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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Meet Bob. He's a four time tire rotation champion. When
he was a baby, his first words were automatic transmission fluid.
Bob's so cool he has engine coolant running through his veins.
And then there's Kyle, also known as Premium Unleaded. Legend
has it that Kyle can change your oil with his toes,
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and that he can tell your tires ill pressure just by.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
How you're walking.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's Bob, He's Kyle, and every Saturday morning they morphed
together to form the greatest superhero known to man. Mister
Mechanic check engine lights, don't stand a chance. This is
the Mister Mechanic Show. On eleven ten, kfab.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Great Saturday morning to U. This is the Mister Mechanic Show.
Five five, eight, eleven tens the numbers to get in,
Get in early so we can answer that question. Get
you back to the that's in that car, get into
the parts stored, whatever it is you're gonna do. Maybe
it's just knowledge for next week when it kind of
warms up just a little bit. I'm Bob. Sitting next
to me is Kyle. Good morning, Kyle. Yep, we're here.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
We made it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We made it. Cooling off a little bit today, So
I don't know if the today is the day to
get out in the in the not in the driveway.
All this week was.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, it was great week. There can't be anything broke.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, we kind of made it through our you know,
cold snap, and I see some things are still kind
of breaking here and there. You know, usually it happens.
You got into good three weeks to a month after
that's super cold. And we did have a lot of noises,
a lot of things. We checked out that my car's
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making noise and it does. Yeah, when it's super sub
blow zero, you.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Know, nothing sounds right. It's all cold, so you.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Are Yeah, and there's noises you haven't heard for years
until that comes out. Well it comes out. It came
out last year. But you don't leave those alone. You
don't remember that when it happens twice, the squeaks and
the groans and the why does the transmission sound that way?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And that in plastic parts. I have done more Jeep
Chrysler Pentastar three six three two oil coolers in the
last week and a half than probably all year. Yeah,
I mean we had a case of them in the show.
And I'm through with all those and we got more
on order.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So what happens there is that we the older engines
used to have gaskets and that gasket would be bolted down,
a flat, paper thick gasket and it would last longer.
Oh yeah, but when you went to replace it, scraping
that gasket was a pain, better, a huge pain. So
now they have gone to the point where it's probably
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ease of installation of the engine, like like we've always
mentioned the the ease of installation or assembly rather at
the at the assembly plant when they put it together.
That's how they're designing things. Yeah, and so they're putting
no rings everywhere, well, old rings into flat rings and.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
In this case you got aluminum sandwich between plastic with
a rubber ring in the middle.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right, something's gonna happen, right, The O rings turned to
flat rings, and flat rings when it's super cold leak
like crazy. And sometimes you can make it past that,
but if you have a couple of weeks stretch of
cold weather, it's pouring more oil out than you can
put in. You got to fix it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So here's the thing. I'm doing an experiment right now
as we speak, and who knows when it's experiment is
going to be done. Okay, So my wife drives a
jeep with a three to six and guess what was
leaking when it snowed.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh yeah, the oil filter daptor housing.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You bet it was. So did I do the oil
filter daptor housing. No, because you know I'm tighter than
two coats of paint. So I ordered a seal kit
for five bucks. Okay, you get all the seals for
this thing, because as we know, it's never the housing,
it's always the O rings. So I was reading in
the sky online at Chrysler dealership in Ohio or whatever.
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He just replaces the rings, but he says, let's put
silicon on him and they lasts longer. Okay, how long
has this guy's experiment been going. I don't know. So anyway,
I was like, for five bucks and I get to
talk about it on the radio, Sure, let's do it.
I mean, what am I out? I get to pull
an intake back off that I've done millions of.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, it takes you twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah. So anyway, that's I got the mileage wrote down
on the top of the cooler. So as soon as
it starts leaking again, you guys are going to find.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So you plan on keeping the car that long?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Oh maybe, I mean unless somebody tolls it out. If anything,
I'll pull the motor and let it run on a stand.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh there you go, There you go.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I have the capability.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
We'll be waiting to figure out how long that lasts. Now,
the silicon O rings might happen. It might do it
because it's it allows movement a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, maybe the hold appliable. I mean this guy said
that they last longer. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, the Internet is not wrong. We all know that.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah. The day that it starts leaking again, I'm be
on the phone with him.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yep, We're go and talk to him. All right, we're
gonna head over to the Mike's got an O nine
Forward Edge. Mike, what's up today?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I got an nine Ford Edge We've bought probably two
months ago, and it says it's got a twenty gallon
tank on the internet. The book says he's got a
twenty gallon tank. I runner down the empty empty and
I can only put fifteen gallon in it.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
You got.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I think it's got a fifteen gallon tank. Then unless
you unless you've got something in it. You're only two choices.
There are what well, Kyle just said, you've got a
fifteen gallon tank, or there's something in that tank.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
There's five gallons. The difference is that's a lot. That's
more than just my shoulders in there. I got this
in the tank.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, it's more than filling up the hoses, in the necks,
in the in the tank, you've you've got something else
in there that's not allowing you to fill that five
extra gallons. Because I agree with Kyle, that's that's a
lot of fuel.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And you can call the Ford dealership, give them your vendam.
They'll have the entire build list for this forward Edge
and that might be the way to go because this
might have been some first run or something like that
that had a different tank. That wouldn't be the first
time we've seen it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, and a lot of times you'll have different.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
They have no idea. The frustration when we order a
fuel pump for what tank it's supposed to have and
we find out something difference in there.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
There's some difference. It's difference in UH trim levels. There
can be difference in wheelbases, all wheel drive not all
wheel drive.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The depth of the tank for the float. I mean
there's so much involved in it. But yeah, I mean
calling the dealership and getting the build sheet, that's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The way to go.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, and you just get the build sheet or just
ask them to say how big a tank is?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Technically in here, so my so in it, and it's
got the computer on the on how many miles empty
when you fill it pump full, it's you know, it
says three eighty or four hundred, and we get to
we get two hundred eighty maybe, I mean we're getting
short of by one hundred gallons or one hundred miles,
I guess, you know. So that's that I was wondering
if the tank is crushing or or or or if
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it's just a fifteen gallon tank. I mean, that's that's
my question. So I'll call the dealership.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, find out what it is for sure, unless it's
for some reason, uh, collapsing or under vacuum that it's
it's sucking itself up.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
You'd have a check engine light.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, you would think you would. I have seen some
plastic tanks, you know, with a vacuum on the engine
with something else going bad. Can polish, yeah, yeah, you
can see that the gas tank will will suck itself up,
and when it does that, I could see maybe five
gallons going away that from there. But you should easily
be able to see that if you get underneath the car.
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That should be when you put a full tank of gas,
and you can see it level on the bottom or
even maybe sagging ever so slightly. If you see it
sucked up in the bottom, there could be your issue.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Okay, try it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, try both of those. Let us know we'll be interested.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You bet appreciate the call. We're going to head over
to Mike. Mike's got a thirteen CRV. Mike, what's up today?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Hey, I've got to It's a four cylinder seventy thousand
miles moderate to light acceleration on level ground, twenty five
thirty miles an hour. Transmission shutters.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, what have you tried to do anything with it?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
No, I haven't. I hadn't serviced at about sixty two
thousand miles. This had the change the FIUID and so on,
and I haven't done anything. I've looked on the internet.
