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August 6, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our number two, the Tony and Dwight Child, brought to
you by the Kentucky Office of Highway Safety. Edgarron is
with us.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Ed.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
How you doing, buddy, Good morning, Ingredients from Shelby County.
Glad to be here today. Thanks for having me give.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Us the shortened version of your history and why you're here.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
All right, First of all, thank you for being here.
Let me be here today and talk to the citizens
and listeners about what's going on in the world so
I can just better inform them, have better understanding of
the things we should be concerned about. And of course
I want to talk about the loss of Extortion one seven.
It's the fourteenth anniversary of the largest loss of life
for US Special Operations Command Forces, many of my teammates
from Seal Team six on a shootdown of aircraft. We'll

(00:37):
talk more about that in a moment.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
That was August six, twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
It was Aaron and basically behind the lines operation in Afghanistan.
And I'm from right here in Valley Station, so I'm
one of you, and I'm out in Shelby County. Come
see us at Galroun Farms.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It was a Chinook helicopter on approach of a landage zone.
Shortly after midnight, Extortion one to seven was struck by
a rocket propelled grenade fired by Taliban fighter. The helicopter
spiraled out and crash, killing all thirty eight and souls,
including your friends, thirty American military personnel, seven Afghan commandos,
and one Afghan interpreter, making it the deadliest single incident

(01:10):
in US forces in the entire war in Afghanistan. Among
the killed were sevent Team members of the US Naval
Special Warfare Development Group commonly known as Seal Team six,
the same unit credited with the operation that resulted in
the death of Osama bin Laden just months earlier, again
August sixth, twenty eleven. Just one damn rocket.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yes, and I will tell you I won't call it
a routine operation, but that was not common for US
to conduct a mission like that at a high level.
What they were doing as they were a quick reaction
for force reinforcing rangers, who are troops in contact going
after a bad actor basically behind the lines, and Taliban
held a territory there in Afghanistan, so they were on

(01:56):
call to surge out when the rangers were challenged under
a firefight. Troops and contact situation, and so they came
in under cover of darkness by design, into a hostile
fire zone and it was regrettable that occurred, largest loss
of life. It's just a dark day for us. But
we want to pay tribute to those families. We owe
them a debt of gratitude and those that were lost

(02:16):
that can never be repaid, only honored by sincere and
genuine gestures of remembrance, as we're doing here today. So
thank you for doing that. Thanks whas, and thanks our
heart radio.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yes, sir, one of my dearest friends long I mean
lifelong friend, is retired Special Forces Army Special Forces. I
do know that it's more more common than not the
bounties are taken out on seals, special Forces, special ops.
Whatever it might be, this was the exact same team

(02:46):
that weeks earlier took out Osama bin Lauden. It could
have been that they were targeted, or could it just
be a by dumb luck that the terrorists did this.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
It seems to be based on the investigations the latter
going anything classified here, Yes, you're right. The ready to
get to some of them in laden in Pakistan was
in May of twenty eleven, and this happened shortly thereafter,
you know, in a far different geographic area, and again
in an engagement with the Taliban vice you know, any
other terrorists. For so the indications are that this was

(03:19):
a function of the combat environment and not related to
the previous operation.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
A lot of people. We'll start with news and notes first,
and then we'll get in some minutia about China and
some other issues with d But I will start with
a couple of days ago, the President had mentioned he
was going to park a couple of submarines somewhere in
the world. I don't know exactly where he had mentioned,
but everyone had an opinion about it. That doesn't really
are in the know. What's the value of the president

(03:46):
mentioning he's doing that.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, of course he's he's played to the world stage
there to let him know he means business. Sure, he's
being decisive. You know, he's confronting them as opposed in
to appeasing them. I will tell you, without say anything classified,
the closest hill and guarded secrets in the United States
of America is the location of our boomer fleet, i e.
The submarines that have the ballistic missiles as opposed to

(04:08):
the fast attacks, So there's two types of submarines. He
didn't specify what kind of submarine the infest was. Those
are boomers, so that was playing to some sprinksmanship with Putin.
So basically the gloves are off and you'll let Putin
know that he's going to play.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Hardball as well.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
But those are very closely guarded with respect to where
those boats are and what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
What's the compared effect inness of the Russian submarine fleet
and the Chinese a submarine fleet and the United States Navy.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, in the unclassified world, the reports are the US
still has a slight lead, but the Soviet slash. I
should say the Russians are very good and have very
high capabilities, and the Chinese are advancing rapidly. But one
place they do have an advantage is the diesel boats
that run on electric batteries. Just like World War Two.

