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Tavi Wallace and David Martin get you set for the spring running season...
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(00:00):
We've reached a point on the calendarnow where the Triple Crown of running sends
us into the greatest time of year. If you want to get a medal,
or just some affirmation from your friends, or get your friends out early
to cheer for you. The LouisvilleTriple Crown of Running begins tomorrow March second.
The ten k race then comes upon March sixteenth, and March thirtieth,
(00:21):
there's a fifteen k, and youknow we all do that Derby Festival,
marathon or half marathon. There's somany great races ahead here in Louisville,
so I figure it's a good timeto talk to the greatest runner who
ever lived, Tave Wallace, who'sback in my studios. Good to see
you, partner, Hey, Terry, thanks for having me on again.
(00:41):
David Martin is back. He isa long ultra runner, marathon guy,
miracle man. What do you dofor a living, David, I've forgotten.
I work a Galen College of Nursing. I'm a data engineer. Oh,
a data engineer, So you thinkabout data when you're running. I
try not to. Tobby and Ihave talked many times about some of her
(01:03):
ultras as well, like you ranthe last time you were on it was
after you ran one hundred miles,Yeah, after my Aveleen one hundred mile
around this Noorn desert. Yeah,yes, let's don't blow by that.
That's right, I said, onehundred miles Ian Birtriees, you were here,
you heard that, Yeah, onehundred miles in the desert. Right.
We talked about that later, Like, dude, what do you think
(01:23):
about all that time? So I'masking you again, what do you do
to fill your brain? Either ofyou when you're on these incredibly long runs,
Tobby, Sometimes you kind of gotto like face those inner demons if
you're like bored out there. ButI think, like I told you last
time, I got really lucky thatI pretty much had company the whole time.
(01:45):
First half was just a girl thatI met, you become it kind
of fast tracks your friendship when you'rejust out there talking for forty miles,
and then I got to have pacersafter like the hundred k point. So
didn't you also say you deny yourselfmusic until the halfway point? Yeah,
and a watch and all of thatjust can't be too easy, you know,
(02:07):
why would you do a thing likethat? I wouldn't. I never
deny myself music ever, even ifI'm just walking through rooms at my house.
Much less would I want to dothat for one hundred miles. Well,
my phone would have died for onebecause it was a safety thing,
and then for two, I feellike it's a treat. Like if I
listened to it the whole time,I guess kind of don't notice it anymore.
(02:28):
But if it's something to look forwardto, I said at mile fifty
in between when I pick up apacer, I had about ten miles where
I just finally got to like zoneout. You ran fifty miles and were
denying yourself, like you weren't goodenough until I got to fifth day.
Yeah, something like that. That'skind of nuts. David. Are you
a music person or you listen tobooks on tape? What is it?
(02:49):
I'm kind of the same way.You want to enjoy the music. So
if you have music the entire timeon these long runs, sometimes you don't
appreciate it as much. But onso runs by myself, I do like
audiobooks, podcasts. It helps kindof keep in mind from just being blank.
All right, So, like Isaid at the beginning, we are
on the cusp of the running season, the race season here in the Louisville
(03:15):
and everybody gets excited about it.So let's tell people who are new to
this. Every year, we're tryingto bring new people to the family,
right, And some people ian,you did a really long I did a
long walk. I did fifty milesa few years ago. Yeah. But
for people who think, you know, they hear people like you guys,
(03:36):
and they think, well, thisas impossible, But really, a five
k is three point one miles.What do you tell people to just break
that down into half mile thoughts orwhat? Yeah, for the five k,
I would say, taket mile bymile, go out fast, hang
on, and then you only havea mile left. But that's what I
do. I don't love the fivek, to be honest. Well,
(03:59):
yeah, they probably don't even breaka sweat. No, it's the opposite.
You're like redlining the whole time.Your heart rate is so high.
And yeah, if you're raising it, is that a pride issue because you're
one hundred mile or you're an ultramarathon person that you're like three miles,
I should do it in my churchclothes. No, it's harder for me.