This seems to be somewhat of a common problem.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Okay, have you guys.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Heard of it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
A little bit here and there on certain cars. I mean,
fluid can make a big difference in a lot of
different transmissions. Your two choices here are too. If you've
already had it done at sixty and you say it's
got seventy or eighty, I've ran into it before you
can change the fluid again. Does a fluid look good?
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Did you use the aftermarket or Honda fluid?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
No? Certified?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Okay, okay, Yeah, that's probably where I would probably maybe
have them take a look at it, put it on
a scanner. They're gonna put it on a scanner, kind
of check things over a little bit and make sure
what's supposed to be happening is actually happening.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It could be an axle joint something like that causing this.
I mean it doesn't necessarily I mean because you feel
it in the drive line. I mean it could be
something easy.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Before we do that, we got to look at pressures.
Pressures are the thing. We got to see what kind
of pressures are going through these servos, through the valive body,
things like that, before we can.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Do you feel a vibration in the steering wheel, anything
else like that when you back off, does it kind
of go away.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
No, it seems like you're thirty is going just between
twenty five and thirty at the moderate acceleration on level ground.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's what's happens, So it doesn't happen on kind of
going up a hill a little bit. So, yeah, don't
I still agree with Kyle. You've got to hook up
and make sure that everything that, let's just say, are
one through ten numbers that we're going to look through
on a transmission are where they're supposed to be. And
you don't have number five that's way out of whack,
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and that's number two shifting salin oil. It's just you know,
for what example out and that's kind of hanging on
for a long time and go, okay, well there's your problem.
But if everything looks normal, then you start looking elsewhere
from there.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Yeah, all right, appreciate it. I love the show. You
guys should go on the road.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah we should. All right, I appreciate to call Mike.
All right, we're gonna take a quick break on the
Mister Mechanics show. Five, five, eight, eleven, tens and numbers
should get in. We got an open line for you.
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Speaker 4 (11:16):
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Speaker 8 (11:18):
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Speaker 3 (11:27):
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Speaker 5 (11:28):
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Speaker 7 (11:30):
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Speaker 3 (11:56):
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Speaker 2 (11:59):
Buddy, We're going to head back into the calls. Aaron's
got an eleven Honda pilot. Aaron, what's up today?
Speaker 10 (12:15):
So i have a twenty eleven pilot and I've had
the oil tan gas get replaced. I've had the oil
pump the seal around that replaced, and I keep having
the same little drip of oil come out from under it.
And I cannot figure out where on Earth this leak
is coming from. I don't know if it could be
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the rearmain seal and if that's even worth fixing or
just keep putting oil into the darn tank.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, well you've got to V six ye, Honda, So
when you say so, walk me through this. I got
a great idea of what the underside of this car
looks like. Where is this drip coming from? Or do
you just get underneath there and the entire oil pans
covered in oil?
Speaker 10 (12:59):
Well, I am only seeing the oil it keeps like
gathering around the drain plug itself, and then when I
go and investigate upward from that, I am having a
hard time figuring out where on earth it could be
coming from. I've even just gotten a completely different drain plug,
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thinking that maybe there's something wrong with the drain plug itself.
And I actually also thought that maybe it could be
coming from the power steering fluid because the rack and pinion,
the boot on the rack and pinion is wet with
a thicker oil on it, like it's something's been dripping
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on it. But so I put some dye in the
power steering fluid, and I don't see any of that
die on my groad floor yet, So it's a mystery.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Have you looked at the oil filter? The oil filters
on an adapter bre backet that screws to the engine,
and sometimes those will have issues because it's just kind
of a press together gasket that seals it.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Yes, I have kind of trail at the dealership and
and uh, it's not coming from there, okay, So I
don't know what is left to check.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So so the other question I have, since you said
you put a new uh drain plug in it, did
you put a drain plug and a gasket from from
the dealership or did you whatever came out of the
box with that plastic thing that's on there, plastic gasket.
Speaker 10 (14:36):
No, I put a new I put a new crush
washer in there. Is that what you're asking.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Washer?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
There are certain manufacturers. Boy, if you don't use what
they have on there, it's gonna leak. And a lot
of times they also and is this does this drain
plug drain plug also tightened up okay? Or is it
kind of like it's you're a little scared to tighten it?
Speaker 11 (15:03):
Well?
Speaker 10 (15:03):
I put it at twenty nine foot pounds. I even
bought myself a rent that tells me how tight I'm
putting it, so I don't overtighten because I don't want
to strip it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, and they're very common to do that. They're very common.
They'll pull threads. They'll pull threads, and that threads inside
there are not holding as good as they could should
or want to, and so over a period of time,
when it gets hot, it's seeping through there. So the
only way to really find a good oil leak like
that is to clean everything off, and you've got to
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monitor it. To sit here and run.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Here's a good idea. And I've done this on aluminum too,
because you say, when you look above the drain plug,
it's kind of vague as to if there's oil there,
right right, Okay, So here's what I want you to do.
Climb under there, clean everything off with some brake clean
just get it dry to where there's no residue on it.
Take some white spray paint. Spray paint that pan, because
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that's gonna tell you any color, it's gonna magnify it
way more than the aluminum color will be. It's probably
you know, corroded, so it would be hard to tell
if there's some seepage up there. If it's running quick.
Hot oil doesn't generally leave a trail that good if
it's running quick, but yeah, put some spray paint on there,
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then you'll know, Hey, this is coming from up here.
Or I've got an issue with this drain plug. Maybe
I just need to throw a new pan at it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. We got to define whether it's
high or low.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah. And once you've defined that, you can say, Okay,
maybe the seal isn't very good on my pan, or
you're right, it's not out of the realm of possibility
to just throw a new pan in it and be done.
We do. Ok.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
The other bit of information here is that this is
a new oil pan.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Okay, sure we've had problems with those two.
Speaker 10 (17:00):
Okay, well maybe it could be.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But yeah, try the spray paint thing. That's what I
would do. I mean, it's helped me a lot in
the past, but I'll do it. You get to go
to Walmart get a dollar can of spray paint. It
doesn't have to be anything fancy.
Speaker 12 (17:13):
Yeah, Okay, thank you for the advice.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You bet appreciate the call.
Speaker 11 (17:17):
Aaron.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
We're gonna head over to Keith. Keith got a fourteen Silverado, Keith,
what's up today?
Speaker 13 (17:24):
Hey, good morning, thanks for taking my call. Hey, I
got this Silverado here probably, I don't know, a couple
of months ago. It threw a P zero six d
D code. So I did my research and it said
that my oil could be.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Dirty.
Speaker 13 (17:43):
So I changed the oil. Sure enough, the code went
away and and then probably two hundred and fifty miles
after oil change, it came back on.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
Okay, so I know this one, Okay, Okay, So this
oil pressure control solenoid, I actually just diagnosed one yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Okay, it's a fun one.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So when they went to this cylinder deactivation, this active
fuel management, they essentially made this a VVT style engine.
