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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Secret age and man bad Tony Vinnity secret age. Man,
do you have a sister? If you do? Timmy, what's
a name? Let's bringing in the Sneaking Deacon. He was
secret Service now he's Sacred Service. He also does vulnerability assessments.
(00:21):
What's that? Vulnerability assessments along with active shooter active shooter responses,
suggestions for companies, businesses, offices, factories, warehouses. He's helped out
many schools, many churches.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And let's bring him in right now and talk about
the events from sunday, not only in Louisville, but also
in Lexington as well. As we go to the Sneaking Deacon. Hey, Greg,
get your how you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hey Dwight, how you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm doing pretty good. Venetti's left the show, so I'm
doing great. Now it's just me and John Alden. That's
always a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I want to get here is for a second though,
you do vulnerability assessments and active shooter responses, and unfortunately
it's getting more and more critical to pay attention and
to hire people like you, companies like your company, or
whatever it might be, to find out best practices. I
know the radio station has because it's twenty twenty five.
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And here's what I found interesting, Greg Getcher from Sunday. Now,
we did have a real live active shooter in Lexington, Kentucky.
We're gonna cover that. But here in Louisville, Kentucky Sunday,
it was a ceiling toil fell down, hit a metal chair, bam,
causes a noise, and at the same time a woman
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has a health event, and so people do the math.
Hang on, my phone's going off. At the same time,
people do the math two plus two equals active shooter
number one. That's just the world that we're in. But
what our best practices like if you're in Let's let's
take for example, Louisville. What happened Sunday. There were people heard,
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and the reason people were hurt is because fight or
flight kicked in. This is just my assessment. Fight or
flight kicked in and everybody was Mimi, Mimi, protect me.
What our best practices And I'm not saying any anything
wrong with that, What our best practices If you're in
a crowd and something like this, a scare false or
not happens, what should you do?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, that's a very general question, but what I've taught
for like twenty years. You know, the basic run high,
fight in that order, you know, if possible. The running
is you don't want to trample people obviously, if you certainly,
if you have loved ones with your children, you want
to carry them and not get caught up in the crowd.
You remember, a couple of years ago, to stay fair,
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somebody sounded a recording of gunshots. Yes, you remember that absolutely, Yeah,
and people, well, you know, they understandably, they're scared and
they run. But you just can't obviously just run over people.
So we always caution against that. But you know, you know,
I've been to police chaplain now for over fifteen years,
so I do respond to a lot of these situations,
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including the horrible bank situation a couple of years ago,
and you know, and seeing that scene, you know, it
just made me think, if there's anything I can teach
people that could maybe avoid some of that tragedy. That's
what I like to do with my vulnerability assessments, and
I make suggestions for schools and churches and businesses of
you know, gosh, you know, God forbid you hear gunshots?
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What do you do? You know? So if you could
prepare yourself ahead of time. A little bit you could
save yours in someone else's life.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, so go through the criteria again. It was uh,
and I've already forgot it. Run something, run, hide, fight, right,
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That's why I like it. It's so simple, dight. There's
other ones out with five or six letters. You got
to memorize, and you can't memorizing a tense situation when
your panic is sitting in. So basically, if you can run, run,
if you can't run, you hide, and if you have to,
you fight for your life and you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Fight like hell, right, I mean, there's no rules you've
got to commit one hundred, especially in active shooter situation
because chances are and maybe I'm wrong on this, you
tell me odds are you.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Remember?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Go ahead, go ahead? I was just going to.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Say, remember.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Now you go.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You remember our friend Emery who was forces, Yes, and
you know, and he taught and I teach his classes too.
You know, there's no such thing as a fair fight.
It's thirty fighting or some hot coffee in the face.
You know, you know, hit somebody with a picture or
fire extings or whatever. But you know, in these situations
when you're in public, you know, when you first get there, Dwight,
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you should always know where the doors are. You should
always know where the exits are, you know, and be
aware of that situation because if there is a gunshot
or explosion or the lights go out, you know, at
least you already have an idea of how to get out.
You know, there's a terrible rest bar shooting in California
where everyone that got shot tried to go out the
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front door. They came in. The ones that survived went
out the kitchen door. See what I'm saying. So that
having that situational awareness of something bad happens, that this
kid's ball game or inside the gym or whatever volleyball,
you know, you have an idea where to go.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Uh yeah, okay, So let's talk about the hide part
for a minute, then we'll move on to the fight
like hell part. There's a documentary out there. It's called
The Egos of Death mental and I'm going to crucify
this because it's in France naos amus and I'm sure
that's the wrong pronunciation, but it means our friends. And
they tell the story how they're on stage when some
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Muslim terrorists enter enter the concert and just start shooting
people at random. They leave the stage, they start hiding
in the bathroom. Some hit in the bathroom, some hit
other places. But it's really chilling because they talk about
these terrorists coming up and trying to get in to
the bathroom that they head locked, walking away, shooting more people,
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and then coming back trying again. Should you look for
someplace to hide that has an extra exit? I mean,
or at that point use exit? Right? What should you
look for when you're hiding shelter? Because I do know
it's tougher to take a bunker, but not if they're unarmed.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, And you know, like I said, you know by
going in ahead of time and thinking in their school
or your office building or your factory. Where are the
places that you can hide if you can't get to it?
This is if you cannot get to an exit, Okay,
where can you go? Is it a locked bathroom, a storeroom?
