May 30, 2024 • 22 mins
Dr. Ricky Jones reacts to the Trump verdict, issues with being a convicted felon, the cover-up getting him caught, where he could serve jail time, and what it says about America that he could be President again. He also got into the new University of Louisville President reaching out to him for a sit down...
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Doctor Ricky Jones in the studio.We're only going to be able to talk
for a minute or two. Thenwe're gonn take a break and come back
and have a longer, longer talk. What's your initial reaction? First of
all, the first words out ofthe reporter's mouth were Donald Trump is now
a convicted felon. Now what Iwas thinking, terry of all the things
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that you cannot do as a felon, and a lot of folk, I
know people are like, oh,you always talk about race, but black
people are disproportionately you know, charged, convicted, incarcerated, you know,
hung with felonies, hung on manyplaces, you could not vote and cannot
vote even here, you still haveto petition the governor be able to vote.
If you're a convicted felon, youhave serious problems getting a public assistance,
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I mean food stamps, if you'refeling access to public housing, you
cannot get, you know, accessto student loans. It's very difficult.
If you're feeling, you can't getcertain jobs if you are a felon.
In many cases, you can't owna gun, if you're a fella,
in travel restrictions, all of thesethings. If you are a convicted fella,
and it's tough. So the firstquestion that came to my mind,
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can you be president? Can yourun for president if you're a felon?
Donald Trump is emerging from the courtroomnow. I guess he's going to make
a statement, let's bring ABC backup. Fighting for our country. I'm
fighting for our constitution. Our wholecountry is being rigged right now. This
was done by the Biden administration inorder to mood or hurt an opponent,
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a political opponent. And I thinkit's just a disgrace. And we'll keep
fighting. We'll fight till the end, and we'll win because our country's gone
to hell. We don't have thesame country anymore. We have a divided
mess where nation to decline, seriousdecline. Millions and millions of people pouring
into our country right now from prisonsand from mental institutions, terrorists, and
(01:57):
they're taking over our country. Wehave a country. It's in big trouble.
But this was a great decision rightfrom day one, with a conflicted
judges should have never been allowed totry this case. Never, And we
will fight for our constitution. Thisis log from over. Thank you very
much. Right, there's Donald Trumphe's certainly not going to answer any questions,
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you know, but there he is. How often does someone get convicted
of a felony and then they areallowed to walk out and talk to everybody
that he's not in handcuffs. Sothis is all We're all in uncharted waters
now. It's once again accentuating Americancontradictions, right, I mean, there
are a lot of contradictions that wesee, and they're becoming more and more
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blatant. But make no mistake,all right, nobody who's paid attention to
the trajectory and the rhetoric of DonaldTrump should be surprised at how he's reacting
to this. He's making the argumentthat Joe Biden set this all up.
I mean, that's that's what hejust said. Right as soon as he
comes out, he's like, thisis a Biden thing to basically take a
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guy off the table who was tryingto save our country from all these illegal
immigrants and terrorists. He said,the country is going to hell. He
did not acknowledge, dude, youwere convicted by a jury of your own
peers. That's the argument that alot of people from that side of the
political ideological spectrum make all about ajury of your own peers. Donald Trump
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was not convicted. He was notfound guilty by Joe Biden. He was
not found guilty by that judge.He was found guilty by those jurors people
who are like teachers and and andspeech speak speech pathologists. Yeah, you
a wealth management person, right,You know a lot of different people from
different walks of life. So itwas like different economic standards and so forth
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for all the people. You andI were looking at the graphic of the
jurors looking like a good mix ofAmerican people. But here's what I find
in seeing what I've always found veryinteresting about Donald Trump and why I like
Donald Trump. Not as a person, but I like the presence of a
Donald Trump. Right. He hasalways kind of pulled to cover off American
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contradictions, and that Trump just sayswhat he thinks about things. He is
a political strong man. He doesn'treally hide his racism, he doesn't really
hide the nativism. He doesn't hidethose things. But the question is why
do Americans gravitate towards him? Soyou still have millions upon millions of people
who gravitate toward Donald Trump. Inthe midst of all of this stuff,
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there will still be millions and millionsupon millions of Americans who will gravitate to
Donald Trump, who is now aconvicted felon, right, and want him
to be more adamant about him beingpresident. And I'm wondering how they're going
to justify in those contradictions. Bythe way, he would argue with you
all day long that he's not aracist. He goes on and on about
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how the things he's done with hislife that that prove he is a man
of all people. I mean,you know you've you've heard those stories packaged
before. Anyway, Central Park Brothersabout that, right, Yeah, good
point. Okay, we're looking atimages from New York where they have three
of the the SUVs lined up there. That's where Trump in the street is
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blocked off. So he does getto leave, Ricky. Yeah, he's
convicted of thirty four counts and hegets to leave. And that wouldn't be
the case for a lot of folksconvicted of felas. Look, it might
not be the case for you.It damn sure wouldn't be the case for
me. If somebody brought me intoa courtroom right now and convicted me of
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one felony. I'm going to theHolden Seale. I'm going to jail thirty
four thirty four. Hey, heyman, I am fascinated by this.
