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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Meet Bob. He's a four time tire rotation champion. When
he was a baby, his first words were automatic transmission fluid.
Bob's so cool he has engine coolant running through his veins.
And then there's Kyle, also known as Premium Unleaded. Legend
has it that Kyle can change your oil with his toes,
(00:22):
and that he can tell your tires ill pressure just.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
By how you're walking.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's Bob, He's Kyle, and every Saturday morning they morphed
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Great Saturday morning to Yeah, this is a mister Mechanic show.
Five five, eight, eleven ten is the numbers to get in,
Get in early. You've got some open lines for you.
It's an interactive callin show. You got some questions, We'll
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you shoot you towards a car and to buy use
new you know whatever. Next to me is always is Kyle.
(01:07):
Good morning, Kyle. Yeah, to be another heat index day,
you know, kind of in the nineties, but you know
smoking at the end of the day. Yeah, the heat
index got to catch people in. I don't really get
the weather in that sense because I look at it
and they're.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Like, well, it's going to be eighty six, but it
feels like one hundred and ten. I was like, then
it's one hundred and ten.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, you know that's just dramatic, you know it The
feels like temperature is kind of like going outside. You know.
It's just I always look for when it's going to break.
Then I know I got one day left, two days left,
or I got a week left, and then that's how
I get to the goal. Otherwise it just puts you
down every time you got to go outside to work.
(01:49):
Oh gosh. So you know it's this hot weather is
kind of check your temperature gauge, make sure your er
freeze is full if it's make sure you've seen leaks
on the ground, because things that are plastic will break
in this kind of heat. Radiators Yep, thermostat housings now
(02:10):
are plastic, you know, and the thermostats come in the
plastic housing.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So everything's plastic, it is.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And if anybody and I know we've all done this,
if you've ever sat in a chair, a plastic chair
outside that's been sitting there for years, and next thing
you know, you're on the ground. There's the reason that
your plastic is breaking in the car.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I watched an entire YouTube video just about that scenario
you just described, like the other day. It's just plastic
chair disasters.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, yeah, and then it's it's all happening to your
car because it goes from you know, sixty degrees in
the morning or seventy or whatever to two hundred and
ten and then it goes it does that multiple times
a day for sixty eighty one hundred thousand miles. Oh yeah,
and it's just gonna go. And then the valve covers
are plastic, and those warp.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I had AMW this week and X three it's a
twenty eighteen and had a coolant leak. Well, it had
two coolant leaks essentially. One we got a few months ago.
And then you know, now the next weakest thing has
YEP ruptured. So it's a water outlet off the engine block.
(03:19):
You got to take the intake everything else off to
get to it. And I get to it and pressurize
the system, and I can see this thing just getting
wet and getting wet and getting wet.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I pull it off.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm like, well, it's got to be cracked. It was
seeping through the plastic. I couldn't see any noticeable crack.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh on a on a on a parting line or
a casting line, not casting in line.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But well, when I took this thing apart and you
look at the inside of it, the whole thing is spiderwebbed.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh yeah, kind of like a windshield. Yeah, it's leaking
through the cracks. And the deal and what Kyle was
talking about is that when you when we go, you know,
check a coolant leak, we're checking for you know, what's
ever leaking at this particular point, and you see what's
leaking and you repair that. The problem is with that,
with everything being plastic and have O rings around it
(04:08):
and everything. You used to have a gasket. Now everything's
kind of an O ring driven and every O ring
turns into a flat ring, and every flat ring leaks.
Oh yeah, so a lot of times the only way
you can repair this, if it's a big enough leak,
is you've got to go fix what you know is broke,
and then you move on to what could be next
and unfortunately, and unfortunately that's just kind of the way
(04:29):
it is. But a lot of times, and I'd probably
say seventy percent of the time there is nothing right away,
but there'll be something else that comes back out on
thirty percent of the time, almost immediately after your pressure
check it again, or you know, a week down the road,
a month down the road, six months down the road,
now something else is leaking because it's it's just it's
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all got X amount of miles on it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Not only does it get you know, to two hundred
and twenty five two hundred and thirty degrees and then
down to an ambient temperature, but it also gets to
eighteen pounds of pressure and then pound to zero as
it cools. So you got pressure and heat involved, so
leaks are gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's trying to blow it apart. Yeah. I kind of
always wondered why we use big thin plastic and some
of these cheap cards that are out there have thin
plastic that's bolted to the cylinder head. Oh yeah, and
we all know that cylinder head gets with the thermostats
two hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, nothing about the design of these cooling systems is
made for longevity of these plastic pars.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Plenty of other places to put plastic on a car
other than maybe we throw some metal on the hottest parts. Yeah,
why haven't we come up with plastic exhaust manifolds yet? Kyle,
I'm waiting. Those things are heavy. Yeah, they're heavy, So
I mean we can't make it thick enough, or maybe
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it's too thick.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Can you imagine the smell of that research and development lab.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Somebody's tried.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, that is tail piping missions Get go.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Somebody has tried in order to make exhaust manifolds plastic.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, it's been in a meeting talked about it, Like,
what are these here? Why are we still using these
twenty pound things?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yes, if we're thinking, we're talking about it, somebody thought
about it. All right, We're gonna hell over with Jason's.
Jason's got a fourteen Ford Raptor. Jason. What's up today?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Hey, guys, I appreciate your previous help on this truck. Sure,
I've been chasing down this stalling and dying issue. Now
I've turned around and cleaned the throttle body, mass airflow sensor,
checked all the wiring. I have not found any issue,
but since I've cleaned the throttle body. Now, previously the
throttle body has a resonator box on top of it
(06:47):
that's not the air and take box, but it's like
another box on top of that six two liter, and
it's got a female boot that theor a male boot
that goes inside of I'm sorry, the box is like
a female boot, and there's a boot that goes inside
on this body that was out from a previous mechanics work,
so half of it was sticking out, which caused it
to pull ambient air in for probably a year. Yeah,
(07:08):
and so I've chased that stuff down. All the research
I've done said it shouldn't hurt it that bad, but
the throttle body was nasty. Now I've cleaned everything, put
it all back together, and it hasn't officially died. But
every once in a while, sitting in park or in drive,
it'll shudder and drop down like it wants to die,
and then it'll rev back up and it's totally fine.
I haven't got it to die since, but it still
has those same symptomatic, sporadic problems.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I think that we're kind of onto something here.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, because you're pulling. You're pulling air in from a
spot that shouldn't be pulled air in. And I fixed that, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but that that air couldn't come past the mass airflow sensor.
That therefore the computer was wondering why there's unmetered air
coming in?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah. That, And I mean if your throttle plates were
that dirty and we cleaned them. Now now we're getting
the right amount of air through it. So now we're
dropping down, but we're not dropping down enough to die.
The engine can pull enough air to keep it running.
