Eclipse / Electoral / Enforcement

I review the eclipse before discussing Nebraska's Electoral College irregularity with Matt Barros of Nebraska Freedom Coalition (and, later, Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA).  Retired Omaha police officer Paul Milone also joins me on today's show to discuss his years working with the local SWAT team, chronicled in his new book, "Ram One."

Episode Transcript

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Scott Vorgies. My favorite party yesterdayafternoon was about an hour or so after
the eclipse, when suddenly it gotdarker again and I immediately thought, it's
happening again. No, it's justa cloud. So it didn't get very
dark. No, not here.I mean we had a eighty percent coverage

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of the sun, and so itlooked like it was kind of like there
was just a little bit of cloudcover or haze from wildfire smoke, which
we've seen around here quite a bit. And I imagine that there were a
lot of people who maybe didn't seethe solar eclipse seven years ago, who

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they all went and gathered. Idrove by a memorial park a lot of
at two o'clock, and that placewas packed with people who were just out
picnicking and hanging out in the grassand having a shared experience to stare at
the sun, hopefully presumably wearing theirsolar eclipse glasses. And I wonder how

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many of them were like, that'sit. I thought this was going to
be amazing. I thought this couldhave changed my life. I thought everything
was going to get pitch black andI'd be able to see Jupiter or something
like it. Wasn't something that wascompletely I mean, we didn't get totality
here, and twenty percent of thesun is still a lot of sun.

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Apparently I didn't remember being a kid. Is that I remember there was an
eclipse or two or some variation ofa partial eclipse when I was a kid.
I don't remember things getting dark.I was there in twenty seventeen and
Beatrice when we had the total eclipsehere in Nebraska. Did it get dark?

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It got dark? Yeah, butit was cloudy all day as well,
so it wasn't too incredibly different.But yeah, got it got dark.
We just didn't have it get darkwhere you could see the pitch black
sky around the corona and all thatfun stuff. So yesterday I just kind
of look out in the parking Iwas out on the parking lot with a

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few other co workers and I amanother party I wasn't invited to you're too
busy. So I looked up atit without the solar eclipse glasses. It
kind of took my hand and triedto cover a little bits, like can
I see anything? And so Istared directly at it, and Marjorie Taylor

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Green was right. I got amessage to repent. That's what That was
her assessment that the solar eclipse wasa message from God to repent. Well,
I think that should always be themessage. Yeah, I don't think
you need an eclipse for that.Look, if you are constantly looking around
and seeing messages from God to repent, you should repent. It's uh.

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And if even if you're not,even if you look around and you're like,
well, I see some toast,and I see some coffee, and
I see that car over, theseare probably all signs that you should repent.
It's not a bad idea. That'swhat we should all do. Driving
home from work yesterday, I don'tpay a lot of attention to license plates,

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but I just happened to catch twoof them, two specific plates right
in my face. Yeah. Firstone Proverbs, that's what it said,
A license plate that said Proverbs.Yeah, And the next one blessed Day.
Really, I said, will thereyou go? Is there a pastor
convention in town? I appreciated themboth. Huh. Have a little bumper

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sticker on the car that says warning, I'm a pastor. Anything you say
or do can be used against youin a sermon. This Sunday precisely Uh,
yeah, if you're well, Lucy'sseeing signs, you should take a
moment to go stare at the Suna little bit. So the heck was
I talking about the Sun? TheSun and the you should be anyway.

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I looked up at it. Ididn't have the solar eclipse glasses or anything,
and I was like, yeah,it just looks like the big glowing
orb in the sky. I couldn'tsee it, but the people who had
the solar eclipse glasses said, oh, yeah, it was cool, like
Emery and Matt. They were onthe radio just after two o'clock when it
happened, and they came on andthey were out here. They had the
glasses on. And I didn't shellout the three bucks from my glasses,

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so I didn't get a good lookat it. I tried to take a
picture with my phone to see ifI could see the moon coverage a little
bit. And as I'm doing that, the engineer here at the radio station,
he of all technological wizardry, Kurt, he said, that will damage
your phone. There was a yeah, there was a bunch of information about

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that on Twitter. Oh really,yeah, don't use your phone. Well,
that would have been good information toknow yesterday. I saw it yesterday.
So my phone is worthless now myphone still seems here. I don't
know. Let's see, let's takea picture of Jim. Jim's here in
the studio not paying any attention tous. Yeah, I got a picture
of Jim. Yeah, Jim didbreak your phone? There you go.

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Yeah. Oh, now, thethe radiance of taking a picture of Jim
Rose has just destroyed my phone.I need new lenses or it brought it
back to life. Yeah, soKurt said, don't do that, it'll
ruin your phone. And I didn'tget a good look at it with the
phone either. You know what itlooked like on my phone, Like I
took a picture of this light bulbinhere because it was a ruined phone.