I'm a news junkie, a politicaljunkie, I do. I'm happy,
bruh. Let's pie against slop.Let's see this. Sit tight. We've
got to run through some other things, and we're gonna come back in about
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ten months or so and have alonger chat about this. Donald Trump,
the former president, found guilty onall thirty four counts of falsifying business records
in that New York hush money trial. All thirty four counts guilty, say
Terry Donald Trump is now a convictedfelon. Wow. I was stunned when
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I heard that. Out of eighteenshe news a little while ago too.
We'll sit tight and come back ifthere's more, if there's any talk from
the judge or anyone else, willcarry that live for you here on news
Radio eight forty whas you're with newsRadio eight forty WHS. What an interesting
day in American history. Doctor RickyLee Jones here with Ian Vertrees and me
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Terry Allen Minors. I threw mymiddle name in there too, yeah,
man, let me put my middlename out there like that. I love
it because we talked about it earlier. He's got the name of that pop
singer for whatever she was, singerfrom forty years ago. We were gonna
use that jam, but just didn'tfit right. Chucky's in love. Y'all
dead wrong for this man. You'redead wrong for bringing up Ricky Lee Jones
and Chucky Love. He's still alive. I don't even know. Yeah,
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she's still alive around. Yeah,she's still alive. Your mama didn't do
that to you over she liked thatsinger, Ricky Lee Jones. Man,
I was named Ricky Lee Jones beforeanybody ever heard of that other than Ricky
Lee Jones. I didn't think shewas Everybody strike that from your memory and
anybody, anybody reach out to meand call me Ricky Lee. I will
find you, and I will bringthe mad came with me. We've touched
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the nerve, hen, I'll bringthe mad came with me because he pissed
off. Right, don't worry.I'm looking for the song right now.
If you play that song, ed, I swear for God for those of
you just getting into your cars now. An update former President Trump was found
guilty on all thirty four accounts offalsifying those business records in that hush money
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trial in New York. Ricky Jonesand I were looking at the juror descriptions
while they were waiting to find outwhat it was, and it was a
good cross mix of professions people,and you you would think, I don't
know, there's gotta be one ortwo people in there who are gonna roadblock
for Donald Trump. And that's notwhat happened. No. I mean,
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look, we knew that the MadKing did it. I think everybody pretty
much knew that. And it's kindof like Watergate, if you know your
history. It wasn't the crime.It's to cover up. It's what he
did after right. It wasn't acrime of of Nixon. These people are
breaking in buildings. It's to coverup, right, And that's what happens
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with the Mad King. It wasn'ta crime for him to get with Stormy
Daniels. I ain't got no problemwith that. I mean, I'm a
dude who's dated everything from Paul Dancersto PhDs. I ain't have a problem
with the with the Mad King doingthat, you know, but then you
paying people off and all of thisstuff and lying about it that that became
the issue. Now the matd KINGKsaid he didn't, you know, he
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was like he was trying to keepthis from his wife. He trying to
keep it from his lady. Andyou know people were mad for years with
Hillary Clinton for staying with Bill Right, Yeah, is anybody mad with Milania?
I wonder what her afternoon is liketoday, dude? What has her
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life been like with the mad Kingfor years? Why is she still with
the mad King? That's the question. She loves him? And also the
question is we talked about in thelast segment. You got all of these
rights that people lose if they're convictedof a felony. You can't get food
stamps, you can't get student loans, you can't have access to public housing,
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many places for the lungs, Youcould not vote. Can you be
president with a felony hanging on you? People have said that he can run
from a prison cell. Now thesentencing hearing is July eleventh, two days
before my birth. There you go, and so we don't know exactly what
comes from this is at home incarceration. Think of the complications of if he
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were actually locked up, because hegets Secret Service protection from life, they
have to have weapons to protect him. How could they be in a penitentiary
that doesn't None of that makes anysense. They were just talking about that
on ABC down the line. They'vestill got some coverage going on, even
though obviously Donald Trump's already left andyou know, anything really newsworthys already happened.
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But they said, there are variousempty correctional facilities across the country,
and if he had to serve jailtime, they wouldn't be surprised if they
move him into one of the emptyones, because that is the only way
that they could conceive of having prisonsecurity and the Secret Service and everybody,
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you know, being able to dowhat they need to do without causing a
major nightmare. Isn't this a premisefor a movie like The Rock? Wasn't
that the name of that one ofthose guys took over that vacated prison.
Yeah, they took over Alcatraz,but Nicholas Cage in And I was about
to ask, because Alcatraz is vacatedright now. People do tours. I've
toured Alcatraz. Fun they should lockthe mad king up in Alcatraz and let
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people tour it and just look athim the career. I mean, come
on, man, this is insane. Though, seriously, this is insane,
but nothing surprises me at this point, Terry, Look here, here's
a serious question I have though.What does it say about this country that
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there's still a serious possibility that thisman can be the president again? What
does it say about the country peoplewant to go hard on the mad King.
