Bringing Back Fussy. Bill Walton. Power Play? A Chat with Don McLean.

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We got a birthday boy? Righthere? Is this this off center?
Was this off center field? Yes? I think so. It's old man
down the road. John Fogerty isseventy nine today. It was a huge
CD. That was huge. Ohboy, I would have thought that he
would have been every bit of eightytwo if you would said how old was
Fogerty? Is he a jerkers thatthe other guys that are jerks? Which

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is here? Not sure? Whatif I type of He's just an old
Fogerty? Oh nice carrect, doesn'tmatter making the jokes two dollars out of
the bad jokes? Can I justgive you my high pot moose on the
situation? Surely Oki dokie if youask me. I think that probably John

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Fogerty was just too fussy for him. I'm bringing back fussy. I'm telling
you, I just can't say fussy. You have to have it like you
have to say a fussy. Ihave to give a little thie to lisp
it at the end. Fussy.Is that a band name? Bringing back
fussy? Oh my gosh? Isit? Yeah? Do we have to
know it's gonna get an album?We got to come up with some better
it's not bringing back fussy, it'sbringing back fussies. And that we mainly

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start to keep the track of thealbum covers. How about fussy Britches?
Uh, yeah, fussy breeches.Is it fussy britches? She was fuzzy
Bridges. Fuzzy Bridges. And Iused and I used to because I copied
it from Glenn Campbell used to callpeople whistle Bridges. Yes, hey,

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hey, whistle Bridges, get overhere. I might bring back that too.
Women love that. Hey, Sorifussy, Hey brit so fussy west
Bridges. What do you mean sofussy for? What do we land on?
I can't even get mad at theperson when they shuffle through the kitchen
and go, what are you sofussy for? Now? I'm not mad
anymore? No, I know,it's like, damn it, I can't
be mad. She said, she'sso cute saying fuffy. Uh what do

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we land on with the fussy bandname? What is it? Reincarnation of
fussy? No? No, bringingback fussy? That might be an album
title. Actually, I don't knowif it's a band. I two sad
notes. Oh gee, thanks,you're welcome. Uh A guy that's been
in the studio several times. Oneof the most famous basketball players of all

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time passed away this weekend. Yes, he also started a store named Walmart.
No, and his bedroom was rightnext to John Boys. Now that's
true. Bill Walton one of thegreatest basketball players of all time. But
he made he made himself even morefamous later because he was such a hippie

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because he played at UCLA in thesixties for John Wooden and he got involved
in the uh you know, theherbage, the drug scene, correct,
uh marijuana, and he did notwasn't shy about that. His vocalebulary was
a lot of several syllable words thatDwight and I probably couldn't understand. But

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he was great. Denny Crumb Discovery. Denny Crumb was an assistant coach at
UCLA. He went to see BillWalton in high school. He went back
to Wood and said, I justsaw the greatest high school basketball player I've
ever seen. And I'm reading forRick Bousch's report that said Wood and said,

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don't say that again. And hewent to see him and then quietly
leaned over to Crumb and said,no, you're right. Denny, by
the way, blamed his vegetarianism forhis knee problems. It probably was true.
He did have these problems even thoughhe won two national titles. He
won two NBA two titles with twodifferent teams. Who was with Portland and
then he won one with Larry Birdat the Celtics. One of the greatest

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players of all time. Secondly,two time PGA Championship champion Grayson Murray has
passed away. I saw that Susantold me about he played Friday, played
sixteen holes Friday at the Charles Swabtournament and then just walked away and forfeited
and said, I'm pulling myself fromthe tournament. And they committed suicide that

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night. Sometimes, so I lookedit up. I said, what are
I said, what is the percentageof suicide between male and female? Right?
Because I read this story, Imet you more women try at,
the more men succeed at. That'sexact thing, Ding, Ding, That's
exactly what I found out. Thatsome suicide rates because it's hard, because

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it's a worldwide deal. Right,it's not just America. But they say
have some rates that say it's twoto one men to women, and some
of them are as high as threeto one men to women. I was
listening to a Billy Graham sermon overthe weekend, and this was an a
eighties sermon, and he was givingstatistics on suicide. Yeah, and the