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Yeah. Maybe, but I stillenjoyed it and I drive I enjoyed driving
by Memorial Park and seeing all thepeople up there looking at it. Sometimes
it's nice when when everyone and Itry and do this in my life if
everyone is having a shared experience.You're at a fireworks show with a bunch

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of kids or something, you're lookingat a solar eclipse, you're at a
concert. Do you ever just takea moment to stop looking at what everyone
else is looking at and just takea moment and look around you and see
the massive humanity around you, alllooking and enjoying, you know, looking
at the same thing. I do. I like that. I like you

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mean, like, what are youturn to look at what everybody else is
looking at? Yeah? I guessthat's human nature. Yeah, I suppose
we all do. No, Idon't know. We're all looking at the
same thing. But I look awayfrom that thing we're looking at. Oh,
and look at the people. Iwatch the people watching the things.
Okay, now that's I think that'sspecial. I like your special. I

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like doing Try it sometime. Tryit sometime next time. You're all enjoying
it, especially like kids looking ata fireworks show or something, and you
take a look at them and yousee the wonder and the innocence in their
faces before life is beating them downand completely destroy them of all hope.
You know, when there's still kids, you gotta get them. When they're
young. You look at them thereand you go, oh, this is

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nice. In a few years,these little rat bastards are all going to
be just miserable little pukes running aroundjust vandalizing parks. But now you know
they got that look of wonder andradiance in their faces. It's a nice
thing. So you're that creepy guyat the fire, I'm not that's what
you took from that? That Ijust walk around staring at kids? Is

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that what you took for that?Just settle down over there. I get
a chance to hang out in theradio with her till eleven o'clock this morning
and occasionally fix that and again,no, please don't leave me, and
you're still here. That's from thefive thirty five, the opening ramp to
the Marathon radio show today and allthis week Lucy and me. I just

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heard that traffic music, and Iwasn't ready. I left that in there,
wondering if you'd be like I gotit. I know, every once
in a while Rush Limbaugh would comeback from a commercial break with uptight Everything
all right by Stevie Wonder, andI'd be down the hall night I'd immediately
like just about start bolting to thestudio like I'm on. I understand that

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realized, No I'm not. It'stwelve forty eight, I'm not on barely
on. When I'm here on ScottVoices, here's the follow up conversation from
hours ago here on this radio stationto the one we just heard. This
one deals a little bit more withthe kids in Jim's assessment that I need
to pace myself. I've been infor Gary here since Thursday. I'm Scott

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Forhies, and this is the firsttime that Jim, in the opening segment
of the program has told me,hey, you just calmed down over there.
Usually I get that on day one, but I must not have been
settled up before this morning. You'regetting fired up, and I'm thinking it's
not even six o'clock yet. Youknow, hey, some people pace themselves.

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I am absolutely that runner in themile who just takes off sprinting like
that kid needs to pay himself.No, no, I'm gonna do that.
I gotta set this pace. I'mgonna keep it up the whole time,
and then everyone's got to wait onme as I'm walking the last lap.
I went to my son's middle schooltrack meet last Wednesday, and and

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that's exactly what happened. So therewas some girl running mile, running the
mile, who you know she took? I don't know if anyone ever told
her, like, all right,when when this is four times around the
track. Here, when it's timeto start, you just come out there
on a little joke. And soshe just she's She took off going,

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she had a real nice lead,and then everyone was waiting. I mean
they were putting hurdles on the track, and the coaches were yelling at these
students who were putting hurdles on thetrack. We got one more coming,
hold on, and this girl,poor girl is just walking. She's loafing
around the track. She was that'scoaching done. Yeah, I don't know
if she's gonna be continuing to runthe mile from here on out. I

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mean, that's coaching. It's like, okay, this is not a sprint.
That's the one hundred. That's whenyou go hard, that's when you
hit the after burners. But forthe mile or the thirty two hundred,
I wanted to see her. Iwanted to see her come up and step
over one of the hurdles, likeif she's thinking, like, is this
the race where I have to rundo hurdles in the last lap. It's
not hard enough already I've been threetimes around this track. How come they

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didn't have to jump over the hurdles? How come I got to run over
the hurdles. I mentioned a momentago about these kids vandalizing parks, So
I just saw this story this morningfrom KMTV three News. Now they're on
thirty ninth and J Streets. Thereis no wait, oh no, that's
a different story. That's a differentstory of we'll say some trash in South

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Omaha. No, this one isMount Vernon Gardens. Isn't that a spot
on Monopoly? You can buy thatfor like one hundred and fifty bucks.
I think it's one of the Orangeones. But it's a park in South
Omaha Park and there's a neighborhood associationthere that comes out and they're always picking
up bags of trash and that's awesomefor the people who do that, God

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bless you. And they were doingthis the other day and they noted that
not only were there just you know, piles of trash all over the place,
but graffiti, broken brick walls,and now someone has vandalized some monuments
there, like knocked over big stonemonuments, removed the plaques from them.

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And KMTV reporter contacted City of OmahaParks and rec and said what about this
park? And basically the response waswhich park. This is happening in all
of the parks around Omaha. Vandalism, trash, and the city says,
well, we're doing the best wecan, and yeah, there'll be some

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people that look at this go thecity ought to do something. Well,
they won't heed my advice to putsome snipers out there and shoot on site
anyone who's out there vandalizing. Youknow, this is why we can't have
nice things. You know, peoplecome out there, they don't pick up
after their dog, they don't pickup after their family. They have a

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little pickness. They go watch thesolar eclipse and go, well that was
fun, and they just leave alltheir trash, including solar eclipse glasses,
all over the place. Just shootall those people, that's what they should
do. Invest in a few bulletsand just start sniping people who are destroying
these nice things that we created.But people say, oh, you can't

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do that, that's heavy handed,murderer on behalf of the state. I'm
like, well, you know,maybe if you shoot a few then the
rest will get the message. Butthey don't want to do that. So
instead, you know what you coulddo. You could be a parent,
You could be a decent human beingand you could pick up after yourself,
and you can teach your kids notto act like that. And if that
doesn't work, then remember I havethis other plan that involves just shooting people.

