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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gary Sadelmier, Jim Rose and Company pleasure to welcome Kevin
Serilli to the program, respected journalist and a futurist, and
so Kevin welcome. I assume that means you have a
crystal ball.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, No, No, it means that I run Meet the Future,
which is a new tech media company and it's you
can find us at Meetthefuture dot substack dot com. But
I don't know about you, but do you use AI
like Siri or Alexa or chat GPT?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Very very tiny bit yeah, and I understand I need
to get deeper into it because it's coming. We're not
stopping it.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, I don't know if you if you've had this
conversation with some of your colleagues or family members, but uh,
whether or not just say please and thank you or
to have good manners with with your with your AI device. Well,
sixty seven percent of Americans say that they are polite
to their artificial intelligence. And when the pollsters dug a
(00:59):
little deeper on this, they realize that there's this cultural
awareness in America where people are actually kind of curious
but also a bit nervous that if AI were to
ever outpace humans, that somehow the AI would know who
is polite and who said thank you and who said please.
But Sam Altman, he's the CEO of Open AI with
(01:21):
j ownes Chat GPT, which is a big AI platform,
he said, stop being so polite, stop saying please and
thank you, because it's costing tens of millions of dollars
in electricity costs. Because everything that you type to AI,
it ends up costing a lot of money, and chat
GPT needs electricity. A lot of people don't know this,
(01:42):
but America is in the middle of an electrical revolution
right now, and these data centers are popping up all
over the country. These data centers are fueling our ability
to use AI. Even if we don't know that we're
using AI, we're using it. And a lot of these
data centers are actually powered by nuclear energy. So the
bottom line is, just because you can't see how the
(02:02):
sausage gets made, doesn't mean that the sausage isn't getting made.
Stop saying thank you to chat Chipp.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, that's where I wanted to go partly in our
discussion too, Kevin, is because Jem and I here have
done a lot on the power needs of these massive
data centers and the push back against fossil fuels and
nuclear by the greeniacs is not going to get us
where we need to get to power these things. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Look, the bottom line is, you know, my dad, I
worked in a refinery, my sister works in a refinery.
I grew up outside of Philadelphia. So the bottom line
is that energy is fueling America's innovation economy, and innovation
is good not just for economic security but national security.
A lot of the conversations that we have in the
(02:54):
American political discourse, they don't have them in China, Communist China,
and they're trying to outpace or steal America's intellectual property
and steal America's innovation. So, you know, the these goods
and services the technology is powered for us. Which, by
the way, I don't think you have to be scared
(03:15):
of AI anybody who's listening. I think you should embrace
it because humans have always had technology, dating all the
way back to the printing press and the Gutenberg Bible. Yeah,
it might have put some book makers out of work,
but it created a whole new economy around the printing press. So,
you know, energy fuels innovation. But we got to make
(03:36):
sure that the innovation is backed by our national security.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, then the problem, of course is that we have
conflicting policies. We don't have a universal understanding of exactly
what the problem is, because some people say it's not
a problem that we will just continue to have a
zero carbon footprint and will adjust to that, which means
that the interstates will be chuck full of wagons pulled
(04:01):
by yoke of oxen. But beyond all of that, what
we're seeing I think could be big business driving a policy.
You've got three major data centers in Omaha, you got Facebook, Yahoo,
and Amazon, and they're talking about creating their own small
nuclear reactors to power their buildings, so they'll own their
(04:23):
own energy. Do you think that could be a trend
that is duplicated across the country or will this have
to be a universal national policy.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think it's going to be a combination of both.
But I definitely think you're identifying something that is as
a bullseye of where the public private partnership conversations are headed.
I grew up outside of Philadelphia and Three Mile Island.
A lot of folks are familiar with Three Mile Island
that's now being converted into a nuclear energy system in
order to power these AI data centers, you know. Last
(04:54):
month at the National Press Club, I interviewed General Gagnon,
He's one of the top generals of the United States
Space Force, and I said to him, what should people
care about when it comes to outer space? And his
answer wasn't about going to Mars or gunning back to
the moon. It was about national security. The average American
(05:16):
interacts with space and the space domain more than two
dozen times per day. And so while in Nebraska, you
guys are rightly identified the three data centers that the
three big tech companies are creating. Once the data center
is created and it's fueled by nuclear the energy then
has to go up to outer space in order to
(05:36):
interact with the satellite space domain infrastructure. And so whether
it's deep underwater cables in the Pacific or the Atlantic
Ocean that connects our Internet, or the data centers in Nebraska,
or the outer space infrastructure for satellites, Protecting that is
not just in America's economic interest, it's in our national
(05:56):
security interests as well. China and Russia, according to the
General when I interviewed him, they're running war games, not
just in the Taiwan straight. They're doing tests in outer
space to have their satellites come right up to ours
to be able to take them out. Yeah. I mean,
these are the types of capabilities that quite honestly, the
(06:18):
mainstream media just is not covering nor explaining to the public.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'd love to have a longer conversation with you, Kevin.
