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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're with news right away. Forty wh s. Terry miners here.
Vince Merrow has been referred to as big Dog in
his career. It's good to talk to you again, Vince.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How you doing, buddy Man? Just sitting up here. I
was on hold and I was just thinking about man
with Israel, praying for the people over there. Hope things
turn out good. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
That is obviously a very tough situation. And yeah, we'll
be monitoring that. I want to congratulate you on your
new job. I got to tell you, I'm a little
bit surprised. I know that you and Jeff brom been
buddies for a long time, but now you've taken on
the title executive director of Player Personnel and for the
University of Louisville. And you know, since you guys have
been good buddies a long time, have you talked about
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switching over or taking on this job for many years
or did this just come up?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
No, we talked about just getting together, you know, just
you know, he'd be good one day when we get
together and coach and work on the same staff. But
it was more in coaching, I think, and we started
seeing the dynamics of college football changing, and you know,
with my background. Uh, you know, some people say I'm
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a good recruiter. Some people some people say out I lost,
I'm not a good recruiter anymore. He's seen, you know,
he knew where this thing was going, and we you know,
we talked about it, and it was more this thing
just came about. Really when it became real was Prial
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
All right, let's address some of the criticism, because some
people say, I can I've lost my fastball whatever it is. Well,
there's some bitterness involved in that. I saw what you
tweeted a little while ago. You told UK fans, you wrote,
I never said anything bad about Lexington. It's one of
the best cities I've ever lived in, hands down. I
will miss the good people there. I know you well
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enough to know that's true. You you've got friends. You
don't want to give up your friends in Lexington. But
this is the job here in Louisville, and obviously you're
going to make new friends here.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, And that's the one thing I'm looking forward to,
you know, Terry. The main thing I think was being
lost in this is that my love for this state period,
and you know, I had a lot of opportunities to
leave the state the last couple of years, and it
just wasn't a good At the time. I was, you know,
I was still loyal to you know, the fans and
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administration and Mark stets at UK. But when this came about,
and I was really thinking about, you know, as if
we didn't change recruiting, and how you breaking it down
as it's going in an NFL move, when I really
never seen myself honestly leaving the UK. And I think
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you know me, Terry. You know, when we came down
for the basketball game, we went to dinner, you know,
I got a lot of It was a situation where
I looked and I said, man, Jeff, when Jeff came
to Louisville, I just sat in the back of my mind,
I said, I got a feeling one day I'm gonna
be working with Jeff and that's going to be a
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unique situation because I never thought I would leave. You can.
And so when somebody put out I don't even know,
they must have twisted the interview because people who know
me know that I wanted to say I was going
to keep my home, keep my house in Lexington for
the rest of my life to I die. I actually
told my wife, I was like, back then when we
were dating, I said, Hey, if I die, I want
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to be buried and I want to be Don't take
me the Youngstown, don't take me the Columbus. That's where
I want to because my heart is here. It's for
the whole state though. And now just embarking on a
new family in a new area of the state of Kentucky,
which I must say, looking at homes the last few days,
just the last couple of days, I mean, Louisville is
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a very beautiful place. Man. I didn't know that, and
I mean I just started to see this, and so
I'm very excited, man. But yes, was I was. I was.
I When you look at it, it's like leaving a
family you've been with them for thirteen years. And I
was like, leave, you know, this family, But I'm going
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to another family down down there, you know, right down
the road. So it was bitter, but I'm very excited
to be at Louisville now. I can't wait, and I'm
very looking forward to what we're going to do.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know this season and next know you have love
of the game. I know you well enough to know
how much you love the game and how and you
are right, it's the it's reshaped the way all this
stuff is being done with players and you know the
power they have, the economic potential they have. So is
that essentially your job is to is to manage the
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way and they are transactions go.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now, Yeah, it was. I think that's the way. You know,
that's new UK, I mean the new level of the
way college football going, and so uh, Jeff felt that
I was. I guess I was the perfect guy for that,
Like I said we before. But you know, when you
look at the way college football is going, I mean,
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Terry is going like the NFL, there's no way around it.