So we've done something for the good here. So now
(08:12):
I guess what I would do. Have you replaced a
throttle body on this see, that's.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
What I was going to ask you. Is there is
there any electronic parts in that throttle body? It's two
hundred and seven thousand miles. I have not replaced it,
but I've been having some suspicion about that.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So it's all electronic in there. So there's nothing you
can go in and replace pieces and parts.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's just replaced as a whole assembly.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But that mile is I think i'd want to anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, And have you do you have a scan tool
or anyway, is there like an actual because I know
Ford has what they call a keep a eye memory
reset that basically puts everything to factory one mile.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I can reset the codes. Yes, I have a an
access port. It's not a COB, but it's one i've Okay,
I basically had a tuner eliminate that. You know, Ford
does this thing where if you push the traction control off,
it's supposed to be off. Well, if you hold it down,
it says active track disabled. It's not actually disabled. If
you're going faster with the wheel speed of thirty miles
an hour, it will retard the wheel rear tires to
(09:20):
match the front wheel speed and almost kill you while
you're sliding around the corner in the snow that'll point
in the opposite direction. So I had a tuner just
basically make that button work. So that's what the only
team that I have on it is just to eliminate
that traction control system.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Okay, So I mean as far as clearing codes, I mean,
that's one thing, but there's more to it than that.
There's another level that we have to get to in
order to reset this memory, and it's all adaptive. Ford
is just for whatever reason stuck with this adaptive learn software.
(09:55):
So basically what I do. I mean, because we see
adaptive learns for a throttle body, idle relearn and it
covers fuel trims, fanol content a handful of other things.
But basically you go, and I mean it's pretty simple.
I mean, if you have a scan tool that's capable
you just for us. It's pretty simple. You just clear
(10:15):
the keep a eye memory. I can do that, and
then you've got to take it on the interstate. You know,
generally my test drive for a keep a eye memory
relearn is five miles including an interstate pass. So I
mean it's fairly simple to do. But that might be
an easy Hey, if you can do it.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Let's do this. I'll replace the throttle body and then
clear the codes and relearn it for a while and
see if we have any clear up and then if not,
I'll give.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You guys a call back.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
We'll be here.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Man, there you go. Appreciate you, you bet appreciate the call. Jason,
all right, we're gonna take a kick break in the
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Speaker 2 (11:49):
So we're gonna over to Rick. Rick's got a six
gmc d sel. Rick, what's up today?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
My problem is that I headed into the It's once
overheat when I'm pulling something. But if it's just driving
down the highway, you know, run the AC it's fine.
I put a trailer behind and start pulling. It wants
to start over eight and I've had the radiator clean
to the dealership. I've changed the thermostads and I've also
changed fan clutch.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Hmmm, so you covered both of those things. So when
you say you had cleaning the radiator, so in between
the condenser and the radiator, you just had blown out
cleaned out.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Well, I'm assuming so like they took it to a
dealership and they said they cleaned it. So that's the
best I can answer that question.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Got it. Got it?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So I think before we go any further, we want
to verify that they didn't just hot flush the inside
the core of this radiator and that we actually got
any debris possibly out from in between there, because I mean,
it's going to be kind of sandwich together on this truck. Unfortunately,
it's hard to see, not going to be a ton
of room to really get an idea of what's in there,
(13:01):
So you may have to on a six, I think
you can take the grill out and kind of take
your condenser bolts out and then kind of move that
forward to kind of get in there. That would be
the first place that I'm going to go, just because
we don't know that it's been done yet, and I
mean that's something we can handle.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, yeah, but there's different It kind of pends so
sometimes so there's a couple of different ways that can
be done. Is that you can blow it out externally
a lot of times. Most of the time that's really
all it needs to be done. I have ran into
radiators in the past that have as you're driving down
the road, you get all sorts of sand and rocks
(13:43):
and debris and everything that that that plugs up the
inside of those fins, and you can't get that out
unless you pull the radiator completely out and blow through
it from the backside, you know, forward, You just can't
and yeah, yep, and a lot of dirt and debris,
and then all of a sudden it rains and then mud,
(14:04):
and then you get mud and then it drives up
and then so I don't doubt that they cleaned it out,
and probably did, and but sometimes we ran into one
of these one time on a ford that it was
full of sand, and he did not remember how and when,
but he did a lot of highway driving. So I'm
(14:25):
I'm so we finally pulled all this out. We could
see the boat, all half of this radiator just completely
packed with sand, and then once we cleaned it all out,
all the problem was gone. The next question is transmission wise,
I mean, you're you only have this when you're towing.
So everything seems good there you're putting in toe hall
mode and you know it's not. It's not stuck in
(14:47):
third gear for example. I just got to ask, okay,
so we're not revving anything up beyond where it needs
to be. That all looks normal, I know it.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
I mean I only had this truck this January, so
I'm pretty new to the diesels. But it has had
no issues as far as that goes yet.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So whenever time, anytime you add the air conditioner, that
adds another percentage on of how how tough it is
on the cooling system. But when you pull a trailer,
you're you're just adding it even more. And the fact
that it doesn't come out anymore beyond that, I mean,
that's just the first place to look at. I think
that's the first place for me. I'm going to the radiator.
I mean, if anything, I mean, you can I've had
(15:26):
cars where I just physically pulled the radiator out of
the car. Yeah, and that's kind of what we're.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I got my garden hose out, you put it in
the upper radiator hose. Do I have flow coming out
of the lower one? Is it good enough flow? Because
I mean if it's restricted of just enough, it could
cause this issue. Next, I'm going to look at the
debris in the face of the radiator. Can I see
through these fins or are they all smashed over and bent?
(15:51):
Things like that would be my first step. Because we
know we got a good thermostat. We know our engine
can run cool aside from you know, heavy use, so
we know it.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Don't cool very good either.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Sure, a lot of times when we when we pull
the radiator out, we'll you know, obviously flush it out
the inside just a little bit, and I'll hold it
up to the sunlight and and so that I can
see through that and having somebody on the other side
doesn't really get as good as you'd like to. Maybe
a shop light. You hold it up to the sun
and you move that thing around while you're looking through
(16:28):
it through the sun. You can see whether it's clean
or just how how much debris in there?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay, Yeah, Yeah, it sounds like mechanically you're working fine. Yeah,
we just got a it's either going to be a
flow issue or a flow issue, either airflow or coolant flow.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Pretty much.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's where we're at now.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, and I agree with Kyle, you know, your water
pump's obviously turning. I can't see that adding a trailer
to it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Would that's not going to affect water pump.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think. I think we're probably.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Flowing pretty good because normal driving we're doing.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, and even ninety five degree. He's not having problems.
So that's first place to start. Rick Og appreciate the call.
All right, we're gonna head over to Jason. Jason's got
a ninety nine two fifty Jason, what's up today?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah? Five to four triton. It's not firing on the
last half of the firing order. Put new coils on it.