Is it you know? Places where mothers do you know
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their breastfeeding or whatever the case may be. We want
you to think about that in advance so you have
a chance to get there. That's the main thing. And
as far as fighting, you just use you hopefully you
get a group of people if you're together, and you
fight if you have to. You know, I did want
to talk about the church shooting. You know, I want
to add my prayers. I want to add my prayers
to the victim and the trooper you know that got shot.
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But you know, in churches are difficult, like because you
want to be welcoming at your church, right, but you
also but you also you owe it to your people
there that attend church to be as safe as possible.
So that I work with the churches to to you know,
develop these safety and security teams, which is both medical
and security. And you know, some of the big churches
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they have their own trained team and they go through
drills and all that. Many other churches just rely on volunteers.
And I suggest to have either active or retired law
enforcement or active or retired first responders and military because
those are the people that are in church and that
they could respond to a difficult situation. So what's a
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fine line to cross? The pastor has to be involved
in what he wants, he wants.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I've got to go back to the hiding aspect because
this is where we were stumbling over each other. The
question I was going to ask, is it's a run, hide, fight?
Those are your three best measures in a predicament like this.
When it comes to fight, you fight, like hell, am
I under Am I wrong in the assumption that if
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there's an active shooter, they're going to try to take
out as many people as they can, so more than
likely if you don't fight, you're a goner. Anyway? Is
that a safe assumption in most cases? You think or not?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think it's a common sense approach. I mean, think
about it, right, if somebody has made the decision to
take a weapon into a business or school or church
and start shooting people, you know, I don't think begging
is going to get you much in my opinion, you know.
So that's why you know, and people say, well, should
we be able to bring guns to church? Well, once again,
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that's kind of the pastor's call. But you know, there's
a lot of you know, people that probably do carry
concealed weapons when you know, we used to. I used
to be a firearms carried concealed instructor and I was
a Secret Service farms instructor. So you know, you know,
I've trained a lot of people. But if they decide
to carry the weapon. It's up to them, and you
know they're acting alone, not as a church security team.
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But I suggest where they sit in church, you know,
the back corners where they could see everything if something
does transpire. But you want you want the first responders
in there, you know, because they can respond to Most
of the situations are medical, but in horrible situations, it
could be an active shooter or agressor.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay, And for example, for ten years now at least
I've carried my walth or nine millimeters with me to
church every Sunday when I go. I'd rather have and
not need than need not have when it becomes to
me and my wife. But let's break down a scenario
real quick. And a church setting might not be the
best because, uh, it would be smaller. But if you're
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a situation, for example, where's a lot of mass hysteria
going on and you are a concealed, carried, permitted citizen,
is it risky for you to pull your firearm? I
know it's risky at fire but when the police come
and they're on the scene, is it risky for you
to have that firearm out because they don't know who's
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who at that point.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, And I've responded to numerous situations man with the
gun or woman with the gun, and you don't know
who's the good person or the bad person in those scenarios.
So yeah, it certainly is risky. But you know, we
don't want shootouts in churches with all the people around,
you know. I think it's important that, like I said,
the pastor or whoever has a microphone tells people to
exit quickly or to get down on the floor, whichever
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is the appropriate command. You know, and you know, if
you have to take a life to save a life,
that's a decision that you have to make. Know that
the minute you pull that gun out, and of course
you don't need carry concealed licenses anymore in state of Kentucky,
but the moment you pull that gun out and wave
it around, you know your you're subject to either criminal
civil you know, penalties. You know, obviously you're going to
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save a life, that's a different situation. But you know,
but if it, if it's in that that you have
to make that decision, then then you try to make
it the best way you can. And I encourage people
to know their weapons, to train with them absolutely and
understand whether you know here's the bottom line, Dwight. Wherever
that bullet goes, despite your best intention, you're responsible for.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It, and your life is subject to change. And you know,
there's an old saying, I'd rather be judged by twelve
than carried by six, meaning I'd rather go to trial
than have six pallbearers. Let's go ahead and shift gears
for a second, because I want to talk about your book,
uh Sneaking Deacon from Sacred Service, From Secret Service to
Sacred Service, because it really is a good book because
(11:53):
you you were in secret service for many years, you
were Jefferson Jefferson Jefferson County Police before that, and there's
so many interesting stories in that and it's a great book,
but it also goes for a great, great cause. Can
you talk about how to get that book and who
had benefits and what the book's about.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, real quick, it's just stories from being a police
officer here in Louisville and for six years in uniform
and the Dixie Highway, Keen Run Road, I'll Gonpin Parkway area,
and then six years as Mayor Fisher's, first as a
bodyguard for him and then traveling the sixties countries around
the world, and all the situations we got into, some funny,
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some you know, tense, and I did it. The second
page of the book says that there, you know, all
the proceeds are going to Kids Cancer Alliance, which is
my favorite charity I've been with for twenty five years.
So you know, it's for a good college. And get
it on my Facebook page or my sneakindeacon dot com.
And Butler Books. Carol Butler is my publisher here from Louisville,
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and she has it so it helps, and h you know,
I'm glad to do that. I appreciate you saying it.
But you know, just share some stories, is all it is.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's a really good book, and there's some really there's
some tense stories. There's some comical theos stories, and there's
some stories. Go, I wonder who he's talking about. But
let's loo get let's get back to the shooting and
vulnerability assessments and all that. Let's say that there is
a church, Let's say that there's a private school or
a business, anybody that has people coming in and out
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that might want a vulnerability assessment or just to train
their staff on responses for mass shootings. How can they
contact you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, the same thing to my Facebook page. You know,
Gregory Getscher or Sneak and Deacon and I'd be happy
to get back to them. I work with the ushers
because the usher is the first person that might observe
something that looks unusual and if they communicate with themselves
or they could you know, maybe have a police officer
star that way. You know, like I said, we want
to be welcoming, we won't don't want to be judgmental,
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but if someone doesn't look quite right, we want them
to be able to respond and you know, and direct
the police or the ambulance there if they need so.
