August 27, 2025 • 17 mins
Congressman Thomas Massie (KY-04) is sometimes at odds with President Donald Trump, usually pertaining to federal spending.
Guest host Leland Conway had a wide ranging chat with Rep. Massie - interrupted for a few minutes by cell service disruption - but rejoined in time to cover all of the topics both parties intended to address.
Guest host Leland Conway had a wide ranging chat with Rep. Massie - interrupted for a few minutes by cell service disruption - but rejoined in time to cover all of the topics both parties intended to address.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean, you're under attack right now. Apparently you don't
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like government spending, and apparently the president is a little
bit of it at odds with that, and somehow or another,
things have gotten into a situation where you've got people
attacking you from the left and from the right of that.
That's just Tuesday, isn't it for you?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, it all boils down to this. I'm being attacked
for being too conservative, damn it. And there's two there's
two different disenfranchised groups here that are attacking me. Part
of it is the Washington DC machine that's upset that
I won't vote for more debt and more deficits. There
(00:44):
were some good things in the big beautiful bill, but
ultimately I did not vote.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
For it because it's going to blow the budget.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's gonna add trillions of dollars to an otherwise trillion
dollar deficit, and that's a problem, and all that's going
to blow up in three or four years. They've structured
this bill so that the tax breaks and all the
spending happens in the beginning, and they say, in three
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or four years, we're going to stop the tax breaks
and we're gonna quit spending so much and we're going
to balance the budget. And that's how they got one
over on my colleagues to get this thing through. So
there's some folks upset that I didn't vote for that,
but they don't have the money to run the ads
against me.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So they found some other folks who were upset with
me because.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't vote for wars in the Middle East and
I don't vote for fore and aid. So there's three
billionaires who are funding a superpack, and two of them
are hedge fund managers, and one of them is Sheldon
Nagelson's wife, who is the casino mogul in Las Vegas.
So they're from West Palm Beach, Las Vegas, and New York.
(01:55):
Three billionaires running negative ads against me because I don't
vote for the foreign aid and for the wars. And
there's another little interesting twist that this came about. I
don't know if this is one of those things where
you just say, oh, it's a small world, But one
of the three billionaires who's running the ads against me
(02:18):
is in Epstein's Black Book, and I'm the one that's
introduced legislation to release all the Epstein files.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Let me go back to the big, beautiful bill for
a second, what do we have to do to get
it pass, to get the tax cuts for people? And
then can we do this through recisions? So I guess
that would be the other side's argument.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, the recisions are billion dollar solutions and the Big
Bill is a trillion or trillion dollar problems, so it's
recisions are billion dollar solutions to trillion dollar problems. The
recisions are great. I voted for them. I want more
of them. I think we should rescind hundreds of billions.
(03:00):
Nine billion, nine billion is all that Congress has rescinded.
But what's going to happen is the Big Bill is
going to add three or four hundred billion dollars a
year in dethicits over the next three years.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Oh can you can you hear me? WILLI? Can you
hear me?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Congressman Thomas Massey is on with us, Hey, Congressman Massey.
In addition to the billionaires trying to take you out,
apparently the NSA doesn't like us talking either, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Think so that's the shadowy globalist billionaires.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm telling you. I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's literally only ever happened to us one time before
and I'm like, oh my god, And you might have
been on the air with us when that happened. So
but we were talking, Yeah, we were.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We just want to pick up where we left off
real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We were talking about the billion dollar answer to troia
dollar problems. I get what you're saying on that, and
it is we have much bigger issues. So in your opinion,
where do we go if we don't fix that, if
we don't fix that fast, where do we go?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, we're going to We're already seeing it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
People say, oh, this is going to bankrupt you know,
our country and our grandkids will suffer. People are already
suffering because we're monetizing our debt. We're using the banks
as an intermediary. The Fed loans money to the banks,
and then the banks by the debt from the Treasury,
and the banks get to make a little bit of
money on it. But the problem is it increases the
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money supply. It drives up the interest rates because you
don't have foreign investment in our debt, like they're saying, oh,
we don't want to buy your debt at four percent,
we need five percent interest because you promised to pay
us back in dollars and you're diluting those dollars. So
we're driving up interest rates to finance all of this
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excess spending. And the Big Bill has over one hundred
it's two or three hundred billion dollars extra spending this
year then it had last year.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So that's the problem with it.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, we'll see the proof is gonna happen. You'll
see it's gonna happen. Yeah, mark my words. This is
why I wear a debt badge.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I built a little badge that I wear on my
lapel that's a digital display of the debt in real
time going up and it's taken.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's jumping up and leaps and bounds.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now I have a hard time keeping the battery charged
on my debt badge these days.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
We've been we've been talking about this the debt for
a long time, right, and the badge has been around
for a long time. And and somehow or another, they
keep propping the system up. How are they doing that?