It's a plow truck. It just sits. So I thought
maybe mice got into the harnets somewhere. But it's weird
because the way the firing order is, it's not just
(17:36):
one bank, you know, it's scattered. But it's just ironic
to me that it's the last half of the firing order.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, that is kind of interesting, like.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The computer is not mathing correctly.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Hmmm, So you got random myths for you got them
all got you got hard miss fires all over the place.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
No, it's consistent. It's consistent. It's six five eight six
four eight the last half.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Huh, that's interesting, I would agree. So I wonder if
we don't have a ground wire that goes to one
side of the harness or another.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So we got a two wire connector on this engine,
I mean each of these coils correct, Yes, Okay, so
we are going we know for a fact we're getting
no spark out of these, right.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah. I've actually put tapped in like a filament actual
ballb not an led like a filament ball, and the
first half flashes, the second half right at the plug
into the cop they don't flash.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's a great way to do that. That way you
can kind of see if it's triggering or not.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Okay, So we're testing that at the connector right, not
at the base of the coil.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
We're the connector plugs in the top of the.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, okay, so we're not getting any flashing. So from
now we got to figure out do we have a
signal issue or do we have a ground issue? Is
there ground at these connectors?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
No, no grounds buried. It's like super buried. Like I
pretty much have to take the break booster off. I
think tracing down the wiring diagram, and again, like I said,
it's a plow truck. It sits all the time, and
I just fired it up last season and the only
way I could get power to plow my driveway was
in four low to get it done in them. Okay,
(19:39):
So we're trying to get it ready for this coming season.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So we got to so number six looks like it's
pretty easy to get to, and we can pretty much say,
you know, hey, if it's happening on six, it's happening
on all the right at the other four. So we
should have at these coils, we should have a constant
power that's coming from and that's coming from a fuse.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Do we have constant power?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Okay, okay, So our trigger is our issue.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
So the trigger is on the ground right right.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
So what I would probably do if it was me,
is I'm going to go to the computer and I'm
going to find these signal wires.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
This is a ninety nine if to fifty that computer's inside?
Is it? It is?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It is under the So I bet you we know
under the kick panel on the left, under the e break.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is it full of water? It's full of water. That's
why you sure got Yeah, I've.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Pulled the computer out. Okay, it pens. All that look fine,
nothing's corroded.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Okay, Okay, So it's kind of a tough draw here
because being that it's half of it's taking out half
of our firing order. I mean, we are down to
a computer being an issue, or half of a reluctor
(21:03):
ring on a crank shaft is broken, and that's kind
of a that's kind of a tough draw for me.
I've seen missing teeth, you know, from mechanical repair and
stuff like that, and just obvious damage. But to be
missing half a firing order on a reluctor ring.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's kind of odd, but not out of the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Anything's possible, I mean, And it's kind of right down
there in the front of the timing cover. So I mean,
you might be able to convince me that there's a
bunch of sludge built up on it that's maybe drawing
a blank, but you're still breaking down a magnetic field
in order to make that happen. And I would think
that the crank sensor itself would knock this crud off
of there.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
But I mean, well, I just replace the crank sensor
the cam. I think I replaced one, but I guess
I didn't really think about there's probably a second one
buried down in there somewhere on the other side.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
It's possible.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Tight just a second, we've got to take it. We're
up against a hard break. I gotta take it, and
I'll be right back. We'll talk some more. Be back
in a minute, Jason, thanks for hanging on. We just
got to take those breaks. So okay.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So this is a fairly intense problem that you got
going on here with this truck, and it's a very
I've never seen it. I mean I've seen cylinders not firing,
of course, I mean I've seen a bunch of it.
But to knock out half a firing order.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Is true to me. Yes, So.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
One thing that seems like it's going into like a
default kind of limp.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Mode, not really, because any either way you slice it,
a default limp mode is still there to protect a
catalytic converter. And if you're knocking off four cylinders, you
got gas going down there. I mean, you're not protecting
a catalytic converter. So what we've got is an issue.
So off the top of my head, before I get involved,
(23:04):
like really deep and pulling wiring diagrams getting the scope out,
you know, spending some sweaty hours underneath this hood. Have
you tried disconnecting the battery and leaving it off for
ten minutes? I?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Uh, Like I said, it's a plow truck stays in
the shed. I always disconnect the battery. I actually have
a quick disconnect and I leave it on a trickle. Okay,
so it sits until I put the groundback on the
or the negative back on the battery. But I'll I
was just hoping you guys had AHA moment from your experience.
I'll let you guys go back to the easy fixes.
(23:40):
I just had one other question. So, like I said,
I was worried about mice to begin with. So would
this have anything to do with the knock sensor, because
the knock sensor is like buried in the valley underneath
the intake, and I haven't gotten as far as pulling
off the intake. Now would a knock sensor if mice
chewed up those wires.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
It'll sense, It'll send a code, but very rarely if
I've ever seen cause this problem.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
The one generally the NOC sensor will retard fuel. Yeah,
it's not going to want to cut out spark.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
The one thing that the aha moment that really comes
with this particular vehicle, because I have one in a
diesel version, is that the windshield. The reason we ask
you whether it was water in the computer is that
the windshield leaks on these things and it drips right down,
goes right onto a bracket and leaks right into the
computer on this thing, and depending on when you got
(24:35):
to it, it might already be dry, you know. But
I had a problem with our truck, and it was
an old one, but it just it's had the same thing.
It was leaking, and we finally figured out it had
a problem with the feuds box, and then it also
had a problem with the computer on a separate issue.
So that's kind of why we went that way with
the computer. I mean, you might look at it and
(24:57):
don't see anything specific on it, which is fine, I
mean that's that's the first place you want to look
for green wires and things that don't smell right or
look right. But something is I don't think you got
a reluctor problem because I don't think you got all
the you know, specific teeth that we're taken off.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's a way long ball to the left field. But yeah,
that test that you did out there at your coil connectors,
you can do that at your computer too. Yeah, you're
gonna have to get a wiring diagram and you're gonna
have to find which pin, and it's gonna be tough.
It's not my favorite thing to do, but to test
things at the computer gives you a bigger reach as
(25:35):
to what's happening and then your little go ahead.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Sorry interrupt, but I did test it at connector C
one O four three.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Fay and you have no signal coming out of there either.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah, it's it's right there in front of the timing cover. Yeah,
even from even from that harness, it's it's still only
flashing on the first or yeah, first time for the
firing order.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So let's go to the computer because I mean, we've
got a ball go into our firewall, right, that's an
opportunity for water to get in at that bullhet connector.
So if we go to our computer and we're firing
at our computer, we know we're going further out because
I mean we can get.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
To our No, no, no, I'm not. I was gonna say
like I'm not. I'm not getting anything out of any
pens I test out of the computer. Do you think
I just all the magic escaped out of the computer.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, you can't put it back in. The smoke goes out,
you can't get put it back in. I don't. Yeah,
you know, you've got to have an in and out.
That's kind of where we're going here. You've got to
have a signal in and it's got to turn around
and the signal goes back out. That's a very odd problem.