And this oil pressure controls solenoid is like the VVT
solenoid in any other VVT engine. It's just a back
and forth solenoid that controls oil pressure. Well, it's doing
(18:34):
it right at your pump, and these have a huge
failure rate. So the diagnostic for it is, I mean, basically,
I hook my scope up to it, I command this
thing on while monitoring oil pressure, and there's a spec
I think you know, it's got to move a minimum
of five psi up or down when you command it
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on or off, and if it doesn't, then you're going inside.
This particular solenoid is manufactured inside the oil pump. It's
not serviceable. You have to replace the oil pump, which.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Means you're pulling the oil pant, pull pulling the front
differential oil pan, front timing cover.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's a big repair.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, it's a big repair all because the oil pumps
run off of the front of the trank.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, but it's not an uncommon thing, and we are
seeing more and more of them as these trucks are
getting older. I say, I just diagnosed one actually yesterday,
and you know we're seeing you know, maybe one a
month now.
Speaker 13 (19:34):
Okay, So that was my question is if I'm just
gonna have to go ahead and replace the oil pump,
how how mandatory is this? Replacement?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oil pumps are very important.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
Yeah, now I.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Have proper oil pressure.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 13 (19:50):
So I'm just like, well, what's.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Going on here? You know? So in that, I mean,
if it's just this particular solenoid that's going bad, I mean,
eventually it's gonna snowball into some other things because your
VVT isn't working.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, so you're gonna get misfires and things like that
because it's not.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Oh eventually yeah. That and I mean you've got us
you know, your VVT s solenoid feeds your VVT actuator
that's on your camshaft. So this thing's trying to move
and it's running dry, right, So you're eventually if you
do replace it, I mean, you could end up with
a blown out actuator because the clearances are off inside there,
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because it's not getting correct oil pressure. You could I mean,
with that thing not having oil, you could retard your
timing completely to baseline where you just have poor performance.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or it's not getting lubricated inside the engine like it should.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah. Yeah, so I mean oil pressure at your switch.
I mean, yeah, that's great. I mean that'll save your bearings,
your rods, all this stuff.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
But I mean it's those things, those timing components that
are gonna really see the effects of it. Yeah, well
a couple, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, every bit of twenty five I'm sure, and
without just off the top of my head. So if
it's something you want to tackle, that's awesome. If not,
bring it down to Kyle. Yeah, Kyle, tackle, no trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Okay, all right, good, thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Appreciate the call. Keith. All Right, we're gonna take a
quick break on the Mister Mechanic Show and come back
and answer a question a minute. We are Buchanan Service Centers.
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help you out with your car. We're gonna head over
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to Pat. Pat's been waiting patiently. Thanks Pat. He's got
an eighty four Mercury Cougar one hundred and seventy ten
thousand miles. Holy moly.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh yeah, she's a pretty sweet car, you know, but
she's been hurt for the last five years. I live
out here on the Elkorn River, so me and all
my stuff got hit party hard by the flood. It
made it up. It made it up to the krimline
on the Cougar, and I also have a seventy ran
Tarro with seventy thousand miles on it went up to
the rim line, and I redid all my jeeps, all
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my vehicles, all the fluids, and they're all find except
the Cougar. The electronic serve off on her. Some of
the windows work, lights work, but that's going worse as
it you know, as it goes. But she's just really clean.
I drive her for ten minutes and she overheats. I
replaced the uh you know, the water water pump about
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everything there is to do with just the heating problem,
you know, thermostat and all that, and hoses and everything.
And I'm at the point where I'm pretty stuffed and
I'm going can can can sand get inside of the motor?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Like the water jackets, Well, the engine would have to
be submerged.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, And we made.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
It when I when I started it up the day,
you know, a couple after the flood, I got them
all out. The rancher started right up, shot the water
right up the dross, and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Becuar did well what I think you got going on,
especially was in a flood. I think you've got a
problem with the with the radiator.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
All the seaweed and everything plugged up in the front.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ye and you could pull you could pull that apart
in the front condenser and the radiator and look in
there and it could be all full of crap or
it could be nice and clean. But we have seen
over the years, uh, we've had overheating problems. And you
look in between there and look smooth and clean as
a whistle. You pull it out, hold it up to
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the sun, and you can't. It is so packed full
of sand in there, it won't allow it to breathe
at all.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
So I didn't even that didn't even cross my mind,
because you know, there ain't no oil in the water,
and there ain't no water in the oiling. I didn't
even think about it. You know the front, you know,
the transmission cooler, and then the radiator. You got stuff
packed in there, and you know, I took a lot
of my stuff there to the bob radiator lead down
(24:00):
there off eighty nine by motorcycle things, and uh he
would be the guy, only radiator guy, I know. Yeah,
And uh so you're thinking the radiator, so.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You don't I definitely start looking there.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Sure, well that's the easiest fish for me. I can't
think of none other than maybe pulling the oil pan
off and the heads and see if they're packed up
in there.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yep, yep, it's it was real good. It's no different
than when you see a drain gutter somewhere with a
with a with a guard over top of it and
all the debris it catches. Yeah, when you have all
that water rushing past there. You could be amazed how
much stuff is out there on the ground that you
walk over top of but don't think of until it
floats and then it gets up in there.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Ye, it made it into the radiator. I'm sure it was.
It was up to the bumper. So yeah, and so
now the good it's gonna be warm the next couple
of days. I know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Doing with the car, and make sure if you see
just a bunch of debris in there, that you clean
it out. But don't just go so far, Sae. I
look at all that crap. I'm gonna just go blow
it out, and I'm gonna be done.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Take a garden hoset, get your radiator out of the car, exactly.
Get get a garden host, plush through it, flow check
your radiator as well.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yeah, I'll get all I'll get all that stuff going on.
Yeahs You've got a lot of the tools for the
pusher and all that, and that won't be no problem there.
So I asked, I'm glad you good, because you know
she run for ten minutes and you know it will
take her too far down the road. I live out
in the country, and to grab them. Yeah, go down
(25:35):
half mile, turn her around and she'll die right there. Yeah,
right back up and come up. And it's just you
can feel the hoses blowed up and everything.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, you better stop doing that. You're gonna have a
head gasket out of it before too long. So go
do that. You'll be fine, all right. Appreciate it, Pat,
appreciate the call. We're gonna head over to Joe. Joe's
got a nineteen Ford Fusion. Joe, what's up today?
Speaker 12 (25:59):
Hey, the twenty nineteen Ford Fusion. It's got the Eco
boost engine and a.
Speaker 11 (26:07):
Turbo, and that thing is just making all kinds of
noise and.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It just sounds like horrible.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
I don't know if it might be the lifters or
if it's valves or the turbo.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
That's bad.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
To start, trust you, I'd start with the oil system
and that engine.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah. So when you say horrible, what's it sound clacking
like you don't have enough oil in it? It sound
like whistling. Come on, make some noises for us.