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Scott Voyes News Radio eleven ten kfab. In an hour from now,
we'll be talking with Charlie Kirk.He is the founder and executive director of
Turning Point USA, which is anofficially nonpartisan, but it's certainly one that's
rooted in conservative causes. Not exactlyRepublican or Democrat, but just mostly like,

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hey, government, here's the commonsense way of doing things, and
if you're not going to do that, then please step out of the way.
He'll be with us at ten thirtyfive this morning. He's here in
Omaha to night for an event thatwill learn about right now. Stop me
if you've heard this one. Wetalked earlier this morning with Matthew Barrows.
He is the one of the foundersof the Nebraska Freedom Coalition and they're bringing

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him in Charlie for this event.Here's why. Good morning, Matt,
good morning. Got pleasure to beon with you, sir. Interesting timeline
the amendment that would have given Nebraskathe opportunity to have all of our electoral
college votes go to the candidate whowins the state popular vote. Failed in
an amendment. It failed big lely, and the guy in charge of that

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committee, State Senator Tom Brewer,a strong conservative from the Sandhills, said
there's not enough time to bring itup this session. It is just not
going to work. President Trump,Charlie Kirk and others have said it needs
to work. We've got to dothis, and Charlie Kirk is coming to
Omaha tonight to try and pressure thelegislature to do something that they say they

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can't do. What's your assessment ofwhat's been happening here, Scott, It's
really frustrating. As a citizen ofNebraska, I will say that, first
of all, this and as aRepublican, this issue has been part of
the Nebraska GFP platform as one ofits priorities for the past decade. So
that first of all, So thefact that this is coming down to the

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last minute, the last second nothing'sbeen done, is this has been part
of our party platform for ten years. So where are we at right now?
What we are doing is we arerespectfully encouraging Governor Pillon to call a
special session this amendment. In mypersonal opinion, I don't know that this
amendment would have worked. So theonly path really to victory right now that

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we see is that Governor Pillon calla special session. Now, Governor Pillon
is already going to call a specialsession for property taxes, I believe.
But according to the Nebraska Constitution,Article five, section eight, it says,
the Governor may, on extraordinary occasions, convene the Legislature by proclamation,
standing there in the purpose for whichthey are convened, and the Legislature shall

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enter upon no business except that forwhich they were called together. Now,
that does not say that you can'thave more than one issue. So we
believe that a path to victory isthat the Governor Pillon calls a special session
for both issues, property taxes aswell as this. We believe this is
extremely important, and we can talkabout that further. But I feel like

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I'm going on and on, soI'll let you jump. Well, you
are a fellow talk radio guy,Matt, all right, So let's let's
see here. Let's mention that tonightthere's a winner take all rally. You're
bringing in the afore mentioned turning point. USA founder Charlie Kirk to Omaha for
a rally. It's at Lord ofHost Church just off one hundred and thirties,

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like Millard Avenue Q Street, thatarea over there. But people here,
like the Nebraska Democratic Party in Omaha, says that what you're looking to
do is going to disenfranchise voters herein Omaha. And you guys are acting
like a bunch of whiny babies.So you're event and I would be better
hosted next door at the amazing PizzaMachine. All right, let's disenfranchise.

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I love I love it. That'sa great take, it's a great angle,
but it's wrong. Here's the situation. Let's look at the state of
California. As someone who lived inCalifornia. There's a lot of people in
southern California, a lot of conservativesthat are disenfranchised, disenfranchised by California's winner
take all. So why is itthat we're playing Nebraska nice when it's we

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got to understand what time it is, Scott. The Democrats wouldn't turn around
and do the same thing if theother states wanted to play knights and everybody
split their electoral College votes, thenI think, hey, I think that's
not bad. We could all sitaround and debate that topic, but that's
not what's happening here. So whyNebraka is one of two states that does
this, I don't understand. Weshould be a winner take all state.

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And not only that, it's it'svery important that we do this because not
only is it that the other statesdon't play fair, but it would change
the way that Democrats have to getfunding in the state, because then the
Democrat Party the DNC, would nolonger see congressional district too as a playground
where they can send in money andsend in all these big, these big

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funds, and we have to raisefunds in order to beat them. That
money would largely go away. Webelieve if we got winner take all Jim
Row I think that's possible. Theissue involving winner take all elections, and
if we were to go to allthe other forty eight states main being the
one that also like Nebraska, goesby congressional district, you would never get
two hundred and seventy electoral votes onelection night, and every election would be

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decided by the House of Representatives,which of course would this year benefit Donald
Trump because there are more Republicans.At least as of today, there are
more Republicans than Democrats. So youwould have chaos every four years if you
couldn't find two hundred and seventy voteson election night. I don't know that
that's a good or bad reason fordisbanding any electoral vote by congressional district.

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But that's why most states don't alloweach electoral vote to go by congressional district.
Nebraska likes to be unique and say, well, we've got a unicamerle
and we've got this unique form ofwinner take all. This we don't support
our girls, high school girls goingon there. We don't do that.
Yeah. And then to your point, Matt, the Nebraska Democratic Party when

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calling this winner take all idea extremistsfailed dimension forty eight other states are extremist
states, including as you mentioned,California. So Charlie Kirk is coming here,
and there's a lot of people justdismissively say, well, this idea
to have Nebraska be a winner takeall state was headed up by some conservative,
you know, talker guy, CharlieKirk. So he's coming to Omaha.

