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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Beat Bob. He's a four time tire rotation champion. When
he was a baby, his first words were automatic transmission fluid.
Bob's so cool he has engine coolant running through his veins.
And then there's Kyle, also as Premium.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Legend has it that Kyle can change your oil with
his toes.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And that he can tell your tires ille pressure just.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
By how you're walking. He's Bob, He's Kyle, and every
Saturday morning they morphed together to form the greatest superhero
known to man. Mister Mechanic check engine light Stone, stand
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Great Saturday morning to you. This is a Mister Mechanic show.
By five eight, eleven ten is the numbers to get in.
Get in early so we can get to your questions
and get you some answers. Get your back out to
the garage. Now that we have an extended hollow day here,
there's probably plenty of people out there that the cars broke,
don't work, haven't been able to get into the Mechanic
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If its first time and you're scanning across the dial,
you have some questions, we'll give you our top couple
answers and kind of figure out try to get you
pointed in the right direction. It is with me always
is Kyle. Good morning, Kyle. Yeah, it unseasonably warm. You don't,
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we don't. We talked about batteries, and we you know,
it's we haven't had a big battery day. We've had
a couple days where we had five batteries, but not
the mountain of batteries that we're used to. This no,
and that's going to come in it. And we've talked
about this before. If you've got a newer car. The
biggest thing that we see anymore is not that the
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old flood acid batteries used to kind of go down
a little bit of time and crank slow. Now the
new AGM batteries all of a sudden, you'll be fine
and boom, it won't start. And that's it. And we
had one the other day that it wouldn't start for anything.
I'm kind of repeating myself, but you hooked a jump
box to it, wouldn't go, wouldn't do any and you know,
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we had to go jump start or actually actually had
to go put a battery in that customer's car in
their garage because the garage was so narrow we couldn't
get it out. But that is just just so different
from the norm. And so if you're getting a car
that's got five years on it, and you can have
it checked and see if it's got an AGM battery,
it's not a matter if it's a matter of win.
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And boy, when they lock up, they lock up. You're
in the back of a tow truck and you're hauling
it in and now your day's shot or whatever it
was you're going to do. Because we're always we're always
in a hurry to go in the last minute to
get to somewhere. We never go somewhere and sit and
have a bunch of of time in between everything that
we do. It's always just rerex your day. It RECs
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a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know. And I unwillingly got to experience, you know,
my own case study with batteries the other day. So
there was a neighbor that needed a jump start, and
so at the house, I have jumper cables. They're buried
in the garage with everything else that I would need.
But yeah, I've got these jump boxes and they're a
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very popular brand. It's a Noco brand. They've been around
for a million years. Lithium ion jump box. It's, you know,
a little bit bigger than your phone kind of thing
and you just hook it up to the car.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Would not start this car?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, And that that particular box has to see some
sort of voltage.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It will not start a dead shorted car.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Nope, it will not. And you know, we have one
at the shop. Plus we also have a backup normal
jump box because when we walk out there a lot
of times we're taking both.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, you've got to have some kind of a battery,
sell some kind of a liquid battery in there to
get those going.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah. I think what I've read on this is that
there's there's electronics inside of that lithian ion and they're
trying to make sure you're not hooking it up backwards.
So if it actually they can't see voltage it yep.
And it's got to see even minimal voltage. If it's
got to have two volts or something, it's got to
be able to sense something. And if it doesn't send
something you've wasted a couple hundred bucks in some cases
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to buy one of those things, because they make miniature
versions for sixty nine dollars, and they make ones that
look like a loaf of bread for about two or
three hundred dollars. That thing will jump start in anything,
but if it doesn't have voltage in.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
There, you're done. Yeah, more of those stories. I did
fight my jumper cables all the way in the back
of the garage and the cylinder headpile. So we got
those out and they're back on the hook for time being.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And you probably don't remember this, Kyle, but way back
in the day, you know, the seventies, sometimes you wouldn't
get a good connect on you know, you do positive
to positive and new negative to negative. You wouldn't get
a good connection. And so you'd go and you'd rub bumpers.
You'd rub the front bumper to the the chrome bumper whatever,
to the bumper of the dead car, and that made
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your ground. Then you could just concentrate on your on
your positives, and that's how you get the car started. Yeah,
I did that to one.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Don't try this with your show car unless you want,
you know, some blue flash marks and the bumper.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I did that so many years ago. That kind of
looked at me and like, I can't believe you did that.
Hey it started running, Yep, I don't care. Off we
go works, it works. Yeah, we're worried about it and
not in bolt them together. Well, it wasn't it. You're right.
It wasn't his prime car with brand new chrome bumpers.
It was just what we had to do on a
very cold day. And he was as appreciative of getting
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out of the cold weather as I was getting out
of the cold weather. So all right, well head over
to John. John's got an eighty three buick John, what's
going on today?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, I'm mounting a new radiator and that thing I
bought from one of our companies that sell car parts,
automotive line performance parts. And this is this is a
nice radio. It's all aluminum and everything. And then there's
nothing like a regular radiator. It's got a flat bottom
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to it on the tanks. And I need to know
what type of rubber they use the mount that thing
with the.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Last one I had the cord broken.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I think it's I think it's bouncing around. It's too
what I had in there before. For insulator rubber was
I think.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
There are two steps.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And the radio is not you know, not seated properly,
and I think it broke the cords in it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So are you just having something custom that you're sticking
in there? Or is this a direct fit to this application?
Exactly a direct.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I got fabricated over to make it fit.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, So basically where I start. I mean, I've used
just about anything. You can go to the Junkyard, you
can go through a million cars, look at how their
radiators are mounted.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I mean I've well, I.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Know, I'm just looking to see what kind of rubber
they use.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You touch the side wall out of a tire, I
mean I've done that before. It's worked. It doesn't have
to be anything.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's all kind of subjective to what you're putting it into.
Are you putting it in a in a in a
channel or the rubber's got to fit in a channel.
Are you fitting on a flat piece? Is it a
donut that fits down in there? There's a lot of
different things.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, there's I had to fabricate it. I had to
remove the old the original mount and kick it out
forward a little bit, and I had to remove the
original mounts from the fans, the fans crouds, and I
had to kick it out forward towards the grill and
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use that part. I made that an eighth inch. And
it's hard to explain.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, no, no, no, I get it. It's so you can
go to uh yeah, you can put rubber in there.
You can use a horse mat stall from the from
from the stalls for the mat.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Any kind of something spongy. I mean, you can go
to the dollar store and buy those foam matchs you
put on the floor under your desk and cut it.
I mean, it's just got to have a little bit
of forgiveness to it. It's just got to be able
to move a little bit, to absorb some amount of shock.
It doesn't necessarily have to be anything.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Special to this process. I agree with what Kyle said.
The first thing was go to the salvage yard. So
you can get in for two bucks and you can
walk around on a day like today and you can
look at a various of various you.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Can see all kinds of stuff in different ways things
are done.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, and uh, sometimes you don't have that vision in
your mind of what you want, and sometimes you do.