So you know, it's just I just try to help out.
I make suggestions. You know, every situation is different. Some
churches are set up differently and different people coming and
going and stuff. But yeah, I just try to make
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suggestions to them. That's what I did as a Secret
Service agent. I did mostly I did advances all over
the world, so we would prepare for the presidents or
whoever we're protecting his arrival for the week or so
in advance. So that's kind of what I'm using. That
knowledge the government taught me to share with you know,
our local businesses and schools and churches.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
One last question what to be respectful your time, grateful
for it. By the way, I got to ask you,
is this the new normal? Because I don't see us
ever going back to this not being a fear.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I just think we have to, you know, just have
to look at the news every day and realize that,
you know the situation. Situational awareness is very important. When
you're leaving your house, you're leaving your office or your
school driving, you know, you should be aware of what's
going on around you. You know, somebody following you, somebody
near you in the parking lot, you know, next to
your car, and you don't want to open up all
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the doors at once, you know, all that kind of stuff.
And I go into that when I teach my classes too,
just to have more awareness because you know, times are
getting a little crazier and you know the old saying,
we don't live in Mayberry anymore, so we have to
lock our houses and the cars and be very careful.
And there are a lot of guns, like Tony said,
a lot of guns around. But if you choose to,
you know, get one or carry one, make sure you
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know how to use it. In appropriate legal manner.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Absolutely. One more thing I'll leave you with. I always
tell my wife, no matter what, when she's leaving the house,
go to grosser wherever it might be. Hey, do me
a favor and don't be on your phone when you're
walking to your car. Be aware of your surroundings and
anytime that you're vulnerable. If you're in the car and
it's locked, that's one thing. But be aware. I think
you got to be aware of every surrounding now, Greg
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in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's good advice. It's good advice. It doesn't cost you anything,
it doesn't hurt anything, and just you know, make you
more aware and not be having your attention you know,
diverted onto your phone or something else.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He's the sneaking Deacon. From Secret Service to Sacred Service
is the book, and it goes to a great cost. Hey, Greg,
get your Thank you so much for the time, man.
I hope to see you soon. It's been a while,
all right, Dwight.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I appreciate that. I think it's a good summer read
for vacations or sitting around the pool. A lot of
people seem to really like it, so thank you for
mentioning it.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh absolutely, I will see you down the road to me.
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Speaker 3 (17:52):
I'm excited lose.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Rady eight forty eight whas got it right, didn't have
it until the police synchronicity came out. Hey, I want
to say thank you to Jim Maddingly. Jim Maddingly, he's
listening to us. Hey, got the guys on. Uh, hanging
on cut the grass also BA double thank you, uh,
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double thank you. Hang on to Amy Dawson Ham. Uh,
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always hamming it up.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Some chocolatey treats sound pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's a box of them. To take that, John Auden. Uh, Well,
I've never understand why people buy stuff like this, because
I can only imagine it's going to go for a
king's ransom. Maybe maybe not here's why I'm talking about. Uh,
Tony Hawk's skateboard is hitting one of his skateboards is
(19:08):
hitting the auction blocks. Uh, it's an Here's here's the
skateboarding question. It's the nineteen ninety nine X Games where
Tony Hawk shocked the skateboarding universe merp by pulling off
the first nine hundred. So I know, let's see a
nine hundred. Let's see a three sixties once around. It's right,
(19:29):
you know, two is three times two. That's a seven
to twenty. That's right times? Okay, three? So is it
three times around?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So three times would be a nine to eighty. I
think right, Hold on, no, it would be a ten eighty.
Excuse me. So it's it's like almost a three. It's
almost three spins. It's like, is it three and a half?
I guess yeah, because that's so seven to twenty. It's
two plus one eighty, which is a half turn. Look, go,
let's do him some math on the radio.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Look at that.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That'd be nine hundred degrees. It's two and a half turns.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I like it when people, when you have a conversation
and go hey man, hey, Tina, you look really great.
What happened, and she'll say, well, you know, I really
did a three sixty and turned my life around. You mean,
and I'm be done this guy in the room, you
mean what eighty? No, no, a three sixty. I turned
it all the way around.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You're also the only guy in the room right now.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I am the only guy in the room. So anyway,
So Tony Tony Hawk's skateboard, it's the one question he
did the first ever nine hundred in competition. Now, the
board that Tony Hawk was riding when he pulled that
move up is going to go on the auction block.
It's featuring one hundred artifacts from all skate culture. It's
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going to go live on September twenty third. Some people
have more money, they can do this. If you remember
Nicholas Cage, I think didn't he almost go broke loose.
He was buying stupid stuff, like, hey.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
He bought that haunted house down in New Orleans, didn't he?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And he also bought like a Toronto source wrecks skull,
you know, and he said, hey, I want to put
this Toronto source wreck skull as on my giant dinner
table or whatever, the centerpiece. But I think he almost
went broke buying crap like this.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Nick Cage is a weirdo. Have you seen I haven't
seen the new movies in called like Legs or something
where he's like this, this villain. I don't know what
exactly it's about. I've read the synopsis. Has been a while,
but it's kind of creepy or it seems creepy.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
He seems like he'd be uh, maybe intense or odd
to be around.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, I can't imagine what an interview with him would
be like.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I can't either. Well, salad stealing is the new let's
not get dirty with this. Salad stealing is the new
dating technique in New York City. I didn't understand it
to I read the article and here's what it breaks
down to. It seems like in New York City it's
getting so rough for women in the dating world that
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what they're doing is they're stealing salads that other men ordered.
