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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're a news radio eight forty wh as doctor Deborah
Clary returns to the program. It's nice to see you again.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, Terry. It's great to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Another brand new book. This is so exciting. Isn't this
great when you are ready to launch these babies?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It is?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It is. It's called The Curiosity Curve, a leader's guide
to growth and transformation through bold questions. What led you
to decide this was the time for this book?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So two things happened to me.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
One is I was sitting in a meeting at Humana
and I was sitting next to our CEO, Bruce Brossard,
and he turned to me and he said, do you
think curiosity can be learned or is it innate?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, And of course I said, I don't know, But
CEO asked you a question, you try to find out.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And the next week.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Does happened to be the fourth of July holiday. I
was going away and I just that whole holiday, I
just dug into literature and research on that question. And
I came back that following Monday and I said, guess
what it can be learned.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's good to hear because some people might find themselves
on a path where they're a little uninspired. We'll just
say and then something triggers something and they think, no,
I want this, I want this, and curiosity is the
gateway to get them there.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know what I say to leaders that I work
with now is don't get discouraged. You're incurious because you
were taught to be in curious. You think about when
we were children, we asked two hundred and ninety eight
questions a day. If you've ever had a toddler, you've
ever been around a toddler, you know what.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean by two hundred and eighty eight of course
questions a day.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
By the time we're adults here, we ask five questions
and that's usually did you make dinner reservations?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Or where do you want to go to dinner?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Really yes, So we lose our curiosity when in our
not teen years.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It's way before that we learned that when we're in
elementary school and we are taught to be in curious
by the stories that we are told. I mean, first off,
we're told, you know, children are to be seen and
not right, and you know, children need to stay in
their seats and raise their hand now my daughter is
a teacher. I had great respect for, you know, not
(02:19):
having mayhem in the classroom. But I think we've indexed
too far on that. For those that were raised in
the Christian religion like I was, we learned about Adam
and Eve and Eve allegedly ate of the Tree of knowledge,
and what happened, you know, may happen over the world.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Right, so many questions.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So curiosity, you know, created the situation where so and
in Greek mythology it Chris wanted to fly close to
the sun.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
He got up there and has wings melted.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So this whole sense of you know, we're beginning to
talk as taught that curiosity is not good for us.
And you've all heard the saying curiosity killed the cat.
But you know what, that's not the whole sentence. Did
you know this.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Curiosity killed the cat and everybody else?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So when I was writing the book, my editor pushed me, guy,
had I wrote that in there curiosity killed the cat.
She goes, I need you to cite that. And I go,
my mother, She goes, no, I need you to cite that.
I go, Well, missus Ericson, Like everybody told me that
she goes, I can't put it in the book unless
you cite it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's part of a longer quote.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yes, so in fifteen eighty nine Shakespeare wrote curiosity killed
the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Ah, nobody can always say on Jeopardy when the Shakespeare
category comes up, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
With this sense of you know, we learned to being curious,
and then we go to high school, we go on
to college, we might go to law school and medical school.
We become experts, and then we get into the workplace
and we're rewarded for that expertise. Right, so you're rewarded
for or what you just had that degree in. And oh,
by the way, you don't have a whole lot of time.
You're preshed for time and people are coming into you're
(04:07):
just giving out answers. So we're taught to be in curious,
and we stay in curious unless we can begin to
change that frame.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I love my doctor who's terrific, and she's at an
age where she's learned a lot but never stops learning
the new stuff. And you know, sometimes doctors can say, well,
I got this advanced degree in this one and that one,
and I know they go back for certain upgrades and training.
(04:35):
But I like people that are intensely curious about their
field every day because you're getting their best. Doesn't that
spill into every career?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And this is the power of asking others questions. Right,
So you know, a doctor can't diagnose until they ask
you questions. And it's when they're listening and then expanding
like all right, wait, what could this be connected too?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is when we can actually solve a problem.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Makes sense? Inside your book, by the way, we're speaking
with doctor Deborah Clary clar Y. The book is called
The Curiosity Curve and a debut's when tomorrow tomorrow, Oh baby,
we can get on Amazon everywhere.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's right, and it's released by Fast Company Press.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, cool. Inside is a chart that folds out. Now
that's very old school. I like that, Thank you. The
Curiosity Curve essential practices for growth. Everyone should have that
near them every day to just sort of restir the
embers of curiosity. That's what happens. Like a campfire settles
(05:44):
in your reserve. The flames are back.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, and you think about all great ideas start with
a spark. You think about that, so using your analogy
of a fire, something sparks and then you make a
connection to it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Absolutely. So on Thursday this week, I understand people are
going to meet with you at Actors Theater. You've got
a big crowd coming Actors Theater, Louisville Presents and Evening
with Doctor Deborah Clary. Tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, So, Actress Theater is graciously hosting this book release party.
