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July 7, 2025 • 13 mins
Chairman of the House of Energy and Commerce Commision Rep. Brett Guthrie (KY-02) discusses the latest Trump team tariffs. We also wonder why Democrats are squawking about rural hospital closings when $50 billion was added to the Big Beautiful Bill to protect them.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're on news radio Waight forty whas Congressman Brett Guthrie's
with US Kentucky's second Congressional district, of course, also chairman
of the House Committee on Energy in Commerce.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello, Brett, Hello, how are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good talking to you again, brother, it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good, good, it has been a while. I'm sorry you've
been well.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, busy in DC, but it's always good talking with you.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
You have the opportunity, you have been busy. We'll talk
about the big beautiful bill in a minute, but we
were just we just ran the news story on the
threatening of higher tariffs against Japan and South Korea and
the possibility of deals in the next four year. What
can you tell me, Congressmen, are they closing the door
on a few of these tariff deals?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Well, I, well, that's a negotiation. So the way the
tariffs work, we that have Congress has given power under
certain circumstances, as President Trump is invoking to negotiate the
terrorf So that's something going on between the executive branch
and and our our friends and the people that we
hopefully will have a deal to trade with. But I

(00:59):
think these off he you know, we first started with
the day that he put out a lot of tariffs
on in other countries. He since picked different ones that
he's walked that back on and try to come up
with a strong deal. But I you know, China, excuse me,
Japan has always been a great investor in Kentucky. So
was certainly value China. China excuse me. I keep saying
China on a line. Japan and their opportunities here, but

(01:24):
they'll into into Japan as well, and in South Korea
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
South Still it.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Does invest in the United States. They send stuff to
the United States, but it's very difficult to break those
markets in those countries. And that's what President Trump's trying
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, they've had the upper hand, but like we do
work well with Toyota, we have for decades in Kentucky.
But there's still.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Limits a great Kentucky company, aren't.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
There's limitations of Kentucky products going back into Japan. Is
that right?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
That's correct? And so that's what we're trying to say,
open your markets up to us. And in the end,
what President Trump is trying to get to is that
will treat your economy like three dollars And he's really
feels like America has been taking in if you just
kind of sum some of the things up. For President Trump,
America has been taking advantage of whether that's defending Europe

(02:10):
when Europe doesn't put the money into it, and he
just went to NATO and got each European country but
Spain to put pipercent in. You know, Japan has been
a great investor, a boy, they're a wonderful investor in Kentucky.
So there's no complaints there, but we also there needs
to be a two way streak. They need to receive
our products if we're going to ship to them. Same
thing with South Korea. You know, Hyundai is a big

(02:32):
investor in the United State. Samsung, there's a lot from
South Korea and those their friends. But they also need
to know that that if if Japanese or South Koreans
want to buy our products, they should be able to
buy them without a caraff or non tariff barriers.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Which is so like, what do they make it difficult
for like say Apple or somebody to get into South
Korea or Japan, Well, they do.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
They make it difficult. It's difficult to buy an American
automoive made automobiles they just make it differ, dificult and
rules and regulations. It's like Europe where Europe says, we
don't tariff you like you're tariffing us when they put
tariff on Bourbon for example, and we say, yeah, but
you have all these regulations on any type of agriculture
that can come in. They don't put a tax on it.
They just make it almost impossible for us to sell

(03:17):
to them, like cheese and you know Wisconsin cheese. They
want to protect their French cheeses in France.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
And so those are one of the things that's not
that it's kinda determine world balance of trade payments. But
that's just an example of it's not really that they
put a tax on, but they just make it so
difficult for us to ship there that essentially prevents us
from trading with them. And that's what President Trump says,
let's all work together today, and he doesn't it does