There's way more competition, that's true. Yeah, people don't fall by
(04:20):
the wayside, no, but it'sgot to be over in a matter of
what fifteen minutes, so I wishthat's painful. Fifteen minutes. Less than
twenty is the host. Okay,less than twenty is the dream for you,
you big time runners. But stillthere are so many people that could
just use a little bit of encouragementto think in their mind, if you
(04:41):
can't run and walk it right,yeah, or run walk walk somewhere in
between as well. Yeah, Iknow, is that a Swedish word fart
lick that whether people do those burstsof speed, And that's one way to
train where you learn kind of justsurge like crazy crazy, yeah, and
then take a little break whatever works. And so you can do that on
a lesser scale, where you justrun at whatever speed you think you can,
(05:04):
even if it's a trot, andthen walk and then trot some more
or whatever. The whole idea isto just keep improving each time you go
out. Yeah, So good luckwith the five k tomorrow and again a
couple of weeks later a ten kand the fifteen k's on March thirtieth and
the marathons and all the other thingsI heard the two of you were involved
(05:25):
in something. Are we in aswamp again, the Louisiana swamps. Yes,
we're in the Bayou in a swamp. Yeah, the red dirt one
hundred k ian. My arithmetic issometimes faulty. I think a marathon is
about forty two k. Is thatabout Ryan? Yeah? Exactly fort yeah,
forty two k. So if youdid a one hundred k, I
(05:46):
think we're talking about fifty five milesfifty six something ridiculous? What sixty two?
Sixty two? See, I toldyou we got to get our European
conversion chart out. I wouldn't knowthat if I hadn't done it before.
And the race director off on herbut wasn't enough. We did about sixty
five miles actually, so what theymade the race longer? It was,
Yeah, we didn't know that untilwe were at sixty two. We figured
(06:10):
it out. A lot of thetrail races seem to be a little longer
just because it's hard. You know, you're on a trail, so you
kind of have to go with howthe trail length is and then you kind
of adapt to that. But don'twe have electronics that measure all this anyway,
I think it's more catered to somethingto do with one hundred mile,
like splitting up loops. Oh,that sort of thing. I don't know.
(06:30):
So how did this work out inthe swamps of Louisiana. So when
we originally signed up for the race, it was supposed to or we thought
it was going to be pine needles, like a lot of pine needle running,
and it turned out there was quitea bit of sand and then water
as well, so quicksand is shequicksand like those nightmares where you're running and
(06:56):
you're not going anywhere, like aLooney Tunes cartoon, less silly and no
music. Oh wow. And thenof course you get some sort of nasty
muck in your shoes on top ofit, yes, which weighs you down.
You don't get the good foot strike. All that goes sure crossings multiple
times up to our shins. Ofcourse, why not make it harder.
(07:18):
But we had no blisters at all. We have a friend Matthew Godo and
Jeremy Couch. They both told usmultiple times too. It sounds weird,
but lub your feet vasoline. I'vedone afore Yeah, and it actually worked
for the whole day. It feelsweird when you put your socks on,
but then you're like, what's goingon? But then once you run,
you realize, oh, everything's movingaround nicely. Is at the end?
(07:41):
I took my sock off and pouredout like a bag of sand pretty much
because it was awful. Yeah,I felt good while you were running too,
and all that sandy and paper.I heard you you placed pretty well
in the race though. Yeah,you know, we didn't really running in
a place you've never been before.You don't really know what to expect because
(08:01):
most of the people out there werelocals. So we just kind of said,
well, we're gonna it was David'sfirst hunder k. We're just going
to run to finish. That's ourgoal. But I think at one point
somebody at an aid station said,you know, there's only two people in
front of you all, and wewere like, oh really, So we
kind of knew at that point,like, well, we might actually end
up on the podium. So itwas kind of an exciting time. There
(08:22):
are medals to speak of, they'rebelieve it or not. It was during
Marty Gras week. There were gumbospoons like artisan hand carved. When we
first got handed them, they werelike, oh, a spatula. Amanda
explained after the shock, we're offtheir Facebook. What what did you call
them? Yeah, we were like, why are you handing us? Oh?
(08:43):
Because it was carved in there?Like second third, Yeah, you
guys are amazing. You're incredible.I appreciate your visiting. Again, Ian,
you were asking earlier before we goton about nutrition over these long stretches.
Yeah, we mentioned I did afifty mile walk a couple of years
ago. Well, I didn't quiteget to the one hundred thousand steps,
so my addictive personality needs me toget that on my fitbit now. So
(09:05):
I'm working up to one hundred thousandsteps in a day. The question is
how what kind of stuff do youguys eat when you're doing those long events,
because you can't just you know,eat regular normal stuff while you're working
that hard. Your body just doesn'thandle that. Yeah. Well, also
I will have you know, Ian, you know you just verbally committed two
(09:26):
hundred thousand steps. Oh, I'vebeen committed. Yeah, it's it's been
out on social media for a while, so don't worry about that. I've
been training the whole deal. Sofor me, I've tried and tested a
lot of things. We were lookingat the forecast, at least for me
kind of obsessively. In Louisiana,the humidity level a bit higher. Ye.