Speaker 12 (26:41):
It's quacking like crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
You know, it probably sounds like you got a five
gallon bucket with some nuts and bolts in there. You're
shaking around right, yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
And the plastic valve covers and all of that, it's
hard to tell what the heck it's doing. We've changed
the oil on it religiously, so you know oil, yeah,
and using synthetic.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna
put an oil pressure gauge on this car, a mechanical one,
and I want to see exactly what my oil pressure is.
Let it warm up. Is it losing oil pressure drastically?
I mean, if I see you know, two or three
pounds of pressure drop, you know between a heat cycle,
I'm not gonna worry about that. I'm worried about five
(27:28):
or ten pounds. Secondly, we've got to narrow this noise
down because I mean, these engines, either the oil pumps
fail and then you've got no oil at all and
you just lock up an engine. But the fact that
yours is still running tells me it's probably something internal.
Maybe a timing chain guide has broken. Also, these engines
(27:51):
had problems with the cam phasers, the actuators on the
camshaft that the chain goes on. It looks like a
big gear. Well, there's a de tent on these that
just kind of screws into there, like an oil pressure
de tent on any pump. And instead of having a
screw in one that you know, we've used for years
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on all different kinds of pumps and assemblies that work great,
Ford decided to make them press in. What do you
think happened to them?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Popped out?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Popped out. So now you've got a phaser that's just
kind of free wheeling through.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The Yeah, it's just going back and forth, bang bang
bang bang bang bang, because it doesn't it needs to
be in one specific spot, smooth spot.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And essentially, I mean to put it in very generic terms,
a phaser is just a very very very loose fitting
gear that uses oil and it fills up one side
of the looseness or the other side to advance or
retard your cam timing. There's videos about it. It's very
you know, but once you see one taking apart, you
can see where, hey, if this thing loses the detent
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can't make oil pressure, they get loud.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's not really yeah, it could be really loud. It's
not really a novice repair either. It's uh something you've
got to pull things down.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
There's ten tools to line that engine up.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, ten tools and you've got camphasers and chains and
things like that. Nothing that we can't do. So if
you get to that point we need some help, we
can handle it.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Well.
Speaker 12 (29:22):
Yeah, a lot of people are thinking, you know, I've
just got it.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Sitting for now.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, and you've got to spend the time to somebody's
got to spend the time to diagnose what it is.
So is it is it a two thousand dollars repair
or is it is it a ten thousand dollars repair?
Engine replacement? And then do I do something with the
turbo because it's got X amount of miles on it.
So spend the money to have a diagnose where you
need to be. Then you can make an informed decision.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
Yeah, make an informed decision hopefully get it repaired for
only one thousand or two and unloaded.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah yeah, well exactly, it is what it is. But
you yeah, we don't want to repair anything that's going
to be just you know, short term, but you know, yeah,
we want to make it right. So yeah, yeah, you bet.
Joe appreciate the call as always. Yeah, it's uh, those
cam phasers, it's almost like the old remember the three
(30:19):
point eight leter crank shafts that crankshaft harmonic balancers.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, exactly like that.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
The rubber would break out of the harmonic balancers, bang
back and forth, and it sounded like there was a
rod just going to come through this engine. It turned
out all it was was.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
The hall harmonic balance.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, hell harmonica, it was. It was kind of a
crazy noise.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And it wasn't a random thing like they would just break.
There wasn't anything kind of leading up to it, like
it's starting to make a little noise.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Nope, nope, it was fine, and then it's gone, and
then it's gone. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take quick
break on the Mister Mechanics Show five, five, eight, eleven ten.
We might be able to get one more call in.
Bill's got a fifteen jeep with an oil consumption issue. Bill,
what's up today?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, Hey guys, I've got twenty fifteen jeep Wrangler with
the three six and it's got one hundred and two
thousand miles on it. I want to say, around the
eighty thousand mark started to notice the oil consumption. You know,
reading online seems like a common problem. I switched over
(31:27):
from twenty eight to thirty weight. So I'm running five
W thirty, but you know it still likes to drink
a court probably every fifteen hundred miles. You know, if
I'm changing synthetic every five thousand, I'm probably having to
add at least two courts in between changes to keep
the oil level. And I wanted to see if you
(31:50):
guys had any ideas. I've changed the PCV valve, I've
done some other work to the vehicle, and when I
pull the fill cap while it's running in at timber
t Or, I don't feel any blowby. But I have
put the new oil cooler in. It doesn't leak. And
I did notice oil in the intake, so I know
(32:11):
that it's getting pushed up to the intake. Yeah, I
wanted to get you guys' thoughts on this.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, it sounds like he doesn't handling that much blowby
coming through. So if you've got a PCB bow sounds
like it's it's going into the engine and coming back
out of the engine in a good rate.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And they're pcvs and these pentastars, it's a very very primitive.
I mean it's pretty much a fresh air vent.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, I'm just gonna say it's like some metered rifice
more or less.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, very lightly metered. I mean it's I mean, in
my opinion, it's not enough. But I'm just a guy
on the radio.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So it's worked on a bunch of cars.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, so yeah, they've had the issues. Sure, you know
in retros. I mean a cord every fifteen hundred miles.
I mean that's pretty good for some of the cars.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I see some. Yeah, I was gonna say it's not
over the top.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
You're right, most of them. I'm gonna say, get diagnosed
down to piston ring issues. And I mean, you don't
have a lot of blowby now, but I mean we're
also like, like I say, it's not really using a
lot of oil.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Now, Yeah, and you and your compression is gonna come
from your upper two rings. It's it's the oil ConTroll
ring that's down on the bottom. That is what's is
not being controlled. It's an oil controllering. So what additive
I mean, you're down to that particular portion of you're
down to piston rings and you know, pistons and whatever
else is going on inside there. So you maybe could
(33:43):
add some marvel missed oil.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, and into the crank case and just kind of
do that over a long period of time. Marvele. Missed
oil is just exactly what it says. It's some sort
of mystery oil. We don't know what's in it because
they won't tell us. But it helps, it works, or
it does help break down the carbon and everything else
that sticks.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
That is it?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Is it enough that's gonna do it really quickly?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Is it going to do over long period of time?
It might? It might. We've seen lifters come unstuck that's
been carboned up terribly and solve that problem over over
four or five six oil change time, So that can
turn into a while, depending on what your oil change
time is. That would be what I would try. Otherwise
(34:30):
you're gonna pull it apart in order to do something.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Is yeah, I mean anything we're going to do. I mean,
from what you're describing, if you don't have crazy amounts
of blow by coming out of your oil tube, you're
not leaking it. You know that you're not leaking it
because we can't see it and.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You can't thicken up in your oil too much more
in otherwise you're going to start other VBT problems and
things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean, the only other thing you can do is
maybe pull some spark plugs out. Is there a spark
plug that's black? I mean, you're probably not mis firing.
I mean, you didn't say you were running bad or
how to check engine light, But I mean you might
see one that's a little bit more discolored than another one.