It just is. That's something that and.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I mean, if I were testing it, I mean anything
with ignition, we use a scope with and I can
plug into my crank sensor, I can look at the
pattern on the crank sensor. I can get online to
waveforms dot com and I can see this engine's waveform.
Does this look right? Okay? And then I go back
(27:08):
to my computer and I go to each individual. Yeah,
and I see what's in there? I mean, is it breaking?
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I understand I don't have a scope. I haven't gotten
that deep into it. But yeah, okay, well again I
was I'll let you guys get back to it. I
just was hoping maybe you would have an uha, oh yeah,
I've seen this before.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, yeah, not on that one.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Not on this one.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We will once you tell us you need to call
us back for sure, but uh, we want to know
because acquiring minds want to know for sure when you
solve it.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Deal.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Appreciate it. Thanks for colling, Jason. Yeah, there's you know,
I was thinking about that the other day. There's car
repair that you know. I would say eighty to eighty
five percent of the cars that come through our shopper
in and out in a day and maybe two depending
on trying to find parts. But there are some like
this one that turns into three, turns into a week,
(28:01):
you know, just because you're going down a rabbit hole
of something that's never I could do.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
A twelve hour show on Chrysler wiring. I get so
many Chrysler because it's always the odd balls, the two hundred's,
the Dodge Journey, all those kind of catch and release
cars I call them that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Just have they always get.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I have found problems in these cars, Like there was
one that came in. It wouldn't communicate with anything at all,
wouldn't the lights wouldn't even come out on the dash, nothing.
And I pull up the kick panel and there's one
little section of wire that's green on a communication circuit
that's going to the rear differential housing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, we're all we're loading too many things on one shot.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And it's tough. I mean when you get problems like
this where I mean, we know it's electrical, we know
where it's at. I mean, we've that's half the battle.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Between the front bumper and the rear bumper. It's always there.
So hard. Yeah, why is it so hard? It's only
you only got eighteen feet to deal with, really, and
in that forty seven miles worth of wire.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, you got enough wire to go to the moon
and back. Yeah, they get tough, and I mean it's
one of those things like if you don't deal with
wiring every day, especially on these modern cars, it's gonna
it's gonna fight.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah. I got a plow truck too, And every time
we take it, every time we put it away, everything's
ready to go. You know, say, okay, we got it
all fixed, it's ready to go. And I said, yeah,
well until until six months comes around, six eight months
comes aroun.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah then you got a new car. You got a
different car as.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, as soon as we pull it out and put
a battery in it and get it ready to go,
and now we got three more problems to fix. That's
why I always say let's let's start in October. So
we're ready to go for December.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And the floor, the hole in the floor is getting bigger.
We've moved from a license plate to a stop size.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick break in
the midd Mechanics show. Five, five, eight, eleven, tens numbers
to get in. We back in a minute. Keep cool
out there. It's gonna be another hot day today and tomorrow, Kyle.
We got the the first half of not the first
half a little bit past the first half of twenty five.
(30:17):
They got statistics out for who's sold the most so far,
and there's no surprising the top leaderboard, that's the f
one fifty top leaderboard. The GM truck is number two though,
and number three is the RAB four. I think that's
kind of switched. The RAF four was kind of before that.
So they've sold a lot. Most cars out there, they're sold.
(30:40):
Besides are the ore SUVs around the you know, everything
is kind of subs It's just kind of interesting stats.
GM is still number one in the you know, from
January to you know yesterday, as far as selling the
most vehicle toat is behind that, and then Ford's behind that. Okay,
(31:05):
so it's kind of interesting stats Also, as of twenty
twenty four, guess how many cars were sold globally tick
stab quick five thousand, five thousand. How about ninety million,
(31:27):
ninety million, ninety million cars were sold in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
So if you bought a car in twenty twenty four,
you need to send me a dollar, so thirty the
address here at the end of the show, thirty postage
will be paid on this dollar.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Thirty one million of those were China, okay, and China
really rolled out a ton of evs which aren't really
going at least in the United States are not going great.
But you know some of them are at the bottom
of the ocean. We did that store not too long ago.
Nineteen million is in the US and then Japan is
third there, but you still have ninety for the rest
(32:08):
of the world. How many cars are on Earth up
to a twenty twenty five and this is estimate, you know,
I mean obviously there's I mean on Earth. I don't
know if that I didn't look too much into this
stat I don't know if that's on Earth means shredded
and now it's sitting in other things or are they
just still around there?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Okay, but what's this number based.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
On how many cars are produced? Since they were going
It was one point sixty five billion. That seems low
to me, It does a little bit. Yeah, but they
can't they can't all be there. They have to be
shredded at some point.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, if you have a car, just send me a dollar.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Anyway, A billion cars somewhere around a billion, and they're
going off how many are produced.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That seems like a low number to me. I think
that because I mean, if you've driven through backwoods Nebraska,
there's car hoardes out there everywhere.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
They just can't throw them away.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, And then you go knock on the door and
ask to look at Oh, I'm gonna fix that up
one day.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, one day they may fix it up. Yeah, and
then that's just you never know. You might as well
create your own salvage art for parts of other things
that you have. That's kind of that's kind of farmer
mentality a little bit, only because you got the space. Yeah,
why should you haul it over for nine dollars? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
If you put these cars on here. You don't got
to mow it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, well that too, but you never know, and you
might need something. And there's a lot of times that
you go grab something off of an old car to
make something else work. God, hell that'll work. There you go,
it's right there.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I have been down this road with farmer after farmer
and over the years, and all the dry calls. I'm
just driving and I need to stop and talk to
this guy, and you get in the car, You're like,
well that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, well, thank god. You know that they do save
that stuff. I mean, it's it preserves the whatever it is,
and for guys like that are out there, you know,
doing the old stuff. And that guy still got Yeah
he probably won't be rid of it, but he still
got it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
No, he's gonna fix it one day, I know it.
As soon as that tree gets bigger, I'll have wood
to redo that bed.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, that's why we were growing the tree through the
rear tailgate and or you know, through the back of
the bed, because trees will grow right through a car
if it sits there long enough.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I've got so many pictures of trees growing through cars.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
At that kind of neat the average price of a
car from the most expensive ones down to the cheap
ones around has edged up. And this this number edges
up and edges down just a little bit, mostly edges
up obviously over a period of time. Is forty nine
seventy two. That's the average from your cheap o car
(34:48):
that gets forty miles a gallon to your Ferrari one
one way or the other. Up and down. Yeah, so
its edges. This number will fly. I look at it.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Because it's all it goes all over the place.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, it edges up a little bit of it edges
down a little bit, but it's always climbing and just
a little bit. That's that's a pretty big number.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That's a big number. It's a big number over I mean,
that's eight hundred dollars a month car payment.
Meet Bob. He's a four time tire rotation champion. When
he was a baby, his first words were automatic transmission fluid.
Bob's so cool he has engine coolant running through his veins.