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time America was the leading country withsuicide. This is how much we dwarfed
twenty four other countries. We themcombined, We doubled their sude, No
way, Germany. Yeah. ButI got to tell you, you never
know what kind of burdens somebody's carrying. For example, my father had no

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idea when I was fifteen. Bam, it just happens. I've had lots,
not lots, but I've had afew friends hit the exit button.
You'll never know what's going on.Okay, I say, I want to
say this though, real quick.If you're contemplating suicide, if it's even
on your radar, nine eight eightnine eight eight, is that's suicide?
Christ That's it right? Okay.I say that also to say I looked

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it up because Dave and Dwight.I'm reading this story and I have no
idea whether this is true or not, because it sounds like he's on the
sixteenth hole doing his job and hejust decided I'm done right, Like men
decide. If men just decide,well, I'm gonna do it, they
just do it, right. Yeah, women tend to be deeper thinkers and

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they kind of I wanted to lookit up, but it sounded like when
I read this story that Grayson Murraywas playing sixteen holes at Charles Swab and
on the sixth seventeenth al he's like, he walked off the course. It
goes back to his hotel. Hekills himself. So I said, I
bet you. I said, Ibet men commit suicide higher than women because
men, you know us, we'reblack and white, we're linear, We're

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just okay, I've decided and I'mjust gonna go do that. I pray
for his family. Their family iscrushed. They knew he had some alcohol
issues and other mental issues. It'sbeen struggling with it obviously his entire life.
But we do these stories again ato bring light to suicide and because

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there's some more families to deal withit. And you understand, and nine
eight eight is the number. Nineeight eight is a suicide, uh,
and crisis. You have to becontemplating suicide, but you could be just
a crisis mentally. Nine eight eighteasy to remember a lot of people are
still without electricity. I am outof electricity, still working on it.

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Uh Elmwood Avenue, Matthews. Sowe were three days. Let me tell
you. It was fun for abouttwelve hours. Yes, and now three
days later, I'm like, dude, all right, so this wild piss
my wife off. We are supportiveof the lgn E community. Yeah,
this show does support the LGE community. This pissed my wife off. But

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do it anyway and it would pissher off because like people took you seriously,
this is one percent joke. Ohboy boy, that always helps Wait
no, there always helps you waskiddy. She would never do this,
she would never ever do this.She is a Kentucky state legislator. Stop

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no integrity, I no, stop, I don't think. But here's what
I Here's what I told you yesterday. I said, you know what,
if I were a legislator, Isaid, I would call what are the
people to come and and and theytry to uh talk to you on behalf
of their organization lobbyists. I said, if I were, I said,
I know you're not, but ifif I were at Kentucky State representative,

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I would reach you out to anLGED lobbyist and go you know what I'm
I'm working on funding for yall programs, but I wanted to do it this
weekend by my electrics out, myinternet one hundred percent of joke. All
right, now, it's all right. So we were out for five hours.
Oh I hate you. Go foryou. We got for you.

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Ours is still out three days later, again, it was fun. I
even posted a picture of us onthe back deck on Sunday night after twelve
hours of the electricity being out,thinking this is kind of nice. No
Netflix, no Internet, We're justgoing to spend time together. Well,
three days later, it's it sucks. Man. I don't know how many
times I've walked in a room andflipped the light switch on. Oh no,
dude. I'm like, oh dude, I must have invited you all

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over to stay with us. Andif it was one time, it was
fifty, it was fifty people.Five people passed away. Changing the subject,
five people are dead. So inKentucky alone, Uh, there were
thousands of lines down. They're stilltrying to get to them. So the
LG and E community is doing fantastictrying to work it out. Well,

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they worked their way to Saint Matthews. Do you think do you think that
the lg and E line workers likeus referring to them as the lg and
E community. I think I thinkthey do. I think commercials that way.
We are we are, we arethe lg and E community, and
we're here for you. You thinkit wouldn't be better though, if instead
of like I don't know, FrankDishman or whoever the guy is is in

