8:25: Leland talks talks no santuary city status and Anthony Piagentini stops by

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ah, Tony and Dwight off Today Leland Conways sitting in
getting humiliated by producer Gus with music stuff. Again, Tony
and Dwight would have just flat out nailed that, Gus,
all of those songs that you played. Well, here, I'm educating.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
We'll think of it as an education.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
But if I don't like seventy, can we avoid seventies
music tomorrow? On Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Can I'll give you a reprieve. No seventies tomorrow. I
think I've already the sixties or fifties. We won't do that. Okay, sixties,
everybody just bombs out on it. But I've got to really,
I think I know what I will.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Do for you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Uh oh, and it'll be it'll be more. Maybe I'm
just gonna say that. After that, I'm going, oh, maybe not.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
What's gonna happen? Oh my gosh. All right, Okay, Well,
in case you can't tell, I'm a little bit passionate
about the illegal immigrant issue. So and by the way,
it's been funny, kind of interesting because in my current
role serving as a missionary to the West Coast in
San Diego. On the radio there we are front row,
front and center, so those of you guys have listened

(01:10):
to me for a long time, know that while I
am a Kentuckian and always will be, I grew up
partially in Arizona and because my parents are missionaries there,
and so we lived on the border, and so we
experienced one of the highest sectors for crossing the border
illegally personally. Well, now San Diego was the new highest
sector for crossing illegally because during the Biden administration, Gavin

(01:33):
Newsom was happy to just help, you know, any way
he can to get people shoveled across the border, and
so much money was being spent to facilitate this massive
influx of people that were coming here illegally and essentially
being not just allowed into the country, but they were
being helped into the country by NGOs who were indirectly

(01:54):
getting your tax dollars. And it's an absolute mess. And
so it's kind of funny to see the whole thing
flipped now and nobody really knows what to do. But
here in Louisville, Mayor Greenberg was talking to WDRB about, Hey,
you know, I'm not gonna Louisll's not going to be
a sanctuary city. Anymore. We're going to cooperate with the Feds.
But it's not for some egalitarian reason.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I made this decision to protect the broader immigrant community
based on the information that I had, based on things
that I was told. I believe we will avoid seeing
mass ice raids in this community. I was looking to
prevent that, to prevent National Guard from being in our
city as well, and so that that is the hope.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, So really he's basically okay, I'll take my punishment,
mister Trump. I will do what you say, and we
will tell you when we have a criminal in place
that is here illegally, or we will hand them over
to you when you ask, etc. I want to zoom
into this part though, I.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Made this decision to protect the broader immigrant community right there.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
That bugs me. And we're hoping to get Mayor Greenberg
on here in the next couple of days. But that
bugs me a little bit because I don't like and
I'm tired of when politicians conflate the immigrant community, as
in immigrants to the United States, which is all of us,

(03:12):
with the illegal immigrant community, right and it's done. I'm
not saying Greenberg is doing this on purpose, but a
lot of politicians, especially West coast and East coast politicians,
love to do this on purpose because the idea is
it's a subtle insinuation. And again I'm not accusing Greenberg
of this. He may, I don't know. We'll ask him

(03:33):
if he comes on, I'll ask him, what's your point
in this? Because there are a lot of politicians who
do it on purpose. It's a subtle dog whistle kind
of right, Like, it's basically insinuating if you don't agree
with me and my position on this issue, you're a racist,
because it's insinuating that you don't care for immigrants. And

(03:54):
for most of us, that couldn't be further from the truth, right,
I mean, are there races out there, Sure, of course,
they're few and far between, and hopefully, you know they'll
always be around, but you know, hopefully they've they've been
shamed into a corner, and that's fine, let's do that.
But most of us don't have any kind of animosity

(04:21):
towards immigrants at all. If you're here legally, and that
includes people that are here on a student visa or
a work visa, right, there's there's a place and a
time for that. There's nothing wrong with with the country
allowing people to come here seasonal workers with a work visa. Hey,
if you check out, you check out. You're not trying to.
If you're not trying to. If you're not trying to,