Meet Bob. He's a four time tire rotation champion. When
he was a baby, his first words were automatic transmission fluid.
Bob's so cool he has engine coolant running through his veins.
And then there's Kyle, also known as Premium Unleaded. Legend
has it that Kyle can change your oil with his toes,
(00:22):
and that he can tell your tires ill pressure just by.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
How you're walking.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's Bob, He's Kyle, and every Saturday morning they morphed
together to form the greatest superhero known to man. Mister
Mechanic check engine lights, don't stand a chance. This is
the Mister Mechanic Show. On eleven ten, kfab.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Great Saturday morning to U. This is the Mister Mechanic Show.
Five five, eight, eleven tens the numbers to get in,
Get in early so we can answer that question. Get
you back to the that's in that car, get into
the parts stored, whatever it is you're gonna do. Maybe
it's just knowledge for next week when it kind of
warms up just a little bit. I'm Bob. Sitting next
to me is Kyle. Good morning, Kyle. Yep, we're here.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
We made it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We made it. Cooling off a little bit today, So
I don't know if the today is the day to
get out in the in the not in the driveway.
All this week was.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, it was great week. There can't be anything broke.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, we kind of made it through our you know,
cold snap, and I see some things are still kind
of breaking here and there. You know, usually it happens.
You got into good three weeks to a month after
that's super cold. And we did have a lot of noises,
a lot of things. We checked out that my car's
(01:38):
making noise and it does. Yeah, when it's super sub
blow zero, you.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Know, nothing sounds right. It's all cold, so you.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Are Yeah, and there's noises you haven't heard for years
until that comes out. Well it comes out. It came
out last year. But you don't leave those alone. You
don't remember that when it happens twice, the squeaks and
the groans and the why does the transmission sound that way?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And that in plastic parts. I have done more Jeep
Chrysler Pentastar three six three two oil coolers in the
last week and a half than probably all year. Yeah,
I mean we had a case of them in the show.
And I'm through with all those and we got more
on order.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So what happens there is that we the older engines
used to have gaskets and that gasket would be bolted down,
a flat, paper thick gasket and it would last longer.
Oh yeah, but when you went to replace it, scraping
that gasket was a pain, better, a huge pain. So
now they have gone to the point where it's probably
(02:44):
ease of installation of the engine, like like we've always
mentioned the the ease of installation or assembly rather at
the at the assembly plant when they put it together.
That's how they're designing things. Yeah, and so they're putting
no rings everywhere, well, old rings into flat rings and.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
In this case you got aluminum sandwich between plastic with
a rubber ring in the middle.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right, something's gonna happen, right, The O rings turned to
flat rings, and flat rings when it's super cold leak
like crazy. And sometimes you can make it past that,
but if you have a couple of weeks stretch of
cold weather, it's pouring more oil out than you can
put in. You got to fix it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So here's the thing. I'm doing an experiment right now
as we speak, and who knows when it's experiment is
going to be done. Okay, So my wife drives a
jeep with a three to six and guess what was
leaking when it snowed.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh yeah, the oil filter daptor housing.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You bet it was. So did I do the oil
filter daptor housing. No, because you know I'm tighter than
two coats of paint. So I ordered a seal kit
for five bucks. Okay, you get all the seals for
this thing, because as we know, it's never the housing,
it's always the O rings. So I was reading in
the sky online at Chrysler dealership in Ohio or whatever.
(04:02):
He just replaces the rings, but he says, let's put
silicon on him and they lasts longer. Okay, how long
has this guy's experiment been going. I don't know. So anyway,
I was like, for five bucks and I get to
talk about it on the radio, Sure, let's do it.
I mean, what am I out? I get to pull
an intake back off that I've done millions of.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, it takes you twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah. So anyway, that's I got the mileage wrote down
on the top of the cooler. So as soon as
it starts leaking again, you guys are going to find.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So you plan on keeping the car that long?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Oh maybe, I mean unless somebody tolls it out. If anything,
I'll pull the motor and let it run on a stand.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh there you go, There you go.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I have the capability.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
We'll be waiting to figure out how long that lasts. Now,
the silicon O rings might happen. It might do it
because it's it allows movement a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, maybe the hold appliable. I mean this guy said
that they last longer. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, the Internet is not wrong. We all know that.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah. The day that it starts leaking again, I'm be
on the phone with him.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yep, We're go and talk to him. All right, we're
gonna head over to the Mike's got an O nine
Forward Edge. Mike, what's up today?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I got an nine Ford Edge We've bought probably two
months ago, and it says it's got a twenty gallon
tank on the internet. The book says he's got a
twenty gallon tank. I runner down the empty empty and
I can only put fifteen gallon in it.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
You got.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I think it's got a fifteen gallon tank. Then unless
you unless you've got something in it. You're only two choices.
There are what well, Kyle just said, you've got a
fifteen gallon tank, or there's something in that tank.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
There's five gallons. The difference is that's a lot. That's
more than just my shoulders in there. I got this
in the tank.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, it's more than filling up the hoses, in the necks,
in the in the tank, you've you've got something else
in there that's not allowing you to fill that five
extra gallons. Because I agree with Kyle, that's that's a
lot of fuel.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And you can call the Ford dealership, give them your vendam.
They'll have the entire build list for this forward Edge
and that might be the way to go because this
might have been some first run or something like that
that had a different tank. That wouldn't be the first
time we've seen it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, and a lot of times you'll have different.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
They have no idea. The frustration when we order a
fuel pump for what tank it's supposed to have and
we find out something difference in there.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
There's some difference. It's difference in UH trim levels. There
can be difference in wheelbases, all wheel drive not all
wheel drive.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The depth of the tank for the float. I mean
there's so much involved in it. But yeah, I mean
calling the dealership and getting the build sheet, that's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The way to go.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, and you just get the build sheet or just
ask them to say how big a tank is?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Technically in here, so my so in it, and it's
got the computer on the on how many miles empty
when you fill it pump full, it's you know, it
says three eighty or four hundred, and we get to
we get two hundred eighty maybe, I mean we're getting
short of by one hundred gallons or one hundred miles,
I guess, you know. So that's that I was wondering
if the tank is crushing or or or or if
(07:09):
it's just a fifteen gallon tank. I mean, that's that's
my question. So I'll call the dealership.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, find out what it is for sure, unless it's
for some reason, uh, collapsing or under vacuum that it's
it's sucking itself up.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
You'd have a check engine light.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, you would think you would. I have seen some
plastic tanks, you know, with a vacuum on the engine
with something else going bad. Can polish, yeah, yeah, you
can see that the gas tank will will suck itself up,
and when it does that, I could see maybe five
gallons going away that from there. But you should easily
be able to see that if you get underneath the car.
(07:46):
That should be when you put a full tank of gas,
and you can see it level on the bottom or
even maybe sagging ever so slightly. If you see it
sucked up in the bottom, there could be your issue.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Okay, try it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, try both of those. Let us know we'll be interested.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You bet appreciate the call. We're going to head over
to Mike. Mike's got a thirteen CRV. Mike, what's up today?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Hey, I've got to It's a four cylinder seventy thousand
miles moderate to light acceleration on level ground, twenty five
thirty miles an hour. Transmission shutters.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, what have you tried to do anything with it?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
No, I haven't. I hadn't serviced at about sixty two
thousand miles. This had the change the FIUID and so on,
and I haven't done anything. I've looked on the internet.