And then there's Kyle, also known as Premium Unleaded. Legend
has it that Kyle can change your oil with his toes,
(00:22):
and that he can tell your tires ill pressure just.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
By how you're walking.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's Bob, He's Kyle, and every Saturday morning they morphed
together to form the greatest superhero known to man. Mister
Mechanic check engine lights, don't stand a chance. This is
the Mister Mechanic Show on eleven ten, kfab.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Great Saturday morning to Yeah, this is a mister Mechanic show.
Five five, eight, eleven ten is the numbers to get in,
Get in early. You've got some open lines for you.
It's an interactive callin show. You got some questions, We'll
give you some answer the top couple answers or help
you shoot you towards a car and to buy use
new you know whatever. Next to me is always is Kyle.
(01:07):
Good morning, Kyle. Yeah, to be another heat index day,
you know, kind of in the nineties, but you know
smoking at the end of the day. Yeah, the heat
index got to catch people in. I don't really get
the weather in that sense because I look at it
and they're.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Like, well, it's going to be eighty six, but it
feels like one hundred and ten. I was like, then
it's one hundred and ten.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, you know that's just dramatic, you know it The
feels like temperature is kind of like going outside. You know.
It's just I always look for when it's going to break.
Then I know I got one day left, two days left,
or I got a week left, and then that's how
I get to the goal. Otherwise it just puts you
down every time you got to go outside to work.
(01:49):
Oh gosh. So you know it's this hot weather is
kind of check your temperature gauge, make sure your er
freeze is full if it's make sure you've seen leaks
on the ground, because things that are plastic will break
in this kind of heat. Radiators Yep, thermostat housings now
(02:10):
are plastic, you know, and the thermostats come in the
plastic housing.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So everything's plastic, it is.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And if anybody and I know we've all done this,
if you've ever sat in a chair, a plastic chair
outside that's been sitting there for years, and next thing
you know, you're on the ground. There's the reason that
your plastic is breaking in the car.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I watched an entire YouTube video just about that scenario
you just described, like the other day. It's just plastic
chair disasters.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, yeah, and then it's it's all happening to your
car because it goes from you know, sixty degrees in
the morning or seventy or whatever to two hundred and
ten and then it goes it does that multiple times
a day for sixty eighty one hundred thousand miles. Oh yeah,
and it's just gonna go. And then the valve covers
are plastic, and those warp.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I had AMW this week and X three it's a
twenty eighteen and had a coolant leak. Well, it had
two coolant leaks essentially. One we got a few months ago.
And then you know, now the next weakest thing has
YEP ruptured. So it's a water outlet off the engine block.
(03:19):
You got to take the intake everything else off to
get to it. And I get to it and pressurize
the system, and I can see this thing just getting
wet and getting wet and getting wet.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I pull it off.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm like, well, it's got to be cracked. It was
seeping through the plastic. I couldn't see any noticeable crack.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh on a on a on a parting line or
a casting line, not casting in line.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But well, when I took this thing apart and you
look at the inside of it, the whole thing is spiderwebbed.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh yeah, kind of like a windshield. Yeah, it's leaking
through the cracks. And the deal and what Kyle was
talking about is that when you when we go, you know,
check a coolant leak, we're checking for you know, what's
ever leaking at this particular point, and you see what's
leaking and you repair that. The problem is with that,
with everything being plastic and have O rings around it
(04:08):
and everything. You used to have a gasket. Now everything's
kind of an O ring driven and every O ring
turns into a flat ring, and every flat ring leaks.
Oh yeah, so a lot of times the only way
you can repair this, if it's a big enough leak,
is you've got to go fix what you know is broke,
and then you move on to what could be next
and unfortunately, and unfortunately that's just kind of the way
(04:29):
it is. But a lot of times, and I'd probably
say seventy percent of the time there is nothing right away,
but there'll be something else that comes back out on
thirty percent of the time, almost immediately after your pressure
check it again, or you know, a week down the road,
a month down the road, six months down the road,
now something else is leaking because it's it's just it's
(04:52):
all got X amount of miles on it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Not only does it get you know, to two hundred
and twenty five two hundred and thirty degrees and then
down to an ambient temperature, but it also gets to
eighteen pounds of pressure and then pound to zero as
it cools. So you got pressure and heat involved, so
leaks are gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's trying to blow it apart. Yeah. I kind of
always wondered why we use big thin plastic and some
of these cheap cards that are out there have thin
plastic that's bolted to the cylinder head. Oh yeah, and
we all know that cylinder head gets with the thermostats
two hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, nothing about the design of these cooling systems is
made for longevity of these plastic pars.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Plenty of other places to put plastic on a car
other than maybe we throw some metal on the hottest parts. Yeah,
why haven't we come up with plastic exhaust manifolds yet? Kyle,
I'm waiting. Those things are heavy. Yeah, they're heavy, So
I mean we can't make it thick enough, or maybe
(05:52):
it's too thick.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Can you imagine the smell of that research and development lab.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Somebody's tried.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, that is tail piping missions Get go.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Somebody has tried in order to make exhaust manifolds plastic.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, it's been in a meeting talked about it, Like,
what are these here? Why are we still using these
twenty pound things?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yes, if we're thinking, we're talking about it, somebody thought
about it. All right, We're gonna hell over with Jason's.
Jason's got a fourteen Ford Raptor. Jason. What's up today?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Hey, guys, I appreciate your previous help on this truck. Sure,
I've been chasing down this stalling and dying issue. Now
I've turned around and cleaned the throttle body, mass airflow sensor,
checked all the wiring. I have not found any issue,
but since I've cleaned the throttle body. Now, previously the
throttle body has a resonator box on top of it
(06:47):
that's not the air and take box, but it's like
another box on top of that six two liter, and
it's got a female boot that theor a male boot
that goes inside of I'm sorry, the box is like
a female boot, and there's a boot that goes inside
on this body that was out from a previous mechanics work,
so half of it was sticking out, which caused it
to pull ambient air in for probably a year. Yeah,
(07:08):
and so I've chased that stuff down. All the research
I've done said it shouldn't hurt it that bad, but
the throttle body was nasty. Now I've cleaned everything, put
it all back together, and it hasn't officially died. But
every once in a while, sitting in park or in drive,
it'll shudder and drop down like it wants to die,
and then it'll rev back up and it's totally fine.
I haven't got it to die since, but it still
has those same symptomatic, sporadic problems.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I think that we're kind of onto something here.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, because you're pulling. You're pulling air in from a
spot that shouldn't be pulled air in. And I fixed that, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but that that air couldn't come past the mass airflow sensor.
That therefore the computer was wondering why there's unmetered air
coming in?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah. That, And I mean if your throttle plates were
that dirty and we cleaned them. Now now we're getting
the right amount of air through it. So now we're
dropping down, but we're not dropping down enough to die.
The engine can pull enough air to keep it running.