(04:42):
you know, bamb a bus station or something as a terrorist,
or you're not You're not here to get freebies. You're
just here to work and make your life better. Cool.
I mean, when I was growing up, most of it,
most of it was was really just people coming up
here to make a better life for themselves. I'm not
saying that's not the case for a lot of people now,
but that was most of it. And I honestly it's

(05:05):
kind of funny. You have to be able to you
have to be able to see this issue kind of
around the globe of it, the full all sides of it,
Like I can I can sympathize with someone who well,
let's just put it this way. If I were in
their shoes, if I lived in a third world country
and I had an opportunity to go to America, I
would no no question in my mind, I'd go. But

(05:29):
I wouldn't whine about it if I got arrested, because
I would know that Hey, look, I'm breaking the law.
And if I can get in there and make things better, great,
but I'm going to face consequences. I'm going to face
consequences if I don't do it the right way, and
I got to be aware of that, and I got
to be willing to pay that price. I don't like
conflating the immigrant community with the illegal immigrant community because

(05:52):
it's two different people. And what bothers me. One of
my best friends, he was married to a lady from
Brazil ill and they met in college, and then he
went went down there to live for a while, and
then they got divorced. And then a little bit later
he met another lady and he married her and she

(06:15):
was from Brazil too, and he came back to the
United States to resume his career and was trying to
get her into the country. And she was a nurse,
very educated, and for seven years couldn't get her in
the country. So finally he just gave up and he
moved down there. Couldn't get her in a country. And

(06:36):
it's like, well, they were trying to do it legally. Actually,
my tattoo artist, it's kind of a funny story. I'm
getting I'm getting my tattoo and he uh, he's from
South Africa, and we're sitting there and we're talking in
between me crying because it hurt, and I'm a little baby.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It was on my forearm, and I don't look the
inside of your forearm, gust you many tattoos. You You
seem like a tatted up I do not. I do not.
You have zero tattoos.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I just I kind of want. I'm picturing this in
my mind. You're sitting there as he's tattooed, crying like
a baby and playing seventies hits that are driving you out.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Of your nuts, crying like a baby. The inside. I
love the tattoo, it turned out really good. But the
inside of my forearm, that tender, the white meat there,
you know what I'm talking about, like a chicken.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Breast, that is a particularly sensitive area. You're absolutely right, Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
My god, that hurt. I'm like, even now, it was
a year ago I put this on, and even now,
because I have to go back and get it kind
of darkened up a little bit. Even now, I'm kind
of starting to tear up a little bit thinking about
the pain. Anyway, we're having this conversation he's a great
artist and he came here. He came here legally from
South Africa. But his story is interesting. He was an

(07:52):
architect and the economy in South Africa collapsed, so he's
an educated dude, and he was like, what do I
want to do with myself? And he was walking down
the street and he was an artist, because a lot
of our architects are, you know, they have the skill
of drawing and painting and all that. And he sees
this tattoo place and he's like, that's what I want
to do. I could be really good at that. So

(08:13):
he goes in and he works for free to be
an apprentice to learn the trade. And then he realizes,
I can't make enough money to live here, but I
could probably make good living in America. So he and
his fiance literally immigrated to the United States with a
green card legally, but they've been here for thirteen years
waiting for citizenship. And he jokingly said to me where

(08:35):
I'm in the chair and there, and he said, you know,
I've been thinking about just crossing into Mexico and then
coming back illegally because then everything would work out fine.
He's like, we just want to buy a house. We
want to be Americans, you know. And he's like, but
it would.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Probably just go better for me if I would just
cross the border illegally, going into Mexico and come back illegally.
I mean, that's sad man. And nobody ever paints the
story of how we're supposed to feel about people who
want to come here legally and have a really good
reason for it, and maybe they are educated and they're skilled,
and they could add to the economy, and they could