Because everything you say makes total sense. It doesn't make
sense that we can continue to operate the way we're
operating and not have financial consequences, which you describe those consequences.
(05:46):
People's wages are getting eaten away by inflationary issues and
stuff like that. But we're it's being eaten in a way,
in a way that most Americans don't feel it huge.
It's kind of like dying slowly over time from diabetes
rather than getting bit by a cobra. Right, So what
is propping that system up to where it's this long,
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slow decline instead of a huge crash.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, it looks like a perpetual motion machine. And you
stare at it and you say, how does this thing
keep going without collapsing? The way it has been going
without collapsing is foreign countries are using the dollar and
they want to spend dollars to buy their things because
their own currencies fluctuate too much, so they use it
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as a reserve currency. And we're able to dilute their
holdings of US dollars by printing more.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So if we print three percent.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
More dollars in a year, then we are diluting the
foreign holdings. And we're like the credit card transaction fee
at the gas station. You know, we take three percent
of everything around the world if they're using dollars. The
problem is, through sanctions, we're causing fewer countries to use dollars,
like you know, Russia used to have like seventy percent
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of their foreign transactions in dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now it's like fifteen percent.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And also other countries aren't buying our debt like they
used to, so they're not holding US debt that we
can promise to pay them back in US dollars, so
we can't dilute it and take their money.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The music's going to stop, and we're already seeing that
when we go when the Treasure Treasury goes out to
sell treasury bonds, the foreign investors are saying no thanks,
and we're selling more of them to institutional investors.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, that makes sense. We have this dilution of our
spending power. At some point, countries are going to be like, oh,
screw this, We're going to go to something else, and
there are efforts afoot to make that the case around
the world. When that happens, do we just become a
third world country? What happens?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, I mean that happens, We're gonna there will be
some I'm trying to avoid that situation. What would what
will happen is we'll probably go into a lot higher
inflation rate because we'll we'll be tempted, as we are
doing now to some degree, to monetize our debt more.
And you start doing that and you're not relying on
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diluting the holdings of foreign countries and you're just diluting
the holdings of your own American citizens, then you get
into a hyperinflation situation. But you also get into higher
interest rates. I know the President wants the Fed to
lower the interest rates. Could they lower them another percent
and have some impact on the private market, you know,
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the rate at which you do a car loan or
a mortgage. You know, we could probably go down a
little bit, But the reality is they can't go down
much because otherwise we can't sell our debt, and otherwise
the banks. Also, even though that the FED might loan
money to banks at that rate, the banks aren't going
to loan it out at lower rates. So the control
levers for this centrally controlled economy are now attached with
(09:05):
rubber bands that stretch every time they try to pull
those levers.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I just finished rereading the Creature from Jekyll Island and
it has me scared to death.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Are do you think that?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Do you think that the American people are prepared for
what it would mean to cut the government enough that
we could get out of this, because what we're talking
about is going back to basically, you get police, you
get fired, you get roads, you get bridges, your pawholes
are filled, and you have some schools. The rest is
up to you. Like that's the way it was designed.
Do you think the American people, even conservatives who talk
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a big game until you grab their subsidy, do you
think they're prepared for what that kind of government looks
like to get us back on the right footing so
that the free market is actually driving prosperity.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
By the way, the things that you've just named, ninety
percent of those are funded by state and local governments
with taxes that don't have debt and deficit spending. So
you know ninety percent K through twelve education is already
funded at the local level. So are they ready for
the Feds to pull out the ten percent that causes
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the states to jump through all these hoops and hire
more administrators and go through regulation. I think there would
be a boon to individuals and the free market economy
if the government quits sucking up all of the capital.
If the government quit regulating the local schools and you know,
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holding out ten percent of their funding as the carrot.
And if you just look at Argentina, what's going on there?
That guy is he's massively cutting government and people they're
not like ready to throw him out. They're having a surgeence,
a renaissance for the first time, you know, their inflation. Yes,
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they and they don't have to carry their money in wheelbarrows.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, I mean it's like, okay, you want government services
or do you actually want to keep you know, ninety
nine percent of the check that you make every month,
because then you could afford a lot of things that
government supposedly gives you. And just go to the DMV
for ten minutes and tell me that that works efficiently.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And by the way, so now you have the government.
