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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Leland Conway setting in for Tony and Dwight News
Ready to eight forty w h as. Joining me on
their line now is Congressman Thomas Massey. What is going on, sir,
Good to hear your voice. Thanks for popping on with
us this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Are you in the tuchow? What shall we Yeah? What
shall we talk about? You're one of my favorite people
in Congress that'll never change. And I want to start
with this. I mean, you're under attack right now. Apparently
you don't like government spending, and apparently the president is
a little bit of it at odds with that, and
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somehow or another, things have gotten into a situation where
you've got people attacking you from the left and from
the right that that's just Tuesday, isn't it for you?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, it all boils down to this. I'm being attacked
for being too conservative, damn it. And there's two there's
two different disenfranchised groups here that are attacking me. Part
of it is the Washington DC machine that's upset that
I won't vote for more debt and more deficits. There
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were some good things in the big beautiful bill, but
ultimately I did not vote for it because it's gonna
blow the budget. It's gonna add trillions of dollars to
an otherwise trillion dollar deficit, and that's a problem, and
all that's gonna blow up in three or four years.
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They've structured this bill so that the tax breaks and
all the spending happens in the beginning, and they say,
in three or four years, we're gonna stop the tax
breaks and we're gonna quit spending so much, and we're
gonna balance the budget. And that's how they got one
over on my colleagues to get this thing through. So
there's some folks upset that I didn't vote for that,
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but they don't have the money to run the ads
against me, So they found some other folks who were
upset with me because I don't vot vote for wars
in the Middle East, and I don't vote for foreign aid.
So there's three billionaires who are funding a super pack,
and two of them are hedge fund managers, and one
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of them is Sheldon Nagelson's wife, who is the casino.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Mogul in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So they're from West Palm Beach, Las Vegas and New York.
Three billionaires running negative ads against me because I won't
vote for the foreign aid and for the wars. And
there's another little interesting twist that this came about. I
don't know if this is one of those things where
you just say, oh, it's a small world.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
But one of the three.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Billionaires who's running the ads against me is in Epstein's.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Black book, and I'm the one.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's introduced legislation to release all.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The Epstein files.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh my word, we should we should talk about that
just a little bit, but just real quick on this. Yeah,
they say you're judged by by who your enemies are, right,
I guess let me let me go back to the
big beautiful bill for a second, and I think you
and I probably had some slight differences opinion on that,
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But again, that doesn't waiver my support for you. It's
just we're not always going to agree one hundred percent.
I agree with you in principle. I agree with you
in principle. I was looking at it more from a
pragmatic standpoint of, Okay, what do we have to do
to get it past to get the tax cuts for people?
And then can we do this through recision? So I
guess that would be the other side's argument. What's your
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response to that, Because it sounds like what you're saying is, look,
I just don't trust them at all, which is probably
the right position at the end of the day. But
what's your response to that, Like, we're just being pragmatic here.
We're we're gonna get it all cut, all those cuts
through recision, but we got to get these tax cuts
done now, Like, what's your response to that, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The recisions are billion dollar solutions and the Big Bill
is a trillion are trillion dollar problems, so it's recisions
are billion dollar solutions to trillion dollar problems. The recisions
are great. I voted for them. I want more of them.
I think we should rescind hundreds of billions, not nine billion.
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Nine billion is all that Congress has rescinded. But what's
going to happen is the Big Bill is going to
add three or four hundred billion dollars a year in
deficits over the next three years.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Oh can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Leland Conways sitting again for Tonio Dwight. Congressman Thomas Massey
is on with us.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Congressman Massey. In addition to the billionaires trying to take
you out. Apparently the NSA doesn't like us talking either,
so I.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Don't think so that's the shadowy globalist billionaires.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm telling you, Like what happened, that's literally only ever
happened to us one time before. And I'm like, oh
my god, and you might have been on the air
with us when that happened. So, but we were talking, Yeah,
we we just want to pick up where we left
off real quick. We were talking about the billion dollar
answer to troia dollar problems. I get what you're saying
on that, and it is we have much bigger issues.
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So in your opinion, where do we go if we
don't fix that, if we don't fix that fast, where
do we go?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, we're going to We're already seeing it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
People say, oh, this is going to bankrupt you know,
our country and our grandkids will suffer. People are already
suffering because we're monetizing our debt. We're using the banks
as an intermediary. The Fed loans money to the banks,
and then the banks by the debt from the Treasury,
and the banks get to make a little bit of
money on it. But the problem is it increases the
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money supply. It drives up the interest rates because you
don't have foreign investment in our debt, like they're saying, Oh,
we don't want to buy your debt at four percent.
We need five percent interest because you promised to pay
us back in dollars and you're diluting those dollars. So
we're driving up interest rates to finance all of this
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excess spending. And the Big Bill has over one hundred
it's two or three hundred billion dollars extra spending this
year then it had last year. So that's the problem
with it. I mean, we'll see the proof is gonna happen.
You'll see it's gonna happen, mark my words. This is
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why I wear a debt badge.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I built a little badge that I wear on my
lapel that's a digital display of the debt in real time,
going up and it's taken.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's jumping up and leaps and bounds.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Now I have a hard time keeping the battery charged
on my debt badge these days.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
We've been we've been talking about this the debt for
a long time, right, and the badge has been around
for a long time, and and somehow or another, they
keep propping the system up. How are they doing that?
Because everything you say makes total sense. It doesn't make
sense that we can continue to operate the way we're
operating and not have financial consequences, which you describe those consequences.