(09:08):
add to the community and they could make us better.
We never hear the stories about them having to be
cut in line against by these people that come here
illegally and just come across the border, right like they're
cutting in line everybody who writes columns and makes statements
about how they support illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
If you cut in line for them at the snack
counter at the movie theater, you watch how quick they
dump a popcorn bucket on your head. They're not going
to be happy. They're waiting in line for something they
want and you cut in line. What do you think
their reaction is going to be? Go to Whole Foods
where the liberal shop and cut in line in front

(09:48):
of them at the at the clerks, like when Dakasha
the checkout area cut in line. And see how quickly
they stop being tolerant. See how quickly they're all about acceptance.
See how quickly they are inclusive to you. I did,
by the way, I did go into Whole Foods the
other day, Gus, and I was wearing my I don't
know if you've seen my sweater, the one that has

(10:09):
the AR fifteen on it and it says I will
not comply. Yeah, it's a black sweater with a white
AR fifteen and an American flag motif, and then it
says underneath, I will not comply. And I forgot that
I had it on.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
How many heads? Just instantly the whole place gone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I went in. I started like. I got in the
store and I looked down and I realized I was
wearing it, and I was like, Oh, this is gonna
go well. And we go hang out at the avocado station.
See what happens. And what was funny was this little
old lady caught up to me in the produce section
and she tags me on the arm. You know, She's
like tugging at my shoulder and I turn around and

(10:50):
I'm expecting the worst, and she has this gleam in
her eye and she goes, I like your sweater. I
was like, sweet, anyway, you understand what I'm saying. You
go cutting the cutting line where all the tolerant people
are and the accepting and the and the and the
inclusive people are. You cut a line in front of
them when they're trying to get their tofu tofurkey for Thanksgiving,

(11:11):
and they're gonna they're gonna have words with you. But
it seems to be okay in this area. I have
an issue with conflating immigrants with illegal immigrants. People who
come here legally are immigrants, and hopefully they are going
to get segued into citizenship if that's what they want
to do, and we should have a pathway for that
to be relatively not difficult to do. But I that

(11:34):
just I hate to harp on that one thing that
Greenberg said, but I'm like that is whether he meant
it or not. Most of the leftist politicians who say
that they say the same thing, and you hear it
in the media. They conflate everybody is an immigrant as
opposed to an illegal immigrant, and there is a big difference,

(11:54):
and there should be consequences for being an illegal immigrant.
So ultimately, I guess Louisville's not going to be a
sanctuary city anymore, which is great, at least until we
have another Democrat president, and we'll probably go right back
to it. But there's one other thing I wanted to
point out in this that I find fascinating. We've had

(12:15):
Republican presidents in the past when cities were sanctuary cities.
I remember when I was on the air wlap over
in Lexington. It was at the end of the Bush
administration and this issue was flaring up, and of course
Bush was a big supporter of illegal immigration, but he

(12:36):
was a Republican president, and I remember that's about the
time the debate over Lexington being a sanctuary city was raging.
And it was funny because, you know, they didn't want
to admit that they were, but they kind of were.
I mean, we had buses arriving in the middle of
the night just dropping people off, you know, and it
was a big thing, and we talked about it a lot,

(12:56):
but it was essentially it was kind of like in
vogue to be the sanctuary city. But you knew at
that time that Bush wasn't going to do anything about it,
and then you knew Obama wasn't going to do anything
about it. Trump was too busy in twenty sixteen in
his first term fighting the lawfair to do anything about it.
Biden accelerated it, and now we have Trump back, and

(13:19):
now he's focused on the mission and not on having
to beat back crazy leftists using lawfare against him. And
so he's basically gotten serious and he's saying, look, we're
going to come in there and we're going to take
these people out of the country. They cannot be here
there here illegally. And I would argue too, I would
argue that as much as I sympathize with a family

(13:41):
and a child watching their parent get arrested by ICE
outside of a school, I sympathize with that. I don't
like that. I don't revel in that. I don't joy
in that. But I don't mind it either. I don't
mind it either, because again, these people that are getting
arrested by ICE, they had a coordinate and they missed it.