Don't want to change subjects, but you brought up the DMV.
Sure you have the.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Government taking a ten percent stake in Intel, you know,
the microprocessor manufacture. I wonder if they're going to model
their cash inside of that microprocessor, you know, the memory
that holds stuff while the processors working.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I wonder if they're going to model.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That after the lines at the DMV, Like, can you
imagine a computer processor that worked as efficiently as the
lines at the DMV.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I was sitting there with the other the other day
and my number was five ninety three and they got
to five ninety two and I was like, oh, I'm next.
And then there was about an hour and a half
of calling a seventy one see fifty two one eighty.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I'm like, what is this? What is this organization? I
don't even know what this is.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
By the way, Yeah, so you don't want government involved
in the manufacture of microprocesses.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They can only slow it down. Not good? Not good?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
All right, real quick, before we let you go and
apologize for the technical difficulties I'm blaming the NSA, but.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Before we let you in the global billionaires.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
There you go either one, both culprits probably the same
people when you pull the mask off like Scooby Doo.
So this the one thing that concerns me. I understand
what Trump is doing. He's trying to make government a
little more efficient, but he's doing this data sharing stuff
and the health sector as well as in just overall
just the data that Americans have that's collected on them,
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and he's pulling it all together using artificial intelligence. And
he's also kind of backing off of any kind of
regulation of artificial intelligence. And again I understand the sentiment, right,
but boy, put another put the last regime in there,
or the Obama regime in there, and they have the
power that's going to be left behind by Trump with data.
Does that concern you at all?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It concerns me greatly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The government is not here to help you, and they're
not going to do anything good with knowing so much
more about you. This is one of the reasons I'm
opposed to real ID, which is going into place right
now at the airports, is because people say, oh, well,
they're not collecting information on you with the real ID
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when you file to get a real ID that's the
new driver's driver license standard, they're not collecting new information.
And I'm like, no, they don't need to collect new information.
They've got all the information on you already and they're
collecting it through other means. What real ID is, that's
your that's like the Dewey decimal system. That's your index
card into that database that proves that the living flesh
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human being who is present, whether it's at a gas
station or whether it's at a train station. It proves
that that's the same human that they have all that
data on, and that's the link. That's how they link
you to all the stuff that pollunteer and whatnot is collecting.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, that once that connection is made, then you have
enormous power to track and manage people.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And one other thing, Yeah, one other lynch pin here.
It would be the Central Bank digital currencies, if they
could prevent you from using cash, and if they can
turn off your currency using this data that they have
because your score not a credit score, but your social
score or whatever gets too low, or you wrote too
many letters to your congressman complaining.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's the lynchpin that in real I.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
D I think the thing that bothers me about this,
Congressman Massy is that people on our side, you know,
conservatives that I know and love, have immediately dropped their
guard on this because Trump's in office. And I'm like, look,
I don't think Trump's going to try to micromanage our
lives with this information. But we're we're one step away
from Kamala Harris, We're one step away from Tim Wallas,
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We're one step away from Gavin Newsom in the White
House and Gavin Newsom outlawed parody in California, which I'm
proud to say that on co Goo and San Diego.
I continue to have my parody Gavin Newsom's hair Twitter
name and didn't get arrested.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So cool.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But I mean, put them in charge what happens.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Not to conflate real id with everify, but this is
one of the reasons I'm against Everify. Everify is basically
a computer system where in order to get a job,
you have to ask the government's permission and then they
check your background and say, okay. Ostensibly it's to make
sure you're a citizen, but the reality is they're not
going to use it for that, and Everify as let's say,
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when Trump's president and it's used to keep illegals from
you know, getting employment, e verified will become v verify,
and under Democrats they'll make sure you have a vaccine
before you can go and work. Yeah, it's that's why conservatives,
if you are a true conservative, you should resist every
effort of the government to grow into your private life
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because those pendulum swings, and by the way, it doesn't
swing as much as you think. Ninety five percent of
the government employees under Biden are still employed under Trump.
That's right, right, it's there. They're the elected officials and
the appointments. Those are like a surface nuisance to the
deep state. They were like fleas. They shake them off
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every four years.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I just we're only several years removed from what they
did to us in COVID and people need to remember that.
Congressman Thomas Massey, I'm glad we were able to reconnect
despite the worst attempts to take us apart here. Thanks
so much for your time. It's good to talk to
you again, my friend. Keep fighting to fight for freedom.