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People's wages are getting eaten away by inflationary issues and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But it's being eaten in.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
A way, in a way that most Americans don't feel
it huge. It's kind of like dying slowly over time
from diabetes rather than getting bit by a cobra. Right,
So what is propping that system up to where it's
this long, slow decline instead of a huge crash.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it looks like a perpetual motion machine and you
stare at it and you say, how does this thing
keep going without collapsing? The way it has been going
without collapsing is foreign countries are using the dollar and
they want to spend dollars to buy their things because
their own currencies fluctuate too much, so they use it
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as a reserve currency. And we're able to dilute their
holdings of US dollars by printing more. So if we
print three percent at more dollars in a year, then
we are deluding the foreign holdings, and we're like the
credit card transaction fee at the gas station. You know,
we take three percent of everything around the world if
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they're using dollars. The problem is through sanctions, we're causing
fewer countries to use dollars. Like you know, Russia used
to have seventy percent of their foreign transactions in dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Now it's like fifteen percent.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And also, other countries aren't buying our debt like they
used to, so they're not holding US debt that we
can promise to pay them back in US dollars, so
we can't dilute it and take their money. The music's
going to stop, and we're already seeing that when we
go when the Treasure Treasury goes out to sell treasury bonds,
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the foreign investors are saying no thanks, and we're selling
more of them to institutional investors.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah that makes sense, do you think. Okay, so we
have this dilution of.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Our spending power.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
At some point countries are going to be like, oh,
screw this, We're gonna go to something else. And there
are efforts afoot to make that the case around the world.
When that happens, do we just become a third world country.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What happens, well, I mean that happens, We're gonna there
will be some austerity.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm trying to avoid that situation.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
What would what will happen is we'll probably go into
a lot higher inflation rate because we'll we'll be tempted,
as we are doing now to some degree, to monetize
our debt more right, and you start doing that and
you're not relying on diluting the holdings of foreign countries
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and you're just diluting the holdings of your own American citizens,
then you get into a hyperinflation situation.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But you also get into higher interest rates.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I know the President wants to Fed to lower the
interest rates. Could they lower them another percent and have
some impact act on the private market, you know, the
rate at which you do a car loan or a mortgage.
You know, we could probably go down a little bit,
But the reality is they can't go down much because
otherwise we can't sell our debt and otherwise the banks. Also,
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even though that the FED might loan money to banks
at that rate, the banks aren't going to loan it
out at lower rate. So the control levers for this
centrally controlled economy are now attached with rubber bands that
stretch every time they try to pull those levers.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, I just finished rereading the Creature from Jackyl Island
and it has me scared to death.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do you think that the American people are prepared for
what it would mean to cut the government enough that
we could get out of this, because what we're talking
about is going back to basically, you get police, you
get fired, you get roads, you get bridges, your paw
hooles are filled, and you have some schools. The rest
is up to you, like that's the way it was designed.
Do you think the American people, even conservatives who talk
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a big game until you grab their subsidy, do you
think they're prepared for what that kind of government looks
like to get us back on the right footing so
that the free market is actually driving prosperity.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
By the way, the things that you just named, ninety
percent of those are funded by state and local governments
with taxes that don't have debt and deficit spending. So
you know, ninety percent of K through twelve education is
already funded at the local level. So are they ready
for the FEDS to pull out the ten percent that
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causes the states to jump through all these hoops and
hire more administrators and go through regulation. I think there
would be a boom to individuals and the free market
economy if the government quit sucking up all of the capital,
if the government quit regulating the local schools and you know,
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holding out ten percent of their funding as the carrot.
And if you just look at Argentina, what's going on there?
That guy is he's massively cutting government and people they're
not like ready to throw him out. They're having a surgeence,
a renaissance for the first time, you know, their inflation, Yes, they.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And they don't have to carry their money in wheelbarrows, right.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I mean it's like, okay, do you want government services
or do you actually want to keep you know, ninety
nine percent of the check that you make every month,
because then you could afford a lot of things that
government supposedly gives. You Just go to the DMV for
ten minutes and tell me that that works efficiently.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And by the way, so now you have the government.
Don't want to change subjects, but you brought up the DMV.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Sure you have the.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Government taking a ten percent stake in Intel. You know,
the microprocessor manufacture. I wonder if they're going to model
their cash inside of that microprocessor, you know, the memory that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That holds stuff while the processors working.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I wonder if they're going to model that after the
lines at the DMV, Like, can you imagine a computer processor.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That worked as efficiently as the lines at the DMV.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah. I was.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I was sitting here with the other the other day
and my number was five ninety three, and uh they
got to five ninety two and I was like, oh,
I'm next. And then there was about an hour and
a half of calling a seventy one CEO one eighty.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I'm like, what is this? What is this organization? I
don't even know what this is?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
By the way, Yeah, so you don't want government involved
in the manufacture of microprocesses.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
They can only slow it down.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Not good? Not good?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
All right, real quick, before we let you go and
apologize for the technical difficulties I'm blaming the NSA, But before.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We let you in the globalist billionaires.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
There you go either one, both culprits probably the same
people when you pull the mask off like Scooby Doo.
So this the one thing that concerns me. I understand
what Trump is doing. He's trying to make government a
little more efficient, but he's doing this data sharing stuff
and the health sector as well as in just overall
just the data that Americans have that's collected on them,
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and he's pulling it all together using artificial intelligence. And
he's also kind of backing off of any kind of
regulation of artificial intelligence. And again, I understand the sentiment, right,
but boy, put another put the last regime in there,
or the Obama regime in there, and they have the
power that's going to be left behind by Trump with data.
Does that concern you at all?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It concerns me greatly.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
The government is not here to help you, and they're
not going to do anything good with knowing.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So much more about you.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
This is one of the reasons I'm opposed to real ID,
which is going into place right now at the airports,
is because people say, oh, well, they're not collecting information
on you with the real ID when you file to
get a real ID that's the new driver's driver license standard.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
They're not collecting new information.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And I'm like, no, they don't need to collect new
inf They've got all the information on you already and
they're collecting it through other means. What real idea is,
that's your that's like the Dewey decimal system. That's your
index card into that database. That proves that the living
flesh human being who is present, whether it's at a
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gas station or whether it's at a train station, it
proves that that's the same human that they have all
that data on.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And that's the link.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's how they link you to all the stuff that
volunteer and whatnot is collecting.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, that's once that connection is made, then then you
have enormous power to track and manage people.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And one other thing, Yeah, one other lynchpin here.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
It would be the central bank digital currencies, if they
can prevent you from using cash, and if they can
turn off your currency using this data that they have
because your score not a credit score, but your social
score or whatever it gets too low, or you wrote
too many letters to your congressman complaining, that's the lynchpin
that in real I.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
D I think the thing that bothers me about this,
Congressman Massy is that people on our side, you know,
conservatives that I know and love, have immediately dropped their
guard on this because Trump's in office, and I'm like, look,
I don't think Trump's going to try to micromanage our
lives with this information. But we're one step away from
Kamala Harris, We're one step away from Tim Walls. We're
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one step away from Gavin Newsom in the White House.