(03:45):
it in a strong way. I get it, But as
how many how many years as the Obama and Biden
administration to go to negotiated with our rant and he
stands out, he finally stands up to Iran and guess
what they're at the negotiating table today. So sometimes feel
like is mephis but he gets things done.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
What about Netanyahu's visit here today?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Uh? Can this lead to a cessation of these back
and forth between Iran and these these escalations between Iran
and Israel.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, I'm in Kentucky today something some one of those
going on in the meetings going on in the Oval Office.
But I will say this is that, you know, President Trump,
a lot of people say a lot of things about him,
but he really is at heart someone that won't speak
of the world. And so he's trying to get peace
in Gaza and particularly a ceasefire. And you know, people

(04:39):
have to realize a lot of people who protest this
that Hamas still has prisoners. October is the seventh almost
you know, be year and a half ago, and so
is that people don't understand what happened. I mean, people
do know, but they try to dismiss what happened on
October the seventh and at a concert, peace peaceful concert.

(05:00):
The way people were treated, the way they were beaten,
things that happened to be murdered. No have you talk murdered?
If you talk about they said they're going to release bodies.
These are people that take tippy and have since dieting captivity.
But Harman, I mean, I think Naniell who says, well,
we got to make sure whatever deal is done, that
Hamas is no longer governing Gaza, and so I understand

(05:25):
their point. So we can't live next door to somebody.
We're not going to tolerate living next door to somebody
that does that to us.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
We're speaking of Congressman Brett Guthrie, Kentucky's second congressional district,
and he has chair of the House Committee on Energy
and Commerce. Still arose, it goes to the Senate, it
comes back, the negotiations happened, it's past now. Like one
of your colleagues, Morgan McGarvey, he's online, he's just railing
Andy Basher, the Democrat governor of Kentucky, just railing, Oh

(05:52):
the poor bit. They're starving people, hospitals are closing. It's
the end of the world. What do you say to
these folks when you see them, mus Massy, What do
you say to them to see if their business for them?
Are they sincere?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well maybe they believe it to be sincere.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
But let me let me explain to the situation. One,
it prevents taxes from going up on every American. It
puts money in our military artillery, the Golden Dome that
we need to have here. It puts money in that.
It puts a border wall. You know, essentially the illegal
immigration has gone almost to a trickle, but it ensures
we have And so when they talk about health care,

(06:32):
you got it. This is the situation, is that people
who are working, who are able to work and not
work and are gonna have to work to get free
health care. That that's just a fact. And I don't
apologize for that. I think that if people are able
to work, we exempt you know, moms with children under
fourteen or parents with children under fourteen, we exempt, uh,
we exempt people that are disabled. We exempt a whole

(06:53):
lot of people, caregivers, people caregivers, people truly choosing not
to work. Now, So, but what happens in Medicaid. It's
a state run program that the federal government pays for.
So for every dollar that the state spends, the federal
government spends nine. So if I was here, here's the

(07:14):
issue that they talk about, and this is the way
it needs to be addressed. If so, if I go
to the doctor and the papers, I'll go free because
I'm on medicate. They pay that doctor one hundred dollars.
The state government in the federal government sends ninety. The
state puts up ten. So what's happened is that people
have gone to the states or the state's gone to

(07:36):
the different providers and say, let me have a special
tax on people in healthcare. So I'm going to take
that those So let's say tax hospital twenty dollars. I'm
going to make this simple, but this is the prince,
the hospital twenty dollars. You take that, the hospital sends
it to Frankfurt. Frankfort says, instead of ten.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
We have twenty.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
So now they get one hundred and eighty dollars. And
then they paid the hospital one hundred and eighty dollars
for the same thing. And the state doesn't have any
money in the game. And that's what's going on around it.
It's not just Frankfort doing it's going around the country.
And so what the House did. It says you can't
continue to do that. It's all about a scam. So

(08:15):
those guys who are complaining about this, President Biden called
it a scalm. I never have called it a scam
because it's legal, so it's not a scam. We just
want to put a stop to it. President Obama tried
to put a stop to it, and so, and I
think most people in healthcare that I've talked to will
say things like, well, we know that this can't continue.
So what the House did was passed this says okay,