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charge of elgeny and put it insteadof putting Frank out there on the for
the press, as we hear linemenof the county. That's why they That's
why they had the little But yeah, have Louis. The lightning Bug conference
was everybody's so gloom today? Ithink because I have powerly, I think

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Louis gingder fluid too. Yes,right, because you can't really tell if
he's a girl bug or a girlbug or a man bug. In the
bedroom, you know where I'm finishedbecause my butt lights up. Ew Okay,
that's enough. Well right now,the butt is not lighting up at
forty seventy five Elmwood Avenue. Ohthat's not true. My light My butt

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lights up no matter what. Yearsago I talked to an lg and E
guy, after my fence got caughton fire? Did he say, S
don't think? I said, what'sthe deal? I said, I always
see these pike Indianapolis pike singing andhe said, I talked about that last
hour he said. He said,no, it's it's cheaper for lg and

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E to contract those guys into higherfull time people. I said, I
get it. I get it.So he used to have hundreds of crews.
Now they have about seventy, andeverybody share. So that's why you
had a lot of Ohio and Tennesseepeople coming in town to help us get
our lives back on. So we'llfigure it out. Maybe they can drive
kids to school, Yeah, nodoubt. Yeah. But I saw the
other day where a guy is hestarted his own small business. He was
a school bus driver j CPS andhe goes, I'm going and he's going

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to go into his own neighborhood andsay sixty bucks a week per cot child
until his bok his buses are full. He's got one or two buses and
he's gonna he's gonna do it himself, and these people are gonna pay him.
The kids, the parents are gonnaPam, I'll take your kid to
school and I'll pick them up anddrop them off at the same damn time.
I'm not allowed with him five hundredfeet of them. What kind of

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liability do you have there? Orno? Yeah, no, kidd right,
ummm, well that's a good polse. Hey, they were gonna hire
you as a driver, Dave,but until morning they just recalled that off.
He can't even stop his car.Well out hitting the Catholic Education Foundation
for former employee, former employee,former employee of the Catholic People. So
maybe it was subconsciously away hit him. I wonder if the Catholic People's Society

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is going to hold that against us. Now, well we might because I
host a lot of their stuff.Well I might have to get up there
and go, well, we weregoing to help this amount of kids,
and now this year we're not becauseDave hit Dave hit Jim or whoever his
name is. All right, Idon't know if you saw this. The
raven in Saint Matthew's is closing sawthat, like what the hell? Nothing

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survives there for some reason. Well, once you had the hell of a
run again, I'll say my piece, Hey, we're going to open up
a twenty thousand square foot bar restaurant. Awesome. How many parking spots you
need? At least seven? Yeah, I had to tell you man,
it is a cool bar. Yeah, but they always have those real the
the authentic Scottish or Irish bands.It's cool, man, But there's a

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reason I'll go there. Or theHighlands. There are the Highlands. There's
no parking. Oh come on,no, seriously, what sport? Park
across the street and walk across ChelburneRoad along with you, like you're going
to find a parking spot across thestreet. You will. That restaurant has
been closed for years, that onethat used to be BBC. Yeah,
it's not open. That's how oftenI get there. Yeah, no doubt.

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Drake's has been completely redone seats twicethe amount of people. Now.
I park and Lewis Straub is thebank president. Oh you park an Independence
Bank, Independence Bank. It wasso park. I park in Lewis Straub
spot and I put I take likea piece of paper and I just write
and mark her mister bank president.I put it on top of my ead.

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I will say this. I likehim a lot. I will say
this after Jackie became Sat Matthew CityCouncil. You don't realize how much Indians
Independence Bank and him. They areinvolved in Saint Matthew's like crazy. They
go out every Saturday, every otherSaturday and clean up everything up. They
sponsor everything. It's crazy. Myfriend Cindy works there too, She's good

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people there. Oh that's nice Cindy. So the raven is closing, So
it's I think they're gonna go throughGosh, I don't know what the day
was, you know, just notre signing the least by the way,
They're just like, look, we'vewe've come to an end. So Girstals
is the NFL bar for the MinnesotaMinnesota Vikings. So it was the Ravens,
the Ravens, Baltimore Row. TheRavens were how do you wait,