(04:55):
The magic to the diesel boats is they snorkel, They
charge your batteries and then they turn off their engine.
I should they snorkel the charger batteries, turn off their engines,
submerge fully and then can run on batteries. Accordingly, they
are very quiet they can go in very shallow waters
and hide. We no longer have diesel submarines, right, There

(05:16):
are a few in the NATO fleet, as I recall,
and I've operated off of those, and they can do
some amazing things, just like you see in the movie
from World War Two. They can that the larger nuclear
powered submarines can't. But to come full circle, we have
a very capable nuclear powered submarine fleet of fast attacks
and boomers.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
God forbid, this doesn't happen. But let's say that there
is an air strike or some sort of a missile
strike towards Russia. Is there a benefit for having our
boomers that close or could the strike happen from anywhere anyway?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, the way these strategic balance is the strikes could
happen from anywhere anyway. I should. It'll go back and
add another capability we had that is unclassified and has
been and you can see the picture sometimes online some
of those ssg n's that fire not ballistic missiles, but
the cruise missiles are modified to hold uh, some our

(06:09):
mini subs from the seal teams, and we operate off
those a very small percentage of say Peggy, yes, So
it looks it's a mothership type operations. Also think underwater
aircraft carrier where we operate our many subs, A very
small percent of the seals are many sub operators and trained.
I did one of those assignments as an officer in
charge as well.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Okay, let's get to China, let's do Middle East to
what or you want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
The clean up? And four from the last session, I
got to reach out to Bertha. She had the question
about the coons in the corn. Berth I should have added,
you need a big dog. A little dog is not
gonna work. Okay, you need a big dog.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
And someone called it last time it was on and
asked about how do I get the coons Bertha?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Bertha called the coons are in the corn?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, And she had worms under squash as a recall
toward her to get down to the account Extension office.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
A love to help.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
UK's got lots of studies on that. There's nuances to
every sometimes to every county, and so they could help her.
The other thing you had a question about when we
were talking about you know where the where the adversaries
might be and could they be in Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, I'll tell you what i've what I've the Taliban
or isis in Kentucky was the question.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
I would answer, like the adversary will hide in plain sight,
and I would I would say, this is written in blood, Franklin,
and I don't mean to be melodramatic. Never underestimate an adversary.
And let me take that one further. The other thing
we briefly touched on. I didn't have time to expand on.
It was roughly a year ago Juna twenty twenty four.
Eight isis K that had come across the border were arrested.

(07:38):
And here's the three places they were. Los Angeles, Philadelphia,
in New York. They weren't going to Dodgers games. They
weren't going to see the Phillies, right, and they weren't
going to see the Yankees of the Mets. But hold
that thought eight of just a reminder, isis K makes uh.
They make the Taliban almost look like boy Scouts in
terms of how ruthless are And I hate to say that.

(07:59):
Let me strike that from the record. There's great boy
scouts out there, just in comparison of their ruthlessness. Remember,
they're the masters of the suicide, high profile attacks. Isis K.
So eight of them were arrested. And then remember what
had happened just thirty days before that. The Chechenian on
a Sunday, basically in the backyard of an Army Special

(08:20):
Forces colonel outside of Fort Bragg, got his personal residence
not on base. He engaged, confronted, and ended up killing
a Chechenian who was supposedly surveying energy infrastructure.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, I was born at night, but not last night.
And again we won't divoge.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Anything classified here, but after forty years into top secret environment,
I don't believe in coincidences. So you had asked that question,
I would leave this on the table. Never estimate an
adversary right and where they're at and what they're literally
in your backyard, literally in your backyard.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
I hate posing this question, but it seems legitimate. If
terrorists were going to strike you mentioned in New York, Philadelphia, LA.
It seems like with security, those would actually be somewhat
hard targets, large populated events, concerts, whatever it might be.
It seems like Louisville with a big event, or somewhere

(09:15):
in Iowa, those would be softer targeted terrorists, would it not.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
It could be so ergo, they caught those eight, what
are the other ones doing? That's another Remember what we
talked about. We didn't catch the smart one. No report
of those eight some were caught and released.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
And you know, ultimately, you know what they say if
you see one cockroach, So.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You can't you can't underestimate against capability of the adversary.
So with respect to that, I wouldn't discount that. That
that's a possibility as well, because the enemies of thinking enemy,
and too often that is dismissed. We're smarter than they are.
We wouldn't do that. They wouldn't do that. No, don't
remember I mentioned don't do not that you did that.
In fact, that was a very uh insightful what you
just explained there. Don't do mirror imaging or projection and