But if you go out and you take very open
the hood and look at various different things of how
they did. Usually you come back with an idea or
a starting point as to what you want to do.
(09:18):
But I've done that, and Kyle's done it. I know
I've done it.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
That full rubber. That's full rubber, Matt, that's not a
bad idea. May dose some of that. I may try
that and make my mouth for erranting and make it
look pretty well.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And so you're gonna you're gonna do this project once twice,
probably even three times, so you find what's gonna work
and then you just kind of refine it from there.
And that's why I say, you know, there's there's times
I've gone out to the Savage Art and grabbed a
couple of things off it's like, well, this is going
to work perfect for what I got.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Then it doesn't. Then you put it in device and
hit it with a hammer and make it your own.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, yeah, that's part of that's part of being.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Patience with it. Don't get frustrated. We've all been there.
But I mean, as long as you just kind of
keep your head focused on moving forward, you're going to
be just fine. I mean it's and.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I would I think you would rather go with something
a little heavier than a little lighter, because those radiators
are expensive, and you put a hole in them, you've
got a whole different thing that you got to deal with.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
The last when the cord broke in the middle and
the Laura left cord broke, and I think that that
promise I had them before I got from the hardware store,
and low and Beholder is just too stiff.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And well, that's that's why people. That's why people go
out and build these cars and do the fabrication because
they just enjoy that on a daily basis in order
to be able to figure stuff out. And it's just
it gets addicting after a while. Instead of going to
the bar, it's spending money on something somewhere. So I
appreciate the call, John O, great, Thank you sir. You
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bet all right. We're gonna take a quick breaking the
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Speaker 7 (11:24):
I saw her standing there by the anti trees. I
knew she must have been about forty three. I heard
her going clang that seventy one Mustang, and I knew
it would be long before her tires for all ball,
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but she would still be mine.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, She's mine.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
All minds again.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I love notable, Thanks Gorn, another court.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Of oil paper.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
I love nots and balls.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So up inside of take a ride Wi.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Bow small Sat Smow with one hundred miles.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Hour train Bow and Kenny's got a eleven Nissan Juke. Kenny,
what's up today?
Speaker 8 (12:15):
Well, see on the dish it says a loose fuel
cap and uh so I checked the cap and it
seems to be tight and it doesn't seem to be
any cracking on, you know, on the rubber seal or anything.
Uh is there something else that would cause that light,
I mean that warning.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Light to come on.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You bet there is a bunch of something else.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So that particular check gas cap light tells me that
there it could be a gas cap possibly, but it
tells me more or less that I'm looking for an
EVAPP issue, okay. And the EVAPP system is an emissions
related system that we got from the powers that be
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back in the nineteen seventies, and we've refined it down
to this system that we have now, but it's still
generally the same. We have a solenoid on the engine
that applies vacuum to a charcoal canister, the fuel tank,
everything else like that monitors the amount of leakage that
it has over X amount of time. So needless, I mean,
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you've got either one or two things. You've got a
circuit issue or you've got a leak in the EVAPP system.
So what we would generally do to solve this, We're
gonna have to hook up something to the car. We're
gonna have to see what code's in it, and that
code will take us either to the purge system or
the vent system, one of the two, or anything in between.
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So that's kind of in a roundabout sense what that
light means.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, the codes will tell you if it's a large
leak or small leak. The gas cap light is.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Just it's just down there to tell you, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Hey I got a problem. Doesn't tell you what to say,
Hey I got a problem. And like Kyle said, these
lines are all plastic anymore. It runs from the filler
neck to the gas tank, all the way forward to
the engine and then all the way back to the
charcoal canister and everything in between. So when you smoke,
the system looks like cigarette smoke, but it's colored. It
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allows you, it allows much better, it smells much better too,
And well it allows the technician to be able to say, Okay,
it's leaking over here. And you could have a very
small crack and a plastic corrugated line that she'll never
find in a million years, and all of a sudden,
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that smoke you'd just start seeing, you know, come up
out of that crack, and that's where your leak is
because it can't hold a vacuum or a pressure, depending
on how the system is designed, and that's what causes
that light to come on. So this go ahead?
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Could it be a i've heard purge valve? Is that
part of that system?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Also, yep, you got a cancer purge valve. You've got
a cancer vent valve. You've got about twenty four feet
of plastic line at least. And like Kyle said, you
could just have a bad gas cap because a lot
of times those are vented at a certain point and
those gas caps do go bad. But I would give
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you a five percent chance that that's the problem. And
if you do go get one, don't go buy the
cheapest one, go by, Go buy one from the dealership
because they seem to be a considerably better quality. Okay, yeah,
it's tough. It's tough if you don't have the tools.
The only thing you can really do on your own,
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for the most part is do a bunch of visual
looking at it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You can test the purge valve. Yeah, so the purge valve,
I mean you can find that up on your engine.
It's going to be on the intake manifold or somewhere
really close to it. It's either going to be mounted
on the intake or it's going to have two hoses
going to it. But either way, there's going to be
a hose that goes to the back of the car
and an electrical connector. So what you're gonna do is
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just start the car and get it idling, take off
the hose that goes to the gas tank, and then
you can just put your finger over where you took
that hose off, and if there's vacuum there, you know
it's failed, because there's no way it's going to be
in any kind of a purge at idle.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Only when it's driving down the road does that kick
on that highway.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Speed to va vacuum on the line or vacuum on
the velvet itself.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
On the valve itself. Okay, that's how you kind of
generally in a roundabout way test that. Okay, anything else
to test you would need some equipment involved.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Well that gives me a
place to start.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
All right. If you need more help, give us a call.
We appreciate the call. Thank you, you bet. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Evapp is a tough system for a lot of guys
to test. It's just every car is different car is
I mean remember Volvo ten years ago with that vents
Illinois that they refused to recall, but every one of
them failed. You had to take the whole rear cradle
out of the car to replace it.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, and then when they build cars, they don't build
them a lot of times. Sometimes most of the time
they do, but not all the time with serviceability. And
that's why it costs a darn much sometimes to well,
why do I if the part cost me twenty four dollars,
why is it two thousand dollars? Well, the parts twenty
four dollars. Where they put it at is a journey,
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a journey, and that's the two thousand dollars. Part is
to get to it. And then also since you know
it kind of it brought up a different deal. That's
why most places anymore will charge a diagnostic fee because
we know the lights on the dash, we know the
codes are over here. But that especially in an EVAP code,
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that is it gives you an area, it tells you
it's somewhere between the front and rear bumpers, especially in
EVAP code. And now you've got to go through a
specialized equipment in order to smoke that or do a
visual test, and a lot of times you eat up
an hour just doing all those tests and the parts
in labor beyond that testing is is what it costs
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to fix the car. But you don't know what any
of that is until such time as you spend the
time to go do it and go take a look.