So we've done something for the good here. So now
(08:12):
I guess what I would do. Have you replaced a
throttle body on this see, that's.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
What I was going to ask you. Is there is
there any electronic parts in that throttle body? It's two
hundred and seven thousand miles. I have not replaced it,
but I've been having some suspicion about that.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So it's all electronic in there. So there's nothing you
can go in and replace pieces and parts.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's just replaced as a whole assembly.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But that mile is I think i'd want to anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, And have you do you have a scan tool
or anyway, is there like an actual because I know
Ford has what they call a keep a eye memory
reset that basically puts everything to factory one mile.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I can reset the codes. Yes, I have a an
access port. It's not a COB, but it's one i've Okay,
I basically had a tuner eliminate that. You know, Ford
does this thing where if you push the traction control off,
it's supposed to be off. Well, if you hold it down,
it says active track disabled. It's not actually disabled. If
you're going faster with the wheel speed of thirty miles
an hour, it will retard the wheel rear tires to
(09:20):
match the front wheel speed and almost kill you while
you're sliding around the corner in the snow that'll point
in the opposite direction. So I had a tuner just
basically make that button work. So that's what the only
team that I have on it is just to eliminate
that traction control system.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Okay, So I mean as far as clearing codes, I mean,
that's one thing, but there's more to it than that.
There's another level that we have to get to in
order to reset this memory, and it's all adaptive. Ford
is just for whatever reason stuck with this adaptive learn software.
(09:55):
So basically what I do. I mean, because we see
adaptive learns for a throttle body, idle relearn and it
covers fuel trims, fanol content a handful of other things.
But basically you go, and I mean it's pretty simple.
I mean, if you have a scan tool that's capable
you just for us. It's pretty simple. You just clear
(10:15):
the keep a eye memory. I can do that, and
then you've got to take it on the interstate. You know,
generally my test drive for a keep a eye memory
relearn is five miles including an interstate pass. So I
mean it's fairly simple to do. But that might be
an easy Hey, if you can do it.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Let's do this. I'll replace the throttle body and then
clear the codes and relearn it for a while and
see if we have any clear up and then if not,
I'll give.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You guys a call back.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
We'll be here.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Man, there you go. Appreciate you, you bet appreciate the call. Jason,
all right, we're gonna take a kick break in the
Mister Mechanics show five five, eight eleven ten. There's some
lines open for you see in a minute.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
He id then this is your.
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Speaker 2 (11:49):
So we're gonna over to Rick. Rick's got a six
gmc d sel. Rick, what's up today?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
My problem is that I headed into the It's once
overheat when I'm pulling something. But if it's just driving
down the highway, you know, run the AC it's fine.
I put a trailer behind and start pulling. It wants
to start over eight and I've had the radiator clean
to the dealership. I've changed the thermostads and I've also
changed fan clutch.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Hmmm, so you covered both of those things. So when
you say you had cleaning the radiator, so in between
the condenser and the radiator, you just had blown out
cleaned out.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Well, I'm assuming so like they took it to a
dealership and they said they cleaned it. So that's the
best I can answer that question.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Got it. Got it?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So I think before we go any further, we want
to verify that they didn't just hot flush the inside
the core of this radiator and that we actually got
any debris possibly out from in between there, because I mean,
it's going to be kind of sandwich together on this truck. Unfortunately,
it's hard to see, not going to be a ton
of room to really get an idea of what's in there,
(13:01):
So you may have to on a six, I think
you can take the grill out and kind of take
your condenser bolts out and then kind of move that
forward to kind of get in there. That would be
the first place that I'm going to go, just because
we don't know that it's been done yet, and I
mean that's something we can handle.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, yeah, but there's different It kind of pends so
sometimes so there's a couple of different ways that can
be done. Is that you can blow it out externally
a lot of times. Most of the time that's really
all it needs to be done. I have ran into
radiators in the past that have as you're driving down
the road, you get all sorts of sand and rocks
(13:43):
and debris and everything that that that plugs up the
inside of those fins, and you can't get that out
unless you pull the radiator completely out and blow through
it from the backside, you know, forward, You just can't
and yeah, yep, and a lot of dirt and debris,
and then all of a sudden it rains and then mud,
(14:04):
and then you get mud and then it drives up
and then so I don't doubt that they cleaned it out,
and probably did, and but sometimes we ran into one
of these one time on a ford that it was
full of sand, and he did not remember how and when,
but he did a lot of highway driving. So I'm
(14:25):
I'm so we finally pulled all this out. We could
see the boat, all half of this radiator just completely
packed with sand, and then once we cleaned it all out,
all the problem was gone. The next question is transmission wise,
I mean, you're you only have this when you're towing.
So everything seems good there you're putting in toe hall
mode and you know it's not. It's not stuck in
(14:47):
third gear for example. I just got to ask, okay,
so we're not revving anything up beyond where it needs
to be. That all looks normal, I know it.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
I mean I only had this truck this January, so
I'm pretty new to the diesels. But it has had
no issues as far as that goes yet.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So whenever time, anytime you add the air conditioner, that
adds another percentage on of how how tough it is
on the cooling system. But when you pull a trailer,
you're you're just adding it even more. And the fact
that it doesn't come out anymore beyond that, I mean,
that's just the first place to look at. I think
that's the first place for me. I'm going to the radiator.
I mean, if anything, I mean, you can I've had
(15:26):
cars where I just physically pulled the radiator out of
the car. Yeah, and that's kind of what we're.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I got my garden hose out, you put it in
the upper radiator hose. Do I have flow coming out
of the lower one? Is it good enough flow? Because
I mean if it's restricted of just enough, it could
cause this issue. Next, I'm going to look at the
debris in the face of the radiator. Can I see
through these fins or are they all smashed over and bent?
(15:51):
Things like that would be my first step. Because we
know we got a good thermostat. We know our engine
can run cool aside from you know, heavy use, so
we know it.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Don't cool very good either.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Sure, a lot of times when we when we pull
the radiator out, we'll you know, obviously flush it out
the inside just a little bit, and I'll hold it
up to the sunlight and and so that I can
see through that and having somebody on the other side
doesn't really get as good as you'd like to. Maybe
a shop light. You hold it up to the sun
and you move that thing around while you're looking through
(16:28):
it through the sun. You can see whether it's clean
or just how how much debris in there?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay, Yeah, Yeah, it sounds like mechanically you're working fine. Yeah,
we just got a it's either going to be a
flow issue or a flow issue, either airflow or coolant flow.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Pretty much.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's where we're at now.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, and I agree with Kyle, you know, your water
pump's obviously turning. I can't see that adding a trailer
to it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Would that's not going to affect water pump.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think. I think we're probably.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Flowing pretty good because normal driving we're doing.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, and even ninety five degree. He's not having problems.
So that's first place to start. Rick Og appreciate the call.
All right, we're gonna head over to Jason. Jason's got
a ninety nine two fifty Jason, what's up today?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah? Five to four triton. It's not firing on the
last half of the firing order. Put new coils on it.