But it's in depth. Listen to this so you know
and do the Oh. It seems to me like they
may gave you my salad and you got mine or
what you know what I mean, Here's that's what they're doing, though.
They search out men on LinkedIn that may or may
not go to the same restaurants.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That they go to.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So LinkedIn's become a dating app.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Now, well, I guess they. I guess that maybe, and
I don't know this speculating. They see what the guy
does for the living. Is he good looking and does
he have a secure job? Is this a guy dating material?
And then they'll show up to where he goes for
lunch or whatnot, and they'll take his salad on purpose
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when they call his name, and then do the old
you know, romantic comedy. H it seems maybe that you
got my s out and I got yours.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
The woman that the article is about that brought this
up that a lot of women are doing in New
York City. She said, guys just don't come up to
them and buy him a drink in a bar anymore
like normal dudes. I got to think that's the women's fault. Man.
I've said many times on here, I could not date
in twenty twenty five. Thank god I'm married. I wouldn't
be able to date because you know what, I know,
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what you could say, what you can't say.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, So whenever I met my wife before she was
my wife, that was believe it or not. Over ten
years ago. Now, I slid into her DMS on the
lovely Twitter sphere, which is, I guess, the new way
to do things, not necessarily on Twitter. But I didn't
really know how she would respond, but she thought you
didn't think it was creepy at all. I feel like
you if you were, if you were in the dating
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realm today, mister Dwight Wynnen, would you be comfortable doing
the old sliding into the DMS.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I don't think I would.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, I don't see.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's two different worlds. It's apples and bowling balls now,
John Alden, Because when when I was dating, you go
out to a club or wear a bar, whatever it
might be, and then you wing it and you go
up for me because I'm not the most attractive guy
and don't have the best physique. So I would try
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to be funny and that was my angle, you know
what I mean, try to be funny and it worked,
but you had to be face to face with me.
You had to pitch yourself.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Nowadays, I mean, everything's digital and I feel like if
I number one, ok, number one, let's get one thing
cleared up. If I went to a bar right now,
it has a single scene. The first thing I think
of myself is when I walk through that door, is God,
you're the creepy old guy. Everyone here staring at you.
So number one is uncomfortable, But number two, I wouldn't
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know what you could say and what you can't say
to a woman. For example, my mother always used the
term with others sweetheart, thank you, sweetheart, thank you, honey.
It was always terms of endearment, whether it's someone to
check out someone at Tony's break in alignement, whatever it
might be. And at some point when she's doing this
in my life, I said, well, I'm way too young
to call anybody sweetheart or honey, you know what I mean.
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But now I'm old enough where I can. But it's
not appropriate, or at least I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, I was never one to really hang out at
the bars, so I've never been a really big drinker.
Now maybe whenever you're in college that makes you lame.
I think that's helped me out in the the mid
to late twenties part of my life. But if I
was somebody who would have been going out to the bars,
I probably would have been a pretty awkward dude. In
the uh, you know, the age that you're in college
and doing that sort of thing. Uh, But who knows,
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maybe I would have figured it out.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I just don't know if dating side is that now
you're married, so you're not you're not the demographic. But
I do feel for guys in their twenties. How do
you get a date without getting smacked?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Or you know, it's all I have to if you're
not fishing off what do you call it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Fishing off the company?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
You're not fishing either fishing off the company doc.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Or dipping your ink in the company or or.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Or you're doing the digital dating apps. I think it's
one of those two things.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right. But so you met your wife by slotted in
going hey, why don't we go see Did you say
something stupid like, hey, let's rent all of the Star
Wars movies and watch them consecutively. No, you didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I don't remember exactly what I had a Star Wars
hangle on, but I do remember that our first date
was to see American Sniper. And every time I told
the people that, they're like, oh my god, it's an
intense movie to go safe for a first date. But
it was a good time. We also went to Fazzoli's
kind of also an interesting place to go on a
first date. But I mean, I mean, we're married now
and have a baby. Seems to have worked out for us.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So the rule of dating is you do whatever they
want and you have fun until you lock them in.
Then it stops. So I ain't going to the movies,
but I did take a girl on a date to
the movies. I said, Jaws fascinates me. It came out
in nineteen seventy five. My uncle takes me. He scars
me for life. I'm seven years old. So I like
shark movies. And there was a there was a sharp
(26:41):
movie called Open Water. And in Open Water they go
out on this dive trip. They might have been on
their honeymoon somehow or another. The diving charter leaves them
out in the middle the ocean. Okay, so most of
the movie is just a husband and wife newlyweds or
(27:01):
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mill the ocean, trying to survive nightfalls, you know, and
at the end they just die. Is the most depressing day.
So at the end of the day, we just kind
of hung our heads, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It is a very depressive way to go. That's asive
way to go.
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Secret age and man bad Tony Vinnity secret age. Man,
do you have a sister? If you do? Timmy, what's
a name? Let's bringing in the Sneaking Deacon. He was
secret Service now he's Sacred Service. He also does vulnerability assessments.