And you got to evaluate and you gotta do background
checks on these guys, especially in the portal, because bringing
people into your your program that you know nothing about
and and that we're getting a guy that's coming from
another power file, I don't know they call a power
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forward down school and you know nothing about them and
you have no history with them. I think that's that's
a that's a it's a fifty to fifty shot. And
so you know, we're gonna do a great job me Jeff,
keeping up a lot of guys, we just gonna do
our homework. But make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I was, I'm here because I know how to recruit
the best players in the country. And I felt, you know,
my words got taken out when I said taking out
of contact, when I said a Kentucky I was saying,
in the beginning, out of signing four star guys, Mark,
we're coming off for two or ten season, our offense
wasn't that good. And so now you let me be
with a guy who I think is one of the
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best offensive minds in college football. That is easy to
recruit too. I mean I was recruiting, like I said,
where you know, I was still sign of four star
receivers and weren't even And so now you've got a
guy who's a really great offensive mine, a really good
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college coach, and that that's that's I mean, going out
to recruit on that, that's that's priceless.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
How tough was it for you to break up with
Mark Stewkes?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
What was that? So so this is the misconception because
you probably heard stuff people saying like did me and
Mark fall out? No, we we would never fall away
from Youngstown. We've been knowing each other for a long time.
Do relationships his strange? You know that happens in marriages
when people don't talk to them. Also, years go behind. Man,
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it's like, hey, you want to you want to separate
and go the other way? Uh. It was a really
At first, it was a tough conversation because it was emotional.
You know, we two tough guys, but you know we've
been known each other for a long time and we
love each other. But as we got through it, it
was like, man, football, it's gonna be here for whether
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it's five years, six years, seven years, Our life as
long off long long friends will be here forever. That's
and that's that's how I look at it. But there
there wasn't like did we like fall out? I just
think a little bit because you know, me and him, ike,
we don't. We don't. We very blue collar guys and
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we kind of like the man who don't talk to
his wife, and you just assume that next thing. You know, hey,
it's a problem. But if we would have talked shit
the first twenty days, none of this stuff, people would
understood why I was feeling this way, and he understood
why I wanted to go work with Jeff. When I
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when I broke it down to him, I was just like, Hey,
this this is changing, this is a this is a
great opportunity. I'm going to work for another friend. And
I really believe this is new college football. And I
just think Jeff really got ahead of this and I'm
excited to go work with him. But yeah, it was
very hard. It was very hard. You know, you know
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something about we was there and we were to dinner
that I had the ruse you know who I'm talking about.
That was a hard conversation. Yeah, because I really loved
them they I mean, I'm not like it pasted it.
I know they loved me, and I know they're really
good friends. And you know, when I broke it down
and then when we talked, I just said, you know,
this is in my heart, this is what I want
to do, you know, and you know, hey, sometimes you
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got to go, you know, you sometimes you got to go.
You know, you got to go after I mean, we
were together thirteen years, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
When we were in that restaurant that night, and I'm
going to go ahead reference because I have talked with
her about it. Kelly Kraft, we you're like a rock
star and there were red and blue people who were
cheering for you because you're you. When you walk through
the crowd, people get, you know, pretty excited about it.
So you're going to have that same sort of status
with Louisville. It's just going to be Obviously, the love
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for Kentucky for the fan base is intense, and so
people feel a little burned right now, but they'll get
refocused on the game. Coach Stoops, I thought, put out
an eloquent statement saying farewell to you, and he wished
you well. But and he did make a little slam
at the SEC conference, not being you know, because he's
He says we're in the toughest conference. So I don't
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think anybody argues with that. But you still got your
work cut out for you here at Louisville. They obviously
had a huge win over Clemson last year. The momentum
seems to be in Louisville's direction. You got Isaac Brown,
you got Duke Watson, you got all kinds of really
talented guys, Miller Moss, there's a lot of asst that's
for Louisville going forward, where people feel really good about
this upcoming season. So how do you see it in
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your preliminary look at that schedule ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Hey, Terry, that's why just what you just said, that's
why I'm here. It's a lot of reasons. Like even
if if Jeff says they wasn't going to have what
you just said, I was coming here in this position
to help a friend, just like I did when I
came to Kentucky to help Mark. Now. You know, people
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take shots and I say, what do I look at that?
That's why I said, I really feel we can win
the national championship because all you do is get in
the playoffs, and I mean, anything can happen. And I
go back to when Jeff was at Purdue and they
came in here and they beat Ohio State, who was
the number one team in the country at that time.
And we all know Ohio State has an NFL roster,
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and you know, I don't know, Jeff might have had
about two or three pro guys on it. Oh, he's
a really good coach. He's a really good coach. No.
I if I think if you was to talk to Jeff,
and I know you know Jeff very well, is like,
this is what we're thinking on this move, and it's
gonna take hard work. We got talent, but you gotta
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you know, I tell people everybody, you know, it's always
still gonna come down. That's always been my model. It's
always gonna come down to Jimmy's and Joel's. Yep, you
gotta have the horses to go, like Mark is right SCC.