I'm always asking what does the realityof the mad King say about America.
I'm wondering if these convictions well upeven more support for him out of
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a sympathy vote for people who areon the fence about this. And it's
hard to imagine anybody's on the fence. We already know the two candidates,
we've already had them run in thepast. Sympathy. No, this is
not sympathy. What this is.They're in there, they're locked arms with
this dude. It's not like somesympathy vote, like, oh, I
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feel bad for Donald Trump. Thesepeople are nationalistic. They are pro American.
They're going hard about America when convenient, when convenient, right, But
when it runs against something that theybelieve, they become treason us real quick.
The J sixers did it right.It's just like in this area right
now. We may have time totalk about it today. I don't know
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all of the folk in Kentucky whowere like, we back to blue,
no matter what, Always back toblue, always back to blue. Never
questioned the police. Their jobs arehard as it is, even when they
have killed people. Here, weback to blue. Something had to happen.
They should have complied. Then theylocked Scotti Scheffler's ass up, and
all of a sudden the weather changed. Oh yeah, we got questions.
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Now we ain't back in the blue. It's a serious contradiction to me,
same thing with Look, this isthe greatest contradiction, all right, since
Snoop Dogg being loved and not afelon and Martha Stewart being a felon and
they friends. That's the greatest couplein the history of America. Love it.
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They love each other. And Ilove the presence of the mad King.
People get confused they you like DonaldTrump. I like what Donald Trump
exposes about America. That's why Ilove Scotty s Sheffler. Now I have
no idea what Scotty Sheffer's politics are, but I love him. Scotty S.
Sheffler might be all Trumpster. Hemight be over there right now calling
the mad King like Mad KINGK,I got you. I got a private
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jay coming in to pick up.We getting about the country, baby.
I don't know what Scotty S.Sheffer's politics are, but the reality of
the situation expose the contradictions of thiscity and this state in the way we
approach policing. Say im wrong.I'm glad that Scheffler's deal is done now
because of this was an ongoing embarrassmentfor the city. That's just it's just
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something else that is like a sideshow that was completely unnecessary. Anyway,
I talked with Steve Romands a littlewhile ago in the radio that we're gonna
make that available at WHS dot com. I'm mad, yep. He had
some more insights into things we wereable to talk about now that he couldn't
talk about before. So that's onour website at WCHS dot com under the
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podcast page. All right, I'mgonna flip the page on you right now.
You for a long time were achair of Pan African Studies at the
University of Louisville. They have arelatively new president there, and I understand
that you had a meeting. Shereached out to you. I'm glad you
brought that up because it's very importantto me. Man if I offer critique,
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criticism or whatnot, I like tooffer praise. So President Kim Shatzel
shout out to you. She reachedout, wanted to meet, sit down,
get to know one another a littlebit better. And you know,
I told her some of my concernsabout some of the people there. And
look, it is too early forbecause people ask, well, what do
you think about her? I don'tknow yet. I don't know what type
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of leader she's going to be astime goes on, because she hasn't she
hasn't been here long enough. Butthe fact that she reached out and wanted
to talk, that's a good start. I got a good feel from that.
You said publicly though, that alot of people around her you thought
were weak. Yeah, we weren'tdoing things they should or they're acting like
I'm working in the shadows when they'reYeah. Look, it's no big secret
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that my primary focus is racing democracy. I'm attributing for black people. I
was raised that way as a youngman in more House College. I'm following
in the footsteps of Martin Luther KingJunior. So what happens when you have
institutional upheaval like u of L hashad over the last five to ten years,
You'll get some the opportunity for somepeople who ain't done nothing nothing.
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So there's some black people who ain'tnever done a thing out there to move
the needle. They're trash, Itell them, they trash to their face,
right. But when you get newleadership in, those people get to
creep in and remake themselves right.So, and this works across the lines
of race too. Everybody who hasdone something to move this country forward has
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been revolutionaries from the founding fathers onup. So out there and in other
places, you got the black revolutionariesthat open doors, along with some very
very strong and sympathetic white partners rightwho believe in doing the right thing.
So the black revolutionaries open the doors, then these Uncle Tom's run through them,
and the Toms try to run throughthem and close the door and then
try to poison people on what theblack revolutionaries are about. And so the
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great thing for me is I don'twant no job, man. I got
my dream job, right, nowI'm good. I'm making more money than
I ever thought I was gonna makein my life. Right, I mean,
life is good for me, soI don't need that. So therefore
free to tell the truth. Sosome of the people around her on the
issues that concern me, Nah,later for them. Later for them,
they never gone hard, and theyif they buck at all, I will
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call them by name and challenge themto come meet me outside here of iHeart
student, and I'll fight him publicly. I no doubt that I will fight
them naked terry, so nobody cansay that I had a gun. Donald
Trump is now emerging from that federalcourthouse in New York. We see him
watching a helicopter shot that's being fedVI ABC News. He's out, He's
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got a few people around, Ricky, do you recognize who that is shaking
his hand? I don't know.That's Scotti Sheffler man, I don't think.