Yeah, so it directly impacts mygut. I can even ingest less.
(09:52):
So I had only a few things, and I actually forgot this is
crazy. There's a brand of gummybears called, I think Albanyze gummy Bears.
A. Yes, I'm very familiar. Yeah, don't get hard when
it's cold. They're easy to chewwhen you're running. I just by happenstance,
they had them at every single aidstation during Red Dirt Score. I
got so lucky and I would comethrough and they would be like, oh,
(10:13):
the gummy bear girl. So forme, gummy bears, I would
I would be popping them. It'skind of fun, keeps your mind busy.
But gummy bears and pringles people thattrain with me, No, I
don't know why. Maybe because they'rejust simple starches and sugar. My stomach
can usually always tolerate those. Justyou know, regular gatorade, pedialyte,
sport, nothing too expensive, prettysimple. You know, sometimes you don't
(10:37):
need to overthink it. Your body'slike, this is food. I can
digest this. Sometimes the fancy syntheticchemical stuff for me my bodies it just
sits on top and doesn't that.Yeah, and then you just get really
really tired, Yes, because you'renot getting the sugar. It's not breaking
down. Yes. Then you takea nap when you finish a long race
and then have a triple cheeseburger.That's how that works. Nothing wrong with
that, or pizza or whichever wayyou need to go. What were you
(11:00):
eating, David, I wasn't payingattention. I was pretty much eating anything.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure at onepoint you had a pancake. Yes,
and the Louisiana those are called crawdads. They had gumbo at the finish
line forloce too. It might havebeen a little warm for that at the
right at the end. Yeah,bourbon they were Yeah, they were ready.
They were excited, a little firegoing. Keep winning the running Wars.
(11:22):
Proud of you guys, Thank you, thank you. Tommy Wallace.
Good to see you again. Andthere is David Martin and Ian Vertrees.
We're back in the minute on newsradio waight forty wha s
We've reached a point on the calendarnow where the Triple Crown of running sends
us into the greatest time of year. If you want to get a medal,
or just some affirmation from your friends, or get your friends out early
to cheer for you. The LouisvilleTriple Crown of Running begins tomorrow March second.
The ten k race then comes upon March sixteenth, and March thirtieth,
(00:21):
there's a fifteen k, and youknow we all do that Derby Festival,
marathon or half marathon. There's somany great races ahead here in Louisville,
so I figure it's a good timeto talk to the greatest runner who
ever lived, Tave Wallace, who'sback in my studios. Good to see
you, partner, Hey, Terry, thanks for having me on again.
(00:41):
David Martin is back. He isa long ultra runner, marathon guy,
miracle man. What do you dofor a living, David, I've forgotten.
I work a Galen College of Nursing. I'm a data engineer. Oh,
a data engineer, So you thinkabout data when you're running. I
try not to. Tobby and Ihave talked many times about some of her
(01:03):
ultras as well, like you ranthe last time you were on it was
after you ran one hundred miles,Yeah, after my Aveleen one hundred mile
around this Noorn desert. Yeah,yes, let's don't blow by that.
That's right, I said, onehundred miles Ian Birtriees, you were here,
you heard that, Yeah, onehundred miles in the desert. Right.
We talked about that later, Like, dude, what do you think
(01:23):
about all that time? So I'masking you again, what do you do
to fill your brain? Either ofyou when you're on these incredibly long runs,
Tobby, Sometimes you kind of gotto like face those inner demons if
you're like bored out there. ButI think, like I told you last
time, I got really lucky thatI pretty much had company the whole time.
(01:45):
First half was just a girl thatI met, you become it kind
of fast tracks your friendship when you'rejust out there talking for forty miles,
and then I got to have pacersafter like the hundred k point. So
didn't you also say you deny yourselfmusic until the halfway point? Yeah,
and a watch and all of thatjust can't be too easy, you know,
(02:07):
why would you do a thing likethat? I wouldn't. I never
deny myself music ever, even ifI'm just walking through rooms at my house.