We appreciate you always great being on your show, Leland.
Thanks for having me on. All right, have a good one.
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Is Congressman Thomas Massey.
I mean, you're under attack right now. Apparently you don't
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like government spending, and apparently the president is a little
bit of it at odds with that, and somehow or another,
things have gotten into a situation where you've got people
attacking you from the left and from the right of that.
That's just Tuesday, isn't it for you?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, it all boils down to this. I'm being attacked
for being too conservative, damn it. And there's two there's
two different disenfranchised groups here that are attacking me. Part
of it is the Washington DC machine that's upset that
I won't vote for more debt and more deficits. There
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were some good things in the big beautiful bill, but
ultimately I did not vote.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
For it because it's going to blow the budget.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's gonna add trillions of dollars to an otherwise trillion
dollar deficit, and that's a problem, and all that's going
to blow up in three or four years. They've structured
this bill so that the tax breaks and all the
spending happens in the beginning, and they say, in three
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or four years, we're going to stop the tax breaks
and we're gonna quit spending so much and we're going
to balance the budget. And that's how they got one
over on my colleagues to get this thing through. So
there's some folks upset that I didn't vote for that,
but they don't have the money to run the ads
against me.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So they found some other folks who were upset with
me because.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't vote for wars in the Middle East and
I don't vote for fore and aid. So there's three
billionaires who are funding a superpack, and two of them
are hedge fund managers, and one of them is Sheldon
Nagelson's wife, who is the casino mogul in Las Vegas.
So they're from West Palm Beach, Las Vegas, and New York.
(01:55):
Three billionaires running negative ads against me because I don't
vote for the foreign aid and for the wars. And
there's another little interesting twist that this came about. I
don't know if this is one of those things where
you just say, oh, it's a small world, But one
of the three billionaires who's running the ads against me
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is in Epstein's Black Book, and I'm the one that's
introduced legislation to release all the Epstein files.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Let me go back to the big, beautiful bill for
a second, what do we have to do to get
it pass, to get the tax cuts for people? And
then can we do this through recisions? So I guess
that would be the other side's argument.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, the recisions are billion dollar solutions and the Big
Bill is a trillion or trillion dollar problems, so it's
recisions are billion dollar solutions to trillion dollar problems. The
recisions are great. I voted for them. I want more
of them. I think we should rescind hundreds of billions.
(03:00):
Nine billion, nine billion is all that Congress has rescinded.
But what's going to happen is the Big Bill is
going to add three or four hundred billion dollars a
year in dethicits over the next three years.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Oh can you can you hear me? WILLI? Can you
hear me?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Congressman Thomas Massey is on with us, Hey, Congressman Massey.
In addition to the billionaires trying to take you out,
apparently the NSA doesn't like us talking either, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Think so that's the shadowy globalist billionaires.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm telling you. I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's literally only ever happened to us one time before
and I'm like, oh my god, And you might have
been on the air with us when that happened. So
but we were talking, Yeah, we were.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We just want to pick up where we left off
real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We were talking about the billion dollar answer to troia
dollar problems. I get what you're saying on that, and
it is we have much bigger issues. So in your opinion,
where do we go if we don't fix that, if
we don't fix that fast, where do we go?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, we're going to We're already seeing it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
People say, oh, this is going to bankrupt you know,
our country and our grandkids will suffer. People are already
suffering because we're monetizing our debt. We're using the banks
as an intermediary. The Fed loans money to the banks,
and then the banks by the debt from the Treasury,
and the banks get to make a little bit of
money on it. But the problem is it increases the
(04:26):
money supply. It drives up the interest rates because you
don't have foreign investment in our debt, like they're saying, oh,
we don't want to buy your debt at four percent,
we need five percent interest because you promised to pay
us back in dollars and you're diluting those dollars. So
we're driving up interest rates to finance all of this
(04:48):
excess spending. And the Big Bill has over one hundred
it's two or three hundred billion dollars extra spending this
year then it had last year.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So that's the problem with it.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, we'll see the proof is gonna happen. You'll
see it's gonna happen. Yeah, mark my words. This is
why I wear a debt badge.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I built a little badge that I wear on my
lapel that's a digital display of the debt in real
time going up and it's taken.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's jumping up and leaps and bounds.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now I have a hard time keeping the battery charged
on my debt badge these days.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
We've been we've been talking about this the debt for
a long time, right, and the badge has been around
for a long time. And and somehow or another, they
keep propping the system up. How are they doing that?