And it's unfortunately with the technology that are in cards anymore,
it's what you have to do. It used to be
there were much simpler. Car didn't run very good. It's loping,
it's it's blow and blow smoke out the back pipe, tailpipe. Yeah,
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about about two minutes you could tell a car beeer
need to be overhalled.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, twenty five thirty years ago, we didn't have EVAP issues. Now,
we never worked on those systems, and we.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Didn't charge diagnoetick back then because you didn't need to
because it was fairly simple and fairly obvious within five
ten minutes of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Now, these cars all had EVAPP systems, But if you
ever suspected an issue, you just pop the hose off
the intake, put a thing over it and never hooked
it back up, or maybe you did.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But yeah, you know in this in this part of
the country, we probably disconnected more EVAPP stuff to make
it run right than.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, he didn't need it. No emissions test.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
In California, we had to hook it all up, and
we had to wait for the smog test to come in.
And when everybody kind of messed with their cars and
hoses were laying off, then we had to fail them
and then they had to come back the next day
or you know, pay a charge to for us to
put all that back together and hook it all up,
and then they had to pay it was it still
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is kind of a rack.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And those were the hard earned days of EVAPP. I mean,
you look at lift a hood on any nineteen eighties
import car. I mean you got enough vacuum hosts to
go to the moon and back.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, yes, and you know it's all bad. Well that's
the other thing I'm happy we got rid of the
carburetors and things of that nature, is because we got
rid of all of that stuff and just it's it's
simplified the system a lot, but it's just more complicated
to figure out what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
So yeah, you ever take the bowl part on a
carburetor that the EVAF canisters failed on, you'll remember that.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, it's full of black charcoal, you bet all,
and you can't get it out. All right, We're gonna
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Let's get your car back on the road. Let's head
back over to Gordon's who has been waiting patiently at
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seventeen f one to fifty. Thanks for waiting, Gordon. What's
going on today?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
So I bought this.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
This truck used a couple of years ago and it
had a Ford battery, and it's still got a Ford
battery in it. I don't drive it all the time,
but when I do drive it a lot, you know,
it doesn't you know, it's got that start stop thing
for the for the engine, but it doesn't stop when
the battery is when it says it's charging. Right, So
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that's not a big deal except when I drive. I'll
go an hour hour and a half drive and then
an hour and a half back. By the time I
get back into town, it's starting and stopping, you know,
when you stop at the red lights and stuff. Not
doing that anymore. Is that battery going bad as or
a way to test it? I can't find a date
on it. I don't know how long this battery is
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supposed to last.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, you know, average is probably anywhere from about four
to five years for the most part.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Most of them are way around three.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, most of them are. I think the average life
of a battery nationwide is about three and a half years,
depending on the climates you live in. Yes, A four
does have a stamp on there somewhere that it's only
they can read, and they kind of know what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You got to have the decoder ring.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Kind of you know. I found one on the battery,
what was it? An interstate? The other day I could
not find anything, and it was stamped in uh on
the side of the battery in oh like ink, very
non transparent ink that I could see what it was.
You might have to pull that battery out of there
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and look at all sides of it very good or
unless there's a code or something stamped into the plastic
on the top, and then maybe find the Internet. I
don't know what the code is for Ford, be honest
with you, because they all kind of change their own deals.
Even though there's four battery manufacturers in the country, the
EVE have the each have their own individual way of
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identifying a battery. So let's go back to your problem
that so the start stop doesn't work anymore and.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
You're just kind of what it says, you know, you
do on the screen. You click through and it tells
you what's going on. Right, It's right, it's a you're
at the red light, you got your foot on the brake,
and it says engine whatever running because of charging you know,
a low battery or whatever. It doesn't say low battery,
but it says charging right right, And I would think
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after driving it for three hours plus, it's going to
be charged.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Agreed, agreed. And it depends on how much charge that
battery really needs, you know, I would probably just go
have it tested and just kind of see what percentage
you're at if it's if it's a seventeen, you would
have to think.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I would hope that it's been done once.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I would hope it's been done once also, and how
long have you had it?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I've had it for two years and I bought it.
I was the second owner. I bought it from a
Ford dealer, right, you know, so they went through everything
and I don't know if they changed the battery or.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
I'm you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I'm guessing they did. You know, in a lot of
times too, if you original Ford battery or original General
Motors battery or original whatever, the replacement battery looks different,
has difference stickers than what the original battery is a
lot of times it's just going to be a blacktop
and anything like that. And for Ford, their aftermarket, yeah,
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there's going to say Motorcraft on it with a red
sticker and say different words and lettering. I'm guessing I'm
almost ninety five percent sure that you've got a different
battery in there from two years ago. It would be Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Would think it is just because of the age of
the car. So is that the reason that it's not
starting and stopping is because it's not holding enough charge.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Or now that's something different. That would be something different.
The start stop just has to do with it. Is
it's relying on that battery to run things right when
it stopped. But no, there's something else that's going on
in that start stop that that unrelated to your battery.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Actually, I don't care if it starts and stuffs or not.
I think it's kind of a pain in the butt,
but it's you know it. It troubled me that, you know,
when I don't drive it, you know, but when I
drive it for a long period, I would expect it
to be fully charged and agree.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Because I'd have to do more research on that. This
is the first kind of time we've run across that
it kind of works and don't work.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean, normally we get them towed in where they
pull up to a stop and then the battery is dead,
and then we got to tow them.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
In, right. And we've been putting a lot of start
stops on vehicles here lately because we found a great
place that has great units and just bypass them, bypass
them because a lot of people realize that when they
do one starter for anywhere from six to eight hundred
or nine hundred dollars for a starter, they go, how
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do we stop that from happening anymore? And so yeah,
we spend another one hundred and fifty bucks or so
to put this on and the never don't have that
problem anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Okay, that's that's yeah, if I could, if I could
do that, I would get I would get one of
those wherever that those are.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, well we've we've we've searched the internet and
and and you know, if you want to hang on,
I can give you the give you the the place
that we use them for.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
So yeah, that that that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be great.
And I've got another question for a too, And this
is on a on a nineteen uh my mother in law.
It's my mother in law's truck. She's she's a farmer,
but it hasn't been driven in a year or so
because she's had some some medical issues. So it's just
sitting in the garage, and I'm sure the battery is dead.
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I charged it once, but you know it doesn't. Those
things suck suck energy like nobody's business, as you know,
even if it's just sitting there, right, should should I
take that thing out and start driving it just to
get you know, go through all the gas and all
of that and and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
If it's been for a year, it wouldn't hurt. I would,
and you can, and you got the availability to do it. Yeah,
I would probably take it out and jump started, drive
it around for a while, and you'll keep it for
a week, drive all the gas out of it, put
fresh gas in it, and just kind of, you know,
go out and start it up every once in a
while and let it run for twenty minutes or a
half an hour, maybe every three weeks or a month,
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and just kind of keep it going like that.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Okay, Okay, Yeah, I'm kind of more worried about the
gas than I have anything else.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Rightly, it's going to be sealed. You know, if it's
been a year, it's probably it's going to still be good.