And Gavin Newsom outlawed parody in California, which I'm proud
to say that on co Goo and San Diego. I
continue to have my parody Gavin Newsom's hair, Twitter name
and didn't get arrested. So cool, But i mean, put
them in charge what happens.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Well. Not to conflate real ID with everify, but this
is one of the reasons I'm against everify. Everify is
basically a computer system where in order to get a job,
you have to ask the government's permission and then they
check your background and say okay. Ostensibly it's to make
sure you're a citizen, but the reality is they're not
going to use it for that. And everify, let's say,
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when Trump's president and it's used to keep illegals from
you know, getting employment. E Verified will become v verify,
and under Democrats, they'll make sure you have a vaccine
before you.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Can go to work.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah, that's why conservatives, if you are a true conservative,
you should resist every effort of the government to grow
into your private life because those pendulum swings.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And by the way, it doesn't swing as much as
you think.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Ninety five percent of the government employees under Biden are
still employed under Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's right, right, it's there.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
They're the elected officials and the appointments. Those are like
a surface nuisance to the deep state. They're like fleas.
They shake them off every four years.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I just we're only several years removed from what they
did to us in COVID.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
People need to remember that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Congressman Thomas Massey, I'm glad we were able to reconnect
despite the worst attempts to take us apart here. Thanks
so much for your time. It's good to talk to
you again, my friend. Keep fighting the fight for freedom.
We appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh he's great being on your show, Leland. Thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
All right, have a good one. Is Congressman Thomas Massey.
By the way, speaking of AI, I've got a story
for you and we'll update you on that shooting in
Minneapolis as well.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's all coming up. Leland Conway in for Tonya Dwight on.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
News Radio eight forty whas It's Tonya and Dwight show.
Leland Conway sitting in. I'm looking at the information. We
don't have a whole lot of details on this shooting
at the Catholic school up in Minneapolis, but it's really
kind of heart rendering to see.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
First of all, it's good that these people have their kids.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But I'm watching a video right now with parents with
their kids and their arms and they're walking away from
the school.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
They've got them. Apparently there were twenty people injured. Two
have lost their lives.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I do not know if that includes the Jackwagon shooter,
but it was the children's first day of all school
masks that started at eight am, and the shooter opened
fire around eight twenty and the church was full of children.
I'm just gonna reiterate this. If you are if you
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are a member of a church, if you're a pastor
of a church, if you are an administrator at a
religious school or a synagogue, you got to have a
plan in place because there is a target on your back.
And for so long in America we have gone with
this idyllic idea that you know, I mean he used
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to be you remember when we watched movies and the
bad guys would do everything but shoot the priest, you
know what I mean, Like you didn't do that. It
was like even the bad guys knew, mess with the church,
You're going to hell? Right like people, that's gone now
that the evil has successfully infiltrated our society to a point,
now that that is a target, they want to go
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after that. It's more sensational to go after children. It's
more sensational to go after religious believers. So if you man,
if you are involved in a church in any way
and you don't have a plan for this, what are
you gonna do if somebody walks in? How are you
gonna handle that situation? And it sucks because you know,
my dad's a pastor, I'm a missionary kid, and I
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grew up in the church.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And and you have.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
People that, yeah, this is the the church is accepting
of everybody. I mean, that's that's the way it always was.
It's like you welcome people, and now we have to
kind of have ah. The church that I attend in
Colorado Springs had a mass shooting some years ago.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And so it's you can.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Even though it was a long long time ago, was
before I even moved out there, there's still a sense of, yeah,
we're we're keeping an eye on people when they come
in the door. You know, it's not fun, but man,
just be aware of that. We also gus. I think
I heard John at the bottom of the hour say
there was a bomb thread at Cholbea County high school.
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I'm not laughing at it. It's just here we go
with copycats, right. I don't think there's any they said
in there. They didn't believe there was any immediate danger,
but they're kind of keeping an eye on it. But
that came in this morning, and that's uh. Again, it
might have just been somebody that saw the news and
then said let's do this here, let's do that there.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
But rash of that going on with these swatting calls
around the country over the last week or so.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I was reading about that last night.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Yeah, I know it's difficult to find these people, but boy,
if you do, you need to kind of make an
example you do you do.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
There needs to be a very, very very harsh penalty
for that because it's deadly.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's absolutely deadly.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So all right, I just want to wrap it up
with this one thing I've been itching to tell you about.
So we were talking with Congressman Thomas Massey before the
news there about how President Trump is kind of taking
the reins off of a and I understand what he's
doing from a business perspective. He's trying to deregulate. There's
a lot of money to be made there. Let's let
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business do what business does. The problem is, we don't
have any checks and balances on it at all for society,
let alone for government. And the more AI and I use,
by the way, I use full disclosure. I use chat
GPT every day and gus it has revolutionized my business life.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
It does makes life good, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
It doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, I will have to meet with somebody who's
cantankerous and cranky and maybe doesn't like me, or doesn't
want to talk to me, or doesn't like my business
or whatever, and I will put an email into chat
GPT and I will tell it this person is that's
receiving this email is like.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
This they I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I will and I'll be like, write this that appeals
to them to get their attention to get me the
meeting and it's happened, and it's like boom, boom boom.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It works, dude, it's powerful.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
But I also can tell that if I get too
far into it, I'm gonna lean on it too much, right,
And it gets a little scary.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But here's a crazy story.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So in Riverside, California, there was a spate of car thefts,
high end cars like Ferraris, Porsche, Bugatti, Lamborghini, and there
was a guy who had a Lamborghini and he got
it stolen. With these there were twelve of them stolen
all around the same time, same theft ring, and they
disappear and they are able to retrieve the other eleven
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high end vehicles relatively quickly, but the one they can't
find is this is this Lamborghini that this guy lost.