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If people want to be a partof this rally tonight, what do
they need to do. Where dothey need to go, what time they
need to be there? They needto go to Turning Turning Point Action and
they can and they can register thereto go. It is at Lord of
a Host Church, So that's TurningPoint Action, that's tpaction dot Com and
they can register there. It's atseven o'clock Lord of Host Church. This

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is it's an ultimate team up.You got the Nebraska Freedom Coalition teaming up,
teaming up with Turning Point Action.It's going to be an awesome event.
We're going to have multiple speakers aswell as Charlie Kirk will be there.
And it's really sad Scott that weneed someone like Charlie Kirk to come
in to get business done in thestate of Nebraska. I mean, I
don't want to derail this and Idon't want to talk against our senators,

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but man, where are they?We need leadership in Lincoln. This is
a very important issue. Like Isaid, it's been on our party platform
for ten years. We need toget this done, and we're begging the
governor to call it special session,and we're begging the state senators to stop
having this loser type thinking or wecan't get it done type thinking. The

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Democrats act in with urgency every singleday of the week, and so should
we. Well, a Republican hasnot lost this state since nineteen sixty four,
so it's not like this is ahighly contested state. Every Republican since
Lyndon Johnson has carried Nebraska on electionnight. Are we have a solution looking

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for a problem here? Thanks formentioning great Republican Lyndon Johnson. Every Republican
since, every Republican since nineteen sixtyfour, The last Democrat was LBJ.
To Jim's point, we have givenup that that electoral college vote before and
there is a path of the electoralcollege this year, this cycle in November,

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there is a you know, away that it could come down to
that one electoral college vote. Soit's extremely important. That is Matthew Barrows
of the Nebraska Freedom Coalition there onlineat Nebraska Freedom dot org, at Turning
Point, usatpaction dot com. Theevent tonight seven o'clock right there in Millard

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at that Bermuda Triangle intersection of likeQ Street and one hundred and thirty second
and Millard Avenue and whatever you wouldcall some of those streets, like one
hundred and thirty ninth right by amazingPita machine. We know where that is.
That's Lord of Hosts Church Charlie Kirkin town tonight to put that pressure
on Governor Pillen. Charlie will beon the program with us at ten thirty

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five this morning. Scott Gohees.Nebraska is one of just two states,
along with Maine, that divide uptheir electoral College votes based on congressional district.
Ryan emails and says, how doesa Republican state have a problem getting
rid of this extra electoral vote thatbenefits Democrats? We need to play the

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game. That's from Ryan. Well, that's kind of what I was thinking
about. The answer is no ideaexcept that. And this hasn't been around
since the dawn of time. Thiscomes from the early nineties, like circa.
I think it was maybe not inplace for the nineteen ninety two presidential
election, but it would be forevery subsequent elections that Nebraska would do this.

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And if you look around at somerather progressive liberal Democrat policies in Nebraska
and go how in a red statelike Nebraska does this happen? Give what
few democrats and positions of power thatwe have in the state a lot of
credit because they get into the rightcommittees, they manage to earn a majority

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in those committees, and then theykeep everything that would be more red state
idea from coming out of those committees. It certainly doesn't help things that you've
got a couple of people who runas Republicans to get elected and then very
rarely vote with a conservative voting record. So with that in mind, that's

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the answer your question. Ryan.With that in mind, as President Trump
says yesterday that his ideas on abortionshould be that he's pro life, but
the states should handle this, andthat sounds pretty good to people in a
red state who are pro life,even if, as I often say,

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there needs to be a robust conversationbetween reasonable people as to what is going
to be allowed win sometime between themorning after pill and I can see the
head, there's a conversation to behad. But here in Nebraska, if
you think, well, this isa red state, we're not going to
allow abortion or late term abortion,I'll give you exactly what happens with issues

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like no death penalty, like theelectoral college vote. This is something like
the good time laws. There arepeople who are incarcerated in the state.
They know how to play the game, does the political left. And if
you don't think they'll play it withthis issue, you're wrong. Appreciate all
the emails. We'll get to morein the next hour. We also have

(24:47):
a great conversation coming up where they'retired Omaha police officer will meet him next.
Right now, it's a pleasure towelcome into the studio retired Omaha Police
officer Paul Maloney, who is amongthe best of the best to ever wear
the uniform here in Omaha, andhe dealt with the worst of the worst,
which is chronicled in this book.Ram One. Paul, thank you

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very much for being with us heretoday. Oh, absolutely pleasure coming erin.
Thanks for having me here. Whatis what is? Ram one?
Ram One was my position on theSWAT team for so many years, the
primary breacher. A primary breacher.That's where you go up there and politely
knock on a door and say,hey, if you're not busy, could

(25:30):
you let us in. We're withthe SWAT team and we wanted to just
have a little chat. Yeah.Sixty pound, sixty pound knock a sixty
pound knock. So how does onerehearse for slamming breaching. You're talking about
a battering ram? Is that whatwe're to have a ram one response to
as a reference as a battering ram? That's correct, all right? How

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does one practice that? Well,there's there's many different ways. One is
to just get old house and workon doors. There. There's training doors
on the market, there's other trainingdevices out on the market. Back in
the day when I was the youngswat pup, you just did it.
There really was no practice. Youjust kind of learned on the job,

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but you had a chance to doit several times before you actually put it
in action. Right. Actually,the first door ever ran was a live
door on a gang unit. Ohyeah, search for it all right,
So tell me about that. Theyput the battering ram in your hands.
You're the new kid there, andwe're like, we'll let Paul do this.
Yeah. Basically because of the bodytype, they're like, hey,
you're a big, strong guy.You can get us in. And it's

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just you carrying this thing. You'vegot a hand on, two handles on
it. It's just you got thisthing and you're slamming this thing into the
door, not knowing what's on theother side and all you got right now
is a battering Ram, that's correct. Yeah, did you process any of
this before you opened this live door? Was said, Ram. It's just

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kind of part of the gig.And yeah, there's dangerous things that need
to be done and people need todo them. And uh, when you're
younger like that and full of thefull of the stuff, the stuff,
yeah, it's uh, it's kindof you know, exhilarating. Yeah.
I mean, how often would youfind yourself in a position, whether it's
with the swat team or the gangunit or your time you know elsewhere as

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an Omaha police officer, would youreally not think about, you know,
processing what you were dealing with inthe moment, but later that evening or
the next day, you're sitting therelooking back on it, going, holy
smokes man, Yeah we we uhwe talked about that on a regular basis,
what the guy is on the teamor the units you're on, and
you know, you just realize that, yeah, it's it's a dangerous job.