So. He is getting into ansuv and they've got a bunch of
those around there, and then Iguess that he goes back to to wherever
he lives in there until I don'tknow, until they take him Alcatraz.
We had Yeah, we haven't heardwhether or not. He's limited and where
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he could go. Obviously, he'scampaigning to be president of the United States,
so I don't know if there areany geographical limitations on him. This
is all uncharted water. Can Iflip this for a second, ask you
a question, Terry, because you'reyou're you know, you are the ultimate
American. You know so much aboutthis country. I don't know. And
look so on one side of theticket, you got a man that many
people around the globe is sitting bycomplicitly as genocide is happening, and in
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a number of places it's the world'sonly superpower. You ain't hear nothing about
Ukraine, So I mean blat Putin. I call him blad black Paler.
He wrote them like a straight gangster. He's like, I'm doing what I
want to do in Ukraine. Youbetter not say a word. You don't
even hear that about that too muchanymore. No, this madness is going
on, you know, with Israeland Palestine, and nobody wants to look
at the historical textualization of that.And they have lost thirty five thousand Palestinian
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thirteen thousand children have died over there, either from attacks or starvation, nobody
said anything about do people in Americaeven though where Sudan is, what's happening
in Sudan on the continent of Africa, y'all don't know where that is.
I mean, that's genocidal that's goingon, and Sleepy Joe seems to be
asleep at the wheel. So that'son the Democratic side. Then on the
other side, you got a convictedfelon. One of these two men is
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gonna be the president of the UnitedStates. Is this the best your country
got to offer? Apparently, soJesus, that's where we are. Ricky
Jones, he is gonna you gonnahang around a few more minutes. Yeah,
come back at your wife. Ineed to tell you about that.
Oh okay, I think I heardabout a little bit of this at my
house. All right, well,we're back in a few We're gonna step
aside for a bit again. Ifyou're just joining us. Former President Trump
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was found guilty on all thirty fouraccounts of falsifying business records in that hush
money trial. You say it,Donald Trump is a convicted felon, and
his sentencing date is July eleventh.I will try to dig in and find
out what other rules are in placefor him now, whether he's limited geographically,
can't leave New York City whatever ithappens to be, or he's allowed
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to just take off now and goto a campaign event. All that's to
be learned as soon as the scribesget that out to us. All right,
coming right back on news radio eightforty. Whas Donald Trump, of
course can continue running for president asa convict, or even serve as president
as a convict, Well, whywould you say, of course to that,
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Well, I don't know. Wehaven't been here before. May don't
you think that's odd? You can'tget food stamps, but you can be
the president. Donald Trump, ofcourse, has promised to appeal. His
sentencing is July eleventh. He couldget as much as four years behind bars
or probation. Look, I findit ironic that in twenty sixteen, when
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Donald Trump was running for president andhe hating on Hillary, one of the
biggest chances they had at his rallieswas lock her up, lock her up.
If I'm a sleepy Joe, wheneverI have a rally, I'm chaying
lock him up, lock him up. That's what I'm doing. Let's see,
let's check Joe Biden's Twitter? Arethey smarting off about this? So
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far? Now? Twenty six minutesago they posted a fundraising thing. There's
only one way to keep Donald Trumpout of the Oval Office at the ballot
box. Donate to our campaign today. I mean it's almost six o'clock.
Joe's already eating and going to bed, right, so how would he be
tweeting at this point? You've beenwrong all day? That's so true?
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Oh god? Oh well, youknow who else should be locked up before
we have to go? Who's that? Your wife? Oh? Why are
you? Man at? Mary Georgeminers? Look? Man, I hope
Mary George minus is listening to this. For people who don't know, there's
a nice game from the New YorkTimes called Wordle. If you're not it's
played by a lot of nerds likeme, Mary George. That's your daughter,
Gracie, My daughter Jordan plays.We all do it. You get
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six tries to guess a five letterword on wordle. It goes every day,
okay, on average? On average, it's gonna take you like four
times. If you do three,it's really good. Get three guesses.
I'm minding my own business yesterday,minded my own business. I get a
text from Mary George Minel Miners gotwordled in two. She just says it
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got it in two. I'm like, you had to cheat. Nobody gets
it in two. Then you knowshe just keeps poking. That's right,
that what she does. And shesays, then she texts me, she
said, I only sent it toyou and Gracie, your daughter, because
I knew it would piss you off. That she said, that's right,
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she knew it would get to you, and you're supporting her in this.
She's a smart woman. I knowbetter than the same one time and then
I retired. I don't know howyou did it, married, George Miners,
but you somehow cheated at wordle andyou know what the punishment should be.
They should lock her ass up ina cell next to Donald Trump,
the mad King out of Alcatraz,and let people walk by and see what
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we're gonna chant when we see Marynext. Lock her up, Lock her
up, Lock her up, Rickygrat c again, Love you, brother to brother
Doctor Ricky Jones in the studio.We're only going to be able to talk
for a minute or two. Thenwe're gonn take a break and come back
and have a longer, longer talk. What's your initial reaction? First of
all, the first words out ofthe reporter's mouth were Donald Trump is now
a convicted felon. Now what Iwas thinking, terry of all the things
(00:20):
that you cannot do as a felon, and a lot of folk, I
know people are like, oh,you always talk about race, but black
people are disproportionately you know, charged, convicted, incarcerated, you know,
hung with felonies, hung on manyplaces, you could not vote and cannot
vote even here, you still haveto petition the governor be able to vote.