But that year turns into a year and a half.
Which turns into two and then you're on the other
side of a problem.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Right, yeah, right, kind of kind of my thoughts, yep, yep.
And what I was thinking was what I what I
could do is use all the gas up, fill it
back up, and put some stables in there.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah. I don't know that I would use stable if
I would fill it back up. If it was mine
and I'm in the situation, I'm going to probably uh
spend a little bit extra money and I'm going to
fill it full of premium, and I'm gonna lot premium
is going to last a lot longer than what your
ethanols are, especially if over a long period time.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Well, so, so she's on the farm, she's got a
tank of gas. It's all gas.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's oh perfect perfect Yeah yeah, I no, no, even better?
So I could I could fill it up with that,
yeah even better?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Okay, Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Appreciate the call, Gordon, thank you. All Right, We're gonna
head over to Dave. Dave's got a two thousand Chevy pickup. Dave,
what's up today.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
I'm trying to find that additive for a locking differential.
I noticed the tenda was chirp, and I'm like I'm
gonna change the all the fluid, but I kind of
remember there's an attitude that goes in there.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's like a friction modifier.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Friction modifiers what they call it. You know, you can
you should be able to find out just about any
parts store if they if they know kind of what
they're looking for. But or friction modifiers is what it is.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's generally back on the wall with all the oils.
It's a little small can of it. Yeah, it's had
one in the kind of looks like a five hour energy.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's yeah, it kind of looks like a five hour energy.
But it's going to be back with the like the
the ninety weights and all those specialty oils, and there's
going to be something on the on the rack there
that they have with that. And you know, Ford has one.
I think we've even put a Ford in in uh
in a General Motors before and to work just.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Fine, okay for tough without Chevy stuff.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
This is a two thousand. It's real hard to work
on all the computers and it is the Last time
I went to the auto store for an oil filter,
the young guy gave me a canister filter for Toyota
and and then argued with me, that's the one that
was on the computer. I'm like, no, you know that
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that oil filter fits probably a million general motors things
I would imagine, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, they tell you the exact number of that filter.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, they go zero six year O. Yeah. A lot
of times they go what's on the computer of what
some Pewter can programmer put it in there? And yeah,
I get argued with too sometimes and I know what
I'm doing. So it's it's you just have to be
a sort of and say this is what I want,
Please go get this.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I wasn't going to argue with them, but they're real
small canisters and like my daughter's card takes that. Oh
those But yeah, anyways, I went to another store got them.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah you know, it's change.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
The oil in the different oil and put that additive in.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, you know what, you know, you just have to
have been somebody else, you know what you know, because
you've you've you've already done it many times.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
So couple times. Yeah, Yeah, it's high enough. I can
get under it with my beer belly.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's like, yeah, Clarence, that's always a factor, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Under there?
Speaker 9 (31:18):
I don't want anybody's even getting out underneath of it?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well do it at night.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Well you guys have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right. Appreciate the call. Day, Yes you as well.
You as well appreciate the call. All right, we'll go
take a quick breaking the mister mechanic show, come back
and answer some more questions. To be back in a minute.
Randy has got an old dog out there. Eighty four
Ford F two fifty Randy, what's up today?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You know what? You guys have fixed about eight of
my cars. Happy holidays to ye. You guys are wonderful.
Wouldn't miss the show. Eighty four Ford F two fifty
heater Core issue truck has never left the acreage in
sixteen years. Heater Core is totally shot. What on YouTube
says you got to take the whole housing out if
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you got air conditioning. My mechanic told me there's eight
bolts behind the glove box and you can slide a
new one in to Back to your.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Education.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
What's involved in this thing? I'm trying to decide if
I can handle it.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's not going to be the hardest thing you've ever done.
Does the truck have air conditioning. Let's start there. Yes,
does the air conditioning work?
Speaker 8 (32:30):
No?
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Okay, never will work again?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
All right. I don't think that there's much of any
AC interference on that truck, because I've got kind of
a picture in my head. We have a few of
these we work on. I mean, the box is right there,
and I mean you got your hoses that kind of
go right through a portion of it that you can
still get off of there. But I think, if I
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remember right, it's been a while since I've done a
heater core on these. But you just take your glovebox
door completely off, and you're gonna see just a panel
right there staring at you with a few bolts in it,
and then there's just a strap that holds the heater
core in that. But I don't think that there's anything
crazy detrimental that you have to take the entire AC
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housing off of this thing. And I mean, even if
you do, I mean the hardest part to that is
getting the wheel well off. You got to take that
plastic under, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
And the problem is so rusty being a plow truck
that I hate to take anything apart because there at
anything left by the time I get done.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, you shouldn't really have too much issue here inside
the car. I mean, if you're really lucky, your floor's
gone and you can just slide up underneath it, climb
through the bottom of the floor, you'll be looking right
at the heater corn.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
No, that's what I have. On the other side. It's
real convenient when I lock my keys in the car
because I just stick my hand up there and get
the door handle off.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Oh yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I did have one opinion from a very educated business
owner in the Omaha area that he did do a
car once he cut the air conditioning lines and ran
the heater cool the heater lines through the air conditioner
evac unit.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Oh well, that's that's thinking outside the box.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It'll work the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, same stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I just thought i'd ask if I run into too
many problems. It's an option.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, And I remember doing one of these back in
the day. And you're right. They're just inside the there's
not a lot you got to take them apart, and
they they're just a yeah, they're they're they're considerably easier
than what's going on today.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Well that's why I'm driving this old stuff, sir, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And I can.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Still handle the challenge.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, and if it's if it's that rusty, and that's
not a problem either. Just uh, get some zip ties
while you're at the part store. Everything everything zip ties
back together. That's not a problem. Yeh.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Hey, you guys have a happy new Year and so
grateful for the show. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Appreciate the call. Appreciate the call. All right, we got
time for one more. Bob thirteen Lincoln, Bob, what's up today?
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Yeah? About too much go on? My breaks went bad.
You could just push them down on the floor.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Still stopped you.
Speaker 10 (35:18):
Anyway, took them a canic. You put a new break
can or break?
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Did the break thing okay?
Speaker 10 (35:26):
Massive cylinder okay, worked great for about two weeks and
now it's doing it again.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Took her back to him.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
He doesn't know what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well, we've been through this. I don't know how many
times the power boosters bad. I see, I can't tell
you how many times we've done this. Job Ward
Beat Bob. He's a four time tire rotation champion. When
he was a baby, his first words were automatic transmission fluid.
Bob's so cool he has engine coolant running through his veins.