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Uh, there's a lot of dangerousjobs in the world. But uh,
you look back like, holy smokes, what what did we just do?
And that really was kind of theuh, the impetus for the for
the book is We'd always say,man, we need to write this down
and write a book at some point, and I figured I'd just put my
money where my mouth was. RamOne true crime stories of working undercover and

(28:07):
breaking down doors on the Swat team. The titles of the chapters here.
I mean, it would be soeasy for me and incredibly entertaining, just
to say, all right, here'sthe title of this chapter. Tell me
this story. But I can't dothat with everything. We want people to
buy the book, right. So, by the way, where is this

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book available? Currently? On Amazon? And at the Old Moa Police Federal
Credit Union they have it in thelobby there. Yeah, RAM One Officer
Paul Maloney with us and Maloney isspelled Milo and e, so it's not
exactly phonetic, but it is inyour family, so that works. Paul
Maloney. Here, let's just gothough with chapter one. Chapter one is

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titled he had a sword. Hewas going to kill the baby. Now,
when I'm talking about processing what you'redealing with in the moment and then
thinking about it later in the moment, this is I'm guessing not you know,
this is a literal. He hada sword. He was going to
kill the baby. This wasn't ananalogy to someone who had a gambling problem

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or something, right, Oh,this is exactly what happened. What happened.
It was apparently a schizophrenic man whowas having delusions auditory and visual.
He was off his medications. Hehad beat up the child's mother earlier in
the day and she had called thecops, and he was threatening to kill

(29:37):
the baby. He literally thought hewas an actual king. He was wearing
a crown, he had a chestplate of armor in his apartment. He
had everything that would make you thinkyou're a king, like King Arthur,
and he was armed with a fourfoot broadsword like Conan basically, and he
was having a delusional episode and wasranting and raving inside the apartment. The

(30:02):
swat team was called, I waslike nine blocks away, so I was
their asap, And long story short, his negotiations failed because the guy was
literally out of his mind and wewere forced to do something that most police
departments don't see in their careers.Was hostage rescue. You know, it

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happens around the world quite a bitmore than it happens in the United States.
It is increasing, but we gotto perform a hostage rescue movement and
my number was called. I wasthe guy through the door and came face
to face with what I thought waspure evil at that moment. He was
standing above the baby with a sword. He looked in the eyes and said,

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I'm gonna kill her, and ofcourse I couldn't allow that to happen,
so you know, I shot himto prevent him from killing the baby.
How long ago was this about?That was twenty ten, all right?
That baby is now fourteen, fifteenyears old. Have you had any
contact with this young woman, boy, Scott. I tried and tried to

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work through the state system, butshe was given up. The mom's rights
were taken away and so she wasput out in the state and they won't
give me any information. A situationlike that brings up a couple of issues.
I do want to talk about somethemes right now that law enforcement has
to deal with. And the oneis when people say that too often police
officers are called out when it needsto be a mental health counselor to be

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able to calmly talk the guy withthe sword down so he doesn't stab or
kill this baby. Your thoughts onpolice responding to a mental health emergency situation
such as that, and people say, I'll just send a counselor or therapist
in there and it'll be much better. Well, in Omaha, like most
cities now, we actually have respondersthat can be called to come and system.

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They do a great job. Thiswas not the place because the guy
was in such a mental state.Would have made a difference. He was
arguing with his computer while we werethere. But obviously they can't. We
can't just send them and they can'tjust show up by themselves and deal with
something that is a deadly force issue. We also had a trained professional there,

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our crisis negotiator, amazing guy,probably the best negotiator we've had on
the department, Chris Perna, andhe did everything he could. There's nothing
that a licensement, a health practitionercould have done Differently. They would have
changed that night. And I don'tknow about this particular situation, but you
see this all the time. Infact, there's a situation played out right

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now and Lincoln with a security guardand a guy who was who grabbed the
riot baton from the officer and endedup getting shot. That is a security
guard situation. But when this kindof thing happens with Omaha police, you
know, the officers come up,there's a split second decision made, and
it's often a him or me situation. Police officers do what they feel they

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need to do. It's vindicated bywitness accounts, bodycam footage, grand jury
investigation. But you still have thefamily of that individual who was dispatched saying,
well, they didn't need to shoothim. They could have shot the
sword out of his hand, theycould have shot off his pinky toe.
They didn't need to kill him.You know how when you see this timeline

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played out time and time again,and sometimes the timeline shows that officers were
not correct in what they did,but in the situations where they were,
and these largely cop hating individuals nevergive them the credit or think about what
they would do in that situation.What are your thoughts when you consistently see
families going, well, they didn'tneed to shoot him, he was just

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about to turn his life around.I wish they could talk to those officers
and understand what happens after the fact. You know, it's not easy at
all. I know cops all acrossthe country that have been involved in shootings.
There is in a single one ofthem who wishes that never happened.