So anyway, two years go by, this happened in twenty
twenty three. Two years go by, and out of the blue,
he gets a like a message on social media or
email or something, and the message says, hey, are you
going to sell any more of these? Or no no, sorry,
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it says, did you sell this car? Because it's somebody
that's looking for more of these, right, and it's got
a picture of his Lamborghini on it and he's He's like, whoa,
that's my car right, And turns out this this person
is wanting more So I don't know if they were
involved in the crime, or they had bought it, or
they had a friend that wanted to buy one.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Whatever. So they send this picture of the of the car.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So he goes on chat GPT and he enters the
picture and in the picture blurt kind of blurry in
the background not focused on it is another car and
there's a building because it's at a house or a
business or something like that. And so he tells chat
GPT's like, focus on the car in the background that's
not got focus on it.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Focus on that. So they do a chat.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
GPT is able to change the focus and get it
on there, and then they got he's got a license plate,
and then he's able to track down and then he
tells it look at the geography around there, and he's
able to track that down and he's able to actually
then use Google Earth and he's able to actually track
down the exact location that the car is.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's in Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So he calls police and they go and get his
car and they bring it back to him, and I
was like blown away by this, Like what a positive
outcome to that story, and it's in good shape. They didn't,
you know, somebody apparently bought it from the theft ring
and whatever. I don't know how they got it back,
but anyway, So here we have this situation where AI
chat GPT actually I think it was chat GPT was
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it was an AI system that actually goes in there
and finds this stolen car.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Gus, we're good, right, Like that's a great outcome.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
This guy got his car back as a two thousand
cars a really positive.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Outcome, right, yes, absolutely?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Imagine right, yeah, Imagine the car is a woman.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Who has a stalker, and the person using chat GPT
is the stalker, and imagine she is an ID oh
and imagine Okay, so maybe she doesn't have any social
media because people that are kind of like trying to
stay away from stuff, like they usually don't have a
lot of presents on social media.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Be careful, well the pictures you post.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
But that's fine, okay, but the stalker has a picture
of her, and the stalker goes to chat GPT, puts
the picture in and says, find this person on social media,
and you and I both know that even if you
don't have a social media post presence, somebody is going
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to have you in the background of their photos.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So then she goes to Bourbon and Beyond. Okay, hanging
out at Bourbon and Beyond with some friends, and she
just walks past somebody who's taken a selfie, right, and
her face appears in there, and chat GPT goes here
she is, and you go, hey, wait, she was at
Bourbon Beyond in Louisville. Now you have a starting point
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to track that individual down that Because I'm watching this
story and I was like, Wow, what a cool outcome.
And then all of a sudden, I was like, wait
a minute, because I've got a good friend of mine
who used to work for Thomas Massey. It lives down
in Tennessee. But she she wrote the book Stock and Defenseless.
NICKI goes her and her stalker's getting ready to get
out of jail, right, and I.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Started thinking about her situation.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I was like, oh my god, like this is there's
no regulations on this, Gus, there's no parameters on this,
there's nothing that says that. I'm like, whoa wait, a minute.
There's nothing to prevent that from happening.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
What the full capabilities of AI technology, whether what I
just said is currently possible. But if it can track
down a car to a place one thousand miles away,
could it not track down a human being?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
It seems a lot easier to track down the human
than it could the.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Call, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Because all you have to do is skim the publicly available, right,
because you don't even have to, Like people can privatize
their social security, but or they're so security.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
There's social media, but most people just.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Put it out there, and we have faces and photos everywhere.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I'm thinking the movie It's The Fast and the Furious,
and I can't remember which version or one it.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Was, number eighty seven.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It probably they had the thing called God's Eye in it,
where this person in an airplane has access to every camera,
uh seemingly in the world, and all they got to
do is just say show me this, and they can
see everywhere going down the streets just using a camera,
allowing them to coordinate any kind of attack or find
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anything they want.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, ah, and I mean I told you my story
about my stolen plates last week. Earlier this week, I
told you about my stolen plates, and that was the
police again using good outcome, right. I mean, now they
know the plates are stolen, they know where they were stolen,
so they know where to look for it, and then
they won't hassle me. But again, add to that a
political agenda, add to that a criminal agenda. Add to
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that a stalker trying to take trace down an X
or whatever. And the fact that at this moment, as
far as I know, there's literally no regulations against it.
There's there's nothing you can do to stop it. So
for every good side, this is why I say AI
is our Oppenheimer moment for our generation. Right, Like, I
don't know if you've seen the movie Oppenheimer, but it's
phenomenal because it did a good job of capturing that
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tug and pool that was going on at the time. Like,
we don't really want to create this monster, but we
kind of have to because otherwise Hitler will get it.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
We're kind of in that place right now.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
We don't want to create the AI monster, but if
we don't, China will get it, and China will use
it the exact way we fear now, so will we eventually,
but did we buy ourselves some time?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Is the question right? Just a little something to think about.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's one of those things I like to try to
bring solutions when I talk about something. I don't have
the solution to this because the cat's kind of out
of the bag, but beware and be careful. So anyway,
there's a double edged sword there for you. I'm Leland
cale Hey, thanks for let me hang out out for
a couple of days. It's it for me this week,
but appreciate it. In for Tony and Dwight, It's been
(29:41):
an honor and a blast.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Thanks Gus. Always good to work with you. Asking a friend.