We have over one hundred people coming, and it's the
opportunity for the new director and assistant director to have
a conversation with me about curiosity, why I wrote the book,
and why am I so passionate about curiosity.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, one of the things in your book is about
embracing feedback. Some people don't want feedback. They feel like
they're mavericks. They are They're the ice busting ship, you know,
and they're just they're forging ahead, they're the point of
the spear, whatever you want to call it. But they
don't like feedback. They just think, I'm just we're gonna
(06:50):
just keep blazing a trail. But that doesn't work. Ultimately,
you got to stop and reset, don't you.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think so. I mean, I think that works in
the show.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But as leaders were playing the long game, and it's
about getting others thoughts on how we can do things differently.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Is how we can really make change.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, there's a lot to dive into in here, but
basically the note of curiosity and having it swirl around
you all the time, there's nothing more important than that,
Otherwise you're giving up. I mean it feels that way
to me. I love my job. Every day I read
for it, but I read for life too, just to
(07:34):
just because I'm curious about so many things. So what
happens now with AI spoiling people even further in terms
of just if you ask GROCA question or chat GPT
or whatever it is. I mean a lot of people
are thinking, well, I just don't have to do anything
anymore because that little app is going to solve all
my problems.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, it's just not true.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I mean, at the root of AI is curiosity, and
at the root of curiosity city is a question. You
have to ask a question to GROCK or chat in
order to get a response.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Makes sense. I'm just curious to see where all this
goes in the coming years, because they keep talking about
how AI is going to do everything for us, but
the human beast has to think and yearn and wonder,
because that's what makes that's the core of who we are.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
That's what makes us different from any other species on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, when I walk in and my dog looks at me,
he's wondering when I'm going to put some more water
in that bowl. Other than that, Well, Deborah, it's great
to see you again. I know you're going to have
a great time on Thursday night at Actors Theater. How
do people can they? Can they still get in there?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I regret it is sold out.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh, I regret that too, well, but I know this
is going to be a great evening for you. Actors
Theater of Louisville presenting an evening with doctor Deborah Clary.
The book is called The Curiosity Curve, highly recommended and
Terry his book Club, and it's available when starting midnight. Yes,
let's order one at midnight tonight. I'll text you then
(09:07):
and have a great time with all the folks will
be joining you at Actress Theater on Thursday. We'll talk
again soon down the road.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Thank you for having me, Terry.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Author, doctor Deborah Clary. The book is The Curiosity Curve,
available everywhere starting at midnight
You're a news radio eight forty wh as doctor Deborah
Clary returns to the program. It's nice to see you again.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, Terry. It's great to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Another brand new book. This is so exciting. Isn't this
great when you are ready to launch these babies?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It is?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It is. It's called The Curiosity Curve, a leader's guide
to growth and transformation through bold questions. What led you
to decide this was the time for this book?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So two things happened to me.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
One is I was sitting in a meeting at Humana
and I was sitting next to our CEO, Bruce Brossard,
and he turned to me and he said, do you
think curiosity can be learned or is it innate?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, And of course I said, I don't know, But
CEO asked you a question, you try to find out.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And the next week.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Does happened to be the fourth of July holiday. I
was going away and I just that whole holiday, I
just dug into literature and research on that question. And
I came back that following Monday and I said, guess
what it can be learned.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's good to hear because some people might find themselves
on a path where they're a little uninspired. We'll just
say and then something triggers something and they think, no,
I want this, I want this, and curiosity is the
gateway to get them there.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know what I say to leaders that I work
with now is don't get discouraged. You're incurious because you
were taught to be in curious. You think about when
we were children, we asked two hundred and ninety eight
questions a day. If you've ever had a toddler, you've
ever been around a toddler, you know what.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean by two hundred and eighty eight of course
questions a day.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
By the time we're adults here, we ask five questions
and that's usually did you make dinner reservations?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Or where do you want to go to dinner?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Really yes, So we lose our curiosity when in our
not teen years.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It's way before that we learned that when we're in
elementary school and we are taught to be in curious
by the stories that we are told. I mean, first off,
we're told, you know, children are to be seen and
not right, and you know, children need to stay in
their seats and raise their hand now my daughter is
a teacher. I had great respect for, you know, not
(02:19):
having mayhem in the classroom. But I think we've indexed
too far on that. For those that were raised in
the Christian religion like I was, we learned about Adam
and Eve and Eve allegedly ate of the Tree of knowledge,
and what happened, you know, may happen over the world.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Right, so many questions.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So curiosity, you know, created the situation where so and
in Greek mythology it Chris wanted to fly close to
the sun.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
He got up there and has wings melted.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So this whole sense of you know, we're beginning to
talk as taught that curiosity is not good for us.
And you've all heard the saying curiosity killed the cat.
But you know what, that's not the whole sentence. Did
you know this.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Curiosity killed the cat and everybody else?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So when I was writing the book, my editor pushed me, guy,
had I wrote that in there curiosity killed the cat.