This seems to be somewhat of a common problem.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Okay, have you guys.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Heard of it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
A little bit here and there on certain cars. I mean,
fluid can make a big difference in a lot of
different transmissions. Your two choices here are too. If you've
already had it done at sixty and you say it's
got seventy or eighty, I've ran into it before you
can change the fluid again. Does a fluid look good?
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Did you use the aftermarket or Honda fluid?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
No? Certified?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Okay, okay, Yeah, that's probably where I would probably maybe
have them take a look at it, put it on
a scanner. They're gonna put it on a scanner, kind
of check things over a little bit and make sure
what's supposed to be happening is actually happening.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It could be an axle joint something like that causing this.
I mean it doesn't necessarily I mean because you feel
it in the drive line. I mean it could be
something easy.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Before we do that, we got to look at pressures.
Pressures are the thing. We got to see what kind
of pressures are going through these servos, through the valive body,
things like that, before we can.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Do you feel a vibration in the steering wheel, anything
else like that when you back off, does it kind
of go away.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
No, it seems like you're thirty is going just between
twenty five and thirty at the moderate acceleration on level ground.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's what's happens, So it doesn't happen on kind of
going up a hill a little bit. So, yeah, don't
I still agree with Kyle. You've got to hook up
and make sure that everything that, let's just say, are
one through ten numbers that we're going to look through
on a transmission are where they're supposed to be. And
you don't have number five that's way out of whack,
(10:37):
and that's number two shifting salin oil. It's just you know,
for what example out and that's kind of hanging on
for a long time and go, okay, well there's your problem.
But if everything looks normal, then you start looking elsewhere
from there.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Yeah, all right, appreciate it. I love the show. You
guys should go on the road.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah we should. All right, I appreciate to call Mike.
All right, we're gonna take a quick break on the
Mister Mechanics show. Five, five, eight, eleven, tens and numbers
should get in. We got an open line for you.
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Speaker 3 (11:56):
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Speaker 2 (11:59):
Buddy, We're going to head back into the calls. Aaron's
got an eleven Honda pilot. Aaron, what's up today?
Speaker 10 (12:15):
So i have a twenty eleven pilot and I've had
the oil tan gas get replaced. I've had the oil
pump the seal around that replaced, and I keep having
the same little drip of oil come out from under it.
And I cannot figure out where on Earth this leak
is coming from. I don't know if it could be
(12:37):
the rearmain seal and if that's even worth fixing or
just keep putting oil into the darn tank.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, well you've got to V six ye, Honda, So
when you say so, walk me through this. I got
a great idea of what the underside of this car
looks like. Where is this drip coming from? Or do
you just get underneath there and the entire oil pans
covered in oil?
Speaker 10 (12:59):
Well, I am only seeing the oil it keeps like
gathering around the drain plug itself, and then when I
go and investigate upward from that, I am having a
hard time figuring out where on earth it could be
coming from. I've even just gotten a completely different drain plug,
(13:25):
thinking that maybe there's something wrong with the drain plug itself.
And I actually also thought that maybe it could be
coming from the power steering fluid because the rack and pinion,
the boot on the rack and pinion is wet with
a thicker oil on it, like it's something's been dripping
(13:46):
on it. But so I put some dye in the
power steering fluid, and I don't see any of that
die on my groad floor yet, So it's a mystery.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Have you looked at the oil filter? The oil filters
on an adapter bre backet that screws to the engine,
and sometimes those will have issues because it's just kind
of a press together gasket that seals it.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Yes, I have kind of trail at the dealership and
and uh, it's not coming from there, okay, So I
don't know what is left to check.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So so the other question I have, since you said
you put a new uh drain plug in it, did
you put a drain plug and a gasket from from
the dealership or did you whatever came out of the
box with that plastic thing that's on there, plastic gasket.
Speaker 10 (14:36):
No, I put a new I put a new crush
washer in there. Is that what you're asking.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Washer?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
There are certain manufacturers. Boy, if you don't use what
they have on there, it's gonna leak. And a lot
of times they also and is this does this drain
plug drain plug also tightened up okay? Or is it
kind of like it's you're a little scared to tighten it?
Speaker 11 (15:03):
Well?
Speaker 10 (15:03):
I put it at twenty nine foot pounds. I even
bought myself a rent that tells me how tight I'm
putting it, so I don't overtighten because I don't want
to strip it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, and they're very common to do that. They're very common.
They'll pull threads. They'll pull threads, and that threads inside
there are not holding as good as they could should
or want to, and so over a period of time,
when it gets hot, it's seeping through there. So the
only way to really find a good oil leak like
that is to clean everything off, and you've got to
(15:37):
monitor it. To sit here and run.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Here's a good idea. And I've done this on aluminum too,
because you say, when you look above the drain plug,
it's kind of vague as to if there's oil there,
right right, Okay, So here's what I want you to do.
Climb under there, clean everything off with some brake clean
just get it dry to where there's no residue on it.
Take some white spray paint. Spray paint that pan, because
(16:03):
that's gonna tell you any color, it's gonna magnify it
way more than the aluminum color will be. It's probably
you know, corroded, so it would be hard to tell
if there's some seepage up there. If it's running quick.
Hot oil doesn't generally leave a trail that good if
it's running quick, but yeah, put some spray paint on there,
(16:25):
then you'll know, Hey, this is coming from up here.
Or I've got an issue with this drain plug. Maybe
I just need to throw a new pan at it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. We got to define whether it's
high or low.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah. And once you've defined that, you can say, Okay,
maybe the seal isn't very good on my pan, or
you're right, it's not out of the realm of possibility
to just throw a new pan in it and be done.
We do. Ok.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
The other bit of information here is that this is
a new oil pan.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Okay, sure we've had problems with those two.
Speaker 10 (17:00):
Okay, well maybe it could be.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But yeah, try the spray paint thing. That's what I
would do. I mean, it's helped me a lot in
the past, but I'll do it. You get to go
to Walmart get a dollar can of spray paint. It
doesn't have to be anything fancy.
Speaker 12 (17:13):
Yeah, Okay, thank you for the advice.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You bet appreciate the call.
Speaker 11 (17:17):
Aaron.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
We're gonna head over to Keith. Keith got a fourteen Silverado, Keith,
what's up today?
Speaker 13 (17:24):
Hey, good morning, thanks for taking my call. Hey, I
got this Silverado here probably, I don't know, a couple
of months ago. It threw a P zero six d
D code. So I did my research and it said
that my oil could be.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Dirty.
Speaker 13 (17:43):
So I changed the oil. Sure enough, the code went
away and and then probably two hundred and fifty miles
after oil change, it came back on.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
Okay, so I know this one, Okay, Okay, So this
oil pressure control solenoid, I actually just diagnosed one yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Okay, it's a fun one.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So when they went to this cylinder deactivation, this active
fuel management, they essentially made this a VVT style engine.