If you're a convicted felon, youhave serious problems getting a public assistance,
(00:44):
I mean food stamps, if you'refeling access to public housing, you
cannot get, you know, accessto student loans. It's very difficult.
If you're feeling, you can't getcertain jobs if you are a felon.
In many cases, you can't owna gun, if you're a fella,
in travel restrictions, all of thesethings. If you are a convicted fella,
and it's tough. So the firstquestion that came to my mind,
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can you be president? Can yourun for president if you're a felon?
Donald Trump is emerging from the courtroomnow. I guess he's going to make
a statement, let's bring ABC backup. Fighting for our country. I'm
fighting for our constitution. Our wholecountry is being rigged right now. This
was done by the Biden administration inorder to mood or hurt an opponent,
(01:30):
a political opponent. And I thinkit's just a disgrace. And we'll keep
fighting. We'll fight till the end, and we'll win because our country's gone
to hell. We don't have thesame country anymore. We have a divided
mess where nation to decline, seriousdecline. Millions and millions of people pouring
into our country right now from prisonsand from mental institutions, terrorists, and
(01:57):
they're taking over our country. Wehave a country. It's in big trouble.
But this was a great decision rightfrom day one, with a conflicted
judges should have never been allowed totry this case. Never, And we
will fight for our constitution. Thisis log from over. Thank you very
much. Right, there's Donald Trumphe's certainly not going to answer any questions,
(02:21):
you know, but there he is. How often does someone get convicted
of a felony and then they areallowed to walk out and talk to everybody
that he's not in handcuffs. Sothis is all We're all in uncharted waters
now. It's once again accentuating Americancontradictions, right, I mean, there
are a lot of contradictions that wesee, and they're becoming more and more
(02:42):
blatant. But make no mistake,all right, nobody who's paid attention to
the trajectory and the rhetoric of DonaldTrump should be surprised at how he's reacting
to this. He's making the argumentthat Joe Biden set this all up.
I mean, that's that's what hejust said. Right as soon as he
comes out, he's like, thisis a Biden thing to basically take a
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guy off the table who was tryingto save our country from all these illegal
immigrants and terrorists. He said,the country is going to hell. He
did not acknowledge, dude, youwere convicted by a jury of your own
peers. That's the argument that alot of people from that side of the
political ideological spectrum make all about ajury of your own peers. Donald Trump
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was not convicted. He was notfound guilty by Joe Biden. He was
not found guilty by that judge.He was found guilty by those jurors people
who are like teachers and and andspeech speak speech pathologists. Yeah, you
a wealth management person, right,You know a lot of different people from
different walks of life. So itwas like different economic standards and so forth
(03:52):
for all the people. You andI were looking at the graphic of the
jurors looking like a good mix ofAmerican people. But here's what I find
in seeing what I've always found veryinteresting about Donald Trump and why I like
Donald Trump. Not as a person, but I like the presence of a
Donald Trump. Right. He hasalways kind of pulled to cover off American
(04:14):
contradictions, and that Trump just sayswhat he thinks about things. He is
a political strong man. He doesn'treally hide his racism, he doesn't really
hide the nativism. He doesn't hidethose things. But the question is why
do Americans gravitate towards him? Soyou still have millions upon millions of people
who gravitate toward Donald Trump. Inthe midst of all of this stuff,
(04:36):
there will still be millions and millionsupon millions of Americans who will gravitate to
Donald Trump, who is now aconvicted felon, right, and want him
to be more adamant about him beingpresident. And I'm wondering how they're going
to justify in those contradictions. Bythe way, he would argue with you
all day long that he's not aracist. He goes on and on about
(04:58):
how the things he's done with hislife that that prove he is a man
of all people. I mean,you know you've you've heard those stories packaged
before. Anyway, Central Park Brothersabout that, right, Yeah, good
point. Okay, we're looking atimages from New York where they have three
of the the SUVs lined up there. That's where Trump in the street is
(05:21):
blocked off. So he does getto leave, Ricky. Yeah, he's
convicted of thirty four counts and hegets to leave. And that wouldn't be
the case for a lot of folksconvicted of felas. Look, it might
not be the case for you.It damn sure wouldn't be the case for
me. If somebody brought me intoa courtroom right now and convicted me of
(05:43):
one felony. I'm going to theHolden Seale. I'm going to jail thirty
four thirty four. Hey, heyman, I am fascinated by this.
I'm a news junkie, a politicaljunkie, I do. I'm happy,
bruh. Let's pie against slop.Let's see this. Sit tight. We've
got to run through some other things, and we're gonna come back in about
(06:04):
ten months or so and have alonger chat about this. Donald Trump,
the former president, found guilty onall thirty four counts of falsifying business records
in that New York hush money trial. All thirty four counts guilty, say
Terry Donald Trump is now a convictedfelon. Wow. I was stunned when
(06:25):
I heard that. Out of eighteenshe news a little while ago too.