But I know one thing I know about one thing
I know about Jeff Brown. I know some SEC teams
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he wanted to play, and I know, uh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, they didn't want any of it. I know that too.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I'll say, and I'll say being an SEC guy
coming here, that is a really really strong conference. But
I also know there's a lot of people don't want
to play Louisville. I know that too.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're right, and and you used to turn that's exactly
the perfect description for not only Jeff Brown, but his brothers,
you know, the family. Yeah, the whole family. They just
they go at it hardcore and that it's a football family.
And I think that you were swimming in the circle
you need with these uh these folks with this sort
of attitude at Louisville. They're perfectly of yours that I
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know so well mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, and that's and you know. That's the other thing.
I don't know. This was I was, I was speaking
at the luncheon and at the golf course two years ago,
and we just you know, we have beat you know
we we when the other guy was here, we draped. Yeah,
we beat to beat Louisville. And people seem to think
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it was more I had some at that staff because
that one day I will talk about that. That's what
that kind of made my not not dislike towards Louisville,
but more them because there was over a recruit. You know,
they was we we we were beating them real bad,
and they try to save some stuff and it came
out that they was lying, which I was telling people
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they were, and so when but when I was speaking,
I think Cutter Bowley had just won mister Football and
I didn't even know mister coach Brahm was in the
state of their dad and I said, you know, they
had just hired Jeff. He was hearing rumors and I
was like, I gotta roll up my sleeves now because
it was easy to recruit the state of Kentucky with
that other staff.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But when Jeff, I knew Jeff was coming, I said that,
we know we let the rule up our sleeves and
really go go to work now because I know he
Jeff family is like my family, like the Stut's family.
That just what you said. We boys got some girls
had strong parents and they were all blue collar and
just worked hard. That's why. That's why you know, I
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related to Mark Steut's a lot, you know, growing up,
because our families were they were the same. His dad
was a guy that I feared like my dad. I mean,
Missus Stewts's was really a blue collar guy and he
realized but he lived by example. And I think, uh,
mister Bram is like that. Matter of fact, I love
Coach Bro. I still call him coach. Well.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
The brom brand is strong everywhere, so I know you
can go and recruit anywhere you can. And I'm excited
about what's ahead for you events and you know, we're
glad you're here. And you know people don't they'll get
more focused on games. You're right about that, and we're
gonna keep seeing funny pictures of you in years past
with the l's down. We don't care. We're glad to
have you here.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
All right. I really I'm gonna tell you. So I'm
up in Columbus High right, yeah, and this is crazy.
I got out of town because soon of the news broke.
I was like, man, So I came up and see
my daughters hung out with them, and I'm in the
hotel and I walked I'm walking in and got going.
Al He said, Al was up and I was like, whoa.
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He was a pretty big guy, and he said, coach came.
He said, can I get a picture of you? So
we took a picture, and I didn't know. It's a
big convention going around the whole state of Kentucky. So
you got a lot of Kentucky people here and a
lot of Louisville people here. I end up taking them over.
I'm not lying. I end up taking over about fifteen
to twenty pictures. And the one thing that touched my
heart when I came back from dinner with my daughters.
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I came in and my daughter walked in with me,
and and there were Kentucky people, Kentucky fans told my daughter, look,
we love your dad. You know, of course we don't
want to go to Louisville, but he has done so
much for us. I can't really just not dislike this guy.
So you know, I took pictures with them, and that's
just that's just what it is. I expect to be.
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You know, it's gonna be like that. It's like that
with a house state mischief. But like I told another, reporters,
tell the truth. Don't be creating no assumptions that I
said this and I said that because one thing you
know about me, Terry, I don't hide what I say.
If I say, I'm saying, and so I just you know,
I'm just happy to be, you know, at Louisville, and
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you know, they they've been the coaching staff and reaching
out and it's just been and I'm excited to get
to work.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You're going to enjoy the ride here. L's up, my friend.
I'm glad to have you here. It's just sports, so
you know, you know, enjoy and like I said, Lloydvill's
got a lot of assets here beyond just sports. So
you're going to enjoy life here and people are going
to embrace you in ways I think you'll be shocked.
We're glad to have you.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Thank you, buddy. And I know we get dinner so
when I get settled.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
In, yeah, we'll do that. We'll do that in the
next couple of weeks. Take care, Vince, thanks so much.
Happy Hey, Happy Fathers Day. Enjoy it with your daughters. Yes, sir,
Thank you, buddy. There you go, Vince Merrow. He is
a new coach at the University of Louisville. He took
on the official title Executive Director of Player Personnelly and
he'll be here at work pretty soon for Jeff Brom
and the Brom Squad. News on the way