Thank you to John Shannon as well for his help.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm Leland Conway, Tony and d White Show, News Radio
eight forty whas
It's Leland Conway setting in for Tony and Dwight News
Ready to eight forty w h as. Joining me on
their line now is Congressman Thomas Massey. What is going on, sir,
Good to hear your voice. Thanks for popping on with
us this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Are you in the tuchow? What shall we Yeah? What
shall we talk about? You're one of my favorite people
in Congress that'll never change. And I want to start
with this. I mean, you're under attack right now. Apparently
you don't like government spending, and apparently the president is
a little bit of it at odds with that, and
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somehow or another, things have gotten into a situation where
you've got people attacking you from the left and from
the right that that's just Tuesday, isn't it for you?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, it all boils down to this. I'm being attacked
for being too conservative, damn it. And there's two there's
two different disenfranchised groups here that are attacking me. Part
of it is the Washington DC machine that's upset that
I won't vote for more debt and more deficits. There
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were some good things in the big beautiful bill, but
ultimately I did not vote for it because it's gonna
blow the budget. It's gonna add trillions of dollars to
an otherwise trillion dollar deficit, and that's a problem, and
all that's gonna blow up in three or four years.
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They've structured this bill so that the tax breaks and
all the spending happens in the beginning, and they say,
in three or four years, we're gonna stop the tax
breaks and we're gonna quit spending so much, and we're
gonna balance the budget. And that's how they got one
over on my colleagues to get this thing through. So
there's some folks upset that I didn't vote for that,
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but they don't have the money to run the ads
against me, So they found some other folks who were
upset with me because I don't vot vote for wars
in the Middle East, and I don't vote for foreign aid.
So there's three billionaires who are funding a super pack,
and two of them are hedge fund managers, and one
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of them is Sheldon Nagelson's wife, who is the casino.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Mogul in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So they're from West Palm Beach, Las Vegas and New York.
Three billionaires running negative ads against me because I won't
vote for the foreign aid and for the wars. And
there's another little interesting twist that this came about. I
don't know if this is one of those things where
you just say, oh, it's a small world.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
But one of the three.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Billionaires who's running the ads against me is in Epstein's.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Black book, and I'm the one.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's introduced legislation to release all.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The Epstein files.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh my word, we should we should talk about that
just a little bit, but just real quick on this. Yeah,
they say you're judged by by who your enemies are, right,
I guess let me let me go back to the
big beautiful bill for a second, and I think you
and I probably had some slight differences opinion on that,
(03:15):
But again, that doesn't waiver my support for you. It's
just we're not always going to agree one hundred percent.
I agree with you in principle. I agree with you
in principle. I was looking at it more from a
pragmatic standpoint of, Okay, what do we have to do
to get it past to get the tax cuts for people?
And then can we do this through recision? So I
guess that would be the other side's argument. What's your
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response to that, Because it sounds like what you're saying is, look,
I just don't trust them at all, which is probably
the right position at the end of the day. But
what's your response to that, Like, we're just being pragmatic here.
We're we're gonna get it all cut, all those cuts
through recision, but we got to get these tax cuts
done now, Like, what's your response to that, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The recisions are billion dollar solutions and the Big Bill
is a trillion are trillion dollar problems, so it's recisions
are billion dollar solutions to trillion dollar problems. The recisions
are great. I voted for them. I want more of them.
I think we should rescind hundreds of billions, not nine billion.
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Nine billion is all that Congress has rescinded. But what's
going to happen is the Big Bill is going to
add three or four hundred billion dollars a year in
deficits over the next three years.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Oh can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Leland Conways sitting again for Tonio Dwight. Congressman Thomas Massey
is on with us.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Congressman Massey. In addition to the billionaires trying to take
you out. Apparently the NSA doesn't like us talking either,
so I.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Don't think so that's the shadowy globalist billionaires.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm telling you, Like what happened, that's literally only ever
happened to us one time before. And I'm like, oh
my god, and you might have been on the air
with us when that happened. So, but we were talking, Yeah,
we we just want to pick up where we left
off real quick. We were talking about the billion dollar
answer to troia dollar problems. I get what you're saying
on that, and it is we have much bigger issues.
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So in your opinion, where do we go if we
don't fix that, if we don't fix that fast, where
do we go?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, we're going to We're already seeing it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
People say, oh, this is going to bankrupt you know,
our country and our grandkids will suffer. People are already
suffering because we're monetizing our debt. We're using the banks
as an intermediary. The Fed loans money to the banks,
and then the banks by the debt from the Treasury,
and the banks get to make a little bit of
money on it. But the problem is it increases the
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money supply. It drives up the interest rates because you
don't have foreign investment in our debt, like they're saying, Oh,
we don't want to buy your debt at four percent.
We need five percent interest because you promised to pay
us back in dollars and you're diluting those dollars. So
we're driving up interest rates to finance all of this
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excess spending. And the Big Bill has over one hundred
it's two or three hundred billion dollars extra spending this
year then it had last year. So that's the problem
with it. I mean, we'll see the proof is gonna happen.
You'll see it's gonna happen, mark my words. This is
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why I wear a debt badge.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I built a little badge that I wear on my
lapel that's a digital display of the debt in real time,
going up and it's taken.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's jumping up and leaps and bounds.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Now I have a hard time keeping the battery charged
on my debt badge these days.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
We've been we've been talking about this the debt for
a long time, right, and the badge has been around
for a long time, and and somehow or another, they
keep propping the system up. How are they doing that?
Because everything you say makes total sense. It doesn't make
sense that we can continue to operate the way we're
operating and not have financial consequences, which you describe those consequences.