And then there's Kyle, also as Premium.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Legend has it that Kyle can change your oil with
his toes.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And that he can tell your tires ille pressure just.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
By how you're walking. He's Bob, He's Kyle, and every
Saturday morning they morphed together to form the greatest superhero
known to man. Mister Mechanic check engine light Stone, stand
a chance. This is the Mister Mechanic Show on eleven ten, kfab.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Great Saturday morning to you. This is a Mister Mechanic show.
By five eight, eleven ten is the numbers to get in.
Get in early so we can get to your questions
and get you some answers. Get your back out to
the garage. Now that we have an extended hollow day here,
there's probably plenty of people out there that the cars broke,
don't work, haven't been able to get into the Mechanic
(01:07):
at this particular point, So give us a call. Got
some open lines for you. It's an interactive call in show.
If its first time and you're scanning across the dial,
you have some questions, we'll give you our top couple
answers and kind of figure out try to get you
pointed in the right direction. It is with me always
is Kyle. Good morning, Kyle. Yeah, it unseasonably warm. You don't,
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we don't. We talked about batteries, and we you know,
it's we haven't had a big battery day. We've had
a couple days where we had five batteries, but not
the mountain of batteries that we're used to. This no,
and that's going to come in it. And we've talked
about this before. If you've got a newer car. The
biggest thing that we see anymore is not that the
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old flood acid batteries used to kind of go down
a little bit of time and crank slow. Now the
new AGM batteries all of a sudden, you'll be fine
and boom, it won't start. And that's it. And we
had one the other day that it wouldn't start for anything.
I'm kind of repeating myself, but you hooked a jump
box to it, wouldn't go, wouldn't do any and you know,
(02:19):
we had to go jump start or actually actually had
to go put a battery in that customer's car in
their garage because the garage was so narrow we couldn't
get it out. But that is just just so different
from the norm. And so if you're getting a car
that's got five years on it, and you can have
it checked and see if it's got an AGM battery,
it's not a matter if it's a matter of win.
(02:41):
And boy, when they lock up, they lock up. You're
in the back of a tow truck and you're hauling
it in and now your day's shot or whatever it
was you're going to do. Because we're always we're always
in a hurry to go in the last minute to
get to somewhere. We never go somewhere and sit and
have a bunch of of time in between everything that
we do. It's always just rerex your day. It RECs
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a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know. And I unwillingly got to experience, you know,
my own case study with batteries the other day. So
there was a neighbor that needed a jump start, and
so at the house, I have jumper cables. They're buried
in the garage with everything else that I would need.
But yeah, I've got these jump boxes and they're a
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very popular brand. It's a Noco brand. They've been around
for a million years. Lithium ion jump box. It's, you know,
a little bit bigger than your phone kind of thing
and you just hook it up to the car.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Would not start this car?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, And that that particular box has to see some
sort of voltage.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It will not start a dead shorted car.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Nope, it will not. And you know, we have one
at the shop. Plus we also have a backup normal
jump box because when we walk out there a lot
of times we're taking both.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, you've got to have some kind of a battery,
sell some kind of a liquid battery in there to
get those going.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah. I think what I've read on this is that
there's there's electronics inside of that lithian ion and they're
trying to make sure you're not hooking it up backwards.
So if it actually they can't see voltage it yep.
And it's got to see even minimal voltage. If it's
got to have two volts or something, it's got to
be able to sense something. And if it doesn't send
something you've wasted a couple hundred bucks in some cases
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to buy one of those things, because they make miniature
versions for sixty nine dollars, and they make ones that
look like a loaf of bread for about two or
three hundred dollars. That thing will jump start in anything,
but if it doesn't have voltage in.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
There, you're done. Yeah, more of those stories. I did
fight my jumper cables all the way in the back
of the garage and the cylinder headpile. So we got
those out and they're back on the hook for time being.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And you probably don't remember this, Kyle, but way back
in the day, you know, the seventies, sometimes you wouldn't
get a good connect on you know, you do positive
to positive and new negative to negative. You wouldn't get
a good connection. And so you'd go and you'd rub bumpers.
You'd rub the front bumper to the the chrome bumper whatever,
to the bumper of the dead car, and that made
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your ground. Then you could just concentrate on your on
your positives, and that's how you get the car started. Yeah,
I did that to one.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Don't try this with your show car unless you want,
you know, some blue flash marks and the bumper.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I did that so many years ago. That kind of
looked at me and like, I can't believe you did that.
Hey it started running, Yep, I don't care. Off we
go works, it works. Yeah, we're worried about it and
not in bolt them together. Well, it wasn't it. You're right.
It wasn't his prime car with brand new chrome bumpers.
It was just what we had to do on a
very cold day. And he was as appreciative of getting
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out of the cold weather as I was getting out
of the cold weather. So all right, well head over
to John. John's got an eighty three buick John, what's
going on today?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, I'm mounting a new radiator and that thing I
bought from one of our companies that sell car parts,
automotive line performance parts. And this is this is a
nice radio. It's all aluminum and everything. And then there's
nothing like a regular radiator. It's got a flat bottom
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to it on the tanks. And I need to know
what type of rubber they use the mount that thing
with the.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Last one I had the cord broken.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I think it's I think it's bouncing around. It's too
what I had in there before. For insulator rubber was
I think.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
There are two steps.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And the radio is not you know, not seated properly,
and I think it broke the cords in it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So are you just having something custom that you're sticking
in there? Or is this a direct fit to this application?
Exactly a direct.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I got fabricated over to make it fit.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, So basically where I start. I mean, I've used
just about anything. You can go to the Junkyard, you
can go through a million cars, look at how their
radiators are mounted.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I mean I've well, I.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Know, I'm just looking to see what kind of rubber
they use.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You touch the side wall out of a tire, I
mean I've done that before. It's worked. It doesn't have
to be anything.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's all kind of subjective to what you're putting it into.
Are you putting it in a in a in a
channel or the rubber's got to fit in a channel.
Are you fitting on a flat piece? Is it a
donut that fits down in there? There's a lot of
different things.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, there's I had to fabricate it. I had to
remove the old the original mount and kick it out
forward a little bit, and I had to remove the
original mounts from the fans, the fans crouds, and I
had to kick it out forward towards the grill and
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use that part. I made that an eighth inch. And
it's hard to explain.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, no, no, no, I get it. It's so you can
go to uh yeah, you can put rubber in there.
You can use a horse mat stall from the from
from the stalls for the mat.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Any kind of something spongy. I mean, you can go
to the dollar store and buy those foam matchs you
put on the floor under your desk and cut it.
I mean, it's just got to have a little bit
of forgiveness to it. It's just got to be able
to move a little bit, to absorb some amount of shock.
It doesn't necessarily have to be anything.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Special to this process. I agree with what Kyle said.
The first thing was go to the salvage yard. So
you can get in for two bucks and you can
walk around on a day like today and you can
look at a various of various you.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Can see all kinds of stuff in different ways things
are done.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, and uh, sometimes you don't have that vision in
your mind of what you want, and sometimes you do.