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That's why I don't mention that theguy's name, just out of respect for
his family. He was having amental health crisis, and that's probably one
of our greatest failures in his country, is dealing with mental health. But
I know from first hand experiences thatthere are not cops out there that are
chomping at the bit to shoot somebodybecause the ramifications for it are life altering
in some cases. Paul Maloney ismy guest here, the author of ram

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One retired Omaha police. Give methe thumbnail sketch here of when you decided
to go into law enforcement and howyou worked your way up to being with
the SWAT team. You know,my wife was a police officer for five
years before I got hired. Youjust wanted to spend more time with your
wife, that's yeah. But Iwould listen to her stories with her coworkers,

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and man, that's I was excited. I need to try that.
You know, he got in thedepartment and I was always into team sports,
and once I got on the department, I would you'd see the SWAT
team coming into the precinct to doa warrant. So like, man,
that looks like a cool team tobe part of. So I applied and
got on the SWAT team. Andthen, uh so you were literally like
Mark Wahlberg and Will Ferrell and theother guys. You would see Samuel L.

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Jackson in the Rock doing all thiscool stuff and You're like, I
want to be like those guys exactly, you know. But it also held
through with the undercover world. Iwould I see this cool undercover guy in
the department, Steve Jennam, andI'm like, man, I want to
try that, And the guys onmy crew would teach me, say,
you'll never get to do that,and lo and behold, I got to
work direct undercover for fourteen years inthe Meet. During that time frame,

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I spent sixteen years on the SWATTeam, And I'm just I'm a blessed
man, Scott in the sense thatI got to do a couple of really
cool jobs that not a whole lotof people get to do, and had
an amazing career and protect a lotof our community while doing it. I
mean, working undercover. You've seenmovies and TV shows. Sometimes it works

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out, sometimes it doesn't. Howhow do you go about your first undercover
job? That was That was acrazy story that's in the book. It
just was, hey, you justgot to make it happen. You know.
I didn't even have any training,in any specific undercover training, but
it was something they wanted to.Is it like, hey, you kind

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of look like a degenerate go hangout with these gang members. Well?
No, Basically most of it happenswith an informant will we'll bring you into
something, And that's how it happened. In my cases, I get introduced
by somebody else and then you justhave to play the part. And I'll
be brutally honest and say, myfirst year or two I was not very
good, but you're alive. I'malive. I got better towards the end

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of that. You don't give offa cop vibe. You know they're in
There are some who do, andthey can't work undercover. You know,
no, that you're exactly right.And I was one of those guys the
first first year. So it washard to wash that out because you get
poundered in your head and the academyhow you need to act and what you
need to do. And I wasable to finally overcome that after a while,

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the scourge of Omaha with guns anddrugs. How many guns and drugs
do you think you've taken off ofour streets? And how much is left
out there for someone else to do? Well, you know it's we,
it's not me. We We tooka lot of drugs and guns off the
street, and I worked with someamazing investigators, but there's a ton out
there. I talked to the guysthat are still doing what I did now

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and they're getting one hundred pound loadsof meth on a regular basis, you
know, And that's that's an insaneamount of meth andmfetamine and uh, you
know that that border is just openwide, and it's you know, you're
you're literally squeegee and water off thegarage floor because we're not we're not winning.
The book ram One by Paul MaloneyAM I, L, O and
E available on Amazon, and youjust look through the names of the titles

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of the chapters, and some ofthem I can't read on the radio because
of the language. But there's there'sone story here I want you to end
up with, and it's the summerof the Shinola Show. Shall we say
what was it like for you beinga part of the riots in downtown Omaha

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and everything that went down here inour community that night. You know,
it's kind of a kick in thegut to be brutally honest. You know,
I got to the intersection of seventysecond and Dodge right off the bat
without the rest of the swat team. They were they're out getting gear and
I so I was there early,trying to get a scattering report basically.
And you know, it was interestingin the sense that the thought of this

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is happening in Omaha, literally twentyone year old girl coming up and yelling
in my face, I F youpig, I hope you f and and
I'm thinking, man, what haveI ever done to you? Or what
is any cop everdent to you oryour family? And you know, we
and it states in the book,and we had people throwing lit Molotov cocktails

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towards cops, fireworks, we hadsuper soakers full of yeurine being sprayed on
the front line, guys you knowin the in the riot squads and people
people you know, obviously it wasCOVID being locked up, it was George
Floyd, a lot of pent upfrustration. But you're gonna flip over cop
cars and burn buildings down for justice, you know, define justice. That

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there's no justice in that. It'san ugly night. And we had a
young man lose his life and thenright on top of it, someone else
lost his life before going to trial. It was a tough night in Omaha's
history. And to be right,we had we had a third person lose.
No, I mean it was threenights of chaos. Oh yeah,
yeah, three nights of chaos.Yeah, well, I'm thinking about that

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one. Was it Friday or Saturdaynight? That was? That was a
rough night in Omaha's history, andthat was really played out, and due
to online video streams, we wereable to watch it live. I was
on the radio doing play by playof what you were dealing with with it
right in your face. And Ihope that this book is also full of

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stories of people coming up to youand saying, thank you very much for
what you've done. You saved mybaby, you saved my life, you
saved my family. I hope thatyou've heard that as many times you've heard
f you pig in your career.Oh yeah, absolutely, you know.
And I understand those are the minority, and the vast majority of people support

(40:44):
law enforcement. And again, Iwas blessed to get to do this job
and the way I did it,working around some really amazing people in a
great city. That is basically,our department is supported very well by our
city. So we're thankful for that. If you want to hear more about
those issues. Responding to the vonMaher shooting, trading guns with a Mexican

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cartel member, I mean, there'sso much in this story with all of
your years with Omaha Police and theSWAT team, Paul Maloney. Ram one
is the book. Find it onAmazon. Maloney is spelled Milo ne Paul,
thank you very much for your yearsof service to our community. Thanks
for writing this book. Thanks forcoming hanging out and telling us about it.