(09:57):
put your perspective on them.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's the other discussion that we had. I called it.
I called it the twelve day war. You know, after
we bombed I ran then. I don't know if it
was twenty four hours later we had a ceasefire on
and you interrupted me and said, he said, no, no, no, no, no,
it is not a twelve day war. It's more like
a twelve thousand day war. So where we like to

(10:23):
fall Look when if it's not in the headlines, what
do Americans do? We fall asleep on the subject. Yeah,
and clicks, But they're not falling asleep. Where do you
think we are with the Middle East right now?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, thank you for bringing that up and share with
the listeners here. I said, they're just in a different
phase of that war. As you said, it's not a
twelve day war. It's a you know, twelve thousand day war. Now,
remember what happened shortly there, afftert the I told I
put a fatwah for all intentsive.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Purposes of reward.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And then what came out is there were dollar amounts
that were being discussed on the head of President Trump
and others. Then also remember I shared with you, gentlemen,
an unclassified document, a threat warning, a public threat warning
to see in your US military who had served in
Syria and Iraq. Yes, rarely is that ever done, and
in such an open manner, which means they had indications

(11:10):
and warning probably of preparations, indoor plans to take actions
against folks because they have our names, they know who
we are. Remember the colonel with the cheching in in
his backyard.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
That got your attention.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
That got my attention, and that's why I shared it
with you. Gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yes, so tell people what you just said. They they
notified who.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Are senior senior military officials and at a certain rank
in the US military, you're considered a senior public officials.
Because the adversaries know our names, they know who we are,
what what what roles we played in Syria, well all
over the midies, they collect on us. So having said,
even even when we you know, you won't find us
on social media and being flamed point and such. But again,

(11:53):
we have been penetrated by other uh you know, intelligence agencies.
They provide that information to our adversaries and so with
respect to that, they have their lists. It's extraordinary for
the US military to issue warning of that nature to
all senior military officials that had served in Syria and
or Iraq. That's crazy, and that there were potential attacks
and to be vigilant.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, we do a trillion dollars with a business.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And remember that was just that was after the last show,
the context for the listener.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's right, yeah, it was after the last show. And
again this is very unusual.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
And that would be a function. I'd offer back to
the twelve thousand day War that Iran has just gone
to another chapter. Now there's surf, there's they're suffering a
lot of internal angst. It remains to be seen if
there will be a what you would call it popular
I won't use the word uprising, but say a popular
sentiment to change the government there. Because I explained what
gets confusing. Although they have an elected president, the real

(12:49):
you know, leader is a cleric and the iotolin he's not.
He is not publicly elected you, but he reigned supreme
uh it. You remember he didn't blink. He became out
with more bravado after the fact. So I would offer that, yeah,
do not be distracted even though you're not hearing about it.

(13:09):
And you better believe that our intelligence agencies and the
Israelis have not taken their eye off the ball.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, look to me right now. It's the strangest relationship
in the world is the Americans and the Chinese. When
it comes to business. We're doing a trillion dollars of
business back and forth. Either economy could not probably function
really well or to the high level that they are
without the other. So we have that, but they are

(13:37):
They do not have our best interest. They want bad
things to happen to the United States and they're actively
doing that. We're going to take a short break and
I want you to cover what you think is happening
in China and some of this you say gray grey
zone warfare, grey zone warfare. We'll explain what grey zone

(13:58):
warfare is when we come back.