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who is Packers? Packers are overin? So how do you not put
the Ravens fans in the Ravens becauseRavens probably already had a bar. They're
soccer there, Yeah, soccer Ravens. Yeah, Hey, Dave, you
know where you play soccer on thepitch? Your damn right, you play
it on a You know what Ilike? I like not knowing what kit

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they're gonna wear. They're wearing auniform. It's gonna be it's gonna be
a different and we're gonna have acelebrity kit. I wonder what the kid's
gonna look like. You mean theT shirt? No, no, the
kit. The problem is they getso upset when you don't say it.
It's just like if you didn't getupset, we wouldn't do it, Like
we'd stop doing it if you justsaid, oh, it just went along

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in the conversation like you understood whatwe said, which you know you so
we said, we said field,right or uniform. So when you stop
and get upset, it makes usdo it again. I said, we
downgrade him from field to yard.Oh wow, now the players are taking
the yard. Oh that's exactly right. What do you call it when you
score? Oh? Wait, ohthey don't. All right, Dave,

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you're on a roll today. He'strying to get money together to fix his
truck, but because he apparently doesn'tknow, when he yields signed me and
it busted his headlight. According toblue Book, that means the headlight has
totaled his car headlight and bumper.Oh well yeah, oh sorry, buddy,
I already looked up the bumper.It's about eighty five bucks. You've

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got all your cars totally. Dave'sgot the but he's you could tell he's
pissed because he has that pristine car. Like if you get in it,
you're like, did this just rollout of the did you buy this off
the the assembly line? But it'sreally helped. What year is it?
Twenty fourteen, two thousand and six, Oh, I'm sorry, two thousand
six one, two thousand and six, call right, escape, escape,

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escape, so three thousand minds,Me and my friends. Me and my
friends never ever did this the Junkyards. But if we did do things to
Junkyards back in the early to mideighties, here's what we would have.
If we would have we go inand say we needed a bumper for a
two thousand and six FOURD escape.We would go get one off one of
the cars in the Junkyard and wewould walk up with that in our hands

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to the front office and go,hey, do you have a front bumper
for a FOURD escape? And theywould go no. Then we just walk
out with They never wanted to helpyou. Do you have a carburetor for
a seventy six buick. It's rightthere in our hands. I don't think
so. Okay, well, thankyou. How do you make a living
here? How many times you dothis? For sure? At least three?

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Oh my god? Allegedly allegedly allegedlyallegedly it's so funny. Well,
the people that work inside those littlehunts in the day, they care so
much. They're so engaged. Yeah, they always got they got the sign
behind them that's cover degrease. Itsays something like, uh, if you
got a plane, see our complaintdepartment. Yeah, miss wait. Her

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fresh name is Helen. Go toHelen Wait. And then there's a doverman
sitting there slobbering, yeah, chunkyard. No. Then do we have Christian
Brothers. Christian Brothers roofing on myown roof the other day and I was
like, I gotta have them comeover and look at this. Uh,
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They are the best man. Mynephew works for him. They are
moving a little bit. They're stillgonna be in Middletown. Uh, but
they're gonna have a new office heresoon because they are expanding. They do
so many roofs because they do themin one day. The equipment gets there
the same day. So you everhave someone they're they're dropping off the shingles
and all the materials. A weekout. You're like, dude, I
need a drive park in my driveway. They show the stuff, shows up,

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they show up, they do theroof. My mom's roof is on
before one pm that day. It'sa smaller house, but they rocked it
out. So he also did subsidingwork for and put in new gutters.
Christian bro Roofing. Christian bro Roofing, give them a call at two four
four zero two zero eight. Backafter this on News Radio eight forty w

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a chance as we hear the brandnew and you heard me right brand new
Don McClain from the album American Boys. This is Gypsy Road, one of
the singles on I welcoming in rightnow. Hey, Don, how you
doing man? Well, I'm doingjust great. I'm very happy to be
with you, and I'm very happyto be talking to Louisville, the home