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My pleasure. Thank you, Scott. There's an event hosted by the
Nebraska Freedom Coalition and other organizations tobring to town someone who ABC News says
is spurring Nebraska to do something that'sa pretty dramatic thing here, and that
is do what forty eight other statesdo and not splitting up their electoral college

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votes. Charlie Kirk, founder andexecutive director of turning Point, USA joins
us here. Charlie, thanks alot for coming on the show here today.
Thank you. All right, you'recoming to Omaha to encourage who to
do what? Yeah? So excitedto be come in first. It's just
it's been an amazing week. Wesent out a couple of social media posts
last week and seems to have reallylit a fire. We're trying to encourage

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the governor, which I think hewill, I really think he will,
to call a special session to tryto get Nebraska to be Winner take All.
It's not an unusual thing for statesto go winter take all. As
you said, forty eight states alreadydo it. It's supported by a majority
of Nebraskan's. It's a common sensething to do. And from national implications,
you see a lot of the leftwing media, they're coming out and

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they're saying that, oh, thisis the one electoral vote that Joe Biden
needs the most, and so obviouslyon Donald Trump's team inside and want to
see him successful. So I thinkit's time for Nebraska to go winner take
All. I think you guys havean excellent governor here, and I think
he really has an opportunity to bea national hero and if he calls the
special session, this could really thiscould make Nebraska Winter take all and all

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the electoral votes to go who whoeverwins, wins the most flats of Nebraska,
which almost certainly will be Donald Trump. And credit also to Senator Ricketts
who has come out and supported thisas well. So hope the governor calls
a special session, and we believethat he will, and tonight is to
try to just encourage that rally thegrass roots, explain the importance of it,
and that's how we're coming tonight.This was tacked on as an amendment

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to a larger bill and it failedmiserably, and the state senitor in charge
of the committee, who's a conservativeguy, says, there's just not the
political will or the time to dothis during this legislative session. To that,
you would say, what, well, yeah, maybe during that legislative
session. We'll see what happens duringa special session and we'll see if we
actually have the votes. I knowthat the will of the people is there.

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And you have to understand, lastweek with a kind of bedlam came
from all of a sudden, thisthing came from the debt on Tuesday and
there were votes happening on Wednesday andThursday, and there are questions of how
Jermaine the issue or the topic was. I've kind of become a quick study
expert in the legislative rules of Nebraskapolitics. But I believe that the people
are behind this, and I thinkwhen it's all said and done, and

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this goes to a vote in aspecial session, when it's not being rushed
and there's a clean bill that canbe introduced, I believe that the votes
will be there to make Nebraska winnertake on. It's easy to become a
quick study in Nebraska politics. Weonly got the one house right now.
It's super easy. But the stateDemocratic Party here has dismissed you and your
role in all of this and pushingfor this because they say, well,

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Charlie Kirk is an outsider. He'snot from Nebraska, so you're not from
here. You're not allowed to careabout the electoral college map. Apparently,
Yeah, that's true. I'm notfrom Nebraska. I'm from Illinois, but
that doesn't even border, so itdoesn't really count. But I care about
the country, and I think it'sgood that Nebraska goes winner take all.
I'm not here to tell anybody whatto do. I'm here to encourage and

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try to use the platform that wehave to try to support the good guys.
And this is really a Nebraska thateffort, and I just want to
compliment and praise the governor and hiswonderful leadership. He's come out really strong
on this against so is Senator Ricketts, and so we're just here to lend
a voice to try to support thosethat see that this is the right way
forward, which we believe is thevast majority of Nebraskans. And the Nebraska

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Democrat Party can dismiss me all theywant, but we'll be there tonight.
It's going to be a very positive, uplifting event, and we hope that
we're ultimately going to see a specialsession sometimes. More details about Turning Point
USA at tpaction dot com. Charlie, I know you've got a radio show
to do and I do not wantto interfere with that. Look forward to
having you tonight in Omaha. Thanksa lot for the time this morning.

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Thanks so much to Charlie Kirk,Turning Point USA Founder and executive director.
Again, this event is that Lordof Hosts Church, which is in Millard.
Probably the easiest way because it's kindof at this Bermuda triangle of like
Q Street and then one hundred andthirty second comes towards one hundred and thirty
eighth, but then Q becomes Millardto Havene. It's right next to the
amazing pizza machine. Oh I knowwhere that is. That's Lord of host

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Church seven o'clock tonight, tpaction dotcom, Nebraskafreedom dot org for more information
on tonight's event. That is CharlieKirk. We will wrap up this program
next Scott Voices News Radio eleven tenkifab Lucy and I get a chance to
share the airwaves together every day thisweek from five thirty to eleven. That's

(46:23):
a whole lot of Lucy. That'smore hees more voorhees more hees uh.
So please cancel everything you're doing,like working and sleeping and just spend time
hanging out with us here on theradio. So a couple of the subjects
here, Lucy, you actually I'mgonna I wanna now let's do this email