But if you go out and you take very open
the hood and look at various different things of how
they did. Usually you come back with an idea or
a starting point as to what you want to do.
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But I've done that, and Kyle's done it. I know
I've done it.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
That full rubber. That's full rubber, Matt, that's not a
bad idea. May dose some of that. I may try
that and make my mouth for erranting and make it
look pretty well.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And so you're gonna you're gonna do this project once twice,
probably even three times, so you find what's gonna work
and then you just kind of refine it from there.
And that's why I say, you know, there's there's times
I've gone out to the Savage Art and grabbed a
couple of things off it's like, well, this is going
to work perfect for what I got.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Then it doesn't. Then you put it in device and
hit it with a hammer and make it your own.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, yeah, that's part of that's part of being.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Patience with it. Don't get frustrated. We've all been there.
But I mean, as long as you just kind of
keep your head focused on moving forward, you're going to
be just fine. I mean it's and.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I would I think you would rather go with something
a little heavier than a little lighter, because those radiators
are expensive, and you put a hole in them, you've
got a whole different thing that you got to deal with.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
The last when the cord broke in the middle and
the Laura left cord broke, and I think that that
promise I had them before I got from the hardware store,
and low and Beholder is just too stiff.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And well, that's that's why people. That's why people go
out and build these cars and do the fabrication because
they just enjoy that on a daily basis in order
to be able to figure stuff out. And it's just
it gets addicting after a while. Instead of going to
the bar, it's spending money on something somewhere. So I
appreciate the call, John O, great, Thank you sir. You
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bet all right. We're gonna take a quick breaking the
mister mechanics show five fight eight to eleven tens of
numbers to get in open lines for You'll be back
in a minute.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I saw her standing there by the anti trees. I
knew she must have been about forty three. I heard
her going clang that seventy one Mustang, and I knew
it would be long before her tires for all ball,
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but she would still be mine.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, She's mine.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
All minds again.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I love notable, Thanks Gorn, another court.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Of oil paper.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
I love nots and balls.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So up inside of take a ride Wi.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Bow small Sat Smow with one hundred miles.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Hour train Bow and Kenny's got a eleven Nissan Juke. Kenny,
what's up today?
Speaker 8 (12:15):
Well, see on the dish it says a loose fuel
cap and uh so I checked the cap and it
seems to be tight and it doesn't seem to be
any cracking on, you know, on the rubber seal or anything.
Uh is there something else that would cause that light,
I mean that warning.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Light to come on.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You bet there is a bunch of something else.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So that particular check gas cap light tells me that
there it could be a gas cap possibly, but it
tells me more or less that I'm looking for an
EVAPP issue, okay. And the EVAPP system is an emissions
related system that we got from the powers that be
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back in the nineteen seventies, and we've refined it down
to this system that we have now, but it's still
generally the same. We have a solenoid on the engine
that applies vacuum to a charcoal canister, the fuel tank,
everything else like that monitors the amount of leakage that
it has over X amount of time. So needless, I mean,
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you've got either one or two things. You've got a
circuit issue or you've got a leak in the EVAPP system.
So what we would generally do to solve this, We're
gonna have to hook up something to the car. We're
gonna have to see what code's in it, and that
code will take us either to the purge system or
the vent system, one of the two, or anything in between.
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So that's kind of in a roundabout sense what that
light means.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, the codes will tell you if it's a large
leak or small leak. The gas cap light is.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Just it's just down there to tell you, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Hey I got a problem. Doesn't tell you what to say,
Hey I got a problem. And like Kyle said, these
lines are all plastic anymore. It runs from the filler
neck to the gas tank, all the way forward to
the engine and then all the way back to the
charcoal canister and everything in between. So when you smoke,
the system looks like cigarette smoke, but it's colored. It
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allows you, it allows much better, it smells much better too,
And well it allows the technician to be able to say, Okay,
it's leaking over here. And you could have a very
small crack and a plastic corrugated line that she'll never
find in a million years, and all of a sudden,
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that smoke you'd just start seeing, you know, come up
out of that crack, and that's where your leak is
because it can't hold a vacuum or a pressure, depending
on how the system is designed, and that's what causes
that light to come on. So this go ahead?
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Could it be a i've heard purge valve? Is that
part of that system?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Also, yep, you got a cancer purge valve. You've got
a cancer vent valve. You've got about twenty four feet
of plastic line at least. And like Kyle said, you
could just have a bad gas cap because a lot
of times those are vented at a certain point and
those gas caps do go bad. But I would give
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you a five percent chance that that's the problem. And
if you do go get one, don't go buy the
cheapest one, go by, Go buy one from the dealership
because they seem to be a considerably better quality. Okay, yeah,
it's tough. It's tough if you don't have the tools.
The only thing you can really do on your own,
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for the most part is do a bunch of visual
looking at it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You can test the purge valve. Yeah, so the purge valve,
I mean you can find that up on your engine.
It's going to be on the intake manifold or somewhere
really close to it. It's either going to be mounted
on the intake or it's going to have two hoses
going to it. But either way, there's going to be
a hose that goes to the back of the car
and an electrical connector. So what you're gonna do is
(16:11):
just start the car and get it idling, take off
the hose that goes to the gas tank, and then
you can just put your finger over where you took
that hose off, and if there's vacuum there, you know
it's failed, because there's no way it's going to be
in any kind of a purge at idle.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Only when it's driving down the road does that kick
on that highway.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Speed to va vacuum on the line or vacuum on
the velvet itself.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
On the valve itself. Okay, that's how you kind of
generally in a roundabout way test that. Okay, anything else
to test you would need some equipment involved.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Well that gives me a
place to start.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
All right. If you need more help, give us a call.
We appreciate the call. Thank you, you bet. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Evapp is a tough system for a lot of guys
to test. It's just every car is different car is
I mean remember Volvo ten years ago with that vents
Illinois that they refused to recall, but every one of
them failed. You had to take the whole rear cradle
out of the car to replace it.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, and then when they build cars, they don't build
them a lot of times. Sometimes most of the time
they do, but not all the time with serviceability. And
that's why it costs a darn much sometimes to well,
why do I if the part cost me twenty four dollars,
why is it two thousand dollars? Well, the parts twenty
four dollars. Where they put it at is a journey,
(17:41):
a journey, and that's the two thousand dollars. Part is
to get to it. And then also since you know
it kind of it brought up a different deal. That's
why most places anymore will charge a diagnostic fee because
we know the lights on the dash, we know the
codes are over here. But that especially in an EVAP code,
(18:02):
that is it gives you an area, it tells you
it's somewhere between the front and rear bumpers, especially in
EVAP code. And now you've got to go through a
specialized equipment in order to smoke that or do a
visual test, and a lot of times you eat up
an hour just doing all those tests and the parts
in labor beyond that testing is is what it costs
(18:26):
to fix the car. But you don't know what any
of that is until such time as you spend the
time to go do it and go take a look.