Much less would I want to dothat for one hundred miles. Well,
my phone would have died for onebecause it was a safety thing,
and then for two, I feellike it's a treat. Like if I
listened to it the whole time,I guess kind of don't notice it anymore.
(02:28):
But if it's something to look forwardto, I said at mile fifty
in between when I pick up apacer, I had about ten miles where
I just finally got to like zoneout. You ran fifty miles and were
denying yourself, like you weren't goodenough until I got to fifth day.
Yeah, something like that. That'skind of nuts. David. Are you
a music person or you listen tobooks on tape? What is it?
(02:49):
I'm kind of the same way.You want to enjoy the music. So
if you have music the entire timeon these long runs, sometimes you don't
appreciate it as much. But onso runs by myself, I do like
audiobooks, podcasts. It helps kindof keep in mind from just being blank.
All right, So, like Isaid at the beginning, we are
on the cusp of the running season, the race season here in the Louisville
(03:15):
and everybody gets excited about it.So let's tell people who are new to
this. Every year, we're tryingto bring new people to the family,
right, And some people ian,you did a really long I did a
long walk. I did fifty milesa few years ago. Yeah. But
for people who think, you know, they hear people like you guys,
(03:36):
and they think, well, thisas impossible, But really, a five
k is three point one miles.What do you tell people to just break
that down into half mile thoughts orwhat? Yeah, for the five k,
I would say, taket mile bymile, go out fast, hang
on, and then you only havea mile left. But that's what I
do. I don't love the fivek, to be honest. Well,
(03:59):
yeah, they probably don't even breaka sweat. No, it's the opposite.
You're like redlining the whole time.Your heart rate is so high.
And yeah, if you're raising it, is that a pride issue because you're
one hundred mile or you're an ultramarathon person that you're like three miles,
I should do it in my churchclothes. No, it's harder for me.
There's way more competition, that's true. Yeah, people don't fall by
(04:20):
the wayside, no, but it'sgot to be over in a matter of
what fifteen minutes, so I wishthat's painful. Fifteen minutes. Less than
twenty is the host. Okay,less than twenty is the dream for you,
you big time runners. But stillthere are so many people that could
just use a little bit of encouragementto think in their mind, if you
(04:41):
can't run and walk it right,yeah, or run walk walk somewhere in
between as well. Yeah, Iknow, is that a Swedish word fart
lick that whether people do those burstsof speed, And that's one way to
train where you learn kind of justsurge like crazy crazy, yeah, and
then take a little break whatever works. And so you can do that on
a lesser scale, where you justrun at whatever speed you think you can,
(05:04):
even if it's a trot, andthen walk and then trot some more
or whatever. The whole idea isto just keep improving each time you go
out. Yeah, So good luckwith the five k tomorrow and again a
couple of weeks later a ten kand the fifteen k's on March thirtieth and
the marathons and all the other thingsI heard the two of you were involved
(05:25):
in something. Are we in aswamp again, the Louisiana swamps. Yes,
we're in the Bayou in a swamp. Yeah, the red dirt one
hundred k ian. My arithmetic issometimes faulty. I think a marathon is
about forty two k. Is thatabout Ryan? Yeah? Exactly fort yeah,
forty two k. So if youdid a one hundred k, I
(05:46):
think we're talking about fifty five milesfifty six something ridiculous? What sixty two?
Sixty two? See, I toldyou we got to get our European
conversion chart out. I wouldn't knowthat if I hadn't done it before.
And the race director off on herbut wasn't enough. We did about sixty
five miles actually, so what theymade the race longer? It was,
Yeah, we didn't know that untilwe were at sixty two. We figured
(06:10):
it out. A lot of thetrail races seem to be a little longer
just because it's hard. You know, you're on a trail, so you
kind of have to go with howthe trail length is and then you kind
of adapt to that. But don'twe have electronics that measure all this anyway,
I think it's more catered to somethingto do with one hundred mile,
like splitting up loops. Oh,that sort of thing. I don't know.
(06:30):
So how did this work out inthe swamps of Louisiana. So when
we originally signed up for the race, it was supposed to or we thought
it was going to be pine needles, like a lot of pine needle running,
and it turned out there was quitea bit of sand and then water
as well, so quicksand is shequicksand like those nightmares where you're running and
(06:56):
you're not going anywhere, like aLooney Tunes cartoon, less silly and no
music. Oh wow. And thenof course you get some sort of nasty
muck in your shoes on top ofit, yes, which weighs you down.