We'll sit tight and come back ifthere's more, if there's any talk from
the judge or anyone else, willcarry that live for you here on news
Radio eight forty whas you're with newsRadio eight forty WHS. What an interesting
day in American history. Doctor RickyLee Jones here with Ian Vertrees and me
(06:46):
Terry Allen Minors. I threw mymiddle name in there too, yeah,
man, let me put my middlename out there like that. I love
it because we talked about it earlier. He's got the name of that pop
singer for whatever she was, singerfrom forty years ago. We were gonna
use that jam, but just didn'tfit right. Chucky's in love. Y'all
dead wrong for this man. You'redead wrong for bringing up Ricky Lee Jones
and Chucky Love. He's still alive. I don't even know. Yeah,
(07:08):
she's still alive around. Yeah,she's still alive. Your mama didn't do
that to you over she liked thatsinger, Ricky Lee Jones. Man,
I was named Ricky Lee Jones beforeanybody ever heard of that other than Ricky
Lee Jones. I didn't think shewas Everybody strike that from your memory and
anybody, anybody reach out to meand call me Ricky Lee. I will
find you, and I will bringthe mad came with me. We've touched
(07:30):
the nerve, hen, I'll bringthe mad came with me because he pissed
off. Right, don't worry.I'm looking for the song right now.
If you play that song, ed, I swear for God for those of
you just getting into your cars now. An update former President Trump was found
guilty on all thirty four accounts offalsifying those business records in that hush money
(07:51):
trial in New York. Ricky Jonesand I were looking at the juror descriptions
while they were waiting to find outwhat it was, and it was a
good cross mix of professions people,and you you would think, I don't
know, there's gotta be one ortwo people in there who are gonna roadblock
for Donald Trump. And that's notwhat happened. No. I mean,
(08:13):
look, we knew that the MadKing did it. I think everybody pretty
much knew that. And it's kindof like Watergate, if you know your
history. It wasn't the crime.It's to cover up. It's what he
did after right. It wasn't acrime of of Nixon. These people are
breaking in buildings. It's to coverup, right, And that's what happens
(08:33):
with the Mad King. It wasn'ta crime for him to get with Stormy
Daniels. I ain't got no problemwith that. I mean, I'm a
dude who's dated everything from Paul Dancersto PhDs. I ain't have a problem
with the with the Mad King doingthat, you know, but then you
paying people off and all of thisstuff and lying about it that that became
the issue. Now the matd KINGKsaid he didn't, you know, he
(08:54):
was like he was trying to keepthis from his wife. He trying to
keep it from his lady. Andyou know people were mad for years with
Hillary Clinton for staying with Bill Right, Yeah, is anybody mad with Milania?
I wonder what her afternoon is liketoday, dude? What has her
(09:15):
life been like with the mad Kingfor years? Why is she still with
the mad King? That's the question. She loves him? And also the
question is we talked about in thelast segment. You got all of these
rights that people lose if they're convictedof a felony. You can't get food
stamps, you can't get student loans, you can't have access to public housing,
(09:35):
many places for the lungs, Youcould not vote. Can you be
president with a felony hanging on you? People have said that he can run
from a prison cell. Now thesentencing hearing is July eleventh, two days
before my birth. There you go, and so we don't know exactly what
comes from this is at home incarceration. Think of the complications of if he
(09:56):
were actually locked up, because hegets Secret Service protection from life, they
have to have weapons to protect him. How could they be in a penitentiary
that doesn't None of that makes anysense. They were just talking about that
on ABC down the line. They'vestill got some coverage going on, even
though obviously Donald Trump's already left andyou know, anything really newsworthys already happened.
(10:20):
But they said, there are variousempty correctional facilities across the country,
and if he had to serve jailtime, they wouldn't be surprised if they
move him into one of the emptyones, because that is the only way
that they could conceive of having prisonsecurity and the Secret Service and everybody,
(10:43):
you know, being able to dowhat they need to do without causing a
major nightmare. Isn't this a premisefor a movie like The Rock? Wasn't
that the name of that one ofthose guys took over that vacated prison.
Yeah, they took over Alcatraz,but Nicholas Cage in And I was about
to ask, because Alcatraz is vacatedright now. People do tours. I've
toured Alcatraz. Fun they should lockthe mad king up in Alcatraz and let
(11:09):
people tour it and just look athim the career. I mean, come
on, man, this is insane. Though, seriously, this is insane,
but nothing surprises me at this point, Terry, Look here, here's
a serious question I have though.What does it say about this country that
(11:31):
there's still a serious possibility that thisman can be the president again? What
does it say about the country peoplewant to go hard on the mad King.
I'm always asking what does the realityof the mad King say about America.
