July 22, 2024 • 17 mins
Congressman Morgan McGarvey discusses President Biden pulling out of the race for re-election, Kamala Harris' future and whether or not the delgates will vote for her, when he knew it was time for Biden to step down, where Andy Beshear stands in the derby for Vice President, and what will happen with Secret Service leadership...
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Bring in Congressman Morgan McGarvey joining usfrom Washington. Morgan, Hey, Kerry,
how are you all right? Youare working in Washington, are you?
I'm in Washington. Yeah. Idon't know if you've seen Cary.
There's a few things going on inthere right right now. I wanted to
make sure before I said that onthe area. I don't want to be
incorrect. I don't know if youhad something else that was popping and you
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were visiting. So yes, severalthings to talk about, for sure.
Okay, Obviously Kamala Harris moves tothe head of the ticket. How long
do you think it'll take for variousstates to chime in and say, you
know what our delegates are going withKamala Harris the vice president, and she'll
have the delegate count long before theconvention. I'm actually I'm both thrilled and
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you know, it's been great towatch because you're seeing that. I think
the party coalesce so quickly around KamalaHarris. The president gets out yesterday,
which even for those of us whothought it might happen or thought it was
the best thing to happen, it'sstill it's still surprising. And he immediately
endorses her, and then by theend of the day, you see she's
raised fifty million dollars, she hashundreds of congressmen and women and governors and
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supporters lined up. You saw theKentucky Democratic Party officially endorse her today.
You're thing that happen around the states. I think that whatever the process is,
the DNC outlines this week, andthis is one of those wheres you
hate to talk about process, butthat the DNC is going to outline the
process. Whatever that process is,I think you're going to see Kamala Harris
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win that process quickly and Democrats continueto build on the momentum that, honestly
I think we have right now andhas been absent from the Democratic campaign for
a little while. What do yousay to people, though, who say
this is a manipulated situation, becausethe delegates were already committed to Joe Biden,
and this looks like somebody that hewas pushed by leadership to get out,
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because he was saying up till likenine days ago, I'm in it
to win it. He's the leaderof the party, he's the president of
the United States, he's the leaderof the free world. He made this
decision, and he is the onlyperson who could have made this decision.
And I think one thing we've seenabout Joe Biden time and time again is
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the humanity he displayed, the humilityhe often displays, and he made this
decision on his own. He madeit, I think for the same reason
he decided to run in twenty twentyto save the soul of America, and
that was his purposes persons getting out. The idea that someone could have forced
him out, I think is probablysomething that people are saying on Twitter but
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doesn't have as much basis in reality. He made the decision to get out,
and that is his decision to make. Therefore, now he has released
his delegates, he is not theno on. I think people get this
mixed up too. He is notthe nominee right now. People called him
the presumptive nominee because even though hehas won primaries in states and those delegates
therefore are chosen to vote. Aswe've seen in conventions before, just because
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delegates are chosen does not mean that'show they vote at the convention. And
so this is one of the thingshe made the decision. There will be
an open, transparent and fair processgoing forward to the DNC has said,
I think Kamala Harris is going towin that as we see people continue to
rally around or build support, andI think you're going to see Democrats has
momentum and energy going into the fall. We're speaking when Morgan McGarvey represents Kentucky's
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third district in the US House ofRepresentatives. It was a drip drip drip
of various elected officials, yourself included, who said I think it's time for
you to step aside. Was therea game clock, like a baseball lineup,
like you're going at five o'clock McGarvey, and and such is going at
six o'clock and like that? Imean, how did you know when you
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were going to What led you tothe moment that you released your message?
Yeah, you know, and look, I wish Democrats were that organized,
but but it really is something.It was. It was both certainly as
a member of Congress, I discussedit with my colleague, I discussed it
with leadership. You know, Itake I take no joy in the idea
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that that Joe Biden stepped aside toclear the path to make sure that Democrats
have a chance to beat Donald Trumpin the fall. But you know,
for me, it's something that Ihad been saying privately for a long time,
and the decision only was whether tosay it publicly. I say privately,
you know, somebody stopped me inthe grocery store and asked for I
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think I'd tell them it wasn't likethis. It wasn't some uh, you
know, back room type thing.Anybody who asked me. I told him
how I felt, and how whatthe numbers were showing and how things were
playing out. And so one ofthe you know, the things that led
me to my decision was We've gota town hall, a telephone town hall
coming up this week where people cancall into I knew this was going to
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come up, and I thought itwas important for me to tell people what
I thought and why I thought it. And Morgan, you yourself have had
an extraordinary amount of face time withthe president, You and your daughter.