(46:47):
first. So I don't because I'llget going on something and I'll forget it
and I'll kick myself and I don'tneed to kick myself. You I'll do
it. Demeaned me earlier before youstarted kicking me when I said sometimes when
everyone is having a shared experience watchingsomething, I like to just kind of

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look around real quick and watch thepeople who are watching something, whether that's
a concert, whether that is afireworks show or yesterday's total eclipse of the
sun. Every time I say that, I have to do it in sing
song style. Which is your eightiesmovie reference for this segment of the radio

(47:32):
program. Remember what movie reference?That is? Movie reference? Yes,
a musical comedy. There was atotal eclipse of the sun, and that's
how we got Audrey to what movie? Oh that is? Uh yeah,
the plant One online at theplant onedot com, otherwise known as Little Shop

(47:57):
of Horrors. Yeah, that anyway, I like to have when we're all
having a shared experience, we're allstaring at wonder or something, take a
look and watch the people who arewatching it, especially kids. And you
demean me. You're like, oh, you're just showing up and just watching
kids, Like, don't make meout to be some sort of weirdo.

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Well, everyone laughed at me,but not not Katie. Katie emails via
the Zonker's custom Woods inbox Scott atkfabdot com we talk about these people who
traveled hundreds of miles to get inthe path of totality. Katie says,
yes, it's true. We droveto Arkansas on Sunday so we could make

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it on time for the eclipse bybeing near Russellville, Arkansas yesterday, and
it was an awesome experience and Iam so glad we did it. However,
the best part was watching my sixteenyear old grand daughter's reaction. She's
been waiting for this since the twentyseventeen eclipse, which we couldn't see because

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of the clouds. This time,we had a perfect sky clear, no
clouds, and to see her facewhen we hit totality and the corona came
out was heavenly. Scott is right. The reactions of those around you makes
it all worthwhile. Thank you,Katie for not making me out to seem
like a creep like Lucy made meout to seem. I mean, I

(49:30):
am a creep, but I don'tneed you to twist my words to make
me a creep. Listen to someof the things I actually say that are
borderline, if not full on creepy, but not this Katie gets me.
How come you don't get me?Oh? I do. I simply asked
if you were going to be thatguy? I said, oh, so

(49:52):
you're that guy and actually call youout. I ask your question. Yes,
now here it's an email guilty.I don't feel anything. I don't
feel I don't feel anything anymore.I don't have time, all right.
We also talked about the assessment hereby the American Library Association that says that

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anyone who's trying to remove books fromlibraries are engaging in this form of censorship
because these are stories buy and aboutLGBTQ plus persons and people of color.
They even gave the top ten mostchallenged books, every single one of them.
The accusation is that it's graphically sexuallyexplicit, not that hey, they

(50:43):
talk about gay black people in thatbook. Get rid of it. You
know. It has nothing to dowith LGBTQ or people of color. Has
everything to do with adult, graphicsexual material being made available to kids,
sometimes in a scholastic environment where ifthey read the book and do an assignment

(51:04):
about it, they get extra credit. It's been promoted in some cases to
youth. We learned all about thatfrom a story time with Steve at the
Legislature a couple of weeks ago.So we talked about that, and I
said, it floors me that numberone you've got in response to the NAIA

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Small Colleges that said, we're notgoing to have transgender athletes. Specifically,
we're not going to have male athletesplaying on female sports teams in the NAIA.
They announced that policy yesterday and oneof the first knee jerk reactions was
from the National Women's Law Center,who said, it's important to recognize that

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these discriminatory policies don't enhance fairness andcompetition. Instead, they send a message
of exclusion and reinforce dangerous stereotypes thatharm all women. How is keeping men
off of women's sporting teams, outof women's locker rooms? How is that

(52:07):
harming all women? What stereotypes arebeing challenged? I don't have any idea.
You got the National Women's Law Centerpromoting men taking spots from women on
sports teams. That's what Title ninewas incorporated to guard against. That.
More opportunities in college sports for women. The National Women's Law Center says,

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we need to have fewer opportunities forwomen, and we need to have guys
just walk into the women's locker room. So you got that, and then
you got the American Library Association sayingthat if you want to keep gross material
away from little kids, that somehowyou're anti gay or racist on some level.

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And I said, where are thelibrarians, who I think every single
one of them, at least theyused to a librarian used to get in
the job, to try and cultivatethis culture of learning, the innocence of
kids, especially coming in there,getting their library card, finding a book,
parking over here, reading a book, checking out the book, coming
back the next week, big smileon their face. How'd you like the

(53:15):
book? I love this book.Hey, you know what, I can
find some other books like that,or more books by this author. Really,
you know, that's what being alibrarian should be all about. So
I mentioned that, and I getthis email that says, Scott, I
listen. This is also from someonenamed Katie. Thank you, Katie.

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What's so maybe about? Katie?There's your two thousands Bare Naked Ladies' music
reference for this segment of the radioprogram. Anyway, Katie says, listen
with interest to your discussion about thefilth invading our libraries. As a retired
librarian, I can say no bookhas to be ordered. Librarians have a
choice as to what is put ontheir shelves. No library has every book,

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so some discrimination is necessary. Asa society, we eschew pornography,
yet it's okay to call it literatureand place it where any pervert or child
has access. Then she talked aboutsome of the issues here locally where this
had to deal with the smut beingfound on computers and pushing against it.

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But she says buying or rejecting certainbooks is not censorship, but rather selection.
As a society, we've chosen decencyuntil recently. Thank you for that
email. Scott Boyes Mornings nine toeleven on news Radio eleven ten KFAB