I'm wondering if these convictions well upeven more support for him out of
(11:54):
a sympathy vote for people who areon the fence about this. And it's
hard to imagine anybody's on the fence. We already know the two candidates,
we've already had them run in thepast. Sympathy. No, this is
not sympathy. What this is.They're in there, they're locked arms with
this dude. It's not like somesympathy vote, like, oh, I
(12:16):
feel bad for Donald Trump. Thesepeople are nationalistic. They are pro American.
They're going hard about America when convenient, when convenient, right, But
when it runs against something that theybelieve, they become treason us real quick.
The J sixers did it right.It's just like in this area right
now. We may have time totalk about it today. I don't know
(12:37):
all of the folk in Kentucky whowere like, we back to blue,
no matter what, Always back toblue, always back to blue. Never
questioned the police. Their jobs arehard as it is, even when they
have killed people. Here, weback to blue. Something had to happen.
They should have complied. Then theylocked Scotti Scheffler's ass up, and
all of a sudden the weather changed. Oh yeah, we got questions.
(12:58):
Now we ain't back in the blue. It's a serious contradiction to me,
same thing with Look, this isthe greatest contradiction, all right, since
Snoop Dogg being loved and not afelon and Martha Stewart being a felon and
they friends. That's the greatest couplein the history of America. Love it.
(13:22):
They love each other. And Ilove the presence of the mad King.
People get confused they you like DonaldTrump. I like what Donald Trump
exposes about America. That's why Ilove Scotty s Sheffler. Now I have
no idea what Scotty Sheffer's politics are, but I love him. Scotty S.
Sheffler might be all Trumpster. Hemight be over there right now calling
the mad King like Mad KINGK,I got you. I got a private
(13:43):
jay coming in to pick up.We getting about the country, baby.
I don't know what Scotty S.Sheffer's politics are, but the reality of
the situation expose the contradictions of thiscity and this state in the way we
approach policing. Say im wrong.I'm glad that Scheffler's deal is done now
because of this was an ongoing embarrassmentfor the city. That's just it's just
(14:03):
something else that is like a sideshow that was completely unnecessary. Anyway,
I talked with Steve Romands a littlewhile ago in the radio that we're gonna
make that available at WHS dot com. I'm mad, yep. He had
some more insights into things we wereable to talk about now that he couldn't
talk about before. So that's onour website at WCHS dot com under the
(14:24):
podcast page. All right, I'mgonna flip the page on you right now.
You for a long time were achair of Pan African Studies at the
University of Louisville. They have arelatively new president there, and I understand
that you had a meeting. Shereached out to you. I'm glad you
brought that up because it's very importantto me. Man if I offer critique,
(14:45):
criticism or whatnot, I like tooffer praise. So President Kim Shatzel
shout out to you. She reachedout, wanted to meet, sit down,
get to know one another a littlebit better. And you know,
I told her some of my concernsabout some of the people there. And
look, it is too early forbecause people ask, well, what do
you think about her? I don'tknow yet. I don't know what type
(15:07):
of leader she's going to be astime goes on, because she hasn't she
hasn't been here long enough. Butthe fact that she reached out and wanted
to talk, that's a good start. I got a good feel from that.
You said publicly though, that alot of people around her you thought
were weak. Yeah, we weren'tdoing things they should or they're acting like
I'm working in the shadows when they'reYeah. Look, it's no big secret
(15:30):
that my primary focus is racing democracy. I'm attributing for black people. I
was raised that way as a youngman in more House College. I'm following
in the footsteps of Martin Luther KingJunior. So what happens when you have
institutional upheaval like u of L hashad over the last five to ten years,
You'll get some the opportunity for somepeople who ain't done nothing nothing.
(15:50):
So there's some black people who ain'tnever done a thing out there to move
the needle. They're trash, Itell them, they trash to their face,
right. But when you get newleadership in, those people get to
creep in and remake themselves right.So, and this works across the lines
of race too. Everybody who hasdone something to move this country forward has
(16:11):
been revolutionaries from the founding fathers onup. So out there and in other
places, you got the black revolutionariesthat open doors, along with some very
very strong and sympathetic white partners rightwho believe in doing the right thing.
So the black revolutionaries open the doors, then these Uncle Tom's run through them,
and the Toms try to run throughthem and close the door and then
try to poison people on what theblack revolutionaries are about. And so the
(16:32):
great thing for me is I don'twant no job, man. I got
my dream job, right, nowI'm good. I'm making more money than
I ever thought I was gonna makein my life. Right, I mean,
life is good for me, soI don't need that. So therefore
free to tell the truth. Sosome of the people around her on the
issues that concern me, Nah,later for them. Later for them,
they never gone hard, and theyif they buck at all, I will
(16:53):
call them by name and challenge themto come meet me outside here of iHeart
student, and I'll fight him publicly. I no doubt that I will fight
them naked terry, so nobody cansay that I had a gun. Donald
Trump is now emerging from that federalcourthouse in New York. We see him
watching a helicopter shot that's being fedVI ABC News. He's out, He's
(17:15):
got a few people around, Ricky, do you recognize who that is shaking
his hand? I don't know.That's Scotti Sheffler man, I don't think.