(00:21):
What's that? Vulnerability assessments along with active shooter active shooter responses,
suggestions for companies, businesses, offices, factories, warehouses. He's helped out
many schools, many churches.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And let's bring him in right now and talk about
the events from sunday, not only in Louisville, but also
in Lexington as well. As we go to the Sneaking Deacon. Hey, Greg,
get your how you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hey Dwight, how you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm doing pretty good. Venetti's left the show, so I'm
doing great. Now it's just me and John Alden. That's
always a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I want to get here is for a second though,
you do vulnerability assessments and active shooter responses, and unfortunately
it's getting more and more critical to pay attention and
to hire people like you, companies like your company, or
whatever it might be, to find out best practices. I
know the radio station has because it's twenty twenty five.
(01:24):
And here's what I found interesting, Greg Getcher from Sunday. Now,
we did have a real live active shooter in Lexington, Kentucky.
We're gonna cover that. But here in Louisville, Kentucky Sunday,
it was a ceiling toil fell down, hit a metal chair, bam,
causes a noise, and at the same time a woman
(01:45):
has a health event, and so people do the math.
Hang on, my phone's going off. At the same time,
people do the math two plus two equals active shooter
number one. That's just the world that we're in. But
what our best practices like if you're in Let's let's
take for example, Louisville. What happened Sunday. There were people heard,
(02:10):
and the reason people were hurt is because fight or
flight kicked in. This is just my assessment. Fight or
flight kicked in and everybody was Mimi, Mimi, protect me.
What our best practices And I'm not saying any anything
wrong with that, What our best practices If you're in
a crowd and something like this, a scare false or
not happens, what should you do?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, that's a very general question, but what I've taught
for like twenty years. You know, the basic run high,
fight in that order, you know, if possible. The running
is you don't want to trample people obviously, if you certainly,
if you have loved ones with your children, you want
to carry them and not get caught up in the crowd.
You remember, a couple of years ago, to stay fair,
(02:54):
somebody sounded a recording of gunshots. Yes, you remember that absolutely, Yeah,
and people, well, you know, they understandably, they're scared and
they run. But you just can't obviously just run over people.
So we always caution against that. But you know, you know,
I've been to police chaplain now for over fifteen years,
so I do respond to a lot of these situations,
(03:16):
including the horrible bank situation a couple of years ago,
and you know, and seeing that scene, you know, it
just made me think, if there's anything I can teach
people that could maybe avoid some of that tragedy. That's
what I like to do with my vulnerability assessments, and
I make suggestions for schools and churches and businesses of
you know, gosh, you know, God forbid you hear gunshots?
(03:36):
What do you do? You know? So if you could
prepare yourself ahead of time. A little bit you could
save yours in someone else's life.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, so go through the criteria again. It was uh,
and I've already forgot it. Run something, run, hide, fight, right,
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That's why I like it. It's so simple, dight. There's
other ones out with five or six letters. You got
to memorize, and you can't memorizing a tense situation when
your panic is sitting in. So basically, if you can run, run,
if you can't run, you hide, and if you have to,
you fight for your life and you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Fight like hell, right, I mean, there's no rules you've
got to commit one hundred, especially in active shooter situation
because chances are and maybe I'm wrong on this, you
tell me odds are you.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Remember?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Go ahead, go ahead? I was just going to.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Say, remember.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Now you go.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You remember our friend Emery who was forces, Yes, and
you know, and he taught and I teach his classes too.
You know, there's no such thing as a fair fight.
It's thirty fighting or some hot coffee in the face.
You know, you know, hit somebody with a picture or
fire extings or whatever. But you know, in these situations
when you're in public, you know, when you first get there, Dwight,
(04:58):
you should always know where the doors are. You should
always know where the exits are, you know, and be
aware of that situation because if there is a gunshot
or explosion or the lights go out, you know, at
least you already have an idea of how to get out.
You know, there's a terrible rest bar shooting in California
where everyone that got shot tried to go out the
(05:19):
front door. They came in. The ones that survived went
out the kitchen door. See what I'm saying. So that
having that situational awareness of something bad happens, that this
kid's ball game or inside the gym or whatever volleyball,
you know, you have an idea where to go.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Uh yeah, okay, So let's talk about the hide part
for a minute, then we'll move on to the fight
like hell part. There's a documentary out there. It's called
The Egos of Death mental and I'm going to crucify
this because it's in France naos amus and I'm sure
that's the wrong pronunciation, but it means our friends. And
they tell the story how they're on stage when some
(05:56):
Muslim terrorists enter enter the concert and just start shooting
people at random. They leave the stage, they start hiding
in the bathroom. Some hit in the bathroom, some hit
other places. But it's really chilling because they talk about
these terrorists coming up and trying to get in to
the bathroom that they head locked, walking away, shooting more people,
(06:17):
and then coming back trying again. Should you look for
someplace to hide that has an extra exit? I mean,
or at that point use exit? Right? What should you
look for when you're hiding shelter? Because I do know
it's tougher to take a bunker, but not if they're unarmed.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, And you know, like I said, you know by
going in ahead of time and thinking in their school
or your office building or your factory. Where are the
places that you can hide if you can't get to it?
This is if you cannot get to an exit, Okay,
where can you go? Is it a locked bathroom, a storeroom?
Is it you know? Places where mothers do you know
(06:55):
their breastfeeding or whatever the case may be. We want
you to think about that in advance so you have
a chance to get there. That's the main thing. And
as far as fighting, you just use you hopefully you
get a group of people if you're together, and you
fight if you have to. You know, I did want
to talk about the church shooting. You know, I want
to add my prayers. I want to add my prayers
to the victim and the trooper you know that got shot.