I mean, he's got a relationshipwhere she's drawn him cartoons. So what
did you see in terms of adecline in the time that you've known the
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president? Now? The president issuch as you mentioned, he's so great
with people, to watch him withstaff, to watch him with kids,
to watch him with us. Imean, the reality is as a freshman
member of the minority, you know, he takes the time to talk to
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everybody. I actually happened to bewith him about a month and a half
ago. We did something that wasso moving. A group of bipartisan legislators
went over with the President and withHouse and Senate leadership to go to the
eightieth anniversary of D Day at NormandyBeach in France. You know, it's
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what I was talking about when saying, when finally making the very difficult decision
that President Biden did not give usa good enough chance to win an election
where the stakes are so high,it was about it was about making sure
that we again defeat what I seeis the extremism coming from Donald Trump's MAGA
Republican Party. And that's what ithad to do with and really nothing else.
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It wasn't about a mental or physicaldecline that you saw in this time.
It was about I mean, atthe end of the day, I
said, this is the president's decision, and the president is the one to
best know whether he can do thejob and whether he can get the job.
And you know, I did notthink the President and all the pulling
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and a pulling across congressional districts,across other things. I didn't see the
president with I thought, as chancesof winning were solo and the stakes were
so high, that we probably neededto do something different. He use a
sports analogy. It was it wastime to make an adjustment. And that,
to me, is really what it'sabout. And I think now too,
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I think you see passit agreement fromthe White House. You know,
Terry, you've watched this longer thanI have. And it's not often that
politicians that bad off. John Meachumthis morning quoted a politician from Lieu,
Tennessee, where he said, theonly cure for political ambition is embalming fluid.
Wow, and you know that,you know, to step down as
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president of the United States. Ithink they saw something as well that gave
them faster concern. And then JoeBiden did what he has always done.
He put himself, He put hiscountry first. He put his country before
himself, and I think that isa stark contrast to what you see from
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Donald Trump. So clearly you think, though he's competent to hold the office
until January twenty, it's a lotof people saying, if he's not competent
to run for president, why ishe the president today? Yeah, because
he's never said those words. Youknow, that is someone saying because he's
not that is someone saying, becausehe's not running, I think these things
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are happening. He's never said that. No one has ever said he's not
running because of competency. He saidhe I mean, he said in his
statement why he's not running. Isaid in my statement why I didn't think
he was the best person to runfor Democrats. And it was always about
winnability. It was always about makingsure that he continues to protect America from
what I see is a real extremistthreat from the far right and the elements
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that Donald Trump attracts. And sothat's what I think it is about,
more than anything else. And Congressman, is it unfair for people to say,
why can't we see a picture ofJoe Biden today or its video?
This is such an important moment inAmerican history that we just have something to
preserve for the archives, a photoor video or something. I don't think
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it's unfair, you know, Ithink I don't think it's unfair at all
to say, let's let's see thepresident of to see the president, let's
see a photo of the president fromfrom my uh experiences at the White House
since you know, coming to Congress, and I will just say I've never
met a sitting president of the UnitedStates until I got elected to Congress.
But whenever you are at the WhiteHouse, and whenever you are around the
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President, even if it's in somethingthat is quote unquote closed to the press,
they're photographers there. There are peoplewho are taking pictures of him all
the time. I am confident thereare pictures that are being taken of him
today. Uh. And so youknow if they're being released or not.
I don't know the inside out ofthat and and have not been paying attention
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to that today, but those there, I don't think it's unfair at all
to ask for pictures of video.And I think he's also said he's going
to address the country this week onit, which is important to do.
Okay. Our Governor Andy Basheer saidhe was called by Kamala Harris yesterday tell
w h as eleven television's Isaiah KimMartinez as she called, asked for his
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endorsement, and then I and Isaiahsaid, you expecting to get another call
soon, and he said, well, you know that's that's up to the
machine. I want to know yourgut feeling, Morgan, where is Andy?