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People's wages are getting eaten away by inflationary issues and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But it's being eaten in.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
A way, in a way that most Americans don't feel
it huge. It's kind of like dying slowly over time
from diabetes rather than getting bit by a cobra. Right,
So what is propping that system up to where it's
this long, slow decline instead of a huge crash.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it looks like a perpetual motion machine and you
stare at it and you say, how does this thing
keep going without collapsing? The way it has been going
without collapsing is foreign countries are using the dollar and
they want to spend dollars to buy their things because
their own currencies fluctuate too much, so they use it
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as a reserve currency. And we're able to dilute their
holdings of US dollars by printing more. So if we
print three percent at more dollars in a year, then
we are deluding the foreign holdings, and we're like the
credit card transaction fee at the gas station. You know,
we take three percent of everything around the world if
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they're using dollars. The problem is through sanctions, we're causing
fewer countries to use dollars. Like you know, Russia used
to have seventy percent of their foreign transactions in dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Now it's like fifteen percent.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And also, other countries aren't buying our debt like they
used to, so they're not holding US debt that we
can promise to pay them back in US dollars, so
we can't dilute it and take their money. The music's
going to stop, and we're already seeing that when we
go when the Treasure Treasury goes out to sell treasury bonds,
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the foreign investors are saying no thanks, and we're selling
more of them to institutional investors.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah that makes sense, do you think. Okay, so we
have this dilution of.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Our spending power.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
At some point countries are going to be like, oh,
screw this, We're gonna go to something else. And there
are efforts afoot to make that the case around the world.
When that happens, do we just become a third world country.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What happens, well, I mean that happens, We're gonna there
will be some austerity.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm trying to avoid that situation.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
What would what will happen is we'll probably go into
a lot higher inflation rate because we'll we'll be tempted,
as we are doing now to some degree, to monetize
our debt more right, and you start doing that and
you're not relying on diluting the holdings of foreign countries
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and you're just diluting the holdings of your own American citizens,
then you get into a hyperinflation situation.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But you also get into higher interest rates.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I know the President wants to Fed to lower the
interest rates. Could they lower them another percent and have
some impact act on the private market, you know, the
rate at which you do a car loan or a mortgage.
You know, we could probably go down a little bit,
But the reality is they can't go down much because
otherwise we can't sell our debt and otherwise the banks. Also,
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even though that the FED might loan money to banks
at that rate, the banks aren't going to loan it
out at lower rate. So the control levers for this
centrally controlled economy are now attached with rubber bands that
stretch every time they try to pull those levers.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, I just finished rereading the Creature from Jackyl Island
and it has me scared to death.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do you think that the American people are prepared for
what it would mean to cut the government enough that
we could get out of this, because what we're talking
about is going back to basically, you get police, you
get fired, you get roads, you get bridges, your paw
hooles are filled, and you have some schools. The rest
is up to you, like that's the way it was designed.
Do you think the American people, even conservatives who talk
(10:57):
a big game until you grab their subsidy, do you
think they're prepared for what that kind of government looks
like to get us back on the right footing so
that the free market is actually driving prosperity.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
By the way, the things that you just named, ninety
percent of those are funded by state and local governments
with taxes that don't have debt and deficit spending. So
you know, ninety percent of K through twelve education is
already funded at the local level. So are they ready
for the FEDS to pull out the ten percent that
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causes the states to jump through all these hoops and
hire more administrators and go through regulation. I think there
would be a boom to individuals and the free market
economy if the government quit sucking up all of the capital,
if the government quit regulating the local schools and you know,
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holding out ten percent of their funding as the carrot.
And if you just look at Argentina, what's going on there?
That guy is he's massively cutting government and people they're
not like ready to throw him out. They're having a surgeence,
a renaissance for the first time, you know, their inflation, Yes, they.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And they don't have to carry their money in wheelbarrows, right.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I mean it's like, okay, do you want government services
or do you actually want to keep you know, ninety
nine percent of the check that you make every month,
because then you could afford a lot of things that
government supposedly gives. You Just go to the DMV for
ten minutes and tell me that that works efficiently.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And by the way, so now you have the government.
Don't want to change subjects, but you brought up the DMV.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Sure you have the.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Government taking a ten percent stake in Intel. You know,
the microprocessor manufacture. I wonder if they're going to model
their cash inside of that microprocessor, you know, the memory that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That holds stuff while the processors working.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I wonder if they're going to model that after the
lines at the DMV, Like, can you imagine a computer processor.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That worked as efficiently as the lines at the DMV.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah. I was.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I was sitting here with the other the other day
and my number was five ninety three, and uh they
got to five ninety two and I was like, oh,
I'm next. And then there was about an hour and
a half of calling a seventy one CEO one eighty.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I'm like, what is this? What is this organization? I
don't even know what this is?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
By the way, Yeah, so you don't want government involved
in the manufacture of microprocesses.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
They can only slow it down.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Not good? Not good?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
All right, real quick, before we let you go and
apologize for the technical difficulties I'm blaming the NSA, But before.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We let you in the globalist billionaires.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
There you go either one, both culprits probably the same
people when you pull the mask off like Scooby Doo.
So this the one thing that concerns me. I understand
what Trump is doing. He's trying to make government a
little more efficient, but he's doing this data sharing stuff
and the health sector as well as in just overall
just the data that Americans have that's collected on them,
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and he's pulling it all together using artificial intelligence. And
he's also kind of backing off of any kind of
regulation of artificial intelligence. And again, I understand the sentiment, right,
but boy, put another put the last regime in there,
or the Obama regime in there, and they have the
power that's going to be left behind by Trump with data.
Does that concern you at all?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It concerns me greatly.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
The government is not here to help you, and they're
not going to do anything good with knowing.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So much more about you.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
This is one of the reasons I'm opposed to real ID,
which is going into place right now at the airports,
is because people say, oh, well, they're not collecting information
on you with the real ID when you file to
get a real ID that's the new driver's driver license standard.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
They're not collecting new information.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And I'm like, no, they don't need to collect new
inf They've got all the information on you already and
they're collecting it through other means. What real idea is,
that's your that's like the Dewey decimal system. That's your
index card into that database. That proves that the living
flesh human being who is present, whether it's at a
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gas station or whether it's at a train station, it
proves that that's the same human that they have all
that data on.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And that's the link.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's how they link you to all the stuff that
volunteer and whatnot is collecting.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, that's once that connection is made, then then you
have enormous power to track and manage people.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And one other thing, Yeah, one other lynchpin here.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
It would be the central bank digital currencies, if they
can prevent you from using cash, and if they can
turn off your currency using this data that they have
because your score not a credit score, but your social
score or whatever it gets too low, or you wrote
too many letters to your congressman complaining, that's the lynchpin
that in real I.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
D I think the thing that bothers me about this,
Congressman Massy is that people on our side, you know,
conservatives that I know and love, have immediately dropped their
guard on this because Trump's in office, and I'm like, look,
I don't think Trump's going to try to micromanage our
lives with this information. But we're one step away from
Kamala Harris, We're one step away from Tim Walls. We're
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one step away from Gavin Newsom in the White House.