(07:17):
But you know, in churches are difficult, like because you
want to be welcoming at your church, right, but you
also but you also you owe it to your people
there that attend church to be as safe as possible.
So that I work with the churches to to you know,
develop these safety and security teams, which is both medical
and security. And you know, some of the big churches
(07:39):
they have their own trained team and they go through
drills and all that. Many other churches just rely on volunteers.
And I suggest to have either active or retired law
enforcement or active or retired first responders and military because
those are the people that are in church and that
they could respond to a difficult situation. So what's a
(08:00):
fine line to cross? The pastor has to be involved
in what he wants, he wants.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I've got to go back to the hiding aspect because
this is where we were stumbling over each other. The
question I was going to ask, is it's a run, hide, fight?
Those are your three best measures in a predicament like this.
When it comes to fight, you fight, like hell, am
I under Am I wrong in the assumption that if
(08:27):
there's an active shooter, they're going to try to take
out as many people as they can, so more than
likely if you don't fight, you're a goner. Anyway? Is
that a safe assumption in most cases? You think or not?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think it's a common sense approach. I mean, think
about it, right, if somebody has made the decision to
take a weapon into a business or school or church
and start shooting people, you know, I don't think begging
is going to get you much in my opinion, you know.
So that's why you know, and people say, well, should
we be able to bring guns to church? Well, once again,
(09:00):
that's kind of the pastor's call. But you know, there's
a lot of you know, people that probably do carry
concealed weapons when you know, we used to. I used
to be a firearms carried concealed instructor and I was
a Secret Service farms instructor. So you know, you know,
I've trained a lot of people. But if they decide
to carry the weapon. It's up to them, and you
know they're acting alone, not as a church security team.
(09:22):
But I suggest where they sit in church, you know,
the back corners where they could see everything if something
does transpire. But you want you want the first responders
in there, you know, because they can respond to Most
of the situations are medical, but in horrible situations, it
could be an active shooter or agressor.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay, And for example, for ten years now at least
I've carried my walth or nine millimeters with me to
church every Sunday when I go. I'd rather have and
not need than need not have when it becomes to
me and my wife. But let's break down a scenario
real quick. And a church setting might not be the
best because, uh, it would be smaller. But if you're
(10:00):
a situation, for example, where's a lot of mass hysteria
going on and you are a concealed, carried, permitted citizen,
is it risky for you to pull your firearm? I
know it's risky at fire but when the police come
and they're on the scene, is it risky for you
to have that firearm out because they don't know who's
(10:21):
who at that point.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, And I've responded to numerous situations man with the
gun or woman with the gun, and you don't know
who's the good person or the bad person in those scenarios.
So yeah, it certainly is risky. But you know, we
don't want shootouts in churches with all the people around,
you know. I think it's important that, like I said,
the pastor or whoever has a microphone tells people to
exit quickly or to get down on the floor, whichever
(10:45):
is the appropriate command. You know, and you know, if
you have to take a life to save a life,
that's a decision that you have to make. Know that
the minute you pull that gun out, and of course
you don't need carry concealed licenses anymore in state of Kentucky,
but the moment you pull that gun out and wave
it around, you know your you're subject to either criminal
civil you know, penalties. You know, obviously you're going to
(11:09):
save a life, that's a different situation. But you know,
but if it, if it's in that that you have
to make that decision, then then you try to make
it the best way you can. And I encourage people
to know their weapons, to train with them absolutely and
understand whether you know here's the bottom line, Dwight. Wherever
that bullet goes, despite your best intention, you're responsible for.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It, and your life is subject to change. And you know,
there's an old saying, I'd rather be judged by twelve
than carried by six, meaning I'd rather go to trial
than have six pallbearers. Let's go ahead and shift gears
for a second, because I want to talk about your book,
uh Sneaking Deacon from Sacred Service, From Secret Service to
Sacred Service, because it really is a good book because
(11:53):
you you were in secret service for many years, you
were Jefferson Jefferson Jefferson County Police before that, and there's
so many interesting stories in that and it's a great book,
but it also goes for a great, great cause. Can
you talk about how to get that book and who
had benefits and what the book's about.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, real quick, it's just stories from being a police
officer here in Louisville and for six years in uniform
and the Dixie Highway, Keen Run Road, I'll Gonpin Parkway area,
and then six years as Mayor Fisher's, first as a
bodyguard for him and then traveling the sixties countries around
the world, and all the situations we got into, some funny,
(12:36):
some you know, tense, and I did it. The second
page of the book says that there, you know, all
the proceeds are going to Kids Cancer Alliance, which is
my favorite charity I've been with for twenty five years.
So you know, it's for a good college. And get
it on my Facebook page or my sneakindeacon dot com.
And Butler Books. Carol Butler is my publisher here from Louisville,
(12:58):
and she has it so it helps, and h you know,
I'm glad to do that. I appreciate you saying it.
But you know, just share some stories, is all it is.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's a really good book, and there's some really there's
some tense stories. There's some comical theos stories, and there's
some stories. Go, I wonder who he's talking about. But
let's loo get let's get back to the shooting and
vulnerability assessments and all that. Let's say that there is
a church, Let's say that there's a private school or
a business, anybody that has people coming in and out
(13:30):
that might want a vulnerability assessment or just to train
their staff on responses for mass shootings. How can they
contact you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, the same thing to my Facebook page. You know,
Gregory Getscher or Sneak and Deacon and I'd be happy
to get back to them. I work with the ushers
because the usher is the first person that might observe
something that looks unusual and if they communicate with themselves
or they could you know, maybe have a police officer
star that way. You know, like I said, we want
to be welcoming, we won't don't want to be judgmental,
(14:04):
but if someone doesn't look quite right, we want them
to be able to respond and you know, and direct
the police or the ambulance there if they need so.