(14:03):
They had an opportunity to tell their side of the story.
That's how America works, even if you're not a citizen.
They had an opportunity to do that and they missed it.
They skipped it. That was their choice. So if you
get a if you do bad things and that results
in you getting arrested in front of your child, I'm
not going to be more sympathetic to you. That's number one.

(14:24):
But the other thing is this has to send a message.
This has to send a powerful and clear message to
the next round of people being escorted up here by
the drug cartels. And I mentioned earlier context. This matters
because all you see in the media is they're focusing on, Oh,

(14:44):
a parent was ripped away from their child outside of
the school, But they don't talk about the thousands and
thousands and thousands of illegal immigrant children who are currently
being sold as sex slaves and being.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Used for illegal child labor and United States that is
happening in California. They raided a.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Marijuana farm and there were they took out I think
it was like twenty seven illegal immigrants. They arrested them.
Amongst those twenty seven, nine of them were children, unaccompanied minors.
So someone was overseeing whether the company was guilty of it,

(15:29):
or somebody outside was a handler for those kids. Most
likely the handler side. Somebody was handling those kids and
forcing them to work on a marijuana farm. And then
one of the other arrestees was actually a pedophile, and
the mainstream media and the leftists were protesting this. They're like,
wait a minute, you're protesting saving nine kids from being
in forced manual labor, and you're protesting arresting a pedophile.

(15:54):
How's that actually work in your brain? If you come
at it from that standpoint. City Councilman Anthony Pagentini joins
us at the bottom of the hour. I Leland Conway
in for Tony and Dwight on News Radio eight forty
whas see Tonya Dwight show, Leland Conway sitting in discussing

(16:15):
the illegal immigration issue, Craig Greenberg saying Louisville not a
sanctuary city. On the line of this, now, Councilman Anthony Pagentini,
what's up, dude?

Speaker 5 (16:23):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Man?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh? I thought we had him. We're writing on that.
We should have him shortly let me know when we
got him.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
We're we good.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
So yeah, just kind of going back to this issue.
I don't understand well. I again, I want to try
to get Mayor Greenberg on because I'd like to ask him,
what does he mean by the immigrant community being protected, right, Like,
if you're an immigrant legally, you have nothing to fear.
If you're an immigrant who became a US citizen, you

(16:53):
obviously have nothing to fear. If you're an immigrant who
is here legal, maybe not a citizen, but here legally,
you obviously have nothing to fear. So what does this mean?
Anthony Pagentini on the line with us. What's up, sir?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Oh? Good? Good? Long time repeak? How you been my friend?

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I know, missie, missie? So yeah, what did you make?
Let me just play these comments for you. This is
Mayor Greenberg and he's saying, look, Louisll's not going to
be a sanctuary city anymore, which is good.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I made this decision to protect the broader immigrant community
based on the information that I had, based on things
that I was told. I believe we will avoid seeing
mass ice raids in this community. I was looking to
prevent that, to prevent National Guard from being in our
city as well, and so that that is the hope.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well what do you think of that? What's your reaction
to that?

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yeah, no, I think it's the right thing to do.
So I'll tell you there's an ordinance was put in
place before I got on council that that sort of
spells about how the city can interact with immigration enforcement.
And it was done in the first Trump administration, and
again I wasn't on council at the time. The interpretation
of it was that Corrections particularly could not do forty

(18:13):
eight hours holes when requested by us. That was the
big rub and that's why we were put on the
sanctuary cities with this. I told Mayor Greenberg once this
came up. I told him, I said, look, if you
don't take action, I'm going to change the law. And
then he said, look, let me look at this, let
me think about it for a minute. And then he
came back and he let me know before his announcement