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Speaker 1 (15:55):
You name that tune? In one note, Greg Galiat's gonna
join us. We have egg Galler. I'm still here. We're
gonna do two minutes here, we'll get Greg on you.
You're a baseball guy. No, i'd say football, but watching
base I'm with you. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I'm a part cheesy guy and I'm a big fan
of U of L Cardinals. Go there you goes, Oh yeah, great,
you're you're a terrible part cheesy player.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
I didn't say I was a good part cheese. I
was a fan of par cheesy. I like watching the
good parties of all.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
You didn't even start playing because you thought par cheesy
was a food.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I thought I had cheesey.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, I think you thought I had cheese in it.
So you showed up for the.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
The party, particularly parmesan cheese. That's why that par cheesy.
We're also let down. That was for a little fat.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I mean, you can't get good help anymore.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
I know.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think that's my uncle Bill.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Plus Ed is going to help play reeling in the years. Ed,
I have to divulge that we are thirteen and oh
the last thirteen matches against young John in the studio.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
That may say we're the Navy seals of in the years.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
The jury's out. The jury's out on that.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Okay, Well, some say that those would be me and
Tony that say that were the su Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Before we go to break, I want you to just
give me the shortened version of what the gray warfare means.
What does that term mean.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Military operations other than more it's it's a brinksmanship short
of conducting an act operation or are something that would
initiate a full on armed conflict. So in the context
of that, forces will operate and they won't appear to
be forces.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
The militia will look like a bunch of fishermen, or
they'll look like coast guardsmen are they'll look like constables
as opposed to what they really are.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's great. We'll talk more about that and what's going
on with China when we come back, including with Greg
gelliet Dwight.

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Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm just just a punching bag, is all I am.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh, great, Golliet good call.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Wow, all right, only because I remember not passing my
driving test the first time. Because I didn't parallel park correctly.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh you and everyone else.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So that was nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Oh my god, listening to job talking.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Wow, the shame, Yeah, shame of not.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Working in downtown Louisville for a zillion of years, I
can parallel park.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
R Let's talk about let's talk about three things I love,
but two things specifically at first, tacos and tequila. Yeah,
love that, specifically Gustavo's Tacos too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Gustavo's Mexican Grill is the featured sponsor of our Tacos
in Tequila festival, which will be next Saturday, the sixteenth.
And I want to reiterate this because some people are thinking, Okay,
the Bats are doing this cool tacos and tequila event,
it must be part of a Bats game. No, we
are on the road, we'll be in Gwannette Georgia say,

(19:59):
that's what. We're just opening the doors on a Saturday
when the teams away. It's gonna be from four to seven,
but there's a special VIP experience from three to four
featuring some great food from our forensic Gustavo's Mexican Grill.
And that'll be up in the air conditioned stadium, club
bar and lounge right behind home plate. We can only
handle one hundred and twenty people up there, okay, and

(20:19):
we've getten close to maxing that out, okay. And the
VIP experience is really cool because it includes six tokens.
You'll get your own commemorative shot glass from the event
and sorry number one, but you're also gonna get your
own bottle of Mysterio Dobell tequila, which is personalized. So
we actually purchased our own barrel and we're pulling bottles
from that barrel, so you'll be able to take your

(20:40):
own bottle home. You'll have early entry as I mentioned,
at three pm, access to the club level, and we're
gonna have some great music going on. We have taco
trucks down by the kids playground area. We're gonna have
all kinds of tequila vendors, and the lower bowl around
the main concourse. Should be a really fun first year event.
For more information, to buy your tickets, real simple, just
go to bats Baseball dot com. You'll see information on there.

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And again, it's next Saturday, the sixteenth. Make plans to
join us. It isn't a dult event, So leave the
kids with grandma and grandpa and come out and have
a good time.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I can't believe that we are down to four home
stands after this weekend.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's three home stands, that's it.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
And after this weekend we're gonna be gone for two weeks,
so we're gonna be down to eighteen home games and
not being back home till the.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
End of the month.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Dog Days Tomorrow, Dog Days Tomorrow. Bring your dog to
the game.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Bring your dog to the game Tomorrow night. It's going
to be a fun night. It is a thrifty Thursday,
which means if you're not a dog owner, you can
actually get in for four dollars tomorrow night as part
of our thrifty Thursday package along with four dollars hot dogs,
two dollars pepsis, two dollar popcorn. Here's the cool thing.
We added the four dollar ticket feature. This last home
stand that we were home, we sold out the outfield

(21:52):
seats in less than an hour. That is crazy, so
we've had to expand it and add more seats to
this four dollar ticket promotion. You can get in, you
can eat and have a full meal for less than
fifteen dollars. On Thursday nights.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's crazy Smorrow.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Knights will also be ales for ALS. We're gonna have
our friends from Trelos Brewery there. They're gonna have two
locations set up in the stadium. Portions of the proceeds
from their sale of their craft beer Tomorrow night are
going to go back to our friends at ALS. So
be sure to take part of that Tomorrow night. If
you're at the ballpark Friday night, it's going to be
a really cool night. It's the nine Night. It's our