And Gavin Newsom outlawed parody in California, which I'm proud
to say that on co Goo and San Diego. I
continue to have my parody Gavin Newsom's hair, Twitter name
and didn't get arrested. So cool, But i mean, put
them in charge what happens.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Well. Not to conflate real ID with everify, but this
is one of the reasons I'm against everify. Everify is
basically a computer system where in order to get a job,
you have to ask the government's permission and then they
check your background and say okay. Ostensibly it's to make
sure you're a citizen, but the reality is they're not
going to use it for that. And everify, let's say,
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when Trump's president and it's used to keep illegals from
you know, getting employment. E Verified will become v verify,
and under Democrats, they'll make sure you have a vaccine
before you.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Can go to work.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah, that's why conservatives, if you are a true conservative,
you should resist every effort of the government to grow
into your private life because those pendulum swings.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And by the way, it doesn't swing as much as
you think.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Ninety five percent of the government employees under Biden are
still employed under Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's right, right, it's there.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
They're the elected officials and the appointments. Those are like
a surface nuisance to the deep state. They're like fleas.
They shake them off every four years.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I just we're only several years removed from what they
did to us in COVID.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
People need to remember that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Congressman Thomas Massey, I'm glad we were able to reconnect
despite the worst attempts to take us apart here. Thanks
so much for your time. It's good to talk to
you again, my friend. Keep fighting the fight for freedom.
We appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh he's great being on your show, Leland. Thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
All right, have a good one. Is Congressman Thomas Massey.
By the way, speaking of AI, I've got a story
for you and we'll update you on that shooting in
Minneapolis as well.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's all coming up. Leland Conway in for Tonya Dwight on.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
News Radio eight forty whas It's Tonya and Dwight show.
Leland Conway sitting in. I'm looking at the information. We
don't have a whole lot of details on this shooting
at the Catholic school up in Minneapolis, but it's really
kind of heart rendering to see.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
First of all, it's good that these people have their kids.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But I'm watching a video right now with parents with
their kids and their arms and they're walking away from
the school.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
They've got them. Apparently there were twenty people injured. Two
have lost their lives.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I do not know if that includes the Jackwagon shooter,
but it was the children's first day of all school
masks that started at eight am, and the shooter opened
fire around eight twenty and the church was full of children.
I'm just gonna reiterate this. If you are if you
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are a member of a church, if you're a pastor
of a church, if you are an administrator at a
religious school or a synagogue, you got to have a
plan in place because there is a target on your back.
And for so long in America we have gone with
this idyllic idea that you know, I mean he used
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to be you remember when we watched movies and the
bad guys would do everything but shoot the priest, you
know what I mean, Like you didn't do that. It
was like even the bad guys knew, mess with the church,
You're going to hell? Right like people, that's gone now
that the evil has successfully infiltrated our society to a point,
now that that is a target, they want to go
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after that. It's more sensational to go after children. It's
more sensational to go after religious believers. So if you man,
if you are involved in a church in any way
and you don't have a plan for this, what are
you gonna do if somebody walks in? How are you
gonna handle that situation? And it sucks because you know,
my dad's a pastor, I'm a missionary kid, and I
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grew up in the church.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And and you have.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
People that, yeah, this is the the church is accepting
of everybody. I mean, that's that's the way it always was.
It's like you welcome people, and now we have to
kind of have ah. The church that I attend in
Colorado Springs had a mass shooting some years ago.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And so it's you can.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Even though it was a long long time ago, was
before I even moved out there, there's still a sense of, yeah,
we're we're keeping an eye on people when they come
in the door. You know, it's not fun, but man,
just be aware of that. We also gus. I think
I heard John at the bottom of the hour say
there was a bomb thread at Cholbea County high school.
(21:09):
I'm not laughing at it. It's just here we go
with copycats, right. I don't think there's any they said
in there. They didn't believe there was any immediate danger,
but they're kind of keeping an eye on it. But
that came in this morning, and that's uh. Again, it
might have just been somebody that saw the news and
then said let's do this here, let's do that there.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
But rash of that going on with these swatting calls
around the country over the last week or so.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I was reading about that last night.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Yeah, I know it's difficult to find these people, but boy,
if you do, you need to kind of make an
example you do you do.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
There needs to be a very, very very harsh penalty
for that because it's deadly.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's absolutely deadly.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So all right, I just want to wrap it up
with this one thing I've been itching to tell you about.
So we were talking with Congressman Thomas Massey before the
news there about how President Trump is kind of taking
the reins off of a and I understand what he's
doing from a business perspective. He's trying to deregulate. There's
a lot of money to be made there. Let's let
(22:06):
business do what business does. The problem is, we don't
have any checks and balances on it at all for society,
let alone for government. And the more AI and I use,
by the way, I use full disclosure. I use chat
GPT every day and gus it has revolutionized my business life.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
It does makes life good, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
It doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, I will have to meet with somebody who's
cantankerous and cranky and maybe doesn't like me, or doesn't
want to talk to me, or doesn't like my business
or whatever, and I will put an email into chat
GPT and I will tell it this person is that's
receiving this email is like.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
This they I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I will and I'll be like, write this that appeals
to them to get their attention to get me the
meeting and it's happened, and it's like boom, boom boom.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It works, dude, it's powerful.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
But I also can tell that if I get too
far into it, I'm gonna lean on it too much, right,
And it gets a little scary.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But here's a crazy story.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So in Riverside, California, there was a spate of car thefts,
high end cars like Ferraris, Porsche, Bugatti, Lamborghini, and there
was a guy who had a Lamborghini and he got
it stolen. With these there were twelve of them stolen
all around the same time, same theft ring, and they
disappear and they are able to retrieve the other eleven
(23:24):
high end vehicles relatively quickly, but the one they can't
find is this is this Lamborghini that this guy lost.