So you know, it's just I just try to help out.
I make suggestions. You know, every situation is different. Some
churches are set up differently and different people coming and
going and stuff. But yeah, I just try to make
(14:25):
suggestions to them. That's what I did as a Secret
Service agent. I did mostly I did advances all over
the world, so we would prepare for the presidents or
whoever we're protecting his arrival for the week or so
in advance. So that's kind of what I'm using. That
knowledge the government taught me to share with you know,
our local businesses and schools and churches.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
One last question what to be respectful your time, grateful
for it. By the way, I got to ask you,
is this the new normal? Because I don't see us
ever going back to this not being a fear.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I just think we have to, you know, just have
to look at the news every day and realize that,
you know the situation. Situational awareness is very important. When
you're leaving your house, you're leaving your office or your
school driving, you know, you should be aware of what's
going on around you. You know, somebody following you, somebody
near you in the parking lot, you know, next to
your car, and you don't want to open up all
(15:20):
the doors at once, you know, all that kind of stuff.
And I go into that when I teach my classes too,
just to have more awareness because you know, times are
getting a little crazier and you know the old saying,
we don't live in Mayberry anymore, so we have to
lock our houses and the cars and be very careful.
And there are a lot of guns, like Tony said,
a lot of guns around. But if you choose to,
you know, get one or carry one, make sure you
(15:42):
know how to use it. In appropriate legal manner.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Absolutely. One more thing I'll leave you with. I always
tell my wife, no matter what, when she's leaving the house,
go to grosser wherever it might be. Hey, do me
a favor and don't be on your phone when you're
walking to your car. Be aware of your surroundings and
anytime that you're vulnerable. If you're in the car and
it's locked, that's one thing. But be aware. I think
you got to be aware of every surrounding now, Greg
(16:07):
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's good advice. It's good advice. It doesn't cost you anything,
it doesn't hurt anything, and just you know, make you
more aware and not be having your attention you know,
diverted onto your phone or something else.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He's the sneaking Deacon. From Secret Service to Sacred Service
is the book, and it goes to a great cost. Hey, Greg,
get your Thank you so much for the time, man.
I hope to see you soon. It's been a while,
all right, Dwight.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I appreciate that. I think it's a good summer read
for vacations or sitting around the pool. A lot of
people seem to really like it, so thank you for
mentioning it.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh absolutely, I will see you down the road to me.
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Speaker 3 (17:52):
I'm excited lose.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Rady eight forty eight whas got it right, didn't have
it until the police synchronicity came out. Hey, I want
to say thank you to Jim Maddingly. Jim Maddingly, he's
listening to us. Hey, got the guys on. Uh, hanging
on cut the grass also BA double thank you, uh,
(18:20):
double thank you. Hang on to Amy Dawson Ham. Uh,
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I guess she has dual residency or whatever you call it,
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(18:44):
always hamming it up.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Some chocolatey treats sound pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's a box of them. To take that, John Auden. Uh, Well,
I've never understand why people buy stuff like this, because
I can only imagine it's going to go for a
king's ransom. Maybe maybe not here's why I'm talking about. Uh,
Tony Hawk's skateboard is hitting one of his skateboards is
(19:08):
hitting the auction blocks. Uh, it's an Here's here's the
skateboarding question. It's the nineteen ninety nine X Games where
Tony Hawk shocked the skateboarding universe merp by pulling off
the first nine hundred. So I know, let's see a
nine hundred. Let's see a three sixties once around. It's right,
(19:29):
you know, two is three times two. That's a seven
to twenty. That's right times? Okay, three? So is it
three times around?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So three times would be a nine to eighty. I
think right, Hold on, no, it would be a ten eighty.
Excuse me. So it's it's like almost a three. It's
almost three spins. It's like, is it three and a half?
I guess yeah, because that's so seven to twenty. It's
two plus one eighty, which is a half turn. Look, go,
let's do him some math on the radio.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Look at that.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That'd be nine hundred degrees. It's two and a half turns.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I like it when people, when you have a conversation
and go hey man, hey, Tina, you look really great.
What happened, and she'll say, well, you know, I really
did a three sixty and turned my life around. You mean,
and I'm be done this guy in the room, you
mean what eighty? No, no, a three sixty. I turned
it all the way around.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You're also the only guy in the room right now.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I am the only guy in the room. So anyway,
So Tony Tony Hawk's skateboard, it's the one question he
did the first ever nine hundred in competition. Now, the
board that Tony Hawk was riding when he pulled that
move up is going to go on the auction block.
It's featuring one hundred artifacts from all skate culture. It's
(20:37):
going to go live on September twenty third. Some people
have more money, they can do this. If you remember
Nicholas Cage, I think didn't he almost go broke loose.