(18:35):
that this is what he was going to do. We
are still going to change the law, just because we
can't depend on who the mayor is to interpret it
this way. I'm going to make sure the law is
updated moving forward. But this is the right thing to do,
you know, this is the only issue was forty eight
hour holds. When we already have somebody in Corrections. It

(18:55):
just makes sense. You know, the federal government is not
our enemy. They are enforcing federal immigration law, and we
should work with them just like we should work with
them on any law enforcement that.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, And I don't think anybody wants to see LMPD
going door to door doing immigration rates. That's not their job.
Nobody wants them to do that. Nobody's advocating for them
to do that. But it's common sense that if one
of the people that they nab in a crime spree
is a member of MS thirteen or trendy Agua, and
the Fed's got a big warn out on that guy
because he's killed three people in Dayton, Ohio, and he

(19:28):
ends up in Louisville, it's just common sense to be like, hey, Feds,
come get him, we got him, Come get him, get
him off our hands, and take it off the taxpayer's.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Hands, exactly right. And what was happening was by the
time ICE was getting the information that we had this
person and corrections that they were already under a deportation
order or were part of that deportation process, we were
giving them like four hours to react and then releasing them.
That's ridiculous, right, Like that's just not necessary. And so
they were making then what the way is technically worked

(19:59):
and they were quest a forty eight hour hold to
give him time to finish the paperwork, get there, pick
him up and take custody. It's a very reasonable way
to go about and I agree, right, LMPB is busy enough,
and correction is busy enough. But this is a really
minimal amount of coordination that you would expect from any

(20:19):
level of law enforcement. Right, they're already there, police hold
them forty eight hours, will be there to pick them up. Right,
makes sense?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, makes sense. We're going to keep you if you
don't mind, for another segment, and we got to get
the news in here, but can you stick around with
us for about fifteen minutes? I can love it? Awesome
Anthony Pagentini, city councilman here in Louisville, will continue. I'm
Leland Conway and for Tony and Dwight News Radio A
forty whas So, Antonia, do I show Leland Conway sitting
in for the fellas. Joining us on the line is

(20:49):
a councilman, Anthony Pagentini. We were talking about immigration earlier.
Let's switch to juvenile justice. Antony. It seems like the
governor seems to be dragging his feet on getting new
juvenile center put up here, and that's not good. What's
going on with that? What's the hold up there?

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah, so we've had this, you know, sort of epidemic
of juveniles getting involved in violent crime, homicide, shootings and
all this. And the problem that we've run into is
the city the state is supposed to run all juvenile
justice facilities years ago and now it's like four years ago.
The General Assembly maybe three years ago. Alex he had

(21:27):
tens of millions of dollars for the state to renovate
the facility. We gave it to the city owned it,
we gave it to the state. They had to renovate
it and open and operate it. Well, they waited so
long just to work through that initial process that not
only are they three years later and they're still not done,
they're predicting at least another two years until they can

(21:49):
reopen that facility. Meanwhile, we have kids killing each other
in the streets and have no place to send them locally.
So it's actually been Representative Jared Ballman in southwest Jefferson
County who went to the head of the Department of
Juvenile Justice and said, hey, can we speed this up?
And they were like, Wow, it's going to cost money.
He's like, okay, how much we got the biggest serf

(22:09):
bus in the state we've ever seen. And the governor
is just sort of, you know, taken five plus years
to reopen this facility, no sense of urgency whatsoever. And
you know, we need an all in strategy here to
hold these kids accountable and get them, particularly ones that
are violent criminals, off the streets. And you know, the
governor's office is just dragging on this. It's just been

(22:32):
really frustrating from our point of view.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
What what kind of difference do you think this will
make in terms of being able to have a facility
like that, because you know, getting kids off the street
that are involved in this and hopefully getting them into
a place where you know more can be done than
just you know, putting them in a behind bars to speak,
What kind of difference do you think this will make?