You don't get the good foot strike. All that goes sure crossings multiple
times up to our shins. Ofcourse, why not make it harder.
(07:18):
But we had no blisters at all. We have a friend Matthew Godo and
Jeremy Couch. They both told usmultiple times too. It sounds weird,
but lub your feet vasoline. I'vedone afore Yeah, and it actually worked
for the whole day. It feelsweird when you put your socks on,
but then you're like, what's goingon? But then once you run,
you realize, oh, everything's movingaround nicely. Is at the end?
(07:41):
I took my sock off and pouredout like a bag of sand pretty much
because it was awful. Yeah,I felt good while you were running too,
and all that sandy and paper.I heard you you placed pretty well
in the race though. Yeah,you know, we didn't really running in
a place you've never been before.You don't really know what to expect because
(08:01):
most of the people out there werelocals. So we just kind of said,
well, we're gonna it was David'sfirst hunder k. We're just going
to run to finish. That's ourgoal. But I think at one point
somebody at an aid station said,you know, there's only two people in
front of you all, and wewere like, oh really, So we
kind of knew at that point,like, well, we might actually end
up on the podium. So itwas kind of an exciting time. There
(08:22):
are medals to speak of, they'rebelieve it or not. It was during
Marty Gras week. There were gumbospoons like artisan hand carved. When we
first got handed them, they werelike, oh, a spatula. Amanda
explained after the shock, we're offtheir Facebook. What what did you call
them? Yeah, we were like, why are you handing us? Oh?
(08:43):
Because it was carved in there?Like second third, Yeah, you
guys are amazing. You're incredible.I appreciate your visiting. Again, Ian,
you were asking earlier before we goton about nutrition over these long stretches.
Yeah, we mentioned I did afifty mile walk a couple of years
ago. Well, I didn't quiteget to the one hundred thousand steps,
so my addictive personality needs me toget that on my fitbit now. So
(09:05):
I'm working up to one hundred thousandsteps in a day. The question is
how what kind of stuff do youguys eat when you're doing those long events,
because you can't just you know,eat regular normal stuff while you're working
that hard. Your body just doesn'thandle that. Yeah. Well, also
I will have you know, Ian, you know you just verbally committed two
(09:26):
hundred thousand steps. Oh, I'vebeen committed. Yeah, it's it's been
out on social media for a while, so don't worry about that. I've
been training the whole deal. Sofor me, I've tried and tested a
lot of things. We were lookingat the forecast, at least for me
kind of obsessively. In Louisiana,the humidity level a bit higher. Ye.
Yeah, so it directly impacts mygut. I can even ingest less.
(09:52):
So I had only a few things, and I actually forgot this is
crazy. There's a brand of gummybears called, I think Albanyze gummy Bears.
A. Yes, I'm very familiar. Yeah, don't get hard when
it's cold. They're easy to chewwhen you're running. I just by happenstance,
they had them at every single aidstation during Red Dirt Score. I
got so lucky and I would comethrough and they would be like, oh,
(10:13):
the gummy bear girl. So forme, gummy bears, I would
I would be popping them. It'skind of fun, keeps your mind busy.
But gummy bears and pringles people thattrain with me, No, I
don't know why. Maybe because they'rejust simple starches and sugar. My stomach
can usually always tolerate those. Justyou know, regular gatorade, pedialyte,
sport, nothing too expensive, prettysimple. You know, sometimes you don't
(10:37):
need to overthink it. Your body'slike, this is food. I can
digest this. Sometimes the fancy syntheticchemical stuff for me my bodies it just
sits on top and doesn't that.Yeah, and then you just get really
really tired, Yes, because you'renot getting the sugar. It's not breaking
down. Yes. Then you takea nap when you finish a long race
and then have a triple cheeseburger.That's how that works. Nothing wrong with
that, or pizza or whichever wayyou need to go. What were you
(11:00):
eating, David, I wasn't payingattention. I was pretty much eating anything.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure at onepoint you had a pancake. Yes,
and the Louisiana those are called crawdads. They had gumbo at the finish
line forloce too. It might havebeen a little warm for that at the
right at the end. Yeah,bourbon they were Yeah, they were ready.
They were excited, a little firegoing. Keep winning the running Wars.
(11:22):
Proud of you guys, Thank you, thank you. Tommy Wallace.
Good to see you again. Andthere is David Martin and Ian Vertrees.
We're back in the minute on newsradio waight forty wha s
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