So. He is getting into ansuv and they've got a bunch of
those around there, and then Iguess that he goes back to to wherever
he lives in there until I don'tknow, until they take him Alcatraz.
We had Yeah, we haven't heardwhether or not. He's limited and where
(17:38):
he could go. Obviously, he'scampaigning to be president of the United States,
so I don't know if there areany geographical limitations on him. This
is all uncharted water. Can Iflip this for a second, ask you
a question, Terry, because you'reyou're you know, you are the ultimate
American. You know so much aboutthis country. I don't know. And
look so on one side of theticket, you got a man that many
people around the globe is sitting bycomplicitly as genocide is happening, and in
(18:03):
a number of places it's the world'sonly superpower. You ain't hear nothing about
Ukraine, So I mean blat Putin. I call him blad black Paler.
He wrote them like a straight gangster. He's like, I'm doing what I
want to do in Ukraine. Youbetter not say a word. You don't
even hear that about that too muchanymore. No, this madness is going
on, you know, with Israeland Palestine, and nobody wants to look
at the historical textualization of that.And they have lost thirty five thousand Palestinian
(18:26):
thirteen thousand children have died over there, either from attacks or starvation, nobody
said anything about do people in Americaeven though where Sudan is, what's happening
in Sudan on the continent of Africa, y'all don't know where that is.
I mean, that's genocidal that's goingon, and Sleepy Joe seems to be
asleep at the wheel. So that'son the Democratic side. Then on the
other side, you got a convictedfelon. One of these two men is
(18:51):
gonna be the president of the UnitedStates. Is this the best your country
got to offer? Apparently, soJesus, that's where we are. Ricky
Jones, he is gonna you gonnahang around a few more minutes. Yeah,
come back at your wife. Ineed to tell you about that.
Oh okay, I think I heardabout a little bit of this at my
house. All right, well,we're back in a few We're gonna step
aside for a bit again. Ifyou're just joining us. Former President Trump
(19:12):
was found guilty on all thirty fouraccounts of falsifying business records in that hush
money trial. You say it,Donald Trump is a convicted felon, and
his sentencing date is July eleventh.I will try to dig in and find
out what other rules are in placefor him now, whether he's limited geographically,
can't leave New York City whatever ithappens to be, or he's allowed
(19:34):
to just take off now and goto a campaign event. All that's to
be learned as soon as the scribesget that out to us. All right,
coming right back on news radio eightforty. Whas Donald Trump, of
course can continue running for president asa convict, or even serve as president
as a convict, Well, whywould you say, of course to that,
(19:56):
Well, I don't know. Wehaven't been here before. May don't
you think that's odd? You can'tget food stamps, but you can be
the president. Donald Trump, ofcourse, has promised to appeal. His
sentencing is July eleventh. He couldget as much as four years behind bars
or probation. Look, I findit ironic that in twenty sixteen, when
(20:18):
Donald Trump was running for president andhe hating on Hillary, one of the
biggest chances they had at his rallieswas lock her up, lock her up.
If I'm a sleepy Joe, wheneverI have a rally, I'm chaying
lock him up, lock him up. That's what I'm doing. Let's see,
let's check Joe Biden's Twitter? Arethey smarting off about this? So
(20:41):
far? Now? Twenty six minutesago they posted a fundraising thing. There's
only one way to keep Donald Trumpout of the Oval Office at the ballot
box. Donate to our campaign today. I mean it's almost six o'clock.
Joe's already eating and going to bed, right, so how would he be
tweeting at this point? You've beenwrong all day? That's so true?
(21:07):
Oh god? Oh well, youknow who else should be locked up before
we have to go? Who's that? Your wife? Oh? Why are
you? Man at? Mary Georgeminers? Look? Man, I hope
Mary George minus is listening to this. For people who don't know, there's
a nice game from the New YorkTimes called Wordle. If you're not it's
played by a lot of nerds likeme, Mary George. That's your daughter,
Gracie, My daughter Jordan plays.We all do it. You get
(21:30):
six tries to guess a five letterword on wordle. It goes every day,
okay, on average? On average, it's gonna take you like four
times. If you do three,it's really good. Get three guesses.
I'm minding my own business yesterday,minded my own business. I get a
text from Mary George Minel Miners gotwordled in two. She just says it
(21:55):
got it in two. I'm like, you had to cheat. Nobody gets
it in two. Then you knowshe just keeps poking. That's right,
that what she does. And shesays, then she texts me, she
said, I only sent it toyou and Gracie, your daughter, because
I knew it would piss you off. That she said, that's right,
(22:15):
she knew it would get to you, and you're supporting her in this.
She's a smart woman. I knowbetter than the same one time and then
I retired. I don't know howyou did it, married, George Miners,
but you somehow cheated at wordle andyou know what the punishment should be.
They should lock her ass up ina cell next to Donald Trump,
the mad King out of Alcatraz,and let people walk by and see what
(22:37):
we're gonna chant when we see Marynext. Lock her up, Lock her
up, Lock her up, Rickygrat c again, Love you, brother to brother
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