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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, good to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning, thanks for having me on. And Nebraska is
actually one of the top states for addressing these securities
global security threats. But for TikTok, you know, we need
TikTok to get out of the hands of the Chinese
Communist Party. They use it for propaganda, they use it
for spying on Americans, and it's a really kind of
horrible application to allow China's military and intelligence apparatus to
(00:25):
control within the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, that's the way it seems to me. The president
incoming President Trump, well number one, the outgoing President Biden says,
I'm not going to do anything about it, and Donald
Trump is indicated that he's going to put a nighty
day hold on the enforcement of this law. He would like,
apparently to see some kind of partnership with the ByteDance
slash Chinese where we have fifty percent control of the
(00:51):
app TikTok. Would that be acceptable in your view?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, I think that that might fall short of the
letter of the law that was written, which defines qualified divestiture,
which requires that the Chinese side not have any real
control any longer. So certainly, lawyers, I mean, I'm sure
President Trump and others are asking lawyers about what actually
will work here, and they're considering a lot of different ideas.
(01:18):
I think the big idea is the Communist Party has
to not control this thing any longer. What structure that
looks like. I think it looks like it's very fluid
right now. It seems that President Trump wishes to sort
of land the plane with this ideal, get them out
of it, have a full devestment, but allow the TikTok
(01:38):
application to continue running within the United States, not under
Communist Party control.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Michael Lucci with us from State Armor. I want to
ask you something because Michael, I'm the father of daughters,
and as you know, young people love this app and
I'm going to give you a couple of things that
I hear all the time from my daughters and others
in that generation said, this is not a bit, it's
just fun. It's just fun. Nobody's doing anything. What is
(02:07):
your answer to that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I have no doubt that it's a very enjoyable application.
There's all sorts of social media that is enjoyable. Some
of it is very addictive. But here's what I would
say for younger folks who are early in life and
thinking about the long term. You do not want the
Chinese Communist Party to have control of every swipe that
you make on your phone, every key you press, and
(02:30):
every image captured by your phone, every message you send,
every call you have. You do not want them to
have control over that. Someday you might want to serve
in the military. You might want to serve your state,
your local government, your country, and they're going to have
information about everything you've said, done, or seen for the
entire time that you've used this application. That is required
(02:52):
under Chinese law. China's twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law requires
every Chinese company to spy on the half of the
Party state to help China's military, and then to lie
about it when they're asked. That is required of TikTok.
That is required of every Chinese company. You do not
want them having this control over your long term prospects.
(03:13):
Get this in the hands of the American company. I
know Americans don't love our social media companies, but they're
not required to help the Chinese military.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But they are free to sell information. Do anybody they are.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Free to sell information. I think the FEDS in some
of the states are looking at sort of limiting that,
but yes, they can sell information.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You mentioned that Nebraska is one of the key states
in this issue. Why is that, Michael?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Actually Nebraska for a wide range of issues to protect
the state. Governor Pillen and Sator Elliott Bostar in particular
have just really been nation leading thought leaders in lawmakers
on issues related to the Chinese Communist Party. Nebraska was
the first state to require all of the Huawei spyware
to get ripped out of the state because it was
(04:00):
intercepting nuclear signals around Nebraska's the nuke silos in the
western part of Nebraska. But the lawmakers in Nebraska has
gone a lot further than that. That was a crisis issue,
But lawmakers in Nebraska are preparing critical infrastructure, preparing supply chains,
getting their pensions out of China. Nebraska is the state
we point to at State Armor when we say you
(04:22):
have to get ready for things that the Chinese Communist
Party is trying to do within the United States of America.
Nebraska is the leading state we point to on that,
and it's a really critical example for all the other states.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I was listening to Senator Rand Paul on this tech
talk issue the other day he was on with Clay
and Buck, and of course he's very much a libertarian,
and I am to an extent too. But he believes
this is a free speech issue, and I thought, I
wish they'd ask, what does did Chinese Communist Party have
the right to free speech in America. I don't understand
why he says a free speech issue.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's actually a free speech issue in the other direction.