(22:24):
where we pay tribute to the Negro League baseball that
was played here in Louisville back in early nineteen thirties.
We'll actually take the field in our old Louisville black Caps.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Which was the Negro League. About to ask you what
the name of the team was, the black Caps, and
so we're that's a pretty cool name.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
It's called the nine Night because that is the number
Jackie Robinson wore the one and only year he played
minor league baseball.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
And what night is that? Again?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Tell people Friday night, Friday night, game time seven to fifteen.
Of course Friday night is what game time? Happy hour? Yes,
thanks to iHeartMedia, YEP three dollars can Miller and Light
plus the six dollars so Garita Madness with number one
tequila Friday night, all right, so be looking for that.
And then Saturday Night Pirates and Princess Nights and moms

(23:13):
and dads, grandma and Grandpa's, bring your little kids, bring
your grandchildren. We've got a couple of pirate characters, three
princess characters for the kids to meet, have photographs taken with.
We'll be giving away the bats twenty twenty five cards
set away on Saturday night, plus a big fireworks show
after the game thanks to our friends that are over
at the UA Local five oh two plumbers and pipe fitters.

(23:34):
And then we close out the homestand Sunday afternoon at
one oh five, and like I mentioned, we go away
for two weeks and don't come back home till the
end of August.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, sad night, you drink enough tequila. You look like
Captain Jack wandering around true, Greg Elliott, go to bats
baseball dot com. Only this show can go from bats
Baseball to Chinese counterintelligence. That's what we're doing right now,
Greg Elliott, thanks for coming around. Good day.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Hey listen real quick, let me chase a squirrel, and
you got some time to hang around with us. All
right there, We got.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
To get your cut hey pretty soon?

Speaker 4 (24:08):
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going back to our Ohio river, he said when helps
on the police dive team, the average death was eighteen feet.
He said. The deepest part was around forty feet where
electric wires grow across the river. Zero visibility even on
a bright sunny day. When they open the locks, you

(24:28):
could feel yourself being pulled from the bottom.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
They're locks.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Oh he's sat on the bottle and there's lots of
trees barges, and.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's dangerous right there. You don't know anything about that
as a former seal. All right, So all right, let's
add we talked about gray warfare, and again the relationship
with the Chinese is just so strange. It's a trillion
dollar business with them. We both lean on each other,

(24:56):
but they do not like us, and they want us.
They want had things to happen. You couldn't convince me
any otherwise. What are they up to?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
They're on a long term play. They flipped the tables
on as similar. How do we did containment on the Soviets. Remember,
we ultimately defeated the Soviets by crushing them economically, they
could not keep up. The Chinese have been very strategic
in their approach, and the term that's being used is
grey zone warfare. All and unpacked that in a moment.
Remember the four elements of national power diplomatic, informational, military,

(25:25):
and economic. Economic is the base of all. They're playing
a long game with respect to that to disadvantish us
at every turn. And we could be.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Because they're not. They're communis is not the Russians. The
Russians were socialists and communism the the Chinese are based
on communists, but they're capitalists. What is that called?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Whether they are stragmatists? Okay, what are pragmatists?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
What is the mix?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, they will play money to their favor as part
of their strategy.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Their government builds the plant and then some private Chinese
folks run it.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
To gain an advantage. Just an example is look what
they've done with the rare the rare minerals. Right, they
dominate the war old on a long term strategic play.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And why because it's very dangerous to get those minerals
and we they don't have to play by the rules
that Americans do, which is we can't. It costs billions
to get it in America, but nothing over there.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
And those those minerals are are instrumental. Even more than that,
they're key to national security elements because of what they
provide in terms of capabilities. You have to have those
minerals for certain things in US now national defense capabilities.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And by the way, we have enough of those minerals
to last a thousand years, but we can't get to
it because of our rules regulations.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Okay, well, we'll work through. The good news is reportedly
some of the highest quality materials for the chips have
been found in North Carolina, and we'll see how that.
Why are they still brazen because they're they're unconstrained. That
is not what I'm saying. Why are they and they
are dedicated to rebuilding the China you know of centuries ago,

(26:55):
the Silk Road and so forth and so on, and
and remember we should pay attention to what our as
Aversari say. She has said be ready to take Taiwan
by force by twenty twenty seven. And as we talked
about it before, there's two reasons there. One is for
the prestige of reuniting China so he can maintain power
because it's a police state. They are suppressed, oppressed, all