Where can people access your info online?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, I appreciate that. Meetthfuture dot substack dot com. That's
how you can subscribe to our free daily newsletter Meetthfuture
dot substack dot com. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Excellent. Thank you Kevin, so really
Gary Sadelmier, Jim Rose and Company pleasure to welcome Kevin
Serilli to the program, respected journalist and a futurist, and
so Kevin welcome. I assume that means you have a
crystal ball.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, No, No, it means that I run Meet the Future,
which is a new tech media company and it's you
can find us at Meetthefuture dot substack dot com. But
I don't know about you, but do you use AI
like Siri or Alexa or chat GPT?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Very very tiny bit yeah, and I understand I need
to get deeper into it because it's coming. We're not
stopping it.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, I don't know if you if you've had this
conversation with some of your colleagues or family members, but uh,
whether or not just say please and thank you or
to have good manners with with your with your AI device. Well,
sixty seven percent of Americans say that they are polite
to their artificial intelligence. And when the pollsters dug a
(00:59):
little deeper on this, they realize that there's this cultural
awareness in America where people are actually kind of curious
but also a bit nervous that if AI were to
ever outpace humans, that somehow the AI would know who
is polite and who said thank you and who said please.
But Sam Altman, he's the CEO of Open AI with
(01:21):
j ownes Chat GPT, which is a big AI platform,
he said, stop being so polite, stop saying please and
thank you, because it's costing tens of millions of dollars
in electricity costs. Because everything that you type to AI,
it ends up costing a lot of money, and chat
GPT needs electricity. A lot of people don't know this,
(01:42):
but America is in the middle of an electrical revolution
right now, and these data centers are popping up all
over the country. These data centers are fueling our ability
to use AI. Even if we don't know that we're
using AI, we're using it. And a lot of these
data centers are actually powered by nuclear energy. So the
bottom line is, just because you can't see how the
(02:02):
sausage gets made, doesn't mean that the sausage isn't getting made.
Stop saying thank you to chat Chipp.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, that's where I wanted to go partly in our
discussion too, Kevin, is because Jem and I here have
done a lot on the power needs of these massive
data centers and the push back against fossil fuels and
nuclear by the greeniacs is not going to get us
where we need to get to power these things. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Look, the bottom line is, you know, my dad, I
worked in a refinery, my sister works in a refinery.
I grew up outside of Philadelphia. So the bottom line
is that energy is fueling America's innovation economy, and innovation
is good not just for economic security but national security.
A lot of the conversations that we have in the
(02:54):
American political discourse, they don't have them in China, Communist China,
and they're trying to outpace or steal America's intellectual property
and steal America's innovation. So, you know, the these goods
and services the technology is powered for us. Which, by
the way, I don't think you have to be scared
(03:15):
of AI anybody who's listening. I think you should embrace
it because humans have always had technology, dating all the
way back to the printing press and the Gutenberg Bible. Yeah,
it might have put some book makers out of work,
but it created a whole new economy around the printing press. So,
you know, energy fuels innovation. But we got to make
(03:36):
sure that the innovation is backed by our national security.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, then the problem, of course is that we have
conflicting policies. We don't have a universal understanding of exactly
what the problem is, because some people say it's not
a problem that we will just continue to have a
zero carbon footprint and will adjust to that, which means
that the interstates will be chuck full of wagons pulled
(04:01):
by yoke of oxen. But beyond all of that, what
we're seeing I think could be big business driving a policy.
You've got three major data centers in Omaha, you got Facebook, Yahoo,
and Amazon, and they're talking about creating their own small
nuclear reactors to power their buildings, so they'll own their
(04:23):
own energy. Do you think that could be a trend
that is duplicated across the country or will this have
to be a universal national policy.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think it's going to be a combination of both.
But I definitely think you're identifying something that is as
a bullseye of where the public private partnership conversations are headed.
I grew up outside of Philadelphia and Three Mile Island.
A lot of folks are familiar with Three Mile Island
that's now being converted into a nuclear energy system in
order to power these AI data centers, you know. Last
(04:54):
month at the National Press Club, I interviewed General Gagnon,
He's one of the top generals of the United States
Space Force, and I said to him, what should people
care about when it comes to outer space? And his
answer wasn't about going to Mars or gunning back to
the moon. It was about national security. The average American
(05:16):
interacts with space and the space domain more than two
dozen times per day. And so while in Nebraska, you
guys are rightly identified the three data centers that the
three big tech companies are creating. Once the data center
is created and it's fueled by nuclear the energy then
has to go up to outer space in order to
(05:36):
interact with the satellite space domain infrastructure. And so whether
it's deep underwater cables in the Pacific or the Atlantic
Ocean that connects our Internet, or the data centers in Nebraska,
or the outer space infrastructure for satellites, Protecting that is
not just in America's economic interest, it's in our national
(05:56):
security interests as well. China and Russia, according to the
General when I interviewed him, they're running war games, not
just in the Taiwan straight. They're doing tests in outer
space to have their satellites come right up to ours
to be able to take them out. Yeah. I mean,
these are the types of capabilities that quite honestly, the
(06:18):
mainstream media just is not covering nor explaining to the public.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'd love to have a longer conversation with you, Kevin.
Where can people access your info online?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, I appreciate that. Meetthfuture dot substack dot com. That's
how you can subscribe to our free daily newsletter Meetthfuture
dot substack dot com. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Excellent. Thank you Kevin, so really
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