Speech says Congress shall make no law. So the First
Amendment restricts our Congress. It does not restrict China's government.
If you're being censored on TikTok, if you're being censored
because the Chinese government is asking if you be censored
on TikTok, which happens all the time, you have no
(05:17):
recourse under the First Amendment. If you're being censored by
the American government, you actually have recourse, and we're seeing
some of that work out slowly and painfully. You have
no recourse if you're censored by Chinese government.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Before we run here, Michael, what do you think we
know about TikTok? We know about what you mentioned regarding
the Russians trying to or that the Chinese trying to
steal secrets all the time. Of course, we do the
same thing with them. What do you think the biggest
threat is from China, our biggest global adversary.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think that the biggest threat from China in the
Pacific theater is Strankly. They're just getting ready to invade Taiwan.
That will be a cataclysmic event. They are building an
invasion craft right now. They're doing everything they can to
get ready to invade Taiwan, and that will have huge repercussions.
Imagine the disruptions of COVID times ten. That's what will
(06:10):
happen in the United States. And that is where Nebraska leaders,
so they're both Star and Governor Pillon. That is where
they have led in getting the state ready. So that
is the biggest threat from China as they start invading
their neighbors, which they talk about doing all the time.
Within the United States, the biggest threat is that they
are embedding in our critical infrastructure so that they can
(06:31):
turn it on and off. They can turn water off,
they can turn power off, they can turn communications off.
That's the biggest domestic threat, and those two go together.
They will come after our critical instructure when they go
invade Taiwan because they don't want us to be able
to project power over there, whether or not we want
to do that, they want to shut us down. Within
the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That's the nightmare scenario. And I wonder how high on
the list and on the radar of Donald Trump. That
issue is that they're inside, they're inside our power, they're
inside our water. UF. If you want something to keep
you awake tonight, mister and missus America, that's it right there. Michael,
thank you, great to have you on. Thanks for having you, bet,
I appreciate the time. Michael Lucci the founder and CEO
(07:11):
of State Armor. You can go to State Armor dot
org for more info. There
Good morning, good to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning, thanks for having me on. And Nebraska is
actually one of the top states for addressing these securities
global security threats. But for TikTok, you know, we need
TikTok to get out of the hands of the Chinese
Communist Party. They use it for propaganda, they use it
for spying on Americans, and it's a really kind of
horrible application to allow China's military and intelligence apparatus to
(00:25):
control within the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, that's the way it seems to me. The president
incoming President Trump, well number one, the outgoing President Biden says,
I'm not going to do anything about it, and Donald
Trump is indicated that he's going to put a nighty
day hold on the enforcement of this law. He would like,
apparently to see some kind of partnership with the ByteDance
slash Chinese where we have fifty percent control of the
(00:51):
app TikTok. Would that be acceptable in your view?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, I think that that might fall short of the
letter of the law that was written, which defines qualified divestiture,
which requires that the Chinese side not have any real
control any longer. So certainly, lawyers, I mean, I'm sure
President Trump and others are asking lawyers about what actually
will work here, and they're considering a lot of different ideas.
(01:18):
I think the big idea is the Communist Party has
to not control this thing any longer. What structure that
looks like. I think it looks like it's very fluid
right now. It seems that President Trump wishes to sort
of land the plane with this ideal, get them out
of it, have a full devestment, but allow the TikTok
(01:38):
application to continue running within the United States, not under
Communist Party control.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Michael Lucci with us from State Armor. I want to
ask you something because Michael, I'm the father of daughters,
and as you know, young people love this app and
I'm going to give you a couple of things that
I hear all the time from my daughters and others
in that generation said, this is not a bit, it's
just fun. It's just fun. Nobody's doing anything. What is
(02:07):
your answer to that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I have no doubt that it's a very enjoyable application.