(08:38):
we're not gonna let you do it anymore, and stopped
it going forward. Well, the Senate, when they changed the bill,
came back and says, okay, we're going to stop it.
And then over the course of the next I think
it starts in four to five years, we're gonna slowly
move down where you can't have we call provider taxes
that's the hospital tax or bed tax or whatever you
want to call it, where you're limited to how much

(08:59):
of that kind of money you can use to match
federal Okay, it just becomes an open it becomes an
open ended. But the House a position was okay, let's
just freeze it and stop. The Senate change the position,
and then the final bill it was the Senate's position
was in the final bill. So what has to happen
is I've had some people from Frankfurt, not friends of
mine in the general Simbly, some other people come to

(09:20):
me and say, you just need to make this a priority.
Well my answer is, well, you need to make it
a priority. We're paying nine out of every ten dollars
federal level.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
That makes sense, But.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
We didn't change that. We didn't change that.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I get to come up with.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
You've got to come up with a dollar.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Tell me about that or the two dollars to get
the got you eighteen dollars?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Tell me about the final vote on this? I mean,
how much arm twisting was there? Were you helping whip,
you know, play the whip role to get people to
step up to the to the ledger and vote yes.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
I was just trying to watch. So my role concerns
about what I just described because because I mean, I
couldn't tell you the best way to buy an F
thirty five there playing because I'm not on that committee.
So it's nothing on. There's four and thirty five of us,
and we've become experts in certain areas, and since this
was my committee area, my job was to sit down

(10:10):
and explain to people, how's this going to affect my hospital?
What's this going to do we're not changing the masals
is going to be nine dollars every ten or if
you're disabled. The way it's set up, it's it's a
less number actually from the federal government. The state pays more.
That's what we wanted to fix, but we didn't. So
I spent a lot of time walking through the process.

(10:32):
What the Senate did, changes, how the Senate changed it,
And you know there will be you know, the state's
going to have to put more money into choose not
to have these programs. But they can't just take money
from healthcare provider, send it to Washington and send it back,
okay direction, And that's what we tried to fix.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's what they tried to fix.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
So then is Governor Basher and Morgan McGarvey these guys,
is this amping up hysteria about closing hospitals and this
or are we just going to move on to the
next hysteria phase and then this hospital thing just.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Fad probably the next hysteria phase. So what happens is
they don't this doesn't even start until twenty twenty eight
because general assemblies won't be meeting. They don't meet every
year in every state. We don't have a budget year
every time, and it walks it, it steps it down.
It's like a half a percent right now. You can
I think Kentucky puts five percent of their matches. It

(11:27):
goes it has to go to three and a half.
Every state can do no more than three in some
states two more three and a half and it goes
down a half percent after that. So it gives General
Symbolis time to figure out what are the priorties are
we going to it's the state run program, how we're
going to how we're gonna get our match And we
also have time. We created a the Senate did it

(11:49):
did a freeze when they stopped it going forward and
actually walk some of it back. They created a Rural
Hospital Fund for fifty billion dollars to help rural hospitals. Yeah,
that's not pennants given everybody money. To give everybody a
lot of money. Let's figure out where the where the harsh,
harshest part of it.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
But the shier still goes on and scares Grandma's there.
He doesn't mention that part. That's what's wrong is with
scaring old people is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
And none of this starts until even twenty twenty eight
and then.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
It stepped down.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's not like it just goes away and changes.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I get tired of the theatrics. It's just a joke. Anyway.
I appreciate the time today, Brad as always. And are
you on recess? You guys on recess?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
We were? Since we're no how yeah, I wish I
was home in Kentucky. Going to explain this for more
and more folks. But we're home today because we were
supposed to be out last week for fourth of July.
So after we passed the one big beautiful Bill, we
we decided to take a few days and and I'm
molly out back and then get back for about three

(12:55):
more weeks and then we break an off.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
People, we'll be home.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Appreciate the time as always, Congressman.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Good talking to you, Congress and Brett Guthrie home in Kentucky,
represents the second District Back in a minute
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