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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was interested in this story about out of Indiana
where this this school girl took a video of her
bus driver acting in a menacing way toward the students
on the bus. So so her mother scheduled a meeting
(00:22):
with the principal of the middle school and recorded it,
and thereby hangs a tale and a lawsuit. And we're
joined for a few minutes this morning by Adam Shelton
of the Goldwater Institute, who's participating in the lawsuit. Adam,
good morning, go to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Good morning, thanks having me on today.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I bet she. So, the mom goes to the principal, right,
what happens next?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Correct? So the moment is the principal instead of a
meeting after she found out from her daughter that they're
on the school bus. The school had never informed the
mother there had been even though the daughter had found
an incident report about it with the school. And you know,
the the principal and insistant principle had met with the
daughter to set the intent. She goes to the meeting.
She wants to record it to make sure that she
(01:08):
to acculately remember what happened, and because the school and
family had had issues with school bus drivers in the past.
The meeting did not was not a fruitful meeting. It
essentially ended with the principal saying, look, if you don't
feel safe for the kids on the bus, just take
the kids to school yourself. Principal wasn't the incident in
explaining the disciplinary procedures for the school bus driver or
(01:31):
explaining what was going on, and just was really focused
on shifting the blame to the students. So the mother
than called the superintendent what a kind of very similar
take on the situation, that this wasn't really that big
of a that big of a concern. So at that point,
the mother posted a recording on social media in order
to ensure some measure of accountability or transparency.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So where upon the school banned her from the building, right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Correct, So the school issued what they call a no
trust pass order in a communications span against her for
the student place for a full year, all because you
recorded this simple one meeting with the school for principle. Now,
we don't know if they've ever punished a school bus driver.
We do know that they published that they punished this
mother for this. Now that no trustpass order has been
(02:21):
listed as of now, but the policy is still in
place that prohibits a parent from recording a meeting with
the school official without permission of the building administrator. The
First Amendment protects more than just a kind of verbal
or written speech, and also protects conduct that that's inherently
expressive or that cannot be divorced from the speech, creates
(02:42):
and process conduct like recording a meeting. And you shouldn't
need to get the information of a government official before
you exercise constitutional rights.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, I'm not defending the actions of the school, but
I got it. The first thing that leaped to my mind, Adam,
is that there are there are parents, and then there
are our parents. Was there any evidence at all that
this kid was causing trouble or that the mother copped
an attitude and aggressive attitude with her approach to it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, so what the video shows of the school bus drivers.
The school bus driver was walking up and down the
aisle of the bus with his belt in the hands,
smacking the Beltkins's hand. When the mother went to the meeting,
she was just trying to understand what happened, why his
parents weren't notified, especially her after her daughter found an
instag remport about the issue. What was going to happen,
what the schools response to this bus driver was going
to be, and when those responses were essentially nothing more.
(03:36):
That's not my job to figure out. That's the district
that somebody else's job, the district to figure out. To
the mother side of the post to the recording on
social media in order to insure some measure of accountability
or transparency, or simply just to inform other parents what
was going on. And the attitude of school officials towards
complates by children about misconduct by a school.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Staff member, there is there, Yeah, there does same to
be a trend sadly in this country of some schools
saying that the parents as an impediment to what the
school wants to do and that the school owns the
kid and the parent needs to bought out. What does
the lawsuits see, adam, So.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Primarily a lawsuit seeks a change in policy. So there
is a policy that says a parent can't record a
meeting with the school official with a mission in the
building administrator. We want that policy change so that parents
can report a meeting with a school official when that
meeting is about their own child and it doesn't kind
of threaten the privacy rights of other non governmental employees
like other students at the school, and that wasn't the
(04:38):
case here. There were no other children presidents. There was
just being between the mother, her husband, and school principal
and it was religious about this incident with her daughter
on a school bus.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, so what's the status where is it now in
the process the lawsuits?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, so we just filed this lawsuit in the United
States dis supports the Northern District of Indiana, waiting to
do what the school's response is going to be Before
we file this lawsuit. We actually sent the school a
letter outlining the problems that we that we listen in
our lawsuit, which the distant of the policy. Unfortunately, school
refused for the engage in conversations with us about it,
(05:16):
and thereby I that's investitating up under lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Interesting, well, good luck with that. Adam, appreciate the time
this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Thanks thank you for having
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Me about Adam Shelton Goldwater Institute here
I was interested in this story about out of Indiana
where this this school girl took a video of her
bus driver acting in a menacing way toward the students
on the bus. So so her mother scheduled a meeting
(00:22):
with the principal of the middle school and recorded it,
and thereby hangs a tale and a lawsuit. And we're
joined for a few minutes this morning by Adam Shelton
of the Goldwater Institute, who's participating in the lawsuit. Adam,
good morning, go to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Good morning, thanks having me on today.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I bet she. So, the mom goes to the principal, right,
what happens next?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Correct? So the moment is the principal instead of a
meeting after she found out from her daughter that they're
on the school bus. The school had never informed the
mother there had been even though the daughter had found
an incident report about it with the school. And you know,
the the principal and insistant principle had met with the
daughter to set the intent. She goes to the meeting.
