Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)
This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show. On Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/@DtSR_Podcast On YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/
Episodes
TL;DR: If you've ever wondered what goes through the mind of a top-tier CISO, wonder no longer. This week's episode features Trey Ford talking a little nostalgia, and a little of what's on his mind as a CISO. Fantastic episode, shout out to BugCrowd for the episode.
Youtube video: https://youtube.com/live/uFl45Tb93gY?feature=share
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TL;DR: Let's talk, err, lament, Third Party Risk programs. Who has time for these, and is there any real value in identifying 3rd party risks? Or is it just all theater for the lawyers? Paul Farley joins Jim, James and Rafal to chop it up.
Dive in with us, and see what you think.
YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/Le23nkaybfE
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TL;DR: This week's episode is what happens when I go on vacation and have a little time to think. So here we go - let's talk about this Jaguar Land Rover was compromised and ransomware spread. The damage has been 'extensive' to the point where they stopped everything... are there any lessons here?
Links
- https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/20/jaguar-land-rover-hack-factories-cybersecurity-jlr
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TL;DR: This podcast features our friend Bo Birdwell who sits down with us to explain the ins and outs of the new DFARS CMMS update. Jim and Bo cover a lot of ground, and James and I are along for the ride asking questions.
Great episode if you're in the space, worrying about what this latest update means to you.
YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/0cl1S4f3g8E
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TL;DR: This week's returning guest is Doug Cavit, but this time he's here to talk about the Internet apocalypse. Partly driven by AI, but mostly we discuss automated content generation, bots, and consumption as we reach the conclusion that it's all coming crashing down... sooner than we'd like.
YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/tUJgdrh3ws8
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TL;DR: Michael Reichstein joins the pod this week to talk about "rock star CISOs" and those who trade equity for their souls. It's an interesting discussion but this one comes with a warning label: If you're easily offended, do not listen to this.
Michael's post that started this conversation: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mreichstein_cybersecurity-leadership-businessethics-activity-7361753110983135233-YSct
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TL;DR: This week's pod features our favorite former analyst Anton Chuvakin, and an AppSec OG Jeff Williams as we tackle the subject of AppSec's favorite new acronym - ADR. What is it? Why is it? Should it be? We answer all these questions and more, and laugh along the way a bit too.
YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/69xeGDoDYbU
Links
- Contrast's latest threat report (referenced in the show)
- An in-depth ADR Expla...
TL;DR: This week's returning guest is the man, the myth, the Alpaca farmer, Philippe Humeau of CrowdSec. Life comes at you fast, threats come at you faster. The good news is - defenses can keep up. Listen in, then go check out CrowdSec!
YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/7Xc99bXCfwQ
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TL;DR: This week's guest is Dr Sam Liles - who's been CISO'ing since most of us have been in the industry. Sam gets it, and he has some perspective on what's going on with all this market consolidation. What is it good for? He's got some things to say, and he's not shy about it.
YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/ROEA6z5Q-sk
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TL;DR: This week's show is a testament to surviving a week of Hacker Summer Camp out in Las Vegas. I have an interview with Ray Canzanese, Jr. (again, because y'all love him) and a bit of my take-away / rant from the week I spent out in the desert.
Enjoy, I hope you made it home safe and learned something. Good God it was hot.
YouTube Video: ( standby, waiting on me to edit )
Thanks again to my friends at Netskope!
** Early release, due to Black Hat Conference and RaffCon XVIII.
TL;DR: This episode is all about #RaffCon. Ever wanted to know what the heck it is? Well, Raffael Marty and I break it down, give you a little history, and reminisce. As we got into Black Hat week, this is the perfect precursor to #RaffCon XVIII.
YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/jwArV_EwuZc
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TL;DR: This is one of the most important episodes we've done on this podcast. The CISO and CIO have a complicated, dynamic, and often ugly relationship - but what should it be like? How can the two work together and evolve their roles together, for the benefit of everyone in the business? Larry Whiteside, Jr. ( Co-Founder and President at Confide) and Dennis McDonald ( Chief Information & Security Officer at Jack Henry ) l...
TL;DR: This week's conversation is all about the Customer Success team featuring Nick Puetz and Steve Dakhe. These guys have significant seat time building, operating, and perfecting the CSM role - and we're here to talk about it. What is a CSM? Why do they exist? And what is their role in customer engagement? Listen in, find out!
YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/lCen-1Vt_K8
TL;DR: This week we took a sit-down with serial entrepreneur, Will Gragido. Will has been a part of several innovative start-ups, and is now onto his next one. He's a product innovator with a pragmatic sense of what customers need, and he's here to give you the run-down of what drives him, what got him here, and things you should think about if you're thinking of setting off on your own.
YouTube video: https://youtube...
TL;DR: Did you miss us? Yes, we're back with Sam Masiello and we're talking about whatever is on his mind. Well ...there's geopolitics and Iranian hackers and frankly we need to talk about what it means for your security program.
Thanks for joining us, Sam!
YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/H-4ZktBIUDE
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TL;DR: This week's episode came from my (Rafal) brain. I've been reading far too much LinkedIn, and the "influencer" postings have been making me crazy. So, here we are. We talk through some of these posts, many of which are AI generated I think, and have a little fun with it. Call it...therapy.
YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/uZVfkge8bQE
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TL;DR: On this episode, part 4 of our AI series, we are once again joined by Raja Mukerji, Jeff Collins, and John Dickson to discuss what it means to think about security for AI. Is it something completely different? Is it something same-'ol? Or - is it a bit of both. And what aren't we thinking about when it comes to securing AI?
YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/vUJIOrX0kHc
TL;DR: This week I bring John Dickson back to join Jeff Collins and Raja Mukerji as we talk through the following:
- What can AI do, for cyber security, that we can't do with current tools?
- What is the model for incorporating AI into cybersecurity - are we replacing people? augmenting people? both? neither?
- Where is AI the strongest in these use-cases today, and where is the promise for 12 - 36 months out?
- What are the LIMITATIO...
TL;DR: This week John Dickson returns to go deeper down the AI rabbit hole with special guest Erik Bloch as we dive into a more technical explanation of AI, how this innovation differs from other similar concepts, previous tech innovations, and some of the commercial vs consumer use-cases where AI is best suited. It's a deeper discussion, and we will for sure have a part 3, and likely 4 coming soon.
YouTube video: https://youtu...
TL;DR: So - Artificial Intelligence (AI)...incomprehensible good, or catastrophic evil? Both? And what does that depend on? This episode is the start of a series wherein we explore the potential good or bad of AI, what the dependencies are. and what kinds of branches of discussion there could be. Join us as we discuss a generational topic, with some of our best guests starting with John Dickson.
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