability to get back andbe a productive members of society. But
we can't have them just running themup on the streets where you can't feel
safe. No one should. Noone should not feel safe going anywhere in
little and the people that live inthe worst of the worst neighborhoods, they
(08:03):
should be able to go. Theirkids should be able to play outside with
a fear of somebody doing a driveby shooting and their kid accidentally. Can
I thought of having him put yourkids in a bathtub or whatever it's like
because idiots are on your street orcreating mayhem? Astounding. There's some kind
of a memo talk of several yearsago about a gun trains or something.
Is that all fantasy? Is thatall nonsense? Have you crossed? Does
(08:24):
that cross your path? I havenot seen the memo about gun trains.
Maybe if you explain it some difference. Well, I heard it from several
years ago. There's some memo thatwent through some law enforcement office and made
some news quickly and then went away. So it might have been nonsense from
online. Nonetheless, there are alot of guns among these gang bangers.
(08:45):
And then so that's the other issue, is that what how do we pull
these people out of society? Theyare a cancer that's killing the rest of
us, right, I mean itis were it's two factors. Right.
We we at the FBI, thatyou know, the police department, the
state. Right, our job isto catch and prosecute the criminals, but
we also need those partnerships with communitygroups to give these these youth. Another
(09:07):
option you have to have. Theyhave to have that choice. Often tell
the story, you know, it'sthe it's the uh, you know,
the stick or the carrot. Youit's your choice. But we have to
have a carrot for them to take. We can't just have a stick,
right, And I think that's thebest way. When it comes to guns,
we really I mean, most ofthese guns that the people coming in
(09:28):
crimes have or they're stolen, theyobtained me legally. You know, they're
not going to the local gun storeand filling out the forty four to seventy
three form and giving their ID andrunning a check. They're not doing it
the way if you or I wentand bought a gun. Right. But
what we have to do is reallyget that message out there that it's okay
for people to tell people it's youknow that hey, this person's got a
gun and they shouldn't have it.Right. That's the best way you prevent
(09:50):
school shootings is kids telling teachers what'sgoing on. You know, if you
see somebody in the neighborhood that's gota gun, it's okay to tell We
have to get this mentality of oh, that's snitche or we can't do that.
We have to dismiss that because toprotect yourself, I mean that gun
you saw that guy with today,good taking out your family? Yes,
exactly, that's the thing. AndI mentioned Tim Beams here also. So
(10:11):
there is a team academy, andso this is obviously an opportunity to get
in the minds and hearts and soulsof youth. Right. What we try
to do is give kids a chanceto come in and look behind the curtain
on what the FBI is. Givethem a chance to kind of learn,
like what programs we work, thingsthat we investigate. We give them some
(10:31):
hands on experience with our Evidence ResponseTeam. They get to do a demonstration
with our SWAT team, they getto do their own interviewing and interrogation,
and we run that one week thissummer July ninth through the twelfth. We're
taking applications right now. The deadlineends May twenty fifth, So we want
people to kind of go on familiesto take a look at our social media
(10:54):
account at FBI Louisville on Twitter tosee what the application looks like. They
have to submit some information about themselvesabout what activities are involved in school,
their GPA, and then write alittle essay about why they want to kind
of come out and visit with usfor the teen Academy, and then we'll
bring them over the summer and givethem what we think is a pretty incredible
(11:16):
experience. One of my friends,Steve Bass went to your Citizens Academy.
Is that what it's called? Yes, you thought it was fantastic, he
said. Every one of the He'stelling a bunch of us at lunch,
every one of you needs to godo this what a grown ups learn it.
So it's a similar program, butwe run that in the fall.
And so it'll run starting September fifth, for seven straight weeks every Thursday evening
(11:37):
between the hours of six and nine. They'll come in and they will get
basically programmatic briefings about every single investigationprogram that we have, and then they'll
get to ask all the hard questionsthat they want to know about the FBI.
So when we bring them in,we want folks that have some level
of skepticism about what we is thatwe do, and we want to have
(12:01):
robust conversations about tough issues because inour mind, our outreach program needs to
like demystify what the FBI is.But then also learn what the public wants
from the FBI and what it expectsfrom the FBI, and so it's good
for all of our team to kindof hear that and go through it.
I think it's a great thing forcivic business, religious leaders to kind of
(12:22):
come together and network and then alsohave a chance to meet our folks too.
That makes sense. And Michael aboutcollegiality, the one issue that all
this seems to pop up is,well, this agency was not talking with
this agency secret service or the sheriff'sdepartment of the police for whatever. How
is that even possible? We allhave computers. Why is law enforcement not
(12:43):
all interconnected? Well, there,you know, there's sometimes it can just
be competitiveness. Different people want tobe the ones to make the case.
I would say it's it's changing alot in law enforcement, and it's changed
for the better. There is alot more cooperation. That's one of our
big things to do. I willsay from coming here to Louisville, Kentucky,
(13:03):
I was very pleasantly surprised as howwell the partnerships were. I spent
time before in Columbia, South Carolinaand Charlotte, North Carolina. Great places,
great people, but the partnerships withlaw enforcement here are second to none
and just an example and sharing information. Since we've been talking about LMPD,
one of the things that I foundout here that we have is they actually
(13:24):
have detectives assigned to our Public Corruptionand Civil Rights Task Force, essentially helping
us to police them and police andmake sure they're doing the right thing.
And that's pretty much unheard of acrossthe FBI. Usually those task force we're
just working with state partners. Mostcities aren't going to give us someone that's
going to turn around and be doinginvestigations that could impact their own agencies.
So that just goes to show youthe commitment that they have to really make
(13:48):
sure they're giving a top notch agencyfor the citizens of this area. And
that helps us a lot. Imean, it really does. It allows
us to share this information back andforth, not just on those type of
investigations, all of them. SoI'm very pleased we have a great relationship
with the Kentucky State Police and thepartnership that they have with us and on
all our task forces, because obviouslywe don't deserve Louisville World or I'm responsible
(14:09):
for the entire state of Kentucky andit really is. It's outstanding in the
state, and it's really great herefor being such a large metropolitan area.
I mean, we're not having toany internal battles that I've seen at all.
And you're not involved at all inthe attorney gym will Garlands oversight.
You know obviously that they pressed onl MPD. No, that doesn't go
(14:30):
through the FBI that we have nothingat all too, it's different division departments.
Well, welcome, it's good tohave you here. Glad you're enjoying
life. I guess your family islike, where are we going? Are
they happy with it? They werehappy with the Kentech Trust mean, when
you're living in DC for a coupleof years after living in Charlotte. When
I came and told came home andtold the wife I got the Kentucky the
Louisville job, she was ecstatic andjump for joy. And to be honest,
(14:52):
she never wants to move. She'salready told me if if they call
me back, she's staying. Sofantastic. Good to see both of you,
guys. I appreciate you. MichaelStansbury from the Federal Bureau of Investigation
here in Louisville back in a fewon news radio eight forty whas
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