Because everything you say makes total sense. It doesn't make
sense that we can continue to operate the way we're
operating and not have financial consequences, which you describe those consequences.
(05:46):
People's wages are getting eaten away by inflationary issues and
stuff like that. But we're it's being eaten in a way,
in a way that most Americans don't feel it huge.
It's kind of like dying slowly over time from diabetes
rather than getting bit by a cobra. Right, So what
is propping that system up to where it's this long,
(06:09):
slow decline instead of a huge crash.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, it looks like a perpetual motion machine. And you
stare at it and you say, how does this thing
keep going without collapsing? The way it has been going
without collapsing is foreign countries are using the dollar and
they want to spend dollars to buy their things because
their own currencies fluctuate too much, so they use it
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as a reserve currency. And we're able to dilute their
holdings of US dollars by printing more.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So if we print three percent.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
More dollars in a year, then we are diluting the
foreign holdings. And we're like the credit card transaction fee
at the gas station. You know, we take three percent
of everything around the world if they're using dollars. The
problem is, through sanctions, we're causing fewer countries to use dollars,
like you know, Russia used to have like seventy percent
(07:05):
of their foreign transactions in dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now it's like fifteen percent.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And also other countries aren't buying our debt like they
used to, so they're not holding US debt that we
can promise to pay them back in US dollars, so
we can't dilute it and take their money.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The music's going to stop, and we're already seeing that
when we go when the Treasure Treasury goes out to
sell treasury bonds, the foreign investors are saying no thanks,
and we're selling more of them to institutional investors.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, that makes sense. We have this dilution of our
spending power. At some point, countries are going to be like, oh,
screw this, We're going to go to something else, and
there are efforts afoot to make that the case around
the world. When that happens, do we just become a
third world country? What happens?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, I mean that happens, We're gonna there will be
some I'm trying to avoid that situation. What would what
will happen is we'll probably go into a lot higher
inflation rate because we'll we'll be tempted, as we are
doing now to some degree, to monetize our debt more.
And you start doing that and you're not relying on
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diluting the holdings of foreign countries and you're just diluting
the holdings of your own American citizens, then you get
into a hyperinflation situation. But you also get into higher
interest rates. I know the President wants the Fed to
lower the interest rates. Could they lower them another percent
and have some impact on the private market, you know,
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the rate at which you do a car loan or
a mortgage. You know, we could probably go down a
little bit, But the reality is they can't go down
much because otherwise we can't sell our debt, and otherwise
the banks. Also, even though that the FED might loan
money to banks at that rate, the banks aren't going
to loan it out at lower rates. So the control
levers for this centrally controlled economy are now attached with
(09:05):
rubber bands that stretch every time they try to pull
those levers.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I just finished rereading the Creature from Jekyll Island and
it has me scared to death.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Are do you think that?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Do you think that the American people are prepared for
what it would mean to cut the government enough that
we could get out of this, because what we're talking
about is going back to basically, you get police, you
get fired, you get roads, you get bridges, your pawholes
are filled, and you have some schools. The rest is
up to you. Like that's the way it was designed.
Do you think the American people, even conservatives who talk
(09:37):
a big game until you grab their subsidy, do you
think they're prepared for what that kind of government looks
like to get us back on the right footing so
that the free market is actually driving prosperity.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
By the way, the things that you've just named, ninety
percent of those are funded by state and local governments
with taxes that don't have debt and deficit spending. So
you know ninety percent K through twelve education is already
funded at the local level. So are they ready for
the Feds to pull out the ten percent that causes
(10:08):
the states to jump through all these hoops and hire
more administrators and go through regulation. I think there would
be a boon to individuals and the free market economy
if the government quits sucking up all of the capital.
If the government quit regulating the local schools and you know,
(10:29):
holding out ten percent of their funding as the carrot.
And if you just look at Argentina, what's going on there?
That guy is he's massively cutting government and people they're
not like ready to throw him out. They're having a surgeence,
a renaissance for the first time, you know, their inflation. Yes,
(10:54):
they and they don't have to carry their money in wheelbarrows.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, I mean it's like, okay, you want government services
or do you actually want to keep you know, ninety
nine percent of the check that you make every month,
because then you could afford a lot of things that
government supposedly gives you. And just go to the DMV
for ten minutes and tell me that that works efficiently.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And by the way, so now you have the government.
Don't want to change subjects, but you brought up the DMV.