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Right, So, first of all, a lot these kids need
to be separated from their immediate surroundings. Right They've been
recruited into gangs, they're being pressure to stay in those gangs.
They need to be separated from that. We have committed
as a sitting if the state runs it to provide
wrap around services that's therapy, education, and all this other
stuff while they are there, right, So they're going to

(23:20):
be getting those services services they are probably not getting
in their own community, right they were deprived of or
their parents, you know, maybe didn't do a real great
job of raising them. Whatever. The story is, right, But
the point is, and the other logistical issue is right now,
the process of getting these kids and transitioning them into
a holding facility is incredibly time time consuming. So it

(23:43):
takes officers off the street in the immediate time they're
trying to get back on the street and conduct law enforcement.
Takes them off the street for like a day at
a time. And the other problem is judges locally to
defend them for just a hot second, are making hard
decisions on do I hold this kid who Now it's
going to take a day or two to transition them

(24:04):
down to Adare County bring it back. The logistics of
that are very very difficult. So judges are tend to
be releasing these kids back into the community much more
prevalently than they would if we had a local facility
where they would be more likely to hold them and
they would get services locally.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
And if they get back in the community, they go
right back to the group they were with. That influencer
continues right along and they go right back into that loop,
that doom loop, if you will.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Precisely that's exactly what happens. I mean, there needs to
be a hard separation with services with better influences in
their life, and then and then once they serve their time,
they can reintegrate in a more coordinated manner. Right. The
pressure on particularly these young teenage boys to join these
gangs is so hard that I mean, I know people

(24:56):
like I know specific people who have had to move,
like literally leave their community and move someplace use in
the city because they could not avoid. They had a
good son, a good kid, they could not stop the
pressure and the violent pressure that was on him to
join that gang. So they just hadn't move. And then
that's crazy, that's ridiculous. Yeah, we need to break that

(25:17):
system up well.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
And also too, it's a very small percentage of the
community that's committing the crimes. We saw that in DC
they arrest about two hundred and eighty seven people and
the murder rates down by about eighty percent, you know,
I mean, it's you have a very small group of
people that are committing these crimes, but they can apply
an enormous pressure on kids as they're coming up.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
There was a study just came out and talked about Now,
again we could debate whether or not to go back
to three strike laws, but they found that if you
were too permanently incarcerate everybody that commits three felonies right
or more, it immediately would reduce eighty percent of violent
crime immediately. Like that's how much To your point, it's

(26:00):
a handful of people. I think in New York City,
and we've done these studies locally too. I just don't
know the numbers. At the top of my head. I
remember in New York City that's eight million people up there.
It was like two hundred and some on people is
committing something like seventy five percent of all property all
the robberies in the city. Yeah right, yeah, I mean, okay,
arrest those two hundreds of one people. Let's get it done, right.
I mean, you see property front plump. If you do that, right,

(26:25):
that's where we need to be focusing our resources. And
again that's happening on this juvenile side, where to your point,
you have a handful of ring leaders, and if you
can really nab those ring leaders and get them off
the streets, the pressure on the rest of these kids
will melt away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
But then that ties into the other problem that we're having,
and that's judges that are not really looking at each
of these cases and they end up with shock probation
and it's not really a shock if you do it
every time, right, So that, well, that's something that becomes
a problem too, because these people get right back out
on the street.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Yeah. So for obviously, the whole shock probation process hit
the news Big Tom and Louisville recently and sort of
made national news because of the most horrific case that
we just had. But I had David Nicholson, who's the
clerk of the courts, right, He's been great in getting information.
I think the public needs to have as much information

(27:19):
as possible in this. For example, I had him pull
the last year and a half so from January of
twenty twenty three are actually two and a half years
January twenty twenty three to August of twenty twenty five.
How many shock probation cases by judge? So we have
thirteen circuit court judges, right, other than two other than