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of Muhammad Ali, one of myfavorite Yeah, dang right down, listen,
man, I want to talk toyou about this new record and find
out because look, the new recordcame out, we reached out and you're
gracious enough come on. First ofall, thank you for coming on.
But the song we just played,Gypsy Rose. From what I understand from

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hearing the song, it's basically,it's a hobo that falls in love with
a woman. She treats him well, but then her treating him well makes
you want to hit the road?Is that pretty close on par? If
you heard originally the song the DanvilleGirl, it's an old hobo song and

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it's the same idea as what youjust said. Uh. And I wrote
the This is a song Dipperman hadstarted, and I wrote the lyrics,
and for some reason, I justI think I thought about that other song
when I wrote it. This isyou know, everything's going great, and
you know we're everything that's good andeverything that they don't that road called and

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and and Man, there are peoplelike that, and I, to some
degree, I am one of thosepeople. You know. I I've been
on the road for fifty five yearsthat I like to move around. Yeah,
wow, Okay. I don't likeit when things I don't like it
when things get too predictable, rightright right? You know, I don't

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like that's talking to singer song aroundmusician Don McClain. We're talking about his
brand new album, American Boys.Uh, it just came out. Get
American Boys all place where you canbuy albums. But I gotta I gotta
talk about this record, man.It Uh from what I understand, it
was four years in the making.I'm assuming that started at COVID or maybe

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beforehand. But well, I didn'twant to make I didn't want to make
any more records. I'm, youknow, tired of doing all that.
I got so many of them outthere that who notices, you know,
I really well Anyway, Dipperman,my guitar player, is a great slid
guitar player and also writes songs andhas had recordings by Garth Brooks and to

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Trace Adkins and many many others.He said, you know, I got
some songs. You want to lookat him? You can maybe I can't
write netting. I said, youwant to see if you can fool with
him. I said, oh yeah, I'll do anything. Right now,
I'm so bored and so I'm notwriting anything. So one of them was
this Gypsy Road. I know ifit was a gypsy road or Gypsy something,

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and I kept fooling with it,and he gave me, I guess,
about five songs, and they sataround in my head for a couple
of years, you know, Ididn't really know, and then one day
I had it. I knew exactlywhat the melodies were, I knew how
I wanted to rewrite the lyrics.I had it exactly the way and put
it all together, and then Iwrote five. I wrote six to seven

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more songs, and then we hadan album. So what I do is,
then let's say I have a songlike American Boys. I tacked my
guitar and I put my phone andI record with my guitar singing the song,
and I'm bashing away on the AmericanBoys. You know that's pretty good.

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And then I send it boop justlike that to my producer in Nashville,
and he comes up with the trackand using my temphlet of what I
sent him, and then we workwith that, and then I redo the
vocal and redo the guitars and dobackground stuff and everything, and one song

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after another. That's how we didit. And but we had to find
special people for like the MEXICALI galor for like you know, we had
to find a really good electric bassplayer, and we found this lady who
Alison Prestwood, who lives in Nashville. Man She a great player and you

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listen to her on Resurrection man orI Shall Find My Way and she swings.
He really does beautiful. I gottaask let's go back to nineteen seventy
one. I'd be remissit and askyou about American Pie. It's nineteen seventy
one. You're right, you producerelease American Pie and Don, I gotta
tell you all hang on, letme interrupt you. Don. We all

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got started in rock music, andI want to thank you because we were
in rock music in the nineties,early nineties, late eighties, and you
your song, which was obviously anAmerican classic, but gave DJs like us
eight and a half minutes to goto the bathroom or smoke a cigarette outkay,
because it was eight and a halfminutes. And my question is,
I bet you most of your peoplesaid, don't, you can't, they're

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not gonna get radio play because it'seight and a half minutes long, But
you went with it anyway. Idon't you know. What happened to me
was completely out of my control.My record company went up, went Billy
up. After Tapestry I had madethe American Pie album was ready to come
out on that label, it wentbankrupt. So I was figured. I