It's a plow truck. It just sits. So I thought
maybe mice got into the harnets somewhere. But it's weird
because the way the firing order is, it's not just
(17:36):
one bank, you know, it's scattered. But it's just ironic
to me that it's the last half of the firing order.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, that is kind of interesting, like.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The computer is not mathing correctly.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Hmmm, So you got random myths for you got them
all got you got hard miss fires all over the place.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
No, it's consistent. It's consistent. It's six five eight six
four eight the last half.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Huh, that's interesting, I would agree. So I wonder if
we don't have a ground wire that goes to one
side of the harness or another.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So we got a two wire connector on this engine,
I mean each of these coils correct, Yes, Okay, so
we are going we know for a fact we're getting
no spark out of these, right.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah. I've actually put tapped in like a filament actual
ballb not an led like a filament ball, and the
first half flashes, the second half right at the plug
into the cop they don't flash.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's a great way to do that. That way you
can kind of see if it's triggering or not.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Okay, So we're testing that at the connector right, not
at the base of the coil.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
We're the connector plugs in the top of the.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, okay, so we're not getting any flashing. So from
now we got to figure out do we have a
signal issue or do we have a ground issue? Is
there ground at these connectors?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
No, no grounds buried. It's like super buried. Like I
pretty much have to take the break booster off. I
think tracing down the wiring diagram, and again, like I said,
it's a plow truck. It sits all the time, and
I just fired it up last season and the only
way I could get power to plow my driveway was
in four low to get it done in them. Okay,
(19:39):
So we're trying to get it ready for this coming season.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So we got to so number six looks like it's
pretty easy to get to, and we can pretty much say,
you know, hey, if it's happening on six, it's happening
on all the right at the other four. So we
should have at these coils, we should have a constant
power that's coming from and that's coming from a fuse.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Do we have constant power?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Okay, okay, So our trigger is our issue.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
So the trigger is on the ground right right.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
So what I would probably do if it was me,
is I'm going to go to the computer and I'm
going to find these signal wires.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
This is a ninety nine if to fifty that computer's inside?
Is it? It is?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It is under the So I bet you we know
under the kick panel on the left, under the e break.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is it full of water? It's full of water. That's
why you sure got Yeah, I've.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Pulled the computer out. Okay, it pens. All that look fine,
nothing's corroded.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Okay, Okay, So it's kind of a tough draw here
because being that it's half of it's taking out half
of our firing order. I mean, we are down to
a computer being an issue, or half of a reluctor
(21:03):
ring on a crank shaft is broken, and that's kind
of a that's kind of a tough draw for me.
I've seen missing teeth, you know, from mechanical repair and
stuff like that, and just obvious damage. But to be
missing half a firing order on a reluctor ring.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's kind of odd, but not out of the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Anything's possible, I mean, And it's kind of right down
there in the front of the timing cover. So I mean,
you might be able to convince me that there's a
bunch of sludge built up on it that's maybe drawing
a blank, but you're still breaking down a magnetic field
in order to make that happen. And I would think
that the crank sensor itself would knock this crud off
of there.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
But I mean, well, I just replace the crank sensor
the cam. I think I replaced one, but I guess
I didn't really think about there's probably a second one
buried down in there somewhere on the other side.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
It's possible.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Tight just a second, we've got to take it. We're
up against a hard break. I gotta take it, and
I'll be right back. We'll talk some more. Be back
in a minute, Jason, thanks for hanging on. We just
got to take those breaks. So okay.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So this is a fairly intense problem that you got
going on here with this truck, and it's a very
I've never seen it. I mean I've seen cylinders not firing,
of course, I mean I've seen a bunch of it.
But to knock out half a firing order.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Is true to me. Yes, So.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
One thing that seems like it's going into like a
default kind of limp.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Mode, not really, because any either way you slice it,
a default limp mode is still there to protect a
catalytic converter. And if you're knocking off four cylinders, you
got gas going down there. I mean, you're not protecting
a catalytic converter. So what we've got is an issue.
So off the top of my head, before I get involved,
(23:04):
like really deep and pulling wiring diagrams getting the scope out,
you know, spending some sweaty hours underneath this hood. Have
you tried disconnecting the battery and leaving it off for
ten minutes? I?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Uh, Like I said, it's a plow truck stays in
the shed. I always disconnect the battery. I actually have
a quick disconnect and I leave it on a trickle. Okay,
so it sits until I put the groundback on the
or the negative back on the battery. But I'll I
was just hoping you guys had AHA moment from your experience.
I'll let you guys go back to the easy fixes.
(23:40):
I just had one other question. So, like I said,
I was worried about mice to begin with. So would
this have anything to do with the knock sensor, because
the knock sensor is like buried in the valley underneath
the intake, and I haven't gotten as far as pulling
off the intake. Now would a knock sensor if mice
chewed up those wires.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
It'll sense, It'll send a code, but very rarely if
I've ever seen cause this problem.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
The one generally the NOC sensor will retard fuel. Yeah,
it's not going to want to cut out spark.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
The one thing that the aha moment that really comes
with this particular vehicle, because I have one in a
diesel version, is that the windshield. The reason we ask
you whether it was water in the computer is that
the windshield leaks on these things and it drips right down,
goes right onto a bracket and leaks right into the
computer on this thing, and depending on when you got
(24:35):
to it, it might already be dry, you know. But
I had a problem with our truck, and it was
an old one, but it just it's had the same thing.
It was leaking, and we finally figured out it had
a problem with the feuds box, and then it also
had a problem with the computer on a separate issue.
So that's kind of why we went that way with
the computer. I mean, you might look at it and
(24:57):
don't see anything specific on it, which is fine, I
mean that's that's the first place you want to look
for green wires and things that don't smell right or
look right. But something is I don't think you got
a reluctor problem because I don't think you got all
the you know, specific teeth that we're taken off.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's a way long ball to the left field. But yeah,
that test that you did out there at your coil connectors,
you can do that at your computer too. Yeah, you're
gonna have to get a wiring diagram and you're gonna
have to find which pin, and it's gonna be tough.
It's not my favorite thing to do, but to test
things at the computer gives you a bigger reach as
(25:35):
to what's happening and then your little go ahead.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Sorry interrupt, but I did test it at connector C
one O four three.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Fay and you have no signal coming out of there either.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah, it's it's right there in front of the timing cover. Yeah,
even from even from that harness, it's it's still only
flashing on the first or yeah, first time for the
firing order.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So let's go to the computer because I mean, we've
got a ball go into our firewall, right, that's an
opportunity for water to get in at that bullhet connector.
So if we go to our computer and we're firing
at our computer, we know we're going further out because
I mean we can get.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
To our No, no, no, I'm not. I was gonna say
like I'm not. I'm not getting anything out of any
pens I test out of the computer. Do you think
I just all the magic escaped out of the computer.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, you can't put it back in. The smoke goes out,
you can't get put it back in. I don't. Yeah,
you know, you've got to have an in and out.