And this oil pressure controls solenoid is like the VVT
solenoid in any other VVT engine. It's just a back
and forth solenoid that controls oil pressure. Well, it's doing
(18:34):
it right at your pump, and these have a huge
failure rate. So the diagnostic for it is, I mean, basically,
I hook my scope up to it, I command this
thing on while monitoring oil pressure, and there's a spec
I think you know, it's got to move a minimum
of five psi up or down when you command it
(18:54):
on or off, and if it doesn't, then you're going inside.
This particular solenoid is manufactured inside the oil pump. It's
not serviceable. You have to replace the oil pump, which.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Means you're pulling the oil pant, pull pulling the front
differential oil pan, front timing cover.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's a big repair.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, it's a big repair all because the oil pumps
run off of the front of the trank.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, but it's not an uncommon thing, and we are
seeing more and more of them as these trucks are
getting older. I say, I just diagnosed one actually yesterday,
and you know we're seeing you know, maybe one a
month now.
Speaker 13 (19:34):
Okay, So that was my question is if I'm just
gonna have to go ahead and replace the oil pump,
how how mandatory is this? Replacement?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oil pumps are very important.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
Yeah, now I.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Have proper oil pressure.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 13 (19:50):
So I'm just like, well, what's.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Going on here? You know? So in that, I mean,
if it's just this particular solenoid that's going bad, I mean,
eventually it's gonna snowball into some other things because your
VVT isn't working.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, so you're gonna get misfires and things like that
because it's not.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Oh eventually yeah. That and I mean you've got us
you know, your VVT s solenoid feeds your VVT actuator
that's on your camshaft. So this thing's trying to move
and it's running dry, right, So you're eventually if you
do replace it, I mean, you could end up with
a blown out actuator because the clearances are off inside there,
(20:28):
because it's not getting correct oil pressure. You could I mean,
with that thing not having oil, you could retard your
timing completely to baseline where you just have poor performance.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or it's not getting lubricated inside the engine like it should.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah. Yeah, so I mean oil pressure at your switch.
I mean, yeah, that's great. I mean that'll save your bearings,
your rods, all this stuff.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
But I mean it's those things, those timing components that
are gonna really see the effects of it. Yeah, well
a couple, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, every bit of twenty five I'm sure, and
without just off the top of my head. So if
it's something you want to tackle, that's awesome. If not,
bring it down to Kyle. Yeah, Kyle, tackle, no trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Okay, all right, good, thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Appreciate the call. Keith. All Right, we're gonna take a
quick break on the Mister Mechanic Show and come back
and answer a question a minute. We are Buchanan Service Centers.
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help you out with your car. We're gonna head over
(21:33):
to Pat. Pat's been waiting patiently. Thanks Pat. He's got
an eighty four Mercury Cougar one hundred and seventy ten
thousand miles. Holy moly.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh yeah, she's a pretty sweet car, you know, but
she's been hurt for the last five years. I live
out here on the Elkorn River, so me and all
my stuff got hit party hard by the flood. It
made it up. It made it up to the krimline
on the Cougar, and I also have a seventy ran
Tarro with seventy thousand miles on it went up to
the rim line, and I redid all my jeeps, all
(22:03):
my vehicles, all the fluids, and they're all find except
the Cougar. The electronic serve off on her. Some of
the windows work, lights work, but that's going worse as
it you know, as it goes. But she's just really clean.
I drive her for ten minutes and she overheats. I
replaced the uh you know, the water water pump about
(22:25):
everything there is to do with just the heating problem,
you know, thermostat and all that, and hoses and everything.
And I'm at the point where I'm pretty stuffed and
I'm going can can can sand get inside of the motor?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Like the water jackets, Well, the engine would have to
be submerged.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, And we made.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
It when I when I started it up the day,
you know, a couple after the flood, I got them
all out. The rancher started right up, shot the water
right up the dross, and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Becuar did well what I think you got going on,
especially was in a flood. I think you've got a
problem with the with the radiator.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
All the seaweed and everything plugged up in the front.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ye and you could pull you could pull that apart
in the front condenser and the radiator and look in
there and it could be all full of crap or
it could be nice and clean. But we have seen
over the years, uh, we've had overheating problems. And you
look in between there and look smooth and clean as
a whistle. You pull it out, hold it up to
(23:31):
the sun, and you can't. It is so packed full
of sand in there, it won't allow it to breathe
at all.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
So I didn't even that didn't even cross my mind,
because you know, there ain't no oil in the water,
and there ain't no water in the oiling. I didn't
even think about it. You know the front, you know,
the transmission cooler, and then the radiator. You got stuff
packed in there, and you know, I took a lot
of my stuff there to the bob radiator lead down
(24:00):
there off eighty nine by motorcycle things, and uh he
would be the guy, only radiator guy, I know. Yeah,
And uh so you're thinking the radiator, so.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You don't I definitely start looking there.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Sure, well that's the easiest fish for me. I can't
think of none other than maybe pulling the oil pan
off and the heads and see if they're packed up
in there.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yep, yep, it's it was real good. It's no different
than when you see a drain gutter somewhere with a
with a with a guard over top of it and
all the debris it catches. Yeah, when you have all
that water rushing past there. You could be amazed how
much stuff is out there on the ground that you
walk over top of but don't think of until it
floats and then it gets up in there.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Ye, it made it into the radiator. I'm sure it was.
It was up to the bumper. So yeah, and so
now the good it's gonna be warm the next couple
of days. I know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Doing with the car, and make sure if you see
just a bunch of debris in there, that you clean
it out. But don't just go so far, Sae. I
look at all that crap. I'm gonna just go blow
it out, and I'm gonna be done.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Take a garden hoset, get your radiator out of the car, exactly.
Get get a garden host, plush through it, flow check
your radiator as well.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yeah, I'll get all I'll get all that stuff going on.
Yeahs You've got a lot of the tools for the
pusher and all that, and that won't be no problem there.
So I asked, I'm glad you good, because you know
she run for ten minutes and you know it will
take her too far down the road. I live out
in the country, and to grab them. Yeah, go down
(25:35):
half mile, turn her around and she'll die right there. Yeah,
right back up and come up. And it's just you
can feel the hoses blowed up and everything.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, you better stop doing that. You're gonna have a
head gasket out of it before too long. So go
do that. You'll be fine, all right. Appreciate it, Pat,
appreciate the call. We're gonna head over to Joe. Joe's
got a nineteen Ford Fusion. Joe, what's up today?
Speaker 12 (25:59):
Hey, the twenty nineteen Ford Fusion. It's got the Eco
boost engine and a.
Speaker 11 (26:07):
Turbo, and that thing is just making all kinds of
noise and.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It just sounds like horrible.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
I don't know if it might be the lifters or
if it's valves or the turbo.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
That's bad.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
To start, trust you, I'd start with the oil system
and that engine.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah. So when you say horrible, what's it sound clacking
like you don't have enough oil in it? It sound
like whistling. Come on, make some noises for us.