Sure you have the.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Government taking a ten percent stake in Intel, you know,
the microprocessor manufacture. I wonder if they're going to model
their cash inside of that microprocessor, you know, the memory
that holds stuff while the processors working.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I wonder if they're going to model.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That after the lines at the DMV, Like, can you
imagine a computer processor that worked as efficiently as the
lines at the DMV.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I was sitting there with the other the other day
and my number was five ninety three and they got
to five ninety two and I was like, oh, I'm next.
And then there was about an hour and a half
of calling a seventy one see fifty two one eighty.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I'm like, what is this? What is this organization? I
don't even know what this is.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
By the way, Yeah, so you don't want government involved
in the manufacture of microprocesses.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They can only slow it down. Not good? Not good?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
All right, real quick, before we let you go and
apologize for the technical difficulties I'm blaming the NSA, but.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Before we let you in the global billionaires.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
There you go either one, both culprits probably the same
people when you pull the mask off like Scooby Doo.
So this the one thing that concerns me. I understand
what Trump is doing. He's trying to make government a
little more efficient, but he's doing this data sharing stuff
and the health sector as well as in just overall
just the data that Americans have that's collected on them,
(12:44):
and he's pulling it all together using artificial intelligence. And
he's also kind of backing off of any kind of
regulation of artificial intelligence. And again I understand the sentiment, right,
but boy, put another put the last regime in there,
or the Obama regime in there, and they have the
power that's going to be left behind by Trump with data.
Does that concern you at all?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It concerns me greatly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The government is not here to help you, and they're
not going to do anything good with knowing so much
more about you. This is one of the reasons I'm
opposed to real ID, which is going into place right
now at the airports, is because people say, oh, well,
they're not collecting information on you with the real ID
(13:29):
when you file to get a real ID that's the
new driver's driver license standard, they're not collecting new information.
And I'm like, no, they don't need to collect new information.
They've got all the information on you already and they're
collecting it through other means. What real ID is, that's
your that's like the Dewey decimal system. That's your index
card into that database that proves that the living flesh
(13:54):
human being who is present, whether it's at a gas
station or whether it's at a train station. It proves
that that's the same human that they have all that
data on, and that's the link. That's how they link
you to all the stuff that pollunteer and whatnot is collecting.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, that once that connection is made, then you have
enormous power to track and manage people.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And one other thing, Yeah, one other lynch pin here.
It would be the Central Bank digital currencies, if they
could prevent you from using cash, and if they can
turn off your currency using this data that they have
because your score not a credit score, but your social
score or whatever gets too low, or you wrote too
many letters to your congressman complaining.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's the lynchpin that in real I.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
D I think the thing that bothers me about this,
Congressman Massy is that people on our side, you know,
conservatives that I know and love, have immediately dropped their
guard on this because Trump's in office. And I'm like, look,
I don't think Trump's going to try to micromanage our
lives with this information. But we're we're one step away
from Kamala Harris, We're one step away from Tim Wallas,
(15:05):
We're one step away from Gavin Newsom in the White
House and Gavin Newsom outlawed parody in California, which I'm
proud to say that on co Goo and San Diego.
I continue to have my parody Gavin Newsom's hair Twitter
name and didn't get arrested.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So cool.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But I mean, put them in charge what happens.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Not to conflate real id with everify, but this is
one of the reasons I'm against Everify. Everify is basically
a computer system where in order to get a job,
you have to ask the government's permission and then they
check your background and say, okay. Ostensibly it's to make
sure you're a citizen, but the reality is they're not
going to use it for that, and Everify as let's say,
(15:47):
when Trump's president and it's used to keep illegals from
you know, getting employment, e verified will become v verify,
and under Democrats they'll make sure you have a vaccine
before you can go and work. Yeah, it's that's why conservatives,
if you are a true conservative, you should resist every
effort of the government to grow into your private life
(16:11):
because those pendulum swings, and by the way, it doesn't
swing as much as you think. Ninety five percent of
the government employees under Biden are still employed under Trump.
That's right, right, it's there. They're the elected officials and
the appointments. Those are like a surface nuisance to the
deep state. They were like fleas. They shake them off
(16:32):
every four years.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I just we're only several years removed from what they
did to us in COVID and people need to remember that.
Congressman Thomas Massey, I'm glad we were able to reconnect
despite the worst attempts to take us apart here. Thanks
so much for your time. It's good to talk to
you again, my friend. Keep fighting to fight for freedom.
We appreciate you always great being on your show, Leland.
Thanks for having me on. All right, have a good one.
(16:55):
Is Congressman Thomas Massey.
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