And it's unfortunately with the technology that are in cards anymore,
it's what you have to do. It used to be
there were much simpler. Car didn't run very good. It's loping,
it's it's blow and blow smoke out the back pipe, tailpipe. Yeah,
(18:50):
about about two minutes you could tell a car beeer
need to be overhalled.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, twenty five thirty years ago, we didn't have EVAP issues. Now,
we never worked on those systems, and we.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Didn't charge diagnoetick back then because you didn't need to
because it was fairly simple and fairly obvious within five
ten minutes of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Now, these cars all had EVAPP systems, But if you
ever suspected an issue, you just pop the hose off
the intake, put a thing over it and never hooked
it back up, or maybe you did.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But yeah, you know in this in this part of
the country, we probably disconnected more EVAPP stuff to make
it run right than.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, he didn't need it. No emissions test.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
In California, we had to hook it all up, and
we had to wait for the smog test to come in.
And when everybody kind of messed with their cars and
hoses were laying off, then we had to fail them
and then they had to come back the next day
or you know, pay a charge to for us to
put all that back together and hook it all up,
and then they had to pay it was it still
(19:46):
is kind of a rack.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And those were the hard earned days of EVAPP. I mean,
you look at lift a hood on any nineteen eighties
import car. I mean you got enough vacuum hosts to
go to the moon and back.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, yes, and you know it's all bad. Well that's
the other thing I'm happy we got rid of the
carburetors and things of that nature, is because we got
rid of all of that stuff and just it's it's
simplified the system a lot, but it's just more complicated
to figure out what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
So yeah, you ever take the bowl part on a
carburetor that the EVAF canisters failed on, you'll remember that.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, it's full of black charcoal, you bet all,
and you can't get it out. All right, We're gonna
take quick break on the Mister Mechanics Show five to five,
eight eleven, tens and numbers to get in with back
in a minute, guaranteed breaks, forty ninth Avenue and Dodge.
We're new breaks right the first time, stop in see us.
Let's get your car back on the road. Let's head
back over to Gordon's who has been waiting patiently at
(20:43):
seventeen f one to fifty. Thanks for waiting, Gordon. What's
going on today?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
So I bought this.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
This truck used a couple of years ago and it
had a Ford battery, and it's still got a Ford
battery in it. I don't drive it all the time,
but when I do drive it a lot, you know,
it doesn't you know, it's got that start stop thing
for the for the engine, but it doesn't stop when
the battery is when it says it's charging. Right, So
(21:11):
that's not a big deal except when I drive. I'll
go an hour hour and a half drive and then
an hour and a half back. By the time I
get back into town, it's starting and stopping, you know,
when you stop at the red lights and stuff. Not
doing that anymore. Is that battery going bad as or
a way to test it? I can't find a date
on it. I don't know how long this battery is
(21:32):
supposed to last.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, you know, average is probably anywhere from about four
to five years for the most part.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Most of them are way around three.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, most of them are. I think the average life
of a battery nationwide is about three and a half years,
depending on the climates you live in. Yes, A four
does have a stamp on there somewhere that it's only
they can read, and they kind of know what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You got to have the decoder ring.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Kind of you know. I found one on the battery,
what was it? An interstate? The other day I could
not find anything, and it was stamped in uh on
the side of the battery in oh like ink, very
non transparent ink that I could see what it was.
You might have to pull that battery out of there
(22:19):
and look at all sides of it very good or
unless there's a code or something stamped into the plastic
on the top, and then maybe find the Internet. I
don't know what the code is for Ford, be honest
with you, because they all kind of change their own deals.
Even though there's four battery manufacturers in the country, the
EVE have the each have their own individual way of
(22:40):
identifying a battery. So let's go back to your problem
that so the start stop doesn't work anymore and.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
You're just kind of what it says, you know, you
do on the screen. You click through and it tells
you what's going on. Right, It's right, it's a you're
at the red light, you got your foot on the brake,
and it says engine whatever running because of charging you know,
a low battery or whatever. It doesn't say low battery,
but it says charging right right, And I would think
(23:09):
after driving it for three hours plus, it's going to
be charged.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Agreed, agreed. And it depends on how much charge that
battery really needs, you know, I would probably just go
have it tested and just kind of see what percentage
you're at if it's if it's a seventeen, you would
have to think.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I would hope that it's been done once.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I would hope it's been done once also, and how
long have you had it?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I've had it for two years and I bought it.
I was the second owner. I bought it from a
Ford dealer, right, you know, so they went through everything
and I don't know if they changed the battery or.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
I'm you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I'm guessing they did. You know, in a lot of
times too, if you original Ford battery or original General
Motors battery or original whatever, the replacement battery looks different,
has difference stickers than what the original battery is a
lot of times it's just going to be a blacktop
and anything like that. And for Ford, their aftermarket, yeah,
(24:09):
there's going to say Motorcraft on it with a red
sticker and say different words and lettering. I'm guessing I'm
almost ninety five percent sure that you've got a different
battery in there from two years ago. It would be Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Would think it is just because of the age of
the car. So is that the reason that it's not
starting and stopping is because it's not holding enough charge.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Or now that's something different. That would be something different.
The start stop just has to do with it. Is
it's relying on that battery to run things right when
it stopped. But no, there's something else that's going on
in that start stop that that unrelated to your battery.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Actually, I don't care if it starts and stuffs or not.
I think it's kind of a pain in the butt,
but it's you know it. It troubled me that, you know,
when I don't drive it, you know, but when I
drive it for a long period, I would expect it
to be fully charged and agree.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Because I'd have to do more research on that. This
is the first kind of time we've run across that
it kind of works and don't work.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean, normally we get them towed in where they
pull up to a stop and then the battery is dead,
and then we got to tow them.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
In, right. And we've been putting a lot of start
stops on vehicles here lately because we found a great
place that has great units and just bypass them, bypass
them because a lot of people realize that when they
do one starter for anywhere from six to eight hundred
or nine hundred dollars for a starter, they go, how
(25:49):
do we stop that from happening anymore? And so yeah,
we spend another one hundred and fifty bucks or so
to put this on and the never don't have that
problem anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Okay, that's that's yeah, if I could, if I could
do that, I would get I would get one of
those wherever that those are.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, well we've we've we've searched the internet and
and and you know, if you want to hang on,
I can give you the give you the the place
that we use them for.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
So yeah, that that that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be great.
And I've got another question for a too, And this
is on a on a nineteen uh my mother in law.
It's my mother in law's truck. She's she's a farmer,
but it hasn't been driven in a year or so
because she's had some some medical issues. So it's just
sitting in the garage, and I'm sure the battery is dead.