So anyway, two years go by, this happened in twenty
twenty three. Two years go by, and out of the blue,
he gets a like a message on social media or
email or something, and the message says, hey, are you
going to sell any more of these? Or no no, sorry,
(23:46):
it says, did you sell this car? Because it's somebody
that's looking for more of these, right, and it's got
a picture of his Lamborghini on it and he's He's like, whoa,
that's my car right, And turns out this this person
is wanting more So I don't know if they were
involved in the crime, or they had bought it, or
they had a friend that wanted to buy one.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Whatever. So they send this picture of the of the car.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So he goes on chat GPT and he enters the
picture and in the picture blurt kind of blurry in
the background not focused on it is another car and
there's a building because it's at a house or a
business or something like that. And so he tells chat
GPT's like, focus on the car in the background that's
not got focus on it.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Focus on that. So they do a chat.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
GPT is able to change the focus and get it
on there, and then they got he's got a license plate,
and then he's able to track down and then he
tells it look at the geography around there, and he's
able to track that down and he's able to actually
then use Google Earth and he's able to actually track
down the exact location that the car is.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's in Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So he calls police and they go and get his
car and they bring it back to him, and I
was like blown away by this, Like what a positive
outcome to that story, and it's in good shape. They didn't,
you know, somebody apparently bought it from the theft ring
and whatever. I don't know how they got it back,
but anyway, So here we have this situation where AI
chat GPT actually I think it was chat GPT was
(25:11):
it was an AI system that actually goes in there
and finds this stolen car.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Gus, we're good, right, Like that's a great outcome.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
This guy got his car back as a two thousand
cars a really positive.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Outcome, right, yes, absolutely?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Imagine right, yeah, Imagine the car is a woman.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Who has a stalker, and the person using chat GPT
is the stalker, and imagine she is an ID oh
and imagine Okay, so maybe she doesn't have any social
media because people that are kind of like trying to
stay away from stuff, like they usually don't have a
lot of presents on social media.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Be careful, well the pictures you post.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
But that's fine, okay, but the stalker has a picture
of her, and the stalker goes to chat GPT, puts
the picture in and says, find this person on social media,
and you and I both know that even if you
don't have a social media post presence, somebody is going
(26:13):
to have you in the background of their photos.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So then she goes to Bourbon and Beyond. Okay, hanging
out at Bourbon and Beyond with some friends, and she
just walks past somebody who's taken a selfie, right, and
her face appears in there, and chat GPT goes here
she is, and you go, hey, wait, she was at
Bourbon Beyond in Louisville. Now you have a starting point
(26:38):
to track that individual down that Because I'm watching this
story and I was like, Wow, what a cool outcome.
And then all of a sudden, I was like, wait
a minute, because I've got a good friend of mine
who used to work for Thomas Massey. It lives down
in Tennessee. But she she wrote the book Stock and Defenseless.
NICKI goes her and her stalker's getting ready to get
out of jail, right, and I.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Started thinking about her situation.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I was like, oh my god, like this is there's
no regulations on this, Gus, there's no parameters on this,
there's nothing that says that. I'm like, whoa wait, a minute.
There's nothing to prevent that from happening.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
What the full capabilities of AI technology, whether what I
just said is currently possible. But if it can track
down a car to a place one thousand miles away,
could it not track down a human being?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
It seems a lot easier to track down the human
than it could the.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Call, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Because all you have to do is skim the publicly available, right,
because you don't even have to, Like people can privatize
their social security, but or they're so security.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
There's social media, but most people just.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Put it out there, and we have faces and photos everywhere.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I'm thinking the movie It's The Fast and the Furious,
and I can't remember which version or one it.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Was, number eighty seven.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It probably they had the thing called God's Eye in it,
where this person in an airplane has access to every camera,
uh seemingly in the world, and all they got to
do is just say show me this, and they can
see everywhere going down the streets just using a camera,
allowing them to coordinate any kind of attack or find
(28:12):
anything they want.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, ah, and I mean I told you my story
about my stolen plates last week. Earlier this week, I
told you about my stolen plates, and that was the
police again using good outcome, right. I mean, now they
know the plates are stolen, they know where they were stolen,
so they know where to look for it, and then
they won't hassle me. But again, add to that a
political agenda, add to that a criminal agenda. Add to
(28:36):
that a stalker trying to take trace down an X
or whatever. And the fact that at this moment, as
far as I know, there's literally no regulations against it.
There's there's nothing you can do to stop it. So
for every good side, this is why I say AI
is our Oppenheimer moment for our generation. Right, Like, I
don't know if you've seen the movie Oppenheimer, but it's
phenomenal because it did a good job of capturing that
(28:59):
tug and pool that was going on at the time. Like,
we don't really want to create this monster, but we
kind of have to because otherwise Hitler will get it.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
We're kind of in that place right now.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
We don't want to create the AI monster, but if
we don't, China will get it, and China will use
it the exact way we fear now, so will we eventually,
but did we buy ourselves some time?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Is the question right? Just a little something to think about.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's one of those things I like to try to
bring solutions when I talk about something. I don't have
the solution to this because the cat's kind of out
of the bag, but beware and be careful. So anyway,
there's a double edged sword there for you. I'm Leland
cale Hey, thanks for let me hang out out for
a couple of days. It's it for me this week,
but appreciate it. In for Tony and Dwight, It's been
(29:41):
an honor and a blast.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Thanks Gus. Always good to work with you. Asking a friend.
Thank you to John Shannon as well for his help.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm Leland Conway, Tony and d White Show, News Radio
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