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two judges, the other eleven judges, their rates of granting
shock probation when it's requested are well over fifty percent
and in some cases pushed to ninety percent.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Right, where if you're requesting, like, you have a nine
to ten chance of getting shocked probation if you request
it a certain court, right, So that to me, that's insane, Right,
That just tells me. And the variation between the judges
tell me that there's like there's too much personal thought
going into it versus objective standards. Right. Again, you have

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a judge on the on the one end who only
grants about a third of the cases of shock probation
that come to them all the way to them ninety
percent being granted. On the other end, are they everywhere
in between?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Are they getting it? Are they granting it for people
that have committed crimes in the past, because I thought
shock probation was supposed to be for that kid that
otherwise has been relatively well behaved, fell into a doom
loop with some bad people, got caught committing a crime
first time, and you scare the crap out of them
by giving them shock probation and say next time you're

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going to jail. Has that changed in that system?

Speaker 5 (28:54):
No, that's what that's precisely what it's intended to be.
But what we're seeing is so there's a combination of
cases in charge. So a lot of times people are
being hit on multiple charges. So maybe this is the
first time they're being arrested, but when you dig into it,
there were multiple charges, right, that's number one. Number two,

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the state legislature has now banned that being used for
violent balance, right, so violent falons have to serve out
like eighty five percent of their KU shot probation. So
that was a huge shift in the right direction, right,
But yes, that was the absolute intension it was supposed
to be for that you know, young man or woman, Right,

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it didn't have to be juvenile, but young you know,
young adults who just made a mistake. Otherwise we're finding
school like just screwed up and they were scared straight,
if you will, by going to jail for a period
of time and now for rehability. But we have absolutely
seen that process. The deviation on these numbers make no

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mathematical sense when you think about it. Yeah, and uh,
I mean again, you would you would expect to see.
The judges have a sim because they're randomly assigned to
these judges. So the fact that there is this level
of variation if you want judge the next means you know,
and because the public should know those that are gratuitously

(30:17):
granted shot probation even for very questionable cases, and those
that are also doing it in the strict manner. So
I think we just need to scrutinize all this and
the public needs to have this information at their fingertips.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, I would that's I would agree. Boy, a lot
needs to be done. Is there any way to speed
up that justice center? Do you think.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
So?

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Like I said, Jared Bowman put the put the screws
to the head of the Juvenile Justice department. So he
asked for an estimate of how much it would He said,
what would it take to speeding up? The response was well,
it would require some overtime and all that. And he's like, okay,
well how much? Right, Like, how much does that cost?
How much over the time? How much can we speed
it up? And he was like, well, of course, I'll
have to get back to you, right, Okay, great for

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a typical bureaucracy, But I think they absolutely can, right,
if we have any sense of urgency. This is the
issue of our day, right, public safety, particularly around juveniles,
and if we can get ahead of this, and that
is a critical portion of it. And that's a bipartisan idea.
By the way, this is not like, you know, one
side wants this open and one side doesn't. If we

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can get this reopened, it would be an absolute game changer.
And so he's putting the screws to the governor to
get it done. And you know, I mean any pressure
that anyone can bring the bear to tell the governor
and tell his head of juvenile justice, find the money,
put in the overtime, get this process set up. If
we can do it in one year versus two years,
that's one year left of letting this problem keep going.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, for sure. Well I'm glad there's guys like you
that are kind of watchdoging this stuff and staying on
top of it. These are important issues that affect everybody
in the city, so super important. Thanks for popping on
with us. I'm sure we'll talk again soon. It's good
to hear your voice, brother.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Good to hear your boys cheer. Take it easy with.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Us, all right, counselman Anthony Piagentini. Well, thanks for letting
me sit in. I'll be here for a couple more days,
hanging out while Dwight and Toni are off. It's been fun.
We will talk to you tomorrow at Bright and Early
at nine a m. Thanks for listening. Leland Conway on
news Radio eight forty Nobody Haos