(26:40):
I charged it once, but you know it doesn't. Those
things suck suck energy like nobody's business, as you know,
even if it's just sitting there, right, should should I
take that thing out and start driving it just to
get you know, go through all the gas and all
of that and and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
If it's been for a year, it wouldn't hurt. I would,
and you can, and you got the availability to do it. Yeah,
I would probably take it out and jump started, drive
it around for a while, and you'll keep it for
a week, drive all the gas out of it, put
fresh gas in it, and just kind of, you know,
go out and start it up every once in a
while and let it run for twenty minutes or a
half an hour, maybe every three weeks or a month,
(27:22):
and just kind of keep it going like that.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Okay, Okay, Yeah, I'm kind of more worried about the
gas than I have anything else.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Rightly, it's going to be sealed. You know, if it's
been a year, it's probably it's going to still be good.
But that year turns into a year and a half.
Which turns into two and then you're on the other
side of a problem.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Right, yeah, right, kind of kind of my thoughts, yep, yep.
And what I was thinking was what I what I
could do is use all the gas up, fill it
back up, and put some stables in there.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah. I don't know that I would use stable if
I would fill it back up. If it was mine
and I'm in the situation, I'm going to probably uh
spend a little bit extra money and I'm going to
fill it full of premium, and I'm gonna lot premium
is going to last a lot longer than what your
ethanols are, especially if over a long period time.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Well, so, so she's on the farm, she's got a
tank of gas. It's all gas.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's oh perfect perfect Yeah yeah, I no, no, even better?
So I could I could fill it up with that,
yeah even better?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Okay, Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Appreciate the call, Gordon, thank you. All Right, We're gonna
head over to Dave. Dave's got a two thousand Chevy pickup. Dave,
what's up today.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
I'm trying to find that additive for a locking differential.
I noticed the tenda was chirp, and I'm like I'm
gonna change the all the fluid, but I kind of
remember there's an attitude that goes in there.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's like a friction modifier.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Friction modifiers what they call it. You know, you can
you should be able to find out just about any
parts store if they if they know kind of what
they're looking for. But or friction modifiers is what it is.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's generally back on the wall with all the oils.
It's a little small can of it. Yeah, it's had
one in the kind of looks like a five hour energy.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's yeah, it kind of looks like a five hour energy.
But it's going to be back with the like the
the ninety weights and all those specialty oils, and there's
going to be something on the on the rack there
that they have with that. And you know, Ford has one.
I think we've even put a Ford in in uh
in a General Motors before and to work just.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Fine, okay for tough without Chevy stuff.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
This is a two thousand. It's real hard to work
on all the computers and it is the Last time
I went to the auto store for an oil filter,
the young guy gave me a canister filter for Toyota
and and then argued with me, that's the one that
was on the computer. I'm like, no, you know that
(30:07):
that oil filter fits probably a million general motors things
I would imagine, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, they tell you the exact number of that filter.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, they go zero six year O. Yeah. A lot
of times they go what's on the computer of what
some Pewter can programmer put it in there? And yeah,
I get argued with too sometimes and I know what
I'm doing. So it's it's you just have to be
a sort of and say this is what I want,
Please go get this.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I wasn't going to argue with them, but they're real
small canisters and like my daughter's card takes that. Oh
those But yeah, anyways, I went to another store got them.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah you know, it's change.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
The oil in the different oil and put that additive in.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, you know what, you know, you just have to
have been somebody else, you know what you know, because
you've you've you've already done it many times.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
So couple times. Yeah, Yeah, it's high enough. I can
get under it with my beer belly.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's like, yeah, Clarence, that's always a factor, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Under there?
Speaker 9 (31:18):
I don't want anybody's even getting out underneath of it?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well do it at night.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Well you guys have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right. Appreciate the call. Day, Yes you as well.
You as well appreciate the call. All right, we'll go
take a quick breaking the mister mechanic show, come back
and answer some more questions. To be back in a minute.
Randy has got an old dog out there. Eighty four
Ford F two fifty Randy, what's up today?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You know what? You guys have fixed about eight of
my cars. Happy holidays to ye. You guys are wonderful.
Wouldn't miss the show. Eighty four Ford F two fifty
heater Core issue truck has never left the acreage in
sixteen years. Heater Core is totally shot. What on YouTube
says you got to take the whole housing out if
(32:02):
you got air conditioning. My mechanic told me there's eight
bolts behind the glove box and you can slide a
new one in to Back to your.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Education.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
What's involved in this thing? I'm trying to decide if
I can handle it.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's not going to be the hardest thing you've ever done.
Does the truck have air conditioning. Let's start there. Yes,
does the air conditioning work?
Speaker 8 (32:30):
No?
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Okay, never will work again?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
All right. I don't think that there's much of any
AC interference on that truck, because I've got kind of
a picture in my head. We have a few of
these we work on. I mean, the box is right there,
and I mean you got your hoses that kind of
go right through a portion of it that you can
still get off of there. But I think, if I
(32:53):
remember right, it's been a while since I've done a
heater core on these. But you just take your glovebox
door completely off, and you're gonna see just a panel
right there staring at you with a few bolts in it,
and then there's just a strap that holds the heater
core in that. But I don't think that there's anything
crazy detrimental that you have to take the entire AC
(33:15):
housing off of this thing. And I mean, even if
you do, I mean the hardest part to that is
getting the wheel well off. You got to take that
plastic under, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
And the problem is so rusty being a plow truck
that I hate to take anything apart because there at
anything left by the time I get done.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, you shouldn't really have too much issue here inside
the car. I mean, if you're really lucky, your floor's
gone and you can just slide up underneath it, climb
through the bottom of the floor, you'll be looking right
at the heater corn.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
No, that's what I have. On the other side. It's
real convenient when I lock my keys in the car
because I just stick my hand up there and get
the door handle off.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Oh yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I did have one opinion from a very educated business
owner in the Omaha area that he did do a
car once he cut the air conditioning lines and ran
the heater cool the heater lines through the air conditioner
evac unit.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Oh well, that's that's thinking outside the box.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It'll work the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, same stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I just thought i'd ask if I run into too
many problems. It's an option.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, And I remember doing one of these back in
the day. And you're right. They're just inside the there's
not a lot you got to take them apart, and
they they're just a yeah, they're they're they're considerably easier
than what's going on today.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Well that's why I'm driving this old stuff, sir, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And I can.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Still handle the challenge.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, and if it's if it's that rusty, and that's
not a problem either. Just uh, get some zip ties
while you're at the part store. Everything everything zip ties
back together. That's not a problem. Yeh.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Hey, you guys have a happy new Year and so
grateful for the show. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Appreciate the call. Appreciate the call. All right, we got
time for one more. Bob thirteen Lincoln, Bob, what's up today?
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Yeah? About too much go on? My breaks went bad.
You could just push them down on the floor.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Still stopped you.
Speaker 10 (35:18):
Anyway, took them a canic. You put a new break
can or break?
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Did the break thing okay?
Speaker 10 (35:26):
Massive cylinder okay, worked great for about two weeks and
now it's doing it again.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Took her back to him.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
He doesn't know what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well, we've been through this. I don't know how many
times the power boosters bad. I see, I can't tell
you how many times we've done this. Job Ward
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