Speaker 12 (26:41):
It's quacking like crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
You know, it probably sounds like you got a five
gallon bucket with some nuts and bolts in there. You're
shaking around right, yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
And the plastic valve covers and all of that, it's
hard to tell what the heck it's doing. We've changed
the oil on it religiously, so you know oil, yeah,
and using synthetic.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna
put an oil pressure gauge on this car, a mechanical one,
and I want to see exactly what my oil pressure is.
Let it warm up. Is it losing oil pressure drastically?
I mean, if I see you know, two or three
pounds of pressure drop, you know between a heat cycle,
I'm not gonna worry about that. I'm worried about five
(27:28):
or ten pounds. Secondly, we've got to narrow this noise
down because I mean, these engines, either the oil pumps
fail and then you've got no oil at all and
you just lock up an engine. But the fact that
yours is still running tells me it's probably something internal.
Maybe a timing chain guide has broken. Also, these engines
(27:51):
had problems with the cam phasers, the actuators on the
camshaft that the chain goes on. It looks like a
big gear. Well, there's a de tent on these that
just kind of screws into there, like an oil pressure
de tent on any pump. And instead of having a
screw in one that you know, we've used for years
(28:13):
on all different kinds of pumps and assemblies that work great,
Ford decided to make them press in. What do you
think happened to them?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Popped out?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Popped out. So now you've got a phaser that's just
kind of free wheeling through.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The Yeah, it's just going back and forth, bang bang
bang bang bang bang, because it doesn't it needs to
be in one specific spot, smooth spot.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And essentially, I mean to put it in very generic terms,
a phaser is just a very very very loose fitting
gear that uses oil and it fills up one side
of the looseness or the other side to advance or
retard your cam timing. There's videos about it. It's very
you know, but once you see one taking apart, you
can see where, hey, if this thing loses the detent
(29:00):
can't make oil pressure, they get loud.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's not really yeah, it could be really loud. It's
not really a novice repair either. It's uh something you've
got to pull things down.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
There's ten tools to line that engine up.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, ten tools and you've got camphasers and chains and
things like that. Nothing that we can't do. So if
you get to that point we need some help, we
can handle it.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Well.
Speaker 12 (29:22):
Yeah, a lot of people are thinking, you know, I've
just got it.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Sitting for now.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, and you've got to spend the time to somebody's
got to spend the time to diagnose what it is.
So is it is it a two thousand dollars repair
or is it is it a ten thousand dollars repair?
Engine replacement? And then do I do something with the
turbo because it's got X amount of miles on it.
So spend the money to have a diagnose where you
need to be. Then you can make an informed decision.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
Yeah, make an informed decision hopefully get it repaired for
only one thousand or two and unloaded.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah yeah, well exactly, it is what it is. But
you yeah, we don't want to repair anything that's going
to be just you know, short term, but you know, yeah,
we want to make it right. So yeah, yeah, you bet.
Joe appreciate the call as always. Yeah, it's uh, those
cam phasers, it's almost like the old remember the three
(30:19):
point eight leter crank shafts that crankshaft harmonic balancers.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, exactly like that.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
The rubber would break out of the harmonic balancers, bang
back and forth, and it sounded like there was a
rod just going to come through this engine. It turned
out all it was was.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
The hall harmonic balance.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, hell harmonica, it was. It was kind of a
crazy noise.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And it wasn't a random thing like they would just break.
There wasn't anything kind of leading up to it, like
it's starting to make a little noise.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Nope, nope, it was fine, and then it's gone, and
then it's gone. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take quick
break on the Mister Mechanics Show five, five, eight, eleven ten.
We might be able to get one more call in.
Bill's got a fifteen jeep with an oil consumption issue. Bill,
what's up today?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, Hey guys, I've got twenty fifteen jeep Wrangler with
the three six and it's got one hundred and two
thousand miles on it. I want to say, around the
eighty thousand mark started to notice the oil consumption. You know,
reading online seems like a common problem. I switched over
(31:27):
from twenty eight to thirty weight. So I'm running five
W thirty, but you know it still likes to drink
a court probably every fifteen hundred miles. You know, if
I'm changing synthetic every five thousand, I'm probably having to
add at least two courts in between changes to keep
the oil level. And I wanted to see if you
(31:50):
guys had any ideas. I've changed the PCV valve, I've
done some other work to the vehicle, and when I
pull the fill cap while it's running in at timber
t Or, I don't feel any blowby. But I have
put the new oil cooler in. It doesn't leak. And
I did notice oil in the intake, so I know
(32:11):
that it's getting pushed up to the intake. Yeah, I
wanted to get you guys' thoughts on this.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, it sounds like he doesn't handling that much blowby
coming through. So if you've got a PCB bow sounds
like it's it's going into the engine and coming back
out of the engine in a good rate.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And they're pcvs and these pentastars, it's a very very primitive.
I mean it's pretty much a fresh air vent.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, I'm just gonna say it's like some metered rifice
more or less.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, very lightly metered. I mean it's I mean, in
my opinion, it's not enough. But I'm just a guy
on the radio.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So it's worked on a bunch of cars.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, so yeah, they've had the issues. Sure, you know
in retros. I mean a cord every fifteen hundred miles.
I mean that's pretty good for some of the cars.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I see some. Yeah, I was gonna say it's not
over the top.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
You're right, most of them. I'm gonna say, get diagnosed
down to piston ring issues. And I mean, you don't
have a lot of blowby now, but I mean we're
also like, like I say, it's not really using a
lot of oil.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Now, Yeah, and you and your compression is gonna come
from your upper two rings. It's it's the oil ConTroll
ring that's down on the bottom. That is what's is
not being controlled. It's an oil controllering. So what additive
I mean, you're down to that particular portion of you're
down to piston rings and you know, pistons and whatever
else is going on inside there. So you maybe could
(33:43):
add some marvel missed oil.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, and into the crank case and just kind of
do that over a long period of time. Marvele. Missed
oil is just exactly what it says. It's some sort
of mystery oil. We don't know what's in it because
they won't tell us. But it helps, it works, or
it does help break down the carbon and everything else
that sticks.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
That is it?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Is it enough that's gonna do it really quickly?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Is it going to do over long period of time?
It might? It might. We've seen lifters come unstuck that's
been carboned up terribly and solve that problem over over
four or five six oil change time, So that can
turn into a while, depending on what your oil change
time is. That would be what I would try. Otherwise
(34:30):
you're gonna pull it apart in order to do something.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Is yeah, I mean anything we're going to do. I mean,
from what you're describing, if you don't have crazy amounts
of blow by coming out of your oil tube, you're
not leaking it. You know that you're not leaking it
because we can't see it and.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You can't thicken up in your oil too much more
in otherwise you're going to start other VBT problems and
things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean, the only other thing you can do is
maybe pull some spark plugs out. Is there a spark
plug that's black? I mean, you're probably not mis firing.
I mean, you didn't say you were running bad or
how to check engine light, But I mean you might
see one that's a little bit more discolored than another one.
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