(27:17):
the above and then some and additionally the chips. The
chips are a key aspect to win in the ai race,
one of the key aspects for that.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Well, the Taiwanese have already said they come, we blow
everything up, and it'll be a decade before you rebuild
and get back up to speed.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
However, Comma, if that can be interdicted by the Chinese,
it doesn't blow up case in points.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh they get chiffee, they blow it up.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
The Chinese have been experimenting with a graphite bomb. Here's
what that graphite bomb does. Okay, it doesn't blow up anything.
It fries all your electronics to shut things down. So
you basically are now paralyzed like an EMP like an
EMP like, And there's some open source materials about that.
So that's a very strategic strike to just paralyze them. Remember,

(28:01):
Taiwan is isolated. They rely on undersea cables and things
that are not flown in but brought in by ship.
The Chinese is part of their grey zone warfare, and
the Russians have been going around with these for lack
of better term, you know, fishing fleets and commercial fleets
and dragon anchors to tear up undersea cables where the
preponderance of data and communications occurs around the world, not satellites,

(28:26):
undersea cables. And that's just one element. So back to
grayzone warfare. Yeah, they've they got a lot of things
in play and they are playing the long game and great,
just to give you a sort of a definitional explanation
of it, describes coercive tactics that fall between routine peace
time diplomacy open military conflict. They include economic pressure, cyber attacks,

(28:47):
paramilitary provocations, information manipulation, legal or diplomatic means short of war.
So they're going to push right up to the brink.
They've been occupying those reefs and rebuilding them into military
and listening outpost all all through the South Pacific over there,
and they've gone toe to toe with the Filipinos. They
have also confronted the Japanese. So they are being very

(29:10):
aggressive and bold and part of that, to your point,
is because we have not countered them. I would call
this not unlike the German the Nazi Germans pre World
War Two. Some things they were doing, and they got
away with and to continue to push, and we walked
right into World War through. Remember the book At Dawn
we slept.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I never in a million years, growing up in this country,
thought we would have a Chinese balloon go all the
way almost across the United over the top of sensitive
areas in America and in it and not be shot
down until it did. I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
We have a vegetable in the giant giant vacuum cleaner,
and I remain hopeful that the administration will release information
on that so the American public understands this and the
listeners the clear and present danger presented to us by
the agression and the stated intentions of China. Don't think

(30:09):
a Pearl Harbor attack to come over here and occupy es,
but to occupy through the Sun Siu and direct approach,
to defeat us globally and flow they become the global
dominant power. And they have incrementally been doing that for
over two decades now. We have been playing checkers, they
have been playing chess.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
It's a little frustrating because it's the brazen act to
do that. It's almost like they're laughing.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
At us that then is calculated. Yeah, and again that's
one of their gray zone actions. We'll fly that balloona Oh,
by the way, it's got a solar array as big
as a football field.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So it can have a lot of power to run.
All of our capabilities include synthetic atheture rajar so we
can see the roof through the buildings and so forth
and so on.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It was phenomenal in terms of that, and that We'll
tell you as a professional military officer and an intelligence officer.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
It was stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
And you better believe if advice was being given behind
the scenes, that cannot be divulged because again we're sworn
to our oath to elect it and appointed officials. What
the options were to bring them down in a precision manner,
in a precise manner, to get the intelligence and also
to not changer the public because I know there was
this oh, we're worried to fall on and kill a
lot of folks and so forth and so on. Well,

(31:22):
I'd give more credit to our intelligence agencies in the
US military about where they would have dropped that thing.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
So when that was going on, I'm just a regular guy,
my average Joe and I was going nuts and you
know what the repercussions you with your background, you had
to be going nuts. It was driving you crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Oh yes, as a dream come true, which is why
I'm on the radio show with y'all. Thank you, because
similar to that, after the Hamas attacks, I was like,
I'll just come on and talk to the listeners and
call balls and strikes as you know, a dairy farmer
from Valley Station. You sent me to the War College.
The thing strategically I gained this experience. I'm going to
talk to the unclassified level. So thank you for letting
me do that. But you're exactly right. We should have
been outraged. It was rightfully.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It was after war, for no question, and they laughed
at us. And thank you for coming on today.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
What can we say one more things? Yes, so we
close out today. Please give thoughts to those that we
lost on extortion one seven. We owe them a debta
gratitude that can never be repaid, only honored by sincere
and genuine gestures of remembrance. As we honor their memory
for eternity and their families for what they did, Let

(32:27):
us be worthy of their sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Well said the perfect ending right there, and what we'll
come back after this. I don't want to say anything
after Good News Radio forty w HS
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