He was buying stupid stuff, like, hey.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
He bought that haunted house down in New Orleans, didn't he?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And he also bought like a Toronto source wrecks skull,
you know, and he said, hey, I want to put
this Toronto source wreck skull as on my giant dinner
table or whatever, the centerpiece. But I think he almost
went broke buying crap like this.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Nick Cage is a weirdo. Have you seen I haven't
seen the new movies in called like Legs or something
where he's like this, this villain. I don't know what
exactly it's about. I've read the synopsis. Has been a while,
but it's kind of creepy or it seems creepy.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
He seems like he'd be uh, maybe intense or odd
to be around.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, I can't imagine what an interview with him would
be like.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I can't either. Well, salad stealing is the new let's
not get dirty with this. Salad stealing is the new
dating technique in New York City. I didn't understand it
to I read the article and here's what it breaks
down to. It seems like in New York City it's
getting so rough for women in the dating world that
(21:47):
what they're doing is they're stealing salads that other men ordered.
But it's in depth. Listen to this so you know
and do the Oh. It seems to me like they
may gave you my salad and you got mine or
what you know what I mean, Here's that's what they're doing, though.
They search out men on LinkedIn that may or may
not go to the same restaurants.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That they go to.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So LinkedIn's become a dating app.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Now, well, I guess they. I guess that maybe, and
I don't know this speculating. They see what the guy
does for the living. Is he good looking and does
he have a secure job? Is this a guy dating material?
And then they'll show up to where he goes for
lunch or whatnot, and they'll take his salad on purpose
(22:32):
when they call his name, and then do the old
you know, romantic comedy. H it seems maybe that you
got my s out and I got yours.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
The woman that the article is about that brought this
up that a lot of women are doing in New
York City. She said, guys just don't come up to
them and buy him a drink in a bar anymore
like normal dudes. I got to think that's the women's fault. Man.
I've said many times on here, I could not date
in twenty twenty five. Thank god I'm married. I wouldn't
be able to date because you know what, I know,
(23:00):
what you could say, what you can't say.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, So whenever I met my wife before she was
my wife, that was believe it or not. Over ten
years ago. Now, I slid into her DMS on the
lovely Twitter sphere, which is, I guess, the new way
to do things, not necessarily on Twitter. But I didn't
really know how she would respond, but she thought you
didn't think it was creepy at all. I feel like
you if you were, if you were in the dating
(23:23):
realm today, mister Dwight Wynnen, would you be comfortable doing
the old sliding into the DMS.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I don't think I would.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, I don't see.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's two different worlds. It's apples and bowling balls now,
John Alden, Because when when I was dating, you go
out to a club or wear a bar, whatever it
might be, and then you wing it and you go
up for me because I'm not the most attractive guy
and don't have the best physique. So I would try
(23:52):
to be funny and that was my angle, you know
what I mean, try to be funny and it worked,
but you had to be face to face with me.
You had to pitch yourself.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Nowadays, I mean, everything's digital and I feel like if
I number one, ok, number one, let's get one thing
cleared up. If I went to a bar right now,
it has a single scene. The first thing I think
of myself is when I walk through that door, is God,
you're the creepy old guy. Everyone here staring at you.
So number one is uncomfortable, But number two, I wouldn't
(24:23):
know what you could say and what you can't say
to a woman. For example, my mother always used the
term with others sweetheart, thank you, sweetheart, thank you, honey.
It was always terms of endearment, whether it's someone to
check out someone at Tony's break in alignement, whatever it
might be. And at some point when she's doing this
in my life, I said, well, I'm way too young
to call anybody sweetheart or honey, you know what I mean.
(24:46):
But now I'm old enough where I can. But it's
not appropriate, or at least I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, I was never one to really hang out at
the bars, so I've never been a really big drinker.
Now maybe whenever you're in college that makes you lame.
I think that's helped me out in the the mid
to late twenties part of my life. But if I
was somebody who would have been going out to the bars,
I probably would have been a pretty awkward dude. In
the uh, you know, the age that you're in college
and doing that sort of thing. Uh, But who knows,
(25:14):
maybe I would have figured it out.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I just don't know if dating side is that now
you're married, so you're not you're not the demographic. But
I do feel for guys in their twenties. How do
you get a date without getting smacked?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Or you know, it's all I have to if you're
not fishing off what do you call it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Fishing off the company?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
You're not fishing either fishing off the company doc.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Or dipping your ink in the company or or.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Or you're doing the digital dating apps. I think it's
one of those two things.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right. But so you met your wife by slotted in
going hey, why don't we go see Did you say
something stupid like, hey, let's rent all of the Star
Wars movies and watch them consecutively. No, you didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I don't remember exactly what I had a Star Wars
hangle on, but I do remember that our first date
was to see American Sniper. And every time I told
the people that, they're like, oh my god, it's an
intense movie to go safe for a first date. But
it was a good time. We also went to Fazzoli's
kind of also an interesting place to go on a
first date. But I mean, I mean, we're married now
and have a baby. Seems to have worked out for us.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So the rule of dating is you do whatever they
want and you have fun until you lock them in.
Then it stops. So I ain't going to the movies,
but I did take a girl on a date to
the movies. I said, Jaws fascinates me. It came out
in nineteen seventy five. My uncle takes me. He scars
me for life. I'm seven years old. So I like
shark movies. And there was a there was a sharp
(26:41):
movie called Open Water. And in Open Water they go
out on this dive trip. They might have been on
their honeymoon somehow or another. The diving charter leaves them
out in the middle the ocean. Okay, so most of
the movie is just a husband and wife newlyweds or
(27:01):
whatever it might be, just stuck out there in the
mill the ocean, trying to survive nightfalls, you know, and
at the end they just die. Is the most depressing day.
So at the end of the day, we just kind
of hung our heads, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It is a very depressive way to go. That's asive
way to go.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
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