She wants to record it to make sure that she
(01:08):
to acculately remember what happened, and because the school and
family had had issues with school bus drivers in the past.
The meeting did not was not a fruitful meeting. It
essentially ended with the principal saying, look, if you don't
feel safe for the kids on the bus, just take
the kids to school yourself. Principal wasn't the incident in
explaining the disciplinary procedures for the school bus driver or
(01:31):
explaining what was going on, and just was really focused
on shifting the blame to the students. So the mother
than called the superintendent what a kind of very similar
take on the situation, that this wasn't really that big
of a that big of a concern. So at that point,
the mother posted a recording on social media in order
to ensure some measure of accountability or transparency.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So where upon the school banned her from the building, right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Correct, So the school issued what they call a no
trust pass order in a communications span against her for
the student place for a full year, all because you
recorded this simple one meeting with the school for principle. Now,
we don't know if they've ever punished a school bus driver.
We do know that they published that they punished this
mother for this. Now that no trustpass order has been
(02:21):
listed as of now, but the policy is still in
place that prohibits a parent from recording a meeting with
the school official without permission of the building administrator. The
First Amendment protects more than just a kind of verbal
or written speech, and also protects conduct that that's inherently
expressive or that cannot be divorced from the speech, creates
(02:42):
and process conduct like recording a meeting. And you shouldn't
need to get the information of a government official before
you exercise constitutional rights.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, I'm not defending the actions of the school, but
I got it. The first thing that leaped to my mind, Adam,
is that there are there are parents, and then there
are our parents. Was there any evidence at all that
this kid was causing trouble or that the mother copped
an attitude and aggressive attitude with her approach to it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, so what the video shows of the school bus drivers.
The school bus driver was walking up and down the
aisle of the bus with his belt in the hands,
smacking the Beltkins's hand. When the mother went to the meeting,
she was just trying to understand what happened, why his
parents weren't notified, especially her after her daughter found an
instag remport about the issue. What was going to happen,
what the schools response to this bus driver was going
to be, and when those responses were essentially nothing more.
(03:36):
That's not my job to figure out. That's the district
that somebody else's job, the district to figure out. To
the mother side of the post to the recording on
social media in order to insure some measure of accountability
or transparency, or simply just to inform other parents what
was going on. And the attitude of school officials towards
complates by children about misconduct by a school.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Staff member, there is there, Yeah, there does same to
be a trend sadly in this country of some schools
saying that the parents as an impediment to what the
school wants to do and that the school owns the
kid and the parent needs to bought out. What does
the lawsuits see, adam, So.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Primarily a lawsuit seeks a change in policy. So there
is a policy that says a parent can't record a
meeting with the school official with a mission in the
building administrator. We want that policy change so that parents
can report a meeting with a school official when that
meeting is about their own child and it doesn't kind
of threaten the privacy rights of other non governmental employees
like other students at the school, and that wasn't the
(04:38):
case here. There were no other children presidents. There was
just being between the mother, her husband, and school principal
and it was religious about this incident with her daughter
on a school bus.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, so what's the status where is it now in
the process the lawsuits?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, so we just filed this lawsuit in the United
States dis supports the Northern District of Indiana, waiting to
do what the school's response is going to be Before
we file this lawsuit. We actually sent the school a
letter outlining the problems that we that we listen in
our lawsuit, which the distant of the policy. Unfortunately, school
refused for the engage in conversations with us about it,
(05:16):
and thereby I that's investitating up under lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Interesting, well, good luck with that. Adam, appreciate the time
this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Thanks thank you for having
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Me about Adam Shelton Goldwater Institute here
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