She goes, I need you to cite that. And I go,
my mother, She goes, no, I need you to cite that.
I go, Well, missus Ericson, Like everybody told me that
she goes, I can't put it in the book unless
you cite it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's part of a longer quote.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yes, so in fifteen eighty nine Shakespeare wrote curiosity killed
the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Ah, nobody can always say on Jeopardy when the Shakespeare
category comes up, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
With this sense of you know, we learned to being curious,
and then we go to high school, we go on
to college, we might go to law school and medical school.
We become experts, and then we get into the workplace
and we're rewarded for that expertise. Right, so you're rewarded
for or what you just had that degree in. And oh,
by the way, you don't have a whole lot of time.
You're preshed for time and people are coming into you're
(04:07):
just giving out answers. So we're taught to be in curious,
and we stay in curious unless we can begin to
change that frame.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I love my doctor who's terrific, and she's at an
age where she's learned a lot but never stops learning
the new stuff. And you know, sometimes doctors can say, well,
I got this advanced degree in this one and that one,
and I know they go back for certain upgrades and training.
(04:35):
But I like people that are intensely curious about their
field every day because you're getting their best. Doesn't that
spill into every career?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And this is the power of asking others questions. Right,
So you know, a doctor can't diagnose until they ask
you questions. And it's when they're listening and then expanding
like all right, wait, what could this be connected too?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is when we can actually solve a problem.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Makes sense? Inside your book, by the way, we're speaking
with doctor Deborah Clary clar Y. The book is called
The Curiosity Curve and a debut's when tomorrow tomorrow, Oh baby,
we can get on Amazon everywhere.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's right, and it's released by Fast Company Press.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, cool. Inside is a chart that folds out. Now
that's very old school. I like that, Thank you. The
Curiosity Curve essential practices for growth. Everyone should have that
near them every day to just sort of restir the
embers of curiosity. That's what happens. Like a campfire settles
(05:44):
in your reserve. The flames are back.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, and you think about all great ideas start with
a spark. You think about that, so using your analogy
of a fire, something sparks and then you make a
connection to it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Absolutely. So on Thursday this week, I understand people are
going to meet with you at Actors Theater. You've got
a big crowd coming Actors Theater, Louisville Presents and Evening
with Doctor Deborah Clary. Tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, So, Actress Theater is graciously hosting this book release party.
We have over one hundred people coming, and it's the
opportunity for the new director and assistant director to have
a conversation with me about curiosity, why I wrote the book,
and why am I so passionate about curiosity.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, one of the things in your book is about
embracing feedback. Some people don't want feedback. They feel like
they're mavericks. They are They're the ice busting ship, you know,
and they're just they're forging ahead, they're the point of
the spear, whatever you want to call it. But they
don't like feedback. They just think, I'm just we're gonna
(06:50):
just keep blazing a trail. But that doesn't work. Ultimately,
you got to stop and reset, don't you.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think so. I mean, I think that works in
the show.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But as leaders were playing the long game, and it's
about getting others thoughts on how we can do things differently.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Is how we can really make change.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, there's a lot to dive into in here, but
basically the note of curiosity and having it swirl around
you all the time, there's nothing more important than that,
Otherwise you're giving up. I mean it feels that way
to me. I love my job. Every day I read
for it, but I read for life too, just to
(07:34):
just because I'm curious about so many things. So what
happens now with AI spoiling people even further in terms
of just if you ask GROCA question or chat GPT
or whatever it is. I mean a lot of people
are thinking, well, I just don't have to do anything
anymore because that little app is going to solve all
my problems.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, it's just not true.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I mean, at the root of AI is curiosity, and
at the root of curiosity city is a question. You
have to ask a question to GROCK or chat in
order to get a response.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Makes sense. I'm just curious to see where all this
goes in the coming years, because they keep talking about
how AI is going to do everything for us, but
the human beast has to think and yearn and wonder,
because that's what makes that's the core of who we are.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
That's what makes us different from any other species on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, when I walk in and my dog looks at me,
he's wondering when I'm going to put some more water
in that bowl. Other than that, Well, Deborah, it's great
to see you again. I know you're going to have
a great time on Thursday night at Actors Theater. How
do people can they? Can they still get in there?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I regret it is sold out.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh, I regret that too, well, but I know this
is going to be a great evening for you. Actors
Theater of Louisville presenting an evening with doctor Deborah Clary.
The book is called The Curiosity Curve, highly recommended and
Terry his book Club, and it's available when starting midnight. Yes,
let's order one at midnight tonight. I'll text you then
(09:07):
and have a great time with all the folks will
be joining you at Actress Theater on Thursday. We'll talk
again soon down the road.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Thank you for having me, Terry.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Author, doctor Deborah Clary. The book is The Curiosity Curve,
available everywhere starting at midnight
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