That's kind of where we're going here. You've got to
have a signal in and it's got to turn around
and the signal goes back out. That's a very odd problem.
It just is. That's something that and.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I mean, if I were testing it, I mean anything
with ignition, we use a scope with and I can
plug into my crank sensor, I can look at the
pattern on the crank sensor. I can get online to
waveforms dot com and I can see this engine's waveform.
Does this look right? Okay? And then I go back
(27:08):
to my computer and I go to each individual. Yeah,
and I see what's in there? I mean, is it breaking?
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I understand I don't have a scope. I haven't gotten
that deep into it. But yeah, okay, well again I
was I'll let you guys get back to it. I
just was hoping maybe you would have an uha, oh yeah,
I've seen this before.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, yeah, not on that one.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Not on this one.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We will once you tell us you need to call
us back for sure, but uh, we want to know
because acquiring minds want to know for sure when you
solve it.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Deal.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Appreciate it. Thanks for colling, Jason. Yeah, there's you know,
I was thinking about that the other day. There's car
repair that you know. I would say eighty to eighty
five percent of the cars that come through our shopper
in and out in a day and maybe two depending
on trying to find parts. But there are some like
this one that turns into three, turns into a week,
(28:01):
you know, just because you're going down a rabbit hole
of something that's never I could do.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
A twelve hour show on Chrysler wiring. I get so
many Chrysler because it's always the odd balls, the two hundred's,
the Dodge Journey, all those kind of catch and release
cars I call them that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Just have they always get.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I have found problems in these cars, Like there was
one that came in. It wouldn't communicate with anything at all,
wouldn't the lights wouldn't even come out on the dash, nothing.
And I pull up the kick panel and there's one
little section of wire that's green on a communication circuit
that's going to the rear differential housing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, we're all we're loading too many things on one shot.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And it's tough. I mean when you get problems like
this where I mean, we know it's electrical, we know
where it's at. I mean, we've that's half the battle.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Between the front bumper and the rear bumper. It's always there.
So hard. Yeah, why is it so hard? It's only
you only got eighteen feet to deal with, really, and
in that forty seven miles worth of wire.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, you got enough wire to go to the moon
and back. Yeah, they get tough, and I mean it's
one of those things like if you don't deal with
wiring every day, especially on these modern cars, it's gonna
it's gonna fight.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah. I got a plow truck too, And every time
we take it, every time we put it away, everything's
ready to go. You know, say, okay, we got it
all fixed, it's ready to go. And I said, yeah,
well until until six months comes around, six eight months
comes aroun.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah then you got a new car. You got a
different car as.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, as soon as we pull it out and put
a battery in it and get it ready to go,
and now we got three more problems to fix. That's
why I always say let's let's start in October. So
we're ready to go for December.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And the floor, the hole in the floor is getting bigger.
We've moved from a license plate to a stop size.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick break in
the midd Mechanics show. Five, five, eight, eleven, tens numbers
to get in. We back in a minute. Keep cool
out there. It's gonna be another hot day today and tomorrow, Kyle.
We got the the first half of not the first
half a little bit past the first half of twenty five.
(30:17):
They got statistics out for who's sold the most so far,
and there's no surprising the top leaderboard, that's the f
one fifty top leaderboard. The GM truck is number two though,
and number three is the RAB four. I think that's
kind of switched. The RAF four was kind of before that.
So they've sold a lot. Most cars out there, they're sold.
(30:40):
Besides are the ore SUVs around the you know, everything
is kind of subs It's just kind of interesting stats.
GM is still number one in the you know, from
January to you know yesterday, as far as selling the
most vehicle toat is behind that, and then Ford's behind that. Okay,
(31:05):
so it's kind of interesting stats Also, as of twenty
twenty four, guess how many cars were sold globally tick
stab quick five thousand, five thousand. How about ninety million,
(31:27):
ninety million, ninety million cars were sold in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
So if you bought a car in twenty twenty four,
you need to send me a dollar, so thirty the
address here at the end of the show, thirty postage
will be paid on this dollar.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Thirty one million of those were China, okay, and China
really rolled out a ton of evs which aren't really
going at least in the United States are not going great.
But you know some of them are at the bottom
of the ocean. We did that store not too long ago.
Nineteen million is in the US and then Japan is
third there, but you still have ninety for the rest
(32:08):
of the world. How many cars are on Earth up
to a twenty twenty five and this is estimate, you know,
I mean obviously there's I mean on Earth. I don't
know if that I didn't look too much into this
stat I don't know if that's on Earth means shredded
and now it's sitting in other things or are they
just still around there?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Okay, but what's this number based.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
On how many cars are produced? Since they were going
It was one point sixty five billion. That seems low
to me, It does a little bit. Yeah, but they
can't they can't all be there. They have to be
shredded at some point.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, if you have a car, just send me a dollar.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Anyway, A billion cars somewhere around a billion, and they're
going off how many are produced.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That seems like a low number to me. I think
that because I mean, if you've driven through backwoods Nebraska,
there's car hoardes out there everywhere.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
They just can't throw them away.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, And then you go knock on the door and
ask to look at Oh, I'm gonna fix that up
one day.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, one day they may fix it up. Yeah, and
then that's just you never know. You might as well
create your own salvage art for parts of other things
that you have. That's kind of that's kind of farmer
mentality a little bit, only because you got the space. Yeah,
why should you haul it over for nine dollars? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
If you put these cars on here. You don't got
to mow it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, well that too, but you never know, and you
might need something. And there's a lot of times that
you go grab something off of an old car to
make something else work. God, hell that'll work. There you go,
it's right there.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I have been down this road with farmer after farmer
and over the years, and all the dry calls. I'm
just driving and I need to stop and talk to
this guy, and you get in the car, You're like,
well that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, well, thank god. You know that they do save
that stuff. I mean, it's it preserves the whatever it is,
and for guys like that are out there, you know,
doing the old stuff. And that guy still got Yeah
he probably won't be rid of it, but he still
got it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
No, he's gonna fix it one day, I know it.
As soon as that tree gets bigger, I'll have wood
to redo that bed.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, that's why we were growing the tree through the
rear tailgate and or you know, through the back of
the bed, because trees will grow right through a car
if it sits there long enough.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I've got so many pictures of trees growing through cars.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
At that kind of neat the average price of a
car from the most expensive ones down to the cheap
ones around has edged up. And this this number edges
up and edges down just a little bit, mostly edges
up obviously over a period of time. Is forty nine
seventy two. That's the average from your cheap o car
(34:48):
that gets forty miles a gallon to your Ferrari one
one way or the other. Up and down. Yeah, so
its edges. This number will fly. I look at it.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Because it's all it goes all over the place.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, it edges up a little bit of it edges
down a little bit, but it's always climbing and just
a little bit. That's that's a pretty big number.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That's a big number. It's a big number over I mean,
that's eight hundred dollars a month car payment.
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