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figured that album would never see thelight of day. And then United Artists
came in and bought the label andbought that song and bought that record.
He gave me a lot of moneyand more than I'd ever seen in one
spot and put that thing out asa short, little single and it immediately
went to number one. And thenpeople who bought the album called the stations

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and said, that's not the song. Oh wow, a half minutes,
and so they took the then theywould then they decided on a two sided
single, and then they would takethe album and go into the booth when
they played the top forty and playthe album cut. Because they still didn't
have vinyl that, you know,small vinyl that you could sell you could
put eight minutes on one side.So it was like it was like in

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the age of the Model T whenyou think now you know and yeah,
yeah, and yet it sounds asit sounds as good as ever today.
It really does. And that waswhen we were on Classic Rock radio.

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I got to tell you one ofthe most requested songs. But let's let's
stay on American Pie for a second. You may mentioned it was a radio
edit first that that hit. Butif you, if you ask me,
we're starting to see the mortality ofall of our rock legends right now as
they pass away. But rock androll, in my opinion, never took
a hit as hard as The DayThat the Music Died? To What affected

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you and what got you inspired towrite this, uh, this song?
Don, Well, I'm going tosay this and I'll answer your question,
but I want to tell you there'sthis documentary movie, The Day the Music
Died, The Story of Don McClain'sAmerican Pie. You can buy it on
Amazon. You can stream it onParamount Plus. It was up for an

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MTV Award last year against Young Peopleand Selena Gomez one, but it was
up against you know, four otherthings. So it is it is,
I say it with all humility,a major documentary about a single song,
perhaps one of the best ever made. And can I pause you right there,
Don for you one second? Becausemy wife I told her, look,

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we're gonna be interviewing Don McClain.I listened to Don McClain music for
a couple of days exclusives just andso she went and she watched the documentary.
I planned on watching over the weekendand we've lost power all weekend.
But she said, this Don McClain, She says, this Don McClain documentary
was about as fascinating as it getscool. Yeah, And I don't really

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I didn't want to make it.I don't want to do anything really.
Anybody tells me you want to makea new record, I don't want to
do that, to say you wantto make some fail not really, you
know, I just want to kindof be left alone, you know.
But he's people kept pressuring me,and so they said, well, I'll
give you two interviews. So Idid, and then they kept and I
saw the stuff they were doing andI thought, wow, they've got film

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footage for every single minute I'm talkingabout from nineteen sixty eight, sixty nine,
all that way before. So I'mthinking, we'll get to my house,
we're going to do one more interview, because I said I'll do a
third one. And I said,you know, boys, you're missing the
point here. This is great movie, but you completely missed the boat.

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Because people want to know what thelyrics are about. So I said,
I'm going to take my guitar andI'm going to tell you I'm going to
start. I couldn't remember all thewords. I was asking them how did
that go? And then but Iwas doing it, and I woulday,
this is what I meant when Idid this, is what I meant when
I said that this, this,this, And so there were some things
that meant three things, and therewere some things that were just thrown in

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there that meant nothing. Wo therewere things that were yeah, that was
stuff that you have to see it. And and then then you know,
I reviewed. I told them thatthe Sacred Store was the house of music
in Urashelle, and so you knowthe music. It starts by me going

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there and ends by me wanting themusic at the end. And this is
all subconscious, because you know,so much of it is circular. It
has to come back to the beginningbecause that gives you a satisfying dramatic feeling.
And what I'm working toward is drama. Really, you know what am

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I? What am I? Howdoes this story work? So that dramatically
is effective as a piece of art. And a lot of it was subconscious
and I threw everything in there andhad so much fun writing it, never
thinking that it would ever even Oh, and then I was making the second

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record, American Pie, and Iwanted this producer named Ed Freeman, and
now I was I was still withMedia Arch Records, who hadn't gone bankrupt
yet because, as I said,we had the album made at the time.
They did and they said we don'twant him. I said, I
gotta have him. Derided to fightthem to get Ed. Then they give
my stuff to Ed. Ed doesn'tlike my stuff or me very much.

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So now I'm going to fight Edto like me and to listen to myf
So finally I get this guy andwe get in there and things are not
going well, and we get alot of other songs they are going great,
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