There's all sorts of social media that is enjoyable. Some
of it is very addictive. But here's what I would
say for younger folks who are early in life and
thinking about the long term. You do not want the
Chinese Communist Party to have control of every swipe that
you make on your phone, every key you press, and
(02:30):
every image captured by your phone, every message you send,
every call you have. You do not want them to
have control over that. Someday you might want to serve
in the military. You might want to serve your state,
your local government, your country, and they're going to have
information about everything you've said, done, or seen for the
entire time that you've used this application. That is required
(02:52):
under Chinese law. China's twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law requires
every Chinese company to spy on the half of the
Party state to help China's military, and then to lie
about it when they're asked. That is required of TikTok.
That is required of every Chinese company. You do not
want them having this control over your long term prospects.
(03:13):
Get this in the hands of the American company. I
know Americans don't love our social media companies, but they're
not required to help the Chinese military.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But they are free to sell information. Do anybody they are.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Free to sell information. I think the FEDS in some
of the states are looking at sort of limiting that,
but yes, they can sell information.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You mentioned that Nebraska is one of the key states
in this issue. Why is that, Michael?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Actually Nebraska for a wide range of issues to protect
the state. Governor Pillen and Sator Elliott Bostar in particular
have just really been nation leading thought leaders in lawmakers
on issues related to the Chinese Communist Party. Nebraska was
the first state to require all of the Huawei spyware
to get ripped out of the state because it was
(04:00):
intercepting nuclear signals around Nebraska's the nuke silos in the
western part of Nebraska. But the lawmakers in Nebraska has
gone a lot further than that. That was a crisis issue,
But lawmakers in Nebraska are preparing critical infrastructure, preparing supply chains,
getting their pensions out of China. Nebraska is the state
we point to at State Armor when we say you
(04:22):
have to get ready for things that the Chinese Communist
Party is trying to do within the United States of America.
Nebraska is the leading state we point to on that,
and it's a really critical example for all the other states.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I was listening to Senator Rand Paul on this tech
talk issue the other day he was on with Clay
and Buck, and of course he's very much a libertarian,
and I am to an extent too. But he believes
this is a free speech issue, and I thought, I
wish they'd ask, what does did Chinese Communist Party have
the right to free speech in America. I don't understand
why he says a free speech issue.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's actually a free speech issue in the other direction.
Speech says Congress shall make no law. So the First
Amendment restricts our Congress. It does not restrict China's government.
If you're being censored on TikTok, if you're being censored
because the Chinese government is asking if you be censored
on TikTok, which happens all the time, you have no
(05:17):
recourse under the First Amendment. If you're being censored by
the American government, you actually have recourse, and we're seeing
some of that work out slowly and painfully. You have
no recourse if you're censored by Chinese government.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Before we run here, Michael, what do you think we
know about TikTok? We know about what you mentioned regarding
the Russians trying to or that the Chinese trying to
steal secrets all the time. Of course, we do the
same thing with them. What do you think the biggest
threat is from China, our biggest global adversary.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think that the biggest threat from China in the
Pacific theater is Strankly. They're just getting ready to invade Taiwan.
That will be a cataclysmic event. They are building an
invasion craft right now. They're doing everything they can to
get ready to invade Taiwan, and that will have huge repercussions.
Imagine the disruptions of COVID times ten. That's what will
(06:10):
happen in the United States. And that is where Nebraska leaders,
so they're both Star and Governor Pillon. That is where
they have led in getting the state ready. So that
is the biggest threat from China as they start invading
their neighbors, which they talk about doing all the time.
Within the United States, the biggest threat is that they
are embedding in our critical infrastructure so that they can
(06:31):
turn it on and off. They can turn water off,
they can turn power off, they can turn communications off.
That's the biggest domestic threat, and those two go together.
They will come after our critical instructure when they go
invade Taiwan because they don't want us to be able
to project power over there, whether or not we want
to do that, they want to shut us down. Within
the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That's the nightmare scenario. And I wonder how high on
the list and on the radar of Donald Trump. That
issue is that they're inside, they're inside our power, they're
inside our water. UF. If you want something to keep
you awake tonight, mister and missus America, that's it right there. Michael,
thank you, great to have you on. Thanks for having you, bet,
I appreciate the time. Michael Lucci the founder and CEO
(07:11):
of State Armor. You can go to State Armor dot
org for more info. There
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