If this is the Kentucky Derby we'reon the home stretch this week,
which horse is Andy Basher of theeight or nine that we're hearing about.
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Yeah, that's such a it's sucha I used a Derby analogy or earlier
when talking to people about this.I think he's that really trendy Derby pick
right now that might not be theMorning line's favorite, but that a lot
of the locals and the people onthe backside are excited about. Because if
you just look at I'm trying tobe objective out there, so you know,
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as you know, you know whenyou get my opinion, and now
I'm going to try and and handicapthe race to continue the analogy with some
objectivity, which is you know,Kamala Harris. I think would be wise,
uh to pick someone who is awho's contrasting to her. And you
know, so you look at theshort list and if Andy Basheer probably a
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Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania, Roy Cooperfrom North Carolina, you know, all
governors. It gives you gender balanceon the ticket. Uh, it gives
you racial balance on the ticket.Uh. And you know, so there's
three guys we've just mentioned. Thereare probably a few other names we're going
to see pop up, whether it'sa Mark Kelly in Arizona, AG Gretchen
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Whitmer in Michigan. I think couldbe a really interesting pick as well.
But of those, you know,Andy is young, he is very experienced.
Like Kamala Harris, he was anattorney general. I even think they
overlapped briefly. And those offices probablyknow each other from that, you know,
given that's kind of a close fraternity. Uh. He's been governor now,
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he's been elected three times state ledin Kentucky, which is a state
Donald Trump won by thirty points intwenty twenty. And you know, he's
got a good looking family. He'sa nice guy. He's got a great
record of economic development and bringing jobsand bringing workers to Kentucky, leading us
through disasters. So you know,I think people are there's a there's a
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real buzz around him right now.You mentioned though, like the optics of
saying, well, gender balance andracial balance and this that whatever, are
we not mature enough now to sayGretchen and Whitmer could run with Kamala Harris
and have two women and who caresAbsolutely No, I think absolutely, and
that's why I brought her up.I think that is absolutely a pick.
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And look, you know Gretchen Whitmerobviously very well spoken, lots of they
might be been a governor and isa governor of a swing state in Michigan.
You know, so I think thatwe're absolutely at that point, and
I wouldn't rule anything out at thisat this point, but I think,
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you know, to your question ofwhere do I handicap the race for Andy,
I think he's on a very shortlist as a really attractive candidate.
I like it. Michigan's got fifteenelectoral votes in Pennsylvania nineteen. You mentioned
Cooper in North Carolina that's sixteen,and Kentucky only delivers eight. And I
don't know that Donald Trump can bedefeated in Kentucky. So you know,
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you do come with a dowry,you know what I mean? Mark Kelly
out in Arizona. Yeah, you'rebringing something to the potluck supper, that's
exactly. And look, I hopeI didn't confuse anybody here. I am
not predicting that Kentucky is going tovote for the Democratic presidential candidate this fall.
But you know, but Andy himselfis an attractive candidate. Like you
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said, there's lots of candidates tobring other things. And if you look
at the map from the Democratic perspective, win Wisconsin, win Michigan, win
Pennsylvania, and you likely win thepresidency. And that that's a simple mathematical
way to look at the map.So obvious for those states through and their
governors are attractive as well. Lastthing on the news today, of course,
obviously the Secret Service director is KimberlyCheedle, and she's really not answering
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questions today. Jared Moskowitz was brilliantwith her a little while ago. He's
like, remember the university professors thatcame in, they all resigned. Your
day is going just like theirs,And so what do you what do you
think about what where we are withthis whole Secret Service leadership at this point,
nine days after this attempted assassination ofDonald Trump. Yeah, first of
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all, I'll give you the insidescoop. Jared Moscowitz. I know him
well, he is he's the chairmanof the Sneaker Caucus here in Washington.
He has an incredible shoe collection andhe wears them all the time. But
if you saw today after the hearing, Jamie Comer from Kentucky's chairman of the
Oversight Committee, and Jamie Raskin,who is our Democratic ranking member on the
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committee, and they sniped all thetime. Yeah, I'm not sure they
agreed. Today is Monday, butthey do agree that the Secret Service directors
should resign based on her Testomary Day, and they issued a letter to that
effect. This is something that wetake very very seriously. It is above
politics. When you have a kidgo on to a roof with an AR
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fifteen and shoot at a current nomineeand former president, it does not matter
which party. That is something wedo not tolerate. That is an attack
on our American system. And sonot only are you seeing Democrats and Republicans
come together, you mentioned Jarre Moswitz, who is a Democrat. You're seeing
Democrats and Republicans come together on this. This week, the House is going
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to vote to establish a task forceon the attempted as fascination of Donald Trump.
It's going to operate like the Januarysixth committee, but it will have
six Republicans, that will have fiveDemocrats. They will have the subpoena power
and the ability to take depositions,which I think is really important in this
to find out those facts and investigateand examine the actions by the Secret Service
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and other law enforcement before the attack, because we've got to understand how this
happened, why it happened, wherethe failure failures occurred, and make sure
that it does not happen again.So you're not at the point yet though,
where you think Director Cheetle should resign. Well, I mean, look,
if if Jamie Raskin and Jamie Comerare sending a letter after the testomer
Jay thinks she should resign, I'mgoing to agree with them. I will
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tell you that. As you know, I'm coming to Washington today, they
had that hearing while I was travelinghere. I didn't get to watch any
of it, so you know,I'm following you a little bit behind on
the actual hearing, which i'll catchup on tonight as we're here for motes.
But you know, based on whatI'm seeing and reading right now,
they're clear failures and Jamie rask JamieComber, who I've known since my time
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in Frankfurt, Jamie Raskin, whoI have the most tremendous respect for.
They have called for her resignation.That means something, and it matters,
and so you know, obviously,without having watched the hearing, her cat
completely up on it right now.That means something to me, and it
sounds like she does need to stepaside brutal I think all the people who
are protect these should be nervous untilthere's a change at the top. Kamala,
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Joe Biden, Barack Obama, GeorgeW. Bush, all of them,
Donald Trump obviously, you know,everybody who's being protected needs to be
nervous until there's a change. Greattalking to you, congressman, and thanks
Jerry, it was good to talkto you. Appreciate you. There is
Congressman Morgan McGarvey live from Washington backand a few on news Radio eight forty whas
Bring in Congressman Morgan McGarvey joining usfrom Washington. Morgan, Hey, Kerry,
how are you all right? Youare working in Washington, are you?
I'm in Washington. Yeah. Idon't know if you've seen Cary.
There's a few things going on inthere right right now. I wanted to
make sure before I said that onthe area. I don't want to be
incorrect. I don't know if youhad something else that was popping and you
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were visiting. So yes, severalthings to talk about, for sure.
Okay, Obviously Kamala Harris moves tothe head of the ticket. How long
do you think it'll take for variousstates to chime in and say, you
know what our delegates are going withKamala Harris the vice president, and she'll
have the delegate count long before theconvention. I'm actually I'm both thrilled and
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you know, it's been great towatch because you're seeing that. I think
the party coalesce so quickly around KamalaHarris. The president gets out yesterday,
which even for those of us whothought it might happen or thought it was
the best thing to happen, it'sstill it's still surprising. And he immediately
endorses her, and then by theend of the day, you see she's
raised fifty million dollars, she hashundreds of congressmen and women and governors and
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supporters lined up. You saw theKentucky Democratic Party officially endorse her today.
You're thing that happen around the states. I think that whatever the process is,
the DNC outlines this week, andthis is one of those wheres you
hate to talk about process, butthat the DNC is going to outline the
process. Whatever that process is,I think you're going to see Kamala Harris
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win that process quickly and Democrats continueto build on the momentum that, honestly
I think we have right now andhas been absent from the Democratic campaign for
a little while. What do yousay to people, though, who say
this is a manipulated situation, becausethe delegates were already committed to Joe Biden,
and this looks like somebody that hewas pushed by leadership to get out,
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because he was saying up till likenine days ago, I'm in it
to win it. He's the leaderof the party, he's the president of
the United States, he's the leaderof the free world. He made this
decision, and he is the onlyperson who could have made this decision.
And I think one thing we've seenabout Joe Biden time and time again is
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the humanity he displayed, the humilityhe often displays, and he made this
decision on his own. He madeit, I think for the same reason
he decided to run in twenty twentyto save the soul of America, and
that was his purposes persons getting out. The idea that someone could have forced
him out, I think is probablysomething that people are saying on Twitter but
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doesn't have as much basis in reality. He made the decision to get out,
and that is his decision to make. Therefore, now he has released
his delegates, he is not theno on. I think people get this
mixed up too. He is notthe nominee right now. People called him
the presumptive nominee because even though hehas won primaries in states and those delegates
therefore are chosen to vote. Aswe've seen in conventions before, just because
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delegates are chosen does not mean that'show they vote at the convention. And
so this is one of the thingshe made the decision. There will be
an open, transparent and fair processgoing forward to the DNC has said,
I think Kamala Harris is going towin that as we see people continue to
rally around or build support, andI think you're going to see Democrats has
momentum and energy going into the fall. We're speaking when Morgan McGarvey represents Kentucky's
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third district in the US House ofRepresentatives. It was a drip drip drip
of various elected officials, yourself included, who said I think it's time for
you to step aside. Was therea game clock, like a baseball lineup,
like you're going at five o'clock McGarvey, and and such is going at
six o'clock and like that? Imean, how did you know when you
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were going to What led you tothe moment that you released your message?
Yeah, you know, and look, I wish Democrats were that organized,
but but it really is something.It was. It was both certainly as
a member of Congress, I discussedit with my colleague, I discussed it
with leadership. You know, Itake I take no joy in the idea
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that that Joe Biden stepped aside toclear the path to make sure that Democrats
have a chance to beat Donald Trumpin the fall. But you know,
for me, it's something that Ihad been saying privately for a long time,
and the decision only was whether tosay it publicly. I say privately,
you know, somebody stopped me inthe grocery store and asked for I
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think I'd tell them it wasn't likethis. It wasn't some uh, you
know, back room type thing.Anybody who asked me. I told him
how I felt, and how whatthe numbers were showing and how things were
playing out. And so one ofthe you know, the things that led
me to my decision was We've gota town hall, a telephone town hall
coming up this week where people cancall into I knew this was going to
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come up, and I thought itwas important for me to tell people what
I thought and why I thought it. And Morgan, you yourself have had
an extraordinary amount of face time withthe president, You and your daughter.
I mean, he's got a relationshipwhere she's drawn him cartoons. So what
did you see in terms of adecline in the time that you've known the
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president? Now? The president issuch as you mentioned, he's so great
with people, to watch him withstaff, to watch him with kids,
to watch him with us. Imean, the reality is as a freshman
member of the minority, you know, he takes the time to talk to
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everybody. I actually happened to bewith him about a month and a half
ago. We did something that wasso moving. A group of bipartisan legislators
went over with the President and withHouse and Senate leadership to go to the
eightieth anniversary of D Day at NormandyBeach in France. You know, it's
(06:01):
what I was talking about when saying, when finally making the very difficult decision
that President Biden did not give usa good enough chance to win an election
where the stakes are so high,it was about it was about making sure
that we again defeat what I seeis the extremism coming from Donald Trump's MAGA
Republican Party. And that's what ithad to do with and really nothing else.
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It wasn't about a mental or physicaldecline that you saw in this time.
It was about I mean, atthe end of the day, I
said, this is the president's decision, and the president is the one to
best know whether he can do thejob and whether he can get the job.
And you know, I did notthink the President and all the pulling
(06:48):
and a pulling across congressional districts,across other things. I didn't see the
president with I thought, as chancesof winning were solo and the stakes were
so high, that we probably neededto do something different. He use a
sports analogy. It was it wastime to make an adjustment. And that,
to me, is really what it'sabout. And I think now too,
(07:09):
I think you see passit agreement fromthe White House. You know,
Terry, you've watched this longer thanI have. And it's not often that
politicians that bad off. John Meachumthis morning quoted a politician from Lieu,
Tennessee, where he said, theonly cure for political ambition is embalming fluid.
Wow, and you know that,you know, to step down as
(07:33):
president of the United States. Ithink they saw something as well that gave
them faster concern. And then JoeBiden did what he has always done.
He put himself, He put hiscountry first. He put his country before
himself, and I think that isa stark contrast to what you see from
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Donald Trump. So clearly you think, though he's competent to hold the office
until January twenty, it's a lotof people saying, if he's not competent
to run for president, why ishe the president today? Yeah, because
he's never said those words. Youknow, that is someone saying because he's
not that is someone saying, becausehe's not running, I think these things
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are happening. He's never said that. No one has ever said he's not
running because of competency. He saidhe I mean, he said in his
statement why he's not running. Isaid in my statement why I didn't think
he was the best person to runfor Democrats. And it was always about
winnability. It was always about makingsure that he continues to protect America from
what I see is a real extremistthreat from the far right and the elements
(08:39):
that Donald Trump attracts. And sothat's what I think it is about,
more than anything else. And Congressman, is it unfair for people to say,
why can't we see a picture ofJoe Biden today or its video?
This is such an important moment inAmerican history that we just have something to
preserve for the archives, a photoor video or something. I don't think
(09:01):
it's unfair, you know, Ithink I don't think it's unfair at all
to say, let's let's see thepresident of to see the president, let's
see a photo of the president fromfrom my uh experiences at the White House
since you know, coming to Congress, and I will just say I've never
met a sitting president of the UnitedStates until I got elected to Congress.
But whenever you are at the WhiteHouse, and whenever you are around the
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President, even if it's in somethingthat is quote unquote closed to the press,
they're photographers there. There are peoplewho are taking pictures of him all
the time. I am confident thereare pictures that are being taken of him
today. Uh. And so youknow if they're being released or not.
I don't know the inside out ofthat and and have not been paying attention
(09:43):
to that today, but those there, I don't think it's unfair at all
to ask for pictures of video.And I think he's also said he's going
to address the country this week onit, which is important to do.
Okay. Our Governor Andy Basheer saidhe was called by Kamala Harris yesterday tell
w h as eleven television's Isaiah KimMartinez as she called, asked for his
(10:05):
endorsement, and then I and Isaiahsaid, you expecting to get another call
soon, and he said, well, you know that's that's up to the
machine. I want to know yourgut feeling, Morgan, where is Andy?
If this is the Kentucky Derby we'reon the home stretch this week,
which horse is Andy Basher of theeight or nine that we're hearing about.
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Yeah, that's such a it's sucha I used a Derby analogy or earlier
when talking to people about this.I think he's that really trendy Derby pick
right now that might not be theMorning line's favorite, but that a lot
of the locals and the people onthe backside are excited about. Because if
you just look at I'm trying tobe objective out there, so you know,
(10:50):
as you know, you know whenyou get my opinion, and now
I'm going to try and and handicapthe race to continue the analogy with some
objectivity, which is you know,Kamala Harris. I think would be wise,
uh to pick someone who is awho's contrasting to her. And you
know, so you look at theshort list and if Andy Basheer probably a
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Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania, Roy Cooperfrom North Carolina, you know, all
governors. It gives you gender balanceon the ticket. Uh, it gives
you racial balance on the ticket.Uh. And you know, so there's
three guys we've just mentioned. Thereare probably a few other names we're going
to see pop up, whether it'sa Mark Kelly in Arizona, AG Gretchen
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Whitmer in Michigan. I think couldbe a really interesting pick as well.
But of those, you know,Andy is young, he is very experienced.
Like Kamala Harris, he was anattorney general. I even think they
overlapped briefly. And those offices probablyknow each other from that, you know,
given that's kind of a close fraternity. Uh. He's been governor now,
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he's been elected three times state ledin Kentucky, which is a state
Donald Trump won by thirty points intwenty twenty. And you know, he's
got a good looking family. He'sa nice guy. He's got a great
record of economic development and bringing jobsand bringing workers to Kentucky, leading us
through disasters. So you know,I think people are there's a there's a
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real buzz around him right now.You mentioned though, like the optics of
saying, well, gender balance andracial balance and this that whatever, are
we not mature enough now to sayGretchen and Whitmer could run with Kamala Harris
and have two women and who caresAbsolutely No, I think absolutely, and
that's why I brought her up.I think that is absolutely a pick.
(12:39):
And look, you know Gretchen Whitmerobviously very well spoken, lots of they
might be been a governor and isa governor of a swing state in Michigan.
You know, so I think thatwe're absolutely at that point, and
I wouldn't rule anything out at thisat this point, but I think,
(13:00):
you know, to your question ofwhere do I handicap the race for Andy,
I think he's on a very shortlist as a really attractive candidate.
I like it. Michigan's got fifteenelectoral votes in Pennsylvania nineteen. You mentioned
Cooper in North Carolina that's sixteen,and Kentucky only delivers eight. And I
don't know that Donald Trump can bedefeated in Kentucky. So you know,
(13:20):
you do come with a dowry,you know what I mean? Mark Kelly
out in Arizona. Yeah, you'rebringing something to the potluck supper, that's
exactly. And look, I hopeI didn't confuse anybody here. I am
not predicting that Kentucky is going tovote for the Democratic presidential candidate this fall.
But you know, but Andy himselfis an attractive candidate. Like you
(13:43):
said, there's lots of candidates tobring other things. And if you look
at the map from the Democratic perspective, win Wisconsin, win Michigan, win
Pennsylvania, and you likely win thepresidency. And that that's a simple mathematical
way to look at the map.So obvious for those states through and their
governors are attractive as well. Lastthing on the news today, of course,
obviously the Secret Service director is KimberlyCheedle, and she's really not answering
(14:09):
questions today. Jared Moskowitz was brilliantwith her a little while ago. He's
like, remember the university professors thatcame in, they all resigned. Your
day is going just like theirs,And so what do you what do you
think about what where we are withthis whole Secret Service leadership at this point,
nine days after this attempted assassination ofDonald Trump. Yeah, first of
(14:31):
all, I'll give you the insidescoop. Jared Moscowitz. I know him
well, he is he's the chairmanof the Sneaker Caucus here in Washington.
He has an incredible shoe collection andhe wears them all the time. But
if you saw today after the hearing, Jamie Comer from Kentucky's chairman of the
Oversight Committee, and Jamie Raskin,who is our Democratic ranking member on the
(14:54):
committee, and they sniped all thetime. Yeah, I'm not sure they
agreed. Today is Monday, butthey do agree that the Secret Service directors
should resign based on her Testomary Day, and they issued a letter to that
effect. This is something that wetake very very seriously. It is above
politics. When you have a kidgo on to a roof with an AR
(15:18):
fifteen and shoot at a current nomineeand former president, it does not matter
which party. That is something wedo not tolerate. That is an attack
on our American system. And sonot only are you seeing Democrats and Republicans
come together, you mentioned Jarre Moswitz, who is a Democrat. You're seeing
Democrats and Republicans come together on this. This week, the House is going
(15:39):
to vote to establish a task forceon the attempted as fascination of Donald Trump.
It's going to operate like the Januarysixth committee, but it will have
six Republicans, that will have fiveDemocrats. They will have the subpoena power
and the ability to take depositions,which I think is really important in this
to find out those facts and investigateand examine the actions by the Secret Service
(16:03):
and other law enforcement before the attack, because we've got to understand how this
happened, why it happened, wherethe failure failures occurred, and make sure
that it does not happen again.So you're not at the point yet though,
where you think Director Cheetle should resign. Well, I mean, look,
if if Jamie Raskin and Jamie Comerare sending a letter after the testomer
Jay thinks she should resign, I'mgoing to agree with them. I will
(16:27):
tell you that. As you know, I'm coming to Washington today, they
had that hearing while I was travelinghere. I didn't get to watch any
of it, so you know,I'm following you a little bit behind on
the actual hearing, which i'll catchup on tonight as we're here for motes.
But you know, based on whatI'm seeing and reading right now,
they're clear failures and Jamie rask JamieComber, who I've known since my time
(16:51):
in Frankfurt, Jamie Raskin, whoI have the most tremendous respect for.
They have called for her resignation.That means something, and it matters,
and so you know, obviously,without having watched the hearing, her cat
completely up on it right now.That means something to me, and it
sounds like she does need to stepaside brutal I think all the people who
are protect these should be nervous untilthere's a change at the top. Kamala,
(17:14):
Joe Biden, Barack Obama, GeorgeW. Bush, all of them,
Donald Trump obviously, you know,everybody who's being protected needs to be
nervous until there's a change. Greattalking to you, congressman, and thanks
Jerry, it was good to talkto you. Appreciate you. There is
Congressman Morgan McGarvey live from Washington